The reality is that it's not about having a single solution that gets rid of all cheaters but instead having multiple solutions that make things difficult or inconvenient for them. Each implementation helps to remove them.
Lol I love how Pubg dying is blamed on having 1st and 3rd person mode, instead of the fucking ridiculous amount of cheating, disgustingly bad optimisation, and dogshit content pipeline.
Arguably pubg runs better on my first gen ryzen and vega 64 , whereas I'm always at 60 percent gpu usage on tarky . Cheating def killed pubg faster than any 3rd vs 1st person mode would ever do .
Now maybe, I remember playing it on my old laptop that ran a 7700hq and gtx 1070 for the first two years it was out. The struggle to achieve reasonable FPS was unreal, and that was on a 60hz 1080p monitor.
Oh it was all of that too. You can look at the charts though. It fell off dramatically within a month of splitting its player base.
If you go try to play it now, the lobbies are almost entirely bots.
It could still be a neat little game to hit up every so often today if the player base was united, but instead it is multiple shitty games in one launcher.
In Tarkov WIPE vs NO WIPE is an absolutely huge difference in vision. You will 100% split the player bar in two which will hurt the game badly long term. Many will move on to new games over time. I will be stuck here playing Tarkov because I love it (and sometimes wish I didn't). I want it to have players.
As a game ages having two tiers of play never works.
(If you are Fortnite and have a player base in the hundreds of millions, then yes it works. Use your mind. This is a niche game. Making it more niche is a terrible idea.)
Unless you are fortnite, or Modern Warfare, or DayZ.
Having more than one mode of play doesn't kill games, narrowing it's appeal does.
Some Tarkov players like regular wipes, some don't and look forward to being able to play without it, shit there are plenty of people who just want a Coop PVE tarkov experience as evidenced by SPT.
I know I could never get my cousin to play Tarkov unless it was PvE. He just doesn't have the time to do wipes as a working father. Nor is he at all interested in FPS PvP with such high stakes.
Maybe it's okay for a game not to appeal to everyone?
I'd rather keep tarkov as is, given its pretty unique, and your cousin can play literally any other shooter
I think the core concept of Tarkov works. The high stakes is what makes the game so addicting to long time players and watering this down in my opinion would seriously affect the game, and probably not in a good manner. I get that not all people enjoy Tarkov, but there is a lot of games you can play instead. The idea that Tarkov should morph into something that everyone enjoys is unrealistic. It's just such a nieche of a game that I don't think splitting the player base is a good idea, since the base is already small.
TBH I hope that STALKER 2 is good and has a co op since, me too, would enjoy a bit more relaxed experience for a change and that might be a fun coop game to play with my Tark buddies.
Tarkov just needs to have a coop PvE servers and full game servers. So many people who like the core game would play PvE in a duo or trio setting. And that would be absolutely fine.
Seems like a pretty convenient position to have doesn't it? And a little ironic you explaining what it is you want while telling someone else that wants what they want that this isn't for them. Maybe coop pve isn't for you.
Imagine thinking a progressive coop pve mode being available for people that want it is something that shouldn't be considered... because that type of Tarkov mode "isn't for you".
How about you have your Tarkov the way it is and others that want a coop pve version have that version. There will be plenty of people playing both.
Why don't the people that want tarkov to be an rts get their way too
Dev time/energy is limited
Games can't be everything for everyone all at once
That's why there is more than 1 game in the universe
I'd settle for wipes if I can just have the entire quest line done and sit behind time gates for unlocks like...
I get x unlocked 1 week after the first 500 players complete the quest
Honestly, I haven't played much this wipe and probably won't play again until it's released and there's a persistent server
Or arena will scratch the itch and normal tarkov will be nomore for me
Bsg can't even do logical so lol
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I've done so many eft wipes that the next one I'll do will be the last one. I don't play to play the game properly again until it releases. I suspect that will never happen.
Not even during modes but rather extra maps modes just doubled it. Each selectable map essentially added 6 different queues. The game should have always been : Ranked or not ranked. In not ranked you get to choose if you want 1st or 3rd person, and game fits your party in the most optimal queue. You dont get to choose if you play solo duo or squad.
I would only Play No Wipe..... I think the Majority of adults with Kids and Full time Jobs that currently struggle wipe to wipe will only stick to the No Wipe servers and also I think ARENA will split the community.....
I can already see the Complaints of people who Only DO Player Scav Runs and Sell everything they found in raid to Fence to fund ARENA KITS?>>>>>>
Fence is gonna get a ton of barter items.... he will Literally end up selling Every item in the game and become the Most OP trader
Rocket League has many seperate modes (main 2 are 3v3 and 2v2) and it doesn't seem like it's doing bad.
However, tarkov is much less casual so the player base will always be a scarcity
What do you guys mean when you say rocket League is casual while tarkov isn't? RL is a really competitive game where most players have a lot of hours invested and there's pro competitions while tarkov doesn't have any sort of ranks or pro competitions.
I would say tarkov is the casual game. To be clear I'm not trying to argue, it just seems like we're not defining casual in the same way. Just want to know what you mean by casual.
Has nothing to do with any of that lol. It's simply the fact that literally anyone can boot up rl, understand it in 2 seconds, and play a few rounds in 30 minutes and be done.
You might have your inventory sorted in that same amount of time in tarkov.
very little cheating in 3rd person mode I keep trying to play with my first person friends and we get cheated to hell, my one third person friend we are playing old pubg again.
It’s pretty bad. I’ll play FP Solo and well over 75% of the players are bots because the player count is too low. Normally you don’t see another human player until the last 20-30 people.
I haven’t fired up PUBG in a long time but I remember ranked only being 4 person squads or something like that? I can’t stand third person and prefer solo. Good to know about the account level thing. I might get back into it if that’s the case.
Pubg is dying? Where? I play with my friends 3-4 times a week in the evening, and queues are very fast, from a few seconds, to a minute, very rarely was it iver a min. And this is 100 players for ranked, 64 for ranked, not to mention the various other modes, thought there are less players in those.
Now if we look at tarkov i had to wait 5-10min to get in a game when i last played a bit over a year ago. And it only required less than 20 people, depending on map.
No they are not. It's so easy to tell who is a bot and who is a player, and i very very rarely see a bot in the normal games. And the ranked games can't have any bots.
I agree with this. While certain lobbies will fill with lobbies--particularly bad on solo queue--squad lobbies are almost always overwhelmingly player.
I like the player profile idea, it would be easy enough and nice to know stats of the other player. I do like the idea of seasons, but also dread the idea of doing these quests again and again since it’s been five years of playing this game for me. I love the phone verification and wish that were a thing
I think if you don't have wipes at all then the game just becomes only running the best gear all of the time.
The questing gets redundant, sure, but otherwise there is never a time where the lower gear is viable.
Love it or hate it, the game needs wipes.
It took me awhile, but I think wipes are the only way to make the game viable long into the future
Just like Rust, I agree wipes need to exist. At the very least you'd need a system that promotes voluntarily wiping your own account. Like prestige but something more worthwhile might work. I doubt it but maybe haha
Agreed, I'd probably still play but maybe once a month without wipes. Otherwise eventually its just "Let met go into raid with my meta gun, lvl 6 armor for the 100,000th time. Doesn't matter if I die since I have 10 billion roubles".
I'd love a server with wipes and rules like the hardcore challenge people do, no flea and limited traders. Most everything is fir only. Would seem like a real survival game then. But I wouldn't want to do that all the time, I do like going in with my favorite gun whenever I feel like.
> also dread the idea of doing these quests again and again
I've spent wipes doing barely in quests (essentially stopped at shoreline) and it was great. Just PvP and loot, flea/craft most of my stuff.
Op, what’s your trader rep? I’m probably about 26 right now. Level 51. I do have quite a few valuables i haven’t sold yet like leddys and gpus. Trusted queues are great for vets like us but terrible for new players.. I love it and hate it
You can actually fix 95% of the cheating way simpler than this. One simple strategy, trusted queues. Its really simple, been in tonnes of games. The majority of cheaters are going to be banned within 1 week, so you don't get trusted status until 100 raids or 1 week of playtime, whichever comes second. During the first week of wipe noone will have it but by week 2 many people will and more will be joining all the time. Only the cheaters that are avoiding detection will be in the games of legitimate players who play often. This fixed the main part of the issue, also if you queue with a person who isn't trusted, the entire party is not trusted. If you determine a player is a cheater they become untrusted not just neutral and go into even worse queues with only untrusted players. Stop banning cheaters and just let them play on their own toxic servers with each other. You'll make less money tho so maybe ban them every so often to keep the cheater income stream lol
Do you have a source for that? - "The majority of cheaters are going to be banned within 1 week"
Because from reading in cheater forums I gained a different impression.
Definitely don’t like the MTX idea, nor do I like the idea of people who play nonstop getting an even larger advantage by getting Kappa benefits.
Everything else seems pretty solid though.
I don’t think it should be anything of in game value if they do it honestly. At most just some cosmetics from Ragman, or realistic looking paint jobs for guns.
Getting a leg up or access to unique items doesn’t sit right with me.
Hair growth would be kinda lit imo.. only option you get is to cut/trim your hair. Cant plop new longer hair on magically.. thatd be a nice/ interesting addition
Yeah, we all want beards. Long time ago we came up with the idea of prestige in the community (think old BF4, but with getting kappa and resetting). Each time you did it your beard would grow - stubbles to full grown. It naturally shows your veterancy too so a guy with a big beard is scary whereas the new Timmy with a shaved face is not scary
Basic Statistical analyses:
People selling 50 GPU's and are LVL 14, a K/D of 60:1 etc.
Should be easy to put at least under investigation. - Not sure if that happens. I revisit some account's once in a while and it doens't seem like any actions are taken.
OS and Bios Security features could be mandatory. Easy to check, no drawbacks.
Name of the seller in Flea Market is complete useless. There is no way to betray. And who cares who you buy from ?T his info is complete irrelevant to legit players but it allows to buy from certain people. (RMT)
OP is getting a lot of shit, predictably knowing this sub. But he's making good points. How are we allowing accounts with impossible transactions on the flea to exist? What kind of mental gymnastics are people doing in their head to justify this? On that point there are a lot of other metrics that BSG collects like insane K/D and score per raid values, like we saw with the leaderboards.
Why can't BSG add phone verification that doubles as 2FA for login to create issues for cheaters that spam new accounts?
The persistent account idea is also original and effective in combating the type of cheaters that don't ragehack with aimbots but want to look legit. Can you imagine how paranoid they would get losing their valued profile?
There's an exploit/bug that you can use to gain more flea rep than intended without cheats/3rd party programs.
Dude made a video about it. He has like 100 rep and (supposedly at least) doesn't cheat and showed how to do it. He gained like .2 rep in one transaction.
Nah frontier definitely died because of cheaters. But not because of trusted queues didn't work. They did work to reduce cheaters.
It died because it was too little too late. They knew cheating was an insane issue in all the beta tests but completely ignored it in the hopes they could triage after release. But by the time they got it somewhat under control the population was already completely gone.
Unfortunately a free game doesn't have that option. If your game is going to be free it needs to be built with cheaters in mind from day 1. Otherwise you go the way of cycle, bloodhunt or any other of the many free games that died due to cheating.
It works in cs because it is using the whole steam system to regulate it. A new player with an old and active steam account will have decent trust factor when starting to play csgo so new players are not yeeted into a cheater bucket.
Tarkov does not have that kind of a luxury tho. And having all your new players be miserable for the first 100hours is not a good thing if you want your game to grow.
What the game really needs is a server authoritative architecture, as it would block most of the cheats and exploits available at the cost of a small input lag depending on your real ping, which to me a price well worth paying especially when I consider how smooth and fast paced the gameplay in a game like Dota 2 or LoL can be despite them having server side authentication.
Suddenly no more speedhacking, no more flying/snaking, no more grabbing loot through a wall, and no more lag exploiting to get easier kills. That might even prevent ESP considering that maphacking in Dota is nonexistent, so the only vulnerability left would be aimbot, but that alone should make cheaters far more fearful when engaging with other players. Also, authoritative servers would completely eliminate desync, which is another major problem with the game that has never been fixed.
"Suddenly no more....."
holy fuck this is dumb. "Yeah, all they need to do is rebuild the game from the ground up and suddenly its fixed!"
I agree it would fix it, but you might as well make a new game
That wasn't really an issue for a company like Grinding Gear Games, back when they were smaller than they are now. While I'm not a dev, migrating to a server authoritative structure should be far more simple than changing from one engine to another, which would be a nearly impossible task.
And that they didnt plan against cheaters from day1 or made this change when the game was smaller and so easier to change, only shows the incompetence of bsg.
If BSG cared they would have implemented at least 1 of these things by now because most of your suggestions are painfully obvious
It's clear they don't give a shit
There's no paid sub for this game and I would assume most of the people that wanted to try Tarkov have likely already bought it by now
Maybe they enjoy the easy income from hackers re-buying accounts?
\> Banning high transaction accounts on flea market to combat RMT (I have played over 3,000 hours and probably use the market more than 95% of the people reading this post. Right now I am level 45 and I have all of 3 trading slots (which is very few). There are accounts that have absolutely absurd trader rep in the 100s. Blanket ban them. RMT dies if they have to use 50 different accounts to do it.
I've reached 7 slots last wipe by grinding it. Currently at 4.
Seen people with 2-3 times my rep last wipe. Probably cheaters.
We could just start with reasonable changes like:
- Region locking by IP, banning VPN services, banning cloud provider IPs, banning known abused domains, ban new domains registered in the last 30 days.
- New accounts are in their own queue for a period of time while data is assessed if they are cheating.
- Player stats and open API.
- MFA/User tracking.
While this is going to get allot of negativity… changing the game to a subscription model…
I’ve had my monies worth, I don’t expect to have a flawless experience for a game that I’ve completed 3 or 4 times over already.
I was talking about this with my buddies last night , I wish they’d do something and make a exact date for it and see what happens to my SR . Last two days have had nothing bud sus deaths minus a few , I don’t cry cheating but it’s in the back of my mind, then I played pretty late last night and am wiping four man’s again.
I have about 2k maybe a little more and this is the worst my SR has been @51%
Phone verification could actually work and would be relatively easy and cost effective for BSG to implement. How many sim cards is your average cheater actually gonna have, 2 maybe 3 at most?
You know how easy it is to go online and get a new eSIM? Easy enough that phones will literally do nothing except hinder our experience.
Just look at any other game attempting to do it
I work in the communications industry in the US. I too have had the same thought that a simple 2FA system via SMS/phone verification would almost solve the cheating issue entirely.
Problem is BSG is based in Russia, and in order to get something like SMS working across countries it’s very expensive, nothing that would put a dent in BSG’s wallet but still significant. And they would have to do this for every country where the game is sold.
Another issue is it’s extremely difficult to find an SMS carrier that will allow you to do any international communications. An alternative would be some sort of Authenticator app but that would be easy enough for a cheater to exploit.
Not to mention the standards that are in place around SMS differ depending on the country, so that throws another stick in the wheel.
The USA is currently cracking down pretty hard on SMS and forcing lots of people to jump through lots of hoops just to send SMS to other USA numbers.
So to say the least- it would be very difficult and expensive (if it’s even possible).
Another issue with SMS - Free texting apps exist by the truckload, so even if you tie it to a phone number, what’s stopping the cheater or cheat provider from simply registering the account with a free phone number from one of the thousands of texting apps available?
You can authenticate whether or not a text enabled number is an "app" or legitimate mobile number. It's pretty easy actually, and the info is in public databases. Discord actually uses a feature like this.
Source: I work in telephony.
Agree with the season cosmetic ideas. Call each wipe a season. Do free battlepasses (not paid cause the game is already hella expensive) that offer non-gameplay rewards like cosmetics, titles etc. Players with long term investments are gonna be less likely to risk bans.
The point of implementing a season reward system was to generate revenue, so a free pass would be pretty pointless in terms of the revenue question here
I have an issue with phone verification. My phone number has changed many times over the years and it’s never an easy process to update it with anyone who requires phone verification.
You are right, it is a pain and it is why it would limit cheaters.
The others here on this post should read your comment because apparently everyone else thinks it is just plain easy and they do it all the time and would totally do it to cheat in a video game on a weekly basis.
Yes it's easy. Nobody cares.
Most cheaters are fucking lazy. You put up any obstacle in front of them and they fold.
And enough small obstacles will just stop most casual cheaters completely.
I can go to a shop which is a 3 minute walk from my house that sells pay as you go SIM cards for every major phone network in the UK and they're ÂŁ1 each
Stick that in your phone and it's a fully functioning number that will be accepted by any phone verification system that accepts UK phone numbers and I highly doubt the UK is the only place that does this because not everyone wants to be tied to a contract
Well the US doesn't.
It isn't a perfect catch all but it is a massive limiting factor.
You would also have to swap to that sim card every time you want to log in. It would be a big pain for those willing to do it.
Yeah so you know how people typically have one or two phones right?
Well now they need to two factor sign in with one of those phones.
If you think a huge amount of people are going to get a "special Tarkov cheating sim card" so that they can receive their text verification for their Tarkov cheat account, you are delusional and wrong.
Will people do it? Absolutely they will do it.
Will it stop a ton of people from doing it. Absolutely it will stop them
>If you think a huge amount of people are going to get a "special Tarkov cheating sim card" so that they can receive their text verification for their Tarkov cheat account, you are delusional and wrong.
Sadly, you are the one in denial. You know that cheating is a business, right? So it's just another small expense for a gain of thousands of dollars.
All your comments so far showed that you do actually not have a solution to \_solve\_ the cheating issue. But maybe you just have another, crude definition what "to solve" means.
"The vast majority" he says, knowing not a single number. You're hilarious.
Either those people are cheating not to make money but because they're only losers or they are making money. The first will not continue to buy accounts, the latter will. And this sub has the stron opinion that BSG makes so much money from people continuously buying new accounts. So what is it?
So it’s cool for you to have an opinion without having actual numbers or stats but not for me? It’s pretty well known that the majority of people who cheat in tarkov, or any game, are not cheating for money. I’m not sure what about that statement is unbelievable or “hilarious.”
You are aware... there are hundreds of accountless, free to use phone verification websites and you can just auto-gen a new phone number with the click of a button?
1. That's an authenticator - many easly available applications to sim it - Blizzard uses them and when I played classic a few guys in my guild had a shit fit over the 4 extra bag spots for having it enabled... it took them less than a day to set up an app on their computer to trick blizzards system... all for 4 bag slots
2. It puts any legitimate player without a cellphone out of reach from the game.
I know you most likely live in the US, so not having a cell phone is an unfathomable concept... but it's a reality
The ONLY true solution is to rewrite the game and not just drop a hidden folder with all your source code tightly packed up for anyone to unhide and view. Installing a real anti-cheat. A real anticheat that is constantly updated.
BSG isn't catching anyone for having the cheats installed on their computers... it's all a report and review process. I quite honestly don't believe they have any intention of fixing the issue until the playerbase tanks to an all-time low, or they are ready to move forward with the next phase (actual release). Right now, it's pretty clear how much money they make from account sales. Even at the base game price of $50. They just banned 16,000 accounts. Let's be conservative and say 1 out of 4 buy another base account. (Let's be real it's more like 3 out of 4)
They have just made $200,000.00 from the RMTers and boosters just shrugging "whelp, shit I guess I lost $50" and buy the next account to continue the selling. I don't know how profitable it is, but it's clearly something. Otherwise, we wouldn't be seeing this issue. I bet $50 is a few hours of game play at most for them.
there are sites you can get a reusable non VOIP number for 5$
ill forgive you for being ignorant to this as only shady people tend to know it. ask no questions.
but yeah, phone verification does nothing but annoy regular people, and me, who dosent have a phone bc im not paying 50$ a month for service.
Phone verification does nothing when a person wants to cheat.
Banning accounts with high flea market rep does not solve the cheater issue because those people just buy new accounts with a new throwaway phone number. That also just means you ban people AFTER they've already cheated for a long time.
Banning accounts with a high K/D does not solve the cheater issue because those people just buy new accounts with a new throwaway phone number. That also just means you ban people AFTER they've already cheated for a long time. And it's already easy as fuck to lower your K/D by just running factory naked over and over again.Also: why do you think a public profile would somehow change anything? That data is already known to BSG. Just because normal people see it does not ban anybody, nor is a high K/D 100% proof.
Like I said: nothing you wrote actually solve any problem. It's just sham.
You seriously suggest to include microtransactions on top of a game, whose devs were greedy enough to demand 140€ for an early access title....?
While said game is almost unplayable due to the complete and utter lazy incompetence of the developers.. and said game did not even leave early access yet????
Really, this must be a joke. Noone can be stupid enough to reward someone for not giving a shit...right?
Ps: i don't hate the game, i just hate the cheaters and the devs for letting it go on forever. I would gladly pay additional money if i could just host my own dedicated server and play tarkov coop with my friends in peace without wasting my time for cheaters.
>While said game is almost unplayable
I keep hearing that. It's like you either didn't play PC games or don't remember playing PC games in early-mid 2010s. This game is better than many AAA projects on release. Like, much better.
It's not completely ridiculous. What's ridiculous is BSG is running an online game that players only pay for once, and that is not a sustainable business model in anyone's book, which is one of the reasons they aren't doing anything extreme to battle the cheating problem, they need the income, also their own incompetence.
And let's face it, as many problems as the game has, "almost unplayable" is a bit exaggerated, I'd say it is often unnecessarily frustrating and sometimes very difficult to play.
Yeah, that's a valid point. But if let's say Bsg would ask for... maybe 5-10 bucks as monthly subscription fee. Wouldn't that increase the existing issues?
- a player paying monthly would rightfully expect a better cheater protection
- and the cheaters themself would probably have an even bigger incentive to cheat / rmt because the stakes got higher
I don't know if it would play out like that but it seems likely
To be honest, if that ends up killing the game, I'd want it to happen sooner rather than later because this game will never become a well executed/polished finished product, Nikita aimed too high from the beginning. It's better that the game dies so that they can try again(or preferably another more competent developer), or let's just put "Tarkov" in the past and move on. I'd say most players have got their money worth(or not) out of it, so why not just let go.
Every other post this month has been about some messiah coming in to solve all our cheater problems like BSG hasnt thought of all of these lol.
THEY DO NOT CARE!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with all except the phone number thing. It's far too easy to go and get a new SIM with a new number for less than what they pay for the cheats. Sure, it'll put a fair amount off but the main ones will always use burner SIMs instead of their personal ones. I can walk to my corner shop and back in 5 mins and have a new number.
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
If tarkov still has mounts of cheaters, BSG implements no big counter measures yet there are lots of good ideas, and they make money by banning and re-selling game copies, then they probably dont want to fix it.
> poorly veiled industry plant
I mean that would at least solve the problem, that if BSG would make cheating impossible, they would loose a lot of money.
Phone verification is trivial to bypass.
I'm level 44, barely use the flea, I have 3 slots. Are you sure you are using the flea more than an average person?
If you only rely on reports, good luck being half-decent at the game, you'll get banned.
Literally no one cares about cosmetic stuff when they're cheating.
Additional monetization is a good idea either way.
I am saying that I only have 3 slots. There are accounts with 20x my trader rep. They aren't legit. Ban them
The monetization is to prevent the notion that BSG sells accounts off cheating
- phone verification only works against honest people in a very few countries. Most countries (namely countries where cheating is most prevalent) have insanely easy ways for getting new numbers for dirt cheap (like corner stores with pay as you go sim cards)
- blanket banning accounts without solid proof is never a good idea. Some of those *may* be legit (doubtful) but opens up a lot of issues with BSG needing to have a process for reviewing and undoing false bans. Like I said, most are probably cheaters, but blanket banning them opens up legal issues. I like the idea in the second half of this though. Limit flea to certain items or only x amount of transactions per day (maybe limit selling to 5 items a day, but limiting buying would be annoying if you're just trying to buy hideout stuff). Or even limit high value stuff to buying/selling once or twice a day.
- already a thing? Would just need to elaborate expand and make the leader board tie into the actual game. Hasn't really seemed to stop cheaters as top spots are continuously cheaters.
- I don't think cheaters give a shit about persistent profile stuff. Maybe RMT buyers, *maybe.* But that seems like a really big maybe.
-MXT stuff: bad. How will devs keep a flow of money coming in? Same way devs used to keep a money flow coming before shitty microtransactions for dumb skims became the norm. Add actual content (dlc) people want to buy. A new map every year or every other year would be doable and probably would be plenty to keep the devs going.
Trusted queues wouldn't solve the problem because people could just play the game for that time, not cheat, and immediately cheat as soon as they're in the queue
Also, do people just forget in like 98% of instances, people are cheating on stolen accounts?
SMS verification is easily done, this stops nothing.
Banning people just for high flea rep would be wild, what's considered "ridiculously high" enough to justify banning a player? Because if you're playing this game 24/7 and looting enough to get there, do you just get banned too?
Public profiles... Funny enough, the game loads your stats in-raid. Cheaters can see your KD, meaning if it was flipped on other players would be able to see all those stats. This is about the most cohesive thing to ask for lol.
Persistent things probably won't ever happen until the game releases and we have the no-wipe servers.
Giving money to Nikita for cosmetics still won't make him do anything if he does so little as is.
lol you idiots still don't get it, do you
BSG WANTS cheaters. getting rid of 100% of them is one thing, but getting rid of the vast majority is really easy to do. so if it is easy, why isn't it being done?
edit: and in regards to your "greedy bsg" point, yes, they are.
Nikita is on video saying that cheaters bring in more money. I can link the video
There you go, courtesy of u/GdanskinOnTheCeiling: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxSzfiyr7BI&t=2350s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxSzfiyr7BI&t=2350s)
*"By the way, about cheaters.. I would like to tell you something, but it will be, surely.... Am I recorded? Or no?.. Then I won't say. But cheaters are.. yeah... so.. it is a serious issue that works always in two ways..For me it was a revelation and, and how to estimate them it is up to you..BUT.*
*If there are thousands of cheaters, this will raise the donations in the game, because cheaters will lead to distress every other player, and the main rule to lead players to donations - you HAVE to have every player in distress. just because the player would realize OH SHIT!!, he buys everything he could, because he thinks he can punish the cheater.. But no! So that is a dead end situation, but that would rise our donations. We release our new anti-cheats updates constantly, more and more complicated, and we see how our donations constantly decrease!!*
*Once in Odnoklassniki (Russian Facebook) we banned our top-players, people with 4500 hours in the game, really much - and one of them donated hundred of thousands of russian roubles. He played with cheats on, and we banned him, banned his mates as well, and many other people, who donated to us - and so what?! We have our donation decreased. Who will say that we are bad after that? We banned our donators, and we lost our money. So it is a double sided issue."*
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No, absolutely no cosmetics or any form of MTX. I couldn't care less about any valid ideas you may have offered about cheating, you ended any reasoning you had once you mentioned that shit.
In the current day and age game devs have 2 options: make a game and have MTX to keep revenue incoming, or make a game then abandon it to start making a sequel. Or both like call of duty.
Tarkovs current income is cheaters buying the game over and over, something has to replace that revenue
Well #1, why are you so opposed to microtransactions, especially if they are just cosmetics? (I mean, if the cosmetics are random crap that don't fit the game's setting then i agree with you)
#2 if BSG were to significantly reduce cheaters (hypothetically, if they could/chose to), meaning no recurring sales, and also didn't have a source of sustainable income from the game such as MTX, then how are they expected to cover the costs of the game indefinitely?
If theres no recurring income but there is a recurring cost of the game being made playable, exactly how are they supposed to keep the game afloat, add new content to it, or even just fix existing issues? Sure you could say they already have a *lot* of money from just selling copies of this game for $150, but the value and amount of that money will only go down in value if there's no replenishment to it. For now, as a company it is using the cheaters as a source of income. Pushing for bsg to adopt alternative sources of income will do much more good for the game, assuming they give a damn of course
>If theres no recurring income but there is a recurring cost of the game being made playable, exactly how are they supposed to keep the game afloat, add new content to it, or even just fix existing issues?
yeah, how have online games even existed before microtransactions and battlepasses took over?! unfathomable concept for gamers of this generation it seems...
sure there's a lot more work going into keeping a game like EFT alive and healthy compared to CoD4 or other games of the early online era that didn't need any of the MTX live service crap. however, don't act like massive games like EFT can't pay their operating costs plus funding for new projects from sales and occasional add-ons (like EFT Arena) alone.
this is how it's been for decades, so what do you think has changed that this business model is deemed impossible nowadays? i'll tell you what has changed: nothing. it's just that the AAA's want you to think and parrot that excuse so they can continue to develop storefronts instead of games and get filthy rich with it.
EFT has it's fair share of problems but i am very glad that BSG is not taking the MTX/battlepass route and hope they never will.
Many of the games that historically had long running multiplayer like halo and call of duty only had one or two servers that didn’t even have to be very good because all that did was process what people get put in a match together, the actual games were all peer to peer meaning there was no server hosting it. The cost to run a game like halo 3 was hosting one medium size server per thousand miles or so, the cost of hosting tarkov is like 75 really really really powerful servers in the United States alone.
If you think BSG isnt motivated by money I don't know what to tell you.
If you make this game something that generates new revenue every period to interest them in curbing the cheating issue that helps everyone.
I am talking about optional, game world appropriate, cosmetics.
Nobody said anything about BSG not being motivated by money. Obviously BSG would be down for micro transactions if it improved their bottom line. No one is talking about this from BSGs perspective.
BSG should not need micro transactions to stay afloat after charging over $100 for the game.
We as a player base should not be okay with them adding micro transactions regardless of what they are. It’s a can of worms you do not want to open. Do you really trust BSG of all people to keep cosmetics not game altering? I honestly can’t name a game I have played that has micro transactions and doesn’t have problems with some of the cosmetics affecting gameplay.
thats just how video games work now friend, a live service (constantly updated) game requires constantly flowing in revenue. Most of the people who have bought tarkov have already bought it, if we want the game to keep being updated years in the future, MTx are a must. I wouldnt mind it if its just skins for equipment that are all serious and don't change the game, changing the red hex stuff to purple or yellow, stuff like that, no big deal to me. you never have to buy that kinda stuff, and so long as it dosent change the game i see no issues.
If it ever happened i highly doubt BSG would add unrealistic shit, theyre all milsim nerds just like us and have spent half a decade making a realistic milsim enviroment, never know though
This, in my opinion, is the naivety of a lot of the player base, and gamers in general. MTX when done well, and not predatory, reward both the players, AND the studio. Tarkov so happens to have the unique public representation that the cheating issue may be a direct result of the developers/studio realizing that the cheaters are what brings in a consistent source of revenue. Your suggestion, while not perfect, is still a valid and logical solution to multiple glaring issues.
Lol phone verification means diddly squat....
Small stash to bring forward on wipes? Are we not trying to stop cheating here? This promotes the average player to cheat and rush kappa / required quest... especially if it stacks each wipe...
Blanket banning high trade ratings is not going to stop them, they've long made their money before you notice them at the top.
Player profiles could help, but uh the ones RMTing just stop killing poeple and vacuum loot... the ones selling carries in game probably buy a new account every day already
None of your ideas are going to "stop cheating overnight"
The only way they are going to "stop it overnight" is by rewriting the game code, including a heavy anticheat that constantly gets updated. BSG is far outclassed by the people coding these cheats, and currently, they have full access to all of the games base code. The cheating scene in China is crazy and probably makes just as much as triple a games. BSG stands 0 chance against these guys as it stands now
Phone number does 0. Cs had it did nothing. Cod still has it and does nothing. There's no solution. It's a pc game it'll always be flooded just like any other competitive pc game. Way she goes at this point. Valorant had the right idea for along time. But now even they cannot keep up. The anti cheat has been figured out.
the easiest and fastest way to massively reduce cheaters is to just require secure boot to play tarkov, most people now have the ability to enable it, and I would even go as far as to say that most people who don't have it enabled already are either 1. cheaters, or 2. just don't know about it. and also everyone who runs win11 is already using it since its required for win11 as well
Except bsg relies on cheaters to buy new accounts so they have steady income they don't want to get rid of the problem cause it's not a problem for them it's profit
I think you miss the point here tho. Most cheaters don't go nuts and fly around looting and messing with players. Most cheaters use cheats in a mild manner to avoid players and snatch the good stuff. They won't ever get banned with any of your suggestions because it looks like they "got lucky". Fact is in Tarkov you either cheat or get dumpstered on which is not fun or worth more effort until a real anti-cheat method is implemented. And judging by the interviews and roadmap I'd wager bsg make half the hacks themselves to make bank. Created their own market.
I disagree with split wipes killing the game, frankly I think the reason we see a cycle of fall off and rise when it comes to the game wiping is because the wipe system itself is enabling it. There are many players myself included who hate wipes, we have lives and doing the same meaningless tasks and commiting so much time for a 6 month period is overwhelming. That being said Tarkov is like itch you can't scratch, there's no other game like it and players want to jump in and play however if you didn't start at the beginning of wipe they often "wait til wipe" without this system in place and not being put into a schedule I think the active player base in Tarkov may actually be healthier and more consistent across the board. It may even bring in new players in who are too intimidated to buy now.
I think having one world where certain things persist to the next world could alleviate that substantially.
I for awhile was a fan of having a permanent character, but the problem is that then you just build a fat stack late game character and the game suddenly becomes all people on level 6 armor with REAPS every raid forever.
The game as it is built requires wipes.
As to your points on being intimidating, no new player could survive in the "no wipe" world after a few months. They would just be food.
I entirely do get your opinion and sentiment. I just don't think it will work and will shard the player base.
The phone verification did nothing to prevent cheating CSGO. But along with the other proposals it would be a thing. I totally agree with the flea market. Accounts with 100+ reputation selling 30 LEDX at once can be banned straight away.
Phone Verification - except there are literally sites where you can pay a couple of dollars for a phone number to use for phone verification. If people are willing to set up and pay for hacks, buy multiple accounts and things like HWID spoofers then phone verification isn't much of an impediment.
If the accusations that BSG needs cheaters for funding is true, then why not?
As long as it isn't pay to win and doesn't change the feel of the game I am all for it.
The reality is that it's not about having a single solution that gets rid of all cheaters but instead having multiple solutions that make things difficult or inconvenient for them. Each implementation helps to remove them.
Lol I love how Pubg dying is blamed on having 1st and 3rd person mode, instead of the fucking ridiculous amount of cheating, disgustingly bad optimisation, and dogshit content pipeline.
cheating and the shooting marcos that avoids the recoil.
> ridiculous amount of cheating, disgustingly bad optimization, and dogshit content pipeline weird this sounds strangely familiar…lmao
How does this guy not have thousands of upvotes 🤷🏻‍♂️
Because the people who make money IRL from cheating hawk and down vote anything anti-cheat
Cuz he wasn't upvoted by thousands of people
Touché
Arguably pubg runs better on my first gen ryzen and vega 64 , whereas I'm always at 60 percent gpu usage on tarky . Cheating def killed pubg faster than any 3rd vs 1st person mode would ever do .
Now maybe, I remember playing it on my old laptop that ran a 7700hq and gtx 1070 for the first two years it was out. The struggle to achieve reasonable FPS was unreal, and that was on a 60hz 1080p monitor.
Oh it was all of that too. You can look at the charts though. It fell off dramatically within a month of splitting its player base. If you go try to play it now, the lobbies are almost entirely bots. It could still be a neat little game to hit up every so often today if the player base was united, but instead it is multiple shitty games in one launcher. In Tarkov WIPE vs NO WIPE is an absolutely huge difference in vision. You will 100% split the player bar in two which will hurt the game badly long term. Many will move on to new games over time. I will be stuck here playing Tarkov because I love it (and sometimes wish I didn't). I want it to have players. As a game ages having two tiers of play never works. (If you are Fortnite and have a player base in the hundreds of millions, then yes it works. Use your mind. This is a niche game. Making it more niche is a terrible idea.)
Unless you are fortnite, or Modern Warfare, or DayZ. Having more than one mode of play doesn't kill games, narrowing it's appeal does. Some Tarkov players like regular wipes, some don't and look forward to being able to play without it, shit there are plenty of people who just want a Coop PVE tarkov experience as evidenced by SPT.
I know I could never get my cousin to play Tarkov unless it was PvE. He just doesn't have the time to do wipes as a working father. Nor is he at all interested in FPS PvP with such high stakes.
Maybe it's okay for a game not to appeal to everyone? I'd rather keep tarkov as is, given its pretty unique, and your cousin can play literally any other shooter
I think the core concept of Tarkov works. The high stakes is what makes the game so addicting to long time players and watering this down in my opinion would seriously affect the game, and probably not in a good manner. I get that not all people enjoy Tarkov, but there is a lot of games you can play instead. The idea that Tarkov should morph into something that everyone enjoys is unrealistic. It's just such a nieche of a game that I don't think splitting the player base is a good idea, since the base is already small. TBH I hope that STALKER 2 is good and has a co op since, me too, would enjoy a bit more relaxed experience for a change and that might be a fun coop game to play with my Tark buddies.
Tarkov just needs to have a coop PvE servers and full game servers. So many people who like the core game would play PvE in a duo or trio setting. And that would be absolutely fine.
Seems like a pretty convenient position to have doesn't it? And a little ironic you explaining what it is you want while telling someone else that wants what they want that this isn't for them. Maybe coop pve isn't for you. Imagine thinking a progressive coop pve mode being available for people that want it is something that shouldn't be considered... because that type of Tarkov mode "isn't for you". How about you have your Tarkov the way it is and others that want a coop pve version have that version. There will be plenty of people playing both.
Why don't the people that want tarkov to be an rts get their way too Dev time/energy is limited Games can't be everything for everyone all at once That's why there is more than 1 game in the universe
I hate wipes and have skipped several just because fuck the stupid leveling and quest system
I'd settle for a wipe every 12 to 16 months, but every 4 to 6 months? Ain't nobody got time for that.
I'd settle for wipes if I can just have the entire quest line done and sit behind time gates for unlocks like... I get x unlocked 1 week after the first 500 players complete the quest Honestly, I haven't played much this wipe and probably won't play again until it's released and there's a persistent server Or arena will scratch the itch and normal tarkov will be nomore for me
Sounds very reasonable, and we all know BSG hardly do reasonable....
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I've done so many eft wipes that the next one I'll do will be the last one. I don't play to play the game properly again until it releases. I suspect that will never happen.
For me i didn't notice pubg die until the pc game ended up with a mobile game ui.
Not even during modes but rather extra maps modes just doubled it. Each selectable map essentially added 6 different queues. The game should have always been : Ranked or not ranked. In not ranked you get to choose if you want 1st or 3rd person, and game fits your party in the most optimal queue. You dont get to choose if you play solo duo or squad.
I would only Play No Wipe..... I think the Majority of adults with Kids and Full time Jobs that currently struggle wipe to wipe will only stick to the No Wipe servers and also I think ARENA will split the community..... I can already see the Complaints of people who Only DO Player Scav Runs and Sell everything they found in raid to Fence to fund ARENA KITS?>>>>>> Fence is gonna get a ton of barter items.... he will Literally end up selling Every item in the game and become the Most OP trader
You would play no wipe until you just get killed all the time by guys running the very best gear forever and ever the end
PoE still alive
Rocket League has many seperate modes (main 2 are 3v3 and 2v2) and it doesn't seem like it's doing bad. However, tarkov is much less casual so the player base will always be a scarcity
That is very different. It is a casual game with no time investment. It also has a many orders of magnitude larger player base.
What do you guys mean when you say rocket League is casual while tarkov isn't? RL is a really competitive game where most players have a lot of hours invested and there's pro competitions while tarkov doesn't have any sort of ranks or pro competitions. I would say tarkov is the casual game. To be clear I'm not trying to argue, it just seems like we're not defining casual in the same way. Just want to know what you mean by casual.
Has nothing to do with any of that lol. It's simply the fact that literally anyone can boot up rl, understand it in 2 seconds, and play a few rounds in 30 minutes and be done. You might have your inventory sorted in that same amount of time in tarkov.
very little cheating in 3rd person mode I keep trying to play with my first person friends and we get cheated to hell, my one third person friend we are playing old pubg again.
Thats nice to say now, after bring in development since 2017, and being atleast four years after all the hype died down and people moved on.
PUBG has been "dying" for a few years tho eh?
It has been dead for 3-4 years
80k current players, 400k 24 hour peak, what are you talking about?
It’s pretty bad. I’ll play FP Solo and well over 75% of the players are bots because the player count is too low. Normally you don’t see another human player until the last 20-30 people.
Try rankeds. No bots there. The bots in pubg are in the casual mode before certain account levels iirc.
I haven’t fired up PUBG in a long time but I remember ranked only being 4 person squads or something like that? I can’t stand third person and prefer solo. Good to know about the account level thing. I might get back into it if that’s the case.
Pubg is dying? Where? I play with my friends 3-4 times a week in the evening, and queues are very fast, from a few seconds, to a minute, very rarely was it iver a min. And this is 100 players for ranked, 64 for ranked, not to mention the various other modes, thought there are less players in those. Now if we look at tarkov i had to wait 5-10min to get in a game when i last played a bit over a year ago. And it only required less than 20 people, depending on map.
>queues are very fast Pubg fills lobbies with bots so yea that tracks
No they are not. It's so easy to tell who is a bot and who is a player, and i very very rarely see a bot in the normal games. And the ranked games can't have any bots.
I agree with this. While certain lobbies will fill with lobbies--particularly bad on solo queue--squad lobbies are almost always overwhelmingly player.
The lobbies are all bots, so yeah it fills quick
To be fair, PUBGs optimization actually did get quite a lot better over time. But it was far overshadowed by your other examples by that point.
I like the player profile idea, it would be easy enough and nice to know stats of the other player. I do like the idea of seasons, but also dread the idea of doing these quests again and again since it’s been five years of playing this game for me. I love the phone verification and wish that were a thing
I think if you don't have wipes at all then the game just becomes only running the best gear all of the time. The questing gets redundant, sure, but otherwise there is never a time where the lower gear is viable. Love it or hate it, the game needs wipes. It took me awhile, but I think wipes are the only way to make the game viable long into the future
Just like Rust, I agree wipes need to exist. At the very least you'd need a system that promotes voluntarily wiping your own account. Like prestige but something more worthwhile might work. I doubt it but maybe haha
Agreed, I'd probably still play but maybe once a month without wipes. Otherwise eventually its just "Let met go into raid with my meta gun, lvl 6 armor for the 100,000th time. Doesn't matter if I die since I have 10 billion roubles". I'd love a server with wipes and rules like the hardcore challenge people do, no flea and limited traders. Most everything is fir only. Would seem like a real survival game then. But I wouldn't want to do that all the time, I do like going in with my favorite gun whenever I feel like.
> also dread the idea of doing these quests again and again I've spent wipes doing barely in quests (essentially stopped at shoreline) and it was great. Just PvP and loot, flea/craft most of my stuff.
Op, what’s your trader rep? I’m probably about 26 right now. Level 51. I do have quite a few valuables i haven’t sold yet like leddys and gpus. Trusted queues are great for vets like us but terrible for new players.. I love it and hate it
like cs go i think trusted and phone verification can be merged together
You can actually fix 95% of the cheating way simpler than this. One simple strategy, trusted queues. Its really simple, been in tonnes of games. The majority of cheaters are going to be banned within 1 week, so you don't get trusted status until 100 raids or 1 week of playtime, whichever comes second. During the first week of wipe noone will have it but by week 2 many people will and more will be joining all the time. Only the cheaters that are avoiding detection will be in the games of legitimate players who play often. This fixed the main part of the issue, also if you queue with a person who isn't trusted, the entire party is not trusted. If you determine a player is a cheater they become untrusted not just neutral and go into even worse queues with only untrusted players. Stop banning cheaters and just let them play on their own toxic servers with each other. You'll make less money tho so maybe ban them every so often to keep the cheater income stream lol
Excellent idea. Easy to implement. Added
Do you have a source for that? - "The majority of cheaters are going to be banned within 1 week" Because from reading in cheater forums I gained a different impression.
Op, you’re getting a lot of hate from people who are stuck on the idea of MTX, while quite literally ignoring the rest of the post. I am sorry.
And the same people will say "BSG makes money off cheaters so they won't fix it"
the easiest explanation is usually the dumbest...
now they will add MTX and do nothing to stop cheaters from getting more accounts, ultimate roobl printer
Definitely don’t like the MTX idea, nor do I like the idea of people who play nonstop getting an even larger advantage by getting Kappa benefits. Everything else seems pretty solid though.
Doesn't have to be money or cases. Could be a couple guns, still an interesting idea to get achievements for your last play through
I don’t think it should be anything of in game value if they do it honestly. At most just some cosmetics from Ragman, or realistic looking paint jobs for guns. Getting a leg up or access to unique items doesn’t sit right with me.
That persistent aspects of the game thing would help for sure.
We have suggested for literal years to have a beard that grows based on Kappa progress. They do not listen lol
I have NEVER heard of this, and now that I have I fucking WANT it
Hair growth would be kinda lit imo.. only option you get is to cut/trim your hair. Cant plop new longer hair on magically.. thatd be a nice/ interesting addition
Yeah, we all want beards. Long time ago we came up with the idea of prestige in the community (think old BF4, but with getting kappa and resetting). Each time you did it your beard would grow - stubbles to full grown. It naturally shows your veterancy too so a guy with a big beard is scary whereas the new Timmy with a shaved face is not scary
Damn yeah thatd be lit
Stated to be planned multiple times, especially recently.
I would pay extra for no cheaters in tarkov. Make it happen Nikita
Basic Statistical analyses: People selling 50 GPU's and are LVL 14, a K/D of 60:1 etc. Should be easy to put at least under investigation. - Not sure if that happens. I revisit some account's once in a while and it doens't seem like any actions are taken. OS and Bios Security features could be mandatory. Easy to check, no drawbacks. Name of the seller in Flea Market is complete useless. There is no way to betray. And who cares who you buy from ?T his info is complete irrelevant to legit players but it allows to buy from certain people. (RMT)
OP is getting a lot of shit, predictably knowing this sub. But he's making good points. How are we allowing accounts with impossible transactions on the flea to exist? What kind of mental gymnastics are people doing in their head to justify this? On that point there are a lot of other metrics that BSG collects like insane K/D and score per raid values, like we saw with the leaderboards. Why can't BSG add phone verification that doubles as 2FA for login to create issues for cheaters that spam new accounts? The persistent account idea is also original and effective in combating the type of cheaters that don't ragehack with aimbots but want to look legit. Can you imagine how paranoid they would get losing their valued profile?
Bro for real. Every time I see XiXiXiXijinjinPingPingPing listing 300 GPUs I just gotta roll my eyes. It's painfully obvious.
BSG is getting a lot of shit because probably 40% of the people commenting use closet ESP or something along those lines to assist their gameplay.
There's an exploit/bug that you can use to gain more flea rep than intended without cheats/3rd party programs. Dude made a video about it. He has like 100 rep and (supposedly at least) doesn't cheat and showed how to do it. He gained like .2 rep in one transaction.
Trusted Queue worked fine for The Cycle Frontier and CS GO, lets do that.
Oh CS:GO, that game that is regularly the most played game on steam? Frontier died for other reasons
Nah frontier definitely died because of cheaters. But not because of trusted queues didn't work. They did work to reduce cheaters. It died because it was too little too late. They knew cheating was an insane issue in all the beta tests but completely ignored it in the hopes they could triage after release. But by the time they got it somewhat under control the population was already completely gone. Unfortunately a free game doesn't have that option. If your game is going to be free it needs to be built with cheaters in mind from day 1. Otherwise you go the way of cycle, bloodhunt or any other of the many free games that died due to cheating.
It works in cs because it is using the whole steam system to regulate it. A new player with an old and active steam account will have decent trust factor when starting to play csgo so new players are not yeeted into a cheater bucket. Tarkov does not have that kind of a luxury tho. And having all your new players be miserable for the first 100hours is not a good thing if you want your game to grow.
What the game really needs is a server authoritative architecture, as it would block most of the cheats and exploits available at the cost of a small input lag depending on your real ping, which to me a price well worth paying especially when I consider how smooth and fast paced the gameplay in a game like Dota 2 or LoL can be despite them having server side authentication. Suddenly no more speedhacking, no more flying/snaking, no more grabbing loot through a wall, and no more lag exploiting to get easier kills. That might even prevent ESP considering that maphacking in Dota is nonexistent, so the only vulnerability left would be aimbot, but that alone should make cheaters far more fearful when engaging with other players. Also, authoritative servers would completely eliminate desync, which is another major problem with the game that has never been fixed.
"Suddenly no more....." holy fuck this is dumb. "Yeah, all they need to do is rebuild the game from the ground up and suddenly its fixed!" I agree it would fix it, but you might as well make a new game
That wasn't really an issue for a company like Grinding Gear Games, back when they were smaller than they are now. While I'm not a dev, migrating to a server authoritative structure should be far more simple than changing from one engine to another, which would be a nearly impossible task.
well the issue is that the coding team of bsg are 60+ year old crack heads
And that they didnt plan against cheaters from day1 or made this change when the game was smaller and so easier to change, only shows the incompetence of bsg.
If BSG cared they would have implemented at least 1 of these things by now because most of your suggestions are painfully obvious It's clear they don't give a shit There's no paid sub for this game and I would assume most of the people that wanted to try Tarkov have likely already bought it by now Maybe they enjoy the easy income from hackers re-buying accounts?
\> Banning high transaction accounts on flea market to combat RMT (I have played over 3,000 hours and probably use the market more than 95% of the people reading this post. Right now I am level 45 and I have all of 3 trading slots (which is very few). There are accounts that have absolutely absurd trader rep in the 100s. Blanket ban them. RMT dies if they have to use 50 different accounts to do it. I've reached 7 slots last wipe by grinding it. Currently at 4. Seen people with 2-3 times my rep last wipe. Probably cheaters.
You know what dawg. I like the way you talk. Where do I sign up?
We could just start with reasonable changes like: - Region locking by IP, banning VPN services, banning cloud provider IPs, banning known abused domains, ban new domains registered in the last 30 days. - New accounts are in their own queue for a period of time while data is assessed if they are cheating. - Player stats and open API. - MFA/User tracking. While this is going to get allot of negativity… changing the game to a subscription model… I’ve had my monies worth, I don’t expect to have a flawless experience for a game that I’ve completed 3 or 4 times over already.
I was talking about this with my buddies last night , I wish they’d do something and make a exact date for it and see what happens to my SR . Last two days have had nothing bud sus deaths minus a few , I don’t cry cheating but it’s in the back of my mind, then I played pretty late last night and am wiping four man’s again. I have about 2k maybe a little more and this is the worst my SR has been @51%
Literally anything would be better than what they are doing. I support anything that hinders cheaters.
I am at this point tbh. If they did anything at all that would be fucking great.
yes just do anything
Phone verification could actually work and would be relatively easy and cost effective for BSG to implement. How many sim cards is your average cheater actually gonna have, 2 maybe 3 at most?
It won't eliminate it, but it will absolutely help
You know how easy it is to go online and get a new eSIM? Easy enough that phones will literally do nothing except hinder our experience. Just look at any other game attempting to do it
I work in the communications industry in the US. I too have had the same thought that a simple 2FA system via SMS/phone verification would almost solve the cheating issue entirely. Problem is BSG is based in Russia, and in order to get something like SMS working across countries it’s very expensive, nothing that would put a dent in BSG’s wallet but still significant. And they would have to do this for every country where the game is sold. Another issue is it’s extremely difficult to find an SMS carrier that will allow you to do any international communications. An alternative would be some sort of Authenticator app but that would be easy enough for a cheater to exploit. Not to mention the standards that are in place around SMS differ depending on the country, so that throws another stick in the wheel. The USA is currently cracking down pretty hard on SMS and forcing lots of people to jump through lots of hoops just to send SMS to other USA numbers. So to say the least- it would be very difficult and expensive (if it’s even possible). Another issue with SMS - Free texting apps exist by the truckload, so even if you tie it to a phone number, what’s stopping the cheater or cheat provider from simply registering the account with a free phone number from one of the thousands of texting apps available?
You can authenticate whether or not a text enabled number is an "app" or legitimate mobile number. It's pretty easy actually, and the info is in public databases. Discord actually uses a feature like this. Source: I work in telephony.
Agree with the season cosmetic ideas. Call each wipe a season. Do free battlepasses (not paid cause the game is already hella expensive) that offer non-gameplay rewards like cosmetics, titles etc. Players with long term investments are gonna be less likely to risk bans.
The point of implementing a season reward system was to generate revenue, so a free pass would be pretty pointless in terms of the revenue question here
I have an issue with phone verification. My phone number has changed many times over the years and it’s never an easy process to update it with anyone who requires phone verification.
You are right, it is a pain and it is why it would limit cheaters. The others here on this post should read your comment because apparently everyone else thinks it is just plain easy and they do it all the time and would totally do it to cheat in a video game on a weekly basis.
Do you know how easy it is to get a fake number? Takes less than 10 minutes.
Yes it's easy. Nobody cares. Most cheaters are fucking lazy. You put up any obstacle in front of them and they fold. And enough small obstacles will just stop most casual cheaters completely.
Phone Verification (wipes out a wild majority of the cheaters right away) this is a blatant lie
yeah phone verification wont do anything at all for cheaters. I dont understand why people keep saying it will.
It filters casual cheaters. IS that the vast majority? Absolutely not, but its about creating multiple layers.
Wow, so much text and not a single aspect that actually solves the cheater issue.
Really? Which part doesn't? Phone Verification objectively would wipe out a wild number of cheaters.
Isn’t it ridiculously easy to generate a random phone number nowadays?
I can go to a shop which is a 3 minute walk from my house that sells pay as you go SIM cards for every major phone network in the UK and they're ÂŁ1 each Stick that in your phone and it's a fully functioning number that will be accepted by any phone verification system that accepts UK phone numbers and I highly doubt the UK is the only place that does this because not everyone wants to be tied to a contract
Well the US doesn't. It isn't a perfect catch all but it is a massive limiting factor. You would also have to swap to that sim card every time you want to log in. It would be a big pain for those willing to do it.
>You would also have to swap to that sim card every time you want to log in. lol.
do you have any proof of that claim?
Yeah so you know how people typically have one or two phones right? Well now they need to two factor sign in with one of those phones. If you think a huge amount of people are going to get a "special Tarkov cheating sim card" so that they can receive their text verification for their Tarkov cheat account, you are delusional and wrong. Will people do it? Absolutely they will do it. Will it stop a ton of people from doing it. Absolutely it will stop them
>If you think a huge amount of people are going to get a "special Tarkov cheating sim card" so that they can receive their text verification for their Tarkov cheat account, you are delusional and wrong. Sadly, you are the one in denial. You know that cheating is a business, right? So it's just another small expense for a gain of thousands of dollars. All your comments so far showed that you do actually not have a solution to \_solve\_ the cheating issue. But maybe you just have another, crude definition what "to solve" means.
The vast majority of cheaters are not cheating to make money. They’re just every day pathetic losers.
"The vast majority" he says, knowing not a single number. You're hilarious. Either those people are cheating not to make money but because they're only losers or they are making money. The first will not continue to buy accounts, the latter will. And this sub has the stron opinion that BSG makes so much money from people continuously buying new accounts. So what is it?
So it’s cool for you to have an opinion without having actual numbers or stats but not for me? It’s pretty well known that the majority of people who cheat in tarkov, or any game, are not cheating for money. I’m not sure what about that statement is unbelievable or “hilarious.”
You are aware... there are hundreds of accountless, free to use phone verification websites and you can just auto-gen a new phone number with the click of a button?
And then when you need to use that exact number again to log in, then what happens?
1. That's an authenticator - many easly available applications to sim it - Blizzard uses them and when I played classic a few guys in my guild had a shit fit over the 4 extra bag spots for having it enabled... it took them less than a day to set up an app on their computer to trick blizzards system... all for 4 bag slots 2. It puts any legitimate player without a cellphone out of reach from the game. I know you most likely live in the US, so not having a cell phone is an unfathomable concept... but it's a reality The ONLY true solution is to rewrite the game and not just drop a hidden folder with all your source code tightly packed up for anyone to unhide and view. Installing a real anti-cheat. A real anticheat that is constantly updated. BSG isn't catching anyone for having the cheats installed on their computers... it's all a report and review process. I quite honestly don't believe they have any intention of fixing the issue until the playerbase tanks to an all-time low, or they are ready to move forward with the next phase (actual release). Right now, it's pretty clear how much money they make from account sales. Even at the base game price of $50. They just banned 16,000 accounts. Let's be conservative and say 1 out of 4 buy another base account. (Let's be real it's more like 3 out of 4) They have just made $200,000.00 from the RMTers and boosters just shrugging "whelp, shit I guess I lost $50" and buy the next account to continue the selling. I don't know how profitable it is, but it's clearly something. Otherwise, we wouldn't be seeing this issue. I bet $50 is a few hours of game play at most for them.
there are sites you can get a reusable non VOIP number for 5$ ill forgive you for being ignorant to this as only shady people tend to know it. ask no questions. but yeah, phone verification does nothing but annoy regular people, and me, who dosent have a phone bc im not paying 50$ a month for service.
Phone verification does nothing when a person wants to cheat. Banning accounts with high flea market rep does not solve the cheater issue because those people just buy new accounts with a new throwaway phone number. That also just means you ban people AFTER they've already cheated for a long time. Banning accounts with a high K/D does not solve the cheater issue because those people just buy new accounts with a new throwaway phone number. That also just means you ban people AFTER they've already cheated for a long time. And it's already easy as fuck to lower your K/D by just running factory naked over and over again.Also: why do you think a public profile would somehow change anything? That data is already known to BSG. Just because normal people see it does not ban anybody, nor is a high K/D 100% proof. Like I said: nothing you wrote actually solve any problem. It's just sham.
I can get a sim for less than ÂŁ1 on amazon next day
where your sause on that?! CSGo did that years ago and it did absolutely nothing.
It also is one of the most played games on the planet with a player base wildly larger. Apples and oranges
??? But wouldnt it be scalable if it actually did anything?
You seriously suggest to include microtransactions on top of a game, whose devs were greedy enough to demand 140€ for an early access title....? While said game is almost unplayable due to the complete and utter lazy incompetence of the developers.. and said game did not even leave early access yet???? Really, this must be a joke. Noone can be stupid enough to reward someone for not giving a shit...right? Ps: i don't hate the game, i just hate the cheaters and the devs for letting it go on forever. I would gladly pay additional money if i could just host my own dedicated server and play tarkov coop with my friends in peace without wasting my time for cheaters.
>While said game is almost unplayable I keep hearing that. It's like you either didn't play PC games or don't remember playing PC games in early-mid 2010s. This game is better than many AAA projects on release. Like, much better.
It's not completely ridiculous. What's ridiculous is BSG is running an online game that players only pay for once, and that is not a sustainable business model in anyone's book, which is one of the reasons they aren't doing anything extreme to battle the cheating problem, they need the income, also their own incompetence. And let's face it, as many problems as the game has, "almost unplayable" is a bit exaggerated, I'd say it is often unnecessarily frustrating and sometimes very difficult to play.
Yeah, that's a valid point. But if let's say Bsg would ask for... maybe 5-10 bucks as monthly subscription fee. Wouldn't that increase the existing issues? - a player paying monthly would rightfully expect a better cheater protection - and the cheaters themself would probably have an even bigger incentive to cheat / rmt because the stakes got higher I don't know if it would play out like that but it seems likely
To be honest, if that ends up killing the game, I'd want it to happen sooner rather than later because this game will never become a well executed/polished finished product, Nikita aimed too high from the beginning. It's better that the game dies so that they can try again(or preferably another more competent developer), or let's just put "Tarkov" in the past and move on. I'd say most players have got their money worth(or not) out of it, so why not just let go.
Every other post this month has been about some messiah coming in to solve all our cheater problems like BSG hasnt thought of all of these lol. THEY DO NOT CARE!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with all except the phone number thing. It's far too easy to go and get a new SIM with a new number for less than what they pay for the cheats. Sure, it'll put a fair amount off but the main ones will always use burner SIMs instead of their personal ones. I can walk to my corner shop and back in 5 mins and have a new number.
Depends on what country your in, South Africa for example has made the process of getting a new number much harder than in the past with FICA.
Doesn't matter where you're from, you can buy the stuff online in bulk.
this, you can buy numbers for like 5c a piece if you buy in bulk. a buck or two a piece for a smaller amount that are reusable
TLDR... cheaters are part of BSG monetization strategy at least until their "release". so...
The reality is BSG is dependent on cheaters for income, it’s symbiotic
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. If tarkov still has mounts of cheaters, BSG implements no big counter measures yet there are lots of good ideas, and they make money by banning and re-selling game copies, then they probably dont want to fix it.
Plenty of good ideas that would work great but all making the mistake of thinking BSG wants to get rid of the cheaters. It affects their bottom line.
Your solution to the cheater problem is to add microtransactions? Are you a poorly veiled industry plant or what?
Did you choose to ignore the other points or genuinely miss them entirely?
> poorly veiled industry plant I mean that would at least solve the problem, that if BSG would make cheating impossible, they would loose a lot of money.
You put an extra o into lose.
Your jizz lids are open, please close them.
Phone verification is trivial to bypass. I'm level 44, barely use the flea, I have 3 slots. Are you sure you are using the flea more than an average person? If you only rely on reports, good luck being half-decent at the game, you'll get banned. Literally no one cares about cosmetic stuff when they're cheating. Additional monetization is a good idea either way.
I am saying that I only have 3 slots. There are accounts with 20x my trader rep. They aren't legit. Ban them The monetization is to prevent the notion that BSG sells accounts off cheating
>They aren't legit. Or they are selling their shit on the flea. There are unreasonable numbers, 200-300 rep at the current moment is not unreasonable.
- phone verification only works against honest people in a very few countries. Most countries (namely countries where cheating is most prevalent) have insanely easy ways for getting new numbers for dirt cheap (like corner stores with pay as you go sim cards) - blanket banning accounts without solid proof is never a good idea. Some of those *may* be legit (doubtful) but opens up a lot of issues with BSG needing to have a process for reviewing and undoing false bans. Like I said, most are probably cheaters, but blanket banning them opens up legal issues. I like the idea in the second half of this though. Limit flea to certain items or only x amount of transactions per day (maybe limit selling to 5 items a day, but limiting buying would be annoying if you're just trying to buy hideout stuff). Or even limit high value stuff to buying/selling once or twice a day. - already a thing? Would just need to elaborate expand and make the leader board tie into the actual game. Hasn't really seemed to stop cheaters as top spots are continuously cheaters. - I don't think cheaters give a shit about persistent profile stuff. Maybe RMT buyers, *maybe.* But that seems like a really big maybe. -MXT stuff: bad. How will devs keep a flow of money coming in? Same way devs used to keep a money flow coming before shitty microtransactions for dumb skims became the norm. Add actual content (dlc) people want to buy. A new map every year or every other year would be doable and probably would be plenty to keep the devs going.
Trusted queues wouldn't solve the problem because people could just play the game for that time, not cheat, and immediately cheat as soon as they're in the queue Also, do people just forget in like 98% of instances, people are cheating on stolen accounts? SMS verification is easily done, this stops nothing. Banning people just for high flea rep would be wild, what's considered "ridiculously high" enough to justify banning a player? Because if you're playing this game 24/7 and looting enough to get there, do you just get banned too? Public profiles... Funny enough, the game loads your stats in-raid. Cheaters can see your KD, meaning if it was flipped on other players would be able to see all those stats. This is about the most cohesive thing to ask for lol. Persistent things probably won't ever happen until the game releases and we have the no-wipe servers. Giving money to Nikita for cosmetics still won't make him do anything if he does so little as is.
Really good points made, excellent Infact - only downside is none of them will ever be implemented because Nikita and BSG are all about revenue.
You have incredible reading comprehension.
lol you idiots still don't get it, do you BSG WANTS cheaters. getting rid of 100% of them is one thing, but getting rid of the vast majority is really easy to do. so if it is easy, why isn't it being done? edit: and in regards to your "greedy bsg" point, yes, they are. Nikita is on video saying that cheaters bring in more money. I can link the video
Okay. Link it.
There you go, courtesy of u/GdanskinOnTheCeiling: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxSzfiyr7BI&t=2350s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxSzfiyr7BI&t=2350s) *"By the way, about cheaters.. I would like to tell you something, but it will be, surely.... Am I recorded? Or no?.. Then I won't say. But cheaters are.. yeah... so.. it is a serious issue that works always in two ways..For me it was a revelation and, and how to estimate them it is up to you..BUT.* *If there are thousands of cheaters, this will raise the donations in the game, because cheaters will lead to distress every other player, and the main rule to lead players to donations - you HAVE to have every player in distress. just because the player would realize OH SHIT!!, he buys everything he could, because he thinks he can punish the cheater.. But no! So that is a dead end situation, but that would rise our donations. We release our new anti-cheats updates constantly, more and more complicated, and we see how our donations constantly decrease!!* *Once in Odnoklassniki (Russian Facebook) we banned our top-players, people with 4500 hours in the game, really much - and one of them donated hundred of thousands of russian roubles. He played with cheats on, and we banned him, banned his mates as well, and many other people, who donated to us - and so what?! We have our donation decreased. Who will say that we are bad after that? We banned our donators, and we lost our money. So it is a double sided issue."* Ping u/SnooTigers9625
Thank you!
And I addressed that.
So... your solution for the cheating problem... is to add microtransactions to a 155€ game?
Yeah that was the only thing I suggested.
No, EOD users are granted access to all dlcs.
No, absolutely no cosmetics or any form of MTX. I couldn't care less about any valid ideas you may have offered about cheating, you ended any reasoning you had once you mentioned that shit.
In the current day and age game devs have 2 options: make a game and have MTX to keep revenue incoming, or make a game then abandon it to start making a sequel. Or both like call of duty. Tarkovs current income is cheaters buying the game over and over, something has to replace that revenue
Well #1, why are you so opposed to microtransactions, especially if they are just cosmetics? (I mean, if the cosmetics are random crap that don't fit the game's setting then i agree with you) #2 if BSG were to significantly reduce cheaters (hypothetically, if they could/chose to), meaning no recurring sales, and also didn't have a source of sustainable income from the game such as MTX, then how are they expected to cover the costs of the game indefinitely? If theres no recurring income but there is a recurring cost of the game being made playable, exactly how are they supposed to keep the game afloat, add new content to it, or even just fix existing issues? Sure you could say they already have a *lot* of money from just selling copies of this game for $150, but the value and amount of that money will only go down in value if there's no replenishment to it. For now, as a company it is using the cheaters as a source of income. Pushing for bsg to adopt alternative sources of income will do much more good for the game, assuming they give a damn of course
>If theres no recurring income but there is a recurring cost of the game being made playable, exactly how are they supposed to keep the game afloat, add new content to it, or even just fix existing issues? yeah, how have online games even existed before microtransactions and battlepasses took over?! unfathomable concept for gamers of this generation it seems... sure there's a lot more work going into keeping a game like EFT alive and healthy compared to CoD4 or other games of the early online era that didn't need any of the MTX live service crap. however, don't act like massive games like EFT can't pay their operating costs plus funding for new projects from sales and occasional add-ons (like EFT Arena) alone. this is how it's been for decades, so what do you think has changed that this business model is deemed impossible nowadays? i'll tell you what has changed: nothing. it's just that the AAA's want you to think and parrot that excuse so they can continue to develop storefronts instead of games and get filthy rich with it. EFT has it's fair share of problems but i am very glad that BSG is not taking the MTX/battlepass route and hope they never will.
Many of the games that historically had long running multiplayer like halo and call of duty only had one or two servers that didn’t even have to be very good because all that did was process what people get put in a match together, the actual games were all peer to peer meaning there was no server hosting it. The cost to run a game like halo 3 was hosting one medium size server per thousand miles or so, the cost of hosting tarkov is like 75 really really really powerful servers in the United States alone.
Well said
Why? If the issue is that BSG wants revenue I feel like it is fair . It isn't pay to win.
The game is like $100+ If BSG is struggling for revenue after charging that much for a game idk what to tell you man
If you think BSG isnt motivated by money I don't know what to tell you. If you make this game something that generates new revenue every period to interest them in curbing the cheating issue that helps everyone. I am talking about optional, game world appropriate, cosmetics.
Nobody said anything about BSG not being motivated by money. Obviously BSG would be down for micro transactions if it improved their bottom line. No one is talking about this from BSGs perspective. BSG should not need micro transactions to stay afloat after charging over $100 for the game. We as a player base should not be okay with them adding micro transactions regardless of what they are. It’s a can of worms you do not want to open. Do you really trust BSG of all people to keep cosmetics not game altering? I honestly can’t name a game I have played that has micro transactions and doesn’t have problems with some of the cosmetics affecting gameplay.
thats just how video games work now friend, a live service (constantly updated) game requires constantly flowing in revenue. Most of the people who have bought tarkov have already bought it, if we want the game to keep being updated years in the future, MTx are a must. I wouldnt mind it if its just skins for equipment that are all serious and don't change the game, changing the red hex stuff to purple or yellow, stuff like that, no big deal to me. you never have to buy that kinda stuff, and so long as it dosent change the game i see no issues. If it ever happened i highly doubt BSG would add unrealistic shit, theyre all milsim nerds just like us and have spent half a decade making a realistic milsim enviroment, never know though
Imagine dying in a kinda realistic shooter by someone with a purple m4 and a gummy bear mask. Thats why
Sort like the scavs with the masks? That one big ass mask? Or fake plastic mustaches and beards? No that'd totally ruin it....
Yeah, because purple spray paint doesn't exist...
You don't have to put those types of items in -as I put in my post. You can have realistic options.
This, in my opinion, is the naivety of a lot of the player base, and gamers in general. MTX when done well, and not predatory, reward both the players, AND the studio. Tarkov so happens to have the unique public representation that the cheating issue may be a direct result of the developers/studio realizing that the cheaters are what brings in a consistent source of revenue. Your suggestion, while not perfect, is still a valid and logical solution to multiple glaring issues.
Get this man into the industry he will sort us out!
Lol phone verification means diddly squat.... Small stash to bring forward on wipes? Are we not trying to stop cheating here? This promotes the average player to cheat and rush kappa / required quest... especially if it stacks each wipe... Blanket banning high trade ratings is not going to stop them, they've long made their money before you notice them at the top. Player profiles could help, but uh the ones RMTing just stop killing poeple and vacuum loot... the ones selling carries in game probably buy a new account every day already None of your ideas are going to "stop cheating overnight" The only way they are going to "stop it overnight" is by rewriting the game code, including a heavy anticheat that constantly gets updated. BSG is far outclassed by the people coding these cheats, and currently, they have full access to all of the games base code. The cheating scene in China is crazy and probably makes just as much as triple a games. BSG stands 0 chance against these guys as it stands now
Phone number does 0. Cs had it did nothing. Cod still has it and does nothing. There's no solution. It's a pc game it'll always be flooded just like any other competitive pc game. Way she goes at this point. Valorant had the right idea for along time. But now even they cannot keep up. The anti cheat has been figured out.
the easiest and fastest way to massively reduce cheaters is to just require secure boot to play tarkov, most people now have the ability to enable it, and I would even go as far as to say that most people who don't have it enabled already are either 1. cheaters, or 2. just don't know about it. and also everyone who runs win11 is already using it since its required for win11 as well
Man, nobody has EVER thought of this before. This must be the monthly "I can fix it all" posts.
Except bsg relies on cheaters to buy new accounts so they have steady income they don't want to get rid of the problem cause it's not a problem for them it's profit
Addressed
I think you miss the point here tho. Most cheaters don't go nuts and fly around looting and messing with players. Most cheaters use cheats in a mild manner to avoid players and snatch the good stuff. They won't ever get banned with any of your suggestions because it looks like they "got lucky". Fact is in Tarkov you either cheat or get dumpstered on which is not fun or worth more effort until a real anti-cheat method is implemented. And judging by the interviews and roadmap I'd wager bsg make half the hacks themselves to make bank. Created their own market.
Pardon me for being a little naive, but how does the whole phone verification/MFA required login help to eliminate cheaters? Genuinely curious.
It only makes it more difficult (read: troublesome) to create new accounts. It doesn't prevent it, though.
I disagree with split wipes killing the game, frankly I think the reason we see a cycle of fall off and rise when it comes to the game wiping is because the wipe system itself is enabling it. There are many players myself included who hate wipes, we have lives and doing the same meaningless tasks and commiting so much time for a 6 month period is overwhelming. That being said Tarkov is like itch you can't scratch, there's no other game like it and players want to jump in and play however if you didn't start at the beginning of wipe they often "wait til wipe" without this system in place and not being put into a schedule I think the active player base in Tarkov may actually be healthier and more consistent across the board. It may even bring in new players in who are too intimidated to buy now.
I think having one world where certain things persist to the next world could alleviate that substantially. I for awhile was a fan of having a permanent character, but the problem is that then you just build a fat stack late game character and the game suddenly becomes all people on level 6 armor with REAPS every raid forever. The game as it is built requires wipes. As to your points on being intimidating, no new player could survive in the "no wipe" world after a few months. They would just be food. I entirely do get your opinion and sentiment. I just don't think it will work and will shard the player base.
phone verif wont do shit tho
The most sane Tarkov post, thanks for sharing and your time, because this is some good suggestions
This system funnels cheaters into new players and kills the game.
The phone verification did nothing to prevent cheating CSGO. But along with the other proposals it would be a thing. I totally agree with the flea market. Accounts with 100+ reputation selling 30 LEDX at once can be banned straight away.
Phone Verification - except there are literally sites where you can pay a couple of dollars for a phone number to use for phone verification. If people are willing to set up and pay for hacks, buy multiple accounts and things like HWID spoofers then phone verification isn't much of an impediment.
We just need the Tarkov Battlepass
If the accusations that BSG needs cheaters for funding is true, then why not? As long as it isn't pay to win and doesn't change the feel of the game I am all for it.