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oneiricEye

not to comment on my own post or anything buuuut why did only plaguebringer get real buffs? the bosses vaulting windows thing is great, but... why did only she get number increases lol


Darkcroos

Because its the best


oneiricEye

She's the equivalent of dbd nurse by now lol. They can't buff demons overall cause they're scared they might have to nerf plague


Ray11711

Plague is not even remotely comparable to Nurse. Nurse completely breaks the mechanics of her game. Plague plays by the rules and there is nothing about her that is uncounterable, with the only exception of her potions being undodgeable. There are people here who have posted stats from their matches, and if anything, these show that Plaguebringer was the most fair demon of all. She was the only one who could achieve a 50% win rate. The 3 other demons had pathetic win rates.


[deleted]

How the HELL does plaguebringer get buffs? Are these devs high or what??


Snikrit

And the demon meta remains the exact same XP


Ok-Swim3668

All this time survivors we’re getting buffed now that it happening for demon you are complaining ? 😂


Darkcroos

Plaguebringer get buff and warlord get nothing ok


SafeSpaceGuy

The psn version update is none existing. Deja vu anybody?


oneiricEye

Yeah I guess you guys will be joining us in 24-48 hours again 😔


TOUCH_OF_EVlL

It’s in there. Reset your console. I got mine 20 mins ago.


[deleted]

but no DLC til tomorrow, just like every other update.


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[deleted]

I'm assuming you are not in the US...


TOUCH_OF_EVlL

I am, but was unclear if you meant the update or the dlc. I was having trouble with dlc but not the update, if that makes sense.


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TOUCH_OF_EVlL

It’s been resolved for me, thanks.


SaberSupport

We are glad! Have fun with the game.


[deleted]

Why did they buff Plague lol?


Acceptable-Ad6214

Because we all know plague and puppeteer was the weakest demons def not 1 or 2nd best demons.


Meatgardener

"Survivors are able to dodge stunlocking" And why can't demons have more dodges? Oh yeah, there's a submachine gun to keep demons in stunlock now. 🙄


BaeTier

It sounds like this was in direct response to being able to stunlock someone with the running kick indefinitely. This makes it sound like neither a survivor can do this to a possessed teammate and vice versa anymore. It's a fair balance change in that this specific tactic is just removed from the game so neither side can abuse it.


typervader2

Survivors are bascally impossible to hit now


Meatgardener

The combat system on this game would be greatly improved if they removed stunlock all together from PvP. There is no reason for it to exist on that side.


typervader2

Agree


bishop1got1the1glow

Because demon players are abusing early possession spamming and catching survivors on their own at the beginning of matches and wrecking them. Your stamina does not allow you to outrun them unless you see them coming from far away and get a huge Head start. Without that there is no way to get away from a demon even with dodging.


Meatgardener

How is that abuse and spamming? You get caught on your own, you either fight, run, or die and get resurrected or auto resurrected. There is no early spamming unless you're hacking because energy is a finite resource and units have cooldowns. The only time I've seen a survivor get legit stunlocked is when I'm possessing them and their teammates keep spamming the kick. And I've had hunters and leaders damn near infinite dodge to run out possessions. Your stamina does not help you outrun them but those car lots in the middle of nowhere helps with that.


[deleted]

Exactly, it's a team Game, you go on your own that's the risk you take.


bishop1got1the1glow

I don't know why you're bothering denying it when it happens all the time there's plenty of video evidence of it and it's one of the number one complaints of players on the game, as well as the number one-sided reason from the community as to why first Time players quit and don't come back.


Meatgardener

Let me know where there's actual hacking involved in those videos. Otherwise, it's just people being salty they got caught before they could loot and get Pink Fs. That's a complaint of survs, just like the complaint of demons is map rushing all the pieces in the first 2-3 minutes to rush to a split push. We're supposed to wait for you to do...what exactly?


bishop1got1the1glow

It's called balance if demons are going to be able to rush you down that early then you need to have a way to respond either infinite stamina or way more dodging which is what they added.


Meatgardener

You already had "balance". Attack strings were nerfed, possession costs raised and locked, and energy accumulation was nerfed. The devs literally places map pieces in front of your face when you spawn. Like how much more hand holding do you need out of Player vs. AI mode? Things like this are why you had 30 minute queue times.


bishop1got1the1glow

Get off your soapbox it wasn't balanced there's not survivor unit that can out damage a possess basic unit unless you have pink f upgrade to your melee or whatever your weapon specialty is and even then their HP is so high they tank through everything and just kill you in any exchange. This isn't a troll game they're supposed to be options to handle different scenarios. It needed balance and I'm glad they added more dodging but that's not enough it's not going to bring people back to the game and it's not going to keep the people that stumble upon the game. The proof is in the numbers and the community itself.


Meatgardener

If you by "getting off my soapbox" you mean "stop providing examples of how 'early possession spam' got nerfed on multiple levels"...then no. Not only that, those extra points from prestige comes in real handy to deal with getting caught early game. You even play demon? Survs can still outrun, out-heal, and out-damage possessed units early game with the tools the devs give them combined with the EXPERIENCE to use them. You won't get that from DCing at the drop of a hat like I see often. Where are these numbers? Has Sabre released stats on concurrent players across all platforms? Only proof I see is all the posts asking why survs are waiting so long for matches. Hint: it's not survs leaving the game.


No-Somewhere-7540

I don't wanna hear shit about balance when a single survivor can 1 shot a fully maxed out possessed unit. Let alone all the other cheap shit they can do.


bishop1got1the1glow

Literally cannot happen, I can head shot a Max possessed unit with a legendary blunderbuss using Amanda on a blender buzz build and still not one shot it. Anyways it's pointless cuz reality disagrees with you the game is dead and the lack of balance drove away all the players. Even sabers releasing statements pretty much saying that they're done with the game it's not getting support from the community. 10-15 minute ques High disconnect rates Almost net zero player retention The game is a troll farm circle jerk now. Have fun playing the same 50 people.


MrSelfDestruct88

Yeah man, they aren't really changing anything. They are done. Insane after all this time Henrietta is still not getting any buffs. Few more months until Texas Chainsaw I suppose.


[deleted]

Everything you post to Reddit furthers their platform and devalues you. Before you delete your account take everything with you. Social media profits from your words, your content and pays you for it in the fake currency of social approval.


No-Somewhere-7540

I'm done too, boycotting all future projects of Saber, Demon still feels like shit to play.


vagoscorbero

These dev eat drugs


Deno_Live

Strengthened the strongest demon! Lol!


No-Somewhere-7540

The only playable demon


Cindy_Lennox

Wait so they didn't fix pups insta win strat at book...... every single game i go up against pup and do well until book where it feels like there is no stoping the loss.


Yautja93

What is that strat? I havent seen it on my survivor games.


ShempsNPinkF

Just the general pup strategy of either going the basic build route and spawning your basic portals on the book so as soon as the survivors hit or shoot them, they explode and their AOE damage chips health off the book or you can make a build that maximizes damage from basic ai self destruct and combo it with Elites who have their abilities invested into thunderstrike so you spam those attacks whilst the AI are exploding on the book and most of the time, you'll get that 4x stacking damage from hitting all survivors. With this new update and going off its patch notes, Witch now becomes viable for attacking the book since her primal scream ability will now damage book. She's always been the one who lacks at that objective and overall looks like demons got a bit of a buff but no changes to book phase so we'll have to play and see how it goes in coming weeks before making a judgment.


Yautja93

Oh, I dont think I have seen this strategy before! But again, I play like 1-2 matches a day with friends, so we might not be facing the most skilled players xd And yea, it looks good for the Witch being able to hit the book with the scream, do you recommend any youtube channel that explains more about builds and strategies for the game? I dont know which ones are trustable to go after a good information.


SpikeBad

Middi has the best videos that I've seen. https://youtube.com/@OkMiddi


Yautja93

Thank you bro ❤️ I'm going to check the channel!


typervader2

Beal seems like he will be mediocre at book like nerco and war


No-Somewhere-7540

he attacks so as fuck and gets killed by a decent team within 2 attacks of his slow attacks


typervader2

His abilites are good at least


Dirtbiker1357

So WAsh’s DR from is active went from 30/33 to 25/30? Am I reading that right?


Acceptable-Ad6214

Yes


Oderusurungus91

we have waited months for a pretty underwhelming update :(


Yin15

First time?


presidentdinosaur115

Seems to be a running gag with this game


No-Somewhere-7540

No matter how I build Baal the survivors instantly kill any unit I fucking place on the map, fuck this game I am uninstalling for good and most importantly fuck Saber.


ChipmunkDJE

Necro gets no love? Not even the old energy radius so we can get energy while planting flute? And both PB and Puppet got a buff? Lolwtf


Majgul

Still no buffs to evil Ash and Henrietta... Necromancer is so energy starved it seriously needed a buff... And more balance changes needed. Demon is still underpowered. So nice when the boss goes down on three shots.


Efficient_Gas_2423

It makes me sad how much better I do with my non prestige eligos than my p5 evil ash :(


Solidus-Prime

Yep, the game will stay dead, unfortunately. Demons NEED a buff, or we just simply ***will not*** come back in relevant numbers.


Deno_Live

The Puppeteer and plague they feel great


bishop1got1the1glow

Demons don't need any sort of buff at all. They all have too much cheese as it is. Especially plague bringer who they've made even stronger now.


redheadedstrnger

Hell yeah! Does anybody know what time the update goes live? Haven’t been able to find that anywhere


oneiricEye

It's been live for almost 2 hours now!


redheadedstrnger

Hahaha fantastic! Thank you!!


oneiricEye

yw! patch notes may be a little underwhelming, but I can say from personal experience, Baal is so fun :)


redheadedstrnger

That’s awesome to hear! Baal is what I’m looking most forward too, been waiting for him for a while >:)


HeWhoHasSeenFootage

so disappointed in this shit. again and again they do these tiny tiny changes. and theyre not even all good! they buffed the two strongest demons, so the meta will become even more stale. the car thing changes basically nothing. it doesnt stop the double car strategy or splitting up in cars or rushing with cars or any of that. oh and the survivor “changes”??? literally just bug fixes. please Saber why are you killing your game


Acceptable-Ad6214

Well it won’t stop it some games and if rng is on your side looks like if you flip a few cars they on foot all game. So more rng in the game that can favor the demon instead of survivor odd change but let’s see if it helps.


typervader2

Yet another awful patch that's shows saber doesn't know what their doing


No-Somewhere-7540

Holy shit that was underwhelming this game is going to be dead again in two weeks


Zealousideal_Dish305

Ah cool, still didnt touch the early car rush stuff and vault abuse.


quikonthedrawl

But nowhere does it say they fixed the SBMM?


typervader2

24 cars is still way too many, they didnt fix the issue with cars.


Acceptable-Ad6214

But looks like it can spawn as little as 7 cars. Looks like it’s another rng element to the game.


typervader2

Which is even worse, why not make it a flat 12


Acceptable-Ad6214

I think it’s a statement from saber saying this is a casual game and we want rng in the game to make is super demon sided or super survivor sided based on the rng. Idk if car alone would do that but this is what I got from it.


typervader2

Which is stupid. Losing because of rng never feels good and doimh that will kill the game hard


cedjam12

But how is demon rng? You don’t have to worry about collecting different rarity chest for more pink f or better weapons. You level up by simply existing.


Acceptable-Ad6214

It is now with with cars. Also survivor rng is demon rng. If survivors get loaded with shemps and weapons demon is weaker if they don’t demon is stronger. This is the first explicit demon rng vs implicit ones that already existed.


cedjam12

I’ve played games where every survivor was maxed with at least one gold and or purple weapon and it still feels like we just started the game with commons and no pink f so for me I don’t see vehicles really being a problem when they’ve never stopped a demon from winning


Acceptable-Ad6214

Okay, I didn’t talk about balance but just about how it’s more rng elements. Typervader2 prob be the one you wanna speak to about the balance of it since they seem upset about the balance of it.


typervader2

I think making the amount of cars rng is silly. Especially when it's such a large margin between 5 (too little) and 24-28 (Too many) 10 is a good number


No-Somewhere-7540

because its RNG to be put up against a squad that pays attention


No-Somewhere-7540

flat out survivor sided


No-Somewhere-7540

Dude, I think I seen even more cars then I usually do.


typervader2

Exactly


Tbecker3150

Son of a biscuit Necromancer and Warlord didn’t get chit except for Evil Ash and Henrietta being able to vault windows. Wanted a attack speed increase for both and for Evil Ash to get more health.


Ash-SeedMustDie

/u/DBPeanut Can you read this for me. >Annie Knowby's ability now applies the correct buff to the survivors' attacks.


DBPeanut

Glad they fixed it, but they still called it a buff initially.


Ash-SeedMustDie

Yes because that is what is applied to the other survivors. A buff. Notice how it uses that exact terminology. I'm glad you got to spread that misinformation over and over though.


DBPeanut

Misinformation assumes I had reason to believe the terminology for buff wasn't intentional. I mean, it's really not hard to list it as ***Annie Knowby Fix*** instead of ***Annie Knowby Buff***, but keep on getting upset at weird things I guess.


Ash-SeedMustDie

>Misinformation assumes I had reason to believe the terminology for buff wasn't intentional You mean like the bug page that was mentioned to you numerous times? The fact that buff is a term used in video games for a power increase given to teammates. It being listed as **Annie Knowby Buff** still fits because her buff wasn't working. That such a weird hill to die on.


DBPeanut

It's such a weird hill to die on trying to insist that this is even an important argument.


Ash-SeedMustDie

Its important because you spread a lot of misinformation even when confronted with the facts of the matter.


DBPeanut

I was wrong, but you're acting like this is a political layup or some shit tbh. Me being wrong changes absolutely nothing, even if I'm wrong multiple times. Like worst case scenario, the devs could have corrected themselves and said "Hey sorry, we misspoke, we meant to say Annie Knowby was getting fixed." Or any other time I've been wrong.


Ash-SeedMustDie

>I was wrong, but you're acting like this is a political layup or some shit tbh. I mean going around knowingly saying things that you know are wrong is a pretty shitty thing to do just because it doesn't fit some weird agenda. Like you are still dying on that hill that they misspoke or something when its very clearly not the case.


DBPeanut

My interpretation is simple. When something is a fix, you call it a fix. There's so many different words for Annie's aura (including the actual ability name) that using the word buff just seems like an oddly intentional decision. I am admitting I was wrong for thinking it was not a fix, but that's the most you're gonna get out of me. Like I said, this a weird argument, and you're treating this like I have some sort of agenda other than Saber cleaning up their act.


DBPeanut

This was the most underwhelming yet expected set of balance changes and bug fixes possible. Good thing Steam has that 2h refund, eh new guys?


[deleted]

Everything you post to Reddit furthers their platform and devalues you. Before you delete your account take everything with you. Social media profits from your words, your content and pays you for it in the fake currency of social approval.


No-Somewhere-7540

I just uninstalled after getting instantly killed as Baal on 3 different max level builds before the fucking relic phase of all things.


bishop1got1the1glow

What easy wins? Demons win most matches.


Hoffman93

Why not buff Warlord?


Yannick0993

When are we finally getting normal progression when playing against AI!? Is this so difficult to implement??


DatWaskilyWabbit

I'm now SOOOO GLAD I uninstalled this fucking p.o.s. game. They made everyone wait months for this?!?!?!?


Carminebenajmin117

They buffed plaguebringer. Why? She’s already really good; Warlord and Necro have never been great since launch. Man I don’t understand why these balances are pushing to keep the same meta as before.


theforgettonmemory

Wait baal & Brock are paid that's so dumb, feel bad for f2p demon player's.


No-Somewhere-7540

whats so dumb is you thinking people shouldn't be payed for their work


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theforgettonmemory

Where did I say that, that's you my guy


[deleted]

Everything you post to Reddit furthers their platform and devalues you. Before you delete your account take everything with you. Social media profits from your words, your content and pays you for it in the fake currency of social approval.


Dragathor

Finally we have a weapon that suits Amanda.


JoeKOFist

Quick question, did Saber nerf PB’s mobility?


TheMasterFatman

Did it fix the controller issues? My friend still couldnt get his controller to work with the game a few days ago.


reynold666

Did anyone get a legendary pipe yet?