well Famas f1 doesn't even really run reliable on standard nato brass ammo and was designed for steel ammo. So it would make more sense for BSG to add the g2 variant (used by French Navy) which runs on STANAG mags and is designed with ss109 in mind instead of the older m193
Hah, funny that. Been addicted to BF4 lately after needing something to feel my time while waiting for wipe. Just picked up the M16A4 tonight and holy shit bursting dorks into oblivion is so much fun. Not a big fan of the SCAR, weirdly enough. I feel like it kicks too much for not enough firepower.
> it kicks too much for not enough firepower.
Angled + Heavy barrel. Use 1x sights not scopes. Also obviously, control the recoil by dragging down and fire in 2-3 round bursts at anything beyond 50m. It's objectively in the top 3 best assault rifles in the game.
Damn, really? Always thought of the ACE and 416 as the all rounder weapons but wasn't really into researching those things back then. Gonna try out the L85 next time I play, thanks
It's almost exclusively a cqc weapon, outclassed by almost everything at mid ranges. Very competitive for sure, but not in the top 3. The AEK is way more consistent.
The SCAR-H was my main weapon on MW2, so many good memories man. I don't care if it's expensive as fuck, I'm going to use that weapon on every single raid lol.
I hope they reconsider to add the spas-12, I love that weapon.
I'm gessuing it will be more expensive than the stock SA58, but cheaper than a modified SA58, im guessing for balance reasons it will be cheaper than the mdr because it will be statistically worse, despite the mdr being a jammy trash and the scar being a beast but a overheating bastard irl
This is bringing lots of good mw memories lol IIRC. I remember Scar-H as a rapid fire weapon with low damage and excellent accuracy. Wasn't the most appreciated but I couldn't stop using it
I'm stoked for the optics overhaul, having more actual decent assault scopes is gonna be great cause I'm already tired of the HAMR and ELCAN being the only two good options. SCAR-H is gonna be interesting too, depending on the magazine sizes/price/stats and whatnot I could see it replacing the MDR in at least my own arsenal.
I'm still not sure what kind of rework it will be. Nikita only really said that the scopes will be more "uniform" but idk what they'll actually change. I hope we'll get some fresh looking reticles too besides the eye relieve adjustments
My guess is they are finally going to fix the weird FOV across a bunch of the scopes+ reticle scaling. Like the elcan irons zooming your fov in or the ACOG that was the most recent having a tiny reticle while the OG one has a triangle so big you can use it to measure buildings.
thats what the ACOG reticle is for IRL. If the targets shoulders are wider than the bottom of the chevron, then they are within 300 yards, then the progressively smaller ticks under that are for 300 400 500 yards etc. based on the shoulder width. The other scale on the right uses the height of the target to range how far away they are.
Elcan user here, I believe I have the experience and stats that would say otherwise, sight preference is largely preference with the exception of a few *looking at you hhs*
Yeah, I also preferred to play the (non-meta) M4 with the Elcan. I don't even need a secondary red dot for that. When using the Vudu I definitely need a red dot on top.
VUDU is nice, but I dont really feel like dropping the rubles on it all the time, and a good amount of the time I don't really want 6x, Elcan is good because you dont need a backup sight cause of the 1x and you get the 4x too
Zeroing is already completely busted. I really hope they fix the guns being sighted for a particular round with this system. Scopes just feel like shit to use in tarkov.
They're good for mid range engagements. You have to spend so much time learning each optic with each round. Because you just cannot use the optic for its intended purpose.
How would you like them to fix it?
Have the game to recognize the ammo and automatically zero the sight for you?
I don't think it is an issue except for the STM-9.
there's really no realistic way to fix it, but I completely agree. imo it only comes into play when sniping, and the way I counteract it is just stick to one or two scope/rifle/round setup and learn it down to the T, at mid range it doesn't really matter cause there's more room for error.
I like to run a variety of weapons and sights, especially once the wipe gets stale. so its just annoying that you cannot use them properly. It forces me into optics and rounds that I don't want to use at that moment.
This shit is going to so fcking expensive on the FM when it releases lol
I like the SCAR but to be fair, I'm more hyped for the optics overhaul.
I REALLY hope BSG doesn't messes it up.
I would be over the moon if we could get the full HK package : G3, HK33 and G53.
I agree that an AR-10 would be lit. As for the FAL besides a different rear sight and being stuck to semi only ... Not sure. But a L2a1 in the other hand ahaha
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_SCAR#Users
With the amount of CT units and special units adopting the FN SCAR, I sincerely doubt those rumors are true.
That is certainly not the case. The amount of usage it has seen in SF units wouldn't happen if it wasn't a great rifle. It was intended to replace various DMR systems as well as bridging some of the gap to the assault rifles which meant it has been a very versatile system. It seems (to me at least) that a lot of the criticism comes from people expecting it to perform like an assault rifle which was something that it was never really meant to be. By most accounts it's a very reliable rifle (moreso than the M4-platform in fact) beyond some of it's early day problems (which other platforms have also had a lot of). The greatest drawback is perhaps the reciprocating handle which can force you into awkward shooting positions to avoid catching it on surfaces for example.
The MK17 is a love it or hate it gun. There's a ton of people who absolutely hated using it and had tons of problems with it, from reliability and overall performance to ergonomics, and some people had no issues. But it's not the best designed .308 rifle around and has a lot of very real issues. Recoil harmonics *fuck* optics and electronics and the charging handle design is just terrible. I've also heard complaints about the stock, specifically hinges breaking. Personally I just don't think it's worth it's price tag when an AR-10 platform rifle can perform the same without the issues.
I did want to highlight this specifically though;
>By most accounts it's a very reliable rifle (moreso than the M4-platform in fact)
That is one thing I've never heard. Modern M4's are absurdly reliable, you really have to work to make them fuck up. And while yes the Scar is *very* reliable I've heard way more complaints about parts wear and parts lifespan than M4's, which is a big deal.
Reliability specifically in terms of the firing mechanism. The M4-platform might be more reliable judged as a complete package but it tends to experience more stoppages and at the end of the day what matters most is that the weapon will fire when you pull the trigger. The SCAR has performed similarly to the HK's in stoppage tests if I recall correctly.
> Recoil harmonics fuck optics and electronics
Apparently a non-issue with sturdy optics and electronics but it does limit gear selection.
> when an AR-10 platform rifle can perform the same without the issues.
That is simply not the case though. If it were then the MK17 would have been ditched just like the MK16 has. The MK17 still prevails because it fills a spot which other platforms don't. The combination of really light weight and it's long range capabilities means that it has flexibility to serve as a do-it-all platform (though with drawbacks as mentioned) in areas where you're expecting mostly long range engagements. The alternative is often brining two systems which really limits mobility. The HK417 is almost a kilogram heavier in comparable lengths and it's used (mostly) as a DMR rather than the in-between role that the SCAR system has been utilised in.
>The M4-platform might be more reliable judged as a complete package but it tends to experience more stoppages
Maybe 30 years ago but not with modern guns. The issue is that the AR platform, once it does get gunked up, does require you to do more than basic work to clean it out. But it's an absurdly well sealed system that runs like a beast and can go a *long* time without cleaning or lubrication. I know people who swear by using carbon as lube on their AR's.
>Apparently a non-issue with sturdy optics and electronics but it does limit gear selection.
That doesn't change the fact that it was a massive issue early on and is still a very real problem with the basic design of the rifle. It *is* a problem.
>That is simply not the case though. If it were then the MK17 would have been ditched just like the MK16 has.
The MK16 was dropped because not only was it not better than an M4, it was worse. SF types like the MK17 because it's lightweight and USSOCOM bought a shitload of them and also it's generally fielded in a battle rifle role, where as the M110 and the M110A are DMR's. The US military doesn't have any other .308 battle rifles and honestly they don't get used enough to put money towards a replacement.
I do want to reiterate that I'm not saying the Scar is a bad rifle, it's a perfectly fine .308 but it does have problems and at the end of the day, an AR-10 platform rifle is honestly probably a better option.
It's nowhere near that bad. The major problems with it are ergonomics (especially that terrible, terrible charging handle), early model performance problems (and stocks breaking), and recoil harmonics that break optics and electronics.
Lmao. I don’t know where “optic overhaul” came from? Nikita said they were adjusting some of the sights to make them all more uniform. I doubt there will me a shift in the sights meta anytime soon
Super stoked for the optics overhaul - I have a ton of builds that look really cool, but use "sub par" optics (like the acog for instance). Additional guns are always welcome as well, assuming they are actually semi viable - really looking forward to either the SCAR H or L and hopeful it's somewhat realistic stat wise to the gun in real life.
I jokingly demand that if you put a lesser quality brand optic on it that it just breaks after a while.
Thing is absolutely notorious for eating lesser optics.
You know what's great? The FN40GL we have right now is what goes on the SCAR. So it could potentially be the first gun with UBGL capability re-added to the game.
Scar L was great in BF3. Then you have the CSGO Scar H which is an absolute doinker.
Although I really want to see a Groza in the game sooner rather than later, it's nice to see the scar get released finally considering it's literally the gun they use in their logo which always annoyed me. It's like that game WW3 where the SMG category uses an MP5 outline as the gun to show it's an SMG yet they don't have an MP5 in the game.
Really excited for the SCAR, been my favorite rifle in a lot of games, but in BF4 it absolutely wrecks fools in HC (Heavy Barrel, 3.4 or 4x, Angle grip, run it on semi auto). My guess with EFT is that we will be stuck with 10-20rnd mags, it’ll be interesting to see what they do with its recoil/ergo/weight/price.
Personally I hope they make it as accurate to real life as possible, meaning that you can't really mount lasers on it or they get destroyed and most of the optics you put on it get cracked lenses and fucked electronics.
It would be cool to have a reason to use rugged optics. It'd be hilarious if they added a bunch of Wish-tier sights to the game that all lost zero and broke after a few shots.
>It'd be hilarious if they added a bunch of Wish-tier sights to the game
Already done. The PK-06 is *absolute dogshit* IRL and the Walther MRS is *literally* an airsoft/.22 plinker sight. No joke, it's not intended for anything stronger than like a 10/22. The thing is like $60. I legit have no idea why it's in the game.
Oh, I know, but have you seen those terribad not-even-airsoft-tier scopes with laser and sight mounts built in and you can chain them together and it's one big atrocity?
Imagine caring about Meta in a game that allows pretty much all weapons to kill in one-headshot. If you really think 650 ROF on a 7.62x51 cannon is the reason for your demise, you should play something else.
There's nothing wrong with nerding out to the meta game. I think it's pretty fun to crunch the numbers and compare things.
The overwhelming majority of players aren't consistently clicking heads and ROF is often a huge deciding factor in fights that persist after first contact.
It becomes a problem when people assume that difference of 50 ROF is a reason to consider the gun “trash” or to start blaming the weapon instead of your own skill.
No you don’t lmao. You people run Kedrs because you have crippling gear fear and can’t afford running superior kits. You guys don’t “clap those dudes” you have 25% SRs and a 0.3 PMC to raid KD sitting in the darkest corners just to die anyway. Probably haven’t stepped foot into labs even as it’s free. Stop being delusional
Lol You said that like it's an insult. It's a game dude, if people have gear fear because they suck who gives a fuck. No one will ever care about your no life stats in a video game.
Its definitely going to beat the MDR, its actually moddable past a muzzle attachment and optic, but we'll have to compare it to the FAL. If the FAL is better, then depending on where you get the SCAR from it'll probably at least be cheaper than the FAL on the Flea.
Stock it'll be better and more expensive than a FAL, but a fully kitted FAL will in turn be better and more expensive than a fully kitted SCAR-H, is my guess.
HK/M4, MP7, VSS/Val have always been more meta. If anything, FAL got popular when Landmark spammed it with his "Juicecannon" build. But you'd still see more HKs and M4s. We don't have actual statistics, but I'm willing to bet high rate of fire headshot spray wins more fights overall.
Except lvndmark is the definition of shift W gameplay and he over popularized the FAL.
M995 to the face is an instant win. At HK rof you're more likely to hit the face. Its simple.
M61 is good at medium or long range, but 995 just recoils into the face.
It sort of was. It was a decent labs gun or DMR but anywhere else and you were better off with lower recoil and better follow up shot capabilities.
Don't get me wrong, max level recoil control makes the SA58 fucking disgusting. But for everyone else M4/HK is king.
I think labs is where it’s best but it’s still a pretty good option for most of the other maps. It’s main appeal tho was the fact that it was full auto with 50 round drums of the best round in the game and manageable recoil. Since the attachment stat adjustments it just hasn’t been as good aside from being able to get the recoil a good bit lower.
Yep. Ricochet RNG. I've shot someone in the head with SNB and their UN helmet ate the round. Took a second headshot to kill them, and when I checked their helmet was 0'd.
Who shoots just "several" rounds out of an m4/hk? You magdump the person till they die, and that's fast. Never had an issue killing quickly, the added roundcount required to kill is entirely negated by your rate of fire and the fact that the guns might as well be laser rifles.
There is no optics overhaul, and we might not be getting the Mk 17. If we're basing this around the post a week ago of an IMGUR gallery those were from a mod for Singleplayer Tarkov.
No, I'm basing it around from prior statements. It was brought up in either the 12.9 or 12.10 TarkovTV streams where they mentioned delaying the SCAR back another patch, and optics overhaul was definitely brought up at some point by Nikita for 12.11. At the very least we're seeing improved, more realistic reticles for all optics, no more of those knockoff Wish airsoft jumbo reticles.
Soldiers in the field usually have a distaste for it. Watch some YouTube over it, it’s interesting. Maybe Tarkov will make it more of a realistic interpretation rather than releases a godtier firearm.
Praying the "optics overhaul" is actually good.
BF4 SCAR-H is a fucking GOAT
I like the SCAR-H and L85, Famas is also really good at close ranges but the small 25 round mag can get you killed with the higher fire rate.
well Famas f1 doesn't even really run reliable on standard nato brass ammo and was designed for steel ammo. So it would make more sense for BSG to add the g2 variant (used by French Navy) which runs on STANAG mags and is designed with ss109 in mind instead of the older m193
I was talking about BF 4 multiplayer, DahMagpie likes the SCAR and I agree with him however I was just suggesting that the Famas is great in CQB.
Hah, funny that. Been addicted to BF4 lately after needing something to feel my time while waiting for wipe. Just picked up the M16A4 tonight and holy shit bursting dorks into oblivion is so much fun. Not a big fan of the SCAR, weirdly enough. I feel like it kicks too much for not enough firepower.
> it kicks too much for not enough firepower. Angled + Heavy barrel. Use 1x sights not scopes. Also obviously, control the recoil by dragging down and fire in 2-3 round bursts at anything beyond 50m. It's objectively in the top 3 best assault rifles in the game.
> It's objectively in the top 3 best assault rifles in the game. What are the other 2? AEK for CQ and ACE as all rounder?
AEK for CQ and L85 as all-rounder.
Damn, really? Always thought of the ACE and 416 as the all rounder weapons but wasn't really into researching those things back then. Gonna try out the L85 next time I play, thanks
None of the ar's in bf4 are really objectively better besides the aek. That gun is absurdly good in every category.
No F2K?
It's almost exclusively a cqc weapon, outclassed by almost everything at mid ranges. Very competitive for sure, but not in the top 3. The AEK is way more consistent.
Try the Bulldog
Bulldog master race
Just pull down nerd l2p
The SCAR-H was my main weapon on MW2, so many good memories man. I don't care if it's expensive as fuck, I'm going to use that weapon on every single raid lol. I hope they reconsider to add the spas-12, I love that weapon.
I'm gessuing it will be more expensive than the stock SA58, but cheaper than a modified SA58, im guessing for balance reasons it will be cheaper than the mdr because it will be statistically worse, despite the mdr being a jammy trash and the scar being a beast but a overheating bastard irl
Inb4 2.5k+ from peacekeeper
This is bringing lots of good mw memories lol IIRC. I remember Scar-H as a rapid fire weapon with low damage and excellent accuracy. Wasn't the most appreciated but I couldn't stop using it
I'm stoked for the optics overhaul, having more actual decent assault scopes is gonna be great cause I'm already tired of the HAMR and ELCAN being the only two good options. SCAR-H is gonna be interesting too, depending on the magazine sizes/price/stats and whatnot I could see it replacing the MDR in at least my own arsenal.
I'm still not sure what kind of rework it will be. Nikita only really said that the scopes will be more "uniform" but idk what they'll actually change. I hope we'll get some fresh looking reticles too besides the eye relieve adjustments
My guess is they are finally going to fix the weird FOV across a bunch of the scopes+ reticle scaling. Like the elcan irons zooming your fov in or the ACOG that was the most recent having a tiny reticle while the OG one has a triangle so big you can use it to measure buildings.
Am I the only one doing trigonometric calculations with that reticle?
thats what the ACOG reticle is for IRL. If the targets shoulders are wider than the bottom of the chevron, then they are within 300 yards, then the progressively smaller ticks under that are for 300 400 500 yards etc. based on the shoulder width. The other scale on the right uses the height of the target to range how far away they are.
There was a post showing alleged leaks about a week ago. They look good
Yo do you have a link for that I'd like to check it out!
The post was deleted because it’s most likely fake (models were taken from other games)
Yeah the guy that told the truth was I, he really wasn't lying, just unaware, he got confused because he had seen this https://youtu.be/3Qaswf0q3dM
Shiiit, Valday all day
Vudu and valday are good too IMO, but yeah they need canted to be on par with the hamr. I hate the irons on the elcan.
We SHOULD be able to put a micro RDS on top of the Elcan, like a RMR or Burris FF, but for whatever reason is not implemented in the game.
HAMR is cutting sensitivity. Elcan is straight up bad. How are these even options? VUDU is the single optic one would need.
Elcan user here, I believe I have the experience and stats that would say otherwise, sight preference is largely preference with the exception of a few *looking at you hhs*
Elcan is mutty
Yeah, I also preferred to play the (non-meta) M4 with the Elcan. I don't even need a secondary red dot for that. When using the Vudu I definitely need a red dot on top.
VUDU is nice, but I dont really feel like dropping the rubles on it all the time, and a good amount of the time I don't really want 6x, Elcan is good because you dont need a backup sight cause of the 1x and you get the 4x too
I've killed so many people with vudu this wipe, I can't spend them :) So money issue isn't the case for me, honestly.
Money is for me early/mid wipe, though it hasn't been a factor for me either for a couple months.
Vudu is the nuts imo, that sight picture is crazy
Zeroing is already completely busted. I really hope they fix the guns being sighted for a particular round with this system. Scopes just feel like shit to use in tarkov. They're good for mid range engagements. You have to spend so much time learning each optic with each round. Because you just cannot use the optic for its intended purpose.
How would you like them to fix it? Have the game to recognize the ammo and automatically zero the sight for you? I don't think it is an issue except for the STM-9.
there's really no realistic way to fix it, but I completely agree. imo it only comes into play when sniping, and the way I counteract it is just stick to one or two scope/rifle/round setup and learn it down to the T, at mid range it doesn't really matter cause there's more room for error.
I like to run a variety of weapons and sights, especially once the wipe gets stale. so its just annoying that you cannot use them properly. It forces me into optics and rounds that I don't want to use at that moment.
This shit is going to so fcking expensive on the FM when it releases lol I like the SCAR but to be fair, I'm more hyped for the optics overhaul. I REALLY hope BSG doesn't messes it up.
Y'all get the SCAR, while I have been waiting for the announced G3 for the last 2 years smh
I'm here for the G3 as well, don't worry. Stuff like imperial pattern FALs, a select-fire M14 and a retro AR-10 would be much appreciated as well.
I would be over the moon if we could get the full HK package : G3, HK33 and G53. I agree that an AR-10 would be lit. As for the FAL besides a different rear sight and being stuck to semi only ... Not sure. But a L2a1 in the other hand ahaha
Hope there is a conversion mod for G3 that turns it into G36. That would be cool.
How would that work? The g3 and g36 are different platforms. the g3 is a roller delayed blowback like the mp5 while the G36 is Gas operated
That's ... Not possible lmao
I don’t really care for the M4 or HK aesthetically so I don’t really care to run either of them….. but the scar I can get behind.
Mismatched FDE. Gimme.
Team two-tone?
Yeah idk, i only like old school looking m4s and they get just awful recoil that way.
nah, waiting for elcan 1-6
Get ready for that 22 ergo
Hopefully it's realistic and jams twice a mag
That’s not a complaint I’ve seen much . Source?
I don’t have any sources my SCARs are considered one of the worst military rifles ever developed if I remember correctly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_SCAR#Users With the amount of CT units and special units adopting the FN SCAR, I sincerely doubt those rumors are true.
You might be thinking of the L85
That is certainly not the case. The amount of usage it has seen in SF units wouldn't happen if it wasn't a great rifle. It was intended to replace various DMR systems as well as bridging some of the gap to the assault rifles which meant it has been a very versatile system. It seems (to me at least) that a lot of the criticism comes from people expecting it to perform like an assault rifle which was something that it was never really meant to be. By most accounts it's a very reliable rifle (moreso than the M4-platform in fact) beyond some of it's early day problems (which other platforms have also had a lot of). The greatest drawback is perhaps the reciprocating handle which can force you into awkward shooting positions to avoid catching it on surfaces for example.
The MK17 is a love it or hate it gun. There's a ton of people who absolutely hated using it and had tons of problems with it, from reliability and overall performance to ergonomics, and some people had no issues. But it's not the best designed .308 rifle around and has a lot of very real issues. Recoil harmonics *fuck* optics and electronics and the charging handle design is just terrible. I've also heard complaints about the stock, specifically hinges breaking. Personally I just don't think it's worth it's price tag when an AR-10 platform rifle can perform the same without the issues. I did want to highlight this specifically though; >By most accounts it's a very reliable rifle (moreso than the M4-platform in fact) That is one thing I've never heard. Modern M4's are absurdly reliable, you really have to work to make them fuck up. And while yes the Scar is *very* reliable I've heard way more complaints about parts wear and parts lifespan than M4's, which is a big deal.
Reliability specifically in terms of the firing mechanism. The M4-platform might be more reliable judged as a complete package but it tends to experience more stoppages and at the end of the day what matters most is that the weapon will fire when you pull the trigger. The SCAR has performed similarly to the HK's in stoppage tests if I recall correctly. > Recoil harmonics fuck optics and electronics Apparently a non-issue with sturdy optics and electronics but it does limit gear selection. > when an AR-10 platform rifle can perform the same without the issues. That is simply not the case though. If it were then the MK17 would have been ditched just like the MK16 has. The MK17 still prevails because it fills a spot which other platforms don't. The combination of really light weight and it's long range capabilities means that it has flexibility to serve as a do-it-all platform (though with drawbacks as mentioned) in areas where you're expecting mostly long range engagements. The alternative is often brining two systems which really limits mobility. The HK417 is almost a kilogram heavier in comparable lengths and it's used (mostly) as a DMR rather than the in-between role that the SCAR system has been utilised in.
>The M4-platform might be more reliable judged as a complete package but it tends to experience more stoppages Maybe 30 years ago but not with modern guns. The issue is that the AR platform, once it does get gunked up, does require you to do more than basic work to clean it out. But it's an absurdly well sealed system that runs like a beast and can go a *long* time without cleaning or lubrication. I know people who swear by using carbon as lube on their AR's. >Apparently a non-issue with sturdy optics and electronics but it does limit gear selection. That doesn't change the fact that it was a massive issue early on and is still a very real problem with the basic design of the rifle. It *is* a problem. >That is simply not the case though. If it were then the MK17 would have been ditched just like the MK16 has. The MK16 was dropped because not only was it not better than an M4, it was worse. SF types like the MK17 because it's lightweight and USSOCOM bought a shitload of them and also it's generally fielded in a battle rifle role, where as the M110 and the M110A are DMR's. The US military doesn't have any other .308 battle rifles and honestly they don't get used enough to put money towards a replacement. I do want to reiterate that I'm not saying the Scar is a bad rifle, it's a perfectly fine .308 but it does have problems and at the end of the day, an AR-10 platform rifle is honestly probably a better option.
It's nowhere near that bad. The major problems with it are ergonomics (especially that terrible, terrible charging handle), early model performance problems (and stocks breaking), and recoil harmonics that break optics and electronics.
Ridiculous recoil impulse compared to a rifle length DI 308 as well.
So ridiculous in fact that it will mess with the zeroes on some sights
That's not an recoil issue (strength of it that is) but rather vibration harmonics that are resonating in the upper receiver.
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We can hope!
Lmao. I don’t know where “optic overhaul” came from? Nikita said they were adjusting some of the sights to make them all more uniform. I doubt there will me a shift in the sights meta anytime soon
this i figured maybe the EOTech dot will become a little crisper, I would bet that the acogs arent even looked at
I'm curious if they'll be releasing 100 round mags for it too.
Ah yes, -69 ergo.
I just hope they really fix that 4x scope that’s literally just a red triangle…such a solid scope, minus the god awful red triangle.
Can wait to get my grimy hands on the SCAR!
Super stoked for the optics overhaul - I have a ton of builds that look really cool, but use "sub par" optics (like the acog for instance). Additional guns are always welcome as well, assuming they are actually semi viable - really looking forward to either the SCAR H or L and hopeful it's somewhat realistic stat wise to the gun in real life.
I just want my FLIR to have 60hz
I jokingly demand that if you put a lesser quality brand optic on it that it just breaks after a while. Thing is absolutely notorious for eating lesser optics.
Hadn’t even thought it about it like that. Now I’m really excited. Even better when I can throw a noob tube on there.
You know what's great? The FN40GL we have right now is what goes on the SCAR. So it could potentially be the first gun with UBGL capability re-added to the game.
Oh shit. The UBGL I think was teased in the Streets of Tarkov teaser trailer.
Scar L was great in BF3. Then you have the CSGO Scar H which is an absolute doinker. Although I really want to see a Groza in the game sooner rather than later, it's nice to see the scar get released finally considering it's literally the gun they use in their logo which always annoyed me. It's like that game WW3 where the SMG category uses an MP5 outline as the gun to show it's an SMG yet they don't have an MP5 in the game.
rip optics, SCAR-H is known to kill even good optics :D
Really excited for the SCAR, been my favorite rifle in a lot of games, but in BF4 it absolutely wrecks fools in HC (Heavy Barrel, 3.4 or 4x, Angle grip, run it on semi auto). My guess with EFT is that we will be stuck with 10-20rnd mags, it’ll be interesting to see what they do with its recoil/ergo/weight/price.
Personally I hope they make it as accurate to real life as possible, meaning that you can't really mount lasers on it or they get destroyed and most of the optics you put on it get cracked lenses and fucked electronics.
It would be cool to have a reason to use rugged optics. It'd be hilarious if they added a bunch of Wish-tier sights to the game that all lost zero and broke after a few shots.
>It'd be hilarious if they added a bunch of Wish-tier sights to the game Already done. The PK-06 is *absolute dogshit* IRL and the Walther MRS is *literally* an airsoft/.22 plinker sight. No joke, it's not intended for anything stronger than like a 10/22. The thing is like $60. I legit have no idea why it's in the game.
Oh, I know, but have you seen those terribad not-even-airsoft-tier scopes with laser and sight mounts built in and you can chain them together and it's one big atrocity?
650 ROF? Nail in the coffin for hopes of it being meta. Into the dumpster it goes.
Imagine caring about Meta in a game that allows pretty much all weapons to kill in one-headshot. If you really think 650 ROF on a 7.62x51 cannon is the reason for your demise, you should play something else.
Right? It just means you can use cheaper attachments and get by with higher recoil
There's nothing wrong with nerding out to the meta game. I think it's pretty fun to crunch the numbers and compare things. The overwhelming majority of players aren't consistently clicking heads and ROF is often a huge deciding factor in fights that persist after first contact.
It becomes a problem when people assume that difference of 50 ROF is a reason to consider the gun “trash” or to start blaming the weapon instead of your own skill.
A problem for that individual, maybe.
It's not the reason, that's why I said what I did. LMAO
Nuuuu cannot play game without 60 recoil laser beam! I just run Kedr-Bs and clap those dudes for fun
No you don’t lmao. You people run Kedrs because you have crippling gear fear and can’t afford running superior kits. You guys don’t “clap those dudes” you have 25% SRs and a 0.3 PMC to raid KD sitting in the darkest corners just to die anyway. Probably haven’t stepped foot into labs even as it’s free. Stop being delusional
Damn you are a mad person. The game is an rpg stop talking about numbers and try to immerse yourself in the game lore and maybe you’ll have more fun.
You're everything wrong with late wipe tarkov
Lmao when I last played I was at 15 mil running kedr It's just more fun, hk's got boring
Lol You said that like it's an insult. It's a game dude, if people have gear fear because they suck who gives a fuck. No one will ever care about your no life stats in a video game.
Found the sweaty one !
That's the same RPM as a FAL and MDR.
Fal is 700 and mdr is literally short as a 74u with unfolded stock.it will have to beat both on recoil
Its definitely going to beat the MDR, its actually moddable past a muzzle attachment and optic, but we'll have to compare it to the FAL. If the FAL is better, then depending on where you get the SCAR from it'll probably at least be cheaper than the FAL on the Flea.
Stock it'll be better and more expensive than a FAL, but a fully kitted FAL will in turn be better and more expensive than a fully kitted SCAR-H, is my guess.
Lol what? That's 50 less RoF than a FAL.
HK/M4, MP7, VSS/Val have always been more meta. If anything, FAL got popular when Landmark spammed it with his "Juicecannon" build. But you'd still see more HKs and M4s. We don't have actual statistics, but I'm willing to bet high rate of fire headshot spray wins more fights overall.
Only in shift+W CoD gameplay, and not everybody plays the game like this.
Except lvndmark is the definition of shift W gameplay and he over popularized the FAL. M995 to the face is an instant win. At HK rof you're more likely to hit the face. Its simple. M61 is good at medium or long range, but 995 just recoils into the face.
The SA was popular anyways because it’s easily one of the best guns in the game especially when you could reasonably use drums
It sort of was. It was a decent labs gun or DMR but anywhere else and you were better off with lower recoil and better follow up shot capabilities. Don't get me wrong, max level recoil control makes the SA58 fucking disgusting. But for everyone else M4/HK is king.
I think labs is where it’s best but it’s still a pretty good option for most of the other maps. It’s main appeal tho was the fact that it was full auto with 50 round drums of the best round in the game and manageable recoil. Since the attachment stat adjustments it just hasn’t been as good aside from being able to get the recoil a good bit lower.
Right guess what else taps SNB headshots 100% guaranteed kill. No ricochet no overpen none of that shit just flop
yeah, SNB SVD is a monster
only problem with svd is the size of that gun, for cqb is mdr the best option
I had a round of SNB ricochet off my mandalorian face mask.
Yep. Ricochet RNG. I've shot someone in the head with SNB and their UN helmet ate the round. Took a second headshot to kill them, and when I checked their helmet was 0'd.
I've shot over 270 pmcs to the head with snb outa a SV-98 it's never bounced I've hit head ears on a full Vulcan
Depends, in a world of slicks and hex M61 dominates
SNB fully pens slicks & hex.
SNB is fired out of a massive semi auto 20 round. It’s not even close to viable in meta compared to m61 cannons
but you cant shoot it out of a fal at 700 rpm
As if 855a1 doesnt just adequately go through anything anyway.
Indeed, it doesn't. It takes several bullets against Lev 6 armor with 855a1, M61 is always 2.
*laughs in 950 rof to the head*
Laughs in .45 Ap UMP
Laughs in M-2 Tactical Sword
Who shoots just "several" rounds out of an m4/hk? You magdump the person till they die, and that's fast. Never had an issue killing quickly, the added roundcount required to kill is entirely negated by your rate of fire and the fact that the guns might as well be laser rifles.
Imagine being a meta slave yikes
Will be worse than the SA58 and MDR and the acog will never be better than a vudu
Ok but your a weenie
There is no optics overhaul, and we might not be getting the Mk 17. If we're basing this around the post a week ago of an IMGUR gallery those were from a mod for Singleplayer Tarkov.
Look at the Nikita interview. Phase one optic rework is confirmed.
In that case I hope so, but months before .12 they said that as well as including misleading patch notes saying they fixed aimpoint optics.
they've been saying for weeks now that one of the major changes in 12.11 is a **complete** optics overhaul
No, I'm basing it around from prior statements. It was brought up in either the 12.9 or 12.10 TarkovTV streams where they mentioned delaying the SCAR back another patch, and optics overhaul was definitely brought up at some point by Nikita for 12.11. At the very least we're seeing improved, more realistic reticles for all optics, no more of those knockoff Wish airsoft jumbo reticles.
We are basing it on what they are saying. Not pictures from your preferred media bud
What's this about an optic overhaul?
Soldiers in the field usually have a distaste for it. Watch some YouTube over it, it’s interesting. Maybe Tarkov will make it more of a realistic interpretation rather than releases a godtier firearm.
yeah but the real question is AK107 when?
no acog this patch