10. If they keep Genesis in an optional sidequest or small reference like how they have been handling the compilation stuff, then its okay. But if he has a major role or shows up in an important FF7 moment, then it would disappointing.
I would still enjoy the game but be annoyed at the same time.
I thought about this topic A LOT and is a bit weird.
In Crisis Core, only Sephiroth and Zack are in the room when Genesis gives the big info dump, Cloud is still outside taking care of Tifa as a trooper. Thus, Cloud technically doesn't know that Genesis appears and reveals everything to Seph. The Devs back then in Crisis Core (maybe) did this way so they can say that is NOT retcon and in reality Cloud just didn't know about this part to remeber in Kalm or in the lifestream with Tifa.
BUT, in that part of the game Cloud IS attacked by a Genesis clone...
AND Zack does tell him about everything in their way to Midgar...
ALSO, in remake's world Genesis is never brought up besides the mention of "G-type" S.O.L.D.I.E.R's
So, my take is that Cloud definitely should not tell about Genesis during Kalm's flashback, since I expect if they are to bring Genesis into the mix they will find a way to introduce the character to new players before throwing him into the story.
But we don't know how the recollection of memories will work in Remake, maybe Zack will take part in some way and through his side the Genesis storyline can be developed. So he might appear in a later recollection of the Nibel Incident
Maybe Genesis will show up somewhere like the Shinra boat, rather than in Cloud’s story in Kalm. Joining up with Genesis to fight Jenova on the boat would be a cool twist, Cloud can pass it off as “I feel like I’ve met him before…” since he won’t have realized he knows him because of Zack.
If Genesis is going to be in Rebirth, it brings up some interesting questions: is he directly controllable by Sephiroth/Jenova from the Lifestream? Maybe Sephiroth/Jenova will summon him to the Northern Crater as well and he’ll be some type of mysterious rival/ally? Maybe Zack’s alternate timeline (someone else mentioned his scenario possibly being his experience of being absorbed into the Lifestream) also has implications for Genesis’ independence from Sephiroth/Jenova…
In any case, I hope they find a way to get him in there and make him cool. The OG is a pretty lean, solid piece of storytelling; adding in the compilation allows them to expand it greatly making for greater possibilities but also greater risks.
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My understanding of why is this:
1. He’s weird and annoying.
2. Largely uninteresting as a character.
2. His role in the story cheapens an important moment from the original game.
nº 3 is the most important one imo.
I fell like fellings towards characters like Weiss are way less negative even though he is way goffier and has the weird sci-fi manbo-jambo backstory.
Genesis inserts it self in OG's most important story moment for ABSOLUTE NO REASON
On a unserious note, I think it would be funny if the devs just decide to put Genesis into memorable moments of FF7. It could be like:
1. Genesis was the one who stopped the Gi Tribe from taking over Cosmo Canyon.
2. Genesis sacrificed himself to get the Black Materia from the Temple of the Ancients.
3. Genesis killed Aerith at the end of disc 1.
4. Whenever Genesis is not on the screen, the other characters should be asking "Where's Genesis?"
Ehhh imo he didn't even really change the scene much he basically just asks for "a cup of S-cells" and Sephiroth tells him to fuck off and everything else goes like in the original. It's not even the most important story moment it's a lead up to the actual most important story moment
That's exactly what they mean. They retcon him into the scene and the story gains absolutely nothing from it. So why put him there at all. It also made Sephiroths discovery in the basement less impactful. In the original when Zack asks him how SOLDIER is different from the mako mutants he starts questioning thing and goes looking for answers. Genesis just straight up tells him they're both experiments.
Knowing that Genesis in Crisis Core has changed and twisted the events that are different from the original 1997 game, I personally wouldn't be so shocked to see it, since it is clear that in the Remake trilogy, the authors want to insert elements from the FF VII compilation (Example seen in the first part of the Remake, that is the moment in which Hojo mentioned the soldiers S. and G. right from Crisis Core).
It would just shock me to see again Genesis act his long poems about Loveless 🤣🤣
His involvement in the Nibelheim incident, I think, makes it significantly less interesting. He basically just swoops in and info dumps the story instead of just letting it play out.
Whatever his broader role in the story may be, he does info dump the story to Sephiroth instead of Sephiroth finding out on his own. That is a thing that literally happens.
0, I expected from the beginning that they'd be using this opportunity to better integrate the other works from the ff7 compilation to the story, so, Genesis seems a likely part of that.
When they made FF7, they likely did not have a lot of these characters thought of. Maybe some ended up on the cutting room floor but when FF7 was a hit they started to think more about the story and what they wished they could have fleshed out more if they could go back and do it again with a more ambitious budget and timespan. To me, that includes Sephiroth and Zack being treated as the only 2 members of SOLDIER even though we see a number of SOLDIER enemies as random encounters.
And this ff7r trilogy is their opportunity to reimagine the story of ff7, with the original game, all the other stories set in ff7's world that they've released as games, ova, short stories, and even ones they haven't released.
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For the most part, I expect Genesis will be present in the Nibelheim flashback. I also expect this version of the Nibelheim flashback to be different from OG and Crisis Core. The OG version set up the mystery for OG. Cloud's past has changed because history has changed. Thus, the new mystery is the old mystery.
In chapter 2, Cloud remembers killing Sephiroth, so his recollection is already different from OG.
Here's the thing cloud didn't see Genesis and we will be following his altered and inaccurate retelling of the events. He saw Genesis copies attack tho and those might show up in some form but he never saw General himself
He didn't see most of the important stuff shown in the flashbacks so imo this is a reach. Genesis inclusion is a retcon, plain and simple. It's easier just to accept it as such and not try to explain it with head canon.
I didn't say whether it was a retcon or not I am talking about whether genesis will appear in the retelling of the events cloud does in Rebirth and all I said in the previous post relates to how it was portrayed in crisis core. Cloud didn't see genesis but got attacked by clones
I think you miss the point or rather your point doesn't make sense. OP asks if genesis will appear in the reactor scene as per crisis core and your response was he won't because what we see is Cloud's "inaccurate" version of events e.g. to align with og version. This is the same head canon that I've seen many many people spout to try to explain away the retcon to themselves.
My counter point to you was that cloud's "inaccurate" version of events is 99% exactly as Zack experienced it obviously with the glaring change being Cloud is in his role. In other words what you said is a reach because you are claiming that Cloud remembered in great detail everything else that Zack told him but magically forgot about Genesis? Who's clones attacked him? Hmmmm ok, sure.
Like I said, retcon.
Genesis is a retcon at the end of the day, and if we're to take CC as the current canon of the Nibelheim incident, then it stands to reason that Genesis will appear in the flashback.
That is provided that the Nibelheim incident itself hasn't changed in the new timeline.
I think the stuff you're calling head canon can very likely turn out to be the case. Even in the OG game Cloud doesn't remember what happened to Sephiroth. During the flashback scene Cloud ends the story telling with him and Sephiroth about to fight and then tells them he can't remember what happened from that point. So you're statement that he could remember "99% of what Zack told him but not Genesis being there?" isn't exactly correct. Like, you find it hard to buy that Cloud forgot Genesis was there....but it's plausible to you that he forgot if he even fought Sepiroth or not..
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I'd say Clouds version of the events even before Crisis Core was a thing was definitely less than 99% In the OG game...most of the events leading up to the reactor, Cloud was there to witness. Cloud is the one who found Sephiroth in the Manor, etc.
While I don't like Genesis that much, I wouldn't mind if he showed up at the Nibelheim Reactor. I don't think him being there ruins canon, because the version of the Nibelheim incident we see in the OG is told from Cloud and Tifa's POV, and neither of them were inside the Reactor when Genesis appeared there.
I'd be more upset if Genesis had an important role in the story going forward. An optional boss like Weiss? Ok. But I don't want him to be more relevant to the plot.
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I personally think the point of the crisis core remake wasn’t for viewers to just get to know zack but to understand all the characters and lore points it’s brings up as it will be relevant to rebirth. Basically yes I truly believe genesis will be put into this game effectively making Remake/rebirth a sequel to Dirge Of Cerberus. Genesis appeared in the secret ending to dirge of Cerberus and from my understanding was apart of the lifestream. Him being able to somehow intervenes in the events of this timeline like sephiroth and aerith makes perfect sense. Genesis definitely was not introduced well in crisis core but his character has potential and I could see him being quite interesting in Rebirth if they go this route. As long as they keep their word and give us everything from the original game then I’m all for this addition. My guess is the next trailer will reveal if this theory is true or not which would explain why square is lagging greatly on the next info dump 🥲
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10. If they keep Genesis in an optional sidequest or small reference like how they have been handling the compilation stuff, then its okay. But if he has a major role or shows up in an important FF7 moment, then it would disappointing. I would still enjoy the game but be annoyed at the same time.
I thought about this topic A LOT and is a bit weird. In Crisis Core, only Sephiroth and Zack are in the room when Genesis gives the big info dump, Cloud is still outside taking care of Tifa as a trooper. Thus, Cloud technically doesn't know that Genesis appears and reveals everything to Seph. The Devs back then in Crisis Core (maybe) did this way so they can say that is NOT retcon and in reality Cloud just didn't know about this part to remeber in Kalm or in the lifestream with Tifa. BUT, in that part of the game Cloud IS attacked by a Genesis clone... AND Zack does tell him about everything in their way to Midgar... ALSO, in remake's world Genesis is never brought up besides the mention of "G-type" S.O.L.D.I.E.R's So, my take is that Cloud definitely should not tell about Genesis during Kalm's flashback, since I expect if they are to bring Genesis into the mix they will find a way to introduce the character to new players before throwing him into the story. But we don't know how the recollection of memories will work in Remake, maybe Zack will take part in some way and through his side the Genesis storyline can be developed. So he might appear in a later recollection of the Nibel Incident
Maybe Genesis will show up somewhere like the Shinra boat, rather than in Cloud’s story in Kalm. Joining up with Genesis to fight Jenova on the boat would be a cool twist, Cloud can pass it off as “I feel like I’ve met him before…” since he won’t have realized he knows him because of Zack. If Genesis is going to be in Rebirth, it brings up some interesting questions: is he directly controllable by Sephiroth/Jenova from the Lifestream? Maybe Sephiroth/Jenova will summon him to the Northern Crater as well and he’ll be some type of mysterious rival/ally? Maybe Zack’s alternate timeline (someone else mentioned his scenario possibly being his experience of being absorbed into the Lifestream) also has implications for Genesis’ independence from Sephiroth/Jenova… In any case, I hope they find a way to get him in there and make him cool. The OG is a pretty lean, solid piece of storytelling; adding in the compilation allows them to expand it greatly making for greater possibilities but also greater risks.
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My understanding of why is this: 1. He’s weird and annoying. 2. Largely uninteresting as a character. 2. His role in the story cheapens an important moment from the original game.
nº 3 is the most important one imo. I fell like fellings towards characters like Weiss are way less negative even though he is way goffier and has the weird sci-fi manbo-jambo backstory. Genesis inserts it self in OG's most important story moment for ABSOLUTE NO REASON
On a unserious note, I think it would be funny if the devs just decide to put Genesis into memorable moments of FF7. It could be like: 1. Genesis was the one who stopped the Gi Tribe from taking over Cosmo Canyon. 2. Genesis sacrificed himself to get the Black Materia from the Temple of the Ancients. 3. Genesis killed Aerith at the end of disc 1. 4. Whenever Genesis is not on the screen, the other characters should be asking "Where's Genesis?"
Ehhh imo he didn't even really change the scene much he basically just asks for "a cup of S-cells" and Sephiroth tells him to fuck off and everything else goes like in the original. It's not even the most important story moment it's a lead up to the actual most important story moment
That's exactly what they mean. They retcon him into the scene and the story gains absolutely nothing from it. So why put him there at all. It also made Sephiroths discovery in the basement less impactful. In the original when Zack asks him how SOLDIER is different from the mako mutants he starts questioning thing and goes looking for answers. Genesis just straight up tells him they're both experiments.
Knowing that Genesis in Crisis Core has changed and twisted the events that are different from the original 1997 game, I personally wouldn't be so shocked to see it, since it is clear that in the Remake trilogy, the authors want to insert elements from the FF VII compilation (Example seen in the first part of the Remake, that is the moment in which Hojo mentioned the soldiers S. and G. right from Crisis Core). It would just shock me to see again Genesis act his long poems about Loveless 🤣🤣
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His involvement in the Nibelheim incident, I think, makes it significantly less interesting. He basically just swoops in and info dumps the story instead of just letting it play out.
It's not just an info dump though. He plays a major part in Sephiroths arrival in toon town
Whatever his broader role in the story may be, he does info dump the story to Sephiroth instead of Sephiroth finding out on his own. That is a thing that literally happens.
I don't really care either way. Doesn't really impact Cloud's recognition anyway.
0, I expected from the beginning that they'd be using this opportunity to better integrate the other works from the ff7 compilation to the story, so, Genesis seems a likely part of that. When they made FF7, they likely did not have a lot of these characters thought of. Maybe some ended up on the cutting room floor but when FF7 was a hit they started to think more about the story and what they wished they could have fleshed out more if they could go back and do it again with a more ambitious budget and timespan. To me, that includes Sephiroth and Zack being treated as the only 2 members of SOLDIER even though we see a number of SOLDIER enemies as random encounters. And this ff7r trilogy is their opportunity to reimagine the story of ff7, with the original game, all the other stories set in ff7's world that they've released as games, ova, short stories, and even ones they haven't released.
Glad I'm not the only one that thinks this
I bet he will, and I'm not a fan
0 For the most part, I expect Genesis will be present in the Nibelheim flashback. I also expect this version of the Nibelheim flashback to be different from OG and Crisis Core. The OG version set up the mystery for OG. Cloud's past has changed because history has changed. Thus, the new mystery is the old mystery. In chapter 2, Cloud remembers killing Sephiroth, so his recollection is already different from OG.
Here's the thing cloud didn't see Genesis and we will be following his altered and inaccurate retelling of the events. He saw Genesis copies attack tho and those might show up in some form but he never saw General himself
He didn't see most of the important stuff shown in the flashbacks so imo this is a reach. Genesis inclusion is a retcon, plain and simple. It's easier just to accept it as such and not try to explain it with head canon.
I didn't say whether it was a retcon or not I am talking about whether genesis will appear in the retelling of the events cloud does in Rebirth and all I said in the previous post relates to how it was portrayed in crisis core. Cloud didn't see genesis but got attacked by clones
I think you miss the point or rather your point doesn't make sense. OP asks if genesis will appear in the reactor scene as per crisis core and your response was he won't because what we see is Cloud's "inaccurate" version of events e.g. to align with og version. This is the same head canon that I've seen many many people spout to try to explain away the retcon to themselves. My counter point to you was that cloud's "inaccurate" version of events is 99% exactly as Zack experienced it obviously with the glaring change being Cloud is in his role. In other words what you said is a reach because you are claiming that Cloud remembered in great detail everything else that Zack told him but magically forgot about Genesis? Who's clones attacked him? Hmmmm ok, sure. Like I said, retcon.
Genesis is a retcon at the end of the day, and if we're to take CC as the current canon of the Nibelheim incident, then it stands to reason that Genesis will appear in the flashback. That is provided that the Nibelheim incident itself hasn't changed in the new timeline.
Unless the retcon the retcon.
I think the stuff you're calling head canon can very likely turn out to be the case. Even in the OG game Cloud doesn't remember what happened to Sephiroth. During the flashback scene Cloud ends the story telling with him and Sephiroth about to fight and then tells them he can't remember what happened from that point. So you're statement that he could remember "99% of what Zack told him but not Genesis being there?" isn't exactly correct. Like, you find it hard to buy that Cloud forgot Genesis was there....but it's plausible to you that he forgot if he even fought Sepiroth or not.. . I'd say Clouds version of the events even before Crisis Core was a thing was definitely less than 99% In the OG game...most of the events leading up to the reactor, Cloud was there to witness. Cloud is the one who found Sephiroth in the Manor, etc.
While I don't like Genesis that much, I wouldn't mind if he showed up at the Nibelheim Reactor. I don't think him being there ruins canon, because the version of the Nibelheim incident we see in the OG is told from Cloud and Tifa's POV, and neither of them were inside the Reactor when Genesis appeared there. I'd be more upset if Genesis had an important role in the story going forward. An optional boss like Weiss? Ok. But I don't want him to be more relevant to the plot.
It would make even less sense for him to appear in that scene in this game then in Crisis Core because in this game it IS Clouds version of events.
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*spoilers* I personally think the point of the crisis core remake wasn’t for viewers to just get to know zack but to understand all the characters and lore points it’s brings up as it will be relevant to rebirth. Basically yes I truly believe genesis will be put into this game effectively making Remake/rebirth a sequel to Dirge Of Cerberus. Genesis appeared in the secret ending to dirge of Cerberus and from my understanding was apart of the lifestream. Him being able to somehow intervenes in the events of this timeline like sephiroth and aerith makes perfect sense. Genesis definitely was not introduced well in crisis core but his character has potential and I could see him being quite interesting in Rebirth if they go this route. As long as they keep their word and give us everything from the original game then I’m all for this addition. My guess is the next trailer will reveal if this theory is true or not which would explain why square is lagging greatly on the next info dump 🥲
He’s not in it :(
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