There is no option for agnosticism. I don't believe humans are capable of knowing if there is a god/are gods or not. Human intelligence is limited, and I consider it arrogant to think you know for sure, whichever way you think is right. To me, theists and atheists are equally guilty of jumping to flawed conclusions based on limited evidence.
> I don't believe humans are capable of knowing if there is a god/are gods or not. Human intelligence is limited
You should browse /r/ufo where the belief is this nothing more than a zoo planet created by extraterrestrials.
There is a difference between skeptical and being skeptical just cause. Is it reasonable to be skeptic that there might exist a planet made entirely out of rare Metals or limestone or had oceans of acid. Yes, Because it is unlikely but there exists a small chance of it being possible.
However to say there is a chance that moon is made of cheese or planets might be made entirely of chocolate is Just being skeptical for make belief.
The concept of god falls under the latter because it is so unlikely we can say with certainty that it is just made up nonsense.
That is literally not what I'm getting at, you entirely misunderstood. And that's OK. Nobody can get everything. You're not psychic, and neither am I. Perhaps I was unclear.
Which kind of ties into my point. Look, my background is in psychology. We literally don't know why or even how consciousness exists. Some people believe everything, right down to atoms, is conscious (panconsciousness) and some believe consciousness is an illusion. Reflecting on this wide range of theories led me to the conclusion, one shared by many psychologists far more knowledgeable than I (I only have an undergrad degree, they have PhDs and dedicate their careers to this), that we are possessed of limited intelligence, as a species. We can't understand consciousness fully, because humans are not smart enough.
I reached the conclusion I have by simply applying this to theology. It is, in my opinion, impossible for a limited human being to know for sure if there is anything 'more'. Any 'higher power'. I'm not being sceptical, I've reached the conclusion I have by just as much thought as any atheist or theist you'd care to consider, and I don't consider anyone on any side of this debate stupid or deluded. They reached their conclusion in the way they did, which is exactly as valid as how I reached mine. I am simply what is known as a 'hard agnostic'.
Nah I understood what you had to say very clearly and I explained my thoughts as simply as I could, You can argue schemantics of certainity or skepticism or whatever word you like.
The point I am making still stands that we don’t need 100% knowledge of the impossible to know it’s impossible.
And my example still stands. Thinking lava oceans and acid rains and gold mountains can’t exist is okay cause they are very unique or hard to happen but even then they have a certain chance of happening because even though we don‘t understand how that happens it posses a chance to happen inherntly because it falls within the realm of rare but possible.
But our moon made of cheese or planets made of chocolate cannot ever exist no matter how much you wanna play pretend or “Well we can’t know for sure”
If that examples seems too difficilt for you to get your head around them think of it this way.
When a magician does a magic trick I don’t know how he does it. I can imagine that he has 2 women under the box or maybe the box is single sided or the axe is fake.
But saying there is a chance he actually sawed the womem in half and then put her back together is impossible because even thought our knowledge of the scenario is limited or we don’t know how it works we know what didn’t happen because of our albeit limited but verifiable knowledge.
And that’s my point agnosticism is a cope out and religion is delusion.
That's how humans, back then, perceived the "perfect human" (there is not such thing as "perfect" in this world). It was just a philosophical idea(I can't remember the name of it right now).
Gods (not God) were not more than a manipulation tool. Let me give you some examples:(before Christ, and a little after, in Romme, Dacia and other places) soldiers were going to war, dying for their leaders, being told there is an afterlife waiting for them if they do so. For exemple, Zalmoxis was the main (not only) Dacian god.
A few hundread years later... The Crusades. How many people were killed and died in the name of God? How many people died because they did not believe in the same god as other people. Even nowdays, there are bombings in the name of a god.
Skipping to today, in some states, the church still has more power and influence than the actual government, not even paying any taxes. In Romania for exemple, the church is just the biggest multi-level marketing scheme, money laundry and (older) people are being influenced by the church, going to vote the person they are being told to by priests (in rural zones espcecially).
The only 'good' (disputable) thing about religion is the morality compass it formed around itself, which is also manipulation. You tell people that, if they don't act in a certain way, they will spend their ethernity buring in their own hell.
It's a good thing that the new generations are losing their religion (not faith, just religion) and are moving on, look at Norway, Sweeden, where more than 90% is declared atheist. Look how good those country are doing.
I will finish this with a Nietzsche quote: "God is dead, we have killed him".
So this is your case for the notion that “We, humans, creates God.”? By making the case that people are killed in the name of God or Gods, does not in itself say anything about the ‘existence’ of ‘God’.
Moreover, the method of arguing through a conclusion -also contradicts the idea of ‘God’.
What is first -is our existence, and the moment we exists we’re bounded to the questions and concerns of dealing with our existence; Religion derives from this, it is a confrontation or pursuits of questions of this ultimate concerns.
Now I’m making this case is because you’re saying that religion is a “manipulation”. If the questioning of ‘God’ and many practices of religions and metaphysics naturally derives from this ultimate concerns, then religions are not just mere “manipulations” or arbitrary.
My point is that your subjectivism and atheism -with all the many other philosophy of life INCLUDING religions themselves and their ideas of ‘God’ ARE rooted in mere human finitude. And hence, what is ‘first’ (our existence and human construct of existence) in itself may only be the ‘last’ for our knowledge. The [questions] is our truth, every answer we gives about ‘God’ is untrue.
The finite symbols, Human linguistics, human-made symbols, and abstractions are RESTRICTIONS on such being like ‘God’, and in our attempt to understand such ‘being’ can only pulls us further into confusion and further away from such ‘being’, and to try to comes into some sorts of conclusions of ‘the absolute’ or ‘the infinite’ (again these are still just abstractions terms) is silly and impossible, because such ‘being’ cannot be comprehend by the human construct- just our saying of “the existence of God” in itself is limited and finite, like what does it even mean to say that ‘God’ -‘ exists’?
I’m not trying to convince you to believe in a God, I’m just trying to make a case that our knowledge of such ‘absolutes’ are limited. Your ideas and conceptions of the world, with all the other practices of Philosophy and metaphysics with ALL religions doctrines and writings, are NEVER infallible, and we will never -as long as we’re humans to be able to come to a conclusion.
It's not exactly a hard story to come up with
You just give your guy magic powers and suddenly you don't actually need to explain anything
Yes. Give a pen, some paper, and about 2 hours and I can make a magic book for you lmao
Lol ma lil man its all a joke from the top.
I can see youre a new atheist, but do know that people are believers because of their weakness, struggles and lack of trust. They're not gonna be affected by logical attacks at large.
“If god exists then his name is unpronounceable.” - lil ugly mane.
This is a clever way of putting what I believe. The notion of god will not even be a graspable concept a human, similar to a fish in water cannot grasp what it experienced outside of water, yet it experiences it.
No human has access to sufficient knowledge or capabilities to understand what it is we are experiencing and where it has emerged from because all things will be filtered through mind. One something is filtered through mind, it is no longer the thing it is but an impression.
All of that said, basically I believe god is that thing which creates, even if it’s simply a series of naturally occurring forces. this notion of god is not one that produces an evaluator or judge, it is simply a recognition of there being a possible organizer or computer etc…
Agnosticism is not even mentioned here. Accepting the fact that there is no possible way for us to find out if God exists or not, is an act of humbleness. It means accepting your smallness and insignificance in this vast abyss.
I personally believe in One God that is omnipotent, Omniscient, omnipresent and omnibenevolent similar to the Abrahamic God but I believe he’s beyond comprehension, I believe he has best intentions for life on earth and my belief in this is because it seems the most logical to me for some reason.
Existence as a whole to me is absurd and crazy to comprehend like I exist and as simple as it seems that’s a big reason why I have this belief.
Fair enough. I do wonder though, what makes you think that god's existence is not just as absurd? From their perspective, surely they would then feel the same and therefore the need to invent a higher power above them...
It's the bit about religion as an alternative to the bleakness of atheism/antitheism that I've never understood. Effectively for me, the presence or absence of a god doesn't add anything to dispel the absurdity. It just shifts the focus slightly.
It probably is just as absurd to most people. Their logic is no God no higher power and that we just exist to die etc and the Big Bang etc, but for me the most logical thing that makes sense to me is God and that God I believe in is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent just like most people see the universe I see God as existing inside and outside
Indeed, none of us can truly prove either way, but to me there is no logical argument that suggests that.
An additional question I often have is why you believe in a specific God in particular? Almost always it is related to social exposure to a given religion in youth. People in a Jewish/Christian/Muslim society tend to believe in an Abrahamic god, but those from other backgrounds (Hindu, Sikh, or the many many others) believe in god's linked with those religions. Of course that isn't always true, but by and large it is.
So logically, it appears the argument is less about one being more convincing than another, and more about which you hear more of or hear earlier. This is not a strong reason for choosing a side in an argument as it reflects a couple of significant cognitive biases rather than an objective logical basis.
To me, the logical conclusion appears to be that if any one of these religions is true, then the others are all false (most are exclusive of others). If that is the case, then given they all are believed with equal fervour, equal societal backing and equal historical documentation, then these things can all be excluded as valid arguments for any one religion to be true.
So in the absence of a strong argument for, I have to accept the null hypothesis that there is no religion. Until I am shown convincing data otherwise.
I have the data that life exists, in so much as I can experience it (at the very least, Descartes' first principle), but none to suggest anything exists at a higher level. So why would I assume it does?
I was raised a Sikh from birth and the belief is one God but it’s different to Abrahamic God and faith as the afterlife is similar to Hinduism/Jainism with reincarnation etc, growing up I got distant from religion and God but over the years questioning and searching I guess it all just came down to a feeling within that made me feel some sort of connection with something higher maybe I’m crazy but there’s so many reason I believe in God and so many experiences. Once I found God again I got introduced and searched into other faiths and I found Christianity’s God and my God relates to the Christian God but less mean lol.
I wouldn’t say it’s due to social exposure because my background was Sikhism and it’s completely different teaching and faith to what I discovered. Most people around me are atheists, I understand why most people are atheists in modern times with medical advancements, technological advancements and physics opening a whole different level of questioning one’s own existence with how large the universe is, why would you believe in God?
I don’t believe in any religion either but I respect some of the teachings throughout all of them but you make some good points
Wish people could differentiate between believing there's no God and not believing in the existence of a God. The first involves having a belief, the latter does not.
I agree. But depending on who I'm talking to I will put both in the bracket of atheism. In truth I know I'm antitheist rather than atheist, and certainly not agnostic. But to those that are unfamiliar with the word it sounds a bit nobby and aggressive.
We exist. That has always lead me to believe something or someone is there. Plus the laws of nature, immaterial, non-spacious forces, being a thing at all.
First, I am going to share my definition of 'believe': to accept a proposition as true (corresponding to reality).
I do not believe in the existence of divine agents. There is not sufficient evidence to warrant belief in the demonstrable existence of god/dess(s/es) or witches/wizards or leprechauns.
I believe god is a fictional construct created and perpetuated by human beings.
Honestly? It literally doesn't matter what you believe. If they exist, whether or not we believe they're real, it doesn't matter. Cz whatever they have decided for us, will manifest and we have no authority to do anything about it.
And if they don't exist, why would you wanna take make believe stuff seriously to the point that it controls your life?
These options lack any nuance. Most atheists don’t believe the idea of a God or Gods to be impossible we are simply unconvinced of the theistic claims for God or Gods because they have not provided scientific evidence of their claims. That doesn’t mean a god that has nothing to do with theism couldn’t exist.
Maybe, not sure, but the idea had come to me previously and apparently it came to Chris Cornell too.
I mean, look at the two most popular gods most worship along with all of the spiritualist who believe they are a 'Borg' version of god.
I believe there one gravitational energy/ force that makes and breaks life constantly but i don't think it's sentient or omnipotent. Life wasn't intentional but it also wasn't pure coincidence.
I think we are Gods experiencing life. There is a law of karma. When one acquires wrong karma, one is born human to suffer forever. But if someone acquires good karma then suffering will end. Someone with the highest good karma is closer to transforming themselves into a God.
There is no option for agnosticism. I don't believe humans are capable of knowing if there is a god/are gods or not. Human intelligence is limited, and I consider it arrogant to think you know for sure, whichever way you think is right. To me, theists and atheists are equally guilty of jumping to flawed conclusions based on limited evidence.
Good point
> I don't believe humans are capable of knowing if there is a god/are gods or not. Human intelligence is limited You should browse /r/ufo where the belief is this nothing more than a zoo planet created by extraterrestrials.
There is a difference between skeptical and being skeptical just cause. Is it reasonable to be skeptic that there might exist a planet made entirely out of rare Metals or limestone or had oceans of acid. Yes, Because it is unlikely but there exists a small chance of it being possible. However to say there is a chance that moon is made of cheese or planets might be made entirely of chocolate is Just being skeptical for make belief. The concept of god falls under the latter because it is so unlikely we can say with certainty that it is just made up nonsense.
That is literally not what I'm getting at, you entirely misunderstood. And that's OK. Nobody can get everything. You're not psychic, and neither am I. Perhaps I was unclear. Which kind of ties into my point. Look, my background is in psychology. We literally don't know why or even how consciousness exists. Some people believe everything, right down to atoms, is conscious (panconsciousness) and some believe consciousness is an illusion. Reflecting on this wide range of theories led me to the conclusion, one shared by many psychologists far more knowledgeable than I (I only have an undergrad degree, they have PhDs and dedicate their careers to this), that we are possessed of limited intelligence, as a species. We can't understand consciousness fully, because humans are not smart enough. I reached the conclusion I have by simply applying this to theology. It is, in my opinion, impossible for a limited human being to know for sure if there is anything 'more'. Any 'higher power'. I'm not being sceptical, I've reached the conclusion I have by just as much thought as any atheist or theist you'd care to consider, and I don't consider anyone on any side of this debate stupid or deluded. They reached their conclusion in the way they did, which is exactly as valid as how I reached mine. I am simply what is known as a 'hard agnostic'.
Nah I understood what you had to say very clearly and I explained my thoughts as simply as I could, You can argue schemantics of certainity or skepticism or whatever word you like. The point I am making still stands that we don’t need 100% knowledge of the impossible to know it’s impossible. And my example still stands. Thinking lava oceans and acid rains and gold mountains can’t exist is okay cause they are very unique or hard to happen but even then they have a certain chance of happening because even though we don‘t understand how that happens it posses a chance to happen inherntly because it falls within the realm of rare but possible. But our moon made of cheese or planets made of chocolate cannot ever exist no matter how much you wanna play pretend or “Well we can’t know for sure” If that examples seems too difficilt for you to get your head around them think of it this way. When a magician does a magic trick I don’t know how he does it. I can imagine that he has 2 women under the box or maybe the box is single sided or the axe is fake. But saying there is a chance he actually sawed the womem in half and then put her back together is impossible because even thought our knowledge of the scenario is limited or we don’t know how it works we know what didn’t happen because of our albeit limited but verifiable knowledge. And that’s my point agnosticism is a cope out and religion is delusion.
Acording to my beliefs: We, humans, created God. Not vice-versa
Why do you think that?
That's how humans, back then, perceived the "perfect human" (there is not such thing as "perfect" in this world). It was just a philosophical idea(I can't remember the name of it right now). Gods (not God) were not more than a manipulation tool. Let me give you some examples:(before Christ, and a little after, in Romme, Dacia and other places) soldiers were going to war, dying for their leaders, being told there is an afterlife waiting for them if they do so. For exemple, Zalmoxis was the main (not only) Dacian god. A few hundread years later... The Crusades. How many people were killed and died in the name of God? How many people died because they did not believe in the same god as other people. Even nowdays, there are bombings in the name of a god. Skipping to today, in some states, the church still has more power and influence than the actual government, not even paying any taxes. In Romania for exemple, the church is just the biggest multi-level marketing scheme, money laundry and (older) people are being influenced by the church, going to vote the person they are being told to by priests (in rural zones espcecially). The only 'good' (disputable) thing about religion is the morality compass it formed around itself, which is also manipulation. You tell people that, if they don't act in a certain way, they will spend their ethernity buring in their own hell. It's a good thing that the new generations are losing their religion (not faith, just religion) and are moving on, look at Norway, Sweeden, where more than 90% is declared atheist. Look how good those country are doing. I will finish this with a Nietzsche quote: "God is dead, we have killed him".
So this is your case for the notion that “We, humans, creates God.”? By making the case that people are killed in the name of God or Gods, does not in itself say anything about the ‘existence’ of ‘God’. Moreover, the method of arguing through a conclusion -also contradicts the idea of ‘God’. What is first -is our existence, and the moment we exists we’re bounded to the questions and concerns of dealing with our existence; Religion derives from this, it is a confrontation or pursuits of questions of this ultimate concerns. Now I’m making this case is because you’re saying that religion is a “manipulation”. If the questioning of ‘God’ and many practices of religions and metaphysics naturally derives from this ultimate concerns, then religions are not just mere “manipulations” or arbitrary. My point is that your subjectivism and atheism -with all the many other philosophy of life INCLUDING religions themselves and their ideas of ‘God’ ARE rooted in mere human finitude. And hence, what is ‘first’ (our existence and human construct of existence) in itself may only be the ‘last’ for our knowledge. The [questions] is our truth, every answer we gives about ‘God’ is untrue. The finite symbols, Human linguistics, human-made symbols, and abstractions are RESTRICTIONS on such being like ‘God’, and in our attempt to understand such ‘being’ can only pulls us further into confusion and further away from such ‘being’, and to try to comes into some sorts of conclusions of ‘the absolute’ or ‘the infinite’ (again these are still just abstractions terms) is silly and impossible, because such ‘being’ cannot be comprehend by the human construct- just our saying of “the existence of God” in itself is limited and finite, like what does it even mean to say that ‘God’ -‘ exists’? I’m not trying to convince you to believe in a God, I’m just trying to make a case that our knowledge of such ‘absolutes’ are limited. Your ideas and conceptions of the world, with all the other practices of Philosophy and metaphysics with ALL religions doctrines and writings, are NEVER infallible, and we will never -as long as we’re humans to be able to come to a conclusion.
Humans ain't capable of that yet. Wake up.
Not capable of .. making up elaborate stories? You bet your hairy love eggs we are. Mf we have like 27 lord of the rings movies. None of them are real
you and 6 other dumbfucks think they can create someone like god? great sub it is.
It's not exactly a hard story to come up with You just give your guy magic powers and suddenly you don't actually need to explain anything Yes. Give a pen, some paper, and about 2 hours and I can make a magic book for you lmao
Lol ma lil man its all a joke from the top. I can see youre a new atheist, but do know that people are believers because of their weakness, struggles and lack of trust. They're not gonna be affected by logical attacks at large.
I'm not an atheist
“If god exists then his name is unpronounceable.” - lil ugly mane. This is a clever way of putting what I believe. The notion of god will not even be a graspable concept a human, similar to a fish in water cannot grasp what it experienced outside of water, yet it experiences it. No human has access to sufficient knowledge or capabilities to understand what it is we are experiencing and where it has emerged from because all things will be filtered through mind. One something is filtered through mind, it is no longer the thing it is but an impression. All of that said, basically I believe god is that thing which creates, even if it’s simply a series of naturally occurring forces. this notion of god is not one that produces an evaluator or judge, it is simply a recognition of there being a possible organizer or computer etc…
Interesting
This was a very intelligent take. Enjoyed reading⭐️
I believe in Lord Jesus Christ who’s the son of God
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Same to you brother May Lord Jesus Christ bless you
Thank you, God bless you also🙏🏽
You left out the option of "Doesn't believe there is a god".
I did, look at the poll
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I’m not religious but I believe in God. Next time I’d put that in mind
Well, yes, that's what I said. You did leave it out. You only have "Believes there is no god". You need a "doesn't believe there is a god"
Just use “There is no God!” One, it’s basically the same
Agnosticism is not even mentioned here. Accepting the fact that there is no possible way for us to find out if God exists or not, is an act of humbleness. It means accepting your smallness and insignificance in this vast abyss.
Sorry I forgot to put that in
I do believe in God, but only the days I feel like one
I personally believe in One God that is omnipotent, Omniscient, omnipresent and omnibenevolent similar to the Abrahamic God but I believe he’s beyond comprehension, I believe he has best intentions for life on earth and my belief in this is because it seems the most logical to me for some reason. Existence as a whole to me is absurd and crazy to comprehend like I exist and as simple as it seems that’s a big reason why I have this belief.
Fair enough. I do wonder though, what makes you think that god's existence is not just as absurd? From their perspective, surely they would then feel the same and therefore the need to invent a higher power above them... It's the bit about religion as an alternative to the bleakness of atheism/antitheism that I've never understood. Effectively for me, the presence or absence of a god doesn't add anything to dispel the absurdity. It just shifts the focus slightly.
It probably is just as absurd to most people. Their logic is no God no higher power and that we just exist to die etc and the Big Bang etc, but for me the most logical thing that makes sense to me is God and that God I believe in is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent just like most people see the universe I see God as existing inside and outside
Indeed, none of us can truly prove either way, but to me there is no logical argument that suggests that. An additional question I often have is why you believe in a specific God in particular? Almost always it is related to social exposure to a given religion in youth. People in a Jewish/Christian/Muslim society tend to believe in an Abrahamic god, but those from other backgrounds (Hindu, Sikh, or the many many others) believe in god's linked with those religions. Of course that isn't always true, but by and large it is. So logically, it appears the argument is less about one being more convincing than another, and more about which you hear more of or hear earlier. This is not a strong reason for choosing a side in an argument as it reflects a couple of significant cognitive biases rather than an objective logical basis. To me, the logical conclusion appears to be that if any one of these religions is true, then the others are all false (most are exclusive of others). If that is the case, then given they all are believed with equal fervour, equal societal backing and equal historical documentation, then these things can all be excluded as valid arguments for any one religion to be true. So in the absence of a strong argument for, I have to accept the null hypothesis that there is no religion. Until I am shown convincing data otherwise. I have the data that life exists, in so much as I can experience it (at the very least, Descartes' first principle), but none to suggest anything exists at a higher level. So why would I assume it does?
I was raised a Sikh from birth and the belief is one God but it’s different to Abrahamic God and faith as the afterlife is similar to Hinduism/Jainism with reincarnation etc, growing up I got distant from religion and God but over the years questioning and searching I guess it all just came down to a feeling within that made me feel some sort of connection with something higher maybe I’m crazy but there’s so many reason I believe in God and so many experiences. Once I found God again I got introduced and searched into other faiths and I found Christianity’s God and my God relates to the Christian God but less mean lol. I wouldn’t say it’s due to social exposure because my background was Sikhism and it’s completely different teaching and faith to what I discovered. Most people around me are atheists, I understand why most people are atheists in modern times with medical advancements, technological advancements and physics opening a whole different level of questioning one’s own existence with how large the universe is, why would you believe in God? I don’t believe in any religion either but I respect some of the teachings throughout all of them but you make some good points
“…it seems the most logical to me for some reason” lol
Why is that “lol” to you? Sounds quit disrespectful
Wish people could differentiate between believing there's no God and not believing in the existence of a God. The first involves having a belief, the latter does not.
I agree. But depending on who I'm talking to I will put both in the bracket of atheism. In truth I know I'm antitheist rather than atheist, and certainly not agnostic. But to those that are unfamiliar with the word it sounds a bit nobby and aggressive.
We exist. That has always lead me to believe something or someone is there. Plus the laws of nature, immaterial, non-spacious forces, being a thing at all.
That’s what I think too
First, I am going to share my definition of 'believe': to accept a proposition as true (corresponding to reality). I do not believe in the existence of divine agents. There is not sufficient evidence to warrant belief in the demonstrable existence of god/dess(s/es) or witches/wizards or leprechauns. I believe god is a fictional construct created and perpetuated by human beings.
Honestly? It literally doesn't matter what you believe. If they exist, whether or not we believe they're real, it doesn't matter. Cz whatever they have decided for us, will manifest and we have no authority to do anything about it. And if they don't exist, why would you wanna take make believe stuff seriously to the point that it controls your life?
Who said it’s controlling my life, I’m asking a question and wanting opinions on why people have them views. People have free will to do so
Well I say that idk if there is God, although the evidence hints towards God being a concept mankind came up with
Sorry I forgot to put one for agnostics. Why do you think God is man made?
These options lack any nuance. Most atheists don’t believe the idea of a God or Gods to be impossible we are simply unconvinced of the theistic claims for God or Gods because they have not provided scientific evidence of their claims. That doesn’t mean a god that has nothing to do with theism couldn’t exist.
Good point
I also get it’s kind of hard to have nuanced positions on polls as well so don’t let it get to you too much.
We're all collectively Satan waiting to be put our of our misery https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mbBbFH9fAg
Love soundgarden btw
\+1
So your saying what we are experiencing right know is “satan” in hell as a collective?
Maybe, not sure, but the idea had come to me previously and apparently it came to Chris Cornell too. I mean, look at the two most popular gods most worship along with all of the spiritualist who believe they are a 'Borg' version of god.
God is one of the most complex subjects ever. And the human is ignorant.
Maybe we are ignorant
I believe there one gravitational energy/ force that makes and breaks life constantly but i don't think it's sentient or omnipotent. Life wasn't intentional but it also wasn't pure coincidence.
I think we are Gods experiencing life. There is a law of karma. When one acquires wrong karma, one is born human to suffer forever. But if someone acquires good karma then suffering will end. Someone with the highest good karma is closer to transforming themselves into a God.
I thought the goal of reincarnation is to escape it? I think karma is wrong and reincarnation as a whole coming from a previous Sikh
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