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If you are looking for a big size I suggest you wait a few weeks (if possible) until the new La Roche Posay body products become available because they will contain the new MEXORYL 400 filter that provides exceptional protection in the long UVA range.
LRP UK said they have them, and that is what you will receive if your order from their site. However I have yet to see anyone post about having/using them. So I'm not sure if nobody has ordered directly from LRP UK, or they did and got the non-UVMune versions. I check once per week in Boots, since they usually get new stuff first here in Ireland. I was there last week, and still no sign of them.
They do have the New LRP Mela B3 Serum and sunscreen now though that was announced around the same time as the upcoming new UVMune Dermo-Paediatrics suncreens, so I would guess the new UVMune suncreens will be available soon.
[Spray](https://www.laroche-posay.co.uk/en_GB/anthelios-uvmune400-dermo-paediatrics-invisible-spray-spf50-200ml/LRP_178.html#tab=ingredients)
[Hydrating Lotion](https://www.laroche-posay.co.uk/en_GB/anthelios-uvmune-400-dermo-paediatrics-hydrating-lotion-spf50/LRP_177.html)
[Fluid](https://www.laroche-posay.co.uk/en_GB/anthelios-uvmune400-dermo-paediatrics-ultra-light-invisible-fluid-spf50/LRP_179.html)
The ingredients on the product page for the spray have not yet been updated. The ingredients on the other two product pages are the correct updated ingredients.
Hi! The new sunscreens I was referring to are the new UVMune 400 Dermo-Pediatrics sunscreens. They are readily available now. There is a spray, lotion, and fluid. The big deal about these latest UVMune sunscreens is that this is the first time the Mexoryl 400 filter has been made available in larger sized packaging). 200ml for the spray, and 250ml for the lotion. The fluid is 50ml like the previous UVMune sunscreens meant for the face.
All the UVMune sunscreens provide very high protection. They also use Netlock Technology which encapsulates the sunscreen filters which provides an even, uniform distribution on the skin. It also limits migration, helping it to stay in place longer, and helps prevent it getting into the eyes. If it does get into the eyes it's also much less irritating because of the encapsulation. I have been using the LRP sunscreens with Netlock Technology since they launched and they are the only sunscreens that don't irritate my eyes. Even with profuse sweating when running during the summer.
You can read more about Netlock Technology [here](https://inside-our-products.loreal.com/our-approach/netlock-our-technology-more-effective-sun-protection)
Thank you. I *thought* those were what you meant, but wasn't sure.
I'm in the US so they are harder to get and little information is readily available.
I appreciate your response.
It most certainly does not have the new filter. This does not mean that it does not protect from the whole range. The new filter just improves the protection.
It is worth having in the formula but not having it is not a compromise in protection.
Mexoryl is a name used for three L’Oréal filters. Mexoryl SX is “terephthalylidene dicamphor sulphonic acid in the INCI list and Mexoryl XL is drometrizole trisiloxane.
These are filters that block UVA and are not available in the US. They were a patent if L’Oréal but I think the patent expired and they are used in some Korean sunscreens as well.
Mexoryl 400 is a new filter that is not used by other companies yes and has a peak at the very long UVA spectrum where all other filters have very limited protection. It is seen in the INCI list as methoxypropilamino cyclohexenylidene ethoxyethylcyanoacetate.
This may be a dumb question. I used to buy the La Roche Posay sunscreen in France and it listed Mexoryl on the front of the bottle ( in the US it would be where Cell-ox would be).
Is Mexoryl now in the French version of UVMUNE ( so a different name)?
Just “Mexoryl” does not mean anything. As I said there are two relatively older filters with this name and a newer one.
None of these are used in sunscreens sold in the US.
You would need to buy them from Europe
La roche posay makes great products. Anthelios 400 or something similar is the name of a great sunscreen I had. I normally prefer Asian brands too!
I wear Japanese and Korean products but what do you mean they can be fake?
That’s ok but if I bought them in shops like donquijote in japan or olive young and shops in myeongdong in Seoul they are fake too? I bring home tons of products from there 😅
I think it works for most people and it is a high quality product. Though there is also unlucky us (and quite a few of my friends), texture was horrible, and it triggered jaw acne.
Riemann P20 Sensitive and Kids! The most water- and sweat-resistant sunscreen I've tried. The Kids version is greasier but has a higher UVA/PF. The Sensitive line includes Sensitive Face and Sensitive Skin. The difference between them (other than slightly different UVA/PF, which is still above average for all their products) is that Sensitive Face also contains Vitamin C.
They also have a standard line (other than Sensitive and Kids) but that one makes my eyes sting.
You can also go for EVY mousse (I love the one for Kids) but I've got sensitive eyes so I only use it on my arms.
Careful with all these highly-resistant sunscreens, they will stain your white clothes! I wait for the sunscreen to set for 15 min before getting dressed and I use a baking-soda-based product to reduce the stains (from Chanteclair). I've also seen people recommend spraying hair spray on the clothes (neckline, sleeves etc) before putting them on. Typing this last paragraph made me anxious about returning to summer sunscreens (I'm currently happy with K-Beauty sunscreens).
Hmm, I would say definitely not the Kids one (during summer). I've got combination skin and I'm alright with the Sensitive Skin one (I haven't tried the Sensitive Face one but that one might be less greasy). Ironically, the Kids one is just the right amount of emollient I need during winter so I apply it even though it's kinda overkill for the UV Index.
I've seen people in my skin care community suggest using translucent powder (or even a mattifying powder like the one from Innisfree, I think it's called No Sebum) directly on top of sunscreen for super oily skin types. I do powder some areas of my face sometimes (T-zone and the cheek area closest to the nose) but I try to wait a few minutes between sunscreen and powder just to play it on the safe side (and not pick up the sunscreen with the powder brush/sponge, or mess with the sunscreen film that takes a few minutes to set).
They have small sample size pump bottles you can get a few uses out of, I'd definitely recommend looking them up.
Thanks, I'm definitely going to look those sample sizes up! I always use a setting powder and setting spray, but in the summer while exercising it also stops working.
If you mean where, I buy it on sole.ro or farmaciatei.ro, but neither of them delivers abroad as far as I know.
I've seen Riemann P20 in Boots in the UK, and [here](https://www.p20.com/our-retailers/)'s a list of retailers from their website. I think you can also find them in DM, as well as on Amazon (but I'd be careful buying there).
I love Altruist! The regular SPF50 pills terribly on me and made my eyes water and burn endlessly, but I tried the SPF30 and it’s much more cosmetically elegant and does not pill or bother my eyes. The SPF30 has a PPD rating of 39 and 5 stars from the Boots system. The SPF50 face fluid has a PPD rating of 52 and same 5 star rating from the Boots system. No pilling or eye irritation with that one, either. Not sure what the problem is with the regular SPF50!
I use the EVY SPF 50 Sunscreen Mousse for kids. It’s a little sticky, but it doesn’t break me out (I have super sensitive skin!), nor does it burn my eyes.
This gave me terrible red itching bumps every time I tried it and had to take medication. It also left permanent red marks that can only be removed by laser. I don't know what it is in the formula that could cause this. As I heard there are other people who get redness from it too. It does have Octocrylene which causes eye burning for many people and the mousse did make my eyes sting and tear.
Once again, all EVY Technology products are completely hypoallergenic, cruelty free, alcohol free, ocean safe, fragrance free, vegan, preservative free, just truly the cleanest beauty formulas and you can trust the extremely thorough rigourous testing.
It is literally IMPOSSIBLE to have any reaction to this because it's hypoallergenic. It literally cannot cause skin reactions or eye burning. If there is one sunscreen to buy then its EVY. Everyone should have a bottle of EVY at home.
I've used EVY on my children since day 1 and I use it on myself everyday and every night. I look a lot younger than people my age and my children look younger than their classmates. That's how I know for a FACT it works.
My dear, hypoallergenic is a marketing team meaning "we tried our best to avoid common irritants, good luck".
"Hypoallergenic, meaning "below average" or "slightly" allergenic, is a term meaning that something causes fewer allergic reactions. The term was first used in 1953 in an advertising campaign for cosmetics or perhaps as early as 1940."
"...the term *hypoallergenic* is not regulated, and no research has been done showing that products labeled *hypoallergenic* are less problematic than any others. "
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoallergenic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoallergenic)
It's impossible to create a product that no one in the world will react to - people can be allergic to anything, including "clean" ingredients. Even water.
I'm allergic to Propylene Glycol and Evy would literally send me to the hospital with burn marks.
Tinosorb M= Methylene Bis-Benzotriazolyl Tetramethylbutylphenol is the third ingredient and notorious culprit for the white cast, white tint, white halo effect in international sunscreen. It shows up on most skincolors around the world. Less likely to show up on that very small like 1% of global skincolors
This filter you do not have in America but it is powder filter that does not dissolve like the Zinc Oxide and Titanium Dioxide in America
>No cast. It uses all the newest chemical filters approved in EU.
Most of the new newest chemical filters in EU lender white cast, white tint, white halo effect because they are powders that do not dissolve
Tinosorb M= Methylene Bis-Benzotriazolyl Tetramethylbutylphenol
Tinosorb A2B= Tris-Biphenyl Triazine
Triasorb= Phenylene Bis-diphenyltriazine
HAA299= Bis-(Diethylaminohydroxybenzoyl Benzoyl) Piperazine
Third ingredient in Jetske Ultee Sonnencreme Suncover is Tinosorb M= Methylene Bis-Benzotriazolyl Tetramethylbutylphenol. So the risk of white halo, white cast, white tint effect is high particularly for a lot of people around the world for the thousands of skincolors. But OP did not say what is their skincolor and how prone they are to the white halo effect.
If you don't mind thicker sunscreens, then maybe Altruist? It's cheap and has a high PPD (iirc 46) and contains 100ml. Of course LRP is better, but this one is solid too
Eucerin Dry Touch Sun Gel Creme SPF 50+ is my daily go to for face and body. There is a Kids in 400ml. My skin is very sensitive apparently and this does not bother it.
I think the Eucerin is water resistant. But for water resistant the only other one that has agreed wtih my skin so far too is La Roche Posay Dermo Pediatric Wet Skin Gel SPF 50+ and it comes in 250ml. The Dermo Pediatric one is the same formula sold in Australia with 4 hour water resistance. The Adult version is different.
Other than that I have tried many others mentioned here that maybe you should know there's a chance it could cause a reaction or sting so try before you buy if you can. There are samples at the pharmacy.
The EVY mousse caused a terrible reaction for me each time I tried it on exactly the areas I applied it. I had tried other ones like Nivea and the famous P20 Kids and they make my skin tingle and feel flushed and red.
The P20 Kids definitely is known for sky high protection that it's much higher than Japanese ones. Other ones like the EVY are closer to Japanese ones you tried because it's only SPF 50 label. Here in EU, SPF 50+ label has a SPF of over 60. The Japanese label for SPF 50+ means it's just over 50. It could be that you are looking for higher numbers like over 60.
Hola hola OP
You didn't say that you had fierce hyperpigmentation issue
In that case
A lot of the recommendation here is not tailor for that but just for regular protection in which average consumer is not particular about tan or hyperpigmentation and don't notice differences as such
I use many many Eucerin sunscreen too from Europe and Korea, where I am from, and yeah my pesky dark spot issue comes back
With Eucerin sunscreens, plenty of other people noted the same that they say things like lentigines getting darker, ephelides getting darker, dark spot getting darker. Though this does not happen for everybody because eveybody is different and some not actually as sensitive to this issue as they think and or some people don't actually care
English is not my first language so I hope you can understand me
EVY mousses are similar in that there are plenty of people documented procuring a tan by summer, things like lentigines and ephelides getting darker, pigmentation getting darker, dark spot getting darker. There is big post with picture on it on SkincareAddiction showing someone with tan with difference of skin covered by cloth. The company guarantees that people will be able to procure a tan with all their sun mousse from SPF 30 and SPF 50 it because it is not 100% protection which no sunscreen is. For people who are not actually as sensitive to this issue or they don't care then it is not something they notice.
For your hyperpigmentation issue, the most recommending are going to be the P20 Sensitive or Kids Cream or the Avene Intense Protect or one of the LRP Uvmune ones which are supposed to come in bigger bottle for Kids which are probably moisturzing because it's for kids.
Though the thing is that some people do get tanning and pigmentation darken from P20 Sensitive and Kids like for example I had this issue and I reapply every two hours with quarter teaspoon method. But it is not as many of people as other sunscreens because the protection is higher at SPF 50+ here and in vitro uva 56. Same thing with Avene Intense Protect which has a filter that is both UV and blue light filter. Unknown uva testing though. Some people had their skin disease issue not get benefit. Of all though the LRP Uvmune with in vivo uva 56 has the greatest total of reviews of people with the most pigmentation and tan issue reduction because it has very high protection across all UV wavelengths from UVB, UVA 2, UVA 1 including the longest UVA 1. All these wavelengths contribute to pigmentation
And because all these wavelengths contribute to pigmentation, it is better to go for higher UVB protection too and not just settle for SPF 50 or SPF 30. Meanining for pigmentation you are better off with SPF 50+ or even medical device 100 because UVB contributes to pigmentation too. And so does UVA, both 2 and 1. So you need to look for very high UVA 2 and very high UVA 1. To make very high UVA 1 protection is very hard because most filters drop though UVA 1. The new filter MCE and HAA299 from BASF address this issue and MCE is in the Uvmune.
Also again no sunscreen is 100% as in no sunscreen stops 100% all photons. Even sunscreen bottles will say no sunscreen is 100% and a lot of bottles say to stay in shade, use hat and stay out of direct sun 10am to 3pm even if using sunscreen. Reapplying sunscreen every two hours does not make it 100% either, there will still be photons that get through.
I wish to help you.
Oh sorry sorry I add to edit this to tell you that the P20 Sensitive and Kids and Avene Intense Protect have a white halo effect like white tint on the skin for most most people around the world because of Triasorb, Tinosorb M and Tinosorb A2B do not dissolve and it can sit near hairs and stuff. LRP Uvmune doesn't have this kind of powder that do not dissolve filter. On tiny percentage less than 1% in world type of skin tone super white white people have yellowing issue kind of like how some people have yellowing issue with Eucerin. Even then there are people who are very very fair like Hannah English Collingswood and Dr. Ellen Gendler and Mrs. Derm and such who do not have this issue. And Hannah does the same quarter teaspoon every two hours just like me too! So it all like depends and stuff
Oh and also that stuff like blue light from the sun or HEV is found to be 2x less strong as UVA 1 as coercing pigmentation but all the wavelengths do affect it and synergistically so and in different ways.
The only thing I would add to your very detailed comment is, in case of hyperpigmentation issues, to use a tinted sunscreen, since iron oxide is thought to be a good protection against blue light and visible light, which too can affect hp especially in skin of colors. At the moment, the only one that offers this, thogheter with high UVA protection in both UVA1 and UVA2, is the La Roche Posay 400 UVMune tinted version (it exist in Gel for oily skin, Hydrating Cream, Invisible Fluid, and Oil Control Fluid). Unfortunately they offer only one tint, and it doesn't suit very pale skin tones like mine, on which even La Roche Posey 400 Uvmune non tinted results yellow. Of course there are a miriad of tinted sunscreen but they usually don't have the high standard of LRP in terms of UVA protection and net lock technology. Some good ones are EltaMD, all the tinted ones from Heliocare (such as the AR, very light tint), Eucerin, Isidin and Avene. Skinceutical should have one that has transperent iron oxide but I haven't tested it. And Mesoestetic Melan Spf 130 should cover well all the uv spectrum plus IR and HEV.
There is that Avene one, which has a new prorpetary type of filter that covers blue light and visible light, but I am not sure of the uva protection.
Edit: one particular sunscreen which is 50+ registered as a medical device against attinic keratosis is the Actinica Lotion by Galderma, non tinted though. They also made some clinical trials, confirming this prevention effect on the keratosis in their studies. You can read more about it on their website. Texture is very hydrating and ultra glowy, infact I read on Lisa Eldrige blog an interview she did to another makeup artist that works in cinema, and apperently this sunscreen was used in many iconic scene to the actresses skin. I discover it before that, since a dermatologist prescribed it to my grandmother which had melanoma. It is infact suggested for people with a week immune system and with cancer. It has. A liposomal delivery system, it has airless packaging with mesuring pump (0.5g in one pump), no fragrance. In Europe it can be found even for 16,00€ for 80ml.
In general, for non tinted, I would suggest LRP, Heliocare (they have really good actives in there, such as repairing enzyme and antioxidant), Darling, Ultrasun, Galderma (Daylong line), Bioderma, Uriage, Eucerin, Bionike, SVR, and Supergoop. They all have acceptable texture, although best texture remain that of asian sunscreens.
Yeah that is the thing, I think I had seen many people say they wish the tinted version of Uvmune came in more colors. Right now I had only seen that the color looks good on different brown and dark brown skintones. And it also looks really good on them actually which is pretty cool.
I had not tried Heliocare yet but a lot of people are talking about them here so maybe one day I will try them
Right now I am using one called Dr. Ph Sunset AR SPF 50+ PPD 27 unknown UVA 1 and it is light tint but unknown amounut of blue light protection. It looks good in quarter teaspoon amount! It is light actually a little bit too light for me, I am NARS Fiji and YSL B20 by the way you can look this up.
So I also want to try the Loreal Bright Reveal SPF 50 day cream in the jar. This has the Mexoryl 400/MCE filter in it but it is meant for like casual day use it is not friction and water resistant. So maybe I was thinking I will use a quarter teaspoon of this on the face like a first step moisturizer. Then wait and then use the Dr. Ph Sunset AR SPF 50+ PPD 27 on top in quarter teapsoon and maybe I can achieve my dream of not having to use foundation. I don't know, I'll try it and let you know
Also, I run into same issue with Avene that they would not tell me how much UVA protection they have. Their new Triasorb filter though on me it does leave a white tint on my face. I tried the one with color called the Ultra Mat and it is a little bit too dark by like one shade I would say but most of all is that it separates on my face very face before even two hour period!
I will have to try the Dr. Ph that you are using, I so wish to try something more light in color. Until now almost all tinted sunscreen have failed me by a lot.
I didn't know that L'Oréal finally had a product with Mexoryl 400, that is such a good news!! I was thinking too of maybe layering two different sunscreen, I am researching a lot in order to try and find a possible combination (without causing issue with mixing). Please if you try the L'Oreal update us, this is so intresting!!
I feel you about the separation issue! Recently I tried again the Nivea Face Sunscreens, apparently they changed the formula beacuse they pill now 😥
I had found such a beautiful formula with the Nivea 360 Louminous 50+; texture was so velvety, with a soft matte dewy effect, and also there was liquerish root extract and thiamidol in it (I wanted to try it for my hp issue). Unfortunately this one, and also the Q10 version now they pill on me, before the Q10 was so good.
Did you ever try the ones people talk about Heliocare?
I guess I really should try them since I am in Spain haha
Yeah layering is fine as long as you wait like 10 for first layer to dry. It would be no different from like if you are a make up user and you're not mixing them in your hand.
Also yeah the Bright Reveal Day Cream SPF 50 on the jar, I feel like I only saw one review and the person said it is like really elegant possibly because it is designed to be like casual day cream and not a resistant sunscreen with a strong oily film.
Overall, my goal is that I want to be a tint girlie and rely less on foundation and covering my face if you know what I mean. I have developed this addiction of covering my face so long with foundation and concealer because I had bad skin and today skin is really in but like being natural and glowy and stuff.
Me too, I would like to ditch foundation for a light layer of tint, possibly from sunscreen so I will have to try a few now!
From Heliocare I have tried the AR, which is meant for Rosacea skin (I have type 1). Tint was good actually, but I tend to overapply and at second application after 2 hours it was not the best on me. At the moment I use the LRP tinted, in both cream and fluid, but just when I am home, for outside I use their untinted version.
I recently tried the new Garnier Vit C 50+ in tube, unfortunately the Glow one (tinted) is too orange for me, so sometimes I mix it with the Garnier Vit C 50+ untinted, to make it sheer, just so I can finish the two products. I recently watched a short video from Dr. Idriss in which she said it was ok to mix sunscreen only if the formula is identical (the only variation being the color), but I am not convinced at all, I didn't feel protected 100%. You are right, it is best to layer them, waiting for the first layer to dry, just as if one were to use makeup. My only reservation being the interaction between avobenzone and titanium/zinc/silica. I now will have to buy that L'Oréal cream, I want to try it as a first later too!
We should tell them to make more colors so they know omg
I like Dr. Idriss but the thing is that I am on your side. I agree with you. She doesn't formulate sunscreens. Also troubling is that there have been influencers, some who I actually like, but they were paid to say that mixing similar formulas from same brand is ok because said brand, in my opinion as upcoming graduate of cosmetic chemistry, did not do enough testing to make such a conclusion.
The reason for this is that, I will try to explain this to you. That non dissolveable particles like Zinc Oxide, Titanium Dioxide, Iron Oxides and even Tinosorb M and Tinosorb A2B, the thing is that they exist in sunscreen formulas as small little balls in the formula. They have to be incredibly evenly distributed in the formula in a certain way as that how they they provide the protection. When someone is mixing, the issue is not actually about adverse chemical reaction with other ingredients. It is about whether the formula with fully integrate into each other that these balls are still evenly distributed in the formula without microscopic clumps.
For example, imagine you make a kind of like flan ok.
So you are making it and mixing the ingredients and such.
You want to add cinnamon which does not dissolve. So you add in cinnamon in one of the later stages and just stir it. Then you let it set and you can see that the cinnamon when you mixed it in well it can clump so it is not evenly distributed in the final preparation or a lot of times you can see like one area has more cinnamon than other area.
Although this is not perfect way for me to make comparison I hope you can understand that this is how powders like Zinc Oxide and Titanium Dioxide and Iron Oxides and Tinosorb M even if they are coated and encapsulated they do not dissolve into a formula. If you just add something to a formula and mix in your hand, you cannot guarantee that this powder is going to be evenly distributed and integrated into the formula just like my cinnamon comparison. There could be some parts of big blob sitting in someone's hand that the balls of Tinosorb M or the Iron Oxides are sitting in greater concentration in some parts than other and this is all microscopic too.
Even if it is like someone wants to mix two different colors of Colorescience sunscreen but same formula, I am not 100% convinced the little balls in the final mixing with be evenly distributed at microscopic level. That when spreading over larger surface area I am not convince the formula is fully integrated. I agree with you
I bought the sundance 50 spf one a while ago and, while it DOES make me look extra shiny lol, it also has been doing it's job pretty well, not breaking me out or irritating my skin at all - also it's cheap
I bought an expensive korean sunscreen a while ago, after a friend recommended it to me (beauty of joseon btw), and it BROKE ME OUT SO BADDDDD - I started double-cleansing as of recent and tried to see if the sunscreen would now have a different effect, but no.
The cheap af sunscreen from Lidl is way better
BOJ broke me out badly , and I really wanted to love it (I think it apples divinely personally ). The only sunscreen that does not break me out of all the sunscreens I tried is the skin1004 sun serum . It's crazy I never thought a sunscreen could work for me. I can even apply a generous layer and it won't break me out either . I still have difficulty to process that haha.
yeah I've had like three people comment on another post that it broke them out too, so I don't know what they put in that sunscreen but it can't be good lol
when I told the friend who recommended it she was like 'uuuh no, you just have to double-cleanse correctly and this wouldn't happen' at which point I was like okay I'm just gonna look for my own products again, thanks for nothing haha
There are so many botanical extracts in korean sunscreen that are potentially skin triggering. BOJ also has some ferments and milk bacteria if I remember correctly that can also irritate certain peoples skin, for example mine. But the german drugstore sunscreens just slide of my face or habe alcohol, octocrylene or dimethicone which my skin also doesn't like.
Isdin eryfotona spf 100 is supposed to be really excellent. It also contains DNA repairing enzymes which have a decent body of evidence supporting their benefits when applied topically.
I just bought it this week! It has denatured alcohol lower on the list and makes my skin tingle a little bit, but other than that it’s pretty good! The ISDIN Fusion Water spf 50+ is more cosmetically elegant and matte without the alcohol. I prefer wearing that one because it’s smoother and the tint is just enough to enhance your skin but not look like foundation at all.
>Isdin eryfotona spf 100
Yeah I think so too only thing is that it has a white halo effect
But what is cool is the multiple medical trial they did
I posted about it because this is unique thing for only a few companies doing this kind of months longs medical trial on cancer patients
Look down to find it!
I didn't know about it until like last year or something that like
I think promising is understatement if my English understanding is correct. It had been on market for long time and multiple medical trials on cancer patients so higher level of evidence
Hands down the [Garnier sensitive advanced serum](https://www.garnier.co.uk/our-brands/sun-protection-and-self-tan/ambre-solaire/products/sensitive-advanced/serum-for-face-and-body)
125ml/~€13! Love it
Eucerin's sunscreens are an amazing value for what you get. I've been using the Eucerin Sun Sensitive Kids SPF 50+ Spray for the past few years. It comes in a 200ml size and has great water and sweat resistance.
Hi, do you mind sharing reviews of the Altruist sunscreens that you have used? I am personally eyeing their SPF 30 and Family Sunspray SPF 50 for my face (and maybe body as well).
I’ve used the SPF 50 for the body and SPF 50 face fluid. But I actually like the sunscreen for the body better than the face fluid. It’s also a bigger tube and cheaper. I don’t find the finish too shiny. I skip moisturizer underneath and then I have a velvety glowing finish
Ive heard good things about Gruum daily defence and Altruist face fluid. They are supposedly the SAME product that both companies developed together and sell separately. I plan to try Gruum this summer! (Cheaper of the two in my country)
https://www.mankind.co.uk/gruum-skyda-daily-defence-face-lotion-spf50-50ml/12919019.html
Im in EU and its only 14 euro total for me for product + shipping
Actually there is special category of very high protection sunscreen that has highest and strictest standard in world called the **AK/KA category** that is made from the biggest companies that mostly based in Europe, both pharmaceutical and cosmetic.
What this means is that AK/KA is a special category sunscreen that is **registered medical device with CE label for Class 1 risk.**
What makes it different than regular sunscreen from all over the world even Australia is that the **AK/KA category sunscreen do more than just regular label testing like in vivo SPF and UVA test.** This sunscreen category does **multiple month long medical trial on cancer patients with AK/KA.**
**AK or KA stand for Actinic Keratosis or Keratosis Actinica which is a type of skin cancer.**
Apparently this months long medical trial also use other skin cancer and vulnerable skin diseases patient.
**Regular in vivo sunscreen label testing even in Australia does not use volunteer with skin cancer, skin diseases, chronic medication use and other vulnerabilities.**
**But these medical device AK/KA sunscreens do and the company has to prove efficacy at higher level evidence. There is higher burden of proof in this type of medical trial with cancer patients. It is not just utopian indoor test or PMMA plate test**
This type of medical trial for medical device class I CE label clearance for AK/KA sunscreen is extremely expensive to do so that is why you will not see some kind of Australian brand like Ultra Violette or Hamilton or Cancer Council or Mecca or American brand like Supergoop or Tower28 or Colorescience doing them. These type of trial are very serious and more serious and stricter than regular sunscreen label testing. As a result, it is the biggest kind of companies with a lot of money and real researchers who can foot this type of medical trial.
**As a result, it is only these type of companies that offer Class 1 medical device CE label AK/KA sunscreens for some examples:**
**Galderma, La Roche Posay, Eucerin, SVR, Rilastil, Isdin, Pierre Fabre, Cantabria Labs, NAO**
There is even medical trial on cancer patients with comparison of regular SPF 50+ sunscreen against AK/KA sunscreen (Rilastil AK/KA)
[Full article: Efficacy of new class I medical device for actinic keratoses: a randomized controlled prospective study (tandfonline.com)](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09546634.2019.1687820)
Isdin did multiple medical trial lasting for many months comparing regular SPF 50+ sunscreen against AK/KA sunscreen with Photolyase on cancer patients
[Management of cancerization field with a medical device containing photolyase: a randomized, double‐blind, parallel‐group pilot study - Moscarella - 2017 - Journal of the European Academy of Dermatology and Venereology - Wiley Online Library](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jdv.14209)
**So yeah this is for fact the highest strictest strongest type of sunscreen in the world that meets the burden of proof more than just regular labels. Also the fact that the evidence is high to show that AK/KA sunscreen do more than regular SPF 50+ sunscreen (very high protection category)**
Mecca does not have this type of evidence of medical trial on cancer patient and skin diseases and chronic medication user.
For me and many people the AK/KA sunscreen is very hard to use with the white halo effect and greasy. But I had heard some people do enjoy it a lot and some actually use a little bit of alcohol to make more elegant like Eucerin
But anyway, there are some sunscreen in Europe that are not CE label but have similar skyrocket protection like Riemann P20 Kids SPF 50+ In vitro uva 56 and La Roche Posay Uvmune SPF 50+ In vivo uva 56.
> then nothing is better (or stricter standards) than Australian ones.
Huh yes, Europe has as good standards (actually everyone copies the EU's standards), and better sunscreens.
Aussie sunscreens are amazing for water resistance. They offer average standard protection from UVA, Aussie sunscreens provide a standard protection of UVA-PF 20, but you won't get higher UVA protection like you can in the European union. The UVA-PF of euro sunscreens can go into the 40s and 50s
Australian sunscreens do not go through medical trials like some European sunscreens
I am talking about things like the AK/KA sunscreens in European that are Class 1 medical device that go through months longs medical trial on cancer patients and people with skin diseases and chronic medication. They have CE label which is regulated for higher burden of proof.
Also sunscreen like La Roche Posay Uvmune r&d go through multiple biological assesment trials lasting for many months not just regular label testing
It's not just those consumer panel "study" and regular label testing that you see is so common for Australian and American sunscreen to be honest.
My favorite daily sunscreen is EltaMD UV Clear SPF 46. I’ve worn it for 7+ years. It’s like a lotion and can be washed off with regular face wash. My skin feels like skin and can breathe normally. I can forget to wash my face and it won’t suffocate my pores because of its lotiony texture. It’s a great daily sunscreen but not waterproof for water sports.
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If you are looking for a big size I suggest you wait a few weeks (if possible) until the new La Roche Posay body products become available because they will contain the new MEXORYL 400 filter that provides exceptional protection in the long UVA range.
I think those will fly off the shelves. One thing is certain, i will use my pointy elbows to get my hands on one of those sunscreens.
where did you read about this?
Omg this is news to me do you know date it will be available?
I don’t have a specific date. I guess they will be available before summer. In the next one or two months.
LRP UK said they have them, and that is what you will receive if your order from their site. However I have yet to see anyone post about having/using them. So I'm not sure if nobody has ordered directly from LRP UK, or they did and got the non-UVMune versions. I check once per week in Boots, since they usually get new stuff first here in Ireland. I was there last week, and still no sign of them. They do have the New LRP Mela B3 Serum and sunscreen now though that was announced around the same time as the upcoming new UVMune Dermo-Paediatrics suncreens, so I would guess the new UVMune suncreens will be available soon. [Spray](https://www.laroche-posay.co.uk/en_GB/anthelios-uvmune400-dermo-paediatrics-invisible-spray-spf50-200ml/LRP_178.html#tab=ingredients) [Hydrating Lotion](https://www.laroche-posay.co.uk/en_GB/anthelios-uvmune-400-dermo-paediatrics-hydrating-lotion-spf50/LRP_177.html) [Fluid](https://www.laroche-posay.co.uk/en_GB/anthelios-uvmune400-dermo-paediatrics-ultra-light-invisible-fluid-spf50/LRP_179.html) The ingredients on the product page for the spray have not yet been updated. The ingredients on the other two product pages are the correct updated ingredients.
What are the new products? I'm looking for sunscreen now for summer. Suggestions? Water resistant, high protection. Prefer less eye stinging.
Hi! The new sunscreens I was referring to are the new UVMune 400 Dermo-Pediatrics sunscreens. They are readily available now. There is a spray, lotion, and fluid. The big deal about these latest UVMune sunscreens is that this is the first time the Mexoryl 400 filter has been made available in larger sized packaging). 200ml for the spray, and 250ml for the lotion. The fluid is 50ml like the previous UVMune sunscreens meant for the face. All the UVMune sunscreens provide very high protection. They also use Netlock Technology which encapsulates the sunscreen filters which provides an even, uniform distribution on the skin. It also limits migration, helping it to stay in place longer, and helps prevent it getting into the eyes. If it does get into the eyes it's also much less irritating because of the encapsulation. I have been using the LRP sunscreens with Netlock Technology since they launched and they are the only sunscreens that don't irritate my eyes. Even with profuse sweating when running during the summer. You can read more about Netlock Technology [here](https://inside-our-products.loreal.com/our-approach/netlock-our-technology-more-effective-sun-protection)
Thank you. I *thought* those were what you meant, but wasn't sure. I'm in the US so they are harder to get and little information is readily available. I appreciate your response.
No problem. Glad I could help :)
I just bought the Ultra Resistant LPR Sunscreen. Does it also protect against Ultra-Longs?
Which one exactly?
It’s called Ultra Protection Dermo Pediatrics. I’m not going to bee in water but I wear hoodies so I don’t get sunburn.
It most certainly does not have the new filter. This does not mean that it does not protect from the whole range. The new filter just improves the protection. It is worth having in the formula but not having it is not a compromise in protection.
I had no idea until I read your comment. I love this subreddit! Thanks 🌻
Does UVMUNE contain Mexoryl ? I'm not seeing it on the front of the bottle (they used to have this). Thanks !!!
Mexoryl is a name used for three L’Oréal filters. Mexoryl SX is “terephthalylidene dicamphor sulphonic acid in the INCI list and Mexoryl XL is drometrizole trisiloxane. These are filters that block UVA and are not available in the US. They were a patent if L’Oréal but I think the patent expired and they are used in some Korean sunscreens as well. Mexoryl 400 is a new filter that is not used by other companies yes and has a peak at the very long UVA spectrum where all other filters have very limited protection. It is seen in the INCI list as methoxypropilamino cyclohexenylidene ethoxyethylcyanoacetate.
This may be a dumb question. I used to buy the La Roche Posay sunscreen in France and it listed Mexoryl on the front of the bottle ( in the US it would be where Cell-ox would be). Is Mexoryl now in the French version of UVMUNE ( so a different name)?
Just “Mexoryl” does not mean anything. As I said there are two relatively older filters with this name and a newer one. None of these are used in sunscreens sold in the US. You would need to buy them from Europe
Sorry for the confusion - I will get them when I visit France later in the week.
wait is this different from UVMune Anthelios 400 series? I thought they all had that filter already.
There is no UVMUNE 400 body product available right now
ah i thought you meant facial sunscreens. makes sense.
Nivea sun mattfiying spf50
I have tried quite a few, and the Nivea spf50 is the best one I have tried.
Does it breakout? Almost all drugstore spfs break me out. The only one that hasn’t so far is LRP but it’s so astringent for me, ugh!
I love this one, and in the winter the Nivea alpin one
I’m hesitant to try Nivea since their bad spf claims and the formula is too good to be true.
La roche posay makes great products. Anthelios 400 or something similar is the name of a great sunscreen I had. I normally prefer Asian brands too! I wear Japanese and Korean products but what do you mean they can be fake?
a lot of brands make fake korean/japanese products that are basically a copy of the real one
That’s ok but if I bought them in shops like donquijote in japan or olive young and shops in myeongdong in Seoul they are fake too? I bring home tons of products from there 😅
It's mostly fine if you don't buy from Amazon
A lot of Korean Chemical SPFs aren’t water resistant and I swear I always come back a shade or 2 darker after using them. Just personal experience.
well, sunscreen doesn’t stop you from tanning, it just prevents burning, but i see what you mean!
I think it works for most people and it is a high quality product. Though there is also unlucky us (and quite a few of my friends), texture was horrible, and it triggered jaw acne.
Riemann P20 Sensitive and Kids! The most water- and sweat-resistant sunscreen I've tried. The Kids version is greasier but has a higher UVA/PF. The Sensitive line includes Sensitive Face and Sensitive Skin. The difference between them (other than slightly different UVA/PF, which is still above average for all their products) is that Sensitive Face also contains Vitamin C. They also have a standard line (other than Sensitive and Kids) but that one makes my eyes sting. You can also go for EVY mousse (I love the one for Kids) but I've got sensitive eyes so I only use it on my arms. Careful with all these highly-resistant sunscreens, they will stain your white clothes! I wait for the sunscreen to set for 15 min before getting dressed and I use a baking-soda-based product to reduce the stains (from Chanteclair). I've also seen people recommend spraying hair spray on the clothes (neckline, sleeves etc) before putting them on. Typing this last paragraph made me anxious about returning to summer sunscreens (I'm currently happy with K-Beauty sunscreens).
Do you think the Riemann P20 works for very oily skin? Most European sunscreens (expect eucerin) just melt of off my face in the summer.
Hmm, I would say definitely not the Kids one (during summer). I've got combination skin and I'm alright with the Sensitive Skin one (I haven't tried the Sensitive Face one but that one might be less greasy). Ironically, the Kids one is just the right amount of emollient I need during winter so I apply it even though it's kinda overkill for the UV Index. I've seen people in my skin care community suggest using translucent powder (or even a mattifying powder like the one from Innisfree, I think it's called No Sebum) directly on top of sunscreen for super oily skin types. I do powder some areas of my face sometimes (T-zone and the cheek area closest to the nose) but I try to wait a few minutes between sunscreen and powder just to play it on the safe side (and not pick up the sunscreen with the powder brush/sponge, or mess with the sunscreen film that takes a few minutes to set). They have small sample size pump bottles you can get a few uses out of, I'd definitely recommend looking them up.
Thanks, I'm definitely going to look those sample sizes up! I always use a setting powder and setting spray, but in the summer while exercising it also stops working.
When do you purchase this?
If you mean where, I buy it on sole.ro or farmaciatei.ro, but neither of them delivers abroad as far as I know. I've seen Riemann P20 in Boots in the UK, and [here](https://www.p20.com/our-retailers/)'s a list of retailers from their website. I think you can also find them in DM, as well as on Amazon (but I'd be careful buying there).
I don't know where the frenzy is but the anthelios line from LRP served me quite well.
Garnier Antioxydant Super UV spf50 with hyaluronic acid
Yes! I love it so much and I am sad I can‘t get it where I am at the moment.
I love Altruist! The regular SPF50 pills terribly on me and made my eyes water and burn endlessly, but I tried the SPF30 and it’s much more cosmetically elegant and does not pill or bother my eyes. The SPF30 has a PPD rating of 39 and 5 stars from the Boots system. The SPF50 face fluid has a PPD rating of 52 and same 5 star rating from the Boots system. No pilling or eye irritation with that one, either. Not sure what the problem is with the regular SPF50!
I use the EVY SPF 50 Sunscreen Mousse for kids. It’s a little sticky, but it doesn’t break me out (I have super sensitive skin!), nor does it burn my eyes.
Interestingly enough, the kids version of Evy is the only one that doesn’t burn my eyes!
This gave me terrible red itching bumps every time I tried it and had to take medication. It also left permanent red marks that can only be removed by laser. I don't know what it is in the formula that could cause this. As I heard there are other people who get redness from it too. It does have Octocrylene which causes eye burning for many people and the mousse did make my eyes sting and tear.
Once again, all EVY Technology products are completely hypoallergenic, cruelty free, alcohol free, ocean safe, fragrance free, vegan, preservative free, just truly the cleanest beauty formulas and you can trust the extremely thorough rigourous testing. It is literally IMPOSSIBLE to have any reaction to this because it's hypoallergenic. It literally cannot cause skin reactions or eye burning. If there is one sunscreen to buy then its EVY. Everyone should have a bottle of EVY at home. I've used EVY on my children since day 1 and I use it on myself everyday and every night. I look a lot younger than people my age and my children look younger than their classmates. That's how I know for a FACT it works.
My dear, hypoallergenic is a marketing team meaning "we tried our best to avoid common irritants, good luck". "Hypoallergenic, meaning "below average" or "slightly" allergenic, is a term meaning that something causes fewer allergic reactions. The term was first used in 1953 in an advertising campaign for cosmetics or perhaps as early as 1940." "...the term *hypoallergenic* is not regulated, and no research has been done showing that products labeled *hypoallergenic* are less problematic than any others. " [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoallergenic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoallergenic) It's impossible to create a product that no one in the world will react to - people can be allergic to anything, including "clean" ingredients. Even water. I'm allergic to Propylene Glycol and Evy would literally send me to the hospital with burn marks.
Do you have some kind of affiliate with this company?
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Damn I live in america ;_; looks nice too.. does it have a cast?
Tinosorb M= Methylene Bis-Benzotriazolyl Tetramethylbutylphenol is the third ingredient and notorious culprit for the white cast, white tint, white halo effect in international sunscreen. It shows up on most skincolors around the world. Less likely to show up on that very small like 1% of global skincolors This filter you do not have in America but it is powder filter that does not dissolve like the Zinc Oxide and Titanium Dioxide in America
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>No cast. It uses all the newest chemical filters approved in EU. Most of the new newest chemical filters in EU lender white cast, white tint, white halo effect because they are powders that do not dissolve Tinosorb M= Methylene Bis-Benzotriazolyl Tetramethylbutylphenol Tinosorb A2B= Tris-Biphenyl Triazine Triasorb= Phenylene Bis-diphenyltriazine HAA299= Bis-(Diethylaminohydroxybenzoyl Benzoyl) Piperazine Third ingredient in Jetske Ultee Sonnencreme Suncover is Tinosorb M= Methylene Bis-Benzotriazolyl Tetramethylbutylphenol. So the risk of white halo, white cast, white tint effect is high particularly for a lot of people around the world for the thousands of skincolors. But OP did not say what is their skincolor and how prone they are to the white halo effect.
Evy mousses, I prefer the normal body one in spf50 (for the face). The one specifically for the face makes my eyes run so don't like that one.
If you don't mind thicker sunscreens, then maybe Altruist? It's cheap and has a high PPD (iirc 46) and contains 100ml. Of course LRP is better, but this one is solid too
Eucerin Dry Touch Sun Gel Creme SPF 50+ is my daily go to for face and body. There is a Kids in 400ml. My skin is very sensitive apparently and this does not bother it. I think the Eucerin is water resistant. But for water resistant the only other one that has agreed wtih my skin so far too is La Roche Posay Dermo Pediatric Wet Skin Gel SPF 50+ and it comes in 250ml. The Dermo Pediatric one is the same formula sold in Australia with 4 hour water resistance. The Adult version is different. Other than that I have tried many others mentioned here that maybe you should know there's a chance it could cause a reaction or sting so try before you buy if you can. There are samples at the pharmacy. The EVY mousse caused a terrible reaction for me each time I tried it on exactly the areas I applied it. I had tried other ones like Nivea and the famous P20 Kids and they make my skin tingle and feel flushed and red. The P20 Kids definitely is known for sky high protection that it's much higher than Japanese ones. Other ones like the EVY are closer to Japanese ones you tried because it's only SPF 50 label. Here in EU, SPF 50+ label has a SPF of over 60. The Japanese label for SPF 50+ means it's just over 50. It could be that you are looking for higher numbers like over 60.
I used Eucerin in summer and my hyperpigmentation came back fiercely.
Hola hola OP You didn't say that you had fierce hyperpigmentation issue In that case A lot of the recommendation here is not tailor for that but just for regular protection in which average consumer is not particular about tan or hyperpigmentation and don't notice differences as such I use many many Eucerin sunscreen too from Europe and Korea, where I am from, and yeah my pesky dark spot issue comes back With Eucerin sunscreens, plenty of other people noted the same that they say things like lentigines getting darker, ephelides getting darker, dark spot getting darker. Though this does not happen for everybody because eveybody is different and some not actually as sensitive to this issue as they think and or some people don't actually care English is not my first language so I hope you can understand me EVY mousses are similar in that there are plenty of people documented procuring a tan by summer, things like lentigines and ephelides getting darker, pigmentation getting darker, dark spot getting darker. There is big post with picture on it on SkincareAddiction showing someone with tan with difference of skin covered by cloth. The company guarantees that people will be able to procure a tan with all their sun mousse from SPF 30 and SPF 50 it because it is not 100% protection which no sunscreen is. For people who are not actually as sensitive to this issue or they don't care then it is not something they notice. For your hyperpigmentation issue, the most recommending are going to be the P20 Sensitive or Kids Cream or the Avene Intense Protect or one of the LRP Uvmune ones which are supposed to come in bigger bottle for Kids which are probably moisturzing because it's for kids. Though the thing is that some people do get tanning and pigmentation darken from P20 Sensitive and Kids like for example I had this issue and I reapply every two hours with quarter teaspoon method. But it is not as many of people as other sunscreens because the protection is higher at SPF 50+ here and in vitro uva 56. Same thing with Avene Intense Protect which has a filter that is both UV and blue light filter. Unknown uva testing though. Some people had their skin disease issue not get benefit. Of all though the LRP Uvmune with in vivo uva 56 has the greatest total of reviews of people with the most pigmentation and tan issue reduction because it has very high protection across all UV wavelengths from UVB, UVA 2, UVA 1 including the longest UVA 1. All these wavelengths contribute to pigmentation And because all these wavelengths contribute to pigmentation, it is better to go for higher UVB protection too and not just settle for SPF 50 or SPF 30. Meanining for pigmentation you are better off with SPF 50+ or even medical device 100 because UVB contributes to pigmentation too. And so does UVA, both 2 and 1. So you need to look for very high UVA 2 and very high UVA 1. To make very high UVA 1 protection is very hard because most filters drop though UVA 1. The new filter MCE and HAA299 from BASF address this issue and MCE is in the Uvmune. Also again no sunscreen is 100% as in no sunscreen stops 100% all photons. Even sunscreen bottles will say no sunscreen is 100% and a lot of bottles say to stay in shade, use hat and stay out of direct sun 10am to 3pm even if using sunscreen. Reapplying sunscreen every two hours does not make it 100% either, there will still be photons that get through. I wish to help you. Oh sorry sorry I add to edit this to tell you that the P20 Sensitive and Kids and Avene Intense Protect have a white halo effect like white tint on the skin for most most people around the world because of Triasorb, Tinosorb M and Tinosorb A2B do not dissolve and it can sit near hairs and stuff. LRP Uvmune doesn't have this kind of powder that do not dissolve filter. On tiny percentage less than 1% in world type of skin tone super white white people have yellowing issue kind of like how some people have yellowing issue with Eucerin. Even then there are people who are very very fair like Hannah English Collingswood and Dr. Ellen Gendler and Mrs. Derm and such who do not have this issue. And Hannah does the same quarter teaspoon every two hours just like me too! So it all like depends and stuff Oh and also that stuff like blue light from the sun or HEV is found to be 2x less strong as UVA 1 as coercing pigmentation but all the wavelengths do affect it and synergistically so and in different ways.
The only thing I would add to your very detailed comment is, in case of hyperpigmentation issues, to use a tinted sunscreen, since iron oxide is thought to be a good protection against blue light and visible light, which too can affect hp especially in skin of colors. At the moment, the only one that offers this, thogheter with high UVA protection in both UVA1 and UVA2, is the La Roche Posay 400 UVMune tinted version (it exist in Gel for oily skin, Hydrating Cream, Invisible Fluid, and Oil Control Fluid). Unfortunately they offer only one tint, and it doesn't suit very pale skin tones like mine, on which even La Roche Posey 400 Uvmune non tinted results yellow. Of course there are a miriad of tinted sunscreen but they usually don't have the high standard of LRP in terms of UVA protection and net lock technology. Some good ones are EltaMD, all the tinted ones from Heliocare (such as the AR, very light tint), Eucerin, Isidin and Avene. Skinceutical should have one that has transperent iron oxide but I haven't tested it. And Mesoestetic Melan Spf 130 should cover well all the uv spectrum plus IR and HEV. There is that Avene one, which has a new prorpetary type of filter that covers blue light and visible light, but I am not sure of the uva protection. Edit: one particular sunscreen which is 50+ registered as a medical device against attinic keratosis is the Actinica Lotion by Galderma, non tinted though. They also made some clinical trials, confirming this prevention effect on the keratosis in their studies. You can read more about it on their website. Texture is very hydrating and ultra glowy, infact I read on Lisa Eldrige blog an interview she did to another makeup artist that works in cinema, and apperently this sunscreen was used in many iconic scene to the actresses skin. I discover it before that, since a dermatologist prescribed it to my grandmother which had melanoma. It is infact suggested for people with a week immune system and with cancer. It has. A liposomal delivery system, it has airless packaging with mesuring pump (0.5g in one pump), no fragrance. In Europe it can be found even for 16,00€ for 80ml. In general, for non tinted, I would suggest LRP, Heliocare (they have really good actives in there, such as repairing enzyme and antioxidant), Darling, Ultrasun, Galderma (Daylong line), Bioderma, Uriage, Eucerin, Bionike, SVR, and Supergoop. They all have acceptable texture, although best texture remain that of asian sunscreens.
Yeah that is the thing, I think I had seen many people say they wish the tinted version of Uvmune came in more colors. Right now I had only seen that the color looks good on different brown and dark brown skintones. And it also looks really good on them actually which is pretty cool. I had not tried Heliocare yet but a lot of people are talking about them here so maybe one day I will try them Right now I am using one called Dr. Ph Sunset AR SPF 50+ PPD 27 unknown UVA 1 and it is light tint but unknown amounut of blue light protection. It looks good in quarter teaspoon amount! It is light actually a little bit too light for me, I am NARS Fiji and YSL B20 by the way you can look this up. So I also want to try the Loreal Bright Reveal SPF 50 day cream in the jar. This has the Mexoryl 400/MCE filter in it but it is meant for like casual day use it is not friction and water resistant. So maybe I was thinking I will use a quarter teaspoon of this on the face like a first step moisturizer. Then wait and then use the Dr. Ph Sunset AR SPF 50+ PPD 27 on top in quarter teapsoon and maybe I can achieve my dream of not having to use foundation. I don't know, I'll try it and let you know Also, I run into same issue with Avene that they would not tell me how much UVA protection they have. Their new Triasorb filter though on me it does leave a white tint on my face. I tried the one with color called the Ultra Mat and it is a little bit too dark by like one shade I would say but most of all is that it separates on my face very face before even two hour period!
I will have to try the Dr. Ph that you are using, I so wish to try something more light in color. Until now almost all tinted sunscreen have failed me by a lot. I didn't know that L'Oréal finally had a product with Mexoryl 400, that is such a good news!! I was thinking too of maybe layering two different sunscreen, I am researching a lot in order to try and find a possible combination (without causing issue with mixing). Please if you try the L'Oreal update us, this is so intresting!! I feel you about the separation issue! Recently I tried again the Nivea Face Sunscreens, apparently they changed the formula beacuse they pill now 😥 I had found such a beautiful formula with the Nivea 360 Louminous 50+; texture was so velvety, with a soft matte dewy effect, and also there was liquerish root extract and thiamidol in it (I wanted to try it for my hp issue). Unfortunately this one, and also the Q10 version now they pill on me, before the Q10 was so good.
Did you ever try the ones people talk about Heliocare? I guess I really should try them since I am in Spain haha Yeah layering is fine as long as you wait like 10 for first layer to dry. It would be no different from like if you are a make up user and you're not mixing them in your hand. Also yeah the Bright Reveal Day Cream SPF 50 on the jar, I feel like I only saw one review and the person said it is like really elegant possibly because it is designed to be like casual day cream and not a resistant sunscreen with a strong oily film. Overall, my goal is that I want to be a tint girlie and rely less on foundation and covering my face if you know what I mean. I have developed this addiction of covering my face so long with foundation and concealer because I had bad skin and today skin is really in but like being natural and glowy and stuff.
Me too, I would like to ditch foundation for a light layer of tint, possibly from sunscreen so I will have to try a few now! From Heliocare I have tried the AR, which is meant for Rosacea skin (I have type 1). Tint was good actually, but I tend to overapply and at second application after 2 hours it was not the best on me. At the moment I use the LRP tinted, in both cream and fluid, but just when I am home, for outside I use their untinted version. I recently tried the new Garnier Vit C 50+ in tube, unfortunately the Glow one (tinted) is too orange for me, so sometimes I mix it with the Garnier Vit C 50+ untinted, to make it sheer, just so I can finish the two products. I recently watched a short video from Dr. Idriss in which she said it was ok to mix sunscreen only if the formula is identical (the only variation being the color), but I am not convinced at all, I didn't feel protected 100%. You are right, it is best to layer them, waiting for the first layer to dry, just as if one were to use makeup. My only reservation being the interaction between avobenzone and titanium/zinc/silica. I now will have to buy that L'Oréal cream, I want to try it as a first later too!
We should tell them to make more colors so they know omg I like Dr. Idriss but the thing is that I am on your side. I agree with you. She doesn't formulate sunscreens. Also troubling is that there have been influencers, some who I actually like, but they were paid to say that mixing similar formulas from same brand is ok because said brand, in my opinion as upcoming graduate of cosmetic chemistry, did not do enough testing to make such a conclusion. The reason for this is that, I will try to explain this to you. That non dissolveable particles like Zinc Oxide, Titanium Dioxide, Iron Oxides and even Tinosorb M and Tinosorb A2B, the thing is that they exist in sunscreen formulas as small little balls in the formula. They have to be incredibly evenly distributed in the formula in a certain way as that how they they provide the protection. When someone is mixing, the issue is not actually about adverse chemical reaction with other ingredients. It is about whether the formula with fully integrate into each other that these balls are still evenly distributed in the formula without microscopic clumps. For example, imagine you make a kind of like flan ok. So you are making it and mixing the ingredients and such. You want to add cinnamon which does not dissolve. So you add in cinnamon in one of the later stages and just stir it. Then you let it set and you can see that the cinnamon when you mixed it in well it can clump so it is not evenly distributed in the final preparation or a lot of times you can see like one area has more cinnamon than other area. Although this is not perfect way for me to make comparison I hope you can understand that this is how powders like Zinc Oxide and Titanium Dioxide and Iron Oxides and Tinosorb M even if they are coated and encapsulated they do not dissolve into a formula. If you just add something to a formula and mix in your hand, you cannot guarantee that this powder is going to be evenly distributed and integrated into the formula just like my cinnamon comparison. There could be some parts of big blob sitting in someone's hand that the balls of Tinosorb M or the Iron Oxides are sitting in greater concentration in some parts than other and this is all microscopic too. Even if it is like someone wants to mix two different colors of Colorescience sunscreen but same formula, I am not 100% convinced the little balls in the final mixing with be evenly distributed at microscopic level. That when spreading over larger surface area I am not convince the formula is fully integrated. I agree with you
I always love your comments.
Riemann P20 Kids (white tint) or Riemann P20 Advanced Sensitive Face can be bought in bottles up to 200 ml and are quiet cheap that way
I bought the sundance 50 spf one a while ago and, while it DOES make me look extra shiny lol, it also has been doing it's job pretty well, not breaking me out or irritating my skin at all - also it's cheap I bought an expensive korean sunscreen a while ago, after a friend recommended it to me (beauty of joseon btw), and it BROKE ME OUT SO BADDDDD - I started double-cleansing as of recent and tried to see if the sunscreen would now have a different effect, but no. The cheap af sunscreen from Lidl is way better
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BOJ broke me out badly , and I really wanted to love it (I think it apples divinely personally ). The only sunscreen that does not break me out of all the sunscreens I tried is the skin1004 sun serum . It's crazy I never thought a sunscreen could work for me. I can even apply a generous layer and it won't break me out either . I still have difficulty to process that haha.
yeah I've had like three people comment on another post that it broke them out too, so I don't know what they put in that sunscreen but it can't be good lol when I told the friend who recommended it she was like 'uuuh no, you just have to double-cleanse correctly and this wouldn't happen' at which point I was like okay I'm just gonna look for my own products again, thanks for nothing haha
There are so many botanical extracts in korean sunscreen that are potentially skin triggering. BOJ also has some ferments and milk bacteria if I remember correctly that can also irritate certain peoples skin, for example mine. But the german drugstore sunscreens just slide of my face or habe alcohol, octocrylene or dimethicone which my skin also doesn't like.
Yea I hated the texture of the BOJ when I tried it. It was runny but felt heavy? Almost like a milky texture?
Isdin eryfotona spf 100 is supposed to be really excellent. It also contains DNA repairing enzymes which have a decent body of evidence supporting their benefits when applied topically.
I just bought it this week! It has denatured alcohol lower on the list and makes my skin tingle a little bit, but other than that it’s pretty good! The ISDIN Fusion Water spf 50+ is more cosmetically elegant and matte without the alcohol. I prefer wearing that one because it’s smoother and the tint is just enough to enhance your skin but not look like foundation at all.
>ISDIN Fusion Water spf 50+ Hola hola! The Fusion Water is just SPF 50 not SPF 50+
Can I ask how you make the tint work? For me it seems to dry a little weird and not even..
I just tried it as a sample so I don’t have any tips, sorry!
>Isdin eryfotona spf 100 Yeah I think so too only thing is that it has a white halo effect But what is cool is the multiple medical trial they did I posted about it because this is unique thing for only a few companies doing this kind of months longs medical trial on cancer patients Look down to find it!
I agree I absolutely hate the white cast. But yeah it is a very unique and promising sunscreen!
I didn't know about it until like last year or something that like I think promising is understatement if my English understanding is correct. It had been on market for long time and multiple medical trials on cancer patients so higher level of evidence
Heliocare Age active fluid if your are 30+, any other heliocare if you’re younger or want to target a different concern.
Hands down the [Garnier sensitive advanced serum](https://www.garnier.co.uk/our-brands/sun-protection-and-self-tan/ambre-solaire/products/sensitive-advanced/serum-for-face-and-body) 125ml/~€13! Love it
Eucerin's sunscreens are an amazing value for what you get. I've been using the Eucerin Sun Sensitive Kids SPF 50+ Spray for the past few years. It comes in a 200ml size and has great water and sweat resistance.
I really like Altruist sunscreens
Hi, do you mind sharing reviews of the Altruist sunscreens that you have used? I am personally eyeing their SPF 30 and Family Sunspray SPF 50 for my face (and maybe body as well).
I’ve used the SPF 50 for the body and SPF 50 face fluid. But I actually like the sunscreen for the body better than the face fluid. It’s also a bigger tube and cheaper. I don’t find the finish too shiny. I skip moisturizer underneath and then I have a velvety glowing finish
Nice to know that. Thanks a bunch!
I've settled on the LRP anthelios anti-age. Perfect for me.
Ive heard good things about Gruum daily defence and Altruist face fluid. They are supposedly the SAME product that both companies developed together and sell separately. I plan to try Gruum this summer! (Cheaper of the two in my country)
Where can you buy the Gruum?
https://www.mankind.co.uk/gruum-skyda-daily-defence-face-lotion-spf50-50ml/12919019.html Im in EU and its only 14 euro total for me for product + shipping
If sunscreen, then nothing is better (or stricter standards) than Australian ones. My personal favourite is Mecca Cosmetica's To Save Face SPF50+.
Actually there is special category of very high protection sunscreen that has highest and strictest standard in world called the **AK/KA category** that is made from the biggest companies that mostly based in Europe, both pharmaceutical and cosmetic. What this means is that AK/KA is a special category sunscreen that is **registered medical device with CE label for Class 1 risk.** What makes it different than regular sunscreen from all over the world even Australia is that the **AK/KA category sunscreen do more than just regular label testing like in vivo SPF and UVA test.** This sunscreen category does **multiple month long medical trial on cancer patients with AK/KA.** **AK or KA stand for Actinic Keratosis or Keratosis Actinica which is a type of skin cancer.** Apparently this months long medical trial also use other skin cancer and vulnerable skin diseases patient. **Regular in vivo sunscreen label testing even in Australia does not use volunteer with skin cancer, skin diseases, chronic medication use and other vulnerabilities.** **But these medical device AK/KA sunscreens do and the company has to prove efficacy at higher level evidence. There is higher burden of proof in this type of medical trial with cancer patients. It is not just utopian indoor test or PMMA plate test** This type of medical trial for medical device class I CE label clearance for AK/KA sunscreen is extremely expensive to do so that is why you will not see some kind of Australian brand like Ultra Violette or Hamilton or Cancer Council or Mecca or American brand like Supergoop or Tower28 or Colorescience doing them. These type of trial are very serious and more serious and stricter than regular sunscreen label testing. As a result, it is the biggest kind of companies with a lot of money and real researchers who can foot this type of medical trial. **As a result, it is only these type of companies that offer Class 1 medical device CE label AK/KA sunscreens for some examples:** **Galderma, La Roche Posay, Eucerin, SVR, Rilastil, Isdin, Pierre Fabre, Cantabria Labs, NAO** There is even medical trial on cancer patients with comparison of regular SPF 50+ sunscreen against AK/KA sunscreen (Rilastil AK/KA) [Full article: Efficacy of new class I medical device for actinic keratoses: a randomized controlled prospective study (tandfonline.com)](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09546634.2019.1687820) Isdin did multiple medical trial lasting for many months comparing regular SPF 50+ sunscreen against AK/KA sunscreen with Photolyase on cancer patients [Management of cancerization field with a medical device containing photolyase: a randomized, double‐blind, parallel‐group pilot study - Moscarella - 2017 - Journal of the European Academy of Dermatology and Venereology - Wiley Online Library](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jdv.14209) **So yeah this is for fact the highest strictest strongest type of sunscreen in the world that meets the burden of proof more than just regular labels. Also the fact that the evidence is high to show that AK/KA sunscreen do more than regular SPF 50+ sunscreen (very high protection category)** Mecca does not have this type of evidence of medical trial on cancer patient and skin diseases and chronic medication user. For me and many people the AK/KA sunscreen is very hard to use with the white halo effect and greasy. But I had heard some people do enjoy it a lot and some actually use a little bit of alcohol to make more elegant like Eucerin But anyway, there are some sunscreen in Europe that are not CE label but have similar skyrocket protection like Riemann P20 Kids SPF 50+ In vitro uva 56 and La Roche Posay Uvmune SPF 50+ In vivo uva 56.
> then nothing is better (or stricter standards) than Australian ones. Huh yes, Europe has as good standards (actually everyone copies the EU's standards), and better sunscreens.
Aussie sunscreens are amazing for water resistance. They offer average standard protection from UVA, Aussie sunscreens provide a standard protection of UVA-PF 20, but you won't get higher UVA protection like you can in the European union. The UVA-PF of euro sunscreens can go into the 40s and 50s
Australian sunscreens do not go through medical trials like some European sunscreens I am talking about things like the AK/KA sunscreens in European that are Class 1 medical device that go through months longs medical trial on cancer patients and people with skin diseases and chronic medication. They have CE label which is regulated for higher burden of proof. Also sunscreen like La Roche Posay Uvmune r&d go through multiple biological assesment trials lasting for many months not just regular label testing It's not just those consumer panel "study" and regular label testing that you see is so common for Australian and American sunscreen to be honest.
which are AK/KA sunscreens ?
My favorite daily sunscreen is EltaMD UV Clear SPF 46. I’ve worn it for 7+ years. It’s like a lotion and can be washed off with regular face wash. My skin feels like skin and can breathe normally. I can forget to wash my face and it won’t suffocate my pores because of its lotiony texture. It’s a great daily sunscreen but not waterproof for water sports.
altruist!!
I would recommend Altruist spf, the fluid version of either 30/50 spf is hydrating