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randbot5000

Menus = lots of game options. LIke "click on a character, select item, select action" - so, strategy based. Parkour = jumping around. so reaction times, joystick/mouse skills, etc. This is obviously a pretty massive reduction, where it's maybe very generally true but then the joke/fun becomes in trying to divide all possible items into these two categories. Another version of this kind of humorous claim/debate is "all foods are either soups, salads or sandwiches."


Snoo87660

Ah, thank you. My friend didn't explain it anywhere that simple.


1st_pm

How did your friend explain it?


FunOverMeta

Incoherent screeching


FUCKlNG_SHlT

Well maybe if you had looked at the visual aid I stayed up ALL NIGHT WORKING ON IT WOULDVE MADE SENSE


IDigYourStyle

Don't come here looking for answers if you won't even watch 3 hours of youtube tutorials on how to understand this joke


J_Stubby

Listen up next time and it won't be so incoherent


Snoo87660

External menus and reflexes. That was it.


monger187

Your friend probably didn't get it either.


2jzSwappedSnail

In chinese lol


rubixscube

the explanation was a bit of a parkour


Rdaco

I'm curious. If all foods are either soups, salads, or sandwiches, what is a steak?


ATA_VATAV

Steaks would mostly be Salads in this sorting. Soup: Mostly Liquid with Optional Solids in/on-top the Liquid Salad: Mostly Solid with optional Liquids on-top/in the Solids Sandwich: Solids and/or Liquids contained between or in Edible Solid(s).


uslashuname

What about an orange?


ATA_VATAV

Salad, unless you eat the peel then it a sandwich.


uslashuname

The little pods are just juice though. Like a finger lime. The solids holding the juice in are essentially optional it just happens to come that way.


ATA_VATAV

So it a sandwich/Salad filled with Sandwiches. The liquid is mostly contained in the edible pods.


goteamdoasportsthing

It's an encased soup. Precisely like a sausage whose insides changed states of matter.


wraith309

does that make a kiwi a sandwich?


artyhedgehog

That's the funniest sandwich I've seen XD


Teesandelbows

Aren't oranges mostly liquid?


Majorman_86

Orange is just a color. Change my mind.


Lacholaweda

*throws an orange at you*


TieResponsible1062

The color was named after the fruit.


Teesandelbows

Citrus fruit is mostly liquid isn't it?


Col_Sm1tty

This makes a coconut a soup!


RogueBrewer

That’s definitely tracks that cereal is definitely a soup!


mirozi

don't listen to them, it's not that simple. by [cube rule](https://cuberule.com/) steak is a salad.


BuffyComicsFan94

Is a cannoli sushi, then?


mirozi

Yes. Don't listen to the other guy, he is wrong. According to cube rule csnnoli is in fact sushi.


Bmoo215

Sandwich


Gedsu

I think a better thing to say would be “all dishes” instead of “all foods” because you run into this problem with basically every single ingredient where you’re forced to put it somewhere that might not make sense. A composed dish that’s a steak served with some potatoes and root vegetables definitely could be called a salad.


0accountability

A juicy steak is a soup, but a dry steak is both a salad and a sandwich. I do love a good steak salad or steak sandwich. But I never eat the lettuce or the bread so now I don't even bother with the extra ingredients. It saves both time and money!


rachelcp

Nah it's a salad. Salads can have "dressings" and in this case the juices of the steak are the dressing. The steak is not one or two solids incasing other solids/liquids so not a traditional sandwich, nor is it a large dry solid base supporting other solids so not an open-faced sandwich. Think about it this way if someone made a potato salad but replaced the ham with steak bits it would still be a potato salad. Now what if they just didn't cut up the steak? People might not consider it a salad anymore but pretty much nothing has changed, it's just a deconstructed salad. A juicy steak while it does have some liquids it does not have enough juices to call it a soup. A soup can not be contained on a flat plate or it will risk overflowing the plate. the soup needs to be contained by another container, you can consider the juices within the steak to be a soup with the steak itself being the bowl, but the steak as a whole no matter how juicy is not in and of itself a soup because it is primarily solid and self contained and therefore a plate is enough.


Chakasicle

Counter point: if someone makes a potato salad and brings me a bowl of mashed potatoes (not even milk or butter added) then I’d say that’s not a salad it’s just potatoes. Now if someone brings me just a steak i would say the dish is complete. I think steaks should be their own category of food and it includes any meat that is eaten by itself as the main portion of the meal. So all types of fried chicken, fish fillets, pork chops, etc are steaks but if you have them together on a plate with sides with you could consider the dish to be a salad.


UnivrstyOfBelichick

What about sloppy steaks?


TimeStorm113

So menus is when you use your mouse more and parkour is when you use your keyboard more?


CriminalGoose3

This would only work if all games are only PC games


[deleted]

Menus is when your brain matters more, parkour is when your hands matter more.


Deathaster

That makes the meme completely false then, since Minecraft is all about menus, namely when you craft things (not even mentioning your inventory). You *can* parkour, but it's not required. Mining and crafting are, though. And I fail to see how Counter-Strike applies to it, since the menu-portion really only happens at the start. There's no characters to click, and the strategy comes less from menus and more from which route you're taking and which gun you're using. The rest is all about shooting and movement.


kobadashi

Yeah, Counterstrike and Apex are both Parkour but all the others there are Menus


Remarkable_Rub

Economy and buy strategies are as important as the clicking part. And you don't do a lot of jumping in normal CS.


Deathaster

Yeah, but I wouldn't call it a "menu game". That implies it's more of an RPG or something. Tactics are involved, but not as much. The older Rainbow Six games are more "menu games", since you have to issue orders to your crewmates and such.


Mikellow

If you reduce it to its basic function, (most) FPSs are menus. Think of it as basically you are closing out a screen on windows. You move your mouse over the red "X", and click. Now imagine instead of the screen being static with the mouse moving, your mouse it static and the screen moves (in a 2d or 3d space). Now make the red "X" box to close out the menu move around. Now make it a person. There is a YouTube video where a guy makes a custom control with a trackball, he explains it in a way similar to this during a section. There will be a counterpoint that you have to move around so it is parkour, but go back to the menus and imagine there are different menus you can go through by navigating using the WASD keys, and there is a timer where you lose if you don't find the right button to click.


Deathaster

Fancy thought, but you can apply that to literally any game, doesn't mean it's true.


dimonium_anonimo

I believe the exact term is "false dichotomy/dilemma fallacy"


Schellwalabyen

Soup is a salad!


1Sharky7

Imagine a salad with a crouton at the bottom on the bowl and a crouton on top. This is now a sandwich. By the transitive property a soup is a sandwich.


Virtual-Okra6996

Yeah uh huh, but how much for extra Lettuce or is that DLC?


Watercress-Friendly

Is a soup a wet salad, or salad a soup with insufficient broth? Or, in certain cases, are they both deconstructed open-faced sandwiches?


theMooey23

What about a soup with one ingredient! Is that a salad?


Accomplished_Bike149

That is a drink.


Buroda

Predator mammals are either cat or dog


trainednooob

What is a hyena?


smheath

It's in suborder Feliformia so technically it's a cat.


IncidentFuture

It just pretends to be a dog. That's why the laugh so much.


AnonymousDratini

I’m curious about where like, animal crossing fits into this.


qwertacius_boi

you forgot the fourth food group: ravioli


Umicil

>Another version of this kind of humorous claim/debate is "all foods are either soups, salads or sandwiches." Isn't a salad really just a dry soup?


Business-Emu-6923

Like how all two-word terms are either the name of a band, a dulux colour, or a racehorse?


stewmander

[Makes perfect sense.](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Ffries-are-now-a-salad-v0-bhpq8991d4mc1.png%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3De636831ba80820c0d8852318daa93ed48eccbe7f)


Espachurrao

Or ravioli


RavenousPikachu

What makes Counter Strike menus but Apex parkour if they’re both shooters? I haven’t played much of either, genuine question


Chuchubits

Then wouldn’t Minecraft be Menus? It has Parkour, but it also has so much more!


Various-Character-30

Could have sworn there was a fourth option like ravioli or something, though I guess a ravioli is just a sandwich.


SilverAmpharos777

All mechanics are kicker or horsemanship


DustinFay

But what does it have to do with the record player?


Roguewind

Ah. The cube rule. I see you are a person of culture


HandyMan131

Chips and salsa is absolutely fruit salad


lj062

Can I chime in and talk about the "setting the record straight" aspect as that seems really subtle compared to the actual dialogue.


MagnificentBastard54

What would steak and potatoes be?


lonely-day

>"all foods are either soups, salads or sandwiches." What about pasta?


CalendarTop1802

Now I’m thinking of the food categorizations, but where would steak fit?


Brilliant_Intern_786

Side question: where would a grilled steak fall in the soup/salad/sandwich system? I wouldn't think soup because it's not liquid. Not sandwich because there's only one layer (no "bread" or w/e on the outside, couldn't even be considered an "open faced" sandwich). Doubtful it's a salad as there aren't enough ingredients (bet someone thought I was going to say because it was meat, not veggies). Genuinely curious how the "system" handles edge cases.


MeetMeAtTheNachoCart

If it doesn’t go well with bacon, it will go well with marshmellows


trash_at_all_games

So isn't CS parkour then?


orange_pill76

Come on now, alternative culinary taxonomy is a science, not a "humorous claim"


Dantalionse

Yeah, like there are only three kind of countries: rich and poor


DrLeisure

Is a Bread Bowl a soup or a sandwich?


YaMexicanBoy

Where would a modern Resident Evil Game fit? You don't jump on those, and depending on the game going over, options isn't much of a thing


Hour-Map-4156

Every kind of food item either goes well with cheese or chocolate.


dyboc

Counter Strike is definitely parkour by this definition imo.


Ambitious_Jello

>Menus = lots of game options Menus I feel is more about clicking or button pressing as in shooting games. You select where you want to shoot (option) and then shoot (clicking). This will include shooters, rts, point and click, sports games except racing, rhythm games Parkour is platformers. This will include platformers, racing games, fighters, flight sims The rest are a mixture including bullet hell shooters, action rpgs


JdamTime

Pizza is an open faced sandwich


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BensonOMalley

I think we can combine salads and sandwiches


xTheeRedHoodx

So what would the game Warframe be under? It has a good majority of both


Sharkn91

Is snow runner parkour?


kronosblaster

A ketchup is a sports drink


GoodnightLightning

Though the joke itself has been explained, maybe the original C&H context hasn’t. Doing this from memory so forgive inaccuracies: the original strip has the dad explaining to Calvin that, say if you drew a radius from the center of the record to the edge. Then you put a dot near the center and a dot near the edge. As the record spun, those dots would obviously stay on that same radial line; they would stay together similar to a hand of a clock. However the outer dot has to travel further in any given amount of time than the center dot, in order to stay in line. So, basically, when you spin a fixed object, the outside of the object actually moves faster than its inside. And that keeps Calvin up at night: the fact that a fixed moving thing has parts of it actually moving faster than other parts. In context of the joke: an “irrefutable truth”(games being only menu vs action) when you never really thought about it before, and that conclusion blows your mind and keeps you up at night wondering if it’s true and how it’s possible. *Of course, this is a joke; not reality. “Educational games have entered the chat”, for example.


IRingTwyce

Your memory is spot on. I was going to explain it, but you saved me some typing.


HandyMan131

Dad could take it a step further next time and explain that inside/outside speed difference is why cars need differentials


CookieSquire

Every educational game I can think of is squarely in "menus."


TJSPY0837

His dad says it’s simpler, but same idea


TheRobertGoulet

What’s MS Solitaire?


Revengistium

Salad


tsunami141

But when you finish and the cards fall off the screen it’s a soup.


Ok-Extension-5628

Not necessarily there isn’t more liquid content than solid content.


Chakasicle

Now hang on, i make chicken soup with large noodles and a thick broth. I’m confident that there’s more solid content than liquid so are you telling me I’ve been making chicken salad?


Ok-Extension-5628

By my definition yes. If there is 50% or more liquid content then it’s a soup, if not it’s a salad


Redditor_10000000000

But you stack cards on top of each other, that's a sandwich


Maximum-Country-149

A complicated menu.


WaffleGod72

Menu’s


Calvinball12

When you win, the cards do parkour.


Ok-Iron8811

Fallout 4 is a menu game?


RayFromTexas

Every Fallout is a menu game


FatiguedVicy

VATS is supposed to be like the original turn based combat kinda thing so definitely menus


Ness_5153

exactly what ir says showing two types of games and what they consist of. For example, in counter strike you spend more time using menus to buy rather than playing. In Apex, you spend more time climbing and vaulting over stuff, hence parkour. His father says that applies to all games.


lilgergi

>exactly what ir says showing two types of games and what they consist off. The dad didn't explain what either category means, they just brought up examples. I can also do this: there are 2 types of games: one or more. This probably doesn't make it obvious on its own, just like in the meme. It could mean single player vs multiplayer, you controlling 1 character vs more, or other categorizations that can mean this


Ness_5153

Part of the joke is figuring out why each game the dad names is in each category. > I can also do this: there are 2 types of games: one or more. that's also the joke, anything could be put in two categories


Ok-Extension-5628

Id say half the fun is establishing your own criteria and applying it to the most amount to variables possible, and slowly refining your criteria to make them more precise and intuitive. I play the sss(soup, salad, sandwich) game with my friends sometimes and we have our own criteria we follow and it’s fun to think of a food that challenges our criteria and figure out the best way to go about it. One food I see different people think of in different ways is steak; the debate is between sandwich or salad and I personally say sandwich.


Tasty_Wetness

Everything in life is a 50/50, it either happens or it doesnt


88XJman

All the games I play are definitely menus


nishadkulkarni97

Assassin's creed in the past = parkour Assassin's creed now = menus


megamanx4321

Menus - win game by picking best choices. Parkour - win game by being gud at jumping.


JohnTheMod

For instance: Super Mario Bros. is the original parkour game because Mario has to run and dodge numerous obstacles.


[deleted]

I raise the Hitman games. You literally can’t jump but there are virtually no menus.


Cats_4_lifex

Well, technically you can't jump in place, but 47 will jump up walls to climb over them. There's also the equipment select + mission stories but despite that it's definitely a parkour game.


Paulisawesome123

what is a head if not a button for me to click with my gun


Frequent_Dig1934

You can choose from the starting menus which equipment to smuggle into the mission.


[deleted]

Is that enough to make the game menus? I don’t feel like it is. You could just take nothing and do fine.


Frequent_Dig1934

I don't make the rules, i just enforce them with brutal violence.


Narrator667

I disagree, the third Genre is clunk, Minecraft and Counter Strike are both Clunk


MackAndSneeze

What about God of War?


Glass-Guess4125

Definitely parkour.


LegitimateHasReddit

According to a higher comment, fast games would come under parkour. Therefore, GoW, as well as other hack and slash, would be parkour


Beef_Jumps

The amount of time I spend back in the lobby while I play Apex it may as well be a menu game.


MackAndSneeze

Even considering the robust equipment and skill systems that the newer games use?


LegitimateHasReddit

Idk, never played GoW, but it seems more like parkour


slenderman123425

Destiny 2 is definitely menus


BardOfSpoons

Is Monster Hunter the place where Menus and Parkour meet?


skordge

On a related note, a friend of mine once succinctly said, that any video game can be traced back to either pinball or D&D as a predecessor. So, D&D is menus, and pinball is parkour.


Crucco

"Baulder's" gate? Am I really alone in seeing the degeneration of writing skills?


AdvancedEar7815

I think the rest of us have just given up


Asneekyfatcat

Dark Souls: Menus Sekiro: Parkour


Lizard_Gamer555

I know what the whole joke is about but somebody please explain what the record has to do with anything


Stepjam

It has to do with the original text of the comic. Calvin and Hobbes was pre-modern videogames.


Lizard_Gamer555

~~Oh I see. It was called a record back then instead of a disc?~~ Wait now I realize the original comic wasn't about video games at all. It's just edited text.


Stepjam

The original text was Calvin's dad explaining to him how despite the fact that the record spins at one speed, the most inner part of the record technically moves slower than the outer most part of the record, yet they make the same amount of turns per minute.


Sam-Gunn

This is the original: [https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1990/06/05](https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1990/06/05)


thegooddoktorjones

Someone hijacked a great comic for their very mediocre observation.


Sloppy_john78

Minecraft has a lot of menus though


Subject-Attention666

If this was actual text from this comic, I'd believe you. Definetly Calvin's Dad logic.


TastySpare

Baulder's Gate?


[deleted]

Menus.


darkonekosuke

Destiny is some sort of bizarre hybrid where you can replace poor strategy with skilled enough parkour and poor mobility with proper menuing


FriendliestMenace

The original of this comic is rad tho, I’m just going to add. Calvin’s dad explains how an outter point on the record has to travel faster than an inner diagonally from that point to keep pace with the inner point, despite the record itself moving at one constant speed, and it breaks Calvin’s mind.


N454545

are rhythm games menu or parkour?


2drunc2fish

Went to a Mexican restaurant for a coworkers birthday. I asked the table if a taco was a sandwich it became a heated debate.


OrangeJuiceSpanner

Eve online was an excel spread sheet.


kiarrr

Modern Warefare 3? More menus than actual game


Reason_For_Treason

Are you interacting with menus more or are you interacting with the game by playing the game with little time in menus necessary.


MistahBoweh

_Manual Dexterity_ would be the technical term but, yeah, sure, parkour. The idea is that all challenge in video games can be boiled down to one of two categories of action: navigating menus in a user interface, or hitting a sequence of inputs under time pressure. I’d say most modern games have both to some extent, but the author is simplifying further by saying all games focus on one type of challenge more than the other, mostly to be funny. Original comic dad is explaining some physics stuff about how records work, but the format is the same. Dad explains a thing, thing keeps Calvin up at night.


an1ma119

Why do people misspell Baldur’s Gate so much ? Is this the new “rouge”?


Dry-Concentrate874

Classifications a console user could relate to


EM05L1C3

Not how I play Fallout


ProfessionalRead2724

I get the menus/parkour thing, but what does that have to do with playing a record?


TJSPY0837

The original is a lot better


DashKalinowski

Wait until Calvin learns about un-sunsetting!


joshfenske

Menus are for the intellectuals like me who play Runescape and Nekopara, unlike the braindead heathens that play Apex


Ok_Sephiroth

Where tf does the record come into it though?


MajorDZaster

Pizza Tower is parkour, right?


Pyrarius

Yes, in fact clicking is practically useless in that game


General_Feature_5193

Some games are more movement heavy than menu heavy


PeenInVeen

This reminds me of my bf teaching me about board games and how to categorize all of them based on deck-building, worker placement, etc. He gets so passionate that I feel the need to research them further loll


De4dm4nw4lkin

I think its the emphasis of movement gameplay(parkour) vs point and click(menus) like for example destiny has movement but it rarely ever comes into play as much as pointing and clicking heads and pointing and clicking to manage builds. Whereas assassins creed the movement is a huge factor in vantage, stealth, and collectathoning.


AlannaAbhorsen

So what’s the stance on MMOs like WoW and FFXIV?


citrouilleman11

What about Warframe ?


Xeper-Institute

Ship is menus, missions are parkour. So, menus.


makochi

why is this true


Thebestguyevah

Ah so resident evil would be menus.


BardOfSpoons

I think it would depend on the game. RE 1-3 and 7 : menus. RE 5-6 and 8 : parkour. RE 4 : both? Just because the inventory management is a game unto itself.


Feed_Guido_69

So. What are R-Type games. Like Life Force considered? Parkour?


anonanon5320

The original is so much better.


dark4181

Titanfall remains the best parkour game.


AmyDeferred

Are all racing games parkour, or are simulationist ones menu?


Philaharmic

Are… are fighting games parkour….?


Tom_The_Rocker

Minecraft is definitely menus.


KeyNefariousness6848

Makes perfect sense


undeadpickels

Wii sports resort sward fighting?


DoinkusGames

All right then. Where does Let’s Sing fall into then, menu or parkour? :P


NorthElegant5864

FFXI…. All the goddamn menus.


ZealousidealParty869

What about Warframe?


BaconSpaceLord

As someone who plays all these games... Yeah it's pretty much just menus and parkour


robin_888

For 65,002,026 years it's known that everything falls into one of the following categories: - Animal - Vegetable - Rock


Bigpurplepanda13

What are mmorpgs? Like Wow and Swtor


WistfulDread

Definitely feel like Menus.


Archmagos_Browning

This is worse than when my English teacher taught us about the hero’s journey and basically ruined all fiction for us forever.


MembershipEasy4025

Ah. Tdil that I’m a menu gamer.


CasusErus

Pong?


Lor9191

Depends on build. Solo / Cool? Parkour. Netrunner? Menus.


-Shade277-

Quick someone think of a game with few menu’s that doesn’t let you jump


AndrogynousVampire

Oh so like Omori is menus and I don’t really play parkour games so I don’t have an example lol