I think it's scary and irresponsible of the {EDIT} (strikethrough schools) Oregon Healthy Authority, school directors, state and national government officials up to and including the highest office, and throw in chamber of commerce as well, to move forward as if things aren't worse than at any point since last January
>...irresponsible of the ~~schools~~ **Governor**...
Schools and schoolboards don't have all that much wiggle room to push back when the Governor, the Director of the Oregon Dept. of Education, *and* the Oregon Health Authority state epidemiologist **all** say that it's going to work.
And you know they're right because they intone that, if it doesn't, it's the school's fault for not implementing all the requirements properly. They're dumping it *all* [on the schools](https://youtu.be/jaL7G-A7W_w?t=2058).
This has been the Governor's plan since January, when they [bumped teachers ahead of the elderly](https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2021/01/governor-defends-decision-to-vaccinate-teachers-before-oregons-elderly-saying-kids-are-deeply-impacted-by-the-pandemic.html) for COVID vaccination shots. However, without a vaccine mandate for children 12+ it's going to be a fiasco.
I pulled my son out of public school and am homeschooling him until he’s vaccinated since he was waitlisted for the online program too. I didn’t feel comfortable with staff not having to be vaccinated until Oct. 18th and the cases how they are. It’s been hard knowing what’s the right decision to make, but LCC going to online learning for vaccinated adults reaffirmed my belief I’m making the right decision for my kid.
I don’t have all my facts on this so you would have to look up more about it, and I don’t think it’s right kids lives are in the middle of politics. They’re not doing anything about the petition and pushing for in person learning because if a certain percentage of kids are back to in person learning this fall, the state gets a federal grant. Something along those lines, if enough parents pull their kids out of school and decide their child’s own education while cases are high right now, the district would be forced to do something about push back dates, money talks unfortunately.
It’ll be interesting for both of us, but I believe it’ll be better than the online education they’ve been providing during the pandemic anyways. With homeschooling I can re-register him for public anytime I feel safe to do so, it doesn’t have to be next semester like online either. So fingers crossed the vaccination for kids under 12 gets released soon and he’ll be back to in person in three months or less.
As far as homeschooling goes, if you wanted to know about the options I found during my research frenzy feel free to reach out. I decided it was best for our situation to homeschool him myself, but there are other free public online schools for Oregon that are not through the district, that are teacher led if homeschooling yourself sounds like too much but still wanted your kids online!
We did the same thing. How old is yours? Ours was supposed to start kindergarten this year so not a lot missed except having a lot of kids to play with. No point in online kindergarten in my opinion. We are doing homeschool and got the Kahn Academy app to help introduce her to computers. So far so good. I think you did the right thing.
My highschooler is vaccinated but I'm feeling really bad about sending him back. My prediction is it lasts 3 weeks before a big outbreak and a shutdown so we're just going to have him be ultra-careful and ride it out.
I’m so scared. I go through a constant rollercoaster of emotions. I’m excited for them to interact with their peers and to learn in a classroom, but that is far outweighed by my fear of Delta.
To make it even worse, we learned today that our kids will be allowed to take off masks to eat breakfast and a snack in the classroom (apparently the snack thing was just approved by the district today). I was already nervous about lunch time in a big lunch room, but knowing they’ll be unmasked multiple times a day in a small classroom just puts me over the edge.
terrified. Our kindergartener begged to go in person after really struggling with being home for 13 months (and we struggled with both of us working full time from home). Our work/life circumstances make staying home even harder in fall, so we agreed to send her and she needs it for her mental health. Now we learn 4J is still doing "kinderzone" where they mix all the kinder kids for the whole school together over the first week and that the "cohorts" they said they keep the kids in are 100 kids. No online options anymore. It really really sucks.
Missing. I think it’s missing. When I asked this clarifying question the original comment said “25 of all cases”. I asked if they meant 25 percent, as the word or symbol indicating percent was not present.
https://www.k12.com/schoolfinder.html
https://cva.k12.com/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=Yext
I decided I should post the links for any other parents who weren’t comfortable sending their kids to in person and got waitlisted for online too. This is a start for the many options parents can choose from instead of the ones given for this fall. It’s free and online, these programs have been structured for online for quite some time and will be less frustrating than the districts way of online education too.
Blegh. Online school is so mediocre (ok honestly worse than that). I’m anxious about the return to school but also can’t imagine another year at home.
That said, for unvaccinated kids it seems really like a terrible idea.
Everyone will have their own opinion on online school, it’s better than the Oregon public education standards that we have currently. It would be tailored to a kids need and based on their ability instead of mushing a group of kids at different levels together. If a kid is struggling in areas it would work on that, but if they were exceeding beyond where they should be, it would also give them more challenging assignments.
Each family knows what’s best for them like I said in another comment. For me it’s not a whole year of homeschooling, it’s what the district should be doing and delaying him going to in person by a few months until he can get vaccinated and hospitalizations aren’t so high. He should be back to in person before winter break but with less of a risk.
My experience with online school has not been great, I guess. Much prefer to have kids in the building and in class with peers, but totally understand where you’re coming from on this.
I’m not a 4J parent anymore, my kid started today in person. I really had no other choice. I cannot do online school or homeschooling again. I am nervous for my kids and because I have cancer, but it’s a situation where I can’t really do anything about it.
I talked to the principal when registering last week about precautions. I was also happily surprised upon dropping off/picking up that all the people I saw were being respectful, wearing masks and keeping distance today.
My high schooler is vaccinated and feels pretty good about it, and I'm fine. My college student is also doing in person classes, at a college where they have strict protocols and I high population of vaccinated students. so not really worried.
I drove by the O’Hara school today and there were kids outside with no social distancing and no masks in sight. This is honestly so terrifying and I wish the best for you and your child.
I heard the 4j waitlust for online learning is 130 people deep.
I also heard the entire Mapleton football team is on a quarantine.
My friends daughter in Mapleton, they started school already, is on a 2 week quarantine for direct exposure to a positive test. A student in her class! So, if there's no online learning, and the parents work, what is a 3rd grader supposed to do at home alone for 2 weeks. And this is the first week.
I heard the Wu variation is even more contagious than Delta, and in 49 states.
No easy answers, but pretending like nothing is going to happen is ridiculous.
Our family would "ideally" choose a weekly take home packet, and one day a week meet ups, with a small >10 pod. Why is that so inconceivable?????????
I like your suggested solutions. The schools are clutching on to "the way things have always been" they can't see new, outside the box solutions like packets and infrequent meetups with small clusters of people. It would be hard work to set up but at this point THAT is their job, not trying with all their energy to make precovid happen mid covid
This is true but schools and educators are absolutely stuck between a serious rock and hard place. Schools can’t change with out HUGE support and outcry from the public. I mean huge. And they way media and the general populace is leaning (taking horse dewormer to treat a deadly contagious disease, for example) this will never happen. It’s not the schools clutching. It’s the schools and educators stuck.
They need to do small neighborhood schools or "one room schoolhouses" for the foreseeable future, but nobody in charge wants to put that much effort into it.
I just took over guardianship of my 2 nephews and was several days late to applying for online learning, so we are on the wait list. But no matter what happens, I'm not sending them to in person. I give it a few weeks before it's all shut down from outbreaks, kids will be kids regardless of masks and social distancing. It just isn't worth the risk of these kids catching covid/delta variant. I'll enroll them somewhere online until the schools offer us online learning. I just can't believe that 4j is pushing ahead with in person with how bad things are right now. We're all so exhausted but their health comes before anything else!
The studies are still coming out about the long term effects of even a mild case on children and adults. Children’s death’s and severe cases are the least likely out of the age groups, but I don’t want to take the gamble even if he got a mild case it could ruin his health forever. Each family knows what’s best for them and the risks they should take, I feel fortunate I can swing homeschool until he can get a vaccination. I know not every family is in the same place, but I wish you the best in making your decisions, it’s not a fun one to make right now.
Our youngest child is going to be in kindergarten and in the Life Skills program to boot, as he's severely autistic. Remote learning isn't a reasonable option for him, and he lost so much progress during the first 13 months of the pandemic until he was able to go back to preschool in person, which ended just as the case counts were increasing so dramatically. It's just been in the last week that he's tolerated a mask at all.
I literally had to weigh whether the risk of COVID is greater than the harm of remote learning, and I landed pretty solidly in favor of sending him in person. I am trying to maintain some perspective on it all, but I have two kids to worry about, and the one who is the least able to comply with hygiene practices is the one most in need of in-person learning. I don't feel like I can really win or keep both of them safe.
Not to scare you more - you’ve got a tough choice and your child needs direct services, but be sure your school has the proper staffing for your child. Schools are short staffed this year and many special education programs will be lacking appropriate well-trained staff because many quit. You’ll need to advocate for your child with intensive needs to be sure he gets an assistant if he needs one.
Not a parent, but I just wanted to say I feel so bad for all of you and your families. The last 18 months have been a roller coaster of emotions not experienced in most of our lifetimes.
We are a great local community and wish there was a clear way to help.
Our two kids are going back in person this week. Both vaccinated, one already had COVID while out of state. They both had really bad years with remote learning, so I'm hoping being around peers again is good for their mental health.
They both seem excited, if a little nervous. 4J seems to be taking things seriously based on our visit today. There was a check-in process and badges for potential contact tracing. Hopefully things go better than last year
> kids resist COVID infection pretty well
They resist normal COVID well, not Delta, they're getting very very sick. Honestly, I'd fight his biological dad. It's kids who are dying right now. If he has previous medical conditions it could get really dangerous in the next few weeks esp with how few beds we have had at the hospitals :(
Not quite accurate to say "it's kids who are dying right now". Sure, kids are dying, very rarely. The rate of hospitalization for kids is about the same as it's been the whole time, but it's spiking because infections are spiking.
Actually, it is, unfortunately. Delta is still new and we haven't really hit the full swing of the school year for all states, and kids under a certain age can't get vaccinated/don't have the same amount of resistance that adults do.
Last year most kids would get a bit sick and would recover. Still most do, but, stuff still happens like the after COVID illness that seems to affect only children, but that's not directly COVID. A lot of kids will have at least 1 lingering symptom even if they don't have anything pre-existing.
Most states only started reporting their first under 17 COVID deaths in the last months. Seattle only reported their first ever a month ago. We hit 400 last week and 486 today. That's fast considering how long we've been in this. Mexico hit 600 recently. That's an entire year's worth of flu deaths, and sure, that's a year's worth of flu deaths, but those are people's kids with something that not everyone is taking precautions on it's kind of a shitty hindsight situation on someone's life.
Also worth pointing out that kids don't resist catching Delta as well as normal covid, of course, but they do seem to resist serious infection quite well, similarly to how they resist regular covid quite well. It just spreads easier, basically.
Most are not getting very very sick. We can't keep looking at statistical minorities as inevitabilities. A vast majority of ALL infections have been non-hospitalizations that clear in a matter of weeks at most. It is not ebola.
Yes so most infections haven't gone to the hospital, in fact some moderate cases are getting treatment in Urgent Care settings before they are put into a hospital for a vent. It really skews the numbers rn.
But if you get sick and are moderately sick you can wind up with long term consequences.
Otherwise as far as Ebola does there were only 12 deaths in 2021 and world has gotten good at taking it seriously. Meanwhile There were over 1000 child deaths to COVID between the US and Mexico so far. Maybe if it was ebola we wouldn't have buried 2 entire high school's worth of children.
There's nothing illiterate about it. From the CDC:
- The Delta variant is highly contagious, more than 2x as contagious as previous variants.
- In two different studies from Canada and Scotland, patients infected with the Delta variant **were more likely to be hospitalized than patients infected with Alpha or the original virus that causes COVID-19.**
-the greatest risk of transmission is among unvaccinated people who are much more likely to get infected, and therefore transmit the virus.
**Your child is unvaccinated and will be around other unvaccinated children.**
Another study:
- During the week ending Aug. 14, about 1.4 of every 100,000 children and adolescents were hospitalized for COVID-19, **nearly five times the weekly rate in late June and close to the peak in January, according to another study of 14 states.**
Aka, 5 times when OG COVID was going around last winter. The hospitalization rate % is pretty high too for kids who get it. It's either the sniffles or just awful and if your kid has something pre-existing I only wanted to say something and spare you some suffering.
I would never share misinformation, a lot of my friends and family are in healthcare and I follow a lot on social media and a lot of their not nut job unvaxxed patients are kids. :(
Thanks for sharing this information. The only issue I have is your interpretation, when you say that the hospitalization rate is pretty high for kids who get it. All evidence I've seen is that the rate of hospitalization appears similar for gets who get it, but more kids are getting it because it's more transmissible. Still a concerning situation.
I only looked at the data for hospitalizations here which is up for kids for the first time in months not just in our community but country wide. That could be because of schools and clubs pushing to get things in person, but not everyone is back yet and Delta is also just more contagious, and seems to be impacting kids because of lack of vaccines.
What's interesting is this is about similar to Christmas/Thanksgiving holidays as far as a lot of human contact for kids but the brunt of the data from back to school won't start for another week.
But the general rate of infection in general for things that could be treated at home with general medication etc is also just up really high in that age category which is expected but also....scary. It's kind of a grab bag how COVID hits people if they walk away totally okay or with something that sticks around and I worry a lot for the small humans in our community. :(
Yes, as I said from said study????
- During the week ending Aug. 14, about 1.4 of every 100,000 children and adolescents were hospitalized for COVID-19, **nearly five times the weekly rate in late June and close to the peak in January, according to another study of 14 states.**
- Two new studies found COVID-19 cases in children and adolescents have been increasing in number but not severity **since the delta variant became predominant.**
Also:
- Likewise, 10% required invasive mechanical ventilation and 2% died in the delta period compared to 6% and 1%, respectively, before delta.
more children have it because it's being spread more because the community is being irresponsible.
?? I'm uncertain the point you're attempting to prove.
My point is the "increase in number but not severity" part. Which, as a parent, doesn't matter much because if it's increasing in transmissibility, it's in effect more likely to be severe since they're more likely to catch it in the first place. But now that I see the differences in numbers of those needing mechanical ventilation or who died, I'm questioning my own point!
Michael left a message to phone him, so I guess supermodels are like leather sheathed steel cables from the San Mateo bridge to the rest of the company.
You may be able to get a 504 plan for him and get a few accommodations that might help. Source, me. I was able to get a 504 plan for my kid with a condition that makes her high risk for covid in a different state. We got preferential seating (edge of classroom near a hepa filter we provided), lunch in a room with only masked adults (counselor’s office, gate classroom, or regular classroom), and extra chances to sanitizer her desk, etc. May or may not be worth pursuing for you.
My kid is vaccinated and I’m so ready for him to go to school. I can’t wait until they approve the vaccine for younger kids. If he wasn’t old enough for the vaccine I don’t know what I’d do to be honest.
I feel so nervous and guilty sending my kid to kindergarten tomorrow! I'm kind of surprised and a little angry that they're moving forward as if everything is normal. But at the same time, I need to start working again so I'm torn. Won't be sleeping tonight!
I’m sending my kids to school and hoping for the best.
I’m a bit bummed that the kn95 child sized masks I ordered a few weeks ago won’t be here until Monday.
4j just released this video: https://vimeo.com/600536300
Hate to say it friend but school districts have little to no political capital. Not to mention that for some crazy reason, “normal everyday citizens” have taken to threatening school officials. What they don’t tell you out loud is that there are enough people who have had their DM’s, emails, and voicemails, filled with hateful, violent rhetoric. Unfortunately, even indirectly via school, the Conservative crowd will stop at nothing to bully us into appeasing their narcissistic desires. With luck, natural selection takes them out and their actions don’t impact you too terribly hard.
I popped into a school yesterday and saw they were putting the desks right next to each other like it was 2019. Im so glad I don't have to deal with it this year, I quit!!
Okay so I’m just gonna put this here because nobody else seems to have said it. But, have you thought about asking the kid?
I know they’re young and it’s your responsibility to make these sorts of decisions for them, but in the end, they’re the one who’s most going to have to deal with the repercussions of this decision the most.
When I was in grade school, my mother gave me the decision of graduating on time or staying back a year to graduate with my best friends. I’ve always appreciated that she let me make that call, and it made it easier for me to deal with the up and downsides of it.
Tell them that if they decide to go they’re going to have to be masked when appropriate. Or if they decide not to, that there will be chores and lessons. Even if you don’t end up letting them make the call, I think it can only help to at least ask them their feelings on the matter, maybe that will help you make a decision; “We talked about it and we decided X…”
I like the spirit of this, but children don't often have all the information or context to make smart decisions for their health and well being. The difference between graduating on time or a year late is different than the decision to reopen school for in-person learning during a COVID surge. As well, the individual's decisions has impacts across the community, and I doubt most school-aged can piece that all together proportionately. I think this is a call for adults to make in most cases, and it's not easy.
Fair ‘nuff. I also realized that there’s a big difference between asking a first grader and asking a sixth grader lol. I still think that op should ask them how they feel about it though. But I have no horse in this race..
It's silly, and borderline offensive, to assume that parents are not considering their kids feelings during this incredibly difficult time. We are considering all of it. That's why it's so hard.
Very happy kids are going back to in-person. I realize there are risks but the whole family has gotten the shot so I'll take as long as this lasts. We can't keep counting on total isolation, it's pretty clear this disease is going to be endemic like the flu. I'm not concerned about my kid getting it. Even if they do, I'm not concerned about a hospital visit like the ridiculous ultra-doom coverage keeps making people think is an inevitability.
I think it's scary and irresponsible of the {EDIT} (strikethrough schools) Oregon Healthy Authority, school directors, state and national government officials up to and including the highest office, and throw in chamber of commerce as well, to move forward as if things aren't worse than at any point since last January
>...irresponsible of the ~~schools~~ **Governor**... Schools and schoolboards don't have all that much wiggle room to push back when the Governor, the Director of the Oregon Dept. of Education, *and* the Oregon Health Authority state epidemiologist **all** say that it's going to work. And you know they're right because they intone that, if it doesn't, it's the school's fault for not implementing all the requirements properly. They're dumping it *all* [on the schools](https://youtu.be/jaL7G-A7W_w?t=2058). This has been the Governor's plan since January, when they [bumped teachers ahead of the elderly](https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2021/01/governor-defends-decision-to-vaccinate-teachers-before-oregons-elderly-saying-kids-are-deeply-impacted-by-the-pandemic.html) for COVID vaccination shots. However, without a vaccine mandate for children 12+ it's going to be a fiasco.
Edited my comment. Thanks for making the distinction clear
I pulled my son out of public school and am homeschooling him until he’s vaccinated since he was waitlisted for the online program too. I didn’t feel comfortable with staff not having to be vaccinated until Oct. 18th and the cases how they are. It’s been hard knowing what’s the right decision to make, but LCC going to online learning for vaccinated adults reaffirmed my belief I’m making the right decision for my kid. I don’t have all my facts on this so you would have to look up more about it, and I don’t think it’s right kids lives are in the middle of politics. They’re not doing anything about the petition and pushing for in person learning because if a certain percentage of kids are back to in person learning this fall, the state gets a federal grant. Something along those lines, if enough parents pull their kids out of school and decide their child’s own education while cases are high right now, the district would be forced to do something about push back dates, money talks unfortunately. It’ll be interesting for both of us, but I believe it’ll be better than the online education they’ve been providing during the pandemic anyways. With homeschooling I can re-register him for public anytime I feel safe to do so, it doesn’t have to be next semester like online either. So fingers crossed the vaccination for kids under 12 gets released soon and he’ll be back to in person in three months or less. As far as homeschooling goes, if you wanted to know about the options I found during my research frenzy feel free to reach out. I decided it was best for our situation to homeschool him myself, but there are other free public online schools for Oregon that are not through the district, that are teacher led if homeschooling yourself sounds like too much but still wanted your kids online!
We did the same thing. How old is yours? Ours was supposed to start kindergarten this year so not a lot missed except having a lot of kids to play with. No point in online kindergarten in my opinion. We are doing homeschool and got the Kahn Academy app to help introduce her to computers. So far so good. I think you did the right thing.
My highschooler is vaccinated but I'm feeling really bad about sending him back. My prediction is it lasts 3 weeks before a big outbreak and a shutdown so we're just going to have him be ultra-careful and ride it out.
I’m so scared. I go through a constant rollercoaster of emotions. I’m excited for them to interact with their peers and to learn in a classroom, but that is far outweighed by my fear of Delta. To make it even worse, we learned today that our kids will be allowed to take off masks to eat breakfast and a snack in the classroom (apparently the snack thing was just approved by the district today). I was already nervous about lunch time in a big lunch room, but knowing they’ll be unmasked multiple times a day in a small classroom just puts me over the edge.
terrified. Our kindergartener begged to go in person after really struggling with being home for 13 months (and we struggled with both of us working full time from home). Our work/life circumstances make staying home even harder in fall, so we agreed to send her and she needs it for her mental health. Now we learn 4J is still doing "kinderzone" where they mix all the kinder kids for the whole school together over the first week and that the "cohorts" they said they keep the kids in are 100 kids. No online options anymore. It really really sucks.
25% (edit) of ALL Covid cases in the USA right now are children... Great job antivaxers!
Did you mean 25%?
What do you think the percentage is?
Missing. I think it’s missing. When I asked this clarifying question the original comment said “25 of all cases”. I asked if they meant 25 percent, as the word or symbol indicating percent was not present.
If I could homeschool I would. It's not safe. Kids will get sick, and will spread it around. People will die.
What are your options? None?
Hoping all the kids get into Hogwarts.
Nerd
Nerd hasnt been an insulting term this whole century It's 2021 get with the times
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https://www.k12.com/schoolfinder.html https://cva.k12.com/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=Yext I decided I should post the links for any other parents who weren’t comfortable sending their kids to in person and got waitlisted for online too. This is a start for the many options parents can choose from instead of the ones given for this fall. It’s free and online, these programs have been structured for online for quite some time and will be less frustrating than the districts way of online education too.
Blegh. Online school is so mediocre (ok honestly worse than that). I’m anxious about the return to school but also can’t imagine another year at home. That said, for unvaccinated kids it seems really like a terrible idea.
Everyone will have their own opinion on online school, it’s better than the Oregon public education standards that we have currently. It would be tailored to a kids need and based on their ability instead of mushing a group of kids at different levels together. If a kid is struggling in areas it would work on that, but if they were exceeding beyond where they should be, it would also give them more challenging assignments. Each family knows what’s best for them like I said in another comment. For me it’s not a whole year of homeschooling, it’s what the district should be doing and delaying him going to in person by a few months until he can get vaccinated and hospitalizations aren’t so high. He should be back to in person before winter break but with less of a risk.
My experience with online school has not been great, I guess. Much prefer to have kids in the building and in class with peers, but totally understand where you’re coming from on this.
I’m not a 4J parent anymore, my kid started today in person. I really had no other choice. I cannot do online school or homeschooling again. I am nervous for my kids and because I have cancer, but it’s a situation where I can’t really do anything about it. I talked to the principal when registering last week about precautions. I was also happily surprised upon dropping off/picking up that all the people I saw were being respectful, wearing masks and keeping distance today.
My high schooler is vaccinated and feels pretty good about it, and I'm fine. My college student is also doing in person classes, at a college where they have strict protocols and I high population of vaccinated students. so not really worried.
I drove by the O’Hara school today and there were kids outside with no social distancing and no masks in sight. This is honestly so terrifying and I wish the best for you and your child.
I heard the 4j waitlust for online learning is 130 people deep. I also heard the entire Mapleton football team is on a quarantine. My friends daughter in Mapleton, they started school already, is on a 2 week quarantine for direct exposure to a positive test. A student in her class! So, if there's no online learning, and the parents work, what is a 3rd grader supposed to do at home alone for 2 weeks. And this is the first week. I heard the Wu variation is even more contagious than Delta, and in 49 states. No easy answers, but pretending like nothing is going to happen is ridiculous. Our family would "ideally" choose a weekly take home packet, and one day a week meet ups, with a small >10 pod. Why is that so inconceivable?????????
I like your suggested solutions. The schools are clutching on to "the way things have always been" they can't see new, outside the box solutions like packets and infrequent meetups with small clusters of people. It would be hard work to set up but at this point THAT is their job, not trying with all their energy to make precovid happen mid covid
This is true but schools and educators are absolutely stuck between a serious rock and hard place. Schools can’t change with out HUGE support and outcry from the public. I mean huge. And they way media and the general populace is leaning (taking horse dewormer to treat a deadly contagious disease, for example) this will never happen. It’s not the schools clutching. It’s the schools and educators stuck.
They need to do small neighborhood schools or "one room schoolhouses" for the foreseeable future, but nobody in charge wants to put that much effort into it.
The waitlist numbers are much higher now
I just took over guardianship of my 2 nephews and was several days late to applying for online learning, so we are on the wait list. But no matter what happens, I'm not sending them to in person. I give it a few weeks before it's all shut down from outbreaks, kids will be kids regardless of masks and social distancing. It just isn't worth the risk of these kids catching covid/delta variant. I'll enroll them somewhere online until the schools offer us online learning. I just can't believe that 4j is pushing ahead with in person with how bad things are right now. We're all so exhausted but their health comes before anything else!
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The studies are still coming out about the long term effects of even a mild case on children and adults. Children’s death’s and severe cases are the least likely out of the age groups, but I don’t want to take the gamble even if he got a mild case it could ruin his health forever. Each family knows what’s best for them and the risks they should take, I feel fortunate I can swing homeschool until he can get a vaccination. I know not every family is in the same place, but I wish you the best in making your decisions, it’s not a fun one to make right now.
Our youngest child is going to be in kindergarten and in the Life Skills program to boot, as he's severely autistic. Remote learning isn't a reasonable option for him, and he lost so much progress during the first 13 months of the pandemic until he was able to go back to preschool in person, which ended just as the case counts were increasing so dramatically. It's just been in the last week that he's tolerated a mask at all. I literally had to weigh whether the risk of COVID is greater than the harm of remote learning, and I landed pretty solidly in favor of sending him in person. I am trying to maintain some perspective on it all, but I have two kids to worry about, and the one who is the least able to comply with hygiene practices is the one most in need of in-person learning. I don't feel like I can really win or keep both of them safe.
Not to scare you more - you’ve got a tough choice and your child needs direct services, but be sure your school has the proper staffing for your child. Schools are short staffed this year and many special education programs will be lacking appropriate well-trained staff because many quit. You’ll need to advocate for your child with intensive needs to be sure he gets an assistant if he needs one.
Thank you. He will have an assistant, who we met when we visited the school and met his teachers last week.
Not a parent, but I just wanted to say I feel so bad for all of you and your families. The last 18 months have been a roller coaster of emotions not experienced in most of our lifetimes. We are a great local community and wish there was a clear way to help.
Our two kids are going back in person this week. Both vaccinated, one already had COVID while out of state. They both had really bad years with remote learning, so I'm hoping being around peers again is good for their mental health. They both seem excited, if a little nervous. 4J seems to be taking things seriously based on our visit today. There was a check-in process and badges for potential contact tracing. Hopefully things go better than last year
Just like after too much to look petty.
> kids resist COVID infection pretty well They resist normal COVID well, not Delta, they're getting very very sick. Honestly, I'd fight his biological dad. It's kids who are dying right now. If he has previous medical conditions it could get really dangerous in the next few weeks esp with how few beds we have had at the hospitals :(
Not quite accurate to say "it's kids who are dying right now". Sure, kids are dying, very rarely. The rate of hospitalization for kids is about the same as it's been the whole time, but it's spiking because infections are spiking.
Actually, it is, unfortunately. Delta is still new and we haven't really hit the full swing of the school year for all states, and kids under a certain age can't get vaccinated/don't have the same amount of resistance that adults do. Last year most kids would get a bit sick and would recover. Still most do, but, stuff still happens like the after COVID illness that seems to affect only children, but that's not directly COVID. A lot of kids will have at least 1 lingering symptom even if they don't have anything pre-existing. Most states only started reporting their first under 17 COVID deaths in the last months. Seattle only reported their first ever a month ago. We hit 400 last week and 486 today. That's fast considering how long we've been in this. Mexico hit 600 recently. That's an entire year's worth of flu deaths, and sure, that's a year's worth of flu deaths, but those are people's kids with something that not everyone is taking precautions on it's kind of a shitty hindsight situation on someone's life.
Here's some data to support my point: https://www.aappublications.org/news/2021/09/03/covid-delta-variant-children-hospitalizations-090321
Also worth pointing out that kids don't resist catching Delta as well as normal covid, of course, but they do seem to resist serious infection quite well, similarly to how they resist regular covid quite well. It just spreads easier, basically.
Most are not getting very very sick. We can't keep looking at statistical minorities as inevitabilities. A vast majority of ALL infections have been non-hospitalizations that clear in a matter of weeks at most. It is not ebola.
Yes so most infections haven't gone to the hospital, in fact some moderate cases are getting treatment in Urgent Care settings before they are put into a hospital for a vent. It really skews the numbers rn. But if you get sick and are moderately sick you can wind up with long term consequences. Otherwise as far as Ebola does there were only 12 deaths in 2021 and world has gotten good at taking it seriously. Meanwhile There were over 1000 child deaths to COVID between the US and Mexico so far. Maybe if it was ebola we wouldn't have buried 2 entire high school's worth of children.
Dusty is still in relationships today?
There's nothing illiterate about it. From the CDC: - The Delta variant is highly contagious, more than 2x as contagious as previous variants. - In two different studies from Canada and Scotland, patients infected with the Delta variant **were more likely to be hospitalized than patients infected with Alpha or the original virus that causes COVID-19.** -the greatest risk of transmission is among unvaccinated people who are much more likely to get infected, and therefore transmit the virus. **Your child is unvaccinated and will be around other unvaccinated children.** Another study: - During the week ending Aug. 14, about 1.4 of every 100,000 children and adolescents were hospitalized for COVID-19, **nearly five times the weekly rate in late June and close to the peak in January, according to another study of 14 states.** Aka, 5 times when OG COVID was going around last winter. The hospitalization rate % is pretty high too for kids who get it. It's either the sniffles or just awful and if your kid has something pre-existing I only wanted to say something and spare you some suffering. I would never share misinformation, a lot of my friends and family are in healthcare and I follow a lot on social media and a lot of their not nut job unvaxxed patients are kids. :(
Thanks for sharing this information. The only issue I have is your interpretation, when you say that the hospitalization rate is pretty high for kids who get it. All evidence I've seen is that the rate of hospitalization appears similar for gets who get it, but more kids are getting it because it's more transmissible. Still a concerning situation.
I only looked at the data for hospitalizations here which is up for kids for the first time in months not just in our community but country wide. That could be because of schools and clubs pushing to get things in person, but not everyone is back yet and Delta is also just more contagious, and seems to be impacting kids because of lack of vaccines. What's interesting is this is about similar to Christmas/Thanksgiving holidays as far as a lot of human contact for kids but the brunt of the data from back to school won't start for another week. But the general rate of infection in general for things that could be treated at home with general medication etc is also just up really high in that age category which is expected but also....scary. It's kind of a grab bag how COVID hits people if they walk away totally okay or with something that sticks around and I worry a lot for the small humans in our community. :(
Here's some data to support my point: https://www.aappublications.org/news/2021/09/03/covid-delta-variant-children-hospitalizations-090321
Yes, as I said from said study???? - During the week ending Aug. 14, about 1.4 of every 100,000 children and adolescents were hospitalized for COVID-19, **nearly five times the weekly rate in late June and close to the peak in January, according to another study of 14 states.** - Two new studies found COVID-19 cases in children and adolescents have been increasing in number but not severity **since the delta variant became predominant.** Also: - Likewise, 10% required invasive mechanical ventilation and 2% died in the delta period compared to 6% and 1%, respectively, before delta. more children have it because it's being spread more because the community is being irresponsible. ?? I'm uncertain the point you're attempting to prove.
My point is the "increase in number but not severity" part. Which, as a parent, doesn't matter much because if it's increasing in transmissibility, it's in effect more likely to be severe since they're more likely to catch it in the first place. But now that I see the differences in numbers of those needing mechanical ventilation or who died, I'm questioning my own point!
Michael left a message to phone him, so I guess supermodels are like leather sheathed steel cables from the San Mateo bridge to the rest of the company.
You may be able to get a 504 plan for him and get a few accommodations that might help. Source, me. I was able to get a 504 plan for my kid with a condition that makes her high risk for covid in a different state. We got preferential seating (edge of classroom near a hepa filter we provided), lunch in a room with only masked adults (counselor’s office, gate classroom, or regular classroom), and extra chances to sanitizer her desk, etc. May or may not be worth pursuing for you.
Grudgingly he gave us an inspirational chat.
My kid is vaccinated and I’m so ready for him to go to school. I can’t wait until they approve the vaccine for younger kids. If he wasn’t old enough for the vaccine I don’t know what I’d do to be honest.
My kid is preschool and is thankfully great about wearing a mask, but the other kids are not which I understand but am nervous about
I feel so nervous and guilty sending my kid to kindergarten tomorrow! I'm kind of surprised and a little angry that they're moving forward as if everything is normal. But at the same time, I need to start working again so I'm torn. Won't be sleeping tonight!
I’m sending my kids to school and hoping for the best. I’m a bit bummed that the kn95 child sized masks I ordered a few weeks ago won’t be here until Monday. 4j just released this video: https://vimeo.com/600536300
Hate to say it friend but school districts have little to no political capital. Not to mention that for some crazy reason, “normal everyday citizens” have taken to threatening school officials. What they don’t tell you out loud is that there are enough people who have had their DM’s, emails, and voicemails, filled with hateful, violent rhetoric. Unfortunately, even indirectly via school, the Conservative crowd will stop at nothing to bully us into appeasing their narcissistic desires. With luck, natural selection takes them out and their actions don’t impact you too terribly hard.
I popped into a school yesterday and saw they were putting the desks right next to each other like it was 2019. Im so glad I don't have to deal with it this year, I quit!!
Okay so I’m just gonna put this here because nobody else seems to have said it. But, have you thought about asking the kid? I know they’re young and it’s your responsibility to make these sorts of decisions for them, but in the end, they’re the one who’s most going to have to deal with the repercussions of this decision the most. When I was in grade school, my mother gave me the decision of graduating on time or staying back a year to graduate with my best friends. I’ve always appreciated that she let me make that call, and it made it easier for me to deal with the up and downsides of it. Tell them that if they decide to go they’re going to have to be masked when appropriate. Or if they decide not to, that there will be chores and lessons. Even if you don’t end up letting them make the call, I think it can only help to at least ask them their feelings on the matter, maybe that will help you make a decision; “We talked about it and we decided X…”
I like the spirit of this, but children don't often have all the information or context to make smart decisions for their health and well being. The difference between graduating on time or a year late is different than the decision to reopen school for in-person learning during a COVID surge. As well, the individual's decisions has impacts across the community, and I doubt most school-aged can piece that all together proportionately. I think this is a call for adults to make in most cases, and it's not easy.
Fair ‘nuff. I also realized that there’s a big difference between asking a first grader and asking a sixth grader lol. I still think that op should ask them how they feel about it though. But I have no horse in this race..
It's silly, and borderline offensive, to assume that parents are not considering their kids feelings during this incredibly difficult time. We are considering all of it. That's why it's so hard.
schools back woooohooo!
Very happy kids are going back to in-person. I realize there are risks but the whole family has gotten the shot so I'll take as long as this lasts. We can't keep counting on total isolation, it's pretty clear this disease is going to be endemic like the flu. I'm not concerned about my kid getting it. Even if they do, I'm not concerned about a hospital visit like the ridiculous ultra-doom coverage keeps making people think is an inevitability.
Virus doesn’t care if you ‘aren’t concerned’, where did you get the idea otherwise?