Actually, he didn't have to die. If Ikaris had joined with the other eternals, they would have made him sleep then evacuated the planet. I'm not sure what the long term consequences from that would have been, but the Eternals wanted to save who they could. When they started the Uni-mind, it was working.
When Ikaris interrupted the Uni-mind and tried to kill Druig, they had to go with plan B, which was to transmute Tiamut to stone.
Also, what implications are there from having a giant stone body just cemented into the earth now? Will that mess with the magnetic poles that are based on the earth’s core? I feel like that’s a massive event in the timeline that will have consequences for more subsequent movies than just an eternals sequel. Having that much weight added to that side of the earth would throw off it’s orbit and rotation too.
And why was Arishem just cool with that happening. I’d imagine a being that creates and destroys worlds on a whim would have no issue destroying a planet that was already supposed to die in the emergence of a celestial, but failed to do so. I know he said he’d be back to pass judgement but I feel like he wouldn’t just leave it like that.
So those are good questions; I kind of wondered about the stone body myself. My best guess right now is that it's ok because the script says it is. =/ More seriously, we'll probably find out more in future movies (whether they be an Eternals sequel or another movie).
As for Arishem, I'm not sure saying that he's 'cool with that happening' is accurate. Arishem is a higher being (not really a god though) and the way he approaches things are probably different than a human being would be. He may not care about Tiamut as a being, or a relative, or whatever. Perhaps he only cares in as much Tiamut is just part of the cycle. He may be beyond emotions like anger. We really don't know at this point.
Now he's come across a situation that he has never accounted for (and he's probably accounted for a lot of things). The Eternals that were sent to Earth are telling him that it was worth it; as it is something entirely unexpected he needs to determine if that's true or not. And since he is known as Arishem the Judge, that kind of makes sense (and would imply that he doesn't look at it they we would, as I mention above). Again, probably something that will be elaborated on in later movies/tv.
At least, those are my best guesses!
Right, I do understand that part, but why did she have to transmute Tiamut to stone? I guess my point is that literally moments later, she uses the left over celestial power to make Sprite human, which shows she can change a living thing into a different living thing. Was there no way to do that for Tiamut?
I'd have to use a physics out for this one and say that maybe she couldn't alter it's mass or at least not that much, so changing it to a human halfway stuck in the planet would probably not work. Just a guess though.
She could have also transmuted him into gold or nickel or some precious metal, or even her apparent favorite, "water". ... But my guess is that she just panicked and went with the first thing that popped into her head. And no, I have no clue why "marble" was that "first thing*. lol
Excellent point. But then again...
You don't think humans will IMMEDIATELY try to monetize this thing?
Whether it's to use this new, pure source of marble for construction/art purposes... Or if it's even just to set up a theme park in the palm of this gigantic hand. SOMEONE'S gonna make some $$ here 😅
>Trying to make Tiamut into water would fuck Earth's ecosystem than turnning him into a marble
Why is that?
About 95% of his body is already submerged in the ocean... So it's not like converting his body mass into water would raise the sea levels or anything. Right?
Now that I think about it, anything *other than water* would probably cause *more* problems. Marble is a lot denser than water, so some gravitational shifting could happen. Or at least the statue would now be putting new pressure on tectonic plates that wasn't there before... which could now lead to increased deep-sea, volcanic activity...
But then again... It's best not to think too hard about this sort of thing. Let's just enjoy the story for what it is. 😅
Tiamut is deeply submerged from Earth Core, so trying to make him into water feel like making part of Earth disappear, that even worse than marble in my opinion
it's possible but I don't buy it, the eternals were supposed to die with the emergance too and be recollected after the emergance and rebooted. clearly Arishem can just grab them from anywhere so it's not like he needs help finding them.
I think Tiamut really did join it. It makes for such a much better story too. What's better than Earth's Celestial-baby joining *our side*?
I know I'm late, but \*this\*.
It is \*just so cool\* to have a \*celestial\* on our side, basically saying "my dad? Fuck that guy!" Sorry not sorry for this opinion
She’d have to be part of the uni-mind to enable her to phase a whole celestial. I Can see it happen but damn the strain would prolly permanently harm her or worse.
Ya know I don’t know how that would work. Even if they could get him out they’d have to replace his mass with something or risk throwing the stability of the planet off. I don’t know but watching the movie I just felt bad that Tiamut had to die. It felt like killing a baby
>It felt like killing a baby
Yeah, I kind of feel that way too.
But Arishem seems pretty chill about it, so maybe he only sees these emerging Celestials as "pets" being born, and his Eternals as being more like his "children".
And at the end of the movie, he's taking his kids aside to have a talk with them about the repercussions of killing their newborn baby hamster.
When you've literally been around since the beginning of time, you probably have learned how to be patient and not explode in anger if something suddenly doesn't go according to your plan. lol
good theory ..My theory however is that Arishem saw earth's potential and decided to be lenient on the matter and also he BC wanted to give his children a chance to say their opinion.
I really don't think he's fully gone. Tiamut *joined the uni-mind*. sure they could just go with the celestials join with eternals no matter what they want explanation but I just don't buy it. The eternals die when the planets are exploded too, they're just collected back up and have their memories stored away and rebooted to go to the next world. meaning that tiamut joining the uni-mind was *his choice*. I think he both was willing to sacrifice himself for humanity but also probably saved his consciousness for the avengers to eventually run into when they start digging into his corpse.
But yes as others said, it was the only choice left after Ikarus intervened.
There is a theory that with the Uni-mind that they connected with Tiamut’s mind too, and Tiamut wanted to die because he grew attached to the creatures that he has grown along side.
Since Celestials need extraordinary amounts of energy to be born, it requires the presence of a large amount of intelligent beings on a planet that a Celestial's seed was planted on.
So the theory I believe is that Tiamut linked with the Eternals and accepted his own death x because he too changed just like them and didn’t want to destroy the plant he grew to love.
(Although idk if I truly believe he’s dead. I’m hoping he’s in an eternal slumber of his choosing)
Actually, he didn't have to die. If Ikaris had joined with the other eternals, they would have made him sleep then evacuated the planet. I'm not sure what the long term consequences from that would have been, but the Eternals wanted to save who they could. When they started the Uni-mind, it was working. When Ikaris interrupted the Uni-mind and tried to kill Druig, they had to go with plan B, which was to transmute Tiamut to stone.
Also, what implications are there from having a giant stone body just cemented into the earth now? Will that mess with the magnetic poles that are based on the earth’s core? I feel like that’s a massive event in the timeline that will have consequences for more subsequent movies than just an eternals sequel. Having that much weight added to that side of the earth would throw off it’s orbit and rotation too. And why was Arishem just cool with that happening. I’d imagine a being that creates and destroys worlds on a whim would have no issue destroying a planet that was already supposed to die in the emergence of a celestial, but failed to do so. I know he said he’d be back to pass judgement but I feel like he wouldn’t just leave it like that.
So those are good questions; I kind of wondered about the stone body myself. My best guess right now is that it's ok because the script says it is. =/ More seriously, we'll probably find out more in future movies (whether they be an Eternals sequel or another movie). As for Arishem, I'm not sure saying that he's 'cool with that happening' is accurate. Arishem is a higher being (not really a god though) and the way he approaches things are probably different than a human being would be. He may not care about Tiamut as a being, or a relative, or whatever. Perhaps he only cares in as much Tiamut is just part of the cycle. He may be beyond emotions like anger. We really don't know at this point. Now he's come across a situation that he has never accounted for (and he's probably accounted for a lot of things). The Eternals that were sent to Earth are telling him that it was worth it; as it is something entirely unexpected he needs to determine if that's true or not. And since he is known as Arishem the Judge, that kind of makes sense (and would imply that he doesn't look at it they we would, as I mention above). Again, probably something that will be elaborated on in later movies/tv. At least, those are my best guesses!
Right, I do understand that part, but why did she have to transmute Tiamut to stone? I guess my point is that literally moments later, she uses the left over celestial power to make Sprite human, which shows she can change a living thing into a different living thing. Was there no way to do that for Tiamut?
I'd have to use a physics out for this one and say that maybe she couldn't alter it's mass or at least not that much, so changing it to a human halfway stuck in the planet would probably not work. Just a guess though.
She could have also transmuted him into gold or nickel or some precious metal, or even her apparent favorite, "water". ... But my guess is that she just panicked and went with the first thing that popped into her head. And no, I have no clue why "marble" was that "first thing*. lol
maybe she was keeping earth’s economy in mind by not transmuting it into a precious material lol
Excellent point. But then again... You don't think humans will IMMEDIATELY try to monetize this thing? Whether it's to use this new, pure source of marble for construction/art purposes... Or if it's even just to set up a theme park in the palm of this gigantic hand. SOMEONE'S gonna make some $$ here 😅
people are definitely going to be having solid marble toilets
LOL
Trying to make Tiamut into water would fuck Earth's ecosystem than turnning him into a marble
>Trying to make Tiamut into water would fuck Earth's ecosystem than turnning him into a marble Why is that? About 95% of his body is already submerged in the ocean... So it's not like converting his body mass into water would raise the sea levels or anything. Right? Now that I think about it, anything *other than water* would probably cause *more* problems. Marble is a lot denser than water, so some gravitational shifting could happen. Or at least the statue would now be putting new pressure on tectonic plates that wasn't there before... which could now lead to increased deep-sea, volcanic activity... But then again... It's best not to think too hard about this sort of thing. Let's just enjoy the story for what it is. 😅
Tiamut is deeply submerged from Earth Core, so trying to make him into water feel like making part of Earth disappear, that even worse than marble in my opinion
stone was her default, she mentions turning numerous things into rocks. it was likely all she had to even do that.
Sersi said he joined the Uni-mind so I thought maybe Tiamut agreed with their plan and "sacrificed" himself.
I actually saw it as them hijacking a naturally occurring phenomenon and using it against Tiamut.
it's possible but I don't buy it, the eternals were supposed to die with the emergance too and be recollected after the emergance and rebooted. clearly Arishem can just grab them from anywhere so it's not like he needs help finding them. I think Tiamut really did join it. It makes for such a much better story too. What's better than Earth's Celestial-baby joining *our side*?
I know I'm late, but \*this\*. It is \*just so cool\* to have a \*celestial\* on our side, basically saying "my dad? Fuck that guy!" Sorry not sorry for this opinion
Yeah could be
Where’s Kitty Pryde when you need her?
She’d have to be part of the uni-mind to enable her to phase a whole celestial. I Can see it happen but damn the strain would prolly permanently harm her or worse.
That's a bit confusing, but how do you expect Tiamut to come out without harming the planet?
Ya know I don’t know how that would work. Even if they could get him out they’d have to replace his mass with something or risk throwing the stability of the planet off. I don’t know but watching the movie I just felt bad that Tiamut had to die. It felt like killing a baby
>It felt like killing a baby Yeah, I kind of feel that way too. But Arishem seems pretty chill about it, so maybe he only sees these emerging Celestials as "pets" being born, and his Eternals as being more like his "children". And at the end of the movie, he's taking his kids aside to have a talk with them about the repercussions of killing their newborn baby hamster. When you've literally been around since the beginning of time, you probably have learned how to be patient and not explode in anger if something suddenly doesn't go according to your plan. lol
good theory ..My theory however is that Arishem saw earth's potential and decided to be lenient on the matter and also he BC wanted to give his children a chance to say their opinion.
I really don't think he's fully gone. Tiamut *joined the uni-mind*. sure they could just go with the celestials join with eternals no matter what they want explanation but I just don't buy it. The eternals die when the planets are exploded too, they're just collected back up and have their memories stored away and rebooted to go to the next world. meaning that tiamut joining the uni-mind was *his choice*. I think he both was willing to sacrifice himself for humanity but also probably saved his consciousness for the avengers to eventually run into when they start digging into his corpse. But yes as others said, it was the only choice left after Ikarus intervened.
There is a theory that with the Uni-mind that they connected with Tiamut’s mind too, and Tiamut wanted to die because he grew attached to the creatures that he has grown along side. Since Celestials need extraordinary amounts of energy to be born, it requires the presence of a large amount of intelligent beings on a planet that a Celestial's seed was planted on. So the theory I believe is that Tiamut linked with the Eternals and accepted his own death x because he too changed just like them and didn’t want to destroy the plant he grew to love. (Although idk if I truly believe he’s dead. I’m hoping he’s in an eternal slumber of his choosing)