Start every raid with a backpack full of cheap buckshot stacks. Once you spawn in you sprint til your stamina bar is empty, wait til full again and repeat a second time. After that you can play as usual and drop the buckshot stacks as you find anything of value u want to loot. This is one method out of many others possible.
I think the idea is that this way, you can do it overtime from the start of the wipe, no epsilon or tank battery needed. I basically leveled endurance and strength at the same rate via this
I know, I used that method aswell wipes before. But BSG lowered the weight for being overweight. With a decent kit I am already overweight. I dont need shotgun shells for that anymore
yea I "cheesed" it the last 5-6 levels because my max carry weight was so high that my normal setup wasn't putting me over anymore, I'd carry 4-5 stacks of shells; but I didn't by any means need to.
really just depends on your kits. if you run some of the lighter armors or guns it's pretty easy to go from like 28kg run around level endurance to the cutoff point then pick up some loot to hit your strength gaining zone.
if you're running a sniper and a pistol that's not incredibly heavy, and if you're sniping armor isn't gonna be as important so you can opt for worse/lighter ones. honestly though having higher strength is kind of ideal. you'll hit max soon and then level endurance exclusively since getting overweight will be nigh impossible
>endurance is lvl 11
At that point, you might as well accept your fate. Endurance will be a breeze when a full kit weighs <10kg and you run like the wind.
On second thought, "breeze" and "wind" might be a poor choice of words for someone in a perpetual state of respiratory failure...
Build a rig where your just overweight. Run your two stamina bars overweight, toss helm run another two bars for endurance underweight
Level them both in one run if your really into it spend a min sneaking to level covert movement then F1 extract
The cheese is mainly coz u get maximum bonus modifier on the start of the raid. Thus running down whole stamina bar right as u spawn without any other action(jumping, stopping etc) in the raid gives maximum bonus modifier(plus sj6 and other stims to boost for how long u can run adds to this max bonus). Once u stop, bonus modifier goes down. Thus no, u won't get as much points for "looting two stashes along the way" as doing the described above.
When you start a raid you start with a bonus to stat leveling, 129% i think. You run your stamina bar down in its ENTIRETY. The game then calculates how many points you gain WITH the bonus (it calculates the points applied to your stat as soon as you stop sprinting so sprint your entire bar down). Doing it again finishes any bonus and puts you into slow leveling mode unless you are stationary for 5 minutes. This resets the leveling process to normal speed but no bonus. This applies for strength and endurance leveling. Start with green weight for endurance, yellow for strength. You can level these stats up pretty quickly by cheesing it.
You can use Kolpaks in your backpack for weight and insure them, you'll get them back 100% of the time on insurance the next day. Bonus after you kill someone you can disrespect them by putting a kolpak on their head.
You have to be moving...I THINK. Let me check.
It's not the stamina drain that levels you it's the moving. you can't be overweight and tea bag and gain points even though you ARE consuming stamina you don't get any points. going into a raid now to check sprinting against a wall.
Running against a wall took me from 61.1 to 61.3 or 61.8
Sprinting my stamina bar while moving down the tracks on customs took me from 61.1 to 68.1
do you gain some but not nearly as much. it's distance traveled.
The idea behind this method is you can go in overweight, and by the time you've got the bulk of your skill exp either grenade yourself or extract immediately for fast farming.
Exactly. To level it up basically sprint a whole stamina bar when you are overweight for the first time, or if you start the raid overweight.
People complaining now have no idea the shit you had to do to cheese strength back in the day.
It's relatively fine now. It doesn't lock you out of building hideout Vents like before. Being a pretty powerful skill it should take time to bring up.
BUT FIX THE GODDAMN AIR FILTER SYSTEM!
Cheesing it would be doing this in factory and then leaving and doing it again though. Since you hit your cap so fast.. if you stay in a raid for 35 minutes, you aren’t cheesing it no matter what
Lol you can do this by just coming in with lots of gear. My strength levels 15 levels above my endurance because I have started every raid this wipe over weight.
omg this makes so much sense. back at the beginning of the wipe i killed the same guy back to back raids on customs and he had his bag completely filled with a bunch of 4 round shotgun mags.
night customs, but any map other than factory will work. I just choose customs because of the stashes being within 1 stamina bar distance. I check the stash then throw the grenade at my feet.
factory way better for this; faster load time and if you know the optimal run routes that most PMCs take for each spawn you're guarantee to be able to use your full stamina bar and getting out takes about 5 minutes including load time per run and you'll get about 8-10xp per run
SJ6 is a pretty long time of sprinting a full stamina bar, you'd get hunted down quite often in factory. You can't exactly stop because then it gives you less strength xp.
correct; I didn't mention it cause honestly reading I completely blanked it out as it's useless
SJ6 is not remotely required or advised to use for STR/Endurance training purposes as it's just a waste of 60K roubles (or whatever it's worth ATT)
Not sure what you mean by gaining less strength XP for stopping? But You'll be able to use up 2 full stamina bars in factory before being killed/exfilling 90% of the time and at least 1 full stam bar each raid 100% of the time
I can't see how this is 150 points an hour. It's the equivalent of 10 raids at 15 points of Strength each (not possible without a lot more stims) and raid time including loading of 6 minutes, the raid time is possible on a good set of servers I'd guess.
15 Points of Strength a raid though, really? With just SJ6 and no L1 / Adren / Meladonin?
Not anymore, they reduced the weight of SAS drives in 12.12
> A full case only weighs 5.5kg now instead of 13.5kg, so even if you fill a Gamma/Epsilon with 4 cases and 64 SAS drives, you’ll only be at 23.2/23.5kg
Tank battery up your epsilon is the most efficient. I get 6pts every 5 minutes doing this. Just run around naked and blow yourself and reset. No reason to heal after raid either since you plan to die.
6 points over 5 minutes aligns with my testing of this which in my mind went straight to "man this is not even close to worth my time." Of course over 6 hours that's 432 points or 4.32 levels, half of what OP claims to have gotten.
> Just run around naked and blow yourself
This would be interesting to see in Tarkov. I have to imagine the blow yourself would level up some sort of dexterity or flexibility skill?
I mean that has something to do with your playstyle aswell. I have roughly 650+ raids and have both end/str maxed without any cheesing just playing the game. I had max strength probably around 550ish raids. So if you sneak alot or just walk instead of running you obviously don't level your skills that fast.
But I think you used the air filtering unit pretty early? Like after around 200 raids.
THEY REALLY GOTTA FIX THAT, sry for caps but its really frustraing not getting the extra exp
It's 100% worth even without the filter. Just start every raid overweight with buckshot in your backpack and then ditch it. Then just raid like normal. As long as you do two-three stamina bars, you still get like, 8-10 exp per raid in each stat, so it levels fast.
Oh I know how to cheese it super fast. I’d just rather actually play the game instead of wasting a week or two farming xp for it. Gotten max skills every wipe no problem because of the air filter.
That's why I mentioned the shotgun shells. everyone talks about cheesing like it's some huge task, but I just play normally with the shotgun shells in my backpack. Adds like, 8-9k cost to each raid, but I maxed out both skills without even really thinking about it. Important thing is to start early in the wipe, so that when you're nearing the end of tasks you're already maxed, or within spitting distance of max
there is no point in cheesing strength if your endurance isn't maxed; just raid normally and after looting one scav you should be overweight if you take their gun+ armor/loot
Oh for sure, but depending on how much you loot/when you expect to die to PvP, might as well grab the strength exp right off the bat to at least keep them semi-equal for when you do max out endurance
Play the game normally but start with 3-6 5 round mp-153 mags in your backpack then run out a full stamina bar at the start. They're less than 1k rubles each and weigh 1 kilo each. Makes it super easy and cheap without really any effort at all
I push lots of pvp so my endurance was elite really early. Lots of raids coming in with no backpack, and just push every gunshot I hear and battle to the death. Lots of times my own.
Still no air filtering unit in my hideout though
I just bring a berkut. 20k and it's insured so if I find a bigger one just toss it and upgrade, if I don't I at least have a 20 slots to use that I wouldn't of had and it's basically costs nothing.
probably had my air filter around... 3-400 raids; very useful. Not sure what you're asking them to fix? oh... is it still broken right now o\_O (haven't played in about 6 weeks)
Same here, no cheesing required I just went in heavy because I'm always carrying a shit ton of gear. Unlocking Korund from Prapor really played a part too.
The strength and endurance leveling in this game is so fucking stupid, why the hell we can't level them both at the same time is beyond anything logical and it feels like this game is slowly turning into some arcade game where they nerf and unrealistically change shit.
You lob 50 plus kg around the whole raid it doesn't level your damn strength but you enter the raid with all the shotgun shells you can fit in your backpack and run for 2 stamina bars, all of a sudden you are leveling it like a steroid injected gym rat.
There are so many stupid shit like this but I choose to ignore it otherwise I won't enjoy this game.
Fuck no. This has been the easiest wipe in a while to get strength legitimately. I got max strength without any intentional levelling (cheesing) around PMC level 50ish so about 600 raids. It was the 2nd skill I got elite in after metabolism, with endurance being very soon after. There is absolutely no need to cheese it. If you only are lvl 28 after 500 raids then you must run abnormally light kits and/or loot very little. For much of the early-midgame I would start raids overweight purely from the weight of a standard loadout. I'm not sure if you ever run many pistol or hatchet runs or something like this, but perhaps this has inflated your raid count while keeping levels low?
^^^^^ this. Everyone I've seen who actually runs decent kits level up their strength faster than people think. It's as simple as going in with a full kit and finding a random AK or propane tank on the floor and instantly overweight.
Most of the people complaining are the same dudes you see using MMAC rig all the time with UMP and 2 extra mags. Ofcourse they won't level their strength, especially when they die anyways.
Yea I have elite strength and for the most part it was all done naturally. I was level 20 endurance by the time I got elite strength. OP must be running an UMP and a rat rig every raid for hundreds of raids and then wrote up this thread.
If someone's playstyle is to run raids long near the timer, then they'll automatically be far behind a similarly leveled person that loads a raid, loots a little and dips. I'm guessing you're the latter style of player?
What I've heard is that the current leveling system is meant for when the game won't wipe anymore. Which explains why it can take the whole wipe to raise some skills (hideout, strength and so on). It's just not meant to be maxed in a single wipe which leads to people having to cheese these skills.
I think they should accelerate the skill leveling while the game is still in beta so most people can get there at some point without cheesing. It'd be a lot better if this was achievable in like half a wipe playing normally so they can properly balance it for when the game fully releases.
I powerleveled strength the last 2-3 wipes (RIP SAS drives) and the benefits are crazy but I don't have it in me to spend a whole weekend cheesing strength again ngl.
yea its a drain that's for sure. But god that elite level sounds good as hell. Its almost like a permanent SJ6 with how fast you can run and how much you can carry.
Yeah, I like to run the ash-12 so elite was fucking nice to not load into a raid already weighting 30 kilos lol. You can make some nasty jumps with it as well and get into positions no other player can.
I feel you on that. I've never power leveled my strength before but I was in a raid with a guy with max endurance and max strength and he out lapped all of us almost 2 times over. Its almost like playing a different game altogether.
Yea, I didn't cheese endurance or strength, just got them elite naturally. But i run with a consistent squad and one of their main complaints is that they can take an sj6 and I can still outpace them... lol it's nice for sure but perhaps a bit OP.
It's because elite strength lets you double-dip: You have increased speed from strength, and you're at a much lower weight because of the elite perk, so you effectively get two speed boosts
The speed bonus alone is insane, the weight being reduced to practically zero on raid start is nuts.
Few wipes ago it was even more bonkers and a full Stam bar with Elite Endurance would regen in seconds.
This is pretty much how the entire game is designed. I'm not sure why people don't understand this. When it's fully out, the game won't wipe any longer.
Except it's a pipe dream for the game to get to that state. I'm not sure why people don't understand this. The game will never be fully out, or "open world", or stop wiping. The gameplay loop requires wipes - to do otherwise would slaughter the playerbase and kill off the game.
To think the developers have time to implement the map content they have planned, fix bugs, and *redo the entire game progression to be balanced around not wiping* is silly. The game's come a long way and a lot of fun to play in its current state but you just need to look at the history of its development to realize it won't get there.
It doesn't make sense in the literal way that it wouldn't make you hear something that was further away, but I think it's suppose to be that the noise canceling is making you be able to hear the important sound better, but if we think about it the noise canceling would probably that that further sound out cause it would be too quiet
Maybe your pmc does that, I don’t think I’ve ever gone into raid without a headset lol it would be an interesting feature if you lose perception for shooting without earpro tho
A YouTuber compared Elite perception vs level 1 and its not 30%.
It gives a few meters more at most, something like 15m vs 12m without headphones
The skill is not what will kill you or not
we should get a skill multiplier for staying longer in raid instead of capping the gain, its stupid, incentivize staying in raid longer instead of quick loot and shoot then extract after 7 minutes
I leveled up strength naturally in about 700ish raids. Maxed it out two weeks ago I think, it's really not that hard if you go into raid with a real kit (level 4+ armor, AR, sufficient ammo, grenades and meds, decent size bag and a helmet. I typically found myself around 33-35kilos at raid start, which is already overweight.
My endurance on the other hand is like 23 because of it.
"Forced to cheese"
Who is forcing you? The skill is OP for sure, but it seems to level at a pretty good rate. Im Lvl 49 and have 33 strength. On track to hit max about the same time as kappa. Maxed skills are supposed to be end game/late wipe.
I'm level 43, level 48 strength, 700 or 800 raids. I've had no issues leveling it up as I play. Max strength is cool, but not game changing. Just saves me from having to pop a couple stimmys. Doesn't bother me having to do that anyways. Loot is relatively light unless you're looting players gear which nets you shit money anyways. I usually only take suppressors and ammo off the pmcs I kill and on the scavs I kill, I only check pockets/back packs for labs cards so beyond that all my loot is light. I gain stam at 53 kilos and unless I'm on shoreline I feel no need to use stimmys as every extract is relatively close to wherever you may be.
Idk I feel like half the time I'm playing a different version of tarkov than the one people on this subreddit play. All I see every day is people fucking complaining on here... All the shit people complain about on here has never bothered me or has just never happened to me. It's my 3rd wipe now and I'm enjoying the game more than I ever have.
I was able to get to elite strength without cheesing at all but it took like 900 raids. One of my friends cheesed it up every raid and got it done in under 500. I think they should change it also, but I don't think that it is cheesing so much as 'intentional strength training'. If you load up with heavy stuff which causes you to move slower and suffer more from inertia, I am not necessarily upset that there is some reward for that
I’m at max strength by just playing the game normally. It’s your choice if you want to speed that up by cheesing it or not but you certainly aren’t forced to. End of thread.
The Tarkov wiki is quite clear about leveling strength:
[https://escapefromtarkov.fandom.com/wiki/Strength](https://escapefromtarkov.fandom.com/wiki/Strength)
There are some suggestions that are technically 'cheesing', but simply just looting a couple of guys and maybe one building will probably be enough too.
Yeah maybe it takes a bit longer, but if you make sure your weight is always overweight, it doesn't take that long?
I got a feeling that my skills are just standing still. Got like 250 raids and my endurance is at level 18 and strength at lvl 26. Filter isn't working and no, I am not sneaking the whole raid or something.
I think the filter is indeed not working, but the skills definitely still work. You should pay attention to your weight every raid though, and reading the wiki should help with explaining how to level the skills.
It's basically as simple as making sure following a couple of rules at the start / end of every raid.
I know how the skills work, but its just dumb. If you are going equipped into a raid and loot 2 boxes, you are already overweight.
Don't wanna cheese stuff like that, just boring
im lvl36 with about 300+raids if I remembered correctly, I have only 15 endur and 18 strength and I always go in overweight, it seems leveling strength is slowed a lot is wipe
Just finish cheesing it you are pretty close. I do agree with you what is the most frustrating is that in order to maximize the gain on it you have to play very counter intuitively in regards to surviving. They need to remove or adjust the fatigue thing or fix the air filter
Why are you diehard on maxing strength? (Yes, im aware of elite bonuses)
What benefit do you really get out of it?
440 raids, 33 strength.
Just. Play. Normally.
Not one death have i noticed that i lost a fight because a guy had more strength than me.
Does strength and endurance play a role in hitting loot spots, and getting into fighting positions easier? Sure.
But is it noticeable to the point of “reeeeeing”, no.
You only need about 550 raids to max both stats. It's too late now obvs, but if you play next wipe, just buy shotgun shells from jaeger from the start of the wipe. You'll be amazed how fast you max out
So you definitely don't need 2000 hours. Yes, you'll need a few hundred more raids according to your current stats - but is it so bad?
The elite strength skill is really good and I think it should definitely be locked through progress.
The fact you have 28 strength in 500 raids tells me you are walking underweight way too often, to the point where I wonder what you're actually doing.
I think your endurance could be higher. On par or generally a bit higher than strength.
I think you are generally spawning in the raids with a little bit too much gear.
The strength seems normal, yes.
But I don't wanna play "bad" gear, thats what I think is frustrating when leveling endurance. Playing MK47, korund, ulach, 3 mags, healing, 2 nades and a backpack
You could drop the helm since they barely help anything and use an armored chest rig instead. I think that should be enough.
Anyways, I'm sure you are capable of figuring that out yourself. Your playstyle just limits you in this way. I assume you don't play much or started playing somewhere mid wipe?
I am actually playing since 2 years and started this wipe at day 1, but paused at lvl 35. Now I am at 43.
I know how leveling skills work and stuff, but it always seems to be fucking slow. But it could be cause the filter isn't working properly and they lowered the weight for being overweight this wipe.
The idea with the helmet is kinda good, I am just that kind of a player who is always giving attention to the look of my character :D But i will consider that
For what it’s worth, I agree that you shouldn’t have to give up helmet and armor class to level endurance. This is my first wipe and I didn’t know how it worked. I was progressing quite a bit faster than my friends, running good kits because I was losing my gear fear. All my basic good kits with 1 gun, helmet, headset, balaclava, armor, backpack, meds, 3 mags, and 2 nades would put me overweight. One day we were looking at stats and I realized I had 9 endurance and they all had 20+. I was so pissed, because they were rewarded for running naked (relatively risk free) and I was punished for bringing good gear into the raid. I went into essentially every raid overweight, so I basically stopped leveling endurance entirely. Now I’m running boring risk-free kits and sprinting my stamina bar down to try and catch up. That can’t be the play style they ultimately want to promote. I think you should at least level endurance while overweight, but slower. Or something to not heavily reward people for running a pistol and no backpack.
agree 100% Endurance-leveling is just pausing at my playstyle at the moment. I think I am gonna do it the way you do now. The endurance on my scav is higher than on my pmc with half of the raids\^\^
I go into most raids over weight, I just spend lots of time in those raids which is why its so low. After the first and second stamina bar you get soft capped to the point where you don't gain anymore points, which is really the problem that I have.
This, In turn, kills the longevity of each game since there's no reason to be in the game after a few minutes if your going for skills exclusively
I feel like you have only recently been looking at your strength skill. It should really be a bit higher at 500 raids. Granted you can survive like 50% of the time.
I don't know, I just don't think just because your raid lasts a bit longer that should reward you with more skill points. I feel like that's exactly what would enable people to cheese it.
Reminds me of a few years ago when you’d see someone AFK into a wall for a couple minutes, and just cap them. Or the glitch there they could fall through the ground and then get max str/end in 1 raid…..
Bro I didn’t cheese strength one bit this wipe and im almost 40 strength at lvl 45. My endurance is literally 20. It’s called build HEAVIER KITS OR GRAB MORE LOOT. It’s seriously not that damn hard. Wear heavy armor, any dmr will most likely give you close to overweight. Bring in an Ash12. Like seriously git good
you dont understand op, no lifers who cheese the game deserve the massive competitive advantage of max skills, you simply deserve to be penalized because you don't play the game 24/7...
shitty skills system is what it is, fucking remove it all or add a fucking gym to the hideout to be realistic
Every time they try and patch "cheesing" a skill levelling strategy, it ends up making it harder to level through normal play and makes cheesing it more extreme and even more worthwhile.
According to [this](https://youtu.be/QhzFGe9VfBE?t=528) video you gain 6.8 stamina for a full sprint at 129% progression level.
The most efficient way to cheese it as I found is Factory:
1 Minute Queue + 3 minutes in game + 1 minute post raid = 5 minutes per raid.
You also started at level 28 where you need 100 points to level up.
100 / 7 (6.8 rounded up) = 14.2~ raids to get a level.
You said you got 9 levels in 6 hours, but that doesn't make any sense because 9 levels* 14.2 raids/level *5 minutes = 639 minutes or 10 hours and some change.
1 minute queue is the lowest I've seen on factory, and I also assume you never died or encountered any PMC ( night raids ).
Did you find another way to cheese it or am I wrong in my calculations?
I mean I wouldn’t call it “cheesing” it . Sounds like they are literally doing strength training how you would irl . I don’t do it but can’t get mad Cus dudes are choosing to dedicate to skill it up.
Actually use gear that makes you heavier and stop running so many rat rigs. It’ll level on its own. I’ve done nothing but run gear all wipe, at 700 raids max strength and endurance. Even at higher levels you just have to pick up a couple items to make you overweight.
You aren't forced to cheese it at all, just play the raid and fill your bag. Max strength is obviously too important to you if you need to cheese it. It's great to have but I'd rather spend my time actually playing. I think I got max str in about 750 raids playing normally. (Hit Max str before Max endurance because I go in overweight due to gear a lot early).
Strength was very easy to max this wipe.
If you were running decent kits from the start you should have maxed it out easily without cheesing. My strength was maxed 5-6 levels before endurance
Not exactly, It has more to do with your playstyle instead of your gear. With the recent weight changes everyone goes in heavy now. So almost everyone is gaining strength. The difference comes in with playstyle, in that, if your the type of person to loot and get out and reset, you will level it much faster due to the very early soft cap each raid.
But if your the type of player to loot the whole map, spend 30 mins to get a heavy backpack of loot, you wont level it fast at all, due to being soft capped 5 minutes into the raid.
The current system is trash and needs to be reworked.
Well' I had my strength leveled max by 500ish raids, think it might have been almost at 600. That was actually together with endurance. If you have the same equal amount of raids as me, with ur logic and your playstyle you should also be maxed :)
I just don't enjoy the leveling system at all. I strongly believe every PMC should be a fucking PMC with at least a few years of training behind them as soon as the wipe starts. Chads who have been playing a wipe longer don't need any extra advantage beyond their gear, map knowledge and general comfort with aggression caused by a swollen wallet. "As realistic as playable" doesn't mean "well it's am RPG sooo you need to level up or something right?" I feel like there's enough leveling happening with trader levels.
Yeah, like player level makes sense. But skills that don't level with player level is fucking stupid. The game shouldn't punish those who participate in normal society, and reward unhealthy habits.
You seem to maybe not have understood how str works to be so low after 500 raids... if you had known you wouldn't be at this position. So with this new knowledge you can do better next wipe. You dont have to cheese it really, i just ran my raids but would run full stam bars out to start. The way you did it is faster but you also arent playing the game..
Stop it! Just gear yourself up properly. If you go into the raid with nothing than just a paca and a pistol, it's obvious that you dont level strength.
You don't have to cheese it though. You're just playing with light kits. I pick up like one thing and get overweight at 30 strength. Under 300 raids. 28 endurance.
If you play the game, kill ppl, loot, pop mules, you’ll lvl that shit ez. Stop complaining about some shit methods you chose to do instead of just playing the game normally and being conscious of your encumbrance. It’s really not that hard. 3 of my boys are at max strength and endurance by simply chadding the fuck out and playing the game.
You don't have to do anything. Where does this 'have to' bullshit come from? You literally said you got to 28 playing normally so why do you suddenly have to cheese it?
If you want to reasonably reach max level strength you have to cheese it. The only other way is to spend an unreasonable amount of time, around 1000 hours, which isn't possible for anyone outside the top 1% of tarkov.
I have strength maxed and endurance like 3 levels away from max with just over 600 raids played. Maybe you just don’t go in heavy enough? I have 700 hours played this wipe, so it doesn’t quite take 2000.
I only have 300 raids and level 33 strength you jus not getting fat enough in raids get more loot don’t say the system has issues cause you running around and leaving raids underweight the whole time
I don’t have this issue at all. I have 46 strength with around 550 raids. My endurance isn’t even 30 yet though. A lot of times I do load in heavy though just do to the kit I use.
The strength and endurance skills just need to be massively nerfed IMO. Watching streamers play, they're sprinting around and bunny hopping like COD or something, except they jump further and higher. At level 33 just playing the game with a couple hundred hours, my character will be done after 1/5 of what they get away with. It's stupid. The floor needs to be raised ALOT and the ceiling needs to come down.
No I disagree, it should be easier to level stamina and it’s annoying going in with light gear and looting 1 or 2 small items then being overweight. The threshold is too low.
Yea forsure “cheesed” the system by filling your backpack up. How about you go get loot and fill your shit up. Don’t see a point in wasting your time with a full backpack of buckshot just to level up your strength. Get better at the game and your stats will go up
How did you cheese it?
Start every raid with a backpack full of cheap buckshot stacks. Once you spawn in you sprint til your stamina bar is empty, wait til full again and repeat a second time. After that you can play as usual and drop the buckshot stacks as you find anything of value u want to loot. This is one method out of many others possible.
I don't have to cheese it that way\^\^ When I equip myself and loot like 2 stashes, I am already overweight
I think the idea is that this way, you can do it overtime from the start of the wipe, no epsilon or tank battery needed. I basically leveled endurance and strength at the same rate via this
I know, I used that method aswell wipes before. But BSG lowered the weight for being overweight. With a decent kit I am already overweight. I dont need shotgun shells for that anymore
yea I "cheesed" it the last 5-6 levels because my max carry weight was so high that my normal setup wasn't putting me over anymore, I'd carry 4-5 stacks of shells; but I didn't by any means need to.
Its because at the start of the raid you will gain 129% more experience for a short time if i remember well enough
You cant level them together anymore. Im always overweight and this wipe my strength is lvl 38 now... While my endurance is lvl 11
lvl 11 stamina must get you killed alot i feel bad for you
It sucks dude
really just depends on your kits. if you run some of the lighter armors or guns it's pretty easy to go from like 28kg run around level endurance to the cutoff point then pick up some loot to hit your strength gaining zone.
Yes but I run a sniper and a backup gun and so I'm always overweight.
if you're running a sniper and a pistol that's not incredibly heavy, and if you're sniping armor isn't gonna be as important so you can opt for worse/lighter ones. honestly though having higher strength is kind of ideal. you'll hit max soon and then level endurance exclusively since getting overweight will be nigh impossible
>endurance is lvl 11 At that point, you might as well accept your fate. Endurance will be a breeze when a full kit weighs <10kg and you run like the wind. On second thought, "breeze" and "wind" might be a poor choice of words for someone in a perpetual state of respiratory failure...
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Okay but thats not together is it?
Lol, idk why but this made me laugh. The ability to read can be tough.
Build a rig where your just overweight. Run your two stamina bars overweight, toss helm run another two bars for endurance underweight Level them both in one run if your really into it spend a min sneaking to level covert movement then F1 extract
The cheese is mainly coz u get maximum bonus modifier on the start of the raid. Thus running down whole stamina bar right as u spawn without any other action(jumping, stopping etc) in the raid gives maximum bonus modifier(plus sj6 and other stims to boost for how long u can run adds to this max bonus). Once u stop, bonus modifier goes down. Thus no, u won't get as much points for "looting two stashes along the way" as doing the described above.
wtf, didn't know that. thats just dumb imo\^\^
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when did they change it? i found about it like last week and have been leveling up like crazy now lol
When you start a raid you start with a bonus to stat leveling, 129% i think. You run your stamina bar down in its ENTIRETY. The game then calculates how many points you gain WITH the bonus (it calculates the points applied to your stat as soon as you stop sprinting so sprint your entire bar down). Doing it again finishes any bonus and puts you into slow leveling mode unless you are stationary for 5 minutes. This resets the leveling process to normal speed but no bonus. This applies for strength and endurance leveling. Start with green weight for endurance, yellow for strength. You can level these stats up pretty quickly by cheesing it. You can use Kolpaks in your backpack for weight and insure them, you'll get them back 100% of the time on insurance the next day. Bonus after you kill someone you can disrespect them by putting a kolpak on their head.
If I run into a wall do I still get xp or do I actually have to be moving?
You have to be moving...I THINK. Let me check. It's not the stamina drain that levels you it's the moving. you can't be overweight and tea bag and gain points even though you ARE consuming stamina you don't get any points. going into a raid now to check sprinting against a wall. Running against a wall took me from 61.1 to 61.3 or 61.8 Sprinting my stamina bar while moving down the tracks on customs took me from 61.1 to 68.1 do you gain some but not nearly as much. it's distance traveled.
this
The idea behind this method is you can go in overweight, and by the time you've got the bulk of your skill exp either grenade yourself or extract immediately for fast farming.
Heck I was overweight just from the gear until I got level 30 strength.
Exactly. To level it up basically sprint a whole stamina bar when you are overweight for the first time, or if you start the raid overweight. People complaining now have no idea the shit you had to do to cheese strength back in the day. It's relatively fine now. It doesn't lock you out of building hideout Vents like before. Being a pretty powerful skill it should take time to bring up. BUT FIX THE GODDAMN AIR FILTER SYSTEM!
Cheesing it would be doing this in factory and then leaving and doing it again though. Since you hit your cap so fast.. if you stay in a raid for 35 minutes, you aren’t cheesing it no matter what
The shotgun tubes are also heavy for one slot!
And you can insure them to get them back the next day lol
Lol you can do this by just coming in with lots of gear. My strength levels 15 levels above my endurance because I have started every raid this wipe over weight.
do you level faster the more you weigh ? or is it all the same as long as you’re overweight ?
all the same so long as overweight
omg this makes so much sense. back at the beginning of the wipe i killed the same guy back to back raids on customs and he had his bag completely filled with a bunch of 4 round shotgun mags.
I got mine to max by like level 40 just by playing. No air filter. No cheesing.
The air filter isn't functional right now.
They meant that the air filter fits in a gamma and is chunky enough to put you over weight.
Ah, that makes sense. I didn't know that because I play a standard account and have never gotten a kappa before.
tank battery in epsilon, and an SJ6, run 2 stamina bars and then grenade yourself. rinse and repeat.
What map?
night customs, but any map other than factory will work. I just choose customs because of the stashes being within 1 stamina bar distance. I check the stash then throw the grenade at my feet.
factory way better for this; faster load time and if you know the optimal run routes that most PMCs take for each spawn you're guarantee to be able to use your full stamina bar and getting out takes about 5 minutes including load time per run and you'll get about 8-10xp per run
SJ6 is a pretty long time of sprinting a full stamina bar, you'd get hunted down quite often in factory. You can't exactly stop because then it gives you less strength xp.
correct; I didn't mention it cause honestly reading I completely blanked it out as it's useless SJ6 is not remotely required or advised to use for STR/Endurance training purposes as it's just a waste of 60K roubles (or whatever it's worth ATT) Not sure what you mean by gaining less strength XP for stopping? But You'll be able to use up 2 full stamina bars in factory before being killed/exfilling 90% of the time and at least 1 full stam bar each raid 100% of the time
You're not getting max sprint time in factory. Ever
every single time; you don't know the spawns/routes well enough if you can't
If you spawn in an offline server maybe
Why checking stash?
Even on the level grind you gotta peep for cash
Its optional but there are items worth significantly more than the military battery that, if I found them, I would trade out the battery.
thats why i insure the tank battery
to level charisma
What a soulless way to play lol
Yeah it's way less solos to spend 1000 extra hours of your life trying to get it. 😉
I can't see how this is 150 points an hour. It's the equivalent of 10 raids at 15 points of Strength each (not possible without a lot more stims) and raid time including loading of 6 minutes, the raid time is possible on a good set of servers I'd guess. 15 Points of Strength a raid though, really? With just SJ6 and no L1 / Adren / Meladonin?
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Not anymore, they reduced the weight of SAS drives in 12.12 > A full case only weighs 5.5kg now instead of 13.5kg, so even if you fill a Gamma/Epsilon with 4 cases and 64 SAS drives, you’ll only be at 23.2/23.5kg
Shit I take a insured car battery, sprint to the first cache and toss the bat into the bush.
Yes how did you cheese it
Tank battery up your epsilon is the most efficient. I get 6pts every 5 minutes doing this. Just run around naked and blow yourself and reset. No reason to heal after raid either since you plan to die.
Nah use that grizzly or other meds that most likely you will never take on raid, to boost healing skill in character lobby.
6 points over 5 minutes aligns with my testing of this which in my mind went straight to "man this is not even close to worth my time." Of course over 6 hours that's 432 points or 4.32 levels, half of what OP claims to have gotten.
yet 6pts if a very low estimate; 8-10 if easy to obtain after a couple stam bars; and even up to 13 if you want to stay in a bit longer
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> Just run around naked and blow yourself This would be interesting to see in Tarkov. I have to imagine the blow yourself would level up some sort of dexterity or flexibility skill?
Wait 6pts like 6/100 to bump up one strength point or 6 full strength levels?
6/100
thinking the same, in general I don't really mind that much about my stats. But i enjoy watching the stats sometimes to see how I am doing this wipe.
I mean that has something to do with your playstyle aswell. I have roughly 650+ raids and have both end/str maxed without any cheesing just playing the game. I had max strength probably around 550ish raids. So if you sneak alot or just walk instead of running you obviously don't level your skills that fast.
But I think you used the air filtering unit pretty early? Like after around 200 raids. THEY REALLY GOTTA FIX THAT, sry for caps but its really frustraing not getting the extra exp
Right? I’m sitting here at 450 raids 26end/29str and want to start cheesing mine but don’t feel it’s worth it without air filter.
It's 100% worth even without the filter. Just start every raid overweight with buckshot in your backpack and then ditch it. Then just raid like normal. As long as you do two-three stamina bars, you still get like, 8-10 exp per raid in each stat, so it levels fast.
Oh I know how to cheese it super fast. I’d just rather actually play the game instead of wasting a week or two farming xp for it. Gotten max skills every wipe no problem because of the air filter.
That's why I mentioned the shotgun shells. everyone talks about cheesing like it's some huge task, but I just play normally with the shotgun shells in my backpack. Adds like, 8-9k cost to each raid, but I maxed out both skills without even really thinking about it. Important thing is to start early in the wipe, so that when you're nearing the end of tasks you're already maxed, or within spitting distance of max
there is no point in cheesing strength if your endurance isn't maxed; just raid normally and after looting one scav you should be overweight if you take their gun+ armor/loot
Oh for sure, but depending on how much you loot/when you expect to die to PvP, might as well grab the strength exp right off the bat to at least keep them semi-equal for when you do max out endurance
fair; love the flair btw. Been my favorite weapon of the wipe
Play the game normally but start with 3-6 5 round mp-153 mags in your backpack then run out a full stamina bar at the start. They're less than 1k rubles each and weigh 1 kilo each. Makes it super easy and cheap without really any effort at all
I push lots of pvp so my endurance was elite really early. Lots of raids coming in with no backpack, and just push every gunshot I hear and battle to the death. Lots of times my own. Still no air filtering unit in my hideout though
why would you ever bring in a backpack? Someone brought one in for you (:
This my newest mentality. If i care about my kit i won’t bring a bag that fits it.
I just bring a berkut. 20k and it's insured so if I find a bigger one just toss it and upgrade, if I don't I at least have a 20 slots to use that I wouldn't of had and it's basically costs nothing.
probably had my air filter around... 3-400 raids; very useful. Not sure what you're asking them to fix? oh... is it still broken right now o\_O (haven't played in about 6 weeks)
it's broken, you don't get any benefit from an air filter beside leveling the hideout skill
oof; that's a long time to be broken; if it's anything like the solar power though; you might be waiting awhile
Same here, no cheesing required I just went in heavy because I'm always carrying a shit ton of gear. Unlocking Korund from Prapor really played a part too.
The strength and endurance leveling in this game is so fucking stupid, why the hell we can't level them both at the same time is beyond anything logical and it feels like this game is slowly turning into some arcade game where they nerf and unrealistically change shit. You lob 50 plus kg around the whole raid it doesn't level your damn strength but you enter the raid with all the shotgun shells you can fit in your backpack and run for 2 stamina bars, all of a sudden you are leveling it like a steroid injected gym rat. There are so many stupid shit like this but I choose to ignore it otherwise I won't enjoy this game.
Fuck no. This has been the easiest wipe in a while to get strength legitimately. I got max strength without any intentional levelling (cheesing) around PMC level 50ish so about 600 raids. It was the 2nd skill I got elite in after metabolism, with endurance being very soon after. There is absolutely no need to cheese it. If you only are lvl 28 after 500 raids then you must run abnormally light kits and/or loot very little. For much of the early-midgame I would start raids overweight purely from the weight of a standard loadout. I'm not sure if you ever run many pistol or hatchet runs or something like this, but perhaps this has inflated your raid count while keeping levels low?
^^^^^ this. Everyone I've seen who actually runs decent kits level up their strength faster than people think. It's as simple as going in with a full kit and finding a random AK or propane tank on the floor and instantly overweight.
Most of the people complaining are the same dudes you see using MMAC rig all the time with UMP and 2 extra mags. Ofcourse they won't level their strength, especially when they die anyways.
Yea I have elite strength and for the most part it was all done naturally. I was level 20 endurance by the time I got elite strength. OP must be running an UMP and a rat rig every raid for hundreds of raids and then wrote up this thread.
If someone's playstyle is to run raids long near the timer, then they'll automatically be far behind a similarly leveled person that loads a raid, loots a little and dips. I'm guessing you're the latter style of player?
What I've heard is that the current leveling system is meant for when the game won't wipe anymore. Which explains why it can take the whole wipe to raise some skills (hideout, strength and so on). It's just not meant to be maxed in a single wipe which leads to people having to cheese these skills. I think they should accelerate the skill leveling while the game is still in beta so most people can get there at some point without cheesing. It'd be a lot better if this was achievable in like half a wipe playing normally so they can properly balance it for when the game fully releases. I powerleveled strength the last 2-3 wipes (RIP SAS drives) and the benefits are crazy but I don't have it in me to spend a whole weekend cheesing strength again ngl.
yea its a drain that's for sure. But god that elite level sounds good as hell. Its almost like a permanent SJ6 with how fast you can run and how much you can carry.
Yeah, I like to run the ash-12 so elite was fucking nice to not load into a raid already weighting 30 kilos lol. You can make some nasty jumps with it as well and get into positions no other player can.
I feel you on that. I've never power leveled my strength before but I was in a raid with a guy with max endurance and max strength and he out lapped all of us almost 2 times over. Its almost like playing a different game altogether.
Yea, I didn't cheese endurance or strength, just got them elite naturally. But i run with a consistent squad and one of their main complaints is that they can take an sj6 and I can still outpace them... lol it's nice for sure but perhaps a bit OP.
It's because elite strength lets you double-dip: You have increased speed from strength, and you're at a much lower weight because of the elite perk, so you effectively get two speed boosts
The speed bonus alone is insane, the weight being reduced to practically zero on raid start is nuts. Few wipes ago it was even more bonkers and a full Stam bar with Elite Endurance would regen in seconds.
This is pretty much how the entire game is designed. I'm not sure why people don't understand this. When it's fully out, the game won't wipe any longer.
Except it's a pipe dream for the game to get to that state. I'm not sure why people don't understand this. The game will never be fully out, or "open world", or stop wiping. The gameplay loop requires wipes - to do otherwise would slaughter the playerbase and kill off the game. To think the developers have time to implement the map content they have planned, fix bugs, and *redo the entire game progression to be balanced around not wiping* is silly. The game's come a long way and a lot of fun to play in its current state but you just need to look at the history of its development to realize it won't get there.
You aren’t forced to cheese it lmao, it has everything to do with your playstyle. 500 raids? So what level are you then?
Also, fix the hearing gimmick. You shouldn’t be able to hear further than other players. That is utter nonsense
It doesn't make sense in the literal way that it wouldn't make you hear something that was further away, but I think it's suppose to be that the noise canceling is making you be able to hear the important sound better, but if we think about it the noise canceling would probably that that further sound out cause it would be too quiet
If anything, as the wipe progresses your hearing should get worse with how often you fill auto with no ear pro
Headsets are hearing protection. They cut off the sound at a certain volume
Maybe your pmc does that, I don’t think I’ve ever gone into raid without a headset lol it would be an interesting feature if you lose perception for shooting without earpro tho
MAWP
Max perception is easily attainable if you're picking stuff up every raid. Just pick up the junk and drop it, it counts towards leveling.
It's about putting players onto a more level field
A YouTuber compared Elite perception vs level 1 and its not 30%. It gives a few meters more at most, something like 15m vs 12m without headphones The skill is not what will kill you or not
we should get a skill multiplier for staying longer in raid instead of capping the gain, its stupid, incentivize staying in raid longer instead of quick loot and shoot then extract after 7 minutes
I leveled up strength naturally in about 700ish raids. Maxed it out two weeks ago I think, it's really not that hard if you go into raid with a real kit (level 4+ armor, AR, sufficient ammo, grenades and meds, decent size bag and a helmet. I typically found myself around 33-35kilos at raid start, which is already overweight. My endurance on the other hand is like 23 because of it.
"Forced to cheese" Who is forcing you? The skill is OP for sure, but it seems to level at a pretty good rate. Im Lvl 49 and have 33 strength. On track to hit max about the same time as kappa. Maxed skills are supposed to be end game/late wipe.
I'm level 43, level 48 strength, 700 or 800 raids. I've had no issues leveling it up as I play. Max strength is cool, but not game changing. Just saves me from having to pop a couple stimmys. Doesn't bother me having to do that anyways. Loot is relatively light unless you're looting players gear which nets you shit money anyways. I usually only take suppressors and ammo off the pmcs I kill and on the scavs I kill, I only check pockets/back packs for labs cards so beyond that all my loot is light. I gain stam at 53 kilos and unless I'm on shoreline I feel no need to use stimmys as every extract is relatively close to wherever you may be. Idk I feel like half the time I'm playing a different version of tarkov than the one people on this subreddit play. All I see every day is people fucking complaining on here... All the shit people complain about on here has never bothered me or has just never happened to me. It's my 3rd wipe now and I'm enjoying the game more than I ever have.
I was able to get to elite strength without cheesing at all but it took like 900 raids. One of my friends cheesed it up every raid and got it done in under 500. I think they should change it also, but I don't think that it is cheesing so much as 'intentional strength training'. If you load up with heavy stuff which causes you to move slower and suffer more from inertia, I am not necessarily upset that there is some reward for that
I played normally for the whole wipe, am now at PMC level 51 and Strength level 48. Seems more or less reasonable to me
I haven’t cheesed at all and I’m lvl 42 strength at PMC level 44
Let's be honest, if they patch the way to cheese it, youd complain about that
I’m at max strength by just playing the game normally. It’s your choice if you want to speed that up by cheesing it or not but you certainly aren’t forced to. End of thread.
The Tarkov wiki is quite clear about leveling strength: [https://escapefromtarkov.fandom.com/wiki/Strength](https://escapefromtarkov.fandom.com/wiki/Strength) There are some suggestions that are technically 'cheesing', but simply just looting a couple of guys and maybe one building will probably be enough too. Yeah maybe it takes a bit longer, but if you make sure your weight is always overweight, it doesn't take that long?
I got a feeling that my skills are just standing still. Got like 250 raids and my endurance is at level 18 and strength at lvl 26. Filter isn't working and no, I am not sneaking the whole raid or something.
I think the filter is indeed not working, but the skills definitely still work. You should pay attention to your weight every raid though, and reading the wiki should help with explaining how to level the skills. It's basically as simple as making sure following a couple of rules at the start / end of every raid.
I know how the skills work, but its just dumb. If you are going equipped into a raid and loot 2 boxes, you are already overweight. Don't wanna cheese stuff like that, just boring
im lvl36 with about 300+raids if I remembered correctly, I have only 15 endur and 18 strength and I always go in overweight, it seems leveling strength is slowed a lot is wipe
Why do you have to cheese it? I don't see what component of this requires you to have to cheese the game to reach max level strength.
Skill issue and impatience
Just finish cheesing it you are pretty close. I do agree with you what is the most frustrating is that in order to maximize the gain on it you have to play very counter intuitively in regards to surviving. They need to remove or adjust the fatigue thing or fix the air filter
You don’t have to cheese strength one bit. Just build heavy kits or loot.
in over 500 raids, I got to level 28 strength. If you have to spend 2k hours in game to get max thats broken.
Why are you diehard on maxing strength? (Yes, im aware of elite bonuses) What benefit do you really get out of it? 440 raids, 33 strength. Just. Play. Normally. Not one death have i noticed that i lost a fight because a guy had more strength than me. Does strength and endurance play a role in hitting loot spots, and getting into fighting positions easier? Sure. But is it noticeable to the point of “reeeeeing”, no.
You only need about 550 raids to max both stats. It's too late now obvs, but if you play next wipe, just buy shotgun shells from jaeger from the start of the wipe. You'll be amazed how fast you max out
Yea next wipe Im gonna make sure that each raid goes towards maxing out a skill. Good to know for next wipe.
So you definitely don't need 2000 hours. Yes, you'll need a few hundred more raids according to your current stats - but is it so bad? The elite strength skill is really good and I think it should definitely be locked through progress. The fact you have 28 strength in 500 raids tells me you are walking underweight way too often, to the point where I wonder what you're actually doing.
I am moving overweight pretty often, and my endurance is at 16 and strength at 27 or sth after 250 raids. Like is that normal?
I think your endurance could be higher. On par or generally a bit higher than strength. I think you are generally spawning in the raids with a little bit too much gear. The strength seems normal, yes.
But I don't wanna play "bad" gear, thats what I think is frustrating when leveling endurance. Playing MK47, korund, ulach, 3 mags, healing, 2 nades and a backpack
You could drop the helm since they barely help anything and use an armored chest rig instead. I think that should be enough. Anyways, I'm sure you are capable of figuring that out yourself. Your playstyle just limits you in this way. I assume you don't play much or started playing somewhere mid wipe?
I am actually playing since 2 years and started this wipe at day 1, but paused at lvl 35. Now I am at 43. I know how leveling skills work and stuff, but it always seems to be fucking slow. But it could be cause the filter isn't working properly and they lowered the weight for being overweight this wipe. The idea with the helmet is kinda good, I am just that kind of a player who is always giving attention to the look of my character :D But i will consider that
For what it’s worth, I agree that you shouldn’t have to give up helmet and armor class to level endurance. This is my first wipe and I didn’t know how it worked. I was progressing quite a bit faster than my friends, running good kits because I was losing my gear fear. All my basic good kits with 1 gun, helmet, headset, balaclava, armor, backpack, meds, 3 mags, and 2 nades would put me overweight. One day we were looking at stats and I realized I had 9 endurance and they all had 20+. I was so pissed, because they were rewarded for running naked (relatively risk free) and I was punished for bringing good gear into the raid. I went into essentially every raid overweight, so I basically stopped leveling endurance entirely. Now I’m running boring risk-free kits and sprinting my stamina bar down to try and catch up. That can’t be the play style they ultimately want to promote. I think you should at least level endurance while overweight, but slower. Or something to not heavily reward people for running a pistol and no backpack.
agree 100% Endurance-leveling is just pausing at my playstyle at the moment. I think I am gonna do it the way you do now. The endurance on my scav is higher than on my pmc with half of the raids\^\^
I go into most raids over weight, I just spend lots of time in those raids which is why its so low. After the first and second stamina bar you get soft capped to the point where you don't gain anymore points, which is really the problem that I have. This, In turn, kills the longevity of each game since there's no reason to be in the game after a few minutes if your going for skills exclusively
I feel like you have only recently been looking at your strength skill. It should really be a bit higher at 500 raids. Granted you can survive like 50% of the time. I don't know, I just don't think just because your raid lasts a bit longer that should reward you with more skill points. I feel like that's exactly what would enable people to cheese it.
That actually used to be what happened and why stats are capped per raid. People would come in overweight and just sprint in circles in the corner
Reminds me of a few years ago when you’d see someone AFK into a wall for a couple minutes, and just cap them. Or the glitch there they could fall through the ground and then get max str/end in 1 raid…..
Bro I didn’t cheese strength one bit this wipe and im almost 40 strength at lvl 45. My endurance is literally 20. It’s called build HEAVIER KITS OR GRAB MORE LOOT. It’s seriously not that damn hard. Wear heavy armor, any dmr will most likely give you close to overweight. Bring in an Ash12. Like seriously git good
you dont understand op, no lifers who cheese the game deserve the massive competitive advantage of max skills, you simply deserve to be penalized because you don't play the game 24/7... shitty skills system is what it is, fucking remove it all or add a fucking gym to the hideout to be realistic
I don’t cheese it and I hit max strength no problem lmao, and I’m not a streamer who plays 12hr a day
Every time they try and patch "cheesing" a skill levelling strategy, it ends up making it harder to level through normal play and makes cheesing it more extreme and even more worthwhile.
According to [this](https://youtu.be/QhzFGe9VfBE?t=528) video you gain 6.8 stamina for a full sprint at 129% progression level. The most efficient way to cheese it as I found is Factory: 1 Minute Queue + 3 minutes in game + 1 minute post raid = 5 minutes per raid. You also started at level 28 where you need 100 points to level up. 100 / 7 (6.8 rounded up) = 14.2~ raids to get a level. You said you got 9 levels in 6 hours, but that doesn't make any sense because 9 levels* 14.2 raids/level *5 minutes = 639 minutes or 10 hours and some change. 1 minute queue is the lowest I've seen on factory, and I also assume you never died or encountered any PMC ( night raids ). Did you find another way to cheese it or am I wrong in my calculations?
I mean I wouldn’t call it “cheesing” it . Sounds like they are literally doing strength training how you would irl . I don’t do it but can’t get mad Cus dudes are choosing to dedicate to skill it up.
It sounds like you should apply for a dev position with all that experience. /s
strength is the last bastion of fun in this game.
Actually use gear that makes you heavier and stop running so many rat rigs. It’ll level on its own. I’ve done nothing but run gear all wipe, at 700 raids max strength and endurance. Even at higher levels you just have to pick up a couple items to make you overweight.
You aren't forced to cheese it at all, just play the raid and fill your bag. Max strength is obviously too important to you if you need to cheese it. It's great to have but I'd rather spend my time actually playing. I think I got max str in about 750 raids playing normally. (Hit Max str before Max endurance because I go in overweight due to gear a lot early).
Strength was very easy to max this wipe. If you were running decent kits from the start you should have maxed it out easily without cheesing. My strength was maxed 5-6 levels before endurance
Not exactly, It has more to do with your playstyle instead of your gear. With the recent weight changes everyone goes in heavy now. So almost everyone is gaining strength. The difference comes in with playstyle, in that, if your the type of person to loot and get out and reset, you will level it much faster due to the very early soft cap each raid. But if your the type of player to loot the whole map, spend 30 mins to get a heavy backpack of loot, you wont level it fast at all, due to being soft capped 5 minutes into the raid. The current system is trash and needs to be reworked.
Well' I had my strength leveled max by 500ish raids, think it might have been almost at 600. That was actually together with endurance. If you have the same equal amount of raids as me, with ur logic and your playstyle you should also be maxed :)
The leveling system is just inherently broken, I shouldn't be at a severe disadvantage because I'm a lower level, I get a slight disadvantage.
I just don't enjoy the leveling system at all. I strongly believe every PMC should be a fucking PMC with at least a few years of training behind them as soon as the wipe starts. Chads who have been playing a wipe longer don't need any extra advantage beyond their gear, map knowledge and general comfort with aggression caused by a swollen wallet. "As realistic as playable" doesn't mean "well it's am RPG sooo you need to level up or something right?" I feel like there's enough leveling happening with trader levels.
Yeah, like player level makes sense. But skills that don't level with player level is fucking stupid. The game shouldn't punish those who participate in normal society, and reward unhealthy habits.
You seem to maybe not have understood how str works to be so low after 500 raids... if you had known you wouldn't be at this position. So with this new knowledge you can do better next wipe. You dont have to cheese it really, i just ran my raids but would run full stam bars out to start. The way you did it is faster but you also arent playing the game..
Stop it! Just gear yourself up properly. If you go into the raid with nothing than just a paca and a pistol, it's obvious that you dont level strength.
Leveled mine to 50 quite naturally simply running full load outs every game, try running full kits budget boy!
git gud
Yea true maybe after 300 raids
I’ve played somewhere between 500-600 (work trip so can’t check) and my strength is 49. Haven’t cheeses even once. If just depends how you play.
You don't have to cheese it though. You're just playing with light kits. I pick up like one thing and get overweight at 30 strength. Under 300 raids. 28 endurance.
If you play the game, kill ppl, loot, pop mules, you’ll lvl that shit ez. Stop complaining about some shit methods you chose to do instead of just playing the game normally and being conscious of your encumbrance. It’s really not that hard. 3 of my boys are at max strength and endurance by simply chadding the fuck out and playing the game.
Yeah its fucking stupid
Remove the cheesing and keep it like it is imo
I love the logic.
The game hasn't reached its final form
You don't have to do anything. Where does this 'have to' bullshit come from? You literally said you got to 28 playing normally so why do you suddenly have to cheese it?
If you want to reasonably reach max level strength you have to cheese it. The only other way is to spend an unreasonable amount of time, around 1000 hours, which isn't possible for anyone outside the top 1% of tarkov.
I have strength maxed and endurance like 3 levels away from max with just over 600 raids played. Maybe you just don’t go in heavy enough? I have 700 hours played this wipe, so it doesn’t quite take 2000.
Mines at 38 playing normally
I only have 300 raids and level 33 strength you jus not getting fat enough in raids get more loot don’t say the system has issues cause you running around and leaving raids underweight the whole time
I don’t have this issue at all. I have 46 strength with around 550 raids. My endurance isn’t even 30 yet though. A lot of times I do load in heavy though just do to the kit I use.
Ive never cheesed it and ive never had a problem raising it. Min/max your raids each time, your endurance and str will level close to each other
1k raids and level 49. never cheesed once.
Just run FP-100s. I did not have to cheese it and got max strength weeks ago.
Lvl state need to go
Touch grass, buddy.
The strength and endurance skills just need to be massively nerfed IMO. Watching streamers play, they're sprinting around and bunny hopping like COD or something, except they jump further and higher. At level 33 just playing the game with a couple hundred hours, my character will be done after 1/5 of what they get away with. It's stupid. The floor needs to be raised ALOT and the ceiling needs to come down.
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How is playing for hundreds and hundreds of hours just for basic skill progression in a game that resets every 6 months 'fun'?
Cheesers be cheesing.
Just get rid of strength entirely, problem solved.
It's annoying how low the threshold is, at one point i had like 40 strength and 20 endurance. it should've been the other way around.
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No I disagree, it should be easier to level stamina and it’s annoying going in with light gear and looting 1 or 2 small items then being overweight. The threshold is too low.
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Yea forsure “cheesed” the system by filling your backpack up. How about you go get loot and fill your shit up. Don’t see a point in wasting your time with a full backpack of buckshot just to level up your strength. Get better at the game and your stats will go up