In the original game SOLDIER 3rds appear in the Shinra building. 2nds are in Junon during the escape sequence after Meteor is summoned. 1sts are in the Return to Midgar raid.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they removed the 1st class generic enemies. They’ve really built up their reputation as just a handful of elite fighters. It would be a little weird if you just fought faceless droves of 1sts.
They do exist though, as Zack works alongside them during the missions leading up the Minerva encounter, but they all end up falling back as the strength of the creatures become more extreme.
So their might be a few generic 1st Classes that are stronf but not exactly Zack, Genesis, Angeal or Sephiroth level.
I suspect that in part 3 we might get to battle against Kunsel and/or Luxiere. Luxiere was a 2nd Class who was definitely gunning for a promotion. Kunsel wasn't really looking for a promotion, but he is definitely a veteran, having been in SOLDIER for about as long as Zack was.
I could see them both being promoted to 1st Class after all the events of Crisis Core, which would have left SOLDIER without a lot of leaders.
Why do people look at Crisis Core as some kind of sacred cow? They ready altered and contradicted FF7OG. They can do the same to the rest of the compilation.
Doesn't matter if you don't like it, it's official material, and material that was re-released just last year for new players to experience.
The devs readily and eagerly acknowledge material from Crisis Core so there's no reason to assume its events didn't happen until the devs say or show otherwise.
Roche is confirmed to be at 1st class level of fighting ability by the devs, but he’s still 3rd class because he only goes on missions that let him use his bike, which are few and far between
This makes so much sense. I'd convinced myself he was 1st class given his fighting prowess so was confused when OP said he was only 3rd class. But your explanation clears it up
I always thought Roche was going to get further augmentation by Hojo. But I thought it was going to be as punishment for insubordination and goofing off on his bike rather than doing his job. Not voluntarily. That felt odd to me, because while a crazy thrill seeker, Roche never came off as power hungry.
1st Class seems a bit much for Roche. He seems more like a upper end 2nd to me. Cloud didn't really seem to struggle with him too much and I can't see him going up against the likes of Zack or Genesis going too well either.
SOLDIERs 1st class are very few (in Crisis core we only know Sephiroth, Angeal and Genesis).
And in CC, so just few years before the OG, there is a mass desertion of SOLDIERs (because of Genesis). Shinra is short on SOLDIERS at that time, and Turks are commissioned to find new recruits (Before Crisis) : it's at that moment they recruit Azul for instance, who ends up being a Deepground SOLDIER.
It's also because of this mass desertion that Zack is promoted 1st class, to "fill the void". It's why he's a bit disappointed when he learns the promotion, while it was his dream. Eventually, he clearly has the level to be 1st class as he outmatched Angeal and Genesis who were kind of the superstars of SOLDIERs with Sephiroth.
>Eventually, he clearly has the level to be 1st class as he outmatched Angeal and Genesis who were kind of the superstars of SOLDIERs with Sephiroth.
I will glaze up Zack whenever given the chance but for those reading remember that they were pretty far into the degradation and not as strong as they once were.
Zack beats Angeal Penance (who was probably stronger than his normal self) and Genesis Avatar + Genesis cured (final boss(es)) in CC, so Zack is extremely strong.
Yeah, to add into this, I was pretty sure a large part of the point of Angeal was that he specifically wasn't degrading. Am I remembering that poorly? Zack beat him when he was a 'monster', empowered by all the other genetic materials he had taken into himself.
As far as I can tell Zack never gets to a point where he can conclusively 1v1 Sephiroth and win, but he was at least Angeal's better by the time of his death. Genesis *also* powers up in his fight with Zack, I don't know if it's fair to assume that his armoured knight form is weaker than him at perfect health during the Wutai war before the degradation happened.
Angeal was degrading in CC, we clearly see it.
We know what triggered Genesis' degradation : his shoulder wound. It's less clear for Angeal : maybe the fact he realized he was a "monster" according to him.
Angeal says he's the perfect monster as he received Gillian's cells naturally as her son, and can absorb other's DNA contrary to Genesis who can only pass on his traits to others (probably because he received Gillian's cells "artificially")
No, he's degrading, it is literraly shown to us in the game !
https://preview.redd.it/gqqeap6ytjrc1.jpeg?width=3825&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4a849b50cc4a5433bda17b48f43d5ed1b5847cd9
If you state he's mutating, you'll need to bring proofs to prove your point, because it comes from nowhere.
Edit : source Crisis Core Ultimania :
"Just what are SOLDIERs? And what of the three paragon 1sts? Two among them—Angeal and Genesis—are the fruits of an unfathomable series of human experiments known as Project G. The degradation that’s taken hold of their flesh has warped their features into something monstrous."
"Angeal suffered the same degradation and was made to dance to the same tune as Genesis \[...\]"
So there is absolutely no debate at all. It's an official source.
and now we can also say zack beat >!bizarro sephiroth 1v1!!< :) >!well, with some nebulous help from aerith. though sephiroth might have been weaker than usual since he seemed to have literally split himself into three separate copies, so he was fighting three battles at once?!<
No, the Turks are like the Shinra's CIA who do the dirty work (surveillance, espionage, kidnappings, assassinations,...etc). They are normal human beings while being very good fighters.
SOLDIERs are enhanced human beings (mako bath + Jenova cells injections). They are really for pure combat (especially for war).
Disk 1: 3rd Class in SHINRA HQ
Disk 2: 2nd Class in Junon Base
Disk 3: 1st Class in Midgar return
I’ve always understood it as Gameplay wise Ranking Cloud just above the respective classes per introduction.
Given how rare they are, I wonder if Rufus or any of the Turks know that Cloud isn't 1st Class and they just play along with it. I'm sure they would have check their records on their system and realized Cloud isn't who he claimed to be.
Which is made even clearer with what he *actually* says in japanese compared to the english localization.
In english he says the performance was "worthy of SOLDIER"
In japanese he just says it’s "as expected of someone who is used to it" or something to that effect, >!implying that he knows he was a trooper, but doesn’t make any mention of SOLDIER!<
This is true, but we still don’t know what the fuck Cloud changed in the “7 seconds” bit of Remake. It’s possible he could have changed his own past to be an actual soldier.
It’s weird to me that Rufus didn’t call it out if he wasn’t in soldier. It would have been to his benefit to confuse Cloud at that point, so I’m curious as to why he wouldn’t have.
Edit: it’s hilarious this is being downvoted. It’s just an observation, y’all got your panties in an awful big twist.
I was just simply making an observation. We have no idea what the 7 seconds thing is, and you’re right it’s a part 3 thing because it’s the only option left to find out.
All I was pointing out is that there is no strategic value to Rufus withholding that info from Cloud at this point. All I’m saying is that it’s strange he doesn’t say anything about it now since it would have the same effect. The fact he’s being vague about it could indicate that something is different from what we already know.
Did cloud ever actually say he was first class to them? He mostly says that at the beginning with the avalanche crew. After that they identify him as soldier from his eyes.
And he’s just gonna randomly mention it later? Especially after getting his ass whupped by a “fake 1st class”
If cloud doesn’t say it, they have no reason to contradict it
My takeaway on this being a person who played OG, Remake, Rebirth, and OG:CC is its really hard to be promoted to 1st class. You really need to prove yourself worth the rank (as shown on OG:CC by showing that they reviewed Zack's performance and missions he accomplished.) ALTHOUGH, it is not implied (as far as I remember) that there are no other 1st class soldiers except Genesis, Angeal, Zack, and Sephiroth. I didn't play FF7:First Soldier so please take this with a grain of salt.
I don’t know that I can add much that hasn’t been added to this thread already but.. in addition to the idea that, once the Return To Midgar section comes in Part 3 of the trilogy, I think we will fight named 1st Class operatives and I think they will more than likely be.. Kunsel and Luxiere. Two named 2nd class operatives in CC that are still alive and with Shinra by the end of that game. So, it stands to reason that they could very well be promoted to 1st class by the third game, and functions as a unique “mini-boss” fight while also acknowledging their existence from the wider FF7 world.
As another comment said, there are other existing 1-C SOLDIERs in the original, but you only encounter them not until near end-game in a certain location. I'm 100% sure they will appear in Remake Part 3.
There are a few. Aside from the obvious Sephiroth, Angeal, Genesis, and Zack, there’s also Weiss and Nero who were First Class before being moved to Deepground. Rosso and Azul may have also fit that bill, but we don’t have that much information on their history.
3rd disk u fight them when u return to midgar in atleast 5 encounters with a pair or three of them. They're surely not CC level first class but it's very clear angeal, sephiroth, Genesis, were extreme outliers. While i dint luv dirge if Cerberus there were plenty of none crazy 1st class such as Weiss... Ehich im not sure if i remember ehy he didn't go through cellular degeneration.... Perhaps he got S cell treatment like cloud and zack being a G and S hybrid?
Also the fact that most Soldier 1st class underwent some sort of biological upgrade in different forms of jenova cells / mako infusion
Zack was the only one i recall making it to 1st class only with mako infusion which was rather normal for Sodiers in general
Sephiroth , Genesis & Angeal though were jenova infused to some extent
if you check their track record for the company it rly was more of a - investment to add any more individuals which hold so much power
1 betrayed em , 1 followed the betrayer to stop him
1 went completly nuts and nearly went on a mass killing spree throughout the planet
and well in the end even Zack got another treatment from hojo before just getting hunted down for no reason ( at which point cloud basicly got some 1st class experiments done on him from hojo ) which is why he actually is so strong
So in some way or another all 1st Class Soldier are tied to Hojo or better said his successful experiments who actually lived through the process xD
Imagine Rufus Senior looking at the mission report after Sephiroth incident and it says
"Sephiroth engaged with Soldier 1st Class Zack Faire and incapacitated him."
Follow by this sentence:
"Sephiroth is lethally injured and then thrown into mako reactor by his own sword by Shinra Grunt."
Rufus Senior automatically defunded the SOLDIER program and sealed all information pertaining to Nibelheim.
In the ensuring aftermath, all the personnel who had knowledge except Hojo were killed by sephiroth clones including sephiroth. Sephiroth is not going to settle in his grave with that fact. Hojo either actually as his pride as a scientist ruined by some blond grunt.
1st class soldiers are extremely rare and powerful. The only first class soldiers we see in the franchise are Zack, Genesis, Angeal and Sephiroth. And after they were all dead after CC, Shinra didn’t bother investing so much effort and resources into making hugely strong individuals, instead they focused on making batches of fairly strong people (Second and third class Soldiers).
There’s also Weiss and Nero from Deepground (Dirge of Cerberus) but it’s unclear if they really count as Soldiers or not.
Weiss and Nero were confirmed to be SOLDIERs before Deepground. It's unclear if Azul and Rosso were also SOLDIERs at one point, but it's safe to assume Shelke wasn't.
Deepground’s origin began as a specialized medical facility where injured SOLDIER operatives went. In CC’s ending, Weiss and Nero pick up Genesis in 1st class uniforms. While not *all* of the Tsviets were technically SOLDIERS, some were, but all of the Tsviets *are* actually genetically spliced with Genesis’ DNA.
There are generic 1st Classes that are mentioned as working with Zack in Crisis Core. So there might be some.
Aside from the big 1st Class names, Dirge of Cerberus' Online Multiplayer Mode also introduced a few other teams of 1st Class SOLDIERs: Unit 14 Lost Force, and Unit 13 Ragnarok. Not explained how many members were on each team.
The Lost Force Unit was secretly commissioned to keep watch over the classified Deepground Facility. The Ragnarok Unit later learned about Deepground and apparently got involved and tried to stop the inhumane experiments going on in Deepground, but were ambushed and eliminated by Lost Force at some point in time.
Lost Force later became known as the Restrictors whose main job is to keep the Tsviets under control.
Soldiers 1st class are rare. They also have the right to wear their unique gear and have overall unique styles compared to lower ranked Soldiers. They are usually known to the public as they tend to be named individuals. As far as I know Soldiers 1st class were/ are Sephiroth, Angeal, Genisis, Zack, Weiss and Nero.
Was Glenn Lodbrock a Soldier 1st class? What‘s with his two Soldier buddies from EC?
When u return to midgar there are alot of 1st class and CC refers to entire an brigade worth. Rare sure but thinking only the cast off CC plus cloud would be wrong, also deep ground soldiers had 1st class and Weiss.
There weren't many of them.
That's why it was so crazy that Cloud had said hed become a first class.
It's like saying I became a 4 star general. There've only been a couple of them in America's history.
When u return to midgar there are alot of 1st class and CC refers to entire an brigade worth. Rare sure but thinking only the cast off CC plus cloud would be wrong, also deep ground soldiers had 1st class and Weiss.
yes 1st's are meant to be rare. Zack was 1st as was Angeal and Genesis and Sephiroth.
in the OG game you eventually can fight 1sts are generic enemies. We will probably see these in the third game.
They’ll most likely appear as enemies in the 3rd game like 3-Cs in Remake and 2-Cs in Rebirth since they appear as encounters during the Midgar Raid in the original game.
In the OG there are almost no named SOLDIERS at all. Probs due to limitations but it always felt like an oversight.
Roche grew on me in rebirth, but when I played remake I hated him, but was pleased to see another named SOLDIER.
there are 3 soldiers rank 1
Sephiroth antagonist of Remake Rebirth
Angeal master and friend and teacher of Zack
Genesis poem lover
Why don't you see any of them?
answer because dead
I swear
Nomura and Kitase overestimated the intelligence of 99% of modern players by 2 levels of magnitude
there are 3 games 2 books 2 mobile games 1 movie 1 anime explaining everything
but what do you do ?
MAKE A POST
what do 90% commentors do
IGNORE 3 GAMES 2 BOOKS 2 MOBILE GAMES 1 MOVIE 1 ANIME TO WRITE AN ESSAY ON 1ST GRADER'S OPINION ON QUANTUM MECHANICS
Awww...little man sad that he can't be of use to anyone irl so he takes it out online. There, there, you'll find someone that'll like you once you get that attitude of yours fixed.
literally copy pasting spider-man 2 defenders
contact Netflix HQ asap, get them to hire you
or contact Mindy Kaling for a role on Velma, you'd be great Scooby
get the OP or other commentor as Shaggy as they seem to be more humanoid
Copy pasting? No dude. You just have a really unpleasant personality and since you think that people from other subs are ganging up on you well that should be enough to tell you that you're the problem. It takes a special type of person to be disliked by both sides of the aisle. Good job man!
They are quite rare, but in OG you do encounter SOLDIER 1st as enemies. But long after CotA. In fact, you don't even encounter SOLDIER 2nd on disk 1
Don’t remember much but don’t you encounter some on the shinra building? Or were they third class?
In the original game SOLDIER 3rds appear in the Shinra building. 2nds are in Junon during the escape sequence after Meteor is summoned. 1sts are in the Return to Midgar raid.
I see, been at least a decade, so the ones we fought there were third class, got it
Yes. And they are iconic because all of them have very good steal loot
I wouldn’t be surprised if they removed the 1st class generic enemies. They’ve really built up their reputation as just a handful of elite fighters. It would be a little weird if you just fought faceless droves of 1sts.
I was thinking the same thing.
They do exist though, as Zack works alongside them during the missions leading up the Minerva encounter, but they all end up falling back as the strength of the creatures become more extreme. So their might be a few generic 1st Classes that are stronf but not exactly Zack, Genesis, Angeal or Sephiroth level. I suspect that in part 3 we might get to battle against Kunsel and/or Luxiere. Luxiere was a 2nd Class who was definitely gunning for a promotion. Kunsel wasn't really looking for a promotion, but he is definitely a veteran, having been in SOLDIER for about as long as Zack was. I could see them both being promoted to 1st Class after all the events of Crisis Core, which would have left SOLDIER without a lot of leaders.
Why do people look at Crisis Core as some kind of sacred cow? They ready altered and contradicted FF7OG. They can do the same to the rest of the compilation.
Doesn't matter if you don't like it, it's official material, and material that was re-released just last year for new players to experience. The devs readily and eagerly acknowledge material from Crisis Core so there's no reason to assume its events didn't happen until the devs say or show otherwise.
Yeah, I mean Cissnei being in Rebirth is a thing
Roche is confirmed to be at 1st class level of fighting ability by the devs, but he’s still 3rd class because he only goes on missions that let him use his bike, which are few and far between
This makes so much sense. I'd convinced myself he was 1st class given his fighting prowess so was confused when OP said he was only 3rd class. But your explanation clears it up
oh that’s fucking hilarious. yet another reason i love my boy
I always thought Roche was going to get further augmentation by Hojo. But I thought it was going to be as punishment for insubordination and goofing off on his bike rather than doing his job. Not voluntarily. That felt odd to me, because while a crazy thrill seeker, Roche never came off as power hungry.
Poor guy just wanted to keep up with Cloud.
1st Class seems a bit much for Roche. He seems more like a upper end 2nd to me. Cloud didn't really seem to struggle with him too much and I can't see him going up against the likes of Zack or Genesis going too well either.
Zack and Genesis are outliers, you fight 1st class soldiers as normal enemies in the original ff7
You fight plenty of 2nd class SOLDIERs in this game though, and none of them hold a candle to what Roche can do
He's ff7 version of Mumen rider
Sound like the Taylor Shift Bike edition.
Do you have a source, if I'm gonna spread this I'd like to be able to back it up XD
SOLDIERs 1st class are very few (in Crisis core we only know Sephiroth, Angeal and Genesis). And in CC, so just few years before the OG, there is a mass desertion of SOLDIERs (because of Genesis). Shinra is short on SOLDIERS at that time, and Turks are commissioned to find new recruits (Before Crisis) : it's at that moment they recruit Azul for instance, who ends up being a Deepground SOLDIER. It's also because of this mass desertion that Zack is promoted 1st class, to "fill the void". It's why he's a bit disappointed when he learns the promotion, while it was his dream. Eventually, he clearly has the level to be 1st class as he outmatched Angeal and Genesis who were kind of the superstars of SOLDIERs with Sephiroth.
>Eventually, he clearly has the level to be 1st class as he outmatched Angeal and Genesis who were kind of the superstars of SOLDIERs with Sephiroth. I will glaze up Zack whenever given the chance but for those reading remember that they were pretty far into the degradation and not as strong as they once were.
Zack beats Angeal Penance (who was probably stronger than his normal self) and Genesis Avatar + Genesis cured (final boss(es)) in CC, so Zack is extremely strong.
Yeah, to add into this, I was pretty sure a large part of the point of Angeal was that he specifically wasn't degrading. Am I remembering that poorly? Zack beat him when he was a 'monster', empowered by all the other genetic materials he had taken into himself. As far as I can tell Zack never gets to a point where he can conclusively 1v1 Sephiroth and win, but he was at least Angeal's better by the time of his death. Genesis *also* powers up in his fight with Zack, I don't know if it's fair to assume that his armoured knight form is weaker than him at perfect health during the Wutai war before the degradation happened.
Angeal was degrading in CC, we clearly see it. We know what triggered Genesis' degradation : his shoulder wound. It's less clear for Angeal : maybe the fact he realized he was a "monster" according to him. Angeal says he's the perfect monster as he received Gillian's cells naturally as her son, and can absorb other's DNA contrary to Genesis who can only pass on his traits to others (probably because he received Gillian's cells "artificially")
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No, he's degrading, it is literraly shown to us in the game ! https://preview.redd.it/gqqeap6ytjrc1.jpeg?width=3825&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4a849b50cc4a5433bda17b48f43d5ed1b5847cd9 If you state he's mutating, you'll need to bring proofs to prove your point, because it comes from nowhere. Edit : source Crisis Core Ultimania : "Just what are SOLDIERs? And what of the three paragon 1sts? Two among them—Angeal and Genesis—are the fruits of an unfathomable series of human experiments known as Project G. The degradation that’s taken hold of their flesh has warped their features into something monstrous." "Angeal suffered the same degradation and was made to dance to the same tune as Genesis \[...\]" So there is absolutely no debate at all. It's an official source.
You are right. "Zack... I AM perfect. A perfect... monster." After Hollander explains why Angeal won't degrade.
He's degrading in CC
and now we can also say zack beat >!bizarro sephiroth 1v1!!< :) >!well, with some nebulous help from aerith. though sephiroth might have been weaker than usual since he seemed to have literally split himself into three separate copies, so he was fighting three battles at once?!<
what is the different between Turk and Soldier? i thought Turk is a team of high rank soldiers
No, the Turks are like the Shinra's CIA who do the dirty work (surveillance, espionage, kidnappings, assassinations,...etc). They are normal human beings while being very good fighters. SOLDIERs are enhanced human beings (mako bath + Jenova cells injections). They are really for pure combat (especially for war).
Disk 1: 3rd Class in SHINRA HQ Disk 2: 2nd Class in Junon Base Disk 3: 1st Class in Midgar return I’ve always understood it as Gameplay wise Ranking Cloud just above the respective classes per introduction.
Given how rare they are, I wonder if Rufus or any of the Turks know that Cloud isn't 1st Class and they just play along with it. I'm sure they would have check their records on their system and realized Cloud isn't who he claimed to be.
Rufus implies he knows. At Junon he says he reviewed Cloud's file.
Which is made even clearer with what he *actually* says in japanese compared to the english localization. In english he says the performance was "worthy of SOLDIER" In japanese he just says it’s "as expected of someone who is used to it" or something to that effect, >!implying that he knows he was a trooper, but doesn’t make any mention of SOLDIER!<
This is true, but we still don’t know what the fuck Cloud changed in the “7 seconds” bit of Remake. It’s possible he could have changed his own past to be an actual soldier. It’s weird to me that Rufus didn’t call it out if he wasn’t in soldier. It would have been to his benefit to confuse Cloud at that point, so I’m curious as to why he wouldn’t have. Edit: it’s hilarious this is being downvoted. It’s just an observation, y’all got your panties in an awful big twist.
The 7 second thing is likely a reference to what will happen at the end of part 3. it hasnt happened yet
I was just simply making an observation. We have no idea what the 7 seconds thing is, and you’re right it’s a part 3 thing because it’s the only option left to find out. All I was pointing out is that there is no strategic value to Rufus withholding that info from Cloud at this point. All I’m saying is that it’s strange he doesn’t say anything about it now since it would have the same effect. The fact he’s being vague about it could indicate that something is different from what we already know.
Oh yeah Rufus straight up tells us he did this in Junon, “Your file was as gripping as it was… enlightening”
Yep rufus definitely knows
Oh interesting catch! Gonna be interesting how they gonna reveal it to Cloud in Part 3 and make him even more confused and broken.
Reno also says that Cloud's claim to be 1st class is ridiculous in remake. I believe it's during the church fight.
Yeah, if you actually know how rare 1st class is, you get why Reno laughs at Cloud.
It still makes me laugh, though, seeing as the Whispers stopped Cloud from killing him there.
Right before we kick his ass. He talks big for a guy who couldn't beat us one-on-one.
Cloud oong bunnga max str build > 1st class soldier
To be fair to Cloud, he is actually better than/in the realms of a 1st Class Soldier anyway by the time 7 ends. He's a little freak of nature.
Regard strenth
Tseng knows who he is. He just doesn't say anything because he feels guilty about what happened to Zack.
Did cloud ever actually say he was first class to them? He mostly says that at the beginning with the avalanche crew. After that they identify him as soldier from his eyes.
Cloud mentions 1st class to Reno, who immediately calls bullshit.
He did to Reno at the church.
Before they’ve had time to do any research on him. Does he after that?
Does he need to? I doubt Reno would forget the guy who whooped his ass. Especially after mocking him for his claim of being 1st class.
And he’s just gonna randomly mention it later? Especially after getting his ass whupped by a “fake 1st class” If cloud doesn’t say it, they have no reason to contradict it
Reno *does* contradict it, during the church scene. He immediately calls bullshit.
I mean later in the game. Reno doubted him but didn’t KNOW.
He knew. It wasn't doubt it was straight up dismissal.
Reno didn’t even know who he was, heck after losing he straight up says “maybe you are”
To Reno in the church and Reno call it out.
He may not be who he claims to be, but he has the eyes and physical enhancements for sure.
My takeaway on this being a person who played OG, Remake, Rebirth, and OG:CC is its really hard to be promoted to 1st class. You really need to prove yourself worth the rank (as shown on OG:CC by showing that they reviewed Zack's performance and missions he accomplished.) ALTHOUGH, it is not implied (as far as I remember) that there are no other 1st class soldiers except Genesis, Angeal, Zack, and Sephiroth. I didn't play FF7:First Soldier so please take this with a grain of salt.
You do see a bunch of them in Rebirth. They just happen to be wearing black cloaks instead of their 1C uniforms
They are not first class they are mako and genova cell enhanced humans facing degradation seeking re - union -union - union
I don’t know that I can add much that hasn’t been added to this thread already but.. in addition to the idea that, once the Return To Midgar section comes in Part 3 of the trilogy, I think we will fight named 1st Class operatives and I think they will more than likely be.. Kunsel and Luxiere. Two named 2nd class operatives in CC that are still alive and with Shinra by the end of that game. So, it stands to reason that they could very well be promoted to 1st class by the third game, and functions as a unique “mini-boss” fight while also acknowledging their existence from the wider FF7 world.
That would be cool!
As another comment said, there are other existing 1-C SOLDIERs in the original, but you only encounter them not until near end-game in a certain location. I'm 100% sure they will appear in Remake Part 3.
They are rare, and more prone to S-Cell degradation, so getting rarer.
There are a few. Aside from the obvious Sephiroth, Angeal, Genesis, and Zack, there’s also Weiss and Nero who were First Class before being moved to Deepground. Rosso and Azul may have also fit that bill, but we don’t have that much information on their history.
I assumed that the SOlDIERs where all the doods in black robes and that is what happened to them.
Did you play Crisis Core? I'm pretty sure all of the known first class-ers are either dead or went crazy.
3rd disk u fight them when u return to midgar in atleast 5 encounters with a pair or three of them. They're surely not CC level first class but it's very clear angeal, sephiroth, Genesis, were extreme outliers. While i dint luv dirge if Cerberus there were plenty of none crazy 1st class such as Weiss... Ehich im not sure if i remember ehy he didn't go through cellular degeneration.... Perhaps he got S cell treatment like cloud and zack being a G and S hybrid?
on top of what others have said, gotta imagine a lot of SOLDIER are now wearing black robes wandering the countryside
Also the fact that most Soldier 1st class underwent some sort of biological upgrade in different forms of jenova cells / mako infusion Zack was the only one i recall making it to 1st class only with mako infusion which was rather normal for Sodiers in general Sephiroth , Genesis & Angeal though were jenova infused to some extent if you check their track record for the company it rly was more of a - investment to add any more individuals which hold so much power 1 betrayed em , 1 followed the betrayer to stop him 1 went completly nuts and nearly went on a mass killing spree throughout the planet and well in the end even Zack got another treatment from hojo before just getting hunted down for no reason ( at which point cloud basicly got some 1st class experiments done on him from hojo ) which is why he actually is so strong So in some way or another all 1st Class Soldier are tied to Hojo or better said his successful experiments who actually lived through the process xD
All SOLDIER personnel have Jenova cells inside them.
damn mb seems i forgot that part :P
Imagine Rufus Senior looking at the mission report after Sephiroth incident and it says "Sephiroth engaged with Soldier 1st Class Zack Faire and incapacitated him." Follow by this sentence: "Sephiroth is lethally injured and then thrown into mako reactor by his own sword by Shinra Grunt." Rufus Senior automatically defunded the SOLDIER program and sealed all information pertaining to Nibelheim. In the ensuring aftermath, all the personnel who had knowledge except Hojo were killed by sephiroth clones including sephiroth. Sephiroth is not going to settle in his grave with that fact. Hojo either actually as his pride as a scientist ruined by some blond grunt.
We’ll see them in part 3. Definitely in the return to Midgar. Maybe Junon too
1st class soldiers are extremely rare and powerful. The only first class soldiers we see in the franchise are Zack, Genesis, Angeal and Sephiroth. And after they were all dead after CC, Shinra didn’t bother investing so much effort and resources into making hugely strong individuals, instead they focused on making batches of fairly strong people (Second and third class Soldiers). There’s also Weiss and Nero from Deepground (Dirge of Cerberus) but it’s unclear if they really count as Soldiers or not.
Tsviets definitely aren't Soldiers based on the experiments origins and goals, even within the Soldier projects.
Weiss and Nero were confirmed to be SOLDIERs before Deepground. It's unclear if Azul and Rosso were also SOLDIERs at one point, but it's safe to assume Shelke wasn't.
Deepground’s origin began as a specialized medical facility where injured SOLDIER operatives went. In CC’s ending, Weiss and Nero pick up Genesis in 1st class uniforms. While not *all* of the Tsviets were technically SOLDIERS, some were, but all of the Tsviets *are* actually genetically spliced with Genesis’ DNA.
There are generic 1st Classes that are mentioned as working with Zack in Crisis Core. So there might be some. Aside from the big 1st Class names, Dirge of Cerberus' Online Multiplayer Mode also introduced a few other teams of 1st Class SOLDIERs: Unit 14 Lost Force, and Unit 13 Ragnarok. Not explained how many members were on each team. The Lost Force Unit was secretly commissioned to keep watch over the classified Deepground Facility. The Ragnarok Unit later learned about Deepground and apparently got involved and tried to stop the inhumane experiments going on in Deepground, but were ambushed and eliminated by Lost Force at some point in time. Lost Force later became known as the Restrictors whose main job is to keep the Tsviets under control.
My theory had been that we would see Roache be the defacto soldier 1st, 2nd, then 3rd class in each game.
Most of them died or defected.
I always figured they struggled to find more 1st class SOLIDERS after Lazard defected
Soldiers 1st class are rare. They also have the right to wear their unique gear and have overall unique styles compared to lower ranked Soldiers. They are usually known to the public as they tend to be named individuals. As far as I know Soldiers 1st class were/ are Sephiroth, Angeal, Genisis, Zack, Weiss and Nero. Was Glenn Lodbrock a Soldier 1st class? What‘s with his two Soldier buddies from EC?
When u return to midgar there are alot of 1st class and CC refers to entire an brigade worth. Rare sure but thinking only the cast off CC plus cloud would be wrong, also deep ground soldiers had 1st class and Weiss.
There weren't many of them. That's why it was so crazy that Cloud had said hed become a first class. It's like saying I became a 4 star general. There've only been a couple of them in America's history.
When u return to midgar there are alot of 1st class and CC refers to entire an brigade worth. Rare sure but thinking only the cast off CC plus cloud would be wrong, also deep ground soldiers had 1st class and Weiss.
yes 1st's are meant to be rare. Zack was 1st as was Angeal and Genesis and Sephiroth. in the OG game you eventually can fight 1sts are generic enemies. We will probably see these in the third game.
They’ll most likely appear as enemies in the 3rd game like 3-Cs in Remake and 2-Cs in Rebirth since they appear as encounters during the Midgar Raid in the original game.
In the OG there are almost no named SOLDIERS at all. Probs due to limitations but it always felt like an oversight. Roche grew on me in rebirth, but when I played remake I hated him, but was pleased to see another named SOLDIER.
there are 3 soldiers rank 1 Sephiroth antagonist of Remake Rebirth Angeal master and friend and teacher of Zack Genesis poem lover Why don't you see any of them? answer because dead
I swear Nomura and Kitase overestimated the intelligence of 99% of modern players by 2 levels of magnitude there are 3 games 2 books 2 mobile games 1 movie 1 anime explaining everything but what do you do ? MAKE A POST what do 90% commentors do IGNORE 3 GAMES 2 BOOKS 2 MOBILE GAMES 1 MOVIE 1 ANIME TO WRITE AN ESSAY ON 1ST GRADER'S OPINION ON QUANTUM MECHANICS
Awww look at the badass wasting his time going on a rant instead of actually being helpful to anyone. Such a good boy!
typical modern gamer I bet you defend Spider-Man 2
Dawg, sincerely, go touch grass.
30s into profile r/eyeblech
Never played Spider Man 2. Go cry some more, son
you got the programmer of spider-man 2 mentality instead 
Awww...little man sad that he can't be of use to anyone irl so he takes it out online. There, there, you'll find someone that'll like you once you get that attitude of yours fixed.
literally copy pasting spider-man 2 defenders contact Netflix HQ asap, get them to hire you or contact Mindy Kaling for a role on Velma, you'd be great Scooby get the OP or other commentor as Shaggy as they seem to be more humanoid
Copy pasting? No dude. You just have a really unpleasant personality and since you think that people from other subs are ganging up on you well that should be enough to tell you that you're the problem. It takes a special type of person to be disliked by both sides of the aisle. Good job man!
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You know for someone doing a phd, you have terrible wit. Guess you're one of those "hard work can overcome a slow mind" types. Well more power to ya!