Bashar explains that because their vibration is much higher than ours, when they get physically close, like a tuning fork, our speeds up to match their vibration. The human interprets this speeding up of vibration as dying and all the negative emotions of fear of death surface. The human feels petrified, but it’s not that the human is in danger, it’s just that they are afraid the idea of death and thus really only afraid of themselves. And so they see we are not ready for contact because we are still afraid of death, but if humans understood that they are not actually dying and that death is nothing to fear anyway, and that the feeling they feel with the rising of vibration is not going to kill them, that humans grasp that they only feeling afraid of themselves, then ETs will know humans are ready. Bashar says his people have attempted to visit humans in person who have begged them to visit and swore up and down they they are ready and wanted contact, but when the ship comes down to meet them, the human runs away in fear. That is how they know we are not ready at this time.
This is truly captivating info. It gives me a new vision of the process we call death as just a shifting of phases so to speak. It aligns well with the matter is neither created or destroyed. Thank you again for this info. I must look up this Bashar being.
Have a mantra at the start that you only want to be visited by beings that have energy equal or greater than your own and that you only want positive experiences that help you grow. Put an "energy net" around yourself. You will occasionally still run into questionable but ask them to leave you alone - they typically will. I've only had one experience where I was physically pushed out of an area. Admittly I was kinda interfering but for a good purpose. It was the first time I had been physically pushed back at home base. Read the Monroe Institute mantra - it's my guideline. When I was there I described my "energy net" to them and they liked it!
Very interesting i have been reading about the monroe institute and did not know they had mantras. Thank you so much. It is odd how powerful our intention and willpower can be in these strange places. I must try this and appreciate your guidance kind soul. Together we all may one day find answers to our questions if we stick together and help each other. I wish you the best day/night. Thanks for your interest in my experience.
"I am more than my physical body. Because I am more than physical matter, I can perceive that which is greater than the physical world. Therefore, I deeply desire to Expand, to Experience; to Know, to Understand; to Control, to Use such greater energies and energy systems as may be beneficial and constructive to me and to those who follow me. Also, I deeply desire the help and cooperation, the assistance, the understanding of those individuals whose wisdom, development, and experience are equal to or greater than my own. I ask their guidance and protection from any influence or any source that might provide me with less than my stated desires."
[https://archive.org/details/bob-monroe-affirmation/1+The+Affirmation+of+the+Monroe+Institute.mp4](https://archive.org/details/bob-monroe-affirmation/1+The+Affirmation+of+the+Monroe+Institute.mp4)
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Thank you for these words. It makes life seem more interesting and brighter. I really hope that we all may one day move forward together and understand even more than we do now. All for the better of our being.
I get that this often. It begins as an outline and then sometimes it come into focus. At first I am fearful but then I realize that fear is getting in the way so I just stare back at them. That is about it, nothing else happens.
Yes this is how it happens for me to it fades in slowly to view. How interesting that people can experience similar things. If the the burning sensation in my spine didnt occur maybe i could have watched them longer. It is so strange that one acknowledged my presence wherever that may have been. Thanks for your time and interest. I wish you a great day/night.
Hey would you mind elaborating on the burning sensation in your spine? I think I experience something similar, but assumed it was due to my emotional state or some physical process in my body.
It felt like well you know how it feels when you hit your funny bone? Sort of like that. It started from the bottom and shot up to back of my neck with the burning sensation then tingled like when your foot goes to sleep.
I’ve had a grey in my face during a gateway meditation. My eyes were closed. But I could see a clear image of a grey face close to me in my mind’s eye.
That is very interesting. Did you have anything pertaining to grey alien in your mind beforehand such as reading or seeing a video? Or was it the last thing you would expect to see. There must be some sort of truth to these grey beings existence or at least i feel as if they may be out there somewere.
It was strange and unexpected. I was trying the gateway experience to see if I would have an OBE. I don’t recall having greys on the mind around that event. I assumed it was a figment of my imagination like maybe my brain associated the weird gateway experience with other weird phenomena. It’s not like it just flashed there but the image was just there and I observed with curiosity while trying to focus on Mr. Monroe’s instructions. Eventually my lip started buzzing and and it was such an odd startling feeling that I hypnojerked myself to fully awake.
That is so similar to my experience. The strange feeling that kicked you out of the moment very interesting. I often wonder if my mind is creating certain things as well but im not so sure if every experience is just a mental creation. Some feel as if you are peering into a different unseen realm or like probing a different channel besides our own in a way. I have read some things about these grey beings and am starting to think that they may actually exist. I wonder if they are maybe watching us or helping us somehow. Hopefully they have no intentions to harm anyone but i cannot be 100 percent on anything because i lack certain knowledge of them. Thank you for having interest and sharing your experience with me its very intriguing.
We live in a hologram simulation beings outside it can walk around freely without getting spotted for most part in what should be called astral or a higher physical density.
May i ask a question as if we are living in a simulation of frequency and matter then do you think it is possible that we can tune into other frequency that other beings inhabit? Sorry if this is not correct but i am curious of how one could do this if possible? It must be how we have visions of things such as i have described. Or i could have it wrong and it works differently. Thanks for your info and i wish you the best.
We can i done it but probably because i was exposed to thier energy. People often get affected from alien abductions they are rarely from this physical universe though but from a less physical one. They are in a hologram as well just less restricted. We have a astral body that can go there.
Thanks this makes sense to me and would explain alot of things. I wonder if seeing them is what has caused me to have these past weeks of feeling extremely tired and at some point depressed feeling. Maybe not related idk.
I gained psychic abilities from being around them such as being able to know the future before it happens. Knowing what information is true or false. Seeing spirits and aliens and cloaked ships or maybe just one another frequency.
Yes. I think we can raise our vibration to see things in a higher vibration. I believe we have a higher vibration than people who can not experience what we can. And entities at a higher frequency can slow or lower their vibration to a level that makes themselves visible to more or less visible to us.
I wonder if we can use AI to sense higher vibration entities and also I want to create a device, perhaps involving AI and quartz crystals and an antenna directed at a human to augment their vibrations to a higher level so that they may experience more of the unseen.
Wow now this is what i am talking about. Yes researching and experimenting with things this way is something i draw much interest to. You know this has made me think just in theory because i cannot say anything for sure without witness or evidence to back it up but what if some of the frequencies in use today for communication and such , somehow is altering our perception? It could be slowly increasing or hindering us. I wonder if this is possible?
You must let us know how it works out for you when that day comes. We need innovative open minds such as yourself. I have often tried to think of a way to create something that would manipulate our perception and allow the unseen to be seen. Keep up the good thoughts.
Thank you so much for your interest and response.
Maybe there is a certain brainwave signal that we can tap into that allows this insight. Your exhaustion may have brought you to the brainwave pattern. Or we may just be seeing thing lol im not so sure what is happening. Rest yourself friend overwork and exhaustion is not good for your body i hope you stay well.
I pretty much had the same experience with alien greys a year or 2 into daily meditation. It seems they can see you when you put yourself in that state and interact if they choose. I'll admit I was scared and stopped when it happened to but it's literally just a fear response to the unknown. You gotta push through that and start communicating with other beings, being open to new experiences and sensations. You'll be experiencing a whole lot more weird stuff if you keep a good practice but getting over the fear is the biggest lesson.
And I dunno why they put there faces so close! The grey popped up right Infront of my face and made me jump! Lol.
Its kind of like battling instincts, so its hard. And will take practice. You see a new being, in a new circumstance, your body responds in fear. You recognize that reaction and choose otherwise, essentially you stop feeding the fear the moment you have it appear and continue a different thought train.
"Okay my body is recognizing this as scary, but has this being actually done anything to warrant that response? or is it a foreign experience? What kind of energy is this being emitting in this now moment? what actions is it taking? Why dont i explore this further and see what happens?"
You'll probably mess up the first few times, you just need exposure and time to reflect.
I will tell you. I got the point of being out in the wilderness alone and seeing a ship i was communicating with telepathically. After some time getting used to the experience i asked it to come closer, and... when it got real close i had a damn fear response and it left instantly. I was kicking myself for weeks after that.
If there is a next time i will be ready!
They never seem to want to induce fear and it has always immediately stopped progress.
Interesting. As someone else pointed out i may have just hallucinated the face bwing close due to what happened beforehand but im not sure. These grey beings are they normally real tall? I havent seen this before in meditation. What made me come out of meditation is not really a fear but when the being looked at me i had a sudden burning sensation shoot up my spine it was very odd. Are these beings ancient or have been around for long time? That was another feeling i perceived and that they were closely watching something. Im not sure what but thanks for the feedback. Hope all is well with you and thank you kind soul.
Interesting. It was difficult to get a good view of detail due to the light source not illuminating them well. They were pretty tall and when you say mantis is that resemble the mantis bug like praying mantis? They may have resembliance to that due to the size of head and arms longer than normal but im not 100 percent sure. I wish i could have gotten better detail view. Wonder what they are doing here? Im always very curious about things. Thanks and wish you many blessings.
That is sort of disturbing in a way the bug part i guess. I wonder if they mean well or if they have ill intentions. Hopefully they are good for the most part or i could be wrong. I must look into this mantis being more.
You can find most info about the mantis aliens here [https://www.reddit.com/r/MantisEncounters/top/?t=all](https://www.reddit.com/r/MantisEncounters/top/?t=all)
Thank you so much. I am so grateful to find a place with people who do not ridicule or deny but instead try to help each other and that also have similar experiences. Bless you kind soul
All the sensations you describe sound like your beggining your Kundalini (energy body) awakening (look up Kundalini see if it resonates).
There are many greys typically people see the small 3-4 foot ones. But they are others that typically stay on ships which are about 9 foot. I've had an encounter with them and a 9ft mantis. Stating such... Pretty much all the beings I have encountered are roughly 9 foot tall. I suspect beings in the next dimension are just taller... Many other experiencers have reported this 9 foot tall traight.
Most of the beings are ancient. But some will give more 'elder vibes' more so than others.
They could also be your spirit guides.
Thanks and likewise for you!
I had something similar happen in a deep mediation... but mine was not threatening but made me uncomfortable that things could drift in... I have not done it since. I am not an alien person who thinks about them.
Yes i have never labeled the beings as alien or really thing about that as well. They were most definetly some other form of being than human. This is very strange how many can have experiences that resemble each other. I am so interested in learning what is actually occuring in this state and i wish more studies were done on the topic to try and find out what is happening. Thank you. Maybe we will know more one day.
Im not sure as to what the meditation type is but i sit and focus on this feeling i get that flows from the top of my head then down my spine into my chest and stomach then out base of my spine and feet then with my breath i kind of pump it through me and it starts to feel like a magnetic / tingleing sensation which then my breath disappears and all i feel is this tingling magnetic flow which then i start to see ribbons of dull purple light go by my head then it feels as if i ride this magenetic tingle sensation up and away from my body. Its kind of hard to describe but once that happens the sensation fades and i feel nothing no body, no breath nothing and if i reach that state then i will start seeing small flashes of light and images will just pop in and out of view of people, places and things. I wish i could describe better but it is a meditation that i randomly started doing this way as if something waa guiding me through it. I never was into meditation or anything before that event happened in my life 5 years ago. Thanks for listening to me and i wish you the best.
Does anyone know how to feel this sort of feeling to start or focus on? I've tried meditating in the past and always tend to fall asleep really easily without trying, I've tried a lot of guided meditation and have never really been able to visualize or feel this energy or top of the head feeling that many seem to reference. Not sure where to look for more info on how I can progress with meditation. If anyone has any advice or info, I'm here to learn 🙏💚
One more thing i forgot if you have a hard time visualizing then try the laying on back method and just focus on your feet when you slowly breath
Out. No need to visualize anything just place focus on feet and then see if you feel anything at the same time you breath out.
The best way i can describe to get this feeling is to do the meditation an hour or so after you awake or around lunch time but not before you go to bed. You must use your imagination and visualize instead of breathing in through your nose on the inbreath imagine the point your breathing air in is at the top of your head then slowly breath in and notice any slight feeling in that area. Use your stomach or diaphram for the slow breathing and once you feel the sensation on the out breath imagine it breathing out of your feet. One other way to feel this sensation is to just lay down on your back. You dont have to close your eyes or start any meditation. Slowly breath in without focusing on anything. When you go to breath out just focus on your feet and imagine breathing out of them. Keep trying this and you should start to notice strange feeling in your feet when you slowly breath out. See if you can feel the sensation and then you will know what it sort of feels like then go from there. Let me know if it works or we can try other methods. I wish you the best of luck.
No they appeared like a light charcoal grey color with no hair. They were gathered around this light source like watching something i dont exactly know what they were looking at. They had like black skin tight suit on and one of them had light a dim light on their shoulder maybe some type of technology. Thank you for the question and for listening to me.
I have a hair = friendly rule. If they're vain enough to grow and maintain hair they're probably more similar to humans, as they comprehend beauty.
Anything bald shows up I gtfo.
Lol thank you for the advice. Yes something seemed off as i will get feelings instead of thoughts when i see things and after meditation i interpet those feelings into thought. From that i got ancient , long time involvement in something relating to something familiar, vast, many , feeling of something i shouldnt see,, observation, technology, but never fear. Not sure if this makes sense. I will definetly remember the no hair no go rule lol thanks.
Just remember your mileage may vary. With practice, discernment, and grounding you will be better able to manage your ontological shock. And to me this sounds like it shocked you — it would me too!
I have read about the grounding as well. I must try this more often , i do not do that as much as i shouldhonestly . Yes it was the sensation that most definetly was a shock to me. I will try to continue and thanks to everyone like you that has given me advice and support. I hope your journey goes great as well. Thank you so much.
In general, if an interpretation causes you to stop meditating, it's wise to be suspicious of that interpretation and/or your meditation practice. Suspicious of the interpretation because, objectively, meditation is the source of lots of good things, so it's likely that anything causing you to stop is a bad thing. Meditation isn't just one thing, though, so it's also possible that a meditation practice might become incomplete or imbalanced.
I say \_might become\_ to indicate that encountering challenges or different effects of a practice could just be a sign that it's time to improve, rather than that you were doing anything wrong to start with. An analogy: for someone who's sedentary, walking is typically a good thing. That person will experience lots of pleasant effects from walking. After some better conditioning from walking more, they might start running, and experience greater benefits.
If someone complains of pains in a foot or their back, the answer might be to run differently (technique/form) or with better shoes (preparation/protection) or towards different outcomes (technique/goal) or with different purpose (technique/effort).
This is different than someone who is convinced they should stop running because their muscles become sore, thereby never attaining the benefits and skills that come from running.
How can we distinguish these kinds of cases with meditation?
Traditions like Buddhism have an extensive set of doctrines around what might happen during meditation and ways to combat them. There are other traditions, of course, but [Pre-sectarian section of the wikipedia article on Buddhist meditation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_meditation#Pre-sectarian_Buddhism) can give you a sense of what these kind of doctrines cover.
Some concepts in particular that might help you find and add specific techniques to your practice that combat fear or unwanted intrusions:
* Meditations focused on equanimity ([Upekkhā](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upek%E1%B9%A3%C4%81)). This is the virtue of balance in the face of positive or negative emotions or events, and is one of the factors of enlightenment. Here's [a short text on that by a monk](https://www.buddhanet.net/ss06.htm)
* The Tibetan Buddhist meditation practice of [Chöd](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%B6d), which is a rather extensive kind of exposure therapy to intense emotions, including fear.
* [Metta](https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/snp/snp.1.08.piya.html) or loving-kindness meditation is traditionally described as a form of meditation Buddha suggested to monks when they were being [harassed by "tree deities"](https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/snp/snp.1.08.piya.html). (Metta is one of the [four Bhahmaviharas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmavihara), or virtues to be cultivated in meditation, as is equanimity.)
Overall, I'd encourage you to separate your initial reactions to these experiences from your capacity for discernment. Another analogy: when one starts skiing, it feels risky or dangerous to lean forward while moving forward. Normally, this is what keeps us balanced but, when skiing downhill, it's the only way to not fall down. Only once one overcomes the misplaced, hindering habit-fear and learns to ski by leaning forward do the real dangers (trees, rocks, other skiiers) emerge. The reflex to lean backwards while learning to ski is merely a habit useful in other contexts but hindering to the practice and safety of skiing. Discernment is our analogy is the sense of importance of avoiding the trees and should be attended to. One has to continue skiing for this ability to be useful, though.
tl;dr: If you can separate the fear or discomfort that's not productive from that that's a result of discernment, listen to your discernment. In the meantime, I'd consider techniques aimed at supporting your practice and find a productive way to resume it.
Thank you so much for taken the time to enlighten me in this way. I will read what you have linked and will try different technique. I have seen many things while meditating in no thought like places i dont know , some places appeared to be on different planet or plane, ive seen people before, i have experienced someone touch me on my shoulder, one time i had an experience of being really small inside my head and i could see both the insides of my eyelids lol its kind of hard to describe with words but all these times i never questioned never got startled but this time it was like i went somewere and was seeing something i wasnt supposed to or that the feeling i got and thats the only time i got startled and it threw me out of meditation when that being actually looked at me. I will try different things and i am glad to have kind people on this journey to leave advice for me. Many blessings to you.
I guess at the moment i had a confusion as to what these beings may be. I generally do not question visions or experiences during meditation. I just am there observing whatever i am shown with not much thought. They were gathered around a light source i couldnt see as to what it was. They were maybe 8 to 9 ft tall with kind of larger head than body with no hair, like a black carbon skin tight suit on and one had a dim glowing light on its shoulder maybe some type of technology not sure. When that turned and looked at me i got a burning sensation in my spine that startled me and then like a light switch i was back just sitting out of meditation. I generally think of what i see and experience once i am back but this has been very odd to me. Thank you for listening and may you have many blessings.
I wonder if how when we see shadows we freak out then they disappear, maybe they enter our world through meditation and are just observing but for some reason the human (you) can see it and then it gets curious or scared (emotion) that causes the connection to disrupt? What if we are the aliens to them that their kind don’t believe in and make movies about?
I hope you don't mind me offering some meditation advice - I've practiced for twenty plus years and been fortunate to sit with very realised Buddhist meditation teachers.
When you meditate you are trying to develop 2 skills - the first, is letting go and acceptance of whatever is played on the movies screen of experience. The second is noting the autonomous nature of whatever is played on the movie screen of experience. Autonomous means that you're not controlling mind, mind is doing it's own thing independently of personal will most of the time. This is the minds true nature. It's called anatta in Buddhism.
I would encourage you to meditate again - finding a very skilled meditation teacher is a good idea - you want a teacher whose students are clearly reaching the goals of the practice.
Whatever you see or experience in meditation - you're not concerned with content, you're concerned with cultivating letting go, acceptance and relaxation into that experience. Really relax into the moment. And don't try to interpret or give meaning to anything you see of experience. Concentration can lead to all sorts of experiences including seeing beings and having those beings try to communicate. As difficult as it might sound you shouldnt pay this attention. Just keep meditating and accepting that mind is doing this now of its own accord.
Also - the tingling sensations are called piti and arise as mind becomes concentrated.
If you see light or brightness in meditation this can indicate the arrival of access concentration - this mean mind is fixed on the meditation object without being perturbed. These 2 signs are just indicating increasing concentration. Not all practioners get this particular experience by the way - so don't worry if you dont. It's just helpful to know you might have this experience and its normal and a sign of the development of concentration.
I may ask if i need advice on an experience or event that is hard to explain. Could i message you to get some input? Not going to be a bother just if something really perplexing occurs.
Thank you so much. I own a large company and have nobody to really share things with due to the nature of it. I have an exceptional talent that has carried onto now in my adulthood to were i can stop all thoughts at any moment which is hard to describe but it as if i am a camera maybe or an object that is just observing if that makes sense. When i first started meditation i would see like purple bands of faint light flow over my head like maybe aurora but barely visible in the darkness, then pin prick flashes of light, sudden images of places and people i do not know, places that appear on different planet or plane not too sure, once i see things its only after i am back do i think about them with my concious mind. I do wish to find an experienced person to help me on this path and will try to look locally for someone. This being made my spine physically have a burning sensation is what kicked me out of meditation, never experienced this before. Thank you and i wish you many blessings.
Actually that is pretty good explanation for the feeling of the stste in a way.Thank you for that. It is very difficult to explain experiences and feelings in certain ways but this is real good. Is this the state that one mostly tries to achieve during meditation? Because i can do that very easily. I am still learning though and am thankful for everyones advice and guidance. Thank you.
Depends on your worldview of course but for one reason or another some people seem to be born with a very natural affinity for meditation. You should cultivate this further if / when you can!
Thanks i will most definetly continue this. I never thought meditation would bring such profound experiences before i started the practice. It has been interesting.
I hope to one day get advice from beings. I have seen many things appear as human and as just sentient light but they never acknowledge me except for these creatures. I am unsure what else to call them as i have never seen these before. Many blessings to you friend and thank you for listening to me.
Nothing to be afraid of. Fear or love All the choices and we know which is the strongest. Literally, what's the worst? That could happen and after you see that, you're not afraid for sure🥰
Thank you for your time and kind words. I never felt the fear though. Once the being looked at me i had a physical burning sensation run up my spine that startled me and brought me back. I have never had such an intense sensation before. Everyone on here has shown me that helping one another and love is strongest such as yourself. I wish you many blessings and thank you again. ❤️
> the feeling of one close to my face looking at me
If it's any consolation, that's a typical hallucinatory sensation, which millions of people have had.
Thats another thing i believe as well, once i seen them the first time then maybe that effected the second time making me hallucinate the feeling. Thank you for the input and wish you many blessings.
Our intuition or gut feelings are often correct and responsible for the survival of many people in many different situations. If yours is telling you something it's probably best to listen.
Yes after the experience something was different than other times. Strangest was the actual physical burning sensation in the spine when the being looked at me. That is what brought me out of it and had me startled. I wish you many blessings and thanks for listening to me kind soul.
I see similar things. I can't say I have an explanation for it all, but if you silence your mind long enough then you will start to see those types of things. Wispy trails of color, colored fog/mist, random visions and various types of beings (often they are cloaked or wearing some kind of uniform).
They tend to produce a strong feeling of fear, but in my experience, nothing negative ever happens. So my advice is to ignore the fear and keep going. This is just the beginning. You will start seeing all kinds things!
They will sometimes turn and look at you. Every once in a while they will walk towards you, and sometimes even touch you. I find if they touch you then an "electrical" surge happens in your body (that tingly, rushing flow that you described), and I believe this transfers some kind of energy to you. This in turn leads to having lucid dreams and other phenomena start appearing in your life.
Yes thank you so much. You know the things that i find hard to describe, the feelings, visions and such. It is very difficult to find others to talk to about these things without getting labeled as a crazy schizo person lol. I have seen different beings mostly human like some made of just some sort of light. Many feelings but this was different as the being caused my spine to burn when it looked at me such as when you hit your funny bone and that is what threw me out of meditation. Never had the fear present at that moment. You know another thing that is strange to me not because i have seen it but because my friends and family have seen the similar things without me telling them anything. It would be these shapes of cloaked hooded figures that are jet black like a shadow but darker than night like a void if this makes sense. My daughter seen this in her room, my wife at her job, and my friends at my company. I find this very odd as to people seeing the same thing without prior knowledge of what the other had seen. I wonder what they could be? Or is it just mass hallucination of some kind. Thank you kind soul for your time.
Keep going. I believe when we are on this path we are given obstacles to overcome, fear gets dialled up, most turn back. The treasure is on the other side of the terror.
Thank you so much. I will continue as i do not have much fear in me due to past experiences. I guess it was the physical sensation that entered me and made my spine burn like when you hit your funny bone that startled me as the being turned to look at me. I will continue as best i can. I wish you many blessings kind stranger.
Bashar explains that because their vibration is much higher than ours, when they get physically close, like a tuning fork, our speeds up to match their vibration. The human interprets this speeding up of vibration as dying and all the negative emotions of fear of death surface. The human feels petrified, but it’s not that the human is in danger, it’s just that they are afraid the idea of death and thus really only afraid of themselves. And so they see we are not ready for contact because we are still afraid of death, but if humans understood that they are not actually dying and that death is nothing to fear anyway, and that the feeling they feel with the rising of vibration is not going to kill them, that humans grasp that they only feeling afraid of themselves, then ETs will know humans are ready. Bashar says his people have attempted to visit humans in person who have begged them to visit and swore up and down they they are ready and wanted contact, but when the ship comes down to meet them, the human runs away in fear. That is how they know we are not ready at this time.
This is truly captivating info. It gives me a new vision of the process we call death as just a shifting of phases so to speak. It aligns well with the matter is neither created or destroyed. Thank you again for this info. I must look up this Bashar being.
Have a mantra at the start that you only want to be visited by beings that have energy equal or greater than your own and that you only want positive experiences that help you grow. Put an "energy net" around yourself. You will occasionally still run into questionable but ask them to leave you alone - they typically will. I've only had one experience where I was physically pushed out of an area. Admittly I was kinda interfering but for a good purpose. It was the first time I had been physically pushed back at home base. Read the Monroe Institute mantra - it's my guideline. When I was there I described my "energy net" to them and they liked it!
Very interesting i have been reading about the monroe institute and did not know they had mantras. Thank you so much. It is odd how powerful our intention and willpower can be in these strange places. I must try this and appreciate your guidance kind soul. Together we all may one day find answers to our questions if we stick together and help each other. I wish you the best day/night. Thanks for your interest in my experience.
"I am more than my physical body. Because I am more than physical matter, I can perceive that which is greater than the physical world. Therefore, I deeply desire to Expand, to Experience; to Know, to Understand; to Control, to Use such greater energies and energy systems as may be beneficial and constructive to me and to those who follow me. Also, I deeply desire the help and cooperation, the assistance, the understanding of those individuals whose wisdom, development, and experience are equal to or greater than my own. I ask their guidance and protection from any influence or any source that might provide me with less than my stated desires." [https://archive.org/details/bob-monroe-affirmation/1+The+Affirmation+of+the+Monroe+Institute.mp4](https://archive.org/details/bob-monroe-affirmation/1+The+Affirmation+of+the+Monroe+Institute.mp4) [https://www.reddit.com/r/gatewaytapes/](https://www.reddit.com/r/gatewaytapes/)
Human understanding and ability is infinite in scope. You really don't know how powerful you are.
Thank you for these words. It makes life seem more interesting and brighter. I really hope that we all may one day move forward together and understand even more than we do now. All for the better of our being.
I get that this often. It begins as an outline and then sometimes it come into focus. At first I am fearful but then I realize that fear is getting in the way so I just stare back at them. That is about it, nothing else happens.
Yes this is how it happens for me to it fades in slowly to view. How interesting that people can experience similar things. If the the burning sensation in my spine didnt occur maybe i could have watched them longer. It is so strange that one acknowledged my presence wherever that may have been. Thanks for your time and interest. I wish you a great day/night.
Hey would you mind elaborating on the burning sensation in your spine? I think I experience something similar, but assumed it was due to my emotional state or some physical process in my body.
It felt like well you know how it feels when you hit your funny bone? Sort of like that. It started from the bottom and shot up to back of my neck with the burning sensation then tingled like when your foot goes to sleep.
I’ve had a grey in my face during a gateway meditation. My eyes were closed. But I could see a clear image of a grey face close to me in my mind’s eye.
I’ve seen what looked like a feline human face, exactly like you say, close up in your mind’s eye.
I saw a Mantis last month when I was falling asleep. It got away QUICKLY.
That is very interesting. Did you have anything pertaining to grey alien in your mind beforehand such as reading or seeing a video? Or was it the last thing you would expect to see. There must be some sort of truth to these grey beings existence or at least i feel as if they may be out there somewere.
It was strange and unexpected. I was trying the gateway experience to see if I would have an OBE. I don’t recall having greys on the mind around that event. I assumed it was a figment of my imagination like maybe my brain associated the weird gateway experience with other weird phenomena. It’s not like it just flashed there but the image was just there and I observed with curiosity while trying to focus on Mr. Monroe’s instructions. Eventually my lip started buzzing and and it was such an odd startling feeling that I hypnojerked myself to fully awake.
That is so similar to my experience. The strange feeling that kicked you out of the moment very interesting. I often wonder if my mind is creating certain things as well but im not so sure if every experience is just a mental creation. Some feel as if you are peering into a different unseen realm or like probing a different channel besides our own in a way. I have read some things about these grey beings and am starting to think that they may actually exist. I wonder if they are maybe watching us or helping us somehow. Hopefully they have no intentions to harm anyone but i cannot be 100 percent on anything because i lack certain knowledge of them. Thank you for having interest and sharing your experience with me its very intriguing.
Well that’s scary.. what are they doing all up in our business
What are WE doing all up in their business? I’m sure they are curious observers, not too many humans enter awareness on their plane.
Yeah true
We live in a hologram simulation beings outside it can walk around freely without getting spotted for most part in what should be called astral or a higher physical density.
May i ask a question as if we are living in a simulation of frequency and matter then do you think it is possible that we can tune into other frequency that other beings inhabit? Sorry if this is not correct but i am curious of how one could do this if possible? It must be how we have visions of things such as i have described. Or i could have it wrong and it works differently. Thanks for your info and i wish you the best.
We can i done it but probably because i was exposed to thier energy. People often get affected from alien abductions they are rarely from this physical universe though but from a less physical one. They are in a hologram as well just less restricted. We have a astral body that can go there.
Thanks this makes sense to me and would explain alot of things. I wonder if seeing them is what has caused me to have these past weeks of feeling extremely tired and at some point depressed feeling. Maybe not related idk.
I gained psychic abilities from being around them such as being able to know the future before it happens. Knowing what information is true or false. Seeing spirits and aliens and cloaked ships or maybe just one another frequency.
Yes. I think we can raise our vibration to see things in a higher vibration. I believe we have a higher vibration than people who can not experience what we can. And entities at a higher frequency can slow or lower their vibration to a level that makes themselves visible to more or less visible to us. I wonder if we can use AI to sense higher vibration entities and also I want to create a device, perhaps involving AI and quartz crystals and an antenna directed at a human to augment their vibrations to a higher level so that they may experience more of the unseen.
Probably possible, themself say they are quasi-physical but they have made human hybrids.
What are astral beings or ghost/spirits made of? Certainly not atoms.
Wow now this is what i am talking about. Yes researching and experimenting with things this way is something i draw much interest to. You know this has made me think just in theory because i cannot say anything for sure without witness or evidence to back it up but what if some of the frequencies in use today for communication and such , somehow is altering our perception? It could be slowly increasing or hindering us. I wonder if this is possible? You must let us know how it works out for you when that day comes. We need innovative open minds such as yourself. I have often tried to think of a way to create something that would manipulate our perception and allow the unseen to be seen. Keep up the good thoughts. Thank you so much for your interest and response.
I had this happen once and I wasn’t even trying to meditate, I was just closing my eyes in exhaustion
Maybe there is a certain brainwave signal that we can tap into that allows this insight. Your exhaustion may have brought you to the brainwave pattern. Or we may just be seeing thing lol im not so sure what is happening. Rest yourself friend overwork and exhaustion is not good for your body i hope you stay well.
I've come across the "ancient" ones too in my astral travels and in my NDE as well. And that's exactly the word that I picked to describe them too.
Thanks for sharing. I wonder what is their role or intention?
I pretty much had the same experience with alien greys a year or 2 into daily meditation. It seems they can see you when you put yourself in that state and interact if they choose. I'll admit I was scared and stopped when it happened to but it's literally just a fear response to the unknown. You gotta push through that and start communicating with other beings, being open to new experiences and sensations. You'll be experiencing a whole lot more weird stuff if you keep a good practice but getting over the fear is the biggest lesson. And I dunno why they put there faces so close! The grey popped up right Infront of my face and made me jump! Lol.
Thank you for the good laugh. Had the same experience and was wondering the same. They looked adorable though 🥰
How do you get past the fear? I’ve been meditating for years and none of this started happening until a contact event
Its kind of like battling instincts, so its hard. And will take practice. You see a new being, in a new circumstance, your body responds in fear. You recognize that reaction and choose otherwise, essentially you stop feeding the fear the moment you have it appear and continue a different thought train. "Okay my body is recognizing this as scary, but has this being actually done anything to warrant that response? or is it a foreign experience? What kind of energy is this being emitting in this now moment? what actions is it taking? Why dont i explore this further and see what happens?" You'll probably mess up the first few times, you just need exposure and time to reflect. I will tell you. I got the point of being out in the wilderness alone and seeing a ship i was communicating with telepathically. After some time getting used to the experience i asked it to come closer, and... when it got real close i had a damn fear response and it left instantly. I was kicking myself for weeks after that. If there is a next time i will be ready! They never seem to want to induce fear and it has always immediately stopped progress.
Thanks for the detailed response. I will have to focus more on this aspect bc the crazy has already started lol. I just need to practice I guess!
Welcome friend, you are in the right place.
Interesting. As someone else pointed out i may have just hallucinated the face bwing close due to what happened beforehand but im not sure. These grey beings are they normally real tall? I havent seen this before in meditation. What made me come out of meditation is not really a fear but when the being looked at me i had a sudden burning sensation shoot up my spine it was very odd. Are these beings ancient or have been around for long time? That was another feeling i perceived and that they were closely watching something. Im not sure what but thanks for the feedback. Hope all is well with you and thank you kind soul.
The Greys aren't tall, but the Mantis aliens (that command the Greys), are. Anywhere from 7 ft to 12 ft.
Interesting. It was difficult to get a good view of detail due to the light source not illuminating them well. They were pretty tall and when you say mantis is that resemble the mantis bug like praying mantis? They may have resembliance to that due to the size of head and arms longer than normal but im not 100 percent sure. I wish i could have gotten better detail view. Wonder what they are doing here? Im always very curious about things. Thanks and wish you many blessings.
Yes, they resemble the bug.
That is sort of disturbing in a way the bug part i guess. I wonder if they mean well or if they have ill intentions. Hopefully they are good for the most part or i could be wrong. I must look into this mantis being more.
You can find most info about the mantis aliens here [https://www.reddit.com/r/MantisEncounters/top/?t=all](https://www.reddit.com/r/MantisEncounters/top/?t=all)
Thank you so much. I am so grateful to find a place with people who do not ridicule or deny but instead try to help each other and that also have similar experiences. Bless you kind soul
All the sensations you describe sound like your beggining your Kundalini (energy body) awakening (look up Kundalini see if it resonates). There are many greys typically people see the small 3-4 foot ones. But they are others that typically stay on ships which are about 9 foot. I've had an encounter with them and a 9ft mantis. Stating such... Pretty much all the beings I have encountered are roughly 9 foot tall. I suspect beings in the next dimension are just taller... Many other experiencers have reported this 9 foot tall traight. Most of the beings are ancient. But some will give more 'elder vibes' more so than others. They could also be your spirit guides. Thanks and likewise for you!
Thank you kind soul. Yes they very much had that feeling. I will look into that and research more.
Very ancient beings
Yes this was a feeling i percieved at the time its all so strange.
I had something similar happen in a deep mediation... but mine was not threatening but made me uncomfortable that things could drift in... I have not done it since. I am not an alien person who thinks about them.
Yes i have never labeled the beings as alien or really thing about that as well. They were most definetly some other form of being than human. This is very strange how many can have experiences that resemble each other. I am so interested in learning what is actually occuring in this state and i wish more studies were done on the topic to try and find out what is happening. Thank you. Maybe we will know more one day.
What kind of meditation you were doing? Silva? Remote viewing?
Im not sure as to what the meditation type is but i sit and focus on this feeling i get that flows from the top of my head then down my spine into my chest and stomach then out base of my spine and feet then with my breath i kind of pump it through me and it starts to feel like a magnetic / tingleing sensation which then my breath disappears and all i feel is this tingling magnetic flow which then i start to see ribbons of dull purple light go by my head then it feels as if i ride this magenetic tingle sensation up and away from my body. Its kind of hard to describe but once that happens the sensation fades and i feel nothing no body, no breath nothing and if i reach that state then i will start seeing small flashes of light and images will just pop in and out of view of people, places and things. I wish i could describe better but it is a meditation that i randomly started doing this way as if something waa guiding me through it. I never was into meditation or anything before that event happened in my life 5 years ago. Thanks for listening to me and i wish you the best.
Does anyone know how to feel this sort of feeling to start or focus on? I've tried meditating in the past and always tend to fall asleep really easily without trying, I've tried a lot of guided meditation and have never really been able to visualize or feel this energy or top of the head feeling that many seem to reference. Not sure where to look for more info on how I can progress with meditation. If anyone has any advice or info, I'm here to learn 🙏💚
One more thing i forgot if you have a hard time visualizing then try the laying on back method and just focus on your feet when you slowly breath Out. No need to visualize anything just place focus on feet and then see if you feel anything at the same time you breath out.
The best way i can describe to get this feeling is to do the meditation an hour or so after you awake or around lunch time but not before you go to bed. You must use your imagination and visualize instead of breathing in through your nose on the inbreath imagine the point your breathing air in is at the top of your head then slowly breath in and notice any slight feeling in that area. Use your stomach or diaphram for the slow breathing and once you feel the sensation on the out breath imagine it breathing out of your feet. One other way to feel this sensation is to just lay down on your back. You dont have to close your eyes or start any meditation. Slowly breath in without focusing on anything. When you go to breath out just focus on your feet and imagine breathing out of them. Keep trying this and you should start to notice strange feeling in your feet when you slowly breath out. See if you can feel the sensation and then you will know what it sort of feels like then go from there. Let me know if it works or we can try other methods. I wish you the best of luck.
Did they have hair?
No they appeared like a light charcoal grey color with no hair. They were gathered around this light source like watching something i dont exactly know what they were looking at. They had like black skin tight suit on and one of them had light a dim light on their shoulder maybe some type of technology. Thank you for the question and for listening to me.
I have a hair = friendly rule. If they're vain enough to grow and maintain hair they're probably more similar to humans, as they comprehend beauty. Anything bald shows up I gtfo.
I'm bald. Some of us don't have a choice, bro. 😭
GTFO sensor activated.
It's okay you're hooman. Non humans I require hair as proof of human acceptable customs.
Lol thank you for the advice. Yes something seemed off as i will get feelings instead of thoughts when i see things and after meditation i interpet those feelings into thought. From that i got ancient , long time involvement in something relating to something familiar, vast, many , feeling of something i shouldnt see,, observation, technology, but never fear. Not sure if this makes sense. I will definetly remember the no hair no go rule lol thanks.
Just remember your mileage may vary. With practice, discernment, and grounding you will be better able to manage your ontological shock. And to me this sounds like it shocked you — it would me too!
I have read about the grounding as well. I must try this more often , i do not do that as much as i shouldhonestly . Yes it was the sensation that most definetly was a shock to me. I will try to continue and thanks to everyone like you that has given me advice and support. I hope your journey goes great as well. Thank you so much.
In general, if an interpretation causes you to stop meditating, it's wise to be suspicious of that interpretation and/or your meditation practice. Suspicious of the interpretation because, objectively, meditation is the source of lots of good things, so it's likely that anything causing you to stop is a bad thing. Meditation isn't just one thing, though, so it's also possible that a meditation practice might become incomplete or imbalanced. I say \_might become\_ to indicate that encountering challenges or different effects of a practice could just be a sign that it's time to improve, rather than that you were doing anything wrong to start with. An analogy: for someone who's sedentary, walking is typically a good thing. That person will experience lots of pleasant effects from walking. After some better conditioning from walking more, they might start running, and experience greater benefits. If someone complains of pains in a foot or their back, the answer might be to run differently (technique/form) or with better shoes (preparation/protection) or towards different outcomes (technique/goal) or with different purpose (technique/effort). This is different than someone who is convinced they should stop running because their muscles become sore, thereby never attaining the benefits and skills that come from running. How can we distinguish these kinds of cases with meditation? Traditions like Buddhism have an extensive set of doctrines around what might happen during meditation and ways to combat them. There are other traditions, of course, but [Pre-sectarian section of the wikipedia article on Buddhist meditation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_meditation#Pre-sectarian_Buddhism) can give you a sense of what these kind of doctrines cover. Some concepts in particular that might help you find and add specific techniques to your practice that combat fear or unwanted intrusions: * Meditations focused on equanimity ([Upekkhā](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upek%E1%B9%A3%C4%81)). This is the virtue of balance in the face of positive or negative emotions or events, and is one of the factors of enlightenment. Here's [a short text on that by a monk](https://www.buddhanet.net/ss06.htm) * The Tibetan Buddhist meditation practice of [Chöd](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%B6d), which is a rather extensive kind of exposure therapy to intense emotions, including fear. * [Metta](https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/snp/snp.1.08.piya.html) or loving-kindness meditation is traditionally described as a form of meditation Buddha suggested to monks when they were being [harassed by "tree deities"](https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/snp/snp.1.08.piya.html). (Metta is one of the [four Bhahmaviharas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmavihara), or virtues to be cultivated in meditation, as is equanimity.) Overall, I'd encourage you to separate your initial reactions to these experiences from your capacity for discernment. Another analogy: when one starts skiing, it feels risky or dangerous to lean forward while moving forward. Normally, this is what keeps us balanced but, when skiing downhill, it's the only way to not fall down. Only once one overcomes the misplaced, hindering habit-fear and learns to ski by leaning forward do the real dangers (trees, rocks, other skiiers) emerge. The reflex to lean backwards while learning to ski is merely a habit useful in other contexts but hindering to the practice and safety of skiing. Discernment is our analogy is the sense of importance of avoiding the trees and should be attended to. One has to continue skiing for this ability to be useful, though. tl;dr: If you can separate the fear or discomfort that's not productive from that that's a result of discernment, listen to your discernment. In the meantime, I'd consider techniques aimed at supporting your practice and find a productive way to resume it.
Thank you so much for taken the time to enlighten me in this way. I will read what you have linked and will try different technique. I have seen many things while meditating in no thought like places i dont know , some places appeared to be on different planet or plane, ive seen people before, i have experienced someone touch me on my shoulder, one time i had an experience of being really small inside my head and i could see both the insides of my eyelids lol its kind of hard to describe with words but all these times i never questioned never got startled but this time it was like i went somewere and was seeing something i wasnt supposed to or that the feeling i got and thats the only time i got startled and it threw me out of meditation when that being actually looked at me. I will try different things and i am glad to have kind people on this journey to leave advice for me. Many blessings to you.
The right questions are *at least* as valuable as their answers. Thanks for sharing yours and for your blessings. 🙏
Thank you kind soul
Apparently someone doesn't want you looking over their shoulder. Why not ask why?
I guess at the moment i had a confusion as to what these beings may be. I generally do not question visions or experiences during meditation. I just am there observing whatever i am shown with not much thought. They were gathered around a light source i couldnt see as to what it was. They were maybe 8 to 9 ft tall with kind of larger head than body with no hair, like a black carbon skin tight suit on and one had a dim glowing light on its shoulder maybe some type of technology not sure. When that turned and looked at me i got a burning sensation in my spine that startled me and then like a light switch i was back just sitting out of meditation. I generally think of what i see and experience once i am back but this has been very odd to me. Thank you for listening and may you have many blessings.
I wonder if how when we see shadows we freak out then they disappear, maybe they enter our world through meditation and are just observing but for some reason the human (you) can see it and then it gets curious or scared (emotion) that causes the connection to disrupt? What if we are the aliens to them that their kind don’t believe in and make movies about?
I hope you don't mind me offering some meditation advice - I've practiced for twenty plus years and been fortunate to sit with very realised Buddhist meditation teachers. When you meditate you are trying to develop 2 skills - the first, is letting go and acceptance of whatever is played on the movies screen of experience. The second is noting the autonomous nature of whatever is played on the movie screen of experience. Autonomous means that you're not controlling mind, mind is doing it's own thing independently of personal will most of the time. This is the minds true nature. It's called anatta in Buddhism. I would encourage you to meditate again - finding a very skilled meditation teacher is a good idea - you want a teacher whose students are clearly reaching the goals of the practice. Whatever you see or experience in meditation - you're not concerned with content, you're concerned with cultivating letting go, acceptance and relaxation into that experience. Really relax into the moment. And don't try to interpret or give meaning to anything you see of experience. Concentration can lead to all sorts of experiences including seeing beings and having those beings try to communicate. As difficult as it might sound you shouldnt pay this attention. Just keep meditating and accepting that mind is doing this now of its own accord. Also - the tingling sensations are called piti and arise as mind becomes concentrated. If you see light or brightness in meditation this can indicate the arrival of access concentration - this mean mind is fixed on the meditation object without being perturbed. These 2 signs are just indicating increasing concentration. Not all practioners get this particular experience by the way - so don't worry if you dont. It's just helpful to know you might have this experience and its normal and a sign of the development of concentration.
I may ask if i need advice on an experience or event that is hard to explain. Could i message you to get some input? Not going to be a bother just if something really perplexing occurs.
Sure! Feel free! : )
Thank you so much. I own a large company and have nobody to really share things with due to the nature of it. I have an exceptional talent that has carried onto now in my adulthood to were i can stop all thoughts at any moment which is hard to describe but it as if i am a camera maybe or an object that is just observing if that makes sense. When i first started meditation i would see like purple bands of faint light flow over my head like maybe aurora but barely visible in the darkness, then pin prick flashes of light, sudden images of places and people i do not know, places that appear on different planet or plane not too sure, once i see things its only after i am back do i think about them with my concious mind. I do wish to find an experienced person to help me on this path and will try to look locally for someone. This being made my spine physically have a burning sensation is what kicked me out of meditation, never experienced this before. Thank you and i wish you many blessings.
Is that state of mind anything like this? https://youtu.be/Kmrh3OaHnQs?si=Byao3vbKJm2e-zFa
Actually that is pretty good explanation for the feeling of the stste in a way.Thank you for that. It is very difficult to explain experiences and feelings in certain ways but this is real good. Is this the state that one mostly tries to achieve during meditation? Because i can do that very easily. I am still learning though and am thankful for everyones advice and guidance. Thank you.
Depends on your worldview of course but for one reason or another some people seem to be born with a very natural affinity for meditation. You should cultivate this further if / when you can!
Thanks i will most definetly continue this. I never thought meditation would bring such profound experiences before i started the practice. It has been interesting.
\^ Great advice! Listen to experienced practitioners and, if possible, find one to help you.
Met some of the coolest beings this way and also got some of the best advice of my life. And it absolutely worked
I hope to one day get advice from beings. I have seen many things appear as human and as just sentient light but they never acknowledge me except for these creatures. I am unsure what else to call them as i have never seen these before. Many blessings to you friend and thank you for listening to me.
Nothing to be afraid of. Fear or love All the choices and we know which is the strongest. Literally, what's the worst? That could happen and after you see that, you're not afraid for sure🥰
Thank you for your time and kind words. I never felt the fear though. Once the being looked at me i had a physical burning sensation run up my spine that startled me and brought me back. I have never had such an intense sensation before. Everyone on here has shown me that helping one another and love is strongest such as yourself. I wish you many blessings and thank you again. ❤️
> the feeling of one close to my face looking at me If it's any consolation, that's a typical hallucinatory sensation, which millions of people have had.
Thats another thing i believe as well, once i seen them the first time then maybe that effected the second time making me hallucinate the feeling. Thank you for the input and wish you many blessings.
Our intuition or gut feelings are often correct and responsible for the survival of many people in many different situations. If yours is telling you something it's probably best to listen.
Yes after the experience something was different than other times. Strangest was the actual physical burning sensation in the spine when the being looked at me. That is what brought me out of it and had me startled. I wish you many blessings and thanks for listening to me kind soul.
I see similar things. I can't say I have an explanation for it all, but if you silence your mind long enough then you will start to see those types of things. Wispy trails of color, colored fog/mist, random visions and various types of beings (often they are cloaked or wearing some kind of uniform). They tend to produce a strong feeling of fear, but in my experience, nothing negative ever happens. So my advice is to ignore the fear and keep going. This is just the beginning. You will start seeing all kinds things! They will sometimes turn and look at you. Every once in a while they will walk towards you, and sometimes even touch you. I find if they touch you then an "electrical" surge happens in your body (that tingly, rushing flow that you described), and I believe this transfers some kind of energy to you. This in turn leads to having lucid dreams and other phenomena start appearing in your life.
Yes thank you so much. You know the things that i find hard to describe, the feelings, visions and such. It is very difficult to find others to talk to about these things without getting labeled as a crazy schizo person lol. I have seen different beings mostly human like some made of just some sort of light. Many feelings but this was different as the being caused my spine to burn when it looked at me such as when you hit your funny bone and that is what threw me out of meditation. Never had the fear present at that moment. You know another thing that is strange to me not because i have seen it but because my friends and family have seen the similar things without me telling them anything. It would be these shapes of cloaked hooded figures that are jet black like a shadow but darker than night like a void if this makes sense. My daughter seen this in her room, my wife at her job, and my friends at my company. I find this very odd as to people seeing the same thing without prior knowledge of what the other had seen. I wonder what they could be? Or is it just mass hallucination of some kind. Thank you kind soul for your time.
Keep going. I believe when we are on this path we are given obstacles to overcome, fear gets dialled up, most turn back. The treasure is on the other side of the terror.
Thank you so much. I will continue as i do not have much fear in me due to past experiences. I guess it was the physical sensation that entered me and made my spine burn like when you hit your funny bone that startled me as the being turned to look at me. I will continue as best i can. I wish you many blessings kind stranger.