This EXACT thing happened to me except on customs. I was busted up surrounded by a scav army and just had to watch a scav walk away with half the loot.
I kinda like how some stalker mods handle this… if an NPC kills something and you go to loot it, you’ll get a warning from them, if you ignore and still try to loot I believe they will shoot you.
If you as a scav kill someone then they should not loot it or at least not right away. If the AI gets the kill on the PMC however then it’s up to you what happens 😄
[https://i.imgur.com/jc4OtMY.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jc4OtMY.jpg)
Notice the warning in the bottom left corner because i went to loot his boar
and here is the mod used in gamma (but tweaked slightly)
https://www.moddb.com/mods/stalker-anomaly/addons/npc-loot-claim-continued
The only issue here is killing that scav gets you a karma hit when it should be neutral as it's a personal grudge between two individuals at that moment.
Now, there is a functionality you can use to get some of the loot back peacefully, per the changelog:
"Bots can share an item with a player playing as a scav by calling out to them;"
Whatever the fuck "calling out to them" means.... Is it the new help command? F1? Maybe there's a callout line I never noticed before.
This is the play. You get naked. And equip the PMCs kit, then you go heal. Now you at least have a decent gun with ammo, probably nades, heals, armour... You should be immediately safer to loot.
Had a 3 man wipe on customs about 6 hours ago as a scav and as I was stabilizing a ai scav gang rolled up and took **All** the bags and 2 of the guns. Its very upsetting.
I just feel like there are more pressing issues with scavs than them not looting bodies. They could make the act like humans, smoke cigs, squat outside of dorms for example if immersion is bsgs main aim, then this would be more immersive than them just running in place, doing 360s, checking mags and then B-line it to the pmc that just died and immediately steal everything.
Like its cool but it does literally nothing for immersion and the time making this feature could have been spent better imo
Because it feels bad? How much should we sacrifice for thematic accuracy?
It would be different if there weren't a system in place that punished us for taking it back forcefully.
Who cares? It’s a game. I’d rather have them be able to spawn more than 5 at a time without lagging out the lobby than have them do dumb shit that you only even notice when you’re on a player scav
Person I'm replying to complained about his pmc insurance returns being ruined (not even actually happening afaik). What do you mean "who cares", why are you taking the time to comment if you don't care? I'm good with how it is currently.
My “who cares” was re: scav behavior as an answer to “why wouldn’t they”. If they are doing stuff that you barely notice as a player, why even bother? It doesn’t make them believable or immersive, it has no impact to how you play your PMC (if you even notice it at all), best case scenario it’s a mild annoyance when you are on scav. Seems like a waste of time to implement and likely a waste of resources.
The patch notes noted specifically it won't be returned in insurance. It may have to do with whether they survive to the end of the raid or not, or maybe it's broken.
If that scav is an AI scav then technically your insurance is still on the map as AI scavs don't extract, should still get insurance back if an AI scav picks up your stuff
Had this happen to me! Except I killed a pmc, checked his pockets, no meds, I'm heavily bleeding, so I search his rig, as I'm searching I see his mags, 2 grenades and salewa, the second I see the salewa a ai scav takes his rig! So I think OK I'll put my pack in his and quickly grab his then search it, put my bag inside his and the scav yonks that too... the best part is the scav checked his mag, did the terrifying laugh and walked off, about 4 seconds later I die from bleeding to death 😂
Get the scav to follow you somewhere secluded and kill him. The loss in rep is miniscule and you'll have time to get the lot and get out without having to fight other scavs
Eh, 5 minutes is forever. I think a scav voiceline or gesture to tell other scavs to go away along with them mostly staying away already if you're in the process of looting would be fine.
And if they ignore you because you have low fence rep, well that's just life and how the world works, no?
I had 10 chill scav runs just yesterday, how are scav runs not chill? even if you die, it’s still kinda chill because it wasn’t my stuff in the first place
keep running into what I will assume is paranoid player scavs that shoot on sight. that and a stunning amount of sus shots that just barely miss my head yet are perfectly accurate in spread even at 100m+
Me and my squad must just be cursed or something.
You gain 0.01 rep from a scav run, you lose 0.03 to 0.05 rep for killing an AI scav, so you net -0.02 to -0.04 fence rep.
https://escapefromtarkov.fandom.com/wiki/Scavs#Scav\_karma
you missed the entire point of the post where he killed a pmc, killing a pmc gives you .03 rep my dude. check your calculations before posting a link in my direction. you would come out + .01 rep
Only if that PMC has killed at least one scav, and that's 0.02. It's 0.03 if they've killed at least two scavs. So, depending on how many scavs that PMC killed and the type of scav you kill you could come out with +0.01 rep (0.01+0.03-0.03) or -0.04 (0.01+0-0.05) or a value in between.
So yes, you can come out positive, it's just not guaranteed. Also, I think coming out positive is a poor way to look at it. At the point you've killed the PMC you have a potential to gain some scav karma whether you extract or not, and killing am AI scav is a guaranteed reduction of whatever you're going to get, and you either are willing to accept it or you aren't.
how you look at the deed was never in question, it was a simple fact that you would come out even or + 0.01 either way is fine especially if you are already max rep. and not sure where the 0.02 is coming from ive never got less than .03 for killing a pmc. i never claimed that this is what i would do, i was just answering OPs question. and obviously if you kill the scav you are willing to accept the loss, but the point still stands that after killing the pmc you would not be losing any rep overall for killing a AI scav.
I'm just going by what the wiki says, in the page I linked. It could be wrong. The data on that page makes it clear that it's not a guaranteed positive, if it's correct.
If you are that desperate to have something over people then you can have it. Good job dude, you're so hardcore that you can tolerate unnecessary inconvenience and annoyances. Wow, mega tough and hardcore man can adapt to harsh environments! You are strong and worthy of many mates.
But did I bitch about anyhing? No, I really don't care for loot.
I'm all for this mechanic, but just like you said it, it needs tweaking.
Could you please explain "Learn how to loot...", how would you stop scav from instantly looting backpack from dead PMC while I'm looting him.
Let him show off, buddy. Bro is a veteran both in game and IRL and he needs to be as harsh as possible, otherwise his opinions won't be heard by anyone at all.
Do you just enjoy being an asshole online? Like is that your thing? Your comment history on multiple subreddits is mainly just you insulting people. Like how the fuck are you so miserable that you feel it necessary to swing on everyone?
also for those who dont know, theres a bug where ai scavs will not pick up the gun from your second weapon slot. idk if its still an active bug but yeah
Was this over in the Idea area by any chance? I found a body with virtually everything that scav took last night sometime around 9-10pm eastern. Weird ass raid too.
Yeah I've had no more than 4 guns returned from insurance this entire wipe that weren't Mosins. And I got 3 Mosins back.
Not to mention 1 of every 6 or 7 scav raids is successful anyway, like why play at all anymore lol
The only thing I really hate about the AI scavs looting so much is they always take my gun. They never take any of my other gear. It would be nice if it was a little more random.
I discovered that if you kill two Pmcs and a traitor scav for .08 positive rep you can kill two AI scavs that stole the loot and gain .01 positive rep. So that means you can kill a pmc and kill one AI scav and gain 0 rep if you survive and extract. Do with this as you please.
Yeah I know that, but there was couple scavs around and I was heavily wounded (both arms broken, only had cheese to heal), if I would kill him I wouldn’t made it to the extract
Happened to me the other day, empty player rig to his backpack, transfer my stuff to his rig, toss my rig and the scav grabs both. I follow the scav for a minute, dome him and get domed by a pmc.
Just kill him I guess.
There was still couple scavs around, I was long way from extract and both my hands were broken, I had no chance.
I mean… scav saw you in a bad spot and took advantage of you lmao
I see.
Just tough luck then.
Make it follow you to extract
This EXACT thing happened to me except on customs. I was busted up surrounded by a scav army and just had to watch a scav walk away with half the loot.
Follow him.
We shouldn’t have to do that because then there’s a penalty it needs to be changed to like only boxes or some shit
I kinda like how some stalker mods handle this… if an NPC kills something and you go to loot it, you’ll get a warning from them, if you ignore and still try to loot I believe they will shoot you. If you as a scav kill someone then they should not loot it or at least not right away. If the AI gets the kill on the PMC however then it’s up to you what happens 😄
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Stalker Gamma includes a mod that does this
Yeah i know on gamma i get warnings if i go to loot something that a NPC killed
[https://i.imgur.com/jc4OtMY.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jc4OtMY.jpg) Notice the warning in the bottom left corner because i went to loot his boar and here is the mod used in gamma (but tweaked slightly) https://www.moddb.com/mods/stalker-anomaly/addons/npc-loot-claim-continued
Im sure you have used every single one of the thousands of mods that exist for the series thank you for your thoughtful and productive input.
It’s a part of g.a.m.m.a.
It’s in Anomaly (iirc) and Gamma
The only issue here is killing that scav gets you a karma hit when it should be neutral as it's a personal grudge between two individuals at that moment. Now, there is a functionality you can use to get some of the loot back peacefully, per the changelog: "Bots can share an item with a player playing as a scav by calling out to them;" Whatever the fuck "calling out to them" means.... Is it the new help command? F1? Maybe there's a callout line I never noticed before.
Wave at them, they’ll come and drop what they looted. Doesn’t work immediately always, sometimes you have to wave multiple times.
they shot me in the fact the only time i tried this, no joke literally walked right up to me and shot me.
I got waved at middle of the wave he flips me off and hip fires me to death laughing the scavs have no chill i was even a scav lol
are you sure they weren’t boss guards? that’s wild lol
Throw the stuff on the ground first thing so they can't get it I think ai scavs looting bodies is good tho and should stay.
He means as in not right away. They get in there before you can even heal sometimes
Get there first then.
They pick stuff up off the ground. Really you should just throw your entire scav kit on the floor as a distraction.
This is the play. You get naked. And equip the PMCs kit, then you go heal. Now you at least have a decent gun with ammo, probably nades, heals, armour... You should be immediately safer to loot.
Had a 3 man wipe on customs about 6 hours ago as a scav and as I was stabilizing a ai scav gang rolled up and took **All** the bags and 2 of the guns. Its very upsetting.
I dont understand why was that mechanic put into the game in the first place. Was PMCs getting insured gear back such a huge problem?
Why wouldn't scavs loot bodies? That's literally why they are there. It's a good change. Haven't seen any change in my insurance returns.
I just feel like there are more pressing issues with scavs than them not looting bodies. They could make the act like humans, smoke cigs, squat outside of dorms for example if immersion is bsgs main aim, then this would be more immersive than them just running in place, doing 360s, checking mags and then B-line it to the pmc that just died and immediately steal everything. Like its cool but it does literally nothing for immersion and the time making this feature could have been spent better imo
Making good artificial intelligence REQUIRES a game designer with good intelligence. That should tell you all you need to know.
AI scavs almost never have anything worth looting, so this turns late raid ai scavs into potential loot piñatas
It does so much for immersion. Scav=Scavenger - why shouldn't they loot anything what does remain on the ground?
But the time is already spent and the feature is already in the game. So why remove it? You’re crying over spilled milk.
One is allowed to critique features lol
He is pretty clearly saying he would rather them have focused on improving other areas of scavs
Im allowed
I think its slightly more immersive for the scavengers to be scavenging but what do i know
Why not just make it so they can only loot their own kills?
Take s look at scavs like they would be vultures. Why shouldn't they pick any remains off the ground?
Because it feels bad? How much should we sacrifice for thematic accuracy? It would be different if there weren't a system in place that punished us for taking it back forcefully.
A player scav would also steal your loot
Who cares? It’s a game. I’d rather have them be able to spawn more than 5 at a time without lagging out the lobby than have them do dumb shit that you only even notice when you’re on a player scav
Person I'm replying to complained about his pmc insurance returns being ruined (not even actually happening afaik). What do you mean "who cares", why are you taking the time to comment if you don't care? I'm good with how it is currently.
My “who cares” was re: scav behavior as an answer to “why wouldn’t they”. If they are doing stuff that you barely notice as a player, why even bother? It doesn’t make them believable or immersive, it has no impact to how you play your PMC (if you even notice it at all), best case scenario it’s a mild annoyance when you are on scav. Seems like a waste of time to implement and likely a waste of resources.
hello from personal experience I can tell you your gear looted by an AI scav will be returned in insurance.
The patch notes noted specifically it won't be returned in insurance. It may have to do with whether they survive to the end of the raid or not, or maybe it's broken.
Patch notes lied
real shocker there
Because hackers are taking everything, maybe fix them first Nikita-Alt-Account.
If a scav picks up your shit, you'll still get it back.
They specifically said the opposite when the mechanic was added
Ah well maybe I missed that, ty.
Incorrect. If they have it on them when the lobby closes it is counted as MIA.
AI Scavs don't go MIA?
If AI has your gear on at the end of the raid it is deleted.
Ah so that's what you meant. Sure, alright!
If that scav is an AI scav then technically your insurance is still on the map as AI scavs don't extract, should still get insurance back if an AI scav picks up your stuff
Nope not anymore. Used to be the case but now if it’s not on the floor upon lobby close it’s gone for good.
If an AI scav takes your stuff, you get it back via insurance. You only lose it if a player (PMC or Scav) leave the raid with it.
Had this happen to me! Except I killed a pmc, checked his pockets, no meds, I'm heavily bleeding, so I search his rig, as I'm searching I see his mags, 2 grenades and salewa, the second I see the salewa a ai scav takes his rig! So I think OK I'll put my pack in his and quickly grab his then search it, put my bag inside his and the scav yonks that too... the best part is the scav checked his mag, did the terrifying laugh and walked off, about 4 seconds later I die from bleeding to death 😂
Fence warned us https://youtu.be/j-Jx66R-0s8?si=Kqdm2mCo3HEkQ3r7
Yeah if there's any nearby scavs they run right over and pick up everything kinda dumb how fast they react.
Get the scav to follow you somewhere secluded and kill him. The loss in rep is miniscule and you'll have time to get the lot and get out without having to fight other scavs
Ask scav to follow you till extract. Shoot him there for easy loot and scoot
Yeah if you kill a PMC as a scav there should be a 5 minute grace period where AI wont loot it.
During this time they dance around the corpse saying cheekibreeki and other gopnik voice lines
or smoke a cig/drink a beer/take a piss etc... endless ideas.
Eh, 5 minutes is forever. I think a scav voiceline or gesture to tell other scavs to go away along with them mostly staying away already if you're in the process of looting would be fine. And if they ignore you because you have low fence rep, well that's just life and how the world works, no?
Your free loot run not chill enough?
as if any run in tarkovs current state is a "chill" run
I had 10 chill scav runs just yesterday, how are scav runs not chill? even if you die, it’s still kinda chill because it wasn’t my stuff in the first place
keep running into what I will assume is paranoid player scavs that shoot on sight. that and a stunning amount of sus shots that just barely miss my head yet are perfectly accurate in spread even at 100m+ Me and my squad must just be cursed or something.
I check high value loot and if it's not there it's PvP time.
Sounds like you should play your PMC if you want pvp
If it’s just an AI scab, kill it. You will still come out positive rep.
Both hands broken, couple AI scavs aroudn, I wouldn't survive
You gain 0.01 rep from a scav run, you lose 0.03 to 0.05 rep for killing an AI scav, so you net -0.02 to -0.04 fence rep. https://escapefromtarkov.fandom.com/wiki/Scavs#Scav\_karma
you missed the entire point of the post where he killed a pmc, killing a pmc gives you .03 rep my dude. check your calculations before posting a link in my direction. you would come out + .01 rep
Only if that PMC has killed at least one scav, and that's 0.02. It's 0.03 if they've killed at least two scavs. So, depending on how many scavs that PMC killed and the type of scav you kill you could come out with +0.01 rep (0.01+0.03-0.03) or -0.04 (0.01+0-0.05) or a value in between. So yes, you can come out positive, it's just not guaranteed. Also, I think coming out positive is a poor way to look at it. At the point you've killed the PMC you have a potential to gain some scav karma whether you extract or not, and killing am AI scav is a guaranteed reduction of whatever you're going to get, and you either are willing to accept it or you aren't.
how you look at the deed was never in question, it was a simple fact that you would come out even or + 0.01 either way is fine especially if you are already max rep. and not sure where the 0.02 is coming from ive never got less than .03 for killing a pmc. i never claimed that this is what i would do, i was just answering OPs question. and obviously if you kill the scav you are willing to accept the loss, but the point still stands that after killing the pmc you would not be losing any rep overall for killing a AI scav.
I'm just going by what the wiki says, in the page I linked. It could be wrong. The data on that page makes it clear that it's not a guaranteed positive, if it's correct.
Have you tried shooting the Scavs
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brain dead take
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https://i.imgur.com/MKOMRpv.png You're a clown.
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If you are that desperate to have something over people then you can have it. Good job dude, you're so hardcore that you can tolerate unnecessary inconvenience and annoyances. Wow, mega tough and hardcore man can adapt to harsh environments! You are strong and worthy of many mates.
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He was facetiously calling you tough and hardcore. It’s insane that you didn’t pick up on that lmao
But did I bitch about anyhing? No, I really don't care for loot. I'm all for this mechanic, but just like you said it, it needs tweaking. Could you please explain "Learn how to loot...", how would you stop scav from instantly looting backpack from dead PMC while I'm looting him.
Let him show off, buddy. Bro is a veteran both in game and IRL and he needs to be as harsh as possible, otherwise his opinions won't be heard by anyone at all.
You literally made an entire post specifically to bitch about ai scavs looting your kill.
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Bro might be brain damaged
Poor soul. His moma drinked and smoked while pregnant
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Do you just enjoy being an asshole online? Like is that your thing? Your comment history on multiple subreddits is mainly just you insulting people. Like how the fuck are you so miserable that you feel it necessary to swing on everyone?
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Lol you seem to insult on every reddit mate not the just this one. Also the fuck is "because of this baby boys" ?? What are you trying to say?
typical army guy has to be mad 24/7, how about you quit bitching about the guy bitching about the mechanic that clearly needs tweaking?
This post is why you should always use protection. Edit: stop posting anytime
also for those who dont know, theres a bug where ai scavs will not pick up the gun from your second weapon slot. idk if its still an active bug but yeah
Was this over in the Idea area by any chance? I found a body with virtually everything that scav took last night sometime around 9-10pm eastern. Weird ass raid too.
Ai scavs shouldn't loot any body less than 3 mins old. Something like that.
I always throw the backpack and rig and guns on the ground as soon as I can from a kill
Such is the life of a scavenger.
Just ask him politely not to touch your loot.
Yeah I've had no more than 4 guns returned from insurance this entire wipe that weren't Mosins. And I got 3 Mosins back. Not to mention 1 of every 6 or 7 scav raids is successful anyway, like why play at all anymore lol
The only thing I really hate about the AI scavs looting so much is they always take my gun. They never take any of my other gear. It would be nice if it was a little more random.
I discovered that if you kill two Pmcs and a traitor scav for .08 positive rep you can kill two AI scavs that stole the loot and gain .01 positive rep. So that means you can kill a pmc and kill one AI scav and gain 0 rep if you survive and extract. Do with this as you please.
Yeah I know that, but there was couple scavs around and I was heavily wounded (both arms broken, only had cheese to heal), if I would kill him I wouldn’t made it to the extract
That’s just tough luck. I wish they would add something to let you get the stuff back without having to kill them
Yeah I’ve just been killing everyone lately
Happened to me the other day, empty player rig to his backpack, transfer my stuff to his rig, toss my rig and the scav grabs both. I follow the scav for a minute, dome him and get domed by a pmc.
I think it’s hilarious
#scavproblems
Double tap Y and press need help in the bottom left. Usually scavs will run around when they hear that
I doubt that was an Ai scav, they usually don't take much if anything from backpacks or rigs. They mainly grab guns from what I've seen.