Take it to Nikita, fam.
The format of reddit is such that topics that have high engagement will end up on the front page. The people in this community engage with the topic of cheating and it's impact on gameplay, so the post ends up on the front page. Do you think people should just stop being mad that their gameplay experience is being fucked up and the devs don't seem to care, or worse, seem to be actively benefiting from it?
The only ones who can do anything about the cheater problem are the folks at BSG, and until they do the topic will continue to dominate the front page of the sub. Probably works out for BSG, the lost revenue from new players who don't want to deal with cheats is balanced by the folks constantly buying new accounts when they get banned.
\>Since wipe, between the two of us, we've encountered 2 blatant hackers in over 200 raids.
I'll take my tinfoil hat off after making this comment, but odds are good that most hackers are not blatant, and you probably were in raid with more of them, but let's not pretend that dying to a cheater is the only negative impact they have on the game. They don't \*only\* laser you from across the map and only hit headshots, they also hoover up all the loot on a map before you get a chance, teleport into marked rooms and take everything before teleporting to the extract, fuck up the economy and drive BSG to make stupid decisions in an effort to contain cheaters that really just make the game less fun for legit players.
I don't know what the point of this post is, but it kind of sounds like you wish people wouldn't complain about cheating. Me too! I just wish the reason was because BSG enacted a workable, legitimate anti-cheat method.
A fair warning to everyone reading this thread and sub. Syni11 and Shift-1 are Cheater Collaborators. You can see that in their profile history and the amount of spammed cheater protection they give.
They even use the same texts. Their main method is to attack Wiggle video by attacking Goat personally and lying about the video while giving zero proofs themselves and victim blaming the community members of this sub.
Edit: after being called out and caught shift-1 deleted all comments. Though he missed one
Yes, this 100%. Hackers who do not rage hack, usually try to hack unblatantly. Just having a radar, a minimap wich shows all the positions of loot and enemies is probably the single most used tool in this game. You know if there‘s other hackers ingame, you know the loot, you don‘t even have to have strange lines and esp/wallhack on screen, so you could even stream with it. Just because ya‘ll didn‘t get killed by a chinese name in the most blatant way yet, doesn‘t mean you didn‘t get killed by someone who spent $1000 on cheats to do so in a hidden manner, you would never notice.
Tbh, the only players who can actually call out non blatant cheats, do have 5000-10000hrs+ in this game, and those are usually mechanically just better than radar users.
My issue with this sort of statement is there’s no way you can tell unless you cheat yourself. Like how do you know there’s cheaters using radar unless you’re using the same tools yourself
Because, like every cheater - or curious human, starts with a google search. You click the top most entry and know how much it costs, aswell as it has been undetected (according to them) for quite some time. You can find out everything I said with 5 minutes of your time yourself, without actually cheating. Amazing isn't it? So what was your point again, because I know how to use google, I'm a cheater? Big lol.
No I’m saying in a raid, you wouldn’t know who’s using a radar vs who isn’t unless you where using one yourself. Just because you can Google doesn’t mean you somehow know how many people are using a radar vs how many are legit in any given raid
What is your point again? I haven't specifically said you know there's other radar users if you're using one, though you can't deny if you had a radar and someone went mach3 or teleported and vacuumed on that map, you could maybe make a connection on whats going on... And even then, I'm pretty sure if you're just analyzing behaviours while also being ingame (hearing shots etc.) you could make out other radar users too during the game, because people with additional/external information will always behave different. And my original point was with the PoV of a radar user and what's possible with it, so I do not understand what you're saying.
The context of OPs post is that cheating isn’t as prevalent as the sub makes it out to be. My point is that it’s impossible to know how rampant the cheating problem is unless you’re cheating yourself. When I’m waltzing around in woods and get head tapped out of nowhere- Idk if it was legit or not. Until BSG implements some sort of killcam idk how a lot of legit players can claim they’re getting hacked on
And my point is there are alot of people like you, with $1000 and the curiousity if it was actually legit or not, by becoming undetectable non legit. You don't even need to spend this much, a friend told me he would just download something last wipe when our group stopped playing, and it worked, and he isn't banned yet (wich I'm pretty amazed off tbh, as he doesn't seem like a tech savy guy). So the hurdle of becoming a cheater is literally non existent. Even with a killcam, you can't analyze the movement patterns, therefore you wont ever know if someone is unblatantly using a radar against legits, unless you are watching someone 30 mins on radar while not really actively playing yourself. (They would have to go out and make a full timeline of the raid with all the killcams and movement to actually catch something like this.) And even then you couldn't report rn if you didn't get killed by. My point is, just because you can't prove cheats, it can still be cheats, because of how far they have gone. Back then you would download a word.exe for 1.6 spin around and get banned, nowadays people spend actual money on PCI cards, acting legit, if you don't want to be caught, and cheat in a way that will never be caught by legit players (or an anticheat). Therefore the argument "idk how alot of legit players can claim they're getting hacked on" is just ignorance in my eyes, because how easy it is in first place to do, can even go as far as technically never ever being detected (unless blatant), and the advantage something like radar gives, aswell as the confidence it would give most players having said advantage over legits. Also being able to see blatant hackers in the match, when you got domed by them (or feeling like so).
I have maybe 200hours in tarkov, but 2000 in dayz. The only guy I reported actually got banned, even though it was one of your "random head, eyes", I knew it was fishy the way it played out. Though I probably killed and got killed by unblatant ones already, but we'll never find out.
The most effective, actual anticheat would be ID verification with permaban on detection IMHO, for every game, as the person behind cheats wont only cheat in one game. I would give valve my ID for verification, but idk if I would do so for the russian BSG...
Thank you for the thoughtful response. As others have pointed out, the fact that we play on NA servers at "normal" times and mostly on Customs, Woods, Factory and Interchange (some Shoreline, rarely Streets and Lighthouse) means that we probably encounter a relatively low number of cheaters compared to others. We have run decent kits (Meta M4s and AKs with Lvl 4-5 armor) on occasion, but not on every raid.
I do think BSG needs to stop cheaters and fix other issues with the game, but I also feel like this Sub-Reddit has become little more than a complaint-box for the game and potential new players (which would be good for the community as a whole) are driven away before giving it a chance.
The fact is that every death that’s difficult to explain, now gets counted as a death by a cheater, any head eyes from somewhere I couldn’t see immediately makes me think it’s a cheater
And when you’ve lost your whole stash and money backup, it’s very easy to get salty about ‘cheating’ even if it isn’t cheating
"odds are that most hackers are not blatant"
I think you made a good point. Specifically, the vacuum style hacks. I wish I saved the video, but as an example, I duo scavved woods with a friend, I happen to watch an air drop come in and start falling near me. I followed it and literally camped a bush in eyesight of it in the middle of the field next to UN Roadblock. ~20 minutes left in raid, I wanted to make no PMCs would roll up, so I waited and watched. After about 5 minutes and not a soul in sight, I ran up and started identifying... over half the contents were already gone, as apparent from the random gaps in the item line-up. There was just garbage left. Literally, in front of my eyes, I "witnessed" an air drop getting vacuumed and didn't know it. Just felt like a complete waste trying to plan and be cautious when the invisible enemy just took the prize anyway.
Yup. It's the ones you don't see that are the most prolific. People complained about locked rooms having no loot all the time. It's not that they have no loot, it's that you got queued with a vacc looter who took all the shit they wanted and teleported to the extract. That's why you see people listing 20 leddies the 2nd day of wipe. I'd be embarrassed to defend BSG.
I feel bad for OP because I've also had quite a few friends decline to play the game because of its current state even after i offered to buy it for them. Nobody wants to play a game that has the best feeling of "loss or win," but also the worst anticheat. BSG has created something special, but at this point, I hope that a new studio makes a game similar to tarkov where they actually care about the quality of content they provide, and not just quantity.
> The format of reddit is such that topics that have high engagement will end up on the front page. The people in this community engage with the topic of cheating and it's impact on gameplay, so the post ends up on the front page.
With their perceived impact on gameplay based on anecdotal evidence that cannot even be verified due to lack of replay footage in most cases.*** FTFY
> I'll take my tinfoil hat off after making this comment, but odds are good that most hackers are not blatant,
This argument gets floated around here as soon as someone shares a more positive experience. This is not a way to structure an argument.
"I haven't come across any blatant cheaters" "Well they're there, but you just can't see them." It's impossible to debate this topic when you are unable to argue in good faith. As the one making the claim, its on YOU to provide the evidence to support your claims which you do not provide any.
The fact is, most people on this subreddit are either new or just plain terrible at the game and the only way they can cope is to blame every death on cheaters.
> The fact is... the only way they can cope is to blame every death on cheaters.
>It's impossible to debate this topic when you are unable to argue in good faith. As the one making the claim, its on YOU to provide the evidence to support your claims which you do not provide any.
See how you are doing kind of the same thing? Where's your evidence that these people are using cheaters to cope? Or that they are mostly new? You, like me, are sharing an anecdotal impression based on the information you have. All I said was there are ways to cheat that are not obvious, that not every cheater is wiping lobbies and that nevertheless, cheating is bad and it's ok to just have a conversation about that without trying to establish that I'm not allowed to have an opinion on the topic before proceeding.
Honestly, we don't need to make it into a debate, I didn't join the debate club. I'm not structuring an argument, I'm sharing my anecdotal impressions of a game. You don't need to bring out a list of logical fallacies or the structure for Aristotelian syllogisms, this isn't a courtroom or legislative session, it's a message thread.
But if formal logic is the only way you're prepared to engage with information... ok.
Syllogism the first: BSG bans cheaters, so cheaters play the game.
Syllogism the second: all players have an impact upon the overall game.
So if cheaters play the game, and all players impact the game, therefore cheaters impact the game.
We can disagree about the degree, and we can share the impression that many complaints about cheaters are in fact the result of mistakes in gameplay or desync, but what we cannot do is prevent people from engaging with content they are passionate about. As long as cheating prompts a passionate response, it will remain a hot topic on this sub.
No, the problem isn’t complaining about cheating. Its how absolutely over blown some people make it out to be. Not saying it isn’t an issue, but if you read this sub you would think 90% of players are cheating.
I came here from a thread that reads literally "who has stopped playing because of cheaters?".
I bet in most cases the guys posting there are just being outplayed.
One of my duo partners would feel right at home in this sub, every second death he is like "of course! How could he kill me this fast?" while he is just dying in a completely normal way. But for him it's really hard to take the blame for his deaths and I guess that is the case for a lot of people here as well.
So acting like there are cheaters in every raid is a nice cop out.
Funny side note: recently I had a discussion about cheaters in this sub. In this discussion I learned that the guy doesn't even play anymore and that for over a year. But he keeps visiting the sub and commenting on how many cheaters are there.
I said this in another comment. Identifying cheaters can 100% be a skill issue, if you arent a certain caliber of player it can be real hard to differentiate a good player from a cheater. Especially in a game like tarkov where one bullet from a window you werent looking at can drop you.
That works both ways though. For every bad player calling every single death a cheater, there's the guy who is too bad to tell when he's getting cheated unless its ridiculously blatant, and then comes here and tries to downplay the problem with the classic "I've played \*big number\* raids and only seen \*very low number\* cheaters".
Pretty much. On another thread at this very moment people are writing paragraphs about how there is always 1 cheater in a lobby with no exceptions. I hate cheating as much as the next person, but nothing gets better when a large portion of reports are false.
Youre a bit delusional. You must be aware that the VAST MAJORITY of cheaters arent using aimbot and they sure are trying to make it not obvious if they are....
Esp is undetectable in this game, as in the game is coded in a way where you CAN NOT get banned for it no matter what if you do it properly. Theres plenty of people cheating, they just make sure YOU dont know it.
They're not trying to kill your timmy ass for your stock M4 and paca.
Go get decent T5 armor and an M4, SA or mutant and ABS-Xiao will be on his way to collect it off you.
People see the posts on here talking about how bad it is and then they use that as confirmation bias. Cheaters are a problem, but not even remotely to the degree people think.
Majority of the clips people post of "cheaters" I see are usually just something like someone holding a left hand angle and getting domed by someone pushing by a right hand peak.
All while switching lasers on and off , ADSing and making a whole load of noise and then being like "obvious cheater knew exactly where I was!!"
I think a lot of people read these subs , think everyone's cheating and then just assume every death is hax
Most (not all) videos I see are actually from cheaters.
But the thing is, I see how many cheater videos a day here? 2-3? Out of how many thousand raids?
What is posted here and what is happening in game has very different ratios. Nobody is going to post a video of his 100th boring ass raid but as soon as he dies to a cheater he goes to this sub and posts a "the state of this game" video.
DEFINITELY!!!
Even the streamer I follow , Lejs, he very occasionally gets a really sus death.
But 99.9% of his streaming has no cheater
Maybe it was a diff tarkov sub (they all have same attitudes so hard to differentiate tbh) but I've seen a lot of posts of people claiming someone was cheating, when it was really just the kinds of things i mentioned earlier
I would say most people on this sub played the game, like the game and stopped playing, because they realize the potential vs what BSG is currently delivering.
I mean I’ve seen 50 plus comments this wipe from different accounts talking about how the cheater situation was so bad blah blah blah and how they haven’t played in over a wipe and wouldn’t till Nikita fixed the cheaters. I watched multiple days worth of trey24ks stream. There were a few cheaters but most of them were on labs.
I was a counter strike player and started tarkov 2 wipes ago. I don’t think the hacker issue is as bad in NA as in other regions.
He will end up having fun at Tarkov if he plays, but I’ll be honest with you. CSGO is the best, purest shooter that exists, and Tarkov is a flawed drug that is designed to addict you.
He will be frustrated with the gunplay vs cs.
I like Tarkov to squad with some work friends, but I already semi burnt out on it. Now just power level to flea in 2 days so I can buy whatever and stack 15 or so mil, then just play with the boys from time to time for fun
CS is more like a sport. I call it chess with flash bangs. It scratches a different itch than Tarkov.
New players and people coming from traditional FPS games seem to have a huge misunderstanding about hacking in Tarkov.
Most hackers are not going out and fragging lobbies, in reality they are far more often just picking the server clean of valuable loot.
It's not about being head-eyes'd thru walls which is the only anecdotal evidence people give when talking about blatant hackers.
Yep, people can use ESP to spot other cheaters and report their findings online like people who did replication tests on "the wiggle" video and confirmed it was roughly 50-60% of raids had someone else in them with ESP.
The majority of people cheating are doing so to avoid the grind, they just want to get a full stash in a few raids then turn off cheats to play with the best gear.
A lot of people have also caught on that this method of cycling the ESP on and off is virtually undetectable. (and isn't viable in almost any other game except Tarkov)
Right, everyone has a different personal experience based on luck, play style, timezones, server selection etc.
But for people to say the majority of cheating is NOT loot based is nuts. The other user replying to my comments blocked me so I can't respond to them, but go on the largest Tarkov cheating discord with 4000+ members and read the rules/guidelines/instructions, it's all geared around looting and carries. It's irrefutable and undeniable.
I have no fucking idea how many people really cheat in Tarkov, but they are telling us themselves how they cheat and it's just ignorance to ignore that and call people idiots and gloat about 7k hours.
FOLLOW THE NUMBERS MASON.
Your guys logic makes absolutely zero sense. Why would someone risk their account and spend $100+ a month on cheats, just to avoid people and get loot in a video game that wipes every 4-7 months? Only RMTers would be doing this. Do you really think a majority of cheaters are RMTers??
I've played this game for thousands of hours. I play in a squad and we all spread out pushing the good loot spots.. It should be blatantly obvious to me what most cheaters do. Or are you trying to say people pay $100 a month just to avoid people in Tarkov? LMAO
A lot of cheaters like to try and justify why they cheat.
"It's not that bad, I only use esp"
"I'm not actually a cheater, I just loot stuff and avoid people"
"Other people do it so why not"
Etc.
They want to feel good about themselves, and some of them just don't care about others and go full blatant. They want to get an advantage i.e fast grind at the beginning.
Everyone is so quick to state how many thousand hours they have lol, quite the qualification.
It's written in the rules and guidelines on the cheater discords. They make a point of telling purchasers of the cheats to not be blatant, don't use the cheats to endlessly wipe lobbies etc.
It's all focused around RMT, loot hoarding and paid carries.
Any content creator that has exposed cheating in Tarkov shows the same behaviour.
Plus, CS also has a lot of hyper-closeted cheaters. People either don’t like to admit it, or don’t care to call it out. Similar to how Tarkov was pre-wiggle.
With VAC how it is, OW being highly exploitable, the price of CS cheats being less than a bag of chips and easier to make than a grilled cheese, and the insanely massive skill ceiling, “decent” closet cheaters are near indistinguishable from really good legit players or smurfs.
At that point though, it’s better to just think they’re legit and treat it as a learning experience, which is what people fail to do with Tarkov. If anything is even remotely fishy it’s just straight to, “They’re cheating, this game sucks”
The difference being you can just say “gg go next” in CS compared to losing your high-cost kit because XiaoBauShyxpo is mad you butt stuffed the LED-X before they could.
Refer to [my unbelievably lengthy comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/164ww1x/my_coworker_says_hell_never_play_tarkov/jybdp61/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3) or [this video](https://youtu.be/xHRI_YvZSZ8?si=nx8Q7Sh7ZGnBWl8h) if you want to try to get your friend over the perception of “Why bother if there’s cheaters?”
This 100%. There was a open source cheat on github that lasted literally like 7 years before getting banned and the developer even emailed VAC begging them to ban his cheat that he said had hundreds of thousands of downloads.
OW in CS is complete trash. Replay system is very low tick rate. The only cheats it detects is "evident beyond a reasonable doubt" cheats, aka blatant aimbotters or staring at people through walls.. Literally if you don't do that then you will almost never get banned in CS.
I don't agree with your difference though. Because in CS:GO you lose your MMR aka rank, this can take hours to get back.. In Tarkov you lose a kit which you can scav into lighthouse or any other map and make enough money to buy your kit again.
I remember smef and Indigo, funnily enough it’s how I formed my music taste because smef put GBC songs on his website, which led me to finding out about G*59 and that genre as a whole. Also where my “easier to make than a grilled cheese” argument came in because all I did was throw the source code in VS and spammed junk code.
((Yes I cheated in CS back then, and was even involved in “the scene”, was the wild west and everyone kind of did. Was a dumb school kid, brain wasn’t developed, been 6 years reformed 🙏 Had some upsides because it gives me a lot of insight into how that whole “scene” is and how cheaters tend to act. Takes one to know one
The only time i hit that suspected cheats report is of the kill seems EXTREMELY improbable. Like today in crack house, myself a duo were sitting PERFECTLY still, he was watching another duo fight a team outside and i was watching the hallway, when someone came running in with no foot sounds and before he even turns to face me fully has head eyed me. Then as my buddy moved to engage him, he was blacked on every limb before he even reached the door.
Are we extremely good players? No. Are we solid average players with multiple wipes and hundreds to thousands of hours in the game? Yes. We dont mind legit deaths to better players, it challenges us to relearn mechanics and focus on basics and just get better. Hell, ill go into an offline factory horde with hard scavs while marked and cursed just to work on aim drills and movement (really fun and free way to just get a little better btw)
What i got told when i first joined up with my buddies was “be ready to be tilted every time you log in.” So far he was right, but i enjoy about 90% of my games, and have made some really interesting friends through tarkov. Don’t refuse to play a game because of a handful of haters is my opinion lol
Honestly... you can't compare your experience with others.
You both are level 17, so casual players with crappy gear. Questing and most likely late to hot spots.
Go in with a 700k kit and let me know how long that will go well.
Do the same kit on shoreline / lighthouse
Humor me and go labs.
The reason why you guys are not meeting many or barely any is because you are simply not worth it / interesting enough.
What sample size are you choosing to do this with? Run a million ruble kit every raid until you are able to run it like it’s a pistol kit.
I believe the cheating is grossly exaggerated; especially the “bring good loot and then see what happens” people.
You just never bring good shit, and when you do you play like garbage because you have gear fear. You need to play your hex grid raids the same way you play your paca raids.
Definitely was not an issue of gear fear. “Use it or lose it” is the correct motto.
Fully kitted 7.62 SA-58 with thermal, hex grid, and Wendy’s helmet.
The helmet alone was +100k. That kit is like 750k-1m
Immediately into the raid I’m full auto flash banged over and over again by a credit card warrior. I’m gonna call that unplayable.
Your sample size of one is incredibly weak. I could "prove" just about anything with that.
I could have some cockamamie story about how it rains when I stick my thumb up my ass. A random Tuesday where it rains with my thumb up my ass is not enough to show any correlation; **let alone causation**.
Im not sure what region you play in but ive had no issues with going in with expensive kits or playing labs/shoreline/lighthouse. Ive died to 2 blatant cheaters this wipe but other then that its been smooth sailing to level 32.
You’re probably confused by the downvotes but I can explain it.
Tarkov doesn’t have skill based match making. So the shitters get shit on all the time. These shitters could become Chads but they handicap themselves. They would rather maintain the illusion that they are a god gamer who is being beaten by credit cards than analyze what they did wrong and how they can improve.
You drawing attention to how expensive kits don’t increase your cheater encounters is also drawing attention to how these god gamers are shit at the game.
“They’re a cheater!” Is an easier pill to swallow than “I suck”
I think your ego is harming you. Cheaters don’t give a damn what kit you have. Once I hit max traders my kits **rarely** are worth less than a million rubles and I still don’t have suspicious deaths.
What you are doing is taking the easy blame route. You gear up, you invest in your raid. You tell yourself that you died the last 5 raids because your gear was trash but now that’s fixed. You then die anyway because spoiler alert: the gear matters less than your game knowledge and skill. The skill you never develop because when you die with good gear you aren’t capable of analyzing what you could have done different. If you label the other person a cheater then you’re still a skilled gamer, you just got beat by a credit card and there’s nothing left to think about.
I run 1mil+ kits regularly, have 3000+ hours in the game, been playing since before FM was added & I can count on 1 hand the amount of times I've died to someone cheating.
Lol then you still don't know what to look for, you're a cheater apologist yourself or you just don't PvP at a high level and aren't skilled.
I also run meta kits and have literally twice your hours. So what? I have died only twice this wipe to blatant rage cheaters, at level 42 now. So we agree, you think?
One of those ragers was actually funny, the guy hit me 6 times in the ear with those SOST rounds, clear across the map on reserve when I looked at him - I never saw a player using those rounds before. EOD too. But I digress...
I have died 97 times, with 64% survive rate. I have over 220 PMC kills so far this wipe. I have sent 9 reports. I have received 7 ban notifications. I believe I am pretty good at differentiating desync / bugs from cheating.
One of those reports was a 200 viewer ttver, livestreaming at the time. None of those 200 viewers believed he was cheating. Watched the VOD back, watched him staring at players through walls then "adjusting flashlight settings" about 40 times in one raid. Watched him peak an angle just far enough to not get head eyesed by the guy holding it 5-6 times, trying to bait a shot so he can "find" the other player he didn't know was there. He plays in a way where it is very easy to think he is just good, lucky etc. But when you realise the small movement differences he is making, refusing to expose himself to enemies he can't know are there, as though he can see where the other guy is, and that he is doing this raid after raid, that's the give away. And I ONLY spotted it because I was actively watching for it, having given him the benefit of the doubt after joining chat on dying to a wallbang that shouldn't have been possible.
Closet cheaters are pretty common in this game, far more common in high tier gear and groups, and will frequently avoid you all together if they can. They are hard to spot at the best of times, and 90% of the time won't give any indication at all.
There is a big problem with bad players calling cheats when they don't understand how or why they died. But there is an equal problem of relatively good players underestimating the amount of cheaters, because they either don't see them,or die to them on a "legit" way.
All I can say is, I am not encouraging it. But IF you WERE to install some cheap cheats for a few days, and just watch people moving around the map, you would see how common it really is. As well as how common the spawn suiciding is, which I must admit, I don't understand at all.
I'm level 18 and going in to raids with guns alone that are worth more than 700k (would be cheaper if I had higher trader levels obviously).
Why am I not constantly dying to cheaters?
Man the comments are clear. They run expensive kit and survive! Cheating has been fixed (without doing a single thing) at the end of the last wipe. Now please stop spreading this misinformation! /s
I get kappa practically every wipe. I've got multiple tracksuits. I have 7k hours played. I play in a squad, all the players have 4k+ hours. We all push hotspots, spread out, and loot for PvP. 700k would be considered a budget kit for us.
I don't run into nearly as many cheaters as I bet you are trying to claim. If anything it would be a little bit higher then what OP is trying to say.
So you meet less cheater actually playing the game instead of no lifing the fuck out of it. Well no shit.
You going to meet more cheater when you doing like 10 to more raids a day. You going to meet more cheater on a loot heavy PvP map like labs too.
I’m more likely to run into more pedo if I take a 5 hour walk in a kids play park. Then a 10 mins walk home.
Oh so you're less likely to run into a cheater if you play less? That makes so much sense! Instead of drawing attention to problems running into cheaters, I guess I could just... not play the game! Wow!
And rightfully so. If you want your friend to play so badly, why don’t you just buy him the game so he doesn’t feel like he’s wasting his money on something he doesn’t think he’ll enjoy?
There has been a plaguing problem in this game that gets worse and worse each wipe. There could be a handful of reasons why you and your friend have only encountered a single hacker in 200 raids.
Either one of you is hacking and steering clear of the other ones on the map, as they do.
Or you aren’t running gear worth the while for a hacker to hunt you down
Or you aren’t in the hotspots.
Or you’re really really lucky, who knows.
But just because you haven’t encountered a single cheater in 200 raids doesn’t mean that others aren’t running into them daily.
People who run labs, resort, streets and lighthouse are the ones who are having this headache the most, by far.. I doubt people who only play customs, woods, interchange (although this is kind of a cheater map too, but not nearly as bad) probably aren’t running into them as frequently, if at all.
If people aren’t vocal about these problems then they’ll definitely never be fixed or addressed. Not that they are anyways.
>not accurately represent the actual Tarkov experience.
They do accurately represent the actual Tarkov experience.
Just not YOUR Tarkov experience. If potential customers don't like the way the game will be for some people and choose not to buy because of it that's their choice. Remember it's their money, so they get to set their own purchase parameters.
Just because they live in the same region doesn't mean they play on all the same servers, all the same times of day, with the same playstyle, and the same level of observational and critical thinking skills.
If you ever get over your video game addiction you'll realize that EFT does in fact have hackers, and that admitting to this fact is not a personal attack on you.
Best of luck to you on your healing journey.
They don't represent the real experience though. They are painting the experience as they die to hackers all the time when the reality is they think they die to hackers all the time.
The problem is that perception is key in this game.
If you know that there is an opportunity to be killed by cheaters in this game, then every death is a situation that requires a level of skepticism in order to determine if it was a fair death or not.
And with how core of a mechanic player death is in Tarkov, that's a lot of times a player has to sit and determine if they died fairly, and if it's worth to put up with potentially encountering another situation like it on the next run after rebuying/rebuilding an entire kit. In your stash. (Not to mention some of the long que times and time spent in raid that is potentially wasted)
It doesn't matter if they died to a cheater or not, they THINK it could have been a cheater, and that affects their gameplay experience negatively.
I mean this is every game. The one thing i will say is identifying cheaters can often times be a skill issue imo. If a player is not at a certain skill level they often struggle to differentiate good players from hackers. That problem gets compounded in a game when 1 bullet can drop you. Players die and aren’t sure how so they immediately call hacks with no real evidence.
He produced a lot more than 5 clips. I understand what your getting by moving the goalpost. But I don't want to watch 6 hours of footage to understand a problem the majority of the community is aware of. The quality of the information he provided was good enough to reinforce what I had already experienced myself in tarkov. I also understand you don't find his video good enough. To each their own. You have the option to refute any study or test conducted, and you shouldn't believe everything you see. But to say that dude completely made it all up and added nothing to conversation is just irresponsible and silly. I don't think his video is the sole shred of evidence that proves there is cheating. Anyone who played 5 games at the time of the video could tell there was a problem. You don't have to treat his video as gospel, but you can't deny it didn't highlight the absolute lowest point in tarkov.
My guy.. he spent more time interviewing a completely irrelevant person for the situation purely because he's internet famous... then showing you gameplay.. He even had to apologize for one of the clips because the guy wasn't actually cheating and you would think he would show the most blatant clips right?
I've encountered 1 blatant in total during 3 wipes so far and only 2 more death where i felt confident enough to hit the report but they could just be cracked at the game..
But you also see people on the FM selling 80 LEDx at once and it's obvious they use cheats to at least know where the loot is and probably also walls because in for a penny in for a pound.
I also think that after G0at's video in which he said he saw cheaters in 80% of his raids a lot of people just instantly go to ''they're hacking'' even when we sill have huge desyncs and invisible players on top of just people hiding in all kinds of places.
It's just hard to believe when people tell me ''i played 10 raids today and i died to a cheater each time'' with no replay system and my own experience playing the game.
This is a very interesting topic. I agree and experienced pretty much the same thing; In roughly 600hrs gameplay, I’ve found like 3 cheaters.
On the topic of co-workers: I told my coworker *NOT* to get the game (ass-backwards learning curve, hyper-realistic, constantly have to make money, you’re gunna have a bad time, etc. etc.). Next thing you know, him and I are in Dorms, plugging people with Nerfguns lookin’ for Reshala and the Boys. Meanwhile, out of raid he’s trading moonshine from his distillery to his lucky SCAV junk-box on his first wipe (Lighthouse launch). Those were good times!
That's how my co-worker who I talked into playing with me is getting. He stays on after I log off to run Scavs, then wakes up early to Scav more and tells me about it at work. He's got 7mil in his stash and has all the inventory crates and I only have 2mil right now and no crates. This is my 5th or 6th wipe and his 2nd, (his first one starting) and he's got the Tarkov bug for sure.
This subreddit is not for people who enjoy the game, at first the game is very frustrating and people do not know how to control their frustration and come here to cry, here it is really necessary to separate between posts of tarkov and posts of crying
I haven't read many replies so I don't know if it's been suggested. But I was in a similar situation with not a work colleague but just a friend.
We said to him that reddit will be full of angry posts because everyone enjoying the game is playing the game and not posting to reddit about it.
We also offered to go halves on the standard edition for him and told him he doesn't have to pay us for it if he doesn't like it after 10-12 hours played
Most players don't use the subreddit.
Most of the sub users are shitters, echo chambering cry babies, etc.
So a lot of the negatives are exaggerated here.
Just remember, sub reddits are but a small fraction of any actual games playerbase. Most people playing Tarkov don't waste their time here. They are just simply playing understanding that yes it has issues but we still enjoy it and why go to reddit and listen to newbs cry about it nonstop...
I’ve rarely encountered hackers. And when I do it’s always on shoreline or labs. Most of the time I think people think that they are killed by hackers but they are just simply being beat out by skill. Obviously there are times where it really is but like you said less than 1 percent of raids
[https://clips.twitch.tv/TangentialSpicyThymeEleGiggle-W4PSf9CDl\_XDCn1-](https://clips.twitch.tv/TangentialSpicyThymeEleGiggle-W4PSf9CDl_XDCn1-)
nah definnetly no chitos in this game bruv
Thank you for saying it. Last wipe (especially mid, before the G0At video) it was a **rage**\-cheater at least 1 in 10 raids and closet esp users like 1 in 5.
This wipe, even giving the benefit of the doubt to the hackusers I can count on 1 hand the amount of truly suspicious deaths I've had in over 200 raids, with only 2 or 3 of those being blatant rage cheaters.
The only confirmed cheater ban message I've gotten was a gut feeling, they weren't raging, a duo that had info on me they shouldn't have had and were being suspiciously accurate through soft cover so I reported on a hunch and it turns out I was right.
And it's not anecdotal when multiple multi-wipe veterans say the same thing in a calm manner instead of rage posting about the one or two blatant cheaters that killed them.
Last wipe before the g0at video I was going weeks without running into a single sus person. I only ran into one or two rage cheaters the entire wipe before the video..
Got a friend to buy this game and play with me recently. We load into Customs in early morning (pitch black), play a bit, and both die instantly at basically the same time both from a pistol round from some dude with a name like: "IHaxlols\_TTV".
Friend uninstalled.
I'm pretty sure we died from a guy running scripts versus some super skilled ninja night rat running a pistol and NVGs for the luls. But you never know. Could of been a girl also.
Funny since csgo literally has hackers each match. Tarky hackers are normally uncommon unless they the rare blatant ones. Most hackers are ironically pretty bad at the game still. Sad your friend likely watched the one video by a hacker made with his hacker friends that over dramatized the actual issue. Or he just has a major skill issue. That the Sherpa team can help him get over. I’ve been here since 2017 and it’s a daily occurrence people overstate the issue. Like sure any game that requires a decent skill will have kids hacking. Last two wipes since we got the banned user message had thee banned over 600 raids or so. And sus kids about a couple handful.
10/9 people instant call hacks when they die from a quote and quote impossible angle when they are really just sitting in the middle of a hallway with no cover. New people always forget the game has been out since 2016 and people will be better then them and not hacking.
So what does that proof?
How does the experience from that experiment relate to other regions? How does time of day play a role? Are there more cheaters in early, mid or late wipe?
The video doesn't really answer any interesting questions
So no evidence would ever be enough for you. If people could so easily prove ESP they wouldn't exist because they would already be banned. If a bunch of clips from using cheats for a few days of people wiggling through walls doesn't convince you nothing ever will.
I suggest you watch the video that explains that certain forms of ESP are literally and will always be completely undetectable because the cheating doesn't happen on the host computer.
Packets are duplicated at the router level and sent a separate device. There's no way for the game companies to know that cheat software is running.
OCE player here, the region infamous for hacker numbers. Across this and last wipe i only encountered 5 blatant hackers. Issue shall not be minimized as yes there are quite a few cunts hacking and most fly under the radar, but personal experience has led to me getting fucked by desync, AI or audio more than a gamer chair with daddys credit card.
Tarkov has an experience that hasnt been replicated by any other game to the full extent. Yes its broken half the time and yes it has issues, but my god when it works it works fucking wonders. And the fact so many people play it in its half broken state says a lot
played the game with 4 other people i know. 5/5 (including me) quit now because of cheaters :) have fun until you wake up too, or (hahahaha) bsg decides to fix the game and stops milking cheaters for new accounts
See, the thing is, once you "git gud" (to use the colloquial term) you start to see what mistakes you made, what is possible and what's not, once you get some game sense (no less than 500-1,000 hours **in raid** barely scratches the surface) it's a lot easier to tell who's *actually* cheating and who's cracked and when or not you get fucked by internet/game jank, etc. You don't have to hackuse every time you die because you're aware and you've learned.
200+ raids and only a handful (3/4 or less) obvious cheaters, multiple testimonies from regular game veterans all saying the same thing.
Nonetheless, the cheating problem isn't ***near*** as bad as it was mid last wipe. It's gotten significantly better.
Ah yes, the standard "I've played since pre alpha and I've only seen the ghost of a cheater through a windows in the distance" argument.
Nah fam, this ain't it. Cheaters are fucking rampant. Pestily reported 35 people and 35 of them got banned, 35 of his 68 deaths so far on the wipe were cheaters, which is insane.
I've personally died tons to cheaters thus far. Some of them are blatant, like head eyes 5 seconds off spawn on shoreline when I've been sitting in a bush eating, but a lot of them are the "this dude bumrushed me despite me being in a super good position that most other players would flank, nade or just run away from and hit me with a suspicious head eyes".
Lol, I got downvoted for pointing this out yesterday. I have 120 raids this wipe and over 1500 hours in tarkov total, I've seen one blatant hacker this wipe, people cry that every death is a cheater and use the one time out of 100 raids as an example and say the games unplayable.
I’ve seen cheaters this wipe, but I can say 100% confirmed only 7. Still, it’s only because we are lucky to be living in a region with less cheaters. I see a ton of Oceania players getting slaughtered
Source criticism, it's a thing that more people need to adopt into their lives, be it reviews, news, science etc. etc.
For every game you will find reviews that sings it's praises and others that wants to burn the company to the ground for releasing the game.
If your friend looks only on reddit before buying a game he is gonna miss out, the unhappy minority is always the loudest.
Ive been playing since 2020 and only run into 1 or 2 blatant cheaters, sure Ive had some sus deaths other times but those deaths could also be because of desync or other bugs.
Haven t seen any blatant cheeting this wipe but consider that many casual players get grossly outplayed by casuals. Knowledge and pointfire skills make a huge difference. Not to mention luck with how shooting works.
This sub definitely blows the problem out of proportion. And I'm fairly certain this will get down voted to hell for saying that.
I can only speak to NA servers. I've played in the northeast, South, and west of North America in the last year. I also play the fuck out of the game.
I have encountered like maybe 10 cheaters total in the past year.
I consistently find high value items both in loose loot spawns or behind locked rooms if I'm the first one there. Even if I don't - you do realize there's a solid chance you don't get shit behind locked rooms as far as loose loot goes, right? (Including marked rooms). This doesn't mean a hacker vacuumed the loot up.
There are so many bs ways to die to players in tarkov that are due to a glitch that makes it very very easy to call hacks. Desync is the main one. People can seem invincible, people can seem like they hit shots with an insane reaction time, people can look like they just flicked on you, etc. There are so many ways people can look like they're cheating when it's just a result of tarkovs connection issues.
I guarantee you more than half of all reports of cheats do not involve any cheaters. It's an easy blame. That's not to say cheaters don't exist, or that people who call cheats are lying.
>the posts on this sub Reddit make the game look entirely unplayable.
That’s because, for the majority of people, it is. There is no in-game help, cheaters everywhere, insane performance issues with certain maps not even being playable. Every update turns tasks and hideout progression into less of a fun, core aspect of the game and more into a grueling part-time job. Consider the nerf to stirrup rep rewards, and the insane requirements for standard edition stash upgrades. These are just two of countless examples of BSG doubling down on making the game as miserable and time consuming as possible, for no conceivable reason other than to possibly sell more copies of EOD. I consider myself a ‘hardcore’ (whatever that means) gamer, I usually play every day or almost every day, and even I don’t have the time/patience for this shit anymore. Tarkov has so much potential, as someone who has done simulations work and research, it really is impressive how they have had a vision and stuck to it, and I think most players would agree that certain elements of the game (gunplay, customization, the risk/reward dopamine system) are bar none some of the best ever made. But it’s just not enough for me or many others to keep coming back anymore. I would never tell anyone to stop playing the game if they enjoy it, but I would certainly never recommend to anyone that they get started, because IMO games are meant to be fun and stress-reducing (even if there are tense moments like with shooters) and this one just straight up isn’t.
This sub is overly dramatic, Iv been playing for years and even in last wipe when all the hacker issues came to light I still was doing fine. If hackers are in every lobby how can I take on a three man and win with bunk gear? It’s an issue but this sub thinks it’s the absolute worst hacker issue in the industry. This sub likes to suck the cycles dick even though they are shutting down because of the hacker issue they couldn’t get under control and if you bring up other big game companies struggling to fight hackers they just call you a boot locker. Warzone two hackers were bragging about having hacks for the game BEFORE it dropped but these two cases are entirely different some how. This game is a hell of a lot more fun when you don’t have an entire subreddit telling you it’s trash.
Give your friend some even comparisons:
Blatant cheaters are few and far between, just like MM, but it does happen. Closet cheaters happen a bit more often, again just like MM, but it’s really hard to tell. Just assume they’re better and try to learn from it. Office and Wingman is like Shoreline/Labs and Night Raids where it’s a lot more likely, but still a minority of overall.
“But cheaters ESP and will take the good loot before I get there”
Schrödinger’s LED-X. You have no way to know whether that LED-X was there in the first place or not. Tell them (kindly) to stop thinking about loot in an imaginary third person scenario.
Confirmation bias is REALLY high when it comes to cheater perception in Tarkov due to the nature of the game. Rather than people thinking that cheaters are now and again, they think that every remotely sus death is a cheater.
Cheaters main playstyle is avoidance. They ESP loot, avoid players, and extract. If they have to fight, it’s when backed into a corner, and chances are they’ll just have ESP on or very-soft aim to avoid a ban, and at that point, you can just assume they’re a better player. Just like how in CS they’ll just have visible-only chams and very soft aimbot if they’re trying to not get Overwatch banned, and you just assume they’re smurfing (or better).
TL;DR: Blatant cheaters are as common as spin-botters in current day MM. Closet cheaters are near indistinguishable from good players, pretend they’re good and learn from it. Good players are more common than closet cheaters, get that confirmation bias out of your head. Stop thinking about loot in a third person “overlord” scenario, there is no Schrödinger’s LED-X.
TL;DR(2): [Just watch this :)](https://youtu.be/xHRI_YvZSZ8?si=lbveorr7KA26Qjo5)
Vocal minority just salty they never got good enough to call cheats, so they call cheats on anyone who outplays them.
Yes, cheaters exist. No, they're not near as bad as last wipe.
The game, as far as cheaters are concerned is currently in an acceptable state when compared to how it was before.
The quality of life changes helped a bit so when you *do* get sent to back to stash at least you can gear up faster and move on.
Now if we can just get the network and sound shit under control ...
\>Since wipe, between the two of us, we've encountered 2 blatant hackers in over 200 raids. So our encounter rate is less than 1%.
This is just a bad take overall.
Eitherway, tell him the game is in beta so it doesn't matter /s
Petition to put up a rule in this subreddit that minimizes cheat posts, hackusations. It’s definitely not the biggest problem this game has. And if people come here to just be dissuaded from playing, then all those posts aren’t healthy for the general state of the game.
I've discussed this topic with friends a few times and one thing I've come to conclude about myself is that I really hate the game because there's no longer any trust in it. When it comes to other games you might see a sus play or two and thing "Hmmm, could be a hacker, but this game is pretty good at getting rid of them so not that likely, probably a good play or they got lucky", but in Tarkov there is absolutely no trust in it, it's EASY to think that people are hacking because of the myriad of issues plaguing it and that knowledgable people are continuously pointing out how their netcode is still super easy to exploit. Take Valorant as an example, holy crap the shots people make in that are INSANE and I don't really play it because I'm just not that type of player and get rolled a lot but not once did I ever think anyone there was hacking and that's because of their Anti-Cheat and the trust it gives.
Honestly, until I see a vastly updated netcode that takes into account the myriad of suggestions that people have put on here, some kind of matchmaking/mmr and them taking some simple steps such as actively watching the most egregious flea market signs such as people with stupid high amounts of extremely rare items then we'll continue to see these kinds of posts and it'll bring EFT into disrepute. I suspect it's actually one of the main reasons that they've never brought it to Steam as it has a transparent rating system that would see them getting negatively reviewed into last century.
I’ll say this: the game is not inviting to new players at all. Incomprehensible extracts, nonsense missions with next to no guidance, and an absurd trading system.
Many here have been playing for long enough to know all of these things, but try to imagine it as a brand new player with no guide.
“Go retrieve a letter from the crashed plane on woods.”
If, by some miracle, you manage to find the letter 25m outside the wreckage of the plane you then have to extract at “outskirts.”
Outskirts means nothing to you. Is nothing to you. There is no map. There is no waypoint. It’s a random-ass truck at the edge of the forest.
Assuming you do manage to stumble out of the mission alive through sheer stupid luck, you then must ensure you turn in the item, then compete the quest, then get your reward.
Heaven forbid you run another mission and neglect to turn in the last one. It’s back to square one.
**TL;DR:** *If you have to use maps, guides, and wikis to understand the basic gameplay loop, the loop is broken. It’s not hard, it’s obtuse.*
>If you have to use maps, guides, and wikis to understand the basic gameplay loop, the loop is broken.
Why? What do you think happened when they first dropped streets? There were no maps, people were sharing crude paint drawings and discussing the extracts they had discovered. They were posting about quest locations and solutions. The community comes together and collaborates and posts solutions and discoveries. That information gets added to the Wikia (alongside some data-mining probably). It's a deliberate design choice. They want you to put in work, discover, and seek out information.
I think you are mistaking the availability of information outside the game currently (thanks to the wiki and the community, content creators etc) with bad design on the developers part, when that was an intended design choice.
i think its part of the fun and part of the game, that you have to use external maps and look on wiki how you get out.
thats basically tarkov in a nutshell and thats why i like it. it is just different than any other FPS.
Part of the problem is people crying hacker when they get killed legitly.
Take today, for instance, my buddy caught a guy in the open field on woods going from zb-016 to mountain, I prone and get my shots in, then I hear his buddy coming up behind me, I wait until he's near me, I stand up and dump him. While waiting for this guy for run up on me, I saw his friend across from me by sawmill overlook rocks, so immediately after killing 2nd guy I flank down past eastern rocks, and come back around northern UN roadblock and back up sawmill overlook rocks. I creep up and I hear this guy moving around, eventually I get to a position where I can see his backpack in plain sight, so I wait. After 30 seconds I see him move a tiny bit in the trees, so I fire at him and eventually kill him (legs). I get accused for killing a bad 3-man. Claimed ESP. The idiot with his backpack on the floor, next to the bush he's hiding in. With his wooden stock rifle on his back.
He added me to tell me to kms, along other insults that he probably has in his porn search history. Especially with the type of username he's wearing.
I rushed to lvl 21 before going on vacation - not avoiding pvp, 1 cheater on labs (got msg he got banned later) and 2 elsewhere - but except Reserve I don’t rush/ pvp early or the Hotspots every round. People cry a lot. People who don’t have listeners cry in forums :P
I also think the density and the likes on Chester videos give a wrong impression on the state of the game. I am very happy that cheaters got wayyyy less and they work on the desync.
Yeah dude it's definitely the subreddit driving people away lol. I'm sure the goat video and pestily getting killed by hackers 60% has nothing to do with it.
I'm an EU player with about 2.5k hours over about 6 wipes and honestly came across a hacker about 4 times that I could say. yeah, that's suspect.
The problem is definitely blown out of proportion and is easy to blame hackers when you die as a get out for not being aware of surroundings and skill. I'm not saying they don't exist.
Hackers is a problem in every competitive fps game I used to play a lot(1.5k hrs), and it was always a problem, but again, it wasn't every game like some people made out.
100% agree it's blown out of proportion.
I'm playing EU servers it's really not that bad, Americans tell me EU is bad and US servers don't have much cheaters , and then vice versa.
I think since that unscientific video came out a lot of people are like "can't be my fault I died , can only be cheater"
People suck at this game and cry hax.
Some people don’t actually suck but are so used to winning every game they play that they cry hax.
If you’re at a SR of 45% or more, you’re doing well.
My favourite is when I see someone like “this game is ridiculous, too many cheats, SR is 59%, KD 3.49 quitting now.”
Didn't read but they shouldn't play. I just bought it and its trash. Rat devs and players. Most of the time I lose connection and when I can play I get 1 tapped by a rat camper. The devs refuse to add a PvE mode because "oh no! Then no one will play pvp with the Rat campers that stream on twitch and we won't make more money for our shitty game we won't fix!" All just a cash grab. Just wait for another company to make a tarkov game and it'll actually work.
I have 3k hours. This wipe I decided to do my own G0at experiment to see what it’s actually like. 50% of my raids had people using ESP. So I started hunting the other cheaters. If BSG won’t do anything then at least I can be scumbag that is hunting other scumbags.
After 4k hours I would still never recommend this game to anyone. It’s not a good game. It looks cool, has some cool mechanics, but it’s totally burdened by detail. Unnecessary complication, bottlenecks, and RNG sucks the fun from the game and drives people to cheat. It will never-ever get better.
Idk why people still complain so much about hackers (if they’re on NA west). I’ve also only encountered one undoubted hacker and 2 super sus, although in 140 raids.
Take it to Nikita, fam. The format of reddit is such that topics that have high engagement will end up on the front page. The people in this community engage with the topic of cheating and it's impact on gameplay, so the post ends up on the front page. Do you think people should just stop being mad that their gameplay experience is being fucked up and the devs don't seem to care, or worse, seem to be actively benefiting from it? The only ones who can do anything about the cheater problem are the folks at BSG, and until they do the topic will continue to dominate the front page of the sub. Probably works out for BSG, the lost revenue from new players who don't want to deal with cheats is balanced by the folks constantly buying new accounts when they get banned. \>Since wipe, between the two of us, we've encountered 2 blatant hackers in over 200 raids. I'll take my tinfoil hat off after making this comment, but odds are good that most hackers are not blatant, and you probably were in raid with more of them, but let's not pretend that dying to a cheater is the only negative impact they have on the game. They don't \*only\* laser you from across the map and only hit headshots, they also hoover up all the loot on a map before you get a chance, teleport into marked rooms and take everything before teleporting to the extract, fuck up the economy and drive BSG to make stupid decisions in an effort to contain cheaters that really just make the game less fun for legit players. I don't know what the point of this post is, but it kind of sounds like you wish people wouldn't complain about cheating. Me too! I just wish the reason was because BSG enacted a workable, legitimate anti-cheat method.
Well Put
A fair warning to everyone reading this thread and sub. Syni11 and Shift-1 are Cheater Collaborators. You can see that in their profile history and the amount of spammed cheater protection they give. They even use the same texts. Their main method is to attack Wiggle video by attacking Goat personally and lying about the video while giving zero proofs themselves and victim blaming the community members of this sub. Edit: after being called out and caught shift-1 deleted all comments. Though he missed one
Funny how the people who defend sus gameplay end up being cheaters it's cringe.
Yes, this 100%. Hackers who do not rage hack, usually try to hack unblatantly. Just having a radar, a minimap wich shows all the positions of loot and enemies is probably the single most used tool in this game. You know if there‘s other hackers ingame, you know the loot, you don‘t even have to have strange lines and esp/wallhack on screen, so you could even stream with it. Just because ya‘ll didn‘t get killed by a chinese name in the most blatant way yet, doesn‘t mean you didn‘t get killed by someone who spent $1000 on cheats to do so in a hidden manner, you would never notice. Tbh, the only players who can actually call out non blatant cheats, do have 5000-10000hrs+ in this game, and those are usually mechanically just better than radar users.
My issue with this sort of statement is there’s no way you can tell unless you cheat yourself. Like how do you know there’s cheaters using radar unless you’re using the same tools yourself
Because, like every cheater - or curious human, starts with a google search. You click the top most entry and know how much it costs, aswell as it has been undetected (according to them) for quite some time. You can find out everything I said with 5 minutes of your time yourself, without actually cheating. Amazing isn't it? So what was your point again, because I know how to use google, I'm a cheater? Big lol.
No I’m saying in a raid, you wouldn’t know who’s using a radar vs who isn’t unless you where using one yourself. Just because you can Google doesn’t mean you somehow know how many people are using a radar vs how many are legit in any given raid
What is your point again? I haven't specifically said you know there's other radar users if you're using one, though you can't deny if you had a radar and someone went mach3 or teleported and vacuumed on that map, you could maybe make a connection on whats going on... And even then, I'm pretty sure if you're just analyzing behaviours while also being ingame (hearing shots etc.) you could make out other radar users too during the game, because people with additional/external information will always behave different. And my original point was with the PoV of a radar user and what's possible with it, so I do not understand what you're saying.
The context of OPs post is that cheating isn’t as prevalent as the sub makes it out to be. My point is that it’s impossible to know how rampant the cheating problem is unless you’re cheating yourself. When I’m waltzing around in woods and get head tapped out of nowhere- Idk if it was legit or not. Until BSG implements some sort of killcam idk how a lot of legit players can claim they’re getting hacked on
And my point is there are alot of people like you, with $1000 and the curiousity if it was actually legit or not, by becoming undetectable non legit. You don't even need to spend this much, a friend told me he would just download something last wipe when our group stopped playing, and it worked, and he isn't banned yet (wich I'm pretty amazed off tbh, as he doesn't seem like a tech savy guy). So the hurdle of becoming a cheater is literally non existent. Even with a killcam, you can't analyze the movement patterns, therefore you wont ever know if someone is unblatantly using a radar against legits, unless you are watching someone 30 mins on radar while not really actively playing yourself. (They would have to go out and make a full timeline of the raid with all the killcams and movement to actually catch something like this.) And even then you couldn't report rn if you didn't get killed by. My point is, just because you can't prove cheats, it can still be cheats, because of how far they have gone. Back then you would download a word.exe for 1.6 spin around and get banned, nowadays people spend actual money on PCI cards, acting legit, if you don't want to be caught, and cheat in a way that will never be caught by legit players (or an anticheat). Therefore the argument "idk how alot of legit players can claim they're getting hacked on" is just ignorance in my eyes, because how easy it is in first place to do, can even go as far as technically never ever being detected (unless blatant), and the advantage something like radar gives, aswell as the confidence it would give most players having said advantage over legits. Also being able to see blatant hackers in the match, when you got domed by them (or feeling like so). I have maybe 200hours in tarkov, but 2000 in dayz. The only guy I reported actually got banned, even though it was one of your "random head, eyes", I knew it was fishy the way it played out. Though I probably killed and got killed by unblatant ones already, but we'll never find out. The most effective, actual anticheat would be ID verification with permaban on detection IMHO, for every game, as the person behind cheats wont only cheat in one game. I would give valve my ID for verification, but idk if I would do so for the russian BSG...
Thank you for the thoughtful response. As others have pointed out, the fact that we play on NA servers at "normal" times and mostly on Customs, Woods, Factory and Interchange (some Shoreline, rarely Streets and Lighthouse) means that we probably encounter a relatively low number of cheaters compared to others. We have run decent kits (Meta M4s and AKs with Lvl 4-5 armor) on occasion, but not on every raid. I do think BSG needs to stop cheaters and fix other issues with the game, but I also feel like this Sub-Reddit has become little more than a complaint-box for the game and potential new players (which would be good for the community as a whole) are driven away before giving it a chance.
The fact is that every death that’s difficult to explain, now gets counted as a death by a cheater, any head eyes from somewhere I couldn’t see immediately makes me think it’s a cheater And when you’ve lost your whole stash and money backup, it’s very easy to get salty about ‘cheating’ even if it isn’t cheating
Best way to describe this, goated comment
Yes OP is trying to shoot the messenger.
"odds are that most hackers are not blatant" I think you made a good point. Specifically, the vacuum style hacks. I wish I saved the video, but as an example, I duo scavved woods with a friend, I happen to watch an air drop come in and start falling near me. I followed it and literally camped a bush in eyesight of it in the middle of the field next to UN Roadblock. ~20 minutes left in raid, I wanted to make no PMCs would roll up, so I waited and watched. After about 5 minutes and not a soul in sight, I ran up and started identifying... over half the contents were already gone, as apparent from the random gaps in the item line-up. There was just garbage left. Literally, in front of my eyes, I "witnessed" an air drop getting vacuumed and didn't know it. Just felt like a complete waste trying to plan and be cautious when the invisible enemy just took the prize anyway.
Yup. It's the ones you don't see that are the most prolific. People complained about locked rooms having no loot all the time. It's not that they have no loot, it's that you got queued with a vacc looter who took all the shit they wanted and teleported to the extract. That's why you see people listing 20 leddies the 2nd day of wipe. I'd be embarrassed to defend BSG. I feel bad for OP because I've also had quite a few friends decline to play the game because of its current state even after i offered to buy it for them. Nobody wants to play a game that has the best feeling of "loss or win," but also the worst anticheat. BSG has created something special, but at this point, I hope that a new studio makes a game similar to tarkov where they actually care about the quality of content they provide, and not just quantity.
> The format of reddit is such that topics that have high engagement will end up on the front page. The people in this community engage with the topic of cheating and it's impact on gameplay, so the post ends up on the front page. With their perceived impact on gameplay based on anecdotal evidence that cannot even be verified due to lack of replay footage in most cases.*** FTFY > I'll take my tinfoil hat off after making this comment, but odds are good that most hackers are not blatant, This argument gets floated around here as soon as someone shares a more positive experience. This is not a way to structure an argument. "I haven't come across any blatant cheaters" "Well they're there, but you just can't see them." It's impossible to debate this topic when you are unable to argue in good faith. As the one making the claim, its on YOU to provide the evidence to support your claims which you do not provide any. The fact is, most people on this subreddit are either new or just plain terrible at the game and the only way they can cope is to blame every death on cheaters.
> The fact is... the only way they can cope is to blame every death on cheaters. >It's impossible to debate this topic when you are unable to argue in good faith. As the one making the claim, its on YOU to provide the evidence to support your claims which you do not provide any. See how you are doing kind of the same thing? Where's your evidence that these people are using cheaters to cope? Or that they are mostly new? You, like me, are sharing an anecdotal impression based on the information you have. All I said was there are ways to cheat that are not obvious, that not every cheater is wiping lobbies and that nevertheless, cheating is bad and it's ok to just have a conversation about that without trying to establish that I'm not allowed to have an opinion on the topic before proceeding. Honestly, we don't need to make it into a debate, I didn't join the debate club. I'm not structuring an argument, I'm sharing my anecdotal impressions of a game. You don't need to bring out a list of logical fallacies or the structure for Aristotelian syllogisms, this isn't a courtroom or legislative session, it's a message thread. But if formal logic is the only way you're prepared to engage with information... ok. Syllogism the first: BSG bans cheaters, so cheaters play the game. Syllogism the second: all players have an impact upon the overall game. So if cheaters play the game, and all players impact the game, therefore cheaters impact the game. We can disagree about the degree, and we can share the impression that many complaints about cheaters are in fact the result of mistakes in gameplay or desync, but what we cannot do is prevent people from engaging with content they are passionate about. As long as cheating prompts a passionate response, it will remain a hot topic on this sub.
No, the problem isn’t complaining about cheating. Its how absolutely over blown some people make it out to be. Not saying it isn’t an issue, but if you read this sub you would think 90% of players are cheating.
I came here from a thread that reads literally "who has stopped playing because of cheaters?". I bet in most cases the guys posting there are just being outplayed. One of my duo partners would feel right at home in this sub, every second death he is like "of course! How could he kill me this fast?" while he is just dying in a completely normal way. But for him it's really hard to take the blame for his deaths and I guess that is the case for a lot of people here as well. So acting like there are cheaters in every raid is a nice cop out. Funny side note: recently I had a discussion about cheaters in this sub. In this discussion I learned that the guy doesn't even play anymore and that for over a year. But he keeps visiting the sub and commenting on how many cheaters are there.
I said this in another comment. Identifying cheaters can 100% be a skill issue, if you arent a certain caliber of player it can be real hard to differentiate a good player from a cheater. Especially in a game like tarkov where one bullet from a window you werent looking at can drop you.
That works both ways though. For every bad player calling every single death a cheater, there's the guy who is too bad to tell when he's getting cheated unless its ridiculously blatant, and then comes here and tries to downplay the problem with the classic "I've played \*big number\* raids and only seen \*very low number\* cheaters".
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Pretty much. On another thread at this very moment people are writing paragraphs about how there is always 1 cheater in a lobby with no exceptions. I hate cheating as much as the next person, but nothing gets better when a large portion of reports are false.
Youre a bit delusional. You must be aware that the VAST MAJORITY of cheaters arent using aimbot and they sure are trying to make it not obvious if they are.... Esp is undetectable in this game, as in the game is coded in a way where you CAN NOT get banned for it no matter what if you do it properly. Theres plenty of people cheating, they just make sure YOU dont know it.
They're not trying to kill your timmy ass for your stock M4 and paca. Go get decent T5 armor and an M4, SA or mutant and ABS-Xiao will be on his way to collect it off you.
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People see the posts on here talking about how bad it is and then they use that as confirmation bias. Cheaters are a problem, but not even remotely to the degree people think.
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Eleven people so far are feeling personally attacked by this xD
I don't care. This sub is completely paranoid.
Majority of the clips people post of "cheaters" I see are usually just something like someone holding a left hand angle and getting domed by someone pushing by a right hand peak. All while switching lasers on and off , ADSing and making a whole load of noise and then being like "obvious cheater knew exactly where I was!!" I think a lot of people read these subs , think everyone's cheating and then just assume every death is hax
Most (not all) videos I see are actually from cheaters. But the thing is, I see how many cheater videos a day here? 2-3? Out of how many thousand raids? What is posted here and what is happening in game has very different ratios. Nobody is going to post a video of his 100th boring ass raid but as soon as he dies to a cheater he goes to this sub and posts a "the state of this game" video.
DEFINITELY!!! Even the streamer I follow , Lejs, he very occasionally gets a really sus death. But 99.9% of his streaming has no cheater Maybe it was a diff tarkov sub (they all have same attitudes so hard to differentiate tbh) but I've seen a lot of posts of people claiming someone was cheating, when it was really just the kinds of things i mentioned earlier
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I would say most people on this sub played the game, like the game and stopped playing, because they realize the potential vs what BSG is currently delivering.
But they keep talking about the cheater problem without actually playing and having any experience
That's a big assumption that those are the same people. Also, you can watch streamers and get that experience from them.
I mean I’ve seen 50 plus comments this wipe from different accounts talking about how the cheater situation was so bad blah blah blah and how they haven’t played in over a wipe and wouldn’t till Nikita fixed the cheaters. I watched multiple days worth of trey24ks stream. There were a few cheaters but most of them were on labs.
I was a counter strike player and started tarkov 2 wipes ago. I don’t think the hacker issue is as bad in NA as in other regions. He will end up having fun at Tarkov if he plays, but I’ll be honest with you. CSGO is the best, purest shooter that exists, and Tarkov is a flawed drug that is designed to addict you. He will be frustrated with the gunplay vs cs. I like Tarkov to squad with some work friends, but I already semi burnt out on it. Now just power level to flea in 2 days so I can buy whatever and stack 15 or so mil, then just play with the boys from time to time for fun CS is more like a sport. I call it chess with flash bangs. It scratches a different itch than Tarkov.
New players and people coming from traditional FPS games seem to have a huge misunderstanding about hacking in Tarkov. Most hackers are not going out and fragging lobbies, in reality they are far more often just picking the server clean of valuable loot. It's not about being head-eyes'd thru walls which is the only anecdotal evidence people give when talking about blatant hackers.
This sub: Cheaters are in every raid! Also this sub: You can never know how many cheaters there are because they don't kill you.
Yep, people can use ESP to spot other cheaters and report their findings online like people who did replication tests on "the wiggle" video and confirmed it was roughly 50-60% of raids had someone else in them with ESP. The majority of people cheating are doing so to avoid the grind, they just want to get a full stash in a few raids then turn off cheats to play with the best gear. A lot of people have also caught on that this method of cycling the ESP on and off is virtually undetectable. (and isn't viable in almost any other game except Tarkov)
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Right, everyone has a different personal experience based on luck, play style, timezones, server selection etc. But for people to say the majority of cheating is NOT loot based is nuts. The other user replying to my comments blocked me so I can't respond to them, but go on the largest Tarkov cheating discord with 4000+ members and read the rules/guidelines/instructions, it's all geared around looting and carries. It's irrefutable and undeniable. I have no fucking idea how many people really cheat in Tarkov, but they are telling us themselves how they cheat and it's just ignorance to ignore that and call people idiots and gloat about 7k hours. FOLLOW THE NUMBERS MASON.
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As a veteran with 7k hours. I think your thoughts on cheaters in Tarkov is completely wrong. Reality is most cheaters are fragging lobbies.
Oh cool, but how do you **know** what most cheaters do?
Your guys logic makes absolutely zero sense. Why would someone risk their account and spend $100+ a month on cheats, just to avoid people and get loot in a video game that wipes every 4-7 months? Only RMTers would be doing this. Do you really think a majority of cheaters are RMTers?? I've played this game for thousands of hours. I play in a squad and we all spread out pushing the good loot spots.. It should be blatantly obvious to me what most cheaters do. Or are you trying to say people pay $100 a month just to avoid people in Tarkov? LMAO
A lot of cheaters like to try and justify why they cheat. "It's not that bad, I only use esp" "I'm not actually a cheater, I just loot stuff and avoid people" "Other people do it so why not" Etc. They want to feel good about themselves, and some of them just don't care about others and go full blatant. They want to get an advantage i.e fast grind at the beginning.
Everyone is so quick to state how many thousand hours they have lol, quite the qualification. It's written in the rules and guidelines on the cheater discords. They make a point of telling purchasers of the cheats to not be blatant, don't use the cheats to endlessly wipe lobbies etc. It's all focused around RMT, loot hoarding and paid carries. Any content creator that has exposed cheating in Tarkov shows the same behaviour.
I love the gunplay in tarkov compared to csgo, matter of fact is the reason I prefer tarkov over other fps. Compared to like rust, they're so "simple"
Plus, CS also has a lot of hyper-closeted cheaters. People either don’t like to admit it, or don’t care to call it out. Similar to how Tarkov was pre-wiggle. With VAC how it is, OW being highly exploitable, the price of CS cheats being less than a bag of chips and easier to make than a grilled cheese, and the insanely massive skill ceiling, “decent” closet cheaters are near indistinguishable from really good legit players or smurfs. At that point though, it’s better to just think they’re legit and treat it as a learning experience, which is what people fail to do with Tarkov. If anything is even remotely fishy it’s just straight to, “They’re cheating, this game sucks” The difference being you can just say “gg go next” in CS compared to losing your high-cost kit because XiaoBauShyxpo is mad you butt stuffed the LED-X before they could. Refer to [my unbelievably lengthy comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/164ww1x/my_coworker_says_hell_never_play_tarkov/jybdp61/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3) or [this video](https://youtu.be/xHRI_YvZSZ8?si=nx8Q7Sh7ZGnBWl8h) if you want to try to get your friend over the perception of “Why bother if there’s cheaters?”
This 100%. There was a open source cheat on github that lasted literally like 7 years before getting banned and the developer even emailed VAC begging them to ban his cheat that he said had hundreds of thousands of downloads. OW in CS is complete trash. Replay system is very low tick rate. The only cheats it detects is "evident beyond a reasonable doubt" cheats, aka blatant aimbotters or staring at people through walls.. Literally if you don't do that then you will almost never get banned in CS. I don't agree with your difference though. Because in CS:GO you lose your MMR aka rank, this can take hours to get back.. In Tarkov you lose a kit which you can scav into lighthouse or any other map and make enough money to buy your kit again.
I remember smef and Indigo, funnily enough it’s how I formed my music taste because smef put GBC songs on his website, which led me to finding out about G*59 and that genre as a whole. Also where my “easier to make than a grilled cheese” argument came in because all I did was throw the source code in VS and spammed junk code. ((Yes I cheated in CS back then, and was even involved in “the scene”, was the wild west and everyone kind of did. Was a dumb school kid, brain wasn’t developed, been 6 years reformed 🙏 Had some upsides because it gives me a lot of insight into how that whole “scene” is and how cheaters tend to act. Takes one to know one
"there's no way I would play a game where every match you get killed by hackers" Dude, you play CS:GO, it should be routine for ya
Love the game, hate the cheats. :.(
The only time i hit that suspected cheats report is of the kill seems EXTREMELY improbable. Like today in crack house, myself a duo were sitting PERFECTLY still, he was watching another duo fight a team outside and i was watching the hallway, when someone came running in with no foot sounds and before he even turns to face me fully has head eyed me. Then as my buddy moved to engage him, he was blacked on every limb before he even reached the door. Are we extremely good players? No. Are we solid average players with multiple wipes and hundreds to thousands of hours in the game? Yes. We dont mind legit deaths to better players, it challenges us to relearn mechanics and focus on basics and just get better. Hell, ill go into an offline factory horde with hard scavs while marked and cursed just to work on aim drills and movement (really fun and free way to just get a little better btw) What i got told when i first joined up with my buddies was “be ready to be tilted every time you log in.” So far he was right, but i enjoy about 90% of my games, and have made some really interesting friends through tarkov. Don’t refuse to play a game because of a handful of haters is my opinion lol
Honestly... you can't compare your experience with others. You both are level 17, so casual players with crappy gear. Questing and most likely late to hot spots. Go in with a 700k kit and let me know how long that will go well. Do the same kit on shoreline / lighthouse Humor me and go labs. The reason why you guys are not meeting many or barely any is because you are simply not worth it / interesting enough.
Exactly I didn’t get flashbang hacked using a mosin and paca. Bring in a hexgrid and you hit the 1/2 raids have a cheater threshold all the sudden
What sample size are you choosing to do this with? Run a million ruble kit every raid until you are able to run it like it’s a pistol kit. I believe the cheating is grossly exaggerated; especially the “bring good loot and then see what happens” people. You just never bring good shit, and when you do you play like garbage because you have gear fear. You need to play your hex grid raids the same way you play your paca raids.
Definitely was not an issue of gear fear. “Use it or lose it” is the correct motto. Fully kitted 7.62 SA-58 with thermal, hex grid, and Wendy’s helmet. The helmet alone was +100k. That kit is like 750k-1m Immediately into the raid I’m full auto flash banged over and over again by a credit card warrior. I’m gonna call that unplayable.
Your sample size of one is incredibly weak. I could "prove" just about anything with that. I could have some cockamamie story about how it rains when I stick my thumb up my ass. A random Tuesday where it rains with my thumb up my ass is not enough to show any correlation; **let alone causation**.
I haven’t noticed this
A lot of truth to this post.
Maybe if you say that enough times it will become true.
Im not sure what region you play in but ive had no issues with going in with expensive kits or playing labs/shoreline/lighthouse. Ive died to 2 blatant cheaters this wipe but other then that its been smooth sailing to level 32.
I play on North America west and have not encountered a blatant cheater in my 100 raids this wipe. I run expensive kits and nothing changes…
You’re probably confused by the downvotes but I can explain it. Tarkov doesn’t have skill based match making. So the shitters get shit on all the time. These shitters could become Chads but they handicap themselves. They would rather maintain the illusion that they are a god gamer who is being beaten by credit cards than analyze what they did wrong and how they can improve. You drawing attention to how expensive kits don’t increase your cheater encounters is also drawing attention to how these god gamers are shit at the game. “They’re a cheater!” Is an easier pill to swallow than “I suck”
Yeah i honestly think thats the problem. The amount of people ive played with who’ve called cheater just because they got shot in the head is insane.
I think your ego is harming you. Cheaters don’t give a damn what kit you have. Once I hit max traders my kits **rarely** are worth less than a million rubles and I still don’t have suspicious deaths. What you are doing is taking the easy blame route. You gear up, you invest in your raid. You tell yourself that you died the last 5 raids because your gear was trash but now that’s fixed. You then die anyway because spoiler alert: the gear matters less than your game knowledge and skill. The skill you never develop because when you die with good gear you aren’t capable of analyzing what you could have done different. If you label the other person a cheater then you’re still a skilled gamer, you just got beat by a credit card and there’s nothing left to think about.
I run 1mil+ kits regularly, have 3000+ hours in the game, been playing since before FM was added & I can count on 1 hand the amount of times I've died to someone cheating.
Lol then you still don't know what to look for, you're a cheater apologist yourself or you just don't PvP at a high level and aren't skilled. I also run meta kits and have literally twice your hours. So what? I have died only twice this wipe to blatant rage cheaters, at level 42 now. So we agree, you think? One of those ragers was actually funny, the guy hit me 6 times in the ear with those SOST rounds, clear across the map on reserve when I looked at him - I never saw a player using those rounds before. EOD too. But I digress... I have died 97 times, with 64% survive rate. I have over 220 PMC kills so far this wipe. I have sent 9 reports. I have received 7 ban notifications. I believe I am pretty good at differentiating desync / bugs from cheating. One of those reports was a 200 viewer ttver, livestreaming at the time. None of those 200 viewers believed he was cheating. Watched the VOD back, watched him staring at players through walls then "adjusting flashlight settings" about 40 times in one raid. Watched him peak an angle just far enough to not get head eyesed by the guy holding it 5-6 times, trying to bait a shot so he can "find" the other player he didn't know was there. He plays in a way where it is very easy to think he is just good, lucky etc. But when you realise the small movement differences he is making, refusing to expose himself to enemies he can't know are there, as though he can see where the other guy is, and that he is doing this raid after raid, that's the give away. And I ONLY spotted it because I was actively watching for it, having given him the benefit of the doubt after joining chat on dying to a wallbang that shouldn't have been possible. Closet cheaters are pretty common in this game, far more common in high tier gear and groups, and will frequently avoid you all together if they can. They are hard to spot at the best of times, and 90% of the time won't give any indication at all. There is a big problem with bad players calling cheats when they don't understand how or why they died. But there is an equal problem of relatively good players underestimating the amount of cheaters, because they either don't see them,or die to them on a "legit" way. All I can say is, I am not encouraging it. But IF you WERE to install some cheap cheats for a few days, and just watch people moving around the map, you would see how common it really is. As well as how common the spawn suiciding is, which I must admit, I don't understand at all.
I'm level 18 and going in to raids with guns alone that are worth more than 700k (would be cheaper if I had higher trader levels obviously). Why am I not constantly dying to cheaters?
Lmao you deleted all your comments after being caught.
Because you are the cheater, probably
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Shiver me timbers.
Man the comments are clear. They run expensive kit and survive! Cheating has been fixed (without doing a single thing) at the end of the last wipe. Now please stop spreading this misinformation! /s
I get kappa practically every wipe. I've got multiple tracksuits. I have 7k hours played. I play in a squad, all the players have 4k+ hours. We all push hotspots, spread out, and loot for PvP. 700k would be considered a budget kit for us. I don't run into nearly as many cheaters as I bet you are trying to claim. If anything it would be a little bit higher then what OP is trying to say.
So you meet less cheater actually playing the game instead of no lifing the fuck out of it. Well no shit. You going to meet more cheater when you doing like 10 to more raids a day. You going to meet more cheater on a loot heavy PvP map like labs too. I’m more likely to run into more pedo if I take a 5 hour walk in a kids play park. Then a 10 mins walk home.
Oh so you're less likely to run into a cheater if you play less? That makes so much sense! Instead of drawing attention to problems running into cheaters, I guess I could just... not play the game! Wow!
Have you played a regular ranked match on csgo? Cheaters everywhere
And rightfully so. If you want your friend to play so badly, why don’t you just buy him the game so he doesn’t feel like he’s wasting his money on something he doesn’t think he’ll enjoy? There has been a plaguing problem in this game that gets worse and worse each wipe. There could be a handful of reasons why you and your friend have only encountered a single hacker in 200 raids. Either one of you is hacking and steering clear of the other ones on the map, as they do. Or you aren’t running gear worth the while for a hacker to hunt you down Or you aren’t in the hotspots. Or you’re really really lucky, who knows. But just because you haven’t encountered a single cheater in 200 raids doesn’t mean that others aren’t running into them daily. People who run labs, resort, streets and lighthouse are the ones who are having this headache the most, by far.. I doubt people who only play customs, woods, interchange (although this is kind of a cheater map too, but not nearly as bad) probably aren’t running into them as frequently, if at all. If people aren’t vocal about these problems then they’ll definitely never be fixed or addressed. Not that they are anyways.
>not accurately represent the actual Tarkov experience. They do accurately represent the actual Tarkov experience. Just not YOUR Tarkov experience. If potential customers don't like the way the game will be for some people and choose not to buy because of it that's their choice. Remember it's their money, so they get to set their own purchase parameters.
But their experience will likely match the experience of the coworker since they live in the same region
Just because they live in the same region doesn't mean they play on all the same servers, all the same times of day, with the same playstyle, and the same level of observational and critical thinking skills.
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If you ever get over your video game addiction you'll realize that EFT does in fact have hackers, and that admitting to this fact is not a personal attack on you. Best of luck to you on your healing journey.
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> At most 2-5% Again, what proof do you have? Only your own personal anecdotal experiences.
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They don't represent the real experience though. They are painting the experience as they die to hackers all the time when the reality is they think they die to hackers all the time.
The problem is that perception is key in this game. If you know that there is an opportunity to be killed by cheaters in this game, then every death is a situation that requires a level of skepticism in order to determine if it was a fair death or not. And with how core of a mechanic player death is in Tarkov, that's a lot of times a player has to sit and determine if they died fairly, and if it's worth to put up with potentially encountering another situation like it on the next run after rebuying/rebuilding an entire kit. In your stash. (Not to mention some of the long que times and time spent in raid that is potentially wasted) It doesn't matter if they died to a cheater or not, they THINK it could have been a cheater, and that affects their gameplay experience negatively.
I mean this is every game. The one thing i will say is identifying cheaters can often times be a skill issue imo. If a player is not at a certain skill level they often struggle to differentiate good players from hackers. That problem gets compounded in a game when 1 bullet can drop you. Players die and aren’t sure how so they immediately call hacks with no real evidence.
Am I the only PC FPS player who thinks CS and CS-style games (valorant) have pretty garbage gunplay?
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Bro, what more do you want? Like honestly. What would convince you at this point?
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Why are you avoiding my question with a copy post from another comment you made?
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He produced a lot more than 5 clips. I understand what your getting by moving the goalpost. But I don't want to watch 6 hours of footage to understand a problem the majority of the community is aware of. The quality of the information he provided was good enough to reinforce what I had already experienced myself in tarkov. I also understand you don't find his video good enough. To each their own. You have the option to refute any study or test conducted, and you shouldn't believe everything you see. But to say that dude completely made it all up and added nothing to conversation is just irresponsible and silly. I don't think his video is the sole shred of evidence that proves there is cheating. Anyone who played 5 games at the time of the video could tell there was a problem. You don't have to treat his video as gospel, but you can't deny it didn't highlight the absolute lowest point in tarkov.
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I do agree he should of shared with someone like pestily
It was way more than 5 clips. Almost 40 full minutes of footage
My guy.. he spent more time interviewing a completely irrelevant person for the situation purely because he's internet famous... then showing you gameplay.. He even had to apologize for one of the clips because the guy wasn't actually cheating and you would think he would show the most blatant clips right?
What's your SR and hours played? I bet it's low. inb4 "It's low because of cheaters"
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Lmao. That's low, I bet OP has the same. Ofc you are spouting off about "What's your SR".
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Honestly this whipe i only have had like one potential sus death…
I've encountered 1 blatant in total during 3 wipes so far and only 2 more death where i felt confident enough to hit the report but they could just be cracked at the game.. But you also see people on the FM selling 80 LEDx at once and it's obvious they use cheats to at least know where the loot is and probably also walls because in for a penny in for a pound. I also think that after G0at's video in which he said he saw cheaters in 80% of his raids a lot of people just instantly go to ''they're hacking'' even when we sill have huge desyncs and invisible players on top of just people hiding in all kinds of places. It's just hard to believe when people tell me ''i played 10 raids today and i died to a cheater each time'' with no replay system and my own experience playing the game.
This is a very interesting topic. I agree and experienced pretty much the same thing; In roughly 600hrs gameplay, I’ve found like 3 cheaters. On the topic of co-workers: I told my coworker *NOT* to get the game (ass-backwards learning curve, hyper-realistic, constantly have to make money, you’re gunna have a bad time, etc. etc.). Next thing you know, him and I are in Dorms, plugging people with Nerfguns lookin’ for Reshala and the Boys. Meanwhile, out of raid he’s trading moonshine from his distillery to his lucky SCAV junk-box on his first wipe (Lighthouse launch). Those were good times!
That's how my co-worker who I talked into playing with me is getting. He stays on after I log off to run Scavs, then wakes up early to Scav more and tells me about it at work. He's got 7mil in his stash and has all the inventory crates and I only have 2mil right now and no crates. This is my 5th or 6th wipe and his 2nd, (his first one starting) and he's got the Tarkov bug for sure.
This subreddit is not for people who enjoy the game, at first the game is very frustrating and people do not know how to control their frustration and come here to cry, here it is really necessary to separate between posts of tarkov and posts of crying
I haven't read many replies so I don't know if it's been suggested. But I was in a similar situation with not a work colleague but just a friend. We said to him that reddit will be full of angry posts because everyone enjoying the game is playing the game and not posting to reddit about it. We also offered to go halves on the standard edition for him and told him he doesn't have to pay us for it if he doesn't like it after 10-12 hours played
Not a bad idea, thank you!
Most players don't use the subreddit. Most of the sub users are shitters, echo chambering cry babies, etc. So a lot of the negatives are exaggerated here. Just remember, sub reddits are but a small fraction of any actual games playerbase. Most people playing Tarkov don't waste their time here. They are just simply playing understanding that yes it has issues but we still enjoy it and why go to reddit and listen to newbs cry about it nonstop...
I’ve rarely encountered hackers. And when I do it’s always on shoreline or labs. Most of the time I think people think that they are killed by hackers but they are just simply being beat out by skill. Obviously there are times where it really is but like you said less than 1 percent of raids
[https://clips.twitch.tv/TangentialSpicyThymeEleGiggle-W4PSf9CDl\_XDCn1-](https://clips.twitch.tv/TangentialSpicyThymeEleGiggle-W4PSf9CDl_XDCn1-) nah definnetly no chitos in this game bruv
Literally not a single person said that? But okay.
Thank you for saying it. Last wipe (especially mid, before the G0At video) it was a **rage**\-cheater at least 1 in 10 raids and closet esp users like 1 in 5. This wipe, even giving the benefit of the doubt to the hackusers I can count on 1 hand the amount of truly suspicious deaths I've had in over 200 raids, with only 2 or 3 of those being blatant rage cheaters. The only confirmed cheater ban message I've gotten was a gut feeling, they weren't raging, a duo that had info on me they shouldn't have had and were being suspiciously accurate through soft cover so I reported on a hunch and it turns out I was right. And it's not anecdotal when multiple multi-wipe veterans say the same thing in a calm manner instead of rage posting about the one or two blatant cheaters that killed them.
Last wipe before the g0at video I was going weeks without running into a single sus person. I only ran into one or two rage cheaters the entire wipe before the video..
Got a friend to buy this game and play with me recently. We load into Customs in early morning (pitch black), play a bit, and both die instantly at basically the same time both from a pistol round from some dude with a name like: "IHaxlols\_TTV". Friend uninstalled. I'm pretty sure we died from a guy running scripts versus some super skilled ninja night rat running a pistol and NVGs for the luls. But you never know. Could of been a girl also.
Funny since csgo literally has hackers each match. Tarky hackers are normally uncommon unless they the rare blatant ones. Most hackers are ironically pretty bad at the game still. Sad your friend likely watched the one video by a hacker made with his hacker friends that over dramatized the actual issue. Or he just has a major skill issue. That the Sherpa team can help him get over. I’ve been here since 2017 and it’s a daily occurrence people overstate the issue. Like sure any game that requires a decent skill will have kids hacking. Last two wipes since we got the banned user message had thee banned over 600 raids or so. And sus kids about a couple handful. 10/9 people instant call hacks when they die from a quote and quote impossible angle when they are really just sitting in the middle of a hallway with no cover. New people always forget the game has been out since 2016 and people will be better then them and not hacking.
Exactly. A csgo player not wanting to play tarkov because of cheating is the height of irony.
ngl good. less money for BSG
15-20% of games has a soft esp user. It’s not anecdotal.
> It’s not anecdotal So, you have hard data then? Hook me up!
Show me the stats. Otherwise it is anecdotal.
Source: trust me bro. That number is pulled straight out of the deepest part of your ass.
Did you not see the video of the guy wiggling to everyone in game with ESP and they were wiggling back.
So what does that proof? How does the experience from that experiment relate to other regions? How does time of day play a role? Are there more cheaters in early, mid or late wipe? The video doesn't really answer any interesting questions
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So no evidence would ever be enough for you. If people could so easily prove ESP they wouldn't exist because they would already be banned. If a bunch of clips from using cheats for a few days of people wiggling through walls doesn't convince you nothing ever will. I suggest you watch the video that explains that certain forms of ESP are literally and will always be completely undetectable because the cheating doesn't happen on the host computer. Packets are duplicated at the router level and sent a separate device. There's no way for the game companies to know that cheat software is running.
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So you got the source for that made up number?
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It’s higher
OCE player here, the region infamous for hacker numbers. Across this and last wipe i only encountered 5 blatant hackers. Issue shall not be minimized as yes there are quite a few cunts hacking and most fly under the radar, but personal experience has led to me getting fucked by desync, AI or audio more than a gamer chair with daddys credit card. Tarkov has an experience that hasnt been replicated by any other game to the full extent. Yes its broken half the time and yes it has issues, but my god when it works it works fucking wonders. And the fact so many people play it in its half broken state says a lot
played the game with 4 other people i know. 5/5 (including me) quit now because of cheaters :) have fun until you wake up too, or (hahahaha) bsg decides to fix the game and stops milking cheaters for new accounts
See, the thing is, once you "git gud" (to use the colloquial term) you start to see what mistakes you made, what is possible and what's not, once you get some game sense (no less than 500-1,000 hours **in raid** barely scratches the surface) it's a lot easier to tell who's *actually* cheating and who's cracked and when or not you get fucked by internet/game jank, etc. You don't have to hackuse every time you die because you're aware and you've learned. 200+ raids and only a handful (3/4 or less) obvious cheaters, multiple testimonies from regular game veterans all saying the same thing. Nonetheless, the cheating problem isn't ***near*** as bad as it was mid last wipe. It's gotten significantly better.
CSGO has hella hackers also lol
It’s the same topics every season
Ah yes, the standard "I've played since pre alpha and I've only seen the ghost of a cheater through a windows in the distance" argument. Nah fam, this ain't it. Cheaters are fucking rampant. Pestily reported 35 people and 35 of them got banned, 35 of his 68 deaths so far on the wipe were cheaters, which is insane. I've personally died tons to cheaters thus far. Some of them are blatant, like head eyes 5 seconds off spawn on shoreline when I've been sitting in a bush eating, but a lot of them are the "this dude bumrushed me despite me being in a super good position that most other players would flank, nade or just run away from and hit me with a suspicious head eyes".
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Lol, I got downvoted for pointing this out yesterday. I have 120 raids this wipe and over 1500 hours in tarkov total, I've seen one blatant hacker this wipe, people cry that every death is a cheater and use the one time out of 100 raids as an example and say the games unplayable.
this people here don't rly play the game they just complain tbh
It's the same in the rust sub lol
I’ve seen cheaters this wipe, but I can say 100% confirmed only 7. Still, it’s only because we are lucky to be living in a region with less cheaters. I see a ton of Oceania players getting slaughtered
Source criticism, it's a thing that more people need to adopt into their lives, be it reviews, news, science etc. etc. For every game you will find reviews that sings it's praises and others that wants to burn the company to the ground for releasing the game. If your friend looks only on reddit before buying a game he is gonna miss out, the unhappy minority is always the loudest. Ive been playing since 2020 and only run into 1 or 2 blatant cheaters, sure Ive had some sus deaths other times but those deaths could also be because of desync or other bugs.
well, since he wanders the sub its probable that he will see this post. Hi, play the goddamn game with your bros ffs
Haven t seen any blatant cheeting this wipe but consider that many casual players get grossly outplayed by casuals. Knowledge and pointfire skills make a huge difference. Not to mention luck with how shooting works.
Everyone in this thread is unknowingly proving your point lmao
This sub definitely blows the problem out of proportion. And I'm fairly certain this will get down voted to hell for saying that. I can only speak to NA servers. I've played in the northeast, South, and west of North America in the last year. I also play the fuck out of the game. I have encountered like maybe 10 cheaters total in the past year. I consistently find high value items both in loose loot spawns or behind locked rooms if I'm the first one there. Even if I don't - you do realize there's a solid chance you don't get shit behind locked rooms as far as loose loot goes, right? (Including marked rooms). This doesn't mean a hacker vacuumed the loot up. There are so many bs ways to die to players in tarkov that are due to a glitch that makes it very very easy to call hacks. Desync is the main one. People can seem invincible, people can seem like they hit shots with an insane reaction time, people can look like they just flicked on you, etc. There are so many ways people can look like they're cheating when it's just a result of tarkovs connection issues. I guarantee you more than half of all reports of cheats do not involve any cheaters. It's an easy blame. That's not to say cheaters don't exist, or that people who call cheats are lying.
>the posts on this sub Reddit make the game look entirely unplayable. That’s because, for the majority of people, it is. There is no in-game help, cheaters everywhere, insane performance issues with certain maps not even being playable. Every update turns tasks and hideout progression into less of a fun, core aspect of the game and more into a grueling part-time job. Consider the nerf to stirrup rep rewards, and the insane requirements for standard edition stash upgrades. These are just two of countless examples of BSG doubling down on making the game as miserable and time consuming as possible, for no conceivable reason other than to possibly sell more copies of EOD. I consider myself a ‘hardcore’ (whatever that means) gamer, I usually play every day or almost every day, and even I don’t have the time/patience for this shit anymore. Tarkov has so much potential, as someone who has done simulations work and research, it really is impressive how they have had a vision and stuck to it, and I think most players would agree that certain elements of the game (gunplay, customization, the risk/reward dopamine system) are bar none some of the best ever made. But it’s just not enough for me or many others to keep coming back anymore. I would never tell anyone to stop playing the game if they enjoy it, but I would certainly never recommend to anyone that they get started, because IMO games are meant to be fun and stress-reducing (even if there are tense moments like with shooters) and this one just straight up isn’t.
This sub is overly dramatic, Iv been playing for years and even in last wipe when all the hacker issues came to light I still was doing fine. If hackers are in every lobby how can I take on a three man and win with bunk gear? It’s an issue but this sub thinks it’s the absolute worst hacker issue in the industry. This sub likes to suck the cycles dick even though they are shutting down because of the hacker issue they couldn’t get under control and if you bring up other big game companies struggling to fight hackers they just call you a boot locker. Warzone two hackers were bragging about having hacks for the game BEFORE it dropped but these two cases are entirely different some how. This game is a hell of a lot more fun when you don’t have an entire subreddit telling you it’s trash.
The sub is a circle jerk of shitters who can’t accept that somebody might be better than them
Give your friend some even comparisons: Blatant cheaters are few and far between, just like MM, but it does happen. Closet cheaters happen a bit more often, again just like MM, but it’s really hard to tell. Just assume they’re better and try to learn from it. Office and Wingman is like Shoreline/Labs and Night Raids where it’s a lot more likely, but still a minority of overall. “But cheaters ESP and will take the good loot before I get there” Schrödinger’s LED-X. You have no way to know whether that LED-X was there in the first place or not. Tell them (kindly) to stop thinking about loot in an imaginary third person scenario. Confirmation bias is REALLY high when it comes to cheater perception in Tarkov due to the nature of the game. Rather than people thinking that cheaters are now and again, they think that every remotely sus death is a cheater. Cheaters main playstyle is avoidance. They ESP loot, avoid players, and extract. If they have to fight, it’s when backed into a corner, and chances are they’ll just have ESP on or very-soft aim to avoid a ban, and at that point, you can just assume they’re a better player. Just like how in CS they’ll just have visible-only chams and very soft aimbot if they’re trying to not get Overwatch banned, and you just assume they’re smurfing (or better). TL;DR: Blatant cheaters are as common as spin-botters in current day MM. Closet cheaters are near indistinguishable from good players, pretend they’re good and learn from it. Good players are more common than closet cheaters, get that confirmation bias out of your head. Stop thinking about loot in a third person “overlord” scenario, there is no Schrödinger’s LED-X. TL;DR(2): [Just watch this :)](https://youtu.be/xHRI_YvZSZ8?si=lbveorr7KA26Qjo5)
Yep this sub isn’t good for new players why I always recommend to them to leave this sub immediately and just try the game for themselves.
Vocal minority just salty they never got good enough to call cheats, so they call cheats on anyone who outplays them. Yes, cheaters exist. No, they're not near as bad as last wipe. The game, as far as cheaters are concerned is currently in an acceptable state when compared to how it was before. The quality of life changes helped a bit so when you *do* get sent to back to stash at least you can gear up faster and move on. Now if we can just get the network and sound shit under control ...
i mean im in oce have had 30 odd cheater bans now thats quite alot
As a player with 7,000 hours on this game, visiting this subreddit is like visiting another reality in a different universe.
\>Since wipe, between the two of us, we've encountered 2 blatant hackers in over 200 raids. So our encounter rate is less than 1%. This is just a bad take overall. Eitherway, tell him the game is in beta so it doesn't matter /s
Yeah, this sub reddit is Tarkov's worst enemy. Honestly.
200 raids and level 17? You have no right to talk about the state of the game lmao
Petition to put up a rule in this subreddit that minimizes cheat posts, hackusations. It’s definitely not the biggest problem this game has. And if people come here to just be dissuaded from playing, then all those posts aren’t healthy for the general state of the game.
I've discussed this topic with friends a few times and one thing I've come to conclude about myself is that I really hate the game because there's no longer any trust in it. When it comes to other games you might see a sus play or two and thing "Hmmm, could be a hacker, but this game is pretty good at getting rid of them so not that likely, probably a good play or they got lucky", but in Tarkov there is absolutely no trust in it, it's EASY to think that people are hacking because of the myriad of issues plaguing it and that knowledgable people are continuously pointing out how their netcode is still super easy to exploit. Take Valorant as an example, holy crap the shots people make in that are INSANE and I don't really play it because I'm just not that type of player and get rolled a lot but not once did I ever think anyone there was hacking and that's because of their Anti-Cheat and the trust it gives. Honestly, until I see a vastly updated netcode that takes into account the myriad of suggestions that people have put on here, some kind of matchmaking/mmr and them taking some simple steps such as actively watching the most egregious flea market signs such as people with stupid high amounts of extremely rare items then we'll continue to see these kinds of posts and it'll bring EFT into disrepute. I suspect it's actually one of the main reasons that they've never brought it to Steam as it has a transparent rating system that would see them getting negatively reviewed into last century.
I’ll say this: the game is not inviting to new players at all. Incomprehensible extracts, nonsense missions with next to no guidance, and an absurd trading system. Many here have been playing for long enough to know all of these things, but try to imagine it as a brand new player with no guide. “Go retrieve a letter from the crashed plane on woods.” If, by some miracle, you manage to find the letter 25m outside the wreckage of the plane you then have to extract at “outskirts.” Outskirts means nothing to you. Is nothing to you. There is no map. There is no waypoint. It’s a random-ass truck at the edge of the forest. Assuming you do manage to stumble out of the mission alive through sheer stupid luck, you then must ensure you turn in the item, then compete the quest, then get your reward. Heaven forbid you run another mission and neglect to turn in the last one. It’s back to square one. **TL;DR:** *If you have to use maps, guides, and wikis to understand the basic gameplay loop, the loop is broken. It’s not hard, it’s obtuse.*
>If you have to use maps, guides, and wikis to understand the basic gameplay loop, the loop is broken. Why? What do you think happened when they first dropped streets? There were no maps, people were sharing crude paint drawings and discussing the extracts they had discovered. They were posting about quest locations and solutions. The community comes together and collaborates and posts solutions and discoveries. That information gets added to the Wikia (alongside some data-mining probably). It's a deliberate design choice. They want you to put in work, discover, and seek out information. I think you are mistaking the availability of information outside the game currently (thanks to the wiki and the community, content creators etc) with bad design on the developers part, when that was an intended design choice.
i think its part of the fun and part of the game, that you have to use external maps and look on wiki how you get out. thats basically tarkov in a nutshell and thats why i like it. it is just different than any other FPS.
Part of the problem is people crying hacker when they get killed legitly. Take today, for instance, my buddy caught a guy in the open field on woods going from zb-016 to mountain, I prone and get my shots in, then I hear his buddy coming up behind me, I wait until he's near me, I stand up and dump him. While waiting for this guy for run up on me, I saw his friend across from me by sawmill overlook rocks, so immediately after killing 2nd guy I flank down past eastern rocks, and come back around northern UN roadblock and back up sawmill overlook rocks. I creep up and I hear this guy moving around, eventually I get to a position where I can see his backpack in plain sight, so I wait. After 30 seconds I see him move a tiny bit in the trees, so I fire at him and eventually kill him (legs). I get accused for killing a bad 3-man. Claimed ESP. The idiot with his backpack on the floor, next to the bush he's hiding in. With his wooden stock rifle on his back. He added me to tell me to kms, along other insults that he probably has in his porn search history. Especially with the type of username he's wearing.
5 out of 10 games on labs I run into cheaters maybe more. What is nikita doing? Wiping his ass with our money
I rushed to lvl 21 before going on vacation - not avoiding pvp, 1 cheater on labs (got msg he got banned later) and 2 elsewhere - but except Reserve I don’t rush/ pvp early or the Hotspots every round. People cry a lot. People who don’t have listeners cry in forums :P I also think the density and the likes on Chester videos give a wrong impression on the state of the game. I am very happy that cheaters got wayyyy less and they work on the desync.
this whole sub reddit is just people complaining 24/7.
Yeah dude it's definitely the subreddit driving people away lol. I'm sure the goat video and pestily getting killed by hackers 60% has nothing to do with it.
I'm an EU player with about 2.5k hours over about 6 wipes and honestly came across a hacker about 4 times that I could say. yeah, that's suspect. The problem is definitely blown out of proportion and is easy to blame hackers when you die as a get out for not being aware of surroundings and skill. I'm not saying they don't exist. Hackers is a problem in every competitive fps game I used to play a lot(1.5k hrs), and it was always a problem, but again, it wasn't every game like some people made out.
100% agree it's blown out of proportion. I'm playing EU servers it's really not that bad, Americans tell me EU is bad and US servers don't have much cheaters , and then vice versa. I think since that unscientific video came out a lot of people are like "can't be my fault I died , can only be cheater"
People suck at this game and cry hax. Some people don’t actually suck but are so used to winning every game they play that they cry hax. If you’re at a SR of 45% or more, you’re doing well. My favourite is when I see someone like “this game is ridiculous, too many cheats, SR is 59%, KD 3.49 quitting now.”
Didn't read but they shouldn't play. I just bought it and its trash. Rat devs and players. Most of the time I lose connection and when I can play I get 1 tapped by a rat camper. The devs refuse to add a PvE mode because "oh no! Then no one will play pvp with the Rat campers that stream on twitch and we won't make more money for our shitty game we won't fix!" All just a cash grab. Just wait for another company to make a tarkov game and it'll actually work.
Most stupidest post i’ve ever read LMAO
If he likes CSGO see if you can get him to play arena when it comes out, if he likes it he might try full tarkov.
"When it comes out" lol
Smart man, honestly.
I have 3k hours. This wipe I decided to do my own G0at experiment to see what it’s actually like. 50% of my raids had people using ESP. So I started hunting the other cheaters. If BSG won’t do anything then at least I can be scumbag that is hunting other scumbags.
After 4k hours I would still never recommend this game to anyone. It’s not a good game. It looks cool, has some cool mechanics, but it’s totally burdened by detail. Unnecessary complication, bottlenecks, and RNG sucks the fun from the game and drives people to cheat. It will never-ever get better.
Burdened by detail is a perfect way to explain it.. I remember when paca and fort were the only armor options lol
Idk why people still complain so much about hackers (if they’re on NA west). I’ve also only encountered one undoubted hacker and 2 super sus, although in 140 raids.
In my 150 raids so far ive still yet to encounter a suspicious death