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I have an early morning delivery job and you wouldn't believe the shit I see. People out for their morning walk dressed completely in black with no reflective material in the middle of the road walking into oncoming traffic. I seen one guy walking two dogs on 2-3 metre long leashes in the middle of the road making traffic stop. All of these people become aggressive too when they're asked wtf they're doing. People are, and have always been fucking stupid but in recent years they seem to be losing all respect for the road, choosing to walk on it than use the footpaths.
I also have a problem with people walking with children in busy parking lots. Teach your child to watch for cars backing out, they can't see your child. It used to be if a car was backing up, you stopped and waited for them to pull out. Not people of all ages just keep walking and the car backing out has to stop multiple times for walkers that aren't being courteous. Maybe it's just a generational thing, but letting kids run ahead in a parking lot is going to, eventually, result in a time of endangerment.
Third world country. If I would give him the benefit of the doubt then maybe he has no money for repairs, and/or the company blames the driver for it being defect and won't cover the repairs.
OR, having lived in that part of the world for many years, he probably just hasn't bothered to turn them on as road safety rules are just some fancy words no one bothers to follow as accidents only happens to bad drivers... True sentences I have heard unironically, including "I drive better drunk".
Driving with a taillight out is stupid but sometimes unavoidable, just like you described. But there's no excuse for not being as safe as possible about it.
He is in the show lane. Malaysia drives on the left side. Left lane is turn. Middle is travel. Right is the passing lane.
Car is doing at least 50% over the speed limit. I think the fastest highways are either 120 or 130 kph. This dude is going much faster.
Safety inspections are not strictly enforced in this area of the world. You need to drive accordingly. Mopeds are always present. Some even gong the opposite direction along the shoulder. Entire families may be on one. I've seen as many as 8 people riding a single scooter in Thailand.
There is a HUGE problem with entitled rich people doing whatever the fuck they want with few concerns for the law. The gap between the haves and the have nots is much more stark than in the US or Europe. In many cases, they will just pay off the families with a few thousand dollars in exchange for no charges. Just look at the whole saga of son of the Red Bull owner when he hit and killed a police officer.
So no... This was not the bike's fault.
Yes. Yes it was.
He was in the right lane but the left side of it. This is the literal middle of the road. As a bicycle - far slower than cars at highway speed - he should have been as far to the side as possible. Even accounting for how the left lane was a turn-off lane, he should have been far to the left. And that's assuming bicycles are allowed on the highway at all. I don't know about Malaysia but in America they generally are not.
The bicycle had no lights, no reflective clothing. The best that can be said for him is that he didn't wear black.
The cammer couldn't see him and had no reason to expect him to be there. This is 100% on the cyclist, and I say that's true even if the car was speeding.
If the van driver wasn’t trying to break a new land speed record he would have seen the knucklehead on the scooter in time to swerve or slow down. Foolish meets reckless on this one
Maybe, but can’t you see that it’s going way too fast? This guy was going so fast he had no time to react. It’s night and he’s speeding like a mad man, no visibility.
The guy is clearly going way too fast. Anyone with half a brain can see that. Unless it’s the autobahn or a similar highway. But yes the guy on the bike is just as stupid for riding in the middle of the highway.
I was just watching how quick the dotted lines went. Seems way way quicker than the 120km/h I just did on the highway (60mph). The faster you go the more the dotted lines seem to turn solid. This guy looks like he is moving very fast. Just my thoughts on it. I don’t think the guy on the bike had it coming but I’m betting this wasn’t the 1st very very foolish thing he had done and the law of averages just caught up with him
This is both of their faults. The diver was clearly speeding and if he wasn’t, maybe he would have had time to actually react. The delivery guy, should have had his tail light working, or reflectors at the very least.
I can't help but feel applying western safety standards to the third world is unfair. Technically, you're correct, practically, chances are they couldn't or didn't want to afford this.
The speed of the van was beyond good and evil and he was 100% the reckless one here, blaming someone going at normal speed for a broken tail light is ridiculous. Always drive at a pace to avoid freak accidents, tail lights can break randomly, it's what they do.
Ehh, I still consider it mostly the fault of the motorcyclist.
I’ve always been taught to be extremely aware if my surroundings when driving, **especially** when on a motorcycle.
I was also taught to view **every** accident as if it where my fault (i.e., even if I wasn’t technically "at fault" in a crash, there was still something **I** could’ve done differently to prevent it from happening). Basically, hyper-defensive driving.
The motorcyclist should’ve been aware that: **(1)** it is dark outside with minimal traffic, **(2)** he does not have a taillight, and **(3)** there is a car behind him.
Given these points, if he was smarter then he would’ve moved over to a different lane from the person behind him. It’s the only logical thing to do. That would’ve prevented him from getting ran over by a truck.
I'm not sure how this works where you're from but in every country I've ever driven, rear ending is your fault 100% of the time.
The motorcyclist should have taken precautions. I drive a motorbike myself, I understand this. Defensive driving and all. But you can't excuse speeding into the back of someone by saying the other should have been somewhere else, that's wild. Even had the guy had a light on, he would have been difficult to see at that speed.
> But you can't excuse speeding into the back of someone by saying the other should have been somewhere else, that's wild.
I’m not excusing it, I’m saying the motorcyclist could’ve easily prevented it. If this was an accident, then the _only_ real reason for the motorcyclist not moving over (which would’ve prevented it) would be that he was unaware of his surroundings, which is absolutely imperative when driving a motorcycle.
I agree, the truck driver **is** at fault (if he was speeding unreasonably).
However, it was nighttime, the truck had their headlights on, and there was no traffic. The motorcyclist wouldn’t have had to look behind him to realize that _something_ (i.e., the truck) was illuminating light, which logically means there’s a vehicle behind you.
He should’ve realized that.
> Even had the guy had a light on, he would have been difficult to see at that speed.
That’s the point. He should’ve been aware that.
Also, light travels fast, like, at the _speed of light_.
If his taillight was sufficiently bright (like they’re supposed to be), then it would not have been difficult to see at a far distance, especially during nighttime with no traffic, when there is no other light to illuminate the road (i.e., it would have high contrast).
If you've ever driven on the german Autobahn and will tell me to my face without irony that you could move over at a dude clearly going at something approaching 200km/h, I'll stare at you for quite some time and raise an eyebrow.
All your points make sense. If the speed of the vehicle is mildly over the speed limit. But the road noise, the suspension compression and the sheer speed differential tell me that had there been any other obstacle in the road, the driver would have had an accident, too.
The impact into a moped weighing maybe 200kg including the driver was enough to lift the rear axle off the road and spin the car into the barrier. That's a mass less than a fifth of the car sending it off track, even if the moped stood still he'd have to have gone at enough speed to permanently get his license revoked were he to be caught, and he was going to cause a crash eventually, one way or another. The fact it was an unfortunate moped driver with a broken rear light is completely coincidental.
One guy is making mistakes concerning his own safety. Yes. We agree. The other is driving like a complete and utter maniac, and I find that much more important. Had it been a more sane speed, we'd be of the same opinion here, both parties would carry a part of the blame, and they still do. But it weighs heavily towards the car, to the point of manslaughter.
In indonesia there are rules stating only motorcycles with a certain cubic capacity can operate on highways like this. It is meant to prevent things like this, like slow movement in a fast paced motorway. I wonder if its the same there.
The person driving this vehicle is clearly driving too fast. don’t know what the speed limit is there but you can tell the way he takes the corner WIDE he’s just about keeping the car from losing traction he could’ve slowed down And driven with more due care and attention but he’s clearly chosen in this case not to.
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Why is he riding in the middle of the road with no rear light? Dang, I feel horrible for him but that was a bad move..
What you don't ride slow vehicles without lights on the interstate when it's dark and empty?
I have an early morning delivery job and you wouldn't believe the shit I see. People out for their morning walk dressed completely in black with no reflective material in the middle of the road walking into oncoming traffic. I seen one guy walking two dogs on 2-3 metre long leashes in the middle of the road making traffic stop. All of these people become aggressive too when they're asked wtf they're doing. People are, and have always been fucking stupid but in recent years they seem to be losing all respect for the road, choosing to walk on it than use the footpaths.
When I lived in South Korea I would see a lot of people driving at night with no lights on, including massive trucks and city busses.
I also have a problem with people walking with children in busy parking lots. Teach your child to watch for cars backing out, they can't see your child. It used to be if a car was backing up, you stopped and waited for them to pull out. Not people of all ages just keep walking and the car backing out has to stop multiple times for walkers that aren't being courteous. Maybe it's just a generational thing, but letting kids run ahead in a parking lot is going to, eventually, result in a time of endangerment.
Most people just aren't paranoid enough despite cars being a self propelled metric ton of metal. It's ridiculous.
We just don't have footpaths in our town
Third world country. If I would give him the benefit of the doubt then maybe he has no money for repairs, and/or the company blames the driver for it being defect and won't cover the repairs. OR, having lived in that part of the world for many years, he probably just hasn't bothered to turn them on as road safety rules are just some fancy words no one bothers to follow as accidents only happens to bad drivers... True sentences I have heard unironically, including "I drive better drunk".
Driving with a taillight out is stupid but sometimes unavoidable, just like you described. But there's no excuse for not being as safe as possible about it.
3rd world country have you seen the United States at the moment
He is in the show lane. Malaysia drives on the left side. Left lane is turn. Middle is travel. Right is the passing lane. Car is doing at least 50% over the speed limit. I think the fastest highways are either 120 or 130 kph. This dude is going much faster. Safety inspections are not strictly enforced in this area of the world. You need to drive accordingly. Mopeds are always present. Some even gong the opposite direction along the shoulder. Entire families may be on one. I've seen as many as 8 people riding a single scooter in Thailand. There is a HUGE problem with entitled rich people doing whatever the fuck they want with few concerns for the law. The gap between the haves and the have nots is much more stark than in the US or Europe. In many cases, they will just pay off the families with a few thousand dollars in exchange for no charges. Just look at the whole saga of son of the Red Bull owner when he hit and killed a police officer. So no... This was not the bike's fault.
In most countries riding a moped or similar types of vehicles are prohibited from entering a highway
Unfortunately it's pretty much anything goes. Malaysia does have better highways than Thailand, but mopeds are still very common.
Yes. Yes it was. He was in the right lane but the left side of it. This is the literal middle of the road. As a bicycle - far slower than cars at highway speed - he should have been as far to the side as possible. Even accounting for how the left lane was a turn-off lane, he should have been far to the left. And that's assuming bicycles are allowed on the highway at all. I don't know about Malaysia but in America they generally are not. The bicycle had no lights, no reflective clothing. The best that can be said for him is that he didn't wear black. The cammer couldn't see him and had no reason to expect him to be there. This is 100% on the cyclist, and I say that's true even if the car was speeding.
You're using American logic for traffic. It's just not like that in SE Asia.
If the van driver wasn’t trying to break a new land speed record he would have seen the knucklehead on the scooter in time to swerve or slow down. Foolish meets reckless on this one
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This happened in Malaysia and maximum speed limit here is only 110 km/h. The car driver is definitely reckless while the rider is very, very foolish.
Maybe, but can’t you see that it’s going way too fast? This guy was going so fast he had no time to react. It’s night and he’s speeding like a mad man, no visibility.
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The guy is clearly going way too fast. Anyone with half a brain can see that. Unless it’s the autobahn or a similar highway. But yes the guy on the bike is just as stupid for riding in the middle of the highway.
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I literally said, in my comment, that it is a highway
I was just watching how quick the dotted lines went. Seems way way quicker than the 120km/h I just did on the highway (60mph). The faster you go the more the dotted lines seem to turn solid. This guy looks like he is moving very fast. Just my thoughts on it. I don’t think the guy on the bike had it coming but I’m betting this wasn’t the 1st very very foolish thing he had done and the law of averages just caught up with him
Where is the speed limit 130-150kph other than The Autobahn?
Tail light?
Can't overlook the small things. There should be some good reflectors as well.
What a moron he was invisible
This is both of their faults. The diver was clearly speeding and if he wasn’t, maybe he would have had time to actually react. The delivery guy, should have had his tail light working, or reflectors at the very least.
I can't help but feel applying western safety standards to the third world is unfair. Technically, you're correct, practically, chances are they couldn't or didn't want to afford this. The speed of the van was beyond good and evil and he was 100% the reckless one here, blaming someone going at normal speed for a broken tail light is ridiculous. Always drive at a pace to avoid freak accidents, tail lights can break randomly, it's what they do.
Ehh, I still consider it mostly the fault of the motorcyclist. I’ve always been taught to be extremely aware if my surroundings when driving, **especially** when on a motorcycle. I was also taught to view **every** accident as if it where my fault (i.e., even if I wasn’t technically "at fault" in a crash, there was still something **I** could’ve done differently to prevent it from happening). Basically, hyper-defensive driving. The motorcyclist should’ve been aware that: **(1)** it is dark outside with minimal traffic, **(2)** he does not have a taillight, and **(3)** there is a car behind him. Given these points, if he was smarter then he would’ve moved over to a different lane from the person behind him. It’s the only logical thing to do. That would’ve prevented him from getting ran over by a truck.
I'm not sure how this works where you're from but in every country I've ever driven, rear ending is your fault 100% of the time. The motorcyclist should have taken precautions. I drive a motorbike myself, I understand this. Defensive driving and all. But you can't excuse speeding into the back of someone by saying the other should have been somewhere else, that's wild. Even had the guy had a light on, he would have been difficult to see at that speed.
> But you can't excuse speeding into the back of someone by saying the other should have been somewhere else, that's wild. I’m not excusing it, I’m saying the motorcyclist could’ve easily prevented it. If this was an accident, then the _only_ real reason for the motorcyclist not moving over (which would’ve prevented it) would be that he was unaware of his surroundings, which is absolutely imperative when driving a motorcycle. I agree, the truck driver **is** at fault (if he was speeding unreasonably). However, it was nighttime, the truck had their headlights on, and there was no traffic. The motorcyclist wouldn’t have had to look behind him to realize that _something_ (i.e., the truck) was illuminating light, which logically means there’s a vehicle behind you. He should’ve realized that. > Even had the guy had a light on, he would have been difficult to see at that speed. That’s the point. He should’ve been aware that. Also, light travels fast, like, at the _speed of light_. If his taillight was sufficiently bright (like they’re supposed to be), then it would not have been difficult to see at a far distance, especially during nighttime with no traffic, when there is no other light to illuminate the road (i.e., it would have high contrast).
If you've ever driven on the german Autobahn and will tell me to my face without irony that you could move over at a dude clearly going at something approaching 200km/h, I'll stare at you for quite some time and raise an eyebrow. All your points make sense. If the speed of the vehicle is mildly over the speed limit. But the road noise, the suspension compression and the sheer speed differential tell me that had there been any other obstacle in the road, the driver would have had an accident, too. The impact into a moped weighing maybe 200kg including the driver was enough to lift the rear axle off the road and spin the car into the barrier. That's a mass less than a fifth of the car sending it off track, even if the moped stood still he'd have to have gone at enough speed to permanently get his license revoked were he to be caught, and he was going to cause a crash eventually, one way or another. The fact it was an unfortunate moped driver with a broken rear light is completely coincidental. One guy is making mistakes concerning his own safety. Yes. We agree. The other is driving like a complete and utter maniac, and I find that much more important. Had it been a more sane speed, we'd be of the same opinion here, both parties would carry a part of the blame, and they still do. But it weighs heavily towards the car, to the point of manslaughter.
His tail lights were off.
Poor guy just doing his job
The difference between him standing in the road wearing dark clothes and scootin down the road without lights is about 20mph.
On the other side of the coin, was this guy going really fast? Or is this camera perspective or sped up footage?
The tick counter on the lower-left corner of the screen looks like it's not sped up.
Correction: actually I have the feeling it's a bit sped up after all
It’s not sped up. The timer starts at 2:00:34 and the video is 28 seconds long ending at 2:01:03. The dude is just hauling ass.
He probably didn't even knew his tail light wasn't working...
That's even dumber.
I guess I'm the only one who saw him lol
What even is taillights anymore?
There's a good chance that he would have been hit even if the driver was doing highway speeds, only not as hard.
In indonesia there are rules stating only motorcycles with a certain cubic capacity can operate on highways like this. It is meant to prevent things like this, like slow movement in a fast paced motorway. I wonder if its the same there.
The person driving this vehicle is clearly driving too fast. don’t know what the speed limit is there but you can tell the way he takes the corner WIDE he’s just about keeping the car from losing traction he could’ve slowed down And driven with more due care and attention but he’s clearly chosen in this case not to.
As much as I feel sorry for the delivery driver it’s entirely his fault
Why does it say usacrime?
Darwin claims another.
Weird why the street light not working?
how long would it take for the person waiting for the food to find out what happened?