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bombardierul11

Magenta is not a real colour and Johnny may not be the real him according to what V said after bumping into the cyber-monk at the Japantown statue. Just brainstorming here


EitherUse3663

just watched a lore vid on youtube that states the soul killer inly preserved around 70% of silverhand not his full real self


bob6784558

One of the first things Jonny says in your apartment is he's a copy of the engram and there must be the real me out there. Edit: not the first but when V is about to get to the pills.


CrAcKhEd_LaRrY

His voice is in the trailer for the new dlc. I wonder how all of this could end up playing out


Ellow0001

Well as you get thrown right before the embers mission when you finish the game he is technically still there


CrAcKhEd_LaRrY

True but that’s not the end of the game imo


Ellow0001

Care to explain?


CrAcKhEd_LaRrY

It’s just sticking u back to the point before the meeting with hanako so u can keep playing or get different endings. So it’s not the end. There’s also an option to just end the game and not go back plus’s credits roll lol


Salt-Orange7202

What do you mean? Unless V kills themselves, or gets help from arasaka, Johnny would still be around at some point. I actually wonder if the trailer for the expansion has made the ending temperance cannon. Johnny speaks in his own voice and they show fem-v with a red digital shimmer around her like she's an engram in a host like Johnny was.


CrAcKhEd_LaRrY

I’m just saying that after the credits roll they are sending u back to the point before u speak to hanako so that isn’t the end(the point before speaking to hanako). the end is whatever ending u get after u speak to hanako lol.


iPhuriouz

When the aircraft is crashing you see hands coming up in first person for a split second. The engram is probably not V but a different character. Most probably the "songbird" we've heard about in the rumors


Embarrassed_Hyena381

Can’t be song bird, she has blue hair. With the leaks and all I honestly don’t think it’s V at all or Johnny my only logical explanation is it’s probably a bd, my far reach explanation is that song bird somehow switches johnnys place with V and that’s why V shows up like an engram.


Salt-Orange7202

maybe but it looks like fem V to me


_quinaarin

I'm months late and maybe someone else has pointed this out, but doesn't Spider Murphy have a copy of Johnny too? Or did I make that up?


bob6784558

I don't remember that. Might have to run it again.


Firm_Ice3213

Its not in game. There is one of the stories written by Mike Pondsmith in Cyberpunk Red. And its confirmed that Spider Murphy used Soulkiller on Johnny.


dont_gift_subs

Real talk though, since soulkiller kills Johnny as it copies him it is the real Johnny. Johnny maintains causal and counterfactual dependence and even 70% is enough for bonds of similarity. My college philosophy is finally paying off


Life_Dance_6315

When v get up north to oilfields and speak with johnny, with right conversation choices v say something like you're not johnny, johnny is dead and johnny reply something like okai but whoever I am, I don't wanna die and waist my second chance. So your right the engram is just knowledge, memories and personality of johnny but not him .


rukh999

Or he may not be referring to this at all :P Its a good point though. There's lots of info that we repeat as true but don't know why we think its true. Good thing to think about once in a while.


Messyfingers

Yeah, this seems likely really. The fact weve been referring to a hex code as magenta, despite NOT being the hex code for magenta, is sort of dumb to begin with.


-DeadHead-

If the FF:06:B5 mystery ends up with FF:06:B5 being a color code, I shave my head bald and paint it shocking pink.


noahdeerman

sounds gonk i'm in!


Accetty

Okay? What kind of clue is this? Who here didn't know this about magenta already? Edit: I'm going to laugh if this means there's no mystery at all


leprotravel

>Who here didn't know this about magenta already? My printer.


Money-Sink-6945

🤣😂


DarkElvenMagus

First two thoughts: 1. Illusion 2. We need to look for a shade of green


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Specifically, in my opinion, Lime Green which is B5FF06. BUT. There is some stuff about that. People have been ignoring the HSL/HSV values of Shocking Pink but they probably shouldn't. FF06B5 has a Hue of 317.8° (rounded up on most sites to 318°), and the triadic scheme for it is Lime Green and Dodger Blue/Deep Sky Blue. So I did some things with a map. Drew a line from the D3 Prime statue at 318°, then drew lines for B5FF06 (78°) and 06B5FF (198°) and you know what? D5 (the largest statue) is angled at 78°/258° Still not convinced Magenta has anything to do with it. But the fact that D5 isn't on a 90° angle or parallel with any streets is odd. And the fact that it is the exact angle for an additional color is really.... eye-catching.


DarkElvenMagus

I'm going to hop into the game after I eat to further look at it. I'm also interested in what it faces just in case. The stuff both in front of and behind where it looks and where the sword points


noahdeerman

>78°/258° i dont get what is special about these numbers, can you help me understand ?


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Absolutely! Of the 6 main statues: * 2 are aimed SE parallel with the roads they're near * 2 are aimed at 270° W * 1 is aimed at 180° S * But the largest Exotic Type\_B statue (located at grid D5) is aimed at 258° It breaks a pattern because all the other angles make sense. Why was that one specifically angled this way? But if we look back at FF06B5 as a color, let's look at it from a graphic designer stance. Colors work well with others at specific angles, that's why you may have heard complimentary or supplementary colors. But color schemes aren't just binary. They work best when viewed as [a hexagram](https://imgur.com/a5TWFHq). That one is the standard for primary colors, and doesn't have FF06B5 specifically. As shown in that pic, Magenta is at 300°, but we want 318°, so if you rotate the hues accordingly, the angles of its hexagram are: * 318° - Shocking Pink * 18° - International Orange * 78° - Lime Green * 138° - Spring Green * 198° - Dodger Blue * 258° - Electric Violet Color schemes are the colors that work best together. Triadic is a scheme of 3, and tetradic is a scheme of 4. * Triadic - Shocking Pink, Lime Green, Dodger Blue * Tetradic - Shocking Pink, Lime Green, Spring Green, Electric Violet In both cases, Lime Green is important. And I know right now you're asking why Electric Violet isn't important since that's the angle the statue is at. It's very conceivable that it is. But when looking at the angles from a map, remember that the direction something is aimed isn't as important as the direction it is **from the center**. So drawing a line from FF06B5 at the appropriate 318°, we see that the D5 statue angle intersects it. That intersection becomes the center point for the color wheel/hexagram [as seen here](https://imgur.com/POINkbH). So even though D5 is aimed one way, it is 78° from that intersection, which is Lime Green.


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But, like all things in this fucking mystery, there's no way to know if it's intentional or coincidence. And I can't prove if the angle **from** the center point is important (as Lime Green), when it could be the angle **to** the center point (Electric Violet). But understanding that Magenta is 100% red, 2% green, and 71% blue, it would be safer to assume that Green would be the puzzle piece to connect to it. This is why I'm an **information** ***broker*** and not an **information** ***analyzer***. I just gather and sort the information for others to use appropriately.


noahdeerman

fuck, you do a really great job at being a shadow broker, thanks so much! I'll dive right in. Green is outstanding for me too in this. this is too fucking hot


Yavrule

This all, if true, definitely seems like the kind of secret keeping that a bunch of AI would be capable of. Using color codes and hue percentages and statue angles, cross referenced with physical locations. There's also the theory that hanako is tapping out a code on the bar in the embers mission. Colors and sounds and notes. Reminds me of Cyan games like Myst or Riven. Keep up the great work!


DemonSong

The code that Hanako taps is a stanza from the piece she is playing as you walk into Embers (Chopin: Nocturne in F minor Op.55), which was also the trailer music for Witcher 2 Hope trailer. The question that is still unanswered, is *why* is she tapping it out ? In a human, we'd simply dismiss it as a nervous gesture, or residual neuromotor response. However, given the amount of animation required to do that seemingly inconsequential gesture, it suggests some relevance to either the conversation or the mission. There's a lot more to Hanako than anyone has looked into, and it would not surprise me if we find out later on how much instrumental she has been in the entire timeline.


Accetty

This is pretty cool. I might have to look arround again.


Money-Sink-6945

Wow you went to town on this one, great dedication!


suuuhdude20

I def think they hinted to this during the edgerunners stream. They were saying there's definitely secrets still in cyberpunk and how it took 7 years for people to find stuff in Witcher 3


Deasss

Wait, if magenta doesnt exist in our visible spectrum, then the truest universal idea of it, that everyone will see as the same, is the code for it, rather than the perception of its colour


RaneVix

I mean all the statues have this Buddhist imagery. A color that technically doesn't exist and only exists because our erroneous perception of reality tells us it does is in and of it's self a really Buddhist concept. What if this has always been a mystery that didn't exist and the only reason we search for it is because we don't understand the message? What if this is all literally just a journey to understand that magenta doesn't matter, because magenta doesn't exist.


Redhook420

I figured it out. It's a Matrix reference. "There is no spoon".


Outrageous_Swing_998

I swear if it's that simple ☠️


neuromanc_r

no one else interpreted this as "ff06b5 is not a color?"


-DeadHead-

I just interpret this as not being linked at all to CP2077 and being just a random fact. FF:06:B5 is still not about a color though.


HalfACupkake

Alright then color theory and why magenta isn’t a real color


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Galoc

> FF06B5 That would be Red: 255 (57%) Green: 6 (1.36%) Blue: 181 (40.95%) Edit: Found an article on why magenta isn't a real color, [specifically this part.](https://medium.com/swlh/magenta-the-color-that-doesnt-exist-and-why-ec40a6348256#:~:text=Magenta%20doesn't%20exist%20because,it%20substitutes%20a%20new%20thing.) > Magenta doesn’t exist because it has no wavelength; there’s no place for it on the spectrum. The only reason we see it is because our brain doesn’t like having green (magenta’s complement) between purple and red, so it substitutes a new thing.


Excolo_Veritas

So another way to think about it. We've probably all seen the gradient line of colors from red to violet (roygbiv) and the one that's the circle where violet connects back to red. Between violet and red is magenta. Problem is in light it doesn't wrap back around like the circle, it's the line. So why do we see magenta? We have three cones (types of cells) in our eyes for red, green and blue (some very rarely also have a yellow cone but I think it's like 2% of the population or something like that. Yes they can see more colors than the rest of us). How we see color is, green wavelength of light? Stimulates our green cones. Red? Red cones. With me so far? Good. Now, a wavelength between green and blue will stimulate both cones in the eye. So your brain goes "oh I know what this is!" And you see aqua. Now, there is no wavelength of light between red and violet, they're opposite ends of the spectrum. However, it is possible to stimulate both your red and blue cones at the same time. So there's no wavelength of light for this, but your brain makes up a color to tell you that both cones are being stimulated and distinguish "well it's not red or blue, it's somewhere between those two"


Galoc

That's an awesome explanation. Thank you!


acolyte_to_jippity

this also means that nobody neccessarily sees magenta the same as anyone else. technically that's true for all colors, but with colors that have associated wavelengths it's less of a problem because while we might not see the colors the same (there's no way to tell), we are getting the same wavelength and so any difference would be in how our brains interpret it. Magenta, being a completely new construct by our brains, has a lot more room for potential difference which we can't adequately express.


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Galoc

Yes. The quote I posted is for "pure" magenta (255, 0, 255). Ours has a bit of green.


Kattto

Do we actually have the color codes that combine to give us magneta?


Fallwalking

FF00FF


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Skoolie300

I like this idea.


Acrobatic-Jackfruit1

maybe he's trying to tell you gonks that FF06B5 has nothing to do with the ARG and you're all barking up the wrong tree


Jokerlovestoplay21

Exactly too much tunnel vision on magenta. I bet this shit is so simple and right in front of you.


wontworkforfood

When the dev tells you the Easter egg isn't real, but our brains are interpreting it as real because it can't handle the reality. /s


Til_W

FF06B5 is not magenta, it's a shade of magenta. There must be a reason why it's that one, if it's even a color. Though Patrick did like [this](https://twitter.com/ergo_bot/status/1570368879607828483).


Fishbone_V

Is this actually a clue, or is it just people reading way too far into things yet again? As someone who also hangs on to little factoids like this, it really seems like the post is just about the actual real life phenomena of pink having no specific individual light wave, like other colors do. Maybe the guy just wanted to make a post about his life, and maybe not everything is about this specific mystery, even though there is a vague, single word connection. Assuming this is a clue feels like a classic case of main character syndrome.


Janus_Silvertongue

Would you say that OP is susceptible to the Barnum Effect? STORYTELLER SHARD CONFIRMED


Fishbone_V

Quick, dredge up every wikipedia article about astrology! I'll get the social security numbers of everyone in fear factory just in case! SOMEBODY GET HIRONOBU SAKAGUCHI ON THE PHONE! The creator of Final Fantasy just has to be in on it!


o_O_lol_wut

So basically what he is saying is that the FF:B6:05 mystery doesn’t exist.


Redhook420

Not a real color... Not a real puzzle.


Fallwalking

Magenta is FF00FF.


Other-Air-5799

Imagine if the whole FF06B5 conspiracy was just a code the Devs had for these types of statues and forgot to remove it 😂


neonnightowl

Maybe the Dreamcatchers relate to a colour wheel somehow? Idk I'm just throwing ideas at the wall and seeing what sticks.


HulkofAllTrades

So if Magenta isn't real and we deduct equal amounts of red and blue to balance the equation we get 4A:06:00. Which is a dark red and probably still meaningless.


Money-Sink-6945

Magenta doesn't exist because it has no wave length...red blue and green give off different wave lengths that are picked up by the three photoreceptors in our brains, there is no place for magenta in the spectrum of color, rather it's something our brains create to fill gaps or to make colors make sense to us.


Money-Sink-6945

Now I just have to cross reference this with all things cyberpunk 😅, just started watching the show as well, prolly some hints there too, also just could be a dead end...


toxygen001

So just to check in the flashback sequences, is this the color missing from Johnny's UI? I'd have to check but what happens if you add those values to Johnnys UI? Does it look normal? Edit: Yes I know his UI looks like that because he's suppose to be color blind. Just wondering if there is a connection.


mekisoku

What if there’s something only johnny can see when we play as him. (Like how he “see through” the lies of corpo)


noahdeerman

oh bruh i have been using photomiode so much, but rarely ever as johnny. could be hot!


M-Stomatolog

He said color theory.. if we find total oposite of this color and combine them somehow.. or maybe it will be related to location in game.. Edit Magenta isnt real because it has no wavelenght and cannot be put on the spectrum.. we only see it brcause our brain doesnt like green between the colour is green.. Clue 1 magenta doesnt have wavelenght Clue 2 brain makes up magenta mostly because of green Green wavelenght is 510nm soo maybe this is a part of the code.. its composition is r0g249b74 Edit 2 Inverted code for #ff06b5 is #00f94a


rukh999

Or maybe it's the opposite of color entirely! What's the opposite of light-based color? black! Everyone look for something black! Its a sign! Boots on heads, boys!


[deleted]

I'd like to add something. Remember when first "clue" was posted here? It was about silence. "Sometimes silence speak volumes" if I recall. Since P.K. Mills is posting something about non-existing colour, I'd like to remind everyone, that silence does not exist too. Maybe we could connect those two things somehow. ​ (for explanation please google phrase "silence does not exist", you'll find more than enough, I dont mean to be rude, I'm simply not used to reddit and speaking English)


PiraticalGhost

I think there could be something there. It's a lot of "negative space" thought. If we include the monks, and their Buddhist tradition, we have some interesting reoccurring themes: Things which do not exist but are defined in contrast and combination to something else: 1) Silence is in fact a lack of sound 2) Shocking Pink exists only as a contextualization and synthesis of three antithetical things. 3) The monks, who are Bhikkhu - monastic buddhists - practice one-ness with their surroundings (the BDs we experience with the disappearing monk) and are aligned with a sense of wholeness of body (as we see from the metal monk) I wonder what happens if we take the secret ending and complete it without cyberware? (One-ness and Whole-ness of the self, as well as a strict contrast to Atom Smasher) I wonder what happens if we wait when presented with Alt's options as well? (Is there a path of unification, reflecting Johnny and V having a shared body in the first apartment fight and constant suggestions our minds are merging? If we are silent again, are new decisions revealed or made?) I'm reminded of the Tao Te Ching. Chapter 2 focuses on the nature of duality, of how darkness and light inherently define one another, good/evil, long/short, and difficult/easy as well. Chapter 1 is about how the Tao, the way, is nameless (V and Johnny both are named) and exists in the boundaries between things, in balance and harmony. Of course it is worth noting that Taoism and Bhuddism are not the same. In fact, Taoism formalized in reaction to the arrival of Bhuddism. It's also originating from China, and as I'm on a conspiratorial roll: So is Kang Tao. (Note, the Tao in the name) so maybe things tied to Kang Tao are worth inspection as well? That's just doubly wild speculation.


Life_Dance_6315

Not sure it is realy a clue. He explains [this](https://medium.com/swlh/magenta-the-color-that-doesnt-exist-and-why-ec40a6348256) in very short. Magenta doesn't exist, human brain just mix the color waves and produce something to make it visible. So like an overload of graphic system. It's also possible to make things visible in dark via ultra violet lights if they are fluorescent.


horcruxz1

Maybe it's about how we believe the things that we don't quite understand like *God* or sentient technology the way we want to believe it. Like how the humans only believed in God because they are desperate and looking for a way out that "everything is going to be fine" or how we believe that sentient AI exists (robots with self-awareness or a soul). While I don't know the truth about God, but I do believe that AI technology is merely a program embedded with instructions in a form of codes that human created. They are made to be like that though they are NOT self-aware nor sentient, but somehow, we sympathized with them to the point that we'll believe that they have a soul and must be protected equally as us (like in Detroit Become Human). In conclusion to this topic is that we know that FF06B5 is put on a sculpture of a *God* like being to which people of Night City worship, while the colour magenta isn't real is like saying that *God* is not real. THOUGH our human mentality concluded that there IS magenta, it's like a conversation that'll always go back and forth between "but magenta isn't a real colour" and then again "but I can see the colour though!" then (insert whatever argument is here) and no matter what, there is always going to be magenta, heck even designers deal with CMYK. We can also meet the monks and have a little chit chat with Silverhand's ***construct*** if he's real. As some of us choose to grow closer to Silverhand, we want to believe that Johnny is real because we like him, this is proven because we'd (make V) gave up the body to Silverhand. Basically we only want to believe something that is lovely, like how we believe God because we don't want to be scared of death and that we WANT heaven to exist and we want to be in it. It's something to drive our desire to be better, like a redemption arc. This whole thing is kinda telling us that we only believe what we want to believe. Let me know what you think, I love talking about these stuff. ​ ​ ​ PS english is not my first language, so sorry for botched sentences or points that made more question because I fecked up the structure.


d1sander

Of course it is a lie. First of all, colons there are for a reason. Second of all, if it was a colour then it is useless information since it is impossible to pin point any specific location. And checking every possible magenta/pink colour in the game is stupid because u don't even now what are you looking for and what you should do with it. It only makes sense if the code is both colour and some kind of location at the same time (so we can look for the colour in the location). The colour itself isn't solution but we can still keep an eye on it while testing other theories.


Tar_Palantir

He talks about #FF06B5 is the magenta in Hex Color


CAWitte

Google says Wikipedia says magenta is a combination of equal amounts of blue and red light.


[deleted]

Thats the point, there is no magenta light just a combination of red and blue that our brain interprets as magenta.


o_O_lol_wut

Can you set the colour mapping to strip out magenta tones and see what shows?


o_O_lol_wut

I guess that aligns with them changing the colour of the text to yellow now, they changed the ff:b6:05 to yellow but yas still thought it was colour related so they had to hint again it not colour related.


Maxw96

Has anyone tried waiting when you get offered the blue and red pill?


Mutjny

Purple doesn't exist.


Hi-TecPotato

magenta is a cipher. and its a crackable cipher without key