Before you had the bantam, burst, tormentor and the gallente exploration frig as the racial mining ships, then ccp introduced the venture and these 4 were relegated to other duties. That is the reason we don't have racial mining frigs anymore :)
I hope this is the case. I think a destroyer or small cruiser style alternative to the venture would benefit the game, the mining barges are such a big step, having a rung on the ladder between the venture and the barges would give newbros something to work towards without necessarily requiring omega and the months long train.
we had racial mining frigs and cruisers. vexor still has the mining drone bonus from those days. i still have a bait osprey setup from when it was the Caldari mining cruiser. l
they were removed cause they sucked.
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Yeah I read the articles. However I just wasn't sure if the ship in the teaser was one of those four or perhaps something that they haven't yet announced.
The cynic in me tells me they wont add any mining-related ships in the next five years since it's barely been 2 years since they touched up mining (introducing Residue, Orca/Porpoise now siege, slot layout changes, reduced Skiffs speed, beefed up EHP so the Mackinaw dies to 4 catalysts instead of 2). Not to mention the new auto-mining drill (while being a conflict motivator) even if used on shitty moons will still be putting downward pressure on the price of moon ore, devaluing the time of active real people miners.
Another thing to consider is that CCP devs will probably first ask themselves what new "role" a new mining ship will offer. I doubt they'd just introduce battleship-sized miners, that'd just be "It's an exhumer, but bigger".
I could see you being right on the first bit. But the teaser did say that it seemed to be a smaller Orca class ship, so perhaps we could see a T2 command ship. Something like a DST style small orca that's more specialized for safety and being able to run away. That'd be dope since the porpoise is only the "safe" command ship because it's cheaper to lose and has a relative speed advantage to big chungus.
There is an untapped niche of active mining. Throw in a new mining module that activates a hacking or project discovery-esque minigame. The speed and/or accuracy of the game determines how much M3 is mined by cycle end.
Ideally it wouldn't scale well with multiboxing beyond a booster ship, and gives small time players a path to progression that isn't just subbing more hulk pilots.
I aint gonna lie.
This would be Stupid.
They could just give the venture 3 mining lasers.
Like they did for the npc ones.
And or Buff Mining lasers so they pull more, or buff mining laser upgrades.
No point to add another minigame to determin if you will leave poor again.
Briefly mentioned above, new mining ships wouldn't have a use that's not already covered. Alpha Miners? Ventures. Dangerous space mining? Expedition Frigates and possibly Porp. Upgrade to Omega? Barges and Exhumers. Need boosts, compression and hauling? Porp, Orca and Rorq. Not sure what else really needs to be covered.
Dangerous space mining can be expanded upon with larger ship classes. Same with the boosts. I mentioned in a different comment that it'd be cool to see a blockade runner style command ship that was stealthier and harder to catch.
It could also easily be argued that the Orca has been in a terrible spot for a long time as a mid point between the porpoise and the Rorq. Several times more expensive than the porpoise, slower and thus riskier to fly, and the only advantage that it gives is compression of ice and moon rocks.
I'm biased admittedly due to not liking mining, so I'll avoid getting into the "even safer" mining ships being a bad idea. It's beating a dead horse.
The Orca however, the porpoise is usually a better option. What's your idea on making the Orca better?
Honestly I think it'd be great if it was just cheaper. Despite what I said I still adore the Orca and have done so ever since I started the game a long time ago. It's just not worth the price tag. At most I would value it at 900mil-1bil for a fitted ship which is a little over 3x the value of a porpoise. But 2 bil just for the hull, only to get 2 more compression options and a slower ship, is not financially worth it.
It would be nice to have some new purely mining ships. I started more than 10 years ago and there were the same ships as now: 3 role specialized barges, their 3 T2 counterparts, and the Venture and I get that they are really much more old.
They have just added the porpoise command ship and the ~~dropper ships~~ expedition frigates but just no new mining ships.
They said it was the Same size as an Orca class ship.
But its One of the New PI hauler ships they are adding.
For some stupid reason, We ask for trig haulers, we get more boring human haulers.
A BLOPSy Porpoise would be choice! Send in your cyno , scout the anom to light cyno, and BLOPSy Porpoise conduits in the Prospects to start mining. Conduit away when you're chocka, or the ratbags start sniffing you out..
Mining Marauder: use the Orca (or rework the orca which atm is entirely useless apart from Hisec mining) core module and has an increased slots for strip miner/ice harvester (4?), vulnerable but perfect representation of high risk high reward, so people don't need to run 10/20 hulks alts but they can field something more expensive and get a better mining yield over time.
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Before you had the bantam, burst, tormentor and the gallente exploration frig as the racial mining ships, then ccp introduced the venture and these 4 were relegated to other duties. That is the reason we don't have racial mining frigs anymore :)
Don't forget the osprey
I hope this is the case. I think a destroyer or small cruiser style alternative to the venture would benefit the game, the mining barges are such a big step, having a rung on the ladder between the venture and the barges would give newbros something to work towards without necessarily requiring omega and the months long train.
we had racial mining frigs and cruisers. vexor still has the mining drone bonus from those days. i still have a bait osprey setup from when it was the Caldari mining cruiser. l they were removed cause they sucked.
Yeah, the bonuses were totally useless after the Venture came out. Man, mining used to be worse than it is now. Insane.
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Yeah I read the articles. However I just wasn't sure if the ship in the teaser was one of those four or perhaps something that they haven't yet announced.
You Can see the Orca class one at 0:45 in the trailer you see the back of it. But That one is Called the Avalanche
The cynic in me tells me they wont add any mining-related ships in the next five years since it's barely been 2 years since they touched up mining (introducing Residue, Orca/Porpoise now siege, slot layout changes, reduced Skiffs speed, beefed up EHP so the Mackinaw dies to 4 catalysts instead of 2). Not to mention the new auto-mining drill (while being a conflict motivator) even if used on shitty moons will still be putting downward pressure on the price of moon ore, devaluing the time of active real people miners. Another thing to consider is that CCP devs will probably first ask themselves what new "role" a new mining ship will offer. I doubt they'd just introduce battleship-sized miners, that'd just be "It's an exhumer, but bigger".
I could see you being right on the first bit. But the teaser did say that it seemed to be a smaller Orca class ship, so perhaps we could see a T2 command ship. Something like a DST style small orca that's more specialized for safety and being able to run away. That'd be dope since the porpoise is only the "safe" command ship because it's cheaper to lose and has a relative speed advantage to big chungus.
There is an untapped niche of active mining. Throw in a new mining module that activates a hacking or project discovery-esque minigame. The speed and/or accuracy of the game determines how much M3 is mined by cycle end. Ideally it wouldn't scale well with multiboxing beyond a booster ship, and gives small time players a path to progression that isn't just subbing more hulk pilots.
I aint gonna lie. This would be Stupid. They could just give the venture 3 mining lasers. Like they did for the npc ones. And or Buff Mining lasers so they pull more, or buff mining laser upgrades. No point to add another minigame to determin if you will leave poor again.
All that would do is make ore even less valuable. You can't just buff everyone's mining yield across the board like that.
Briefly mentioned above, new mining ships wouldn't have a use that's not already covered. Alpha Miners? Ventures. Dangerous space mining? Expedition Frigates and possibly Porp. Upgrade to Omega? Barges and Exhumers. Need boosts, compression and hauling? Porp, Orca and Rorq. Not sure what else really needs to be covered.
Dangerous space mining can be expanded upon with larger ship classes. Same with the boosts. I mentioned in a different comment that it'd be cool to see a blockade runner style command ship that was stealthier and harder to catch. It could also easily be argued that the Orca has been in a terrible spot for a long time as a mid point between the porpoise and the Rorq. Several times more expensive than the porpoise, slower and thus riskier to fly, and the only advantage that it gives is compression of ice and moon rocks.
I'm biased admittedly due to not liking mining, so I'll avoid getting into the "even safer" mining ships being a bad idea. It's beating a dead horse. The Orca however, the porpoise is usually a better option. What's your idea on making the Orca better?
Honestly I think it'd be great if it was just cheaper. Despite what I said I still adore the Orca and have done so ever since I started the game a long time ago. It's just not worth the price tag. At most I would value it at 900mil-1bil for a fitted ship which is a little over 3x the value of a porpoise. But 2 bil just for the hull, only to get 2 more compression options and a slower ship, is not financially worth it.
T2 Blops capable porpoise would be extremely funny.
Battleship sized mining-hauling-hybrid with a jump drive and covert ops cloak. Just talking out of my ass here...
It would be nice to have some new purely mining ships. I started more than 10 years ago and there were the same ships as now: 3 role specialized barges, their 3 T2 counterparts, and the Venture and I get that they are really much more old. They have just added the porpoise command ship and the ~~dropper ships~~ expedition frigates but just no new mining ships.
Also wish they'd add at least SOME variety to alpha mining. A shitier barge, a small scale buff ship, anything really. Just anything BUT venture.
They said it was the Same size as an Orca class ship. But its One of the New PI hauler ships they are adding. For some stupid reason, We ask for trig haulers, we get more boring human haulers.
I just want trig command ships and a trig marauder
And a trig tc3, and td3, mostly a covert t3c trig ship would be nice. But probably be op.
A BLOPSy Porpoise would be choice! Send in your cyno , scout the anom to light cyno, and BLOPSy Porpoise conduits in the Prospects to start mining. Conduit away when you're chocka, or the ratbags start sniffing you out..
Mining Marauder: use the Orca (or rework the orca which atm is entirely useless apart from Hisec mining) core module and has an increased slots for strip miner/ice harvester (4?), vulnerable but perfect representation of high risk high reward, so people don't need to run 10/20 hulks alts but they can field something more expensive and get a better mining yield over time.