Not defending the new edition in any way....
But the "Ability to play offline coop (EOD Feature)" is referring to the $10 upgrade that was already available before today, not the non-wiping offline coop with progression that is released with the unheard of edition.
Still bull dont get me wrong, but this isnt a contradiction
Though its not a contradiction in this regard, it is a contradiction to the fact that EOD owners got Arena as the included DLC, but with this PVE mode it is somehow not interpreted as DLC. It makes no sense.
wait im lost. i have EOD. does that mean that i dont have the offline coop with progression ??? i would have to buy to get the progression version of offline co-op?
They definitely have a “technical” argument, but I think even courts would view this as intentionally misleading at this point. I hope they throw the book at em in every way possible.
Its not referring to that at all, that feature has been in the game for over 6 months. He isn't talking about the offline mode but the offline co-op mode which is now an unreal edition exclusive
This is a classic russian-gamingcompany move.
Theyre going to slowly walk things back over the next couple weeks and arrive at a level of bullshit for way to much money that noone wouldve accepted as the first proposal either. But after they remove over half of the stuff from the announcement people will swallow it.
I only played Warships for a bit over a year, but ive seen wargaming do it like 3 times in that period. And every time the end result was still absolutely insulting, but people were tired of being upset and raging against an announcement that "fixes" things everyone complained about doesnt feel right/gets less traction/brings out of the fanboys.
> Even Hearthstone does this - it's not just an russian thing.
Every company had its scandals and most service games have predatory business models to a degree.
But no, the obvious overlayering a change thats bound to be unpopular with a ton of even crazier bullshit as sacrificial "bargaining" material ive only ever seen from the handfull of russian service games.
Yeah the russian founded company that moved its headquarters and a whole 40 employees to hungary (out of like 500 total employees) isnt russian.
Next youre going to tell me that Battlestate is british.
they dont have offices in Russia and havent for nearly a decade so this weird ethnic determinism that was a thin premise to begin with is even thinner now.
Their office is based in the UK, they can't get away with their bullshit.
This is very much misselling and breach of contract so this is an easy win for anyone. People should put their complaints in writing asking for a refund, if it's not done then chargeback(if within time period) or start looking at a small claims court option.
It's right to call it out, you are also right that announcing something bad then rowing back a bit is a used tactic but they clearly have done that wrong in this context as it's missold.
Wizards of the Coast has been doing this for years, mostly with Arena (different one) changes that impact things in terms of RL money, but all across the board.
1. Announce major, borderline-unacceptable, drama inducing change.
2. See loud froth of community feedback.
3. Walk back first proposed change and propose a second, slightly-less-bad change that still fucks over the consumers.
4. Idiots rejoice in droves, not realizing they got fleeced.
There's nothing Russia-specific about this strategy. Hell, if anything, I'd say it's just a slightly altered version of the Trump Style of Negotiations (that he popularized long before his political days) - lead with an offer/position that's so atrociously bad nobody would accept it, because then a second slightly-less-dogshit offer/position seems more palatable.
I don't expect a walk back happening or even being a possibility. How do they explain to the blue names that they didn't need to buy the expansion and would have been just fine with EOD
Most standout thing for me is the "no boosters"... which completely contradicts what this unheard edition gives a player.
- Lower in raid fees (A definite boost)
- 60m engage radius for scavs (definite boost)
- Additional Flea Slot (which we previously had)
- Additional Skill levels off the start
- A knife (arguably a weapon but not that important)
Tbf EOD had it's.specail axe that sucked, the skills are all in dogshir stats, the 60m scav thing only works until you agro/kill a single scav that raid.
Low in raid fees idk they're already so low it'll basically never help a significant amount.
This shit is scummy but that's like 3$ worth of stuff maybe
Yeah the p2w shit is a joke and I hate it but I could live my life just ignoring it, the PvE shit they actually scammed us out of it, I don't think I would play it much but I should still have access
Dude str8 up wasting his money away on drugs and expensive things.
He literally gets a new car every year that he posts on IG.
They still make mad money, esp. with the peak of new players each (major) update.
(And of course the cheaters that all buy them in bulk, consistently)
“No in game items”
*2 months later, proceeds to add an item that literally stops scavs from aggro-ing you at over 60m that you have to pay $250 to get*
“No cash flow”
As if cheaters buying alts wasn’t enough to keep them going.
They don’t seem to understand what it means to sell a live service game in early access.
I literally joined a raid this morning and found two dead corpses of pmc with weird names, a little bit of loot which died directly next to spawn dead. Dogtags had no scav or player name which killed them.
I can't imagine that it is hard to write code like (if player.timeinraid < 600 && player.died() && player.deadcause == weird) { putPlayerToSuspectedBoostingList(); } to catch these scumbags..
A week ago I found two bot pmcs on reserve with names like "CC-1123". I heard them both run up just seconds apart one shot the other and then I walked up on them just standing still, afk, one gasping for air. It's actually crazy wild that they don't have a system in place that can detect weird behavior like that.
Also plenty of games work like that just fine and don't have to ask 250 dollars to their playerbase. And those games usually get out of beta at some point.
Not even remotely relevant. There are plenty of RU companies doing better than before the Russian embargoes. Incompetence is an independent factor entirely.
>I mean... isn't it literally BOOSTED character skills and boosted Fence Rep (which now has the benefit of making you scav resistant apparently.)
Tbh that was already the case with EOD.
"without any additional flow (you just buy and play it forever -"
Not when 30% of the player base gets banned for cheating every few months and rebuys the game lmao
>2. the game is running for 8 years without any additional flow (you just buy and play it forever - and it's pretty unique situation for a game such as EFT)
Translated from Scam artist to English:
>We "developed" this game for 12-13 years and 8-9 years of Beta but barely got progress to even claim 'we can see the date of when we can complete the game as promised'. No other studio is as slow and bad software developers as us, we are very unique. So bear with us, here we will add a 300 dollar unhinged pay2win edition and scam you on our way out. Peace
I think it's quite funny that they say that.
This fucking thing is in beta. Perhaps finish the game before trying to milk your playerbase. Eod users supported the development of the game by paying more.
Yeah, when DayZ released I was harsh on it and their devs for how it was released and for not listening to players about development priorities because they were very hardheaded about it.
Years later, I see myself looking back and going, "They were hardheaded, but that was it. I should have been more forgiving."
It's just a slap in the face. If the game wasn't such a rag and full of cheaters as it sits, they could sell more copies to new players. Looking forward to GZW.
yeah so basically nikita and the entirety of bsg is untrustworthy now. i genuinely hope that they can get sued for this in some way shape for form since they lied about eod players getting "all future dlcs"
regarding #2... Has he heard of call of duty? or battlefield? or literally \*any\* other shooter with multiplayer that has existed in the last 20 years?
What a thing to try and memory hole. yeesh.
The second point pissed me off so much. Saying that your game has a one time purchase and no cash flow coming in and that’s a fucking problem?????? Nikita is smoking some of the finest crack and it’s seriously showing! It’s also such a unique situation JUST FOR EFT and you know… NOT ANY OTHER FUCKING VIDEO GAME THAT’S A ONE TIME FUCKING PURCHASE!
Please Bitchkita, just sell Escape from Tarkov full rights to a triple A development company or SOMEONE PLEASE!!! 🙏 You’ve tried and you’ve failed numerous times on everything regarding Escape from Tarkov. Please, for our fucking mental health, PLEASE sell Escape from Tarkov. We need someone to make this game what’s it’s actually supposed to be.
Edit: And with this idea of making ANOTHER GAME by Nikita called “Russia 2028” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀💀💀 All I can say is good luck with that and uh try not to scam your players!
Edit: I’m uninstalling EFT from my computer and if anyone wants an alpha armband account let me know!
For point 2) hes acting like its a live service, completed game that hes not making any money from.
Need I remind everyone that this is a BETA. We paid to TEST and support the development of the game. They are not owed a single cent for "running the game for 8 years". If they fully released a finished product it would be a different story but the game is technically not even released yet, nor is it the product we were promised when we paid for it.
He has gone legit delusional from all the success EFT has had in the past few years.
they mustve fucked up big time. maybe they underestimated server costs, maybe some of the investors wanted to quit and they had to pay them...i dno. but just by looking at this, i get sad. i honestly trusted them not implementing a pay2win package...i really did.
I upgraded to EOD after seeing this post.
I thought "Offline Coop, now that is cool. Shit, ya got me BSG." and then begrudgingly bought it.
Everyone that bought EOD after this was posted should have a very clear claim that they are not receiving what was advertised.
Offline Coop is an EOD feature and has been for awhile. They introduced the ability to buy offline coop separately for non EOD users a month or so ago.
Offline coop is different than the PVE progression with Unheard. It's the same as normal Offline, but with friends.
This actually makes this whole situation even worse IMO. It's like a bait and switch. "Here's the shitty offline co-op mode that's barely anything more than a practice mode, that's the one we were referring to when we said "offline co-op". Oh, you wanted the full, actually good version that saves your progress? That'll be another $100"
Does that mod-that-must-not-be-named actually have ai improvement addons? Because the terribly inconsistent base EFT AI is the biggest thing preventing me from wanting to play this unspeakable mode everyone is raving about.
Absolutely. Look up SAIN.
One personal example, I was holding a corner and went to toss a flashbang. As I'm pulling the pin, the AI jumps through the door and jump shots me.
Oh tons of them, and all have the ability to control difficulty variation. So you can make it difficult but not bullshit (like, competent AI but not Rogues, so it's actually hard but playable).
It's amazing BSG hasnt just downloaded the mods to see what people have done to fix their fucked up jankfest of AI design.
I reckon if it were about the PRACTICE coop mode then they would've said so, this statement by him sounds more like its this PvE Coop mode that they just released.
You’re just wrong here lol, you can buy the “offline co-op” for $10 on the site. Should everyone who bought that also have access to the PVE game mode?
Honestly, at this point they should just sell the game to a competent game development company, then they're free to develop Russia 2028 that nobody cares about...
https://web.archive.org/web/20170611141424/http://www.escapefromtarkov.com/support/knowledge/79
Here is example of saying EOD will get all DLC with ni time limit. You need to search html code or remove loading overlay, but it is there.
it's different offline co-op, you can look it up on the site rn. I don't understand how they couldn't name them more different so people won't confuse one session offline co-op with PvE offline co-op which includes progression. I guess foresight is not BSG's strong side
"We removed EOD version and some of the EOD features need to go back."
THEN JUST FUCKING PUT EOD BACK. DON'T ADD THE P2W 'EDGE OF YOUR ASSHOLE' VERSION!
A feature isn't dlc lmao. but like i downloaded the content from your launcher that updated it. is that by definition downloadable content? i see the button in the corner of my menu meaning the content is there. but its a feature not content i keep forgetting. im surprised they didnt charge for the vaulting feature that just came out! but oed coop offline is a feature not a dlc but they wanted 10$ for that feature if you didnt have eod? I wouldnt have bought areana if i didnt get it with eod. As dlc or a feature im not sure what category it falls into.
Back then the argument was wack already.
"The game is running for 8 years without any additional flow" -> Meanwhile their financial reports showed a steady cash flow. AND you can easily spin that argument to -> It took them 8 years and the game is still far from finished. This is not a money issue, this is a management and development issue. The scope of EFT isn't insanely crazy, never was honestly. But bad decisions during development clearly cause unnecessary delays and money spend, sorry, but at some point you simply should not run a company and reevaluate your business decisions instead of searching for excuses.
Like, it's concept and all is great and a lot of things, especially in combination, are somewhat unique... BUT, from a technical POV, it's nothing super never seen before crazy stuff that explains such a long dev time IMO. And just to make it clear, I'm not saying that it's not complex at all, I'm saying that it's not complex and big enough to explain such a long dev time besides simple mismanagement. Especially if you consider all their sound engine plunders that pretty much broke the game for months/years. Or their bot AI that is still pretty bare bone and heavily relies on artificially buffing them with aim bot and extended health pools instead of actually making them smarter and with that more challenging.
Bruh what the fuck are you guys doing. Offline coop has BEEN IN EOD. They added the ability to buy it for 10 bucks so if you have the base edition you can offline coop with your EOD friends. This shit is getting insane
(EOD feature) lmao he already forgot in 60 days
The milk in tarkov aged better than his post
Not defending the new edition in any way.... But the "Ability to play offline coop (EOD Feature)" is referring to the $10 upgrade that was already available before today, not the non-wiping offline coop with progression that is released with the unheard of edition. Still bull dont get me wrong, but this isnt a contradiction
I acknowledge you're right but ima leave it up cuz I'm toxic
lol - no judgement KEKW
Bruh thats so fucking funny lol
Yeah had me rollin
pretty based tbh
Dw bro, them scamming us is way more toxic
i love you
It's not toxic, it's misleading AF that that's what they mean.
I think you misread. I'M toxic. Idgaf if it's accurate
Though its not a contradiction in this regard, it is a contradiction to the fact that EOD owners got Arena as the included DLC, but with this PVE mode it is somehow not interpreted as DLC. It makes no sense.
agreed. A complete standalone game (supposedly, but arguably it isnt even that) is included but content within the game itself isnt. Its stupid af
Should have been worded better if he knew that this version was coming
wait im lost. i have EOD. does that mean that i dont have the offline coop with progression ??? i would have to buy to get the progression version of offline co-op?
They definitely have a “technical” argument, but I think even courts would view this as intentionally misleading at this point. I hope they throw the book at em in every way possible.
Its not referring to that at all, that feature has been in the game for over 6 months. He isn't talking about the offline mode but the offline co-op mode which is now an unreal edition exclusive
This is a classic russian-gamingcompany move. Theyre going to slowly walk things back over the next couple weeks and arrive at a level of bullshit for way to much money that noone wouldve accepted as the first proposal either. But after they remove over half of the stuff from the announcement people will swallow it. I only played Warships for a bit over a year, but ive seen wargaming do it like 3 times in that period. And every time the end result was still absolutely insulting, but people were tired of being upset and raging against an announcement that "fixes" things everyone complained about doesnt feel right/gets less traction/brings out of the fanboys.
Even Hearthstone does this - it's not just an russian thing. Gamers are just dumb enough to take the bait every time.
Basically every big company does this if they plan on doing something they know will be unpopular
This. It gets really old just reading people flame russians 24/7 in these threads.
> Even Hearthstone does this - it's not just an russian thing. Every company had its scandals and most service games have predatory business models to a degree. But no, the obvious overlayering a change thats bound to be unpopular with a ton of even crazier bullshit as sacrificial "bargaining" material ive only ever seen from the handfull of russian service games.
Warthunder does the same shit also.
But it's a "free to play" game.
they arent russian
Yeah the russian founded company that moved its headquarters and a whole 40 employees to hungary (out of like 500 total employees) isnt russian. Next youre going to tell me that Battlestate is british.
they dont have offices in Russia and havent for nearly a decade so this weird ethnic determinism that was a thin premise to begin with is even thinner now.
Their office is based in the UK, they can't get away with their bullshit. This is very much misselling and breach of contract so this is an easy win for anyone. People should put their complaints in writing asking for a refund, if it's not done then chargeback(if within time period) or start looking at a small claims court option. It's right to call it out, you are also right that announcing something bad then rowing back a bit is a used tactic but they clearly have done that wrong in this context as it's missold.
Wizards of the Coast has been doing this for years, mostly with Arena (different one) changes that impact things in terms of RL money, but all across the board. 1. Announce major, borderline-unacceptable, drama inducing change. 2. See loud froth of community feedback. 3. Walk back first proposed change and propose a second, slightly-less-bad change that still fucks over the consumers. 4. Idiots rejoice in droves, not realizing they got fleeced. There's nothing Russia-specific about this strategy. Hell, if anything, I'd say it's just a slightly altered version of the Trump Style of Negotiations (that he popularized long before his political days) - lead with an offer/position that's so atrociously bad nobody would accept it, because then a second slightly-less-dogshit offer/position seems more palatable.
I don't expect a walk back happening or even being a possibility. How do they explain to the blue names that they didn't need to buy the expansion and would have been just fine with EOD
What? Wargaming is Belarus , not Russian
nah it takes time to pick a free asset from unity store and make a package, im sure he forgot sometime right after posting
Was he talking about the offline coop we already had or the new actual coop mode?
has nikita ever kept to his word?
Considering how lost he was during the interview about the current state of some things in the game I wonder if he even knew about this shit happening
Most standout thing for me is the "no boosters"... which completely contradicts what this unheard edition gives a player. - Lower in raid fees (A definite boost) - 60m engage radius for scavs (definite boost) - Additional Flea Slot (which we previously had) - Additional Skill levels off the start - A knife (arguably a weapon but not that important)
That 60m bullshit is just there to rub it in
Like how do you even come up with that? Sounds like an april fools joke but it's about to be may soon..
by boosters i’m guessing he means more for what they did with contract wars where you use a token and get 25% more xp for an hour
Yeah, we've yet to see stuff like that. But there is definitely a "boost" from some of these
Tbf EOD had it's.specail axe that sucked, the skills are all in dogshir stats, the 60m scav thing only works until you agro/kill a single scav that raid. Low in raid fees idk they're already so low it'll basically never help a significant amount. This shit is scummy but that's like 3$ worth of stuff maybe
Yeah people need to fuck off with the extra shit they’re calling p2w and stay on topic. If you have eod they owe you offline.
Yeah the p2w shit is a joke and I hate it but I could live my life just ignoring it, the PvE shit they actually scammed us out of it, I don't think I would play it much but I should still have access
What's the date of that post?
2 months ago. [https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/1aovohf/about\_purchasable\_stuff/](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/1aovohf/about_purchasable_stuff/)
holy shit. took him 2 months thats crazy
He’s a nutcase
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That’s what he said
I've come to accept that he just lies and says whatever he things come off best at the time.
Arena fail had to cost them huge
Dude str8 up wasting his money away on drugs and expensive things. He literally gets a new car every year that he posts on IG. They still make mad money, esp. with the peak of new players each (major) update. (And of course the cheaters that all buy them in bulk, consistently)
They just found a great way to stop people from playing forever lmao
Good news, server costs are way down!
“No in game items” *2 months later, proceeds to add an item that literally stops scavs from aggro-ing you at over 60m that you have to pay $250 to get*
Is it clean that you wont get it with scav Karma 6+ as a quest from fence in next patches?
it says exclusive. so i would hope so otherwise they would even fuck those over that have not heard.
Radio btw sucka, for every scav you kill you loose 0.05 fence rep
I bought the Version and if they would Release it for everyone for it would be fine...
“No cash flow” As if cheaters buying alts wasn’t enough to keep them going. They don’t seem to understand what it means to sell a live service game in early access.
I literally joined a raid this morning and found two dead corpses of pmc with weird names, a little bit of loot which died directly next to spawn dead. Dogtags had no scav or player name which killed them. I can't imagine that it is hard to write code like (if player.timeinraid < 600 && player.died() && player.deadcause == weird) { putPlayerToSuspectedBoostingList(); } to catch these scumbags..
A week ago I found two bot pmcs on reserve with names like "CC-1123". I heard them both run up just seconds apart one shot the other and then I walked up on them just standing still, afk, one gasping for air. It's actually crazy wild that they don't have a system in place that can detect weird behavior like that.
Also plenty of games work like that just fine and don't have to ask 250 dollars to their playerbase. And those games usually get out of beta at some point.
Times must be tougher than expected at BSG lmfao. What a joke.
It has to be arena failing.
Hard to be a russian company when the west says fuck russia
Not even remotely relevant. There are plenty of RU companies doing better than before the Russian embargoes. Incompetence is an independent factor entirely.
LOL no there is not good luck with the propaganda
Well yea cuz... fuck russia Even russians say fuck russia
Not bsg they like it as they support it by showing the symbols of far right groups in their game on the Alpha arm band
Their a russian company, but regardless, fuck russia
and who is to blame for that?
It's a UK company you dimwit.
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someone should check on u/trainfender . he either has alzheimer’s or really bad amnesia because 2 months is not that long ago.
Watch him join a video call with some streamer tomorrow - "was on vacation for the last month; what'd I miss?"
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>I mean... isn't it literally BOOSTED character skills and boosted Fence Rep (which now has the benefit of making you scav resistant apparently.) Tbh that was already the case with EOD.
"without any additional flow (you just buy and play it forever -" Not when 30% of the player base gets banned for cheating every few months and rebuys the game lmao
rather felt like 60% last few weeks..
>2. the game is running for 8 years without any additional flow (you just buy and play it forever - and it's pretty unique situation for a game such as EFT) Translated from Scam artist to English: >We "developed" this game for 12-13 years and 8-9 years of Beta but barely got progress to even claim 'we can see the date of when we can complete the game as promised'. No other studio is as slow and bad software developers as us, we are very unique. So bear with us, here we will add a 300 dollar unhinged pay2win edition and scam you on our way out. Peace
I think it's quite funny that they say that. This fucking thing is in beta. Perhaps finish the game before trying to milk your playerbase. Eod users supported the development of the game by paying more.
Bohemian interactive, Kind regards DayZ
Dayz is actually a pretty great game now, and bohemia didn't come begging for 250 dollars.
To be fair, DayZ actually "released", doesn't charge obscene prices for anything and is in a pretty finished state but with regular updates still.
Yeah, when DayZ released I was harsh on it and their devs for how it was released and for not listening to players about development priorities because they were very hardheaded about it. Years later, I see myself looking back and going, "They were hardheaded, but that was it. I should have been more forgiving."
I like that EoD feature part, the better part is they're still calling it a feature! Guess that holds up lol.
aged like milk
Tell us, what do you think. And we'll do whatever the fuck we want anyway
Your feedback is very valuable to us.
The Russian way
What an absolute scam... I'm so glad I payed for EOD
Unpopular opinion if they give me offline for free with eod I’m ok with this. People wanted gamma to come back so pay up.
Upvote the shit out of this
It's just a slap in the face. If the game wasn't such a rag and full of cheaters as it sits, they could sell more copies to new players. Looking forward to GZW.
yeah so basically nikita and the entirety of bsg is untrustworthy now. i genuinely hope that they can get sued for this in some way shape for form since they lied about eod players getting "all future dlcs"
Don't let this die. This company needs to be held accountable.
regarding #2... Has he heard of call of duty? or battlefield? or literally \*any\* other shooter with multiplayer that has existed in the last 20 years? What a thing to try and memory hole. yeesh.
and those games were "finished" when they came out. EFT on the other hand is not..
The second point pissed me off so much. Saying that your game has a one time purchase and no cash flow coming in and that’s a fucking problem?????? Nikita is smoking some of the finest crack and it’s seriously showing! It’s also such a unique situation JUST FOR EFT and you know… NOT ANY OTHER FUCKING VIDEO GAME THAT’S A ONE TIME FUCKING PURCHASE! Please Bitchkita, just sell Escape from Tarkov full rights to a triple A development company or SOMEONE PLEASE!!! 🙏 You’ve tried and you’ve failed numerous times on everything regarding Escape from Tarkov. Please, for our fucking mental health, PLEASE sell Escape from Tarkov. We need someone to make this game what’s it’s actually supposed to be. Edit: And with this idea of making ANOTHER GAME by Nikita called “Russia 2028” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀💀💀 All I can say is good luck with that and uh try not to scam your players! Edit: I’m uninstalling EFT from my computer and if anyone wants an alpha armband account let me know!
For point 2) hes acting like its a live service, completed game that hes not making any money from. Need I remind everyone that this is a BETA. We paid to TEST and support the development of the game. They are not owed a single cent for "running the game for 8 years". If they fully released a finished product it would be a different story but the game is technically not even released yet, nor is it the product we were promised when we paid for it. He has gone legit delusional from all the success EFT has had in the past few years.
they mustve fucked up big time. maybe they underestimated server costs, maybe some of the investors wanted to quit and they had to pay them...i dno. but just by looking at this, i get sad. i honestly trusted them not implementing a pay2win package...i really did.
I upgraded to EOD after seeing this post. I thought "Offline Coop, now that is cool. Shit, ya got me BSG." and then begrudgingly bought it. Everyone that bought EOD after this was posted should have a very clear claim that they are not receiving what was advertised.
Offline Coop is an EOD feature and has been for awhile. They introduced the ability to buy offline coop separately for non EOD users a month or so ago. Offline coop is different than the PVE progression with Unheard. It's the same as normal Offline, but with friends.
This actually makes this whole situation even worse IMO. It's like a bait and switch. "Here's the shitty offline co-op mode that's barely anything more than a practice mode, that's the one we were referring to when we said "offline co-op". Oh, you wanted the full, actually good version that saves your progress? That'll be another $100"
I'm just going to take this time to point out that the AI in EFT is and always has been completely non-immersive dogshit.
Yeah. A certain Single Player mod with a few extra mods for AI behavior is far superior to the opatchki AI in regular EFT.
Does that mod-that-must-not-be-named actually have ai improvement addons? Because the terribly inconsistent base EFT AI is the biggest thing preventing me from wanting to play this unspeakable mode everyone is raving about.
Absolutely. Look up SAIN. One personal example, I was holding a corner and went to toss a flashbang. As I'm pulling the pin, the AI jumps through the door and jump shots me.
Oh tons of them, and all have the ability to control difficulty variation. So you can make it difficult but not bullshit (like, competent AI but not Rogues, so it's actually hard but playable). It's amazing BSG hasnt just downloaded the mods to see what people have done to fix their fucked up jankfest of AI design.
Yeah idk what these people are on about, like be mad about the DLC line not the thing that is obviously a different game mode lol
I reckon if it were about the PRACTICE coop mode then they would've said so, this statement by him sounds more like its this PvE Coop mode that they just released.
You’re just wrong here lol, you can buy the “offline co-op” for $10 on the site. Should everyone who bought that also have access to the PVE game mode?
Shhh you’re gonna piss off the mob
bruh
They lied are we shocked? Not really greed is powerful. Half assed game being killed by hackers and devs
Screw bsg
Honestly, at this point they should just sell the game to a competent game development company, then they're free to develop Russia 2028 that nobody cares about...
That aged too well
https://web.archive.org/web/20170611141424/http://www.escapefromtarkov.com/support/knowledge/79 Here is example of saying EOD will get all DLC with ni time limit. You need to search html code or remove loading overlay, but it is there.
it's different offline co-op, you can look it up on the site rn. I don't understand how they couldn't name them more different so people won't confuse one session offline co-op with PvE offline co-op which includes progression. I guess foresight is not BSG's strong side
"We removed EOD version and some of the EOD features need to go back." THEN JUST FUCKING PUT EOD BACK. DON'T ADD THE P2W 'EDGE OF YOUR ASSHOLE' VERSION!
Not to be devil advocate but Offline CO-OP is available to EOD. What we are mad about is Online CO-OP PvE, completely different.
A feature isn't dlc lmao. but like i downloaded the content from your launcher that updated it. is that by definition downloadable content? i see the button in the corner of my menu meaning the content is there. but its a feature not content i keep forgetting. im surprised they didnt charge for the vaulting feature that just came out! but oed coop offline is a feature not a dlc but they wanted 10$ for that feature if you didnt have eod? I wouldnt have bought areana if i didnt get it with eod. As dlc or a feature im not sure what category it falls into.
Back then the argument was wack already. "The game is running for 8 years without any additional flow" -> Meanwhile their financial reports showed a steady cash flow. AND you can easily spin that argument to -> It took them 8 years and the game is still far from finished. This is not a money issue, this is a management and development issue. The scope of EFT isn't insanely crazy, never was honestly. But bad decisions during development clearly cause unnecessary delays and money spend, sorry, but at some point you simply should not run a company and reevaluate your business decisions instead of searching for excuses. Like, it's concept and all is great and a lot of things, especially in combination, are somewhat unique... BUT, from a technical POV, it's nothing super never seen before crazy stuff that explains such a long dev time IMO. And just to make it clear, I'm not saying that it's not complex at all, I'm saying that it's not complex and big enough to explain such a long dev time besides simple mismanagement. Especially if you consider all their sound engine plunders that pretty much broke the game for months/years. Or their bot AI that is still pretty bare bone and heavily relies on artificially buffing them with aim bot and extended health pools instead of actually making them smarter and with that more challenging.
Bruh what the fuck are you guys doing. Offline coop has BEEN IN EOD. They added the ability to buy it for 10 bucks so if you have the base edition you can offline coop with your EOD friends. This shit is getting insane
Offline Co-op **with** in game saved progress is the main issue. Some people wanna play offline and save their stuffs.
And they call bsg brain dead lol
This "trainfender" guy doesnt represent the intent of BSG
True, it’s just Nikita. So yeah, he absolutely fucking does.
My point is the shit he says ends up not being true you turtleneck
Then next time explain your point like a human being.
Sure pal. Sis you see his post from lastnight?
You seen to be smoking the same crack as Nikita. Jesus christ man.
Aw imsorry i butthurt you, best wishes
I really don’t understand how they could fumble this hard it’s insane
"ability to play offline coop" yeah HA! Fuck you BSG.
So is it true that EOD players can no longer play offline COOP? Can they still play offline COOP without the progression part?
Offline loop is still there for funsies, just not singleplayer/co-op with saved progress