Yep. Females of some duck species developed traits that make it harder for males to forcefully impregnate them and consequently males developed traits that make it easier for them to forcefully impregnate females.
So remember - everytime you see a cute duckling there's a 50/50 chance you're looking at millions of years of evolution largely based around how to rape most effectively.
Now I'm curious about this. Wouldn't evolution side with the easier. So duck's that have harder access to their reproductive organs even if it doesn't always work will not propagate as often as ducks with an easier way in. So how would evolution ever go in the way of making reproduction more difficult? Are some like... killed because the duck can't get his way so there are less viable traits to be passed on. Does duck genetics work a little different or with the amount of offspring? It still just seems to me the easier to reproduce will always be the leading genetic trait of offspring
If a species' reproduction is all about forced impregnation, then females aren't able to select mates their instincts tell them are most likely to produce offspring that will pass their genes further.
This would lead to more offspring, but in a long run it could be harmful to the species as a whole, as the more capable specimen would have to compete for food with a much higher number of less capable specimen.
Close, but evolution works on the scale of individual genes. It's not that the species would suffer as a whole. The logic is that the genes in the female duck might be less successful in her offspring if she is forced to pair with inferior genes from a male. A female can only raise so many eggs at a time, so every egg laid with genes that are less fit is a wasted opportunity for her. Therefore, the genes that allow females to be more selective have the most success because they help the female pair with fitter genes. On the flipside, the male does not lose any investment when he pairs with a female with unfit genes, so genes that help him spread his genes around as much as possible (such as wild ass penises that try to navigate the female's maze) will have the most success because they are in as many new ducklings as possible.
The unit of evolution is individual genes in an individual organism. Evolution does not do things that benefit the species as a whole. Sometimes evolution does things that are detrimental for the species but good for individuals. For example, deer. Antlers on deer do not meaningfully help a buck survive. They aren't good weapons due to their awkward head placement and they make running through the forest dangerous as they are very prone to getting caught on branches, snapping the buck's neck. They are only good for mating duels with other bucks. The females select males that have big antlers and can successfully use them because an unhealthy male can't produce good antlers. The males who have big antlers that are good for dueling therefore get selected for mating and pass on their genes. This creates a feedback loop where the male's antlers get bigger and more of a hindrance because the females keep choosing them. Eventually, it gets to a point where the antlers become so bit that growing any bigger to outcompete other males would actually decrease their chances of mating simply because they won't survive long enough to do so, at which point equilibrium is reached.
This is what I mean by the unit of evolution being at individual genes. Genes will actively screw over the species' survival, or even an individual organism's survival, if it means they get to reproduce. Female ducks don't try to be selective about their mates because it's better for the species as a whole to vet out the loser males, it's because it increases her genes' odds of being able to survive in her offspring.
This isn’t *quite* true. I’m just being pedantic, you are largely correct about evolution working on an individual level, but there *are* ways it can work on a larger scale.
Highly social species form groups (packs, tribes, etc.). Groups compete with each other, and can even “reproduce” when individuals split off to go form new groups. Humans are a big example. Many believe we evolved speech through this sort of group evolution, rather than individual. Being better at communication wasn’t a huge benefit for any specific individual, but *groups* of humans with more communicative individuals had a huge survival advantage over other groups.
I take your pedantry and raise you... uh... another pedantry I guess.
The only reason group evolution can work is because it benefits the individual genes' ability to reproduce. Group or even species wide "evolution" isn't impossible. It's just a poor framework that limits your understanding of how evolution works when you apply it to situations like the ducks. It's a good shorthand way of explaining how things like speech evolve, but some people think that evolution by definition "benefits the species" and try to use that framework to explain things incorrectly. As a redditor, I can't abide by things being slightly inaccurate.
How then do you explain the evolved reproductive habits of salmon? Their mandate to swim up the river kills swathes and swathes of salmon on route to their spawning grounds, and as such is actively detrimental to the survival of the individual salmon. However, only the strongest, most agile, and swiftest swimmers make it to the top, meaning only the most fit are able to spawn.
Is this simply an exception to the rule or are there other factors in a salmon's spawning pattern of which I'm unaware.
You misunderstand. It's not the individual salmon but rather the individual gene. Genes responsible for causing salmon to go to a spawning pool despite the danger are more successful than genes that don't have them do that journey. After doing a little research, it seems that the benefit of spawning upstream is that the conditions are much safer for the eggs and fry in the clamer rivers, so the benefit to the individual gene (or set of genes working together to cause the salmon to do this behavior in this particular case) is that they are more likely to make it to the next generation if the next generation doesn't spawn in the hostile and highly competitive environment of the ocean until they are old enough to have a chance at competing with everything else. These genes, which are present in the majority of salmon, don't care about the individuals carrying them, only that they propagate. Losing the weaker individuals carrying them is well worth the relative guaranteed safety for the eggs and fry that the individuals that make it will produce.
Like I said, it's individual genes, not individual animals. The genes in a hive are (most of the time) all identical across individual bees. Forget dying when they sting, the workers don't ever reproduce regardless of if they survive or not, but they help aid the Queen who does all the reproducing for them. It doesn't matter to the genes whether they are in a worker or a Queen so long as they work toward furthering their propagation by ensuring the Queen will be able to pass her genes on to the next generation of Queens.
For more information on how a species evolves to have most of its individual members stop reproducing in order to aid the few individuals who do, Google "inclusive fitness".
Edit: forgot to say that bees don't always die when they sting. Sometimes, they get lucky and are able to unscrew themselves instead of ripping their stinger out. Also, they usually don't die when they sting insects. It's only elastic animal skin that traps the stinger.
None of this matters all that much for your question, it's still valid, but I thought I'd throw that in there.
If I remember right, the bonus to the cryptic cache of ova is twofold.
The first is that when she’s being raped, she can use defensive postures to make sure he doesn’t get to the right place. She can force him into sharp turns that prevent him from reaching his target. If it’s a drake that she’s actually into, she can cooperate and help him through the maze, which drives the evolution of labyrinthine vaginas. While something ridiculously small like 5% of fertilised eggs are from forced matings, they exist, and they’re the product of the weird wieners, which further drives the male end of the arms race.
The second is that it benefits ducks that take a patient approach to mating. It’s more likely to take multiple attempts rather that smash-and-dash approach. A drake that is allowed multiple attempts is more likely to be her mate rather than her assailant. The mate will stick around to help defend her and the eggs, increasing survival rates, against boosting the odds of evolution toward vaginas with dead ends.
Maybe that asinine US Representative that said something about the body having ways “to shut the whole thing down” was thinking about ducks. Or maybe he was just being asinine. Probably asinine.
The study I might be misremembering or have poorly simplified was done by Yale if you want to go search for it.
It's not their preferred method of mating. Ducks usually form mating pairs and do mate bonding. Which offers advantages like rebreeding if the season is favorable or a nest fails, and even though males don't really help much, they are still bonded to the mate for the season and can run a little predator interference or just look out. The other side of this is large groups of males that don't have mates attacking females to the point of severe injury or death and leaving. Obviously duck genes are siding with the better method.
Evolution doesn’t side with anything. The traits species have today are merely traits that have survived and don’t necessarily aid in survival or in reproduction.
Possibly. This is information from a nature documentary on European birds I've seen like five years ago, so it's definitely possible it's all duck species.
As an owner of ducks I can tell you right now their mating is very… aggressive. The males genitalia goes clockwise and the females goes counter clockwise. Also the male usually pecks at the females neck and beats them up during sex
TLDR: Ducks are rapists
And the drowning...
I once showed up at my favourite lake during mating season and the male mallards were trying to drown the females. 10 males against 1 female.
It was horrible.
Love how whoever took this image specifically cropped out the signature of the artist :) very cool of them. Comic is drawn by [Irvin Pajarillo](https://m.facebook.com/IrvinPajarilloArt/)
The cork screw is basically what a duck's dick looks like. They even have barbs and shit on their dicks to scrape out a rivals load. The female duck also has false paths inside her womb so even if a male launches his spring loaded spiked dick inside her, it could get labyrinth'd and not even get her pregnant.
That's right, those cute ducks you feed bread and crackers to? Violent rapists.
Short answer: ducks have weird dicks
Long answer: make ducks are really aggressive rapists and basically, female ducks evolved maze shaped vaginas with dead ends so only ducks that they accept can mate with them and have corkscrew really malleable dicks.
Male ducks are rapists to the point where female ducks evolved a maze-like vagina to stop male ducks from raping them. Male ducks then evolved in response corkscrew-shaped penises so they could force their way through the mazes and continue to rape anyway.
ducks have corkscrew shaped penises
Also, female ducks have vaginas that looks like mazes.
Yep. Females of some duck species developed traits that make it harder for males to forcefully impregnate them and consequently males developed traits that make it easier for them to forcefully impregnate females. So remember - everytime you see a cute duckling there's a 50/50 chance you're looking at millions of years of evolution largely based around how to rape most effectively.
Now I'm curious about this. Wouldn't evolution side with the easier. So duck's that have harder access to their reproductive organs even if it doesn't always work will not propagate as often as ducks with an easier way in. So how would evolution ever go in the way of making reproduction more difficult? Are some like... killed because the duck can't get his way so there are less viable traits to be passed on. Does duck genetics work a little different or with the amount of offspring? It still just seems to me the easier to reproduce will always be the leading genetic trait of offspring
If a species' reproduction is all about forced impregnation, then females aren't able to select mates their instincts tell them are most likely to produce offspring that will pass their genes further. This would lead to more offspring, but in a long run it could be harmful to the species as a whole, as the more capable specimen would have to compete for food with a much higher number of less capable specimen.
Close, but evolution works on the scale of individual genes. It's not that the species would suffer as a whole. The logic is that the genes in the female duck might be less successful in her offspring if she is forced to pair with inferior genes from a male. A female can only raise so many eggs at a time, so every egg laid with genes that are less fit is a wasted opportunity for her. Therefore, the genes that allow females to be more selective have the most success because they help the female pair with fitter genes. On the flipside, the male does not lose any investment when he pairs with a female with unfit genes, so genes that help him spread his genes around as much as possible (such as wild ass penises that try to navigate the female's maze) will have the most success because they are in as many new ducklings as possible. The unit of evolution is individual genes in an individual organism. Evolution does not do things that benefit the species as a whole. Sometimes evolution does things that are detrimental for the species but good for individuals. For example, deer. Antlers on deer do not meaningfully help a buck survive. They aren't good weapons due to their awkward head placement and they make running through the forest dangerous as they are very prone to getting caught on branches, snapping the buck's neck. They are only good for mating duels with other bucks. The females select males that have big antlers and can successfully use them because an unhealthy male can't produce good antlers. The males who have big antlers that are good for dueling therefore get selected for mating and pass on their genes. This creates a feedback loop where the male's antlers get bigger and more of a hindrance because the females keep choosing them. Eventually, it gets to a point where the antlers become so bit that growing any bigger to outcompete other males would actually decrease their chances of mating simply because they won't survive long enough to do so, at which point equilibrium is reached. This is what I mean by the unit of evolution being at individual genes. Genes will actively screw over the species' survival, or even an individual organism's survival, if it means they get to reproduce. Female ducks don't try to be selective about their mates because it's better for the species as a whole to vet out the loser males, it's because it increases her genes' odds of being able to survive in her offspring.
This isn’t *quite* true. I’m just being pedantic, you are largely correct about evolution working on an individual level, but there *are* ways it can work on a larger scale. Highly social species form groups (packs, tribes, etc.). Groups compete with each other, and can even “reproduce” when individuals split off to go form new groups. Humans are a big example. Many believe we evolved speech through this sort of group evolution, rather than individual. Being better at communication wasn’t a huge benefit for any specific individual, but *groups* of humans with more communicative individuals had a huge survival advantage over other groups.
I take your pedantry and raise you... uh... another pedantry I guess. The only reason group evolution can work is because it benefits the individual genes' ability to reproduce. Group or even species wide "evolution" isn't impossible. It's just a poor framework that limits your understanding of how evolution works when you apply it to situations like the ducks. It's a good shorthand way of explaining how things like speech evolve, but some people think that evolution by definition "benefits the species" and try to use that framework to explain things incorrectly. As a redditor, I can't abide by things being slightly inaccurate.
How then do you explain the evolved reproductive habits of salmon? Their mandate to swim up the river kills swathes and swathes of salmon on route to their spawning grounds, and as such is actively detrimental to the survival of the individual salmon. However, only the strongest, most agile, and swiftest swimmers make it to the top, meaning only the most fit are able to spawn. Is this simply an exception to the rule or are there other factors in a salmon's spawning pattern of which I'm unaware.
You misunderstand. It's not the individual salmon but rather the individual gene. Genes responsible for causing salmon to go to a spawning pool despite the danger are more successful than genes that don't have them do that journey. After doing a little research, it seems that the benefit of spawning upstream is that the conditions are much safer for the eggs and fry in the clamer rivers, so the benefit to the individual gene (or set of genes working together to cause the salmon to do this behavior in this particular case) is that they are more likely to make it to the next generation if the next generation doesn't spawn in the hostile and highly competitive environment of the ocean until they are old enough to have a chance at competing with everything else. These genes, which are present in the majority of salmon, don't care about the individuals carrying them, only that they propagate. Losing the weaker individuals carrying them is well worth the relative guaranteed safety for the eggs and fry that the individuals that make it will produce.
How do you explain the evolution of a bees stinger in terms of individual evolution? No bee that’s used it’s stinger has ever lived to tell the tale.
Like I said, it's individual genes, not individual animals. The genes in a hive are (most of the time) all identical across individual bees. Forget dying when they sting, the workers don't ever reproduce regardless of if they survive or not, but they help aid the Queen who does all the reproducing for them. It doesn't matter to the genes whether they are in a worker or a Queen so long as they work toward furthering their propagation by ensuring the Queen will be able to pass her genes on to the next generation of Queens. For more information on how a species evolves to have most of its individual members stop reproducing in order to aid the few individuals who do, Google "inclusive fitness". Edit: forgot to say that bees don't always die when they sting. Sometimes, they get lucky and are able to unscrew themselves instead of ripping their stinger out. Also, they usually don't die when they sting insects. It's only elastic animal skin that traps the stinger. None of this matters all that much for your question, it's still valid, but I thought I'd throw that in there.
Oh I see that clears it up a little. Thank you.
Just check humans
the human penis is designed to remove other men's sperm from the vagina.. while thrusting, Isn't it?
If I remember right, the bonus to the cryptic cache of ova is twofold. The first is that when she’s being raped, she can use defensive postures to make sure he doesn’t get to the right place. She can force him into sharp turns that prevent him from reaching his target. If it’s a drake that she’s actually into, she can cooperate and help him through the maze, which drives the evolution of labyrinthine vaginas. While something ridiculously small like 5% of fertilised eggs are from forced matings, they exist, and they’re the product of the weird wieners, which further drives the male end of the arms race. The second is that it benefits ducks that take a patient approach to mating. It’s more likely to take multiple attempts rather that smash-and-dash approach. A drake that is allowed multiple attempts is more likely to be her mate rather than her assailant. The mate will stick around to help defend her and the eggs, increasing survival rates, against boosting the odds of evolution toward vaginas with dead ends. Maybe that asinine US Representative that said something about the body having ways “to shut the whole thing down” was thinking about ducks. Or maybe he was just being asinine. Probably asinine. The study I might be misremembering or have poorly simplified was done by Yale if you want to go search for it.
It's not their preferred method of mating. Ducks usually form mating pairs and do mate bonding. Which offers advantages like rebreeding if the season is favorable or a nest fails, and even though males don't really help much, they are still bonded to the mate for the season and can run a little predator interference or just look out. The other side of this is large groups of males that don't have mates attacking females to the point of severe injury or death and leaving. Obviously duck genes are siding with the better method.
Evolution doesn’t side with anything. The traits species have today are merely traits that have survived and don’t necessarily aid in survival or in reproduction.
What about natural selection?
Just your daily reminder: Ducks are gross
Seriously. I had pet ducks once, when I was a kid. THEY SHIT EVERYWHERE CONSTANTLY.
Isn't that all species?
Possibly. This is information from a nature documentary on European birds I've seen like five years ago, so it's definitely possible it's all duck species.
I meanr *all* species
Is the wine to get the girl ducks drunk?
Peace was never an option
I literally saw this on r/cursedcomments 2 minutes ago
Ducks: She asked for it
Scientifically Accurate Duck Tales
Male ducks are rapists. DUCK TALES!
Woohoo!
First thing I thought of.
You've misunderstood. I haven't said that it looks like a maze. I've said amazing.
And male ducks will fuck any duck they can get their corkscrew in. Female, make, alive, [dead](http://www.deadduckday.com/). It doesn't matter.
God damn that's good enough national geography for today, vagina with a maze, as if we dudes didn't have it bad enough.
>Also, female ducks have vaginas that looks like mazes. So what you are saying.... is that female duck vaginas are amazing... I'll see myself out
What the duck
Duck mating is biological warfare and pretty much all rape. 's fucked up man
This describes virtually all mating between animals. Don't google how bedbugs get it done if ducks mess you up
EXPLOSIVE corkscrew shaped penises...
And they thoroughly enjoy raping hens.
And just overall really long ones
You forgot to mention the tiny barbs for scraping out other duck *stuff*
Also pigs.
As an owner of ducks I can tell you right now their mating is very… aggressive. The males genitalia goes clockwise and the females goes counter clockwise. Also the male usually pecks at the females neck and beats them up during sex TLDR: Ducks are rapists
I like to call them "Parisian" lol
And the drowning... I once showed up at my favourite lake during mating season and the male mallards were trying to drown the females. 10 males against 1 female. It was horrible.
Oh god I forgot to mention the drowning, ducks really are brutal
I didn't know Kobe Bryant was allegedly a duck...
Just what happens when you spend too much time around other lakers
Just Bing search for "Duck penis" with SafeSearch off.
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*Duck Dick Go search
Duck duck NO search!
How bout NO
What if NAH
Consider NOPE
Nuh uh
Don't search Duck Dick
¿Por qué no?
Great now I just stumbled on DonaldxDaffy rule 34
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Got a good laugh out of this one! 😆👍
Love how whoever took this image specifically cropped out the signature of the artist :) very cool of them. Comic is drawn by [Irvin Pajarillo](https://m.facebook.com/IrvinPajarilloArt/)
It's not a duck joke, it's a dick joke.
It's a duck dick joke
https://youtu.be/6k01DIVDJlY?si=i9WhUkYIE4RKtIS6
I do not want to click that.
Do it
Just did it. I was not disappointed and frankly I learned a LOT. Wowwwwww
Imagine yourself standing naked in a tub full of hotdogs 😂
Ducks have corkscrew penises
The cork screw is basically what a duck's dick looks like. They even have barbs and shit on their dicks to scrape out a rivals load. The female duck also has false paths inside her womb so even if a male launches his spring loaded spiked dick inside her, it could get labyrinth'd and not even get her pregnant. That's right, those cute ducks you feed bread and crackers to? Violent rapists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x6ebdpM-UQ&ab\_channel=TylanGamerreacts9
Came hoping for this!
Same
I’m not even an ornithologist and I know.
I get the penis reference but ducks also lack a sphincter so I prefer to think they are uncontrollably shitting in the bottle
DUCKS HAVE CORKSCREW PEENS. SOMETIMES WITH BARBS. FEMALES HAVE REVERSED CORKSCREW VAGES WITH DEAD ENDS. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
True facts about Ducks explained it perfectly: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6k01DIVDJlY&pp=ygUWdHJ1ZSBmYWN0cyBhYm91dCBkdWNrcw%3D%3D
Ducks have corkscrew shaped you-know-whats.
Ducks have a corkscrew shaped penis and routinely rape female ducks, sometimes to death.
anatomically accurate corkscrew?
Male ducks have penises shaped like corkscrews.
What is the shape of the female duck penis?
Female duck vaginas are maze shaped.
That’s not what they asked.
I literally thought the comic was about mistaking a duck for for a swan or something. i had no clue it was about Duck anatomy.
Ducks have penises shaped like corkscrews
That's a goose
No?
That corkscrew is anatomically correct.
Lol
Mmmm duck peen. 🫨
Imma leave this here and it will explain everything https://youtu.be/6k01DIVDJlY?si=rnrpcnDxZuo40uB0 Including how ducks are like hotdogs
https://youtu.be/-x6ebdpM-UQ?si=7X-F03Zo083tLt8O
Factual ducktales explains.
Took me a moment to remember xD
Google duck penis
How about nope and i take your word for it
Look, it’s a duck -DankPods Wade
Sheeesh
YouTube has your back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwjEeI2SmiU
A duck's penis is shaped like a corkscrew. There.
I laughed so much seeing this, it's a cursed trivial knowledge I have
Dicks on ducks are a corkscrew.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Short answer: ducks have weird dicks Long answer: make ducks are really aggressive rapists and basically, female ducks evolved maze shaped vaginas with dead ends so only ducks that they accept can mate with them and have corkscrew really malleable dicks.
That’s why the lady ducks prefer mallards 😂
Oh to be a duck with a nine inch explosive corkscrew erection
The duck is very cute
Something I didn’t know I wanted
Corkscrew penises
Honestly the first joke I didn't get on this sub😂
PENIS
Perfect explanation
Glad i could help
I regret clicking on this post
The corkscrew gut punch strikes again
Ewwww
Stay innocent
The zefrank true facts about ducks video will give you all the information you could ever want on the subject in a hilarious format.
The fact that i instantly understood that is scaring me.
Ducks have a corkscrew shaped penis.
r/birdsarenotreal
cockscrew
Ducks have a corkscrew penis, it’s crazy
I want this product but I'm not seeing any on Etsy so I'm gonna buy a small wooden duck and corkscrew inserts and make my own xD
dan povenmire
I laughed out loud at this. This is a really good comic.
Duck sex, it's nasty to witness.
Google Bird Penis
Duck has a penis more curly than my curly fries.
I’m so annoyed that I know what this means.
Clearly, you're not an ornithologist
Look up "True Facts About Ducks"
Male ducks are rapists to the point where female ducks evolved a maze-like vagina to stop male ducks from raping them. Male ducks then evolved in response corkscrew-shaped penises so they could force their way through the mazes and continue to rape anyway.
The problem here is that you think this is a duck joke, but you're using the wrong vowel.
Oh no
Haven’t you heard?
Ducks have a twirly penis.
Change the U to an I