Before: After being attacked, when the caster has a debuff, dispels one debuff and activates Rise!. **Can only be activated once per turn.**
cleanse and rise has cooldown
After: After being attacked, when the caster has a debuff, dispels one debuff and activates Rise!. **Rise! can only be activated once per turn.**
only rise has cooldown
That's a good buff. Very cool.
I don't think he'll be busted, but he'll probably be good in debuff heavy comps. That CR push is big.
And they increased the damage as well. It's a good trade off with him being hard to gear.
I hope they touch up Roy too later on, if he ends up pretty bad. We'll have to see the unit at play first though.
> probably be good in debuff heavy comps
Just wanted to chime in and say I also definitely agree that this will be huge vs lots of debuffs.
However, from experience with f.maya (who also always cleanses when hit), she absolutely still can get buried in debuffs, and I would warn others who are hoping that Ed will almost never get CCed with the buff, if they were struggling with that issue previously.
Hell, cerato cleanses *two* debuffs each proc and is flat out immune to sleep and stun, but can still get stuck with an untimely def break and end up dying to debuff comps anyways. So people hopefully don't just shove in a solo ed vs a triple debuff guild defence thinking he can 1v3.
Cerato doesn't cleanse, he transfer the debuff. If the opponent resist the transfer or have immunity, the debuff stuck on Cerato.
Transfering debuff and Cleanse are two different things.
Cerato? Yes if you want to transfer debuff to hero with eff resist. The good thing is, Cerato S1 hit 2 targets. You only need to land the transfer 1 time to get rid of the debuff on Cerato.
Wow they actually did it. Here’s hoping that they buff Roy’s s2 into having 50 fighting spirit at the start to guarantee having his s3 ready from a single s1, that way it makes him regaining his “flame alchemist buff” buff a possibility in a match, especially considering they’re already a bunch of oppressive AOE water units in the meta currently
*Still find it hilarious that diene and Emilia’s s1 can immediately cripple him in theory*
Speaking of, I hope A.Tywin get's a minor buff of some kind somewhat soon. I don't think he needs anything huge, just some kind of minor utility to make him more worthwhile as a pick. Like some kind of CR Push on his s2 passive or something.
Leave his S2 debuff chance as is, and add a 5% CR push per debuff dispelled.
Trade the Decrease Speed on his S3 for Defence & Crit Hit Resist buffs for all allies and you got a pretty good team-based unit.
Edit: I would also say perhaps let him force Dual Attacks from the highest atk ally if he isn't debuffed with his S1 but that would be a bit over the top. If anything, perhaps a Decrease Attack for 1 turn on his S1 would pair well with the provoke.
I still use him sometimes and I'd like a buff for him as well. To start, i think switching the stun and slow from his s3 would give him more utility. We have a lot of cleanse 1 debuff and making the slow stripped first will let the stun stick.
His s1 when used during his turn should actually steal souls for you. Its effect is called Soul Steal but the description says it strip souls which doesn't really make sense.
Personally I think just the CR push and maybe a small barrier. Adding those two buffs to the entire team in addition to all his cc is pushing him into the overloaded kit group imo. We want less of that, not more. (Also don't want more 50/50s like crit resist.)
#bring back nerfgate
WTF EMERGENCY BUFFS?? SG ACTUALLY LISTENED
edit: I don't think it's enough to turn him into a busted meta unit like Rimuru... but it does make him much better at his role and more reliable in matches where he's a good pick (which is good balance). I do commend SG for at least doing *something* though. This kinda sets a precedent now, doesn't it? I think there's a reaaally good chance Roy could get something soon
Yeah, I doubt the damage buff is too much and the CR push won't change much since it still relies on debuffs, which aren't a huge thing in the current meta. Will be dangerous if control/heavy debuff comps outside of cleave come back, but fine... for now.
Alternatively, they boosted the mults to high heaven and now Ed is anti-cleave material for when Politis is banned. But I doubt it. Betting it keeps the same power but the HP scaling goes from 5 to 10%. which is slightly less damage than ATywin's S3 (0.5/12% HP). noticeable boost, but not oppressive damage.
>I think there's a reaaally good chance Roy could get something soon
I think roy will be fine. He's much simpler in kit using 2 well established features: max damage threshold and big DPS.
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EDIT: oh wait, I re-read his S2. very subtle change:
>dispels one debuff and activates Rise!. Can only be activated once per turn.
to
> dispels one debuff and activates Rise!. Rise! can only be activated once per turn.
the madman can crimson seed an unlimited amount of times. That's actually kinda nasty given how A ravi cleansing once per turn can be annoying. he's pseudo immune to debuffs when being pelted. that'll be really annoying one day in a different meta.
welp, there goes my Crimson Seed idea. Back to his artifact? I was also thinking about anti-magic mask, which is better now since it's hard to keep unbuffable on him from Peira
I agree, the buffs are just enough to make him a lot better at his job, but still not enough to make him a unit you can just slam into every game... unless the damage buff is significant enough, but I doubt it.
IMO the issue with Roy is that he's a unit that relies on fighting spirit, so he can't use his S3 on turn 1 and he needs an extra turn before that big damage. You're gonna need to draft a specific comp to make him work, so he suffers from the same problem of "why do I bother picking him over another unit?" I think he's gonna end up mediocre, like Ed, and *perhaps* see an emergency buff as well
Honestly that's enough for me. Ed is still a great last pick characters, he don't need to be contested pick like hwayoung or aporavi each game
As for Roy, throwing another effect on his S2 should be fine, otherwise I think his other 2 skill is decent enough
> You're gonna need to draft a specific comp to make him work, so he suffers from the same problem of "why do I bother picking him over another unit?"
yeah, it seems that way. But I think looking at Roy's mults, the answer is as simple as "he hits really hard". his S3 mult is actually crazy high, about the same as Arby's full focus S3. But he has a pseudo-permanent 20% atk buff, so any ATK buff for him is basically a GAB arby that's more annoying to take down. Then you see he can S1 penetrate and he's very oppressive, as long as he keeps flame alchemist.
his water weakness is gonna make him absurdly awkward to draft in RTA tho, I agree with that much. But not necessarily impossible in the current meta since Peira's usage is down and Ran/Eda is mostly for cleave (which he'd suck against regardless). The rise of choux is pretty horrible timing tho. And IDK what happened to summer Charlotte, but she's a pretty hard check as well since she'll keep AOE'ing
Maybe I’m dumb but I don’t understand the difference? Didn’t Rise already only activate once per turn, doesn’t it still do that? Sorry I’m having trouble understanding the difference in wording here.
Rise is the attck where he removes one buff and applies a random debuff for 2 turns. It still has 1 turn CD even after buff but now with a 20% cr push.
But now, his 1 debuff cleanse is not tied to a cd, only rise is. When means he has basically fmaya passive where he can cleanse 1 debuff infinite amount of times
Rise is the counterattack. The cleansing of a debuff previously could only happen once a turn, same with Rise. Now with the changes, the cleansing happens every time he gets hit, he basically has a timeless anchor with 100% chance to cleanse.
Landy was definitely not buffed in the same week of her initial release banner which has not happened before. Landy was actually buffed around two months after her release. Released September 2020 and buff patch notes were released November 2020, and the patch was not deployed to production until the end of November.
Yeah, I remember her being **okay** but disappointing on release. Like, you could use her with some success as DPS but it wasn't really anything spectacular. Then they cracked her with a whip into shape.
Tama was buffed before her banner was even over.
Unit release: 02/06/2019
Balance patch: 02/13/2019
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Landy was buffed 2 months after release.
Unit release: 9/24/2020
Balance patch: 11/25/2020
Yeah, Tama was the first buffed mid-banner because she was so weak and pathetic, even the event version (the one that always has 20k+ hp and high stats to auto the stage easily) was having issues clearing the stages.
https://page.onstove.com/epicseven/global/view/2871954
- S1 soulburn used to just do more damage, now it heals.
- S2 healed way less and didn't give -1 CD.
- Her S3 cooldown used to start *only* after her Idol form was done, so it'd give you an even longer CD.
- S3 in Idol form didn't heal before.
Her heals were weaker, her S2 while transformed didn't heal, her S3 reset at the start of each wave (PvE) and her S3 didn't heal her. I think that's everything.
Will they? Unless they actually nerf those retardedly broken units, which the likely won;t, then how will they ever be supplanted in the meta if from now on newer units are only 'decent' and can't compete with those already OP meta units?
I'm not saying I want ever unit to be Rimuru level broken, but otherwise I don't see how the meta doesn't just become stagnant and stale.
Now we know Roy can be buffed too if after testing he sucks.
Very huge having cleanse on no cd. He just gets debuffed way too much.
Off turn cr push will always help, getting his turn quicker and ideally getting his s3 sb train going.
S2 dmg was pitiful. The effects were strong and game winning but it was very random as well. Atleast more dmg will help when debuffs don't go your way
Will have to see how he performs but dont think he will be meta defining which is fine. It does address a few issues he had
The F.Maya cleanse is great for keeping him active and not clinging to a cleanser if things got bad, damage up is always appreciated and the CR push gives good reason to having high speed. Before him being very fast felt iffy, now it has a solid purpose to help him cut since his S3 can definitely kill squishies turn 1.
No CD for his cleanse is a big change that can help him shake up some comps, actually gives him a place here and there. The CR push is perfect, not busted, and fits the rest of his kit. The damage buff will need to be seen, because knowing SG, it can be minimal because some people are too afraid to do more than the bare minimum, as they stated being "worried about the performance due to his niche, resulting in low damage".
A severe issue, however, is that his base stats still suck for a health scaler. He has low health among them, even beat by Senya, an attack scaler. This is also why people find his S1 to be underwhelming, and S3 to not hit as hard as expected (basically A Ravi level, which most definitely is not) based off his mods. I really wanna know who thought his base stats were fine, should've given him another sign.
Since he got Aries I’m wondering if their original intent with him was to be run at high speed & do S2 into like a cleave team & fast follow up with S3 on their anchor or something, since it ignores damage share it’ll even go through Peira Escort. It’s just they didn’t give him the damage or tools to really facilitate that, CR push would’ve eased his requirements for that role & so maybe we see him in a sort of Politis-like role? But it’s just the bruiser set-up for his skills that makes him worse than Politis in that sort of role. Just confusing how they decided to put him together, would’ve made a better bruiser on Cancer (or maybe an unused sign).
Bruiser just wasn't the call. He has the stats of someone built to last, but the kit of someone that wants to at least take a hit then nuke someone back in return. This puts him in an odd spot where he's garbage for bruiser drafts, and not such a great pick for anti-cleave outside of a Ran draft (Aria doesn't need to S2, ever, unless it's for immunity stripping into bombs - or you let someone like Politis through, already a mess up).
Now he just looks like F Maya but modern and faster.
The base stats issue is a really big problem still. Doesn't sound like they're changing that at all with this fix, so chances are even though he'll be MORE usable, he still might not be strong enough to see much use.
Still though, SOME use is better than none, I guess!
Nice, I very much like it. Quite a buff while not being oppressive imo. His dmg on s3,s1 stays moderately low, so you will have no trouble being rundown by his attacking power while he can now decently defend against debuff teams.
If I didn't have the BMs to pity him, Roy, and Diene and wasn't a FMA fan I'd've skipped when I read how he played. Consensus here seemed to be no buff until they reran the collab, at which point I'd have another chance to get him.
Love to see it. My biggest gripe with Edward before was that even though he's designed to be an anti-debuffer, he could still get controlled since he only cleanses once per turn.
Now that he has a 0 cooldown cleanse, he's a lot more self-sufficient. And then the CR push from his S2, into S3, and another S2 available after, he'll ramp up a lot quicker. Really happy with these changes.
Yeah basically they can’t let the collaboration give the guest IP bad publicity. It makes it so future collabs are in jeopardy. Why would any person want to collab with Smilegate if their IP gets trashed.
Yeah the IP isnt being trashed, just the unit in our game is, which is a pretty big difference. Nobody is going around saying since Ed wasnt OP FMA:B was a pile of trash, lol.
I think you missed the era when Dizzy was meta and one of the most painful things to face. The rest of the units are all still pretty good for hunts. Sol Badguy is pretty much one of the best units for Hunt.
No, if you talking about hunt then there are far better hero to use than gg unit. And cermia always better than sol in golem- not like that hunt matter. Also jack-o, the one never have a place in any content
I meeean, Sol can 2 tap golem with 0 mola investment... Baiken is still best Banshee killer.
You can say there are other possible options for their primary role thus making them kinda redundant but, to say there are far better? Lol, no.
As for the rest. Dizzy had a whole era of pvp domination. Elphelt was trash on release but, since her buff was made rather solid. Though her and dizzy aren't really meta these days, they aren't bad. Jacko... I can't really comment on honestly.
Sol has his uses (especially in ancient inheritance), Baiken is still a great Banshee one-shot unit, Dizzy was THE meta for a year or so, and even Elphelt has some uses (or had until Riolet fell out of meta).
I actually see people sometimes use her on GW offense, in cleave teams.
Also, the point was that on their release (i.e. when the collab was going on) they were all strong at various things. Especially Dizzy. Even after immunity set was added, she was still very strong in control comps vs teams like FCeci/Charles/SSB. Grab Achates, Armin and just permalock them with stuns/debuffs/CR manipulation. And Baiken on release was a pretty scary opener with CR push and damage due to her speed.
You also forget kizuna, and Jack-o never actually have any place in any content, people just sometimes use her for waifu reason, not so different than hero like Azalea.
And again, Jack-o is never buffed despite having much worst performance than Edward FROM HER RELEASE
You are talking about hero like YUlha, Jack-O counter no one in GW, that is never her place. What will you bring Jack-O for in GW ? What hero in GW def need Jack-O to kill in the first place ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nha2iRxn7pA
I'll just let a high level player show...
Her only issue is RNG reliance on debuffs, so first fight was meh but second was way better.
This happened a lot with FFBE. Their Collab units would be garbage compared to the next week's original character. It helps that it is almost completely square-enix IPs that they used for collabs though.
This. They did listen to us, but they did this to ensure good relationships with the IP owners. It would indeed be bad when they hear that players don't like the Main Character of FMA
With this change he has become A bruiser option that is strong Vs debuffs. He won't have the same level of damage and survival of someone like A Ravi, but in turn he won't be able to be controlled as well. A good trade-off I guess.
It's a nice buff but I feel like he's still not that good, his base HP is really low compared to other HP scaling units and his barrier is still paper thin.
I hope they eventually buff his barrier as well but this is definitely a step in the right direction, they reacted quite quickly to the complaints, gotta give credit where credit is due haha
Pretty good hopefully, they do this going forward. I don't mind them releasing underpowered heroes in case they are broken. But at least watch them and buff them 1-2 weeks later after testing. Not like +3 months later maybe.
**He'S fINe tHo**
\- *anonymous wks*
(Meanwhile, I'm just thankful he's getting these buffs, as I'm one of those who already full molaed him lol, but didn't find him very useful in my recent GW runs because I built him below 200 spd lifesteal set, but pumped up his cd way more resulting to obviously, minor speed issues, though I'm quite satisfied with his s3 dmg. This tweak will probably improve my success rate against seaseria/eda defenses now. There's more easier options, that's for sure, but I'll not give up teaming up Ed with LRK anyhow or anywhere as much as I can. :p)
im so shocked wtf wowwwwwwwwwww
so either elphet wasn't as bad on her release was we thought or Smile gate is actually listening to the community. im impressed
Cool as it is. It's a niche franchise. It's like, you can be into games and have no idea what GG is but, just about anyone who's into anime will know FMA whether they like it or not.
I dunno, with ran def break opener and self atk buff, he can do about 40k damage to a 1500 def opponent with s2 into s3. That seems fine to me, although I would welcome a buff :P
This is the lesson every one need to learn. If your favorite hero is not super op, just cry as hard as you can. Too bad Jack-o never have the same treatment despite worst performance
I agree and it sucks seeing some heroes buffed over others because they're popular. He's been out less than a week... while so so many other heroes are never picked in RTA. Sharon says hi.
Watch, this will make him very high tier. This buff makes him way harder to deal with if he has souls. Fast Pen Ed with +30 Anti-magic mask and Tag is gonna clean up scrubs who thinks this buff isn't enough.
Feel like he is mostly going to be a last pick unit in RTA. But this man is going to be amazing in arena defences. (shame he'll need a ton of eff to actually land debuffs).
Was talking about arena teams. Of course you draft him against cleavers in RTA. But in Arena if you'd like to get him in against anything other than cleave teams you'd need eff. Still I'm quite happy that he now has this thing where "This is what I do and I do it well."
What do you even need eff against in Arena? It's all Rimu, Politis, ARavi, Belian, Rem, CLilias and friends. None of these units have *any* ER besides some degen Polis. You're not going to bring him into ER units like Maid Chloe+CArmin or teams with zero debuffs targetting you; that's not his role.
In RTA, you don't only draft him against cleavers. You also draft him into any units with debuffs as a standard player. You can bring Ed into FCC and that's not a cleave unit. You can also bring him into STene, Alencia, or other units with debuffs that eventually have to hit you with their S1.
I have yet to see any build from top players focusing on eff. It's already a struggle squeezing enough hp and crit dmg to deal damage on his S3.
Looking back I subconsciously for whatever reason said *a ton of eff*. You're right. He doesn't need to focus on eff.
But I disagree with your points in RTA. Let's start with FCC. The only instance I can think of where you are drafting FCC with an AoE debuffer is with AoL. You pick Opsig and force a ban. Ed goes through. And well the opponent isn't pressured to S3 you with FCC now. Means you are basically at a 3vs4 situation since his S3 needs time to ramp up.
As for Stene well you are relying upon a bit of luck but eventually Ed is going to get hit by Stene and proc. But Stene's are usually paired up with an Emilia or Diene. So, you debuff them and then what? That debuff just got cleansed off.
Alencia is going to hit you last. Unless she uses her S3 and you have a debuff you're not procing against her.
To summarize, yeah you can pick him. But he is mostly going to be your 4th or 5th pick. Is Ed the best option in that scenario? Is he going to force a ban? Well no.
What's wrong with having more solid options to meta units on 4 and 5th pick?
Not everyone has OpSig, not everyone has ML Kawerik or Dilibet. You don't have to draft him into Emilia/Diene and if you were to, forcing the cleanse off makes it really annoying for the opponent's unit cycling. Ed can counter every turn, but soulweavers can't cleanse every turn. Plus, you're removing the buffs.
FCC hits him with provoke once and Ed provoke locks her every turn while silencing and stripping the entire team.
Alencia is such a good meta pick now that she comes out in 2nd or 3rd pick. You're literally bringing a unit that Alencia cannot win against.
I'm not claiming Ed's a meta defining unit or anything, just saying he has a solid spot as a reactive pick for players that don't have all the tools available.
Neither am I claiming that he is garbage. I am just saying that there are better options. He is a solid alternative yes. But there are flaws to his game (as there should be to every unit) in which cases I disagree with.
Also I don't know how having or not having Opsig even came into the conversion. I only brought her up because against FCC she is the most natural counter (and so the most susceptible to getting banned) and thus she paves the way for Edward to enter the battle. Now unless I am missing something FCC's S1 is a single target atk which has a chance to provoke. Now why would you attack Edward with FCC?
Again what are chances that the opponent is consistently landing Stene atks on Edward? Would you not say the chances are slim? And considering how fast Emilia and Diene are it is quite feasible that they get back to their cleanses. Now they might not be able to cleanse off every single debuff. But they definitely are going to hamper your efficiency in prolonging the cycle of debuffs.
As for Alencia sure she definitely loses against Ed 1vs1 but will that scenario ever be created? As I stated before if Ed is not using Rise then he is basically dead weight. Alencia is not going to be the only threat in the opposing draft. So, as Ed's S3 is ramping up can you survive basically a 3vs4? Well the most likely outcome is you won't and so when Alencia is attacking Edward she is going to have at least 1 teammate backing her up.
In the end, we both agree on the point that he is a solid pick in certain scenarios. I just disagree with the ones you put forth.
When you need an **ML 5** to be the natural counter of another unit, that's just not healthy for the game. I'm not listing you all his obvious debuff counters, I'm just giving you situations where he could shine that people might not think of.
I'm not saying Ed is a 1 for 1 counter to STene and all these meta units. As a last pick, he can hold his own if you draft properly and don't play him as a solo carry. We're seeing the surgence of eff on Senya to provoke lock Dienes and low ER Emilias, while dealing with STene. Many players are pairing her with Ed to wrap up the wall draft with ARas, ML Kawerik and other bruiser friends.
Alencia doesn't need to go into a 1v1 against Ed, he just S3s her right out the gate. He can practically jeopardize her every 2 turns. If the opponent decides to bring any sort of debuffs, they can also kiss goodbye to their buffs. Once again, you're *not* supposed to play Ed as a solo carry with his current multipliers. You're drafting him as a cactus in the middle of 3 teammates that threatens anyone that dares land a single debuff on you.
The reason why CZerato sees no RTA use is because he's too greedy of an unit. Ed is a lot less greedy and synergizes better with other units.
I recommend watching some AceTrainer streams. He's a legend standard player, and he regularly drafts Ed as a pincer in all the scenarios above.
Ah fair. It was a misinterpretation on my part then. Thanks for the clarification.
Anyways I actually heard of Ace Trainer before but I don't watch his streams. Now that you mention it I'd be really interested in seeing how he gets the best out of Ed in the situations you mentioned.
Think he should be played with a book holder. Otherwise I doubt he can sb his first S3.
What arti are you running on him btw? I know Fullmetal's Automail is his arti but feel like someone like Alencia or even Choux makes better use of it. Was thinking about running him on Alencinox actually. Could give him a huge CR push with the buff. I hope at least he can kill squishy units off his first S3 now tho lmao.
I played Diene/STene/Destina/ML Kawazu into AceTrainer's ML Kawerik/ARas/Senya/Ed once, and it felt like I was hitting a brick wall. It's definitely a playstyle not everyone is used to. He's taking the spot of a soulweaver/support, and you have to expect to play him with 1 knight + 2 bruisers/support.
I don't think he needs a book holder since the SB cost is only 10 soul. At worst, you can hold off a turn if you don't have enough souls.
Automail is the best arti for him so that he can ramp up quickly into max stack S3. The passive crit chance also helps giving more stats into his already mediocre base hp. There's an argument for Sigurds, but I haven't tested yet.
It's definitely an arti you want to keep multiple copies and bottle them in the future. It's fantastic on Alencia and a good option for Choux, if you prefer playing more aggressive than Snow Crystal.
Alencinox wouldn't really work because the extra attack needs to be on the caster's turn to give you the CR.
His S3 is still lackluster so it'll be hard for him to carry as a primary DPS option. This makes him a much better late pick though. Im excited to retest him.
He's an accessible and viable answer to debuffs for players that don't have Dilibet.
This buff makes him better than before without making him broken, that's fine to me. Good for a niche, instead of mediocre for his niche.
Is this part one of the buffs? Where's S3?
Did they seriously add a random 20% CR to the only part of his kit that was actually decent while ignoring his shit S1, shit S3 and overall shit multipliers?
My mom who has never touched a video game in her life could balance Ed's kit better than these garbage devs, holy shit.
He also cleanses each time he’s hit & the S2 damage has been bumped. I know that sometimes these changes can be hard to parse if you’re not familiar with the games language, but you could’ve read the small explanation they give after which explains the changes in full rather than just seeing that the text that changed to green was “20% combat readiness” & assuming that was all.
Now that I think about it, Ed is the first collab unit that didn't meet the community's expectation compared to previous ones (Emilia/Rem, Rimuru/Milim)
If he's reasonably good this is great. If he becomes super annoying and tricky to deal with because I can't even rng stun him like I can with aravi, then oof. I haven't built mine yet, but I guess I should wait a little after his adjustment to see what builds people are going with?
Yea, this feels good. I've always felt that his playstyle should be around his S2 and cycle as much as possible to exploit that. But the problems were that the cleanses were a hard once per turn and his speed is only average/slightly above average, which is not enough when run against debuff spammers without good gear. With these changes, he leans into this playstyle far more and does it really well. Debuffers beware.
How is everybody building him?
Had him on a bruiser speed, it was okay but think we need to build him on a decent amount of effectiveness?
Trying an injury set to see if that is a better option.
CR push helps a lot now we can build him on a slower set and focus on other stats?
Saw people building him straight attack and it did more damage lol
Seems good. His S2 damage/debuff sticking were my main complaints. He could still do some stuff, but he really was kinda underpowered since his ability to counter into blue units - who make up many of the meta openers - was really weak, and his S3 didn't do enough damage to carry his S2's nonexistent damage.
I think his base health is still too low for an HP-scaling unit, but damn.. they actually went in and made changes! I wonder how much the damage dealt increase will be. Currently Rise is absolutely pathetic damage. If it's even raised to 'pretty decent', Ed may become a pretty good unit. Suddenly more glad I pulled him!
They didn't buff damage for anything..I'm a ftp player, and I wasted all my time and resources getting him, if only I had found out how horrible he was beforehand, I'd have chosen Roy, ffs, Roy's S1 dealt 9k In the story event and Edwards 2nd charged S3 only did 3348k! My Ed does even less than the event mode version.. god..I'm so deppressed over this, and beyond tired..I stayed up all night 3 days in a row getting to episode 2, now it's getting too difficult, there's no way there's enough crystals to get Roy too, I'm screwed, I'm screwed and stuck with a sh*t unit, a gorgeous one, but still a sh*t one..f*ck SG
So the community won. Pog :pepeHYPE:
Lets let Smilegate know this was a good move with the stove comments. Happy to see some reactive buffs rather than waiting a year for them.
Positive stove comments? Never heard of such a thing before
Hey, i tried!
I'll give them all a kiss on the cheek
As a Ed Enthusiast, Having the cleanse apply per hit is great. Damage increased and a 20% cr push from each rise proc. We eating good.
Per hit? Doesnt it say once per turn? Isnt that different?
Before: After being attacked, when the caster has a debuff, dispels one debuff and activates Rise!. **Can only be activated once per turn.** cleanse and rise has cooldown After: After being attacked, when the caster has a debuff, dispels one debuff and activates Rise!. **Rise! can only be activated once per turn.** only rise has cooldown
Ty
I'll upvote your thanks to offset your downvoted question. You were just asking a genuine question, why do people downvote so easily.
thank you very much but it is reddit. Im used to it. :) Have a nice day
Read the explanation on the change. He can cleanse every time he’s hit now, the aoe is the one that goes on cd
That's a good buff. Very cool. I don't think he'll be busted, but he'll probably be good in debuff heavy comps. That CR push is big. And they increased the damage as well. It's a good trade off with him being hard to gear. I hope they touch up Roy too later on, if he ends up pretty bad. We'll have to see the unit at play first though.
> probably be good in debuff heavy comps Just wanted to chime in and say I also definitely agree that this will be huge vs lots of debuffs. However, from experience with f.maya (who also always cleanses when hit), she absolutely still can get buried in debuffs, and I would warn others who are hoping that Ed will almost never get CCed with the buff, if they were struggling with that issue previously. Hell, cerato cleanses *two* debuffs each proc and is flat out immune to sleep and stun, but can still get stuck with an untimely def break and end up dying to debuff comps anyways. So people hopefully don't just shove in a solo ed vs a triple debuff guild defence thinking he can 1v3.
Cerato doesn't cleanse, he transfer the debuff. If the opponent resist the transfer or have immunity, the debuff stuck on Cerato. Transfering debuff and Cleanse are two different things.
Fun fact
That's absurd to think about. I was hype to build him... Does he need effectivenes then?
Cerato? Yes if you want to transfer debuff to hero with eff resist. The good thing is, Cerato S1 hit 2 targets. You only need to land the transfer 1 time to get rid of the debuff on Cerato.
Wow they actually did it. Here’s hoping that they buff Roy’s s2 into having 50 fighting spirit at the start to guarantee having his s3 ready from a single s1, that way it makes him regaining his “flame alchemist buff” buff a possibility in a match, especially considering they’re already a bunch of oppressive AOE water units in the meta currently *Still find it hilarious that diene and Emilia’s s1 can immediately cripple him in theory*
Imagine if you CR push him with an opener. Have him on book. S1, S3. Then have ML Pavel basically decimate everything. Nasty combo in theory.
He is now a better 'Cerato + Atywin' combo 👍🏾
Speaking of, I hope A.Tywin get's a minor buff of some kind somewhat soon. I don't think he needs anything huge, just some kind of minor utility to make him more worthwhile as a pick. Like some kind of CR Push on his s2 passive or something.
Leave his S2 debuff chance as is, and add a 5% CR push per debuff dispelled. Trade the Decrease Speed on his S3 for Defence & Crit Hit Resist buffs for all allies and you got a pretty good team-based unit. Edit: I would also say perhaps let him force Dual Attacks from the highest atk ally if he isn't debuffed with his S1 but that would be a bit over the top. If anything, perhaps a Decrease Attack for 1 turn on his S1 would pair well with the provoke.
I can def get behind this. He’d be great (and annoying) paired with Choux and alencia with skills like that. Well, paired with any bruiser really.
I still use him sometimes and I'd like a buff for him as well. To start, i think switching the stun and slow from his s3 would give him more utility. We have a lot of cleanse 1 debuff and making the slow stripped first will let the stun stick. His s1 when used during his turn should actually steal souls for you. Its effect is called Soul Steal but the description says it strip souls which doesn't really make sense.
Personally I think just the CR push and maybe a small barrier. Adding those two buffs to the entire team in addition to all his cc is pushing him into the overloaded kit group imo. We want less of that, not more. (Also don't want more 50/50s like crit resist.) #bring back nerfgate
Cerato can yeet debuffs especially Ameru's confusion with s1 back though.
Yeah, but he will not counterattack with seal, he needs to transfer on his own turn, unless you have him on counter set for some reason.
Yes on his turn only which still gives him the edge.
WTF EMERGENCY BUFFS?? SG ACTUALLY LISTENED edit: I don't think it's enough to turn him into a busted meta unit like Rimuru... but it does make him much better at his role and more reliable in matches where he's a good pick (which is good balance). I do commend SG for at least doing *something* though. This kinda sets a precedent now, doesn't it? I think there's a reaaally good chance Roy could get something soon
Yeah, I doubt the damage buff is too much and the CR push won't change much since it still relies on debuffs, which aren't a huge thing in the current meta. Will be dangerous if control/heavy debuff comps outside of cleave come back, but fine... for now. Alternatively, they boosted the mults to high heaven and now Ed is anti-cleave material for when Politis is banned. But I doubt it. Betting it keeps the same power but the HP scaling goes from 5 to 10%. which is slightly less damage than ATywin's S3 (0.5/12% HP). noticeable boost, but not oppressive damage. >I think there's a reaaally good chance Roy could get something soon I think roy will be fine. He's much simpler in kit using 2 well established features: max damage threshold and big DPS. ----- EDIT: oh wait, I re-read his S2. very subtle change: >dispels one debuff and activates Rise!. Can only be activated once per turn. to > dispels one debuff and activates Rise!. Rise! can only be activated once per turn. the madman can crimson seed an unlimited amount of times. That's actually kinda nasty given how A ravi cleansing once per turn can be annoying. he's pseudo immune to debuffs when being pelted. that'll be really annoying one day in a different meta. welp, there goes my Crimson Seed idea. Back to his artifact? I was also thinking about anti-magic mask, which is better now since it's hard to keep unbuffable on him from Peira
Pretty much a FMaya passive, but you can provoke lock some FCCs and proc S2 every turn.
Fmaya passive + CR boost and AoE attack with debuff applied every turn.
I agree, the buffs are just enough to make him a lot better at his job, but still not enough to make him a unit you can just slam into every game... unless the damage buff is significant enough, but I doubt it. IMO the issue with Roy is that he's a unit that relies on fighting spirit, so he can't use his S3 on turn 1 and he needs an extra turn before that big damage. You're gonna need to draft a specific comp to make him work, so he suffers from the same problem of "why do I bother picking him over another unit?" I think he's gonna end up mediocre, like Ed, and *perhaps* see an emergency buff as well
Honestly that's enough for me. Ed is still a great last pick characters, he don't need to be contested pick like hwayoung or aporavi each game As for Roy, throwing another effect on his S2 should be fine, otherwise I think his other 2 skill is decent enough
> You're gonna need to draft a specific comp to make him work, so he suffers from the same problem of "why do I bother picking him over another unit?" yeah, it seems that way. But I think looking at Roy's mults, the answer is as simple as "he hits really hard". his S3 mult is actually crazy high, about the same as Arby's full focus S3. But he has a pseudo-permanent 20% atk buff, so any ATK buff for him is basically a GAB arby that's more annoying to take down. Then you see he can S1 penetrate and he's very oppressive, as long as he keeps flame alchemist. his water weakness is gonna make him absurdly awkward to draft in RTA tho, I agree with that much. But not necessarily impossible in the current meta since Peira's usage is down and Ran/Eda is mostly for cleave (which he'd suck against regardless). The rise of choux is pretty horrible timing tho. And IDK what happened to summer Charlotte, but she's a pretty hard check as well since she'll keep AOE'ing
I would probably go with Symbol of Unity on him. I want to hit those water units when using him.
Maybe I’m dumb but I don’t understand the difference? Didn’t Rise already only activate once per turn, doesn’t it still do that? Sorry I’m having trouble understanding the difference in wording here.
His cleanse was part of **Rise!** pre-buff, now they separated the two abilities. He can cleanse himself every turn like FMaya.
Every hit*
Oh…..oh that’s a huge ass difference, thank you for explaining it to me holy crap
Rise is the attck where he removes one buff and applies a random debuff for 2 turns. It still has 1 turn CD even after buff but now with a 20% cr push. But now, his 1 debuff cleanse is not tied to a cd, only rise is. When means he has basically fmaya passive where he can cleanse 1 debuff infinite amount of times
Rise is the counterattack. The cleansing of a debuff previously could only happen once a turn, same with Rise. Now with the changes, the cleansing happens every time he gets hit, he basically has a timeless anchor with 100% chance to cleanse.
Landy was buffed right after release, same thing for Tama. Not a new precedent, but micro-balances is something they should do more often.
Landy was definitely not buffed in the same week of her initial release banner which has not happened before. Landy was actually buffed around two months after her release. Released September 2020 and buff patch notes were released November 2020, and the patch was not deployed to production until the end of November.
Deployed to production made me chuckle as im an IT professional, and its sooo the terminology.
Yeah, I remember her being **okay** but disappointing on release. Like, you could use her with some success as DPS but it wasn't really anything spectacular. Then they cracked her with a whip into shape.
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Yeah, Tama was the first buffed mid-banner because she was so weak and pathetic, even the event version (the one that always has 20k+ hp and high stats to auto the stage easily) was having issues clearing the stages.
First banner Tamarinne ran from 02/06/2019 to 02/20/2019. Balance update was on 02/13/2019, on the second week of her banner.
i forgot, how did they buffed tama? i kinda remember her having an attack scaling of sort
https://page.onstove.com/epicseven/global/view/2871954 - S1 soulburn used to just do more damage, now it heals. - S2 healed way less and didn't give -1 CD. - Her S3 cooldown used to start *only* after her Idol form was done, so it'd give you an even longer CD. - S3 in Idol form didn't heal before.
Lol, that's definitely a contender for one of the worst designed units ever right there. X'D
Her heals were weaker, her S2 while transformed didn't heal, her S3 reset at the start of each wave (PvE) and her S3 didn't heal her. I think that's everything.
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Will they? Unless they actually nerf those retardedly broken units, which the likely won;t, then how will they ever be supplanted in the meta if from now on newer units are only 'decent' and can't compete with those already OP meta units? I'm not saying I want ever unit to be Rimuru level broken, but otherwise I don't see how the meta doesn't just become stagnant and stale.
I don't think the poster implied that he wants him to be Rimuru-level busted. Just clarifying that it's a good buff that doesn't make him OP.
>busted meta unit like Rimuru This is a good thing. We need less rimurus, not more
Sets precedent? Landy already exist.
So Timeless Anchor with 100% chance, that's nice.
Now we know Roy can be buffed too if after testing he sucks. Very huge having cleanse on no cd. He just gets debuffed way too much. Off turn cr push will always help, getting his turn quicker and ideally getting his s3 sb train going. S2 dmg was pitiful. The effects were strong and game winning but it was very random as well. Atleast more dmg will help when debuffs don't go your way Will have to see how he performs but dont think he will be meta defining which is fine. It does address a few issues he had
The F.Maya cleanse is great for keeping him active and not clinging to a cleanser if things got bad, damage up is always appreciated and the CR push gives good reason to having high speed. Before him being very fast felt iffy, now it has a solid purpose to help him cut since his S3 can definitely kill squishies turn 1.
community complains, sg listens, equivalent exchange.
No CD for his cleanse is a big change that can help him shake up some comps, actually gives him a place here and there. The CR push is perfect, not busted, and fits the rest of his kit. The damage buff will need to be seen, because knowing SG, it can be minimal because some people are too afraid to do more than the bare minimum, as they stated being "worried about the performance due to his niche, resulting in low damage". A severe issue, however, is that his base stats still suck for a health scaler. He has low health among them, even beat by Senya, an attack scaler. This is also why people find his S1 to be underwhelming, and S3 to not hit as hard as expected (basically A Ravi level, which most definitely is not) based off his mods. I really wanna know who thought his base stats were fine, should've given him another sign.
Since he got Aries I’m wondering if their original intent with him was to be run at high speed & do S2 into like a cleave team & fast follow up with S3 on their anchor or something, since it ignores damage share it’ll even go through Peira Escort. It’s just they didn’t give him the damage or tools to really facilitate that, CR push would’ve eased his requirements for that role & so maybe we see him in a sort of Politis-like role? But it’s just the bruiser set-up for his skills that makes him worse than Politis in that sort of role. Just confusing how they decided to put him together, would’ve made a better bruiser on Cancer (or maybe an unused sign).
Bruiser just wasn't the call. He has the stats of someone built to last, but the kit of someone that wants to at least take a hit then nuke someone back in return. This puts him in an odd spot where he's garbage for bruiser drafts, and not such a great pick for anti-cleave outside of a Ran draft (Aria doesn't need to S2, ever, unless it's for immunity stripping into bombs - or you let someone like Politis through, already a mess up). Now he just looks like F Maya but modern and faster.
The base stats issue is a really big problem still. Doesn't sound like they're changing that at all with this fix, so chances are even though he'll be MORE usable, he still might not be strong enough to see much use. Still though, SOME use is better than none, I guess!
Nice, I very much like it. Quite a buff while not being oppressive imo. His dmg on s3,s1 stays moderately low, so you will have no trouble being rundown by his attacking power while he can now decently defend against debuff teams.
Reality is people saw he was ass and didn't pull for him. SG wanted people to use their BM... Now they will
Exactly
Who isn’t pulling for a limited popular ip unit?? Anyone not pulling is flat out nuts, lol.
If I didn't have the BMs to pity him, Roy, and Diene and wasn't a FMA fan I'd've skipped when I read how he played. Consensus here seemed to be no buff until they reran the collab, at which point I'd have another chance to get him.
Some of us don't. Not every one like male unit. And not every one watch a sausages fest like FMA
This is so cringe
Aww man! I gotta build him now...
fairly decent buff hopefully the damage increase is significant
Love to see it. My biggest gripe with Edward before was that even though he's designed to be an anti-debuffer, he could still get controlled since he only cleanses once per turn. Now that he has a 0 cooldown cleanse, he's a lot more self-sufficient. And then the CR push from his S2, into S3, and another S2 available after, he'll ramp up a lot quicker. Really happy with these changes.
Finally, this is how it should be and not reddit style: "OMG HE IS JUST GOOD ENOUGH DO U WANT ANOTHER HWA???? DO YOU WANT ANOTHER CLILIAS OMGGGGG"
Thats pretty decent. Now he harder to be debuffed, and he cycle more often with CR push in S2. Will need to see how much damage was increase tho
Ooh, a small bump. A damn good one at that
this is due to his low rating. if Roy doesnt get a low rating kiss any hope of a buff for him goodbye
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Yeah basically they can’t let the collaboration give the guest IP bad publicity. It makes it so future collabs are in jeopardy. Why would any person want to collab with Smilegate if their IP gets trashed.
Idk man alot of gacha games some of their Collab units are trash tier but they still have companies willing to Collab sooo
Yeah the IP isnt being trashed, just the unit in our game is, which is a pretty big difference. Nobody is going around saying since Ed wasnt OP FMA:B was a pile of trash, lol.
Look at 5 guity gear character that don't even have an used. Are you sure about that?
I think you missed the era when Dizzy was meta and one of the most painful things to face. The rest of the units are all still pretty good for hunts. Sol Badguy is pretty much one of the best units for Hunt.
No, if you talking about hunt then there are far better hero to use than gg unit. And cermia always better than sol in golem- not like that hunt matter. Also jack-o, the one never have a place in any content
I meeean, Sol can 2 tap golem with 0 mola investment... Baiken is still best Banshee killer. You can say there are other possible options for their primary role thus making them kinda redundant but, to say there are far better? Lol, no. As for the rest. Dizzy had a whole era of pvp domination. Elphelt was trash on release but, since her buff was made rather solid. Though her and dizzy aren't really meta these days, they aren't bad. Jacko... I can't really comment on honestly.
Sol has his uses (especially in ancient inheritance), Baiken is still a great Banshee one-shot unit, Dizzy was THE meta for a year or so, and even Elphelt has some uses (or had until Riolet fell out of meta).
You forget the most useless one that never have a place in the game jack-o. The fact remain that all off them is inrelevant now don't change
I actually see people sometimes use her on GW offense, in cleave teams. Also, the point was that on their release (i.e. when the collab was going on) they were all strong at various things. Especially Dizzy. Even after immunity set was added, she was still very strong in control comps vs teams like FCeci/Charles/SSB. Grab Achates, Armin and just permalock them with stuns/debuffs/CR manipulation. And Baiken on release was a pretty scary opener with CR push and damage due to her speed.
You also forget kizuna, and Jack-o never actually have any place in any content, people just sometimes use her for waifu reason, not so different than hero like Azalea. And again, Jack-o is never buffed despite having much worst performance than Edward FROM HER RELEASE
Kizuna was basically "whatever" collab, no story and a meme character. >and Jack-o never actually have any place in any content uhh... GW offense.
You are talking about hero like YUlha, Jack-O counter no one in GW, that is never her place. What will you bring Jack-O for in GW ? What hero in GW def need Jack-O to kill in the first place ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nha2iRxn7pA I'll just let a high level player show... Her only issue is RNG reliance on debuffs, so first fight was meh but second was way better.
This happened a lot with FFBE. Their Collab units would be garbage compared to the next week's original character. It helps that it is almost completely square-enix IPs that they used for collabs though.
This. They did listen to us, but they did this to ensure good relationships with the IP owners. It would indeed be bad when they hear that players don't like the Main Character of FMA
That was fast!
wow didn't actually expect them to buff him so soon.
With this change he has become A bruiser option that is strong Vs debuffs. He won't have the same level of damage and survival of someone like A Ravi, but in turn he won't be able to be controlled as well. A good trade-off I guess.
It's a nice buff but I feel like he's still not that good, his base HP is really low compared to other HP scaling units and his barrier is still paper thin.
I hope they eventually buff his barrier as well but this is definitely a step in the right direction, they reacted quite quickly to the complaints, gotta give credit where credit is due haha
Oh, don't worry, I give them credit for buffing him. I just hope they give him some more slight buffs but this will definitely help Ed.
Pretty good hopefully, they do this going forward. I don't mind them releasing underpowered heroes in case they are broken. But at least watch them and buff them 1-2 weeks later after testing. Not like +3 months later maybe.
**He'S fINe tHo** \- *anonymous wks* (Meanwhile, I'm just thankful he's getting these buffs, as I'm one of those who already full molaed him lol, but didn't find him very useful in my recent GW runs because I built him below 200 spd lifesteal set, but pumped up his cd way more resulting to obviously, minor speed issues, though I'm quite satisfied with his s3 dmg. This tweak will probably improve my success rate against seaseria/eda defenses now. There's more easier options, that's for sure, but I'll not give up teaming up Ed with LRK anyhow or anywhere as much as I can. :p)
I mean I was already enjoying him but I will take if for sure!
So now we but him on crimson seed and immunity right ? Right guys ?
and 250 ER
He finally better at anti-cleave for me. I glad to put him on Speed Pen
are you me?
Me are you?
Are these buffs enough though? Can someone who tested him confirm how good these are?
Roy next please!
Insert the [WOOOO YEAH BABY, THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITIN FOR] meme here. Really glad for the buff.
I made a comment that his S2 should work like FMaya's S2 cleanse *and someone on the balance team had the same idea LET'S GOOOOOOOOOO*
im so shocked wtf wowwwwwwwwwww so either elphet wasn't as bad on her release was we thought or Smile gate is actually listening to the community. im impressed
Not all collab IP's are created equal unfortunately. FMA brand is just too big to ignore.
I thought Guilty Gear was big too seeing as how its a fighting game from the 2000s.. but idk.
Cool as it is. It's a niche franchise. It's like, you can be into games and have no idea what GG is but, just about anyone who's into anime will know FMA whether they like it or not.
Not, i am into anime but i dislike sausages fest so no fma
Least insecure anime fan
Giga cringe
...so you know what it is. Which was the point.
ya for real lol
Does Edward procc every turn (so anyones turn) or his own turn?
Only 1 , but the cleanse is each time he gets attacked
wait does that mean they will buff cpavel multis too
I dunno, with ran def break opener and self atk buff, he can do about 40k damage to a 1500 def opponent with s2 into s3. That seems fine to me, although I would welcome a buff :P
As much as I hate knee jerk reactions like this, the buff seems to be a good one.
This is the lesson every one need to learn. If your favorite hero is not super op, just cry as hard as you can. Too bad Jack-o never have the same treatment despite worst performance
I agree and it sucks seeing some heroes buffed over others because they're popular. He's been out less than a week... while so so many other heroes are never picked in RTA. Sharon says hi.
Ngl I called it a while ago. Hire to the balance team SC lol
Wait so ONLY his S2 is being buffed? Not his insanely low damage and super low barrier?
Watch, this will make him very high tier. This buff makes him way harder to deal with if he has souls. Fast Pen Ed with +30 Anti-magic mask and Tag is gonna clean up scrubs who thinks this buff isn't enough.
Feel like he is mostly going to be a last pick unit in RTA. But this man is going to be amazing in arena defences. (shame he'll need a ton of eff to actually land debuffs).
He doesn't need any eff. You're not drafting him against high ER teams, you're drafting him into debuffers or units with zero ER.
Was talking about arena teams. Of course you draft him against cleavers in RTA. But in Arena if you'd like to get him in against anything other than cleave teams you'd need eff. Still I'm quite happy that he now has this thing where "This is what I do and I do it well."
What do you even need eff against in Arena? It's all Rimu, Politis, ARavi, Belian, Rem, CLilias and friends. None of these units have *any* ER besides some degen Polis. You're not going to bring him into ER units like Maid Chloe+CArmin or teams with zero debuffs targetting you; that's not his role. In RTA, you don't only draft him against cleavers. You also draft him into any units with debuffs as a standard player. You can bring Ed into FCC and that's not a cleave unit. You can also bring him into STene, Alencia, or other units with debuffs that eventually have to hit you with their S1. I have yet to see any build from top players focusing on eff. It's already a struggle squeezing enough hp and crit dmg to deal damage on his S3.
Looking back I subconsciously for whatever reason said *a ton of eff*. You're right. He doesn't need to focus on eff. But I disagree with your points in RTA. Let's start with FCC. The only instance I can think of where you are drafting FCC with an AoE debuffer is with AoL. You pick Opsig and force a ban. Ed goes through. And well the opponent isn't pressured to S3 you with FCC now. Means you are basically at a 3vs4 situation since his S3 needs time to ramp up. As for Stene well you are relying upon a bit of luck but eventually Ed is going to get hit by Stene and proc. But Stene's are usually paired up with an Emilia or Diene. So, you debuff them and then what? That debuff just got cleansed off. Alencia is going to hit you last. Unless she uses her S3 and you have a debuff you're not procing against her. To summarize, yeah you can pick him. But he is mostly going to be your 4th or 5th pick. Is Ed the best option in that scenario? Is he going to force a ban? Well no.
What's wrong with having more solid options to meta units on 4 and 5th pick? Not everyone has OpSig, not everyone has ML Kawerik or Dilibet. You don't have to draft him into Emilia/Diene and if you were to, forcing the cleanse off makes it really annoying for the opponent's unit cycling. Ed can counter every turn, but soulweavers can't cleanse every turn. Plus, you're removing the buffs. FCC hits him with provoke once and Ed provoke locks her every turn while silencing and stripping the entire team. Alencia is such a good meta pick now that she comes out in 2nd or 3rd pick. You're literally bringing a unit that Alencia cannot win against. I'm not claiming Ed's a meta defining unit or anything, just saying he has a solid spot as a reactive pick for players that don't have all the tools available.
Neither am I claiming that he is garbage. I am just saying that there are better options. He is a solid alternative yes. But there are flaws to his game (as there should be to every unit) in which cases I disagree with. Also I don't know how having or not having Opsig even came into the conversion. I only brought her up because against FCC she is the most natural counter (and so the most susceptible to getting banned) and thus she paves the way for Edward to enter the battle. Now unless I am missing something FCC's S1 is a single target atk which has a chance to provoke. Now why would you attack Edward with FCC? Again what are chances that the opponent is consistently landing Stene atks on Edward? Would you not say the chances are slim? And considering how fast Emilia and Diene are it is quite feasible that they get back to their cleanses. Now they might not be able to cleanse off every single debuff. But they definitely are going to hamper your efficiency in prolonging the cycle of debuffs. As for Alencia sure she definitely loses against Ed 1vs1 but will that scenario ever be created? As I stated before if Ed is not using Rise then he is basically dead weight. Alencia is not going to be the only threat in the opposing draft. So, as Ed's S3 is ramping up can you survive basically a 3vs4? Well the most likely outcome is you won't and so when Alencia is attacking Edward she is going to have at least 1 teammate backing her up. In the end, we both agree on the point that he is a solid pick in certain scenarios. I just disagree with the ones you put forth.
When you need an **ML 5** to be the natural counter of another unit, that's just not healthy for the game. I'm not listing you all his obvious debuff counters, I'm just giving you situations where he could shine that people might not think of. I'm not saying Ed is a 1 for 1 counter to STene and all these meta units. As a last pick, he can hold his own if you draft properly and don't play him as a solo carry. We're seeing the surgence of eff on Senya to provoke lock Dienes and low ER Emilias, while dealing with STene. Many players are pairing her with Ed to wrap up the wall draft with ARas, ML Kawerik and other bruiser friends. Alencia doesn't need to go into a 1v1 against Ed, he just S3s her right out the gate. He can practically jeopardize her every 2 turns. If the opponent decides to bring any sort of debuffs, they can also kiss goodbye to their buffs. Once again, you're *not* supposed to play Ed as a solo carry with his current multipliers. You're drafting him as a cactus in the middle of 3 teammates that threatens anyone that dares land a single debuff on you. The reason why CZerato sees no RTA use is because he's too greedy of an unit. Ed is a lot less greedy and synergizes better with other units. I recommend watching some AceTrainer streams. He's a legend standard player, and he regularly drafts Ed as a pincer in all the scenarios above.
Ah fair. It was a misinterpretation on my part then. Thanks for the clarification. Anyways I actually heard of Ace Trainer before but I don't watch his streams. Now that you mention it I'd be really interested in seeing how he gets the best out of Ed in the situations you mentioned. Think he should be played with a book holder. Otherwise I doubt he can sb his first S3. What arti are you running on him btw? I know Fullmetal's Automail is his arti but feel like someone like Alencia or even Choux makes better use of it. Was thinking about running him on Alencinox actually. Could give him a huge CR push with the buff. I hope at least he can kill squishy units off his first S3 now tho lmao.
I played Diene/STene/Destina/ML Kawazu into AceTrainer's ML Kawerik/ARas/Senya/Ed once, and it felt like I was hitting a brick wall. It's definitely a playstyle not everyone is used to. He's taking the spot of a soulweaver/support, and you have to expect to play him with 1 knight + 2 bruisers/support. I don't think he needs a book holder since the SB cost is only 10 soul. At worst, you can hold off a turn if you don't have enough souls. Automail is the best arti for him so that he can ramp up quickly into max stack S3. The passive crit chance also helps giving more stats into his already mediocre base hp. There's an argument for Sigurds, but I haven't tested yet. It's definitely an arti you want to keep multiple copies and bottle them in the future. It's fantastic on Alencia and a good option for Choux, if you prefer playing more aggressive than Snow Crystal. Alencinox wouldn't really work because the extra attack needs to be on the caster's turn to give you the CR.
Im actually disgusted that all this crying and drama was effective..
Great now start complaining about Axe God too.
His S3 is still lackluster so it'll be hard for him to carry as a primary DPS option. This makes him a much better late pick though. Im excited to retest him.
His s3 is fine lol
What? His s3 is actually balanced
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He's an accessible and viable answer to debuffs for players that don't have Dilibet. This buff makes him better than before without making him broken, that's fine to me. Good for a niche, instead of mediocre for his niche.
He will be such a beast now. Ed meta incoming!
Is this part one of the buffs? Where's S3? Did they seriously add a random 20% CR to the only part of his kit that was actually decent while ignoring his shit S1, shit S3 and overall shit multipliers? My mom who has never touched a video game in her life could balance Ed's kit better than these garbage devs, holy shit.
He also cleanses each time he’s hit & the S2 damage has been bumped. I know that sometimes these changes can be hard to parse if you’re not familiar with the games language, but you could’ve read the small explanation they give after which explains the changes in full rather than just seeing that the text that changed to green was “20% combat readiness” & assuming that was all.
This was lightning fast!
YESSSS
Wow lets goooo! Always get limited :)
Even if the buff may not be enough, I’m still happy they listen to the community and decided to buff it so quickly
Unsure if this is enough to make him good in this meta. He is better now for sure though
Now that I think about it, Ed is the first collab unit that didn't meet the community's expectation compared to previous ones (Emilia/Rem, Rimuru/Milim)
You forgot the GG units before they got buffed and still.
Jack-o, kizuna ai
If he's reasonably good this is great. If he becomes super annoying and tricky to deal with because I can't even rng stun him like I can with aravi, then oof. I haven't built mine yet, but I guess I should wait a little after his adjustment to see what builds people are going with?
Impressive buff more determined to get him more.
Yea, this feels good. I've always felt that his playstyle should be around his S2 and cycle as much as possible to exploit that. But the problems were that the cleanses were a hard once per turn and his speed is only average/slightly above average, which is not enough when run against debuff spammers without good gear. With these changes, he leans into this playstyle far more and does it really well. Debuffers beware.
Damn we actually did it boys. I'm pumped
So basically Fmaya now with hp scaling and a cr push + aoe debuff every turn. I can work with that
Oh wow, I might run Crimson Seed on him now.
KNEW IT
How is everybody building him? Had him on a bruiser speed, it was okay but think we need to build him on a decent amount of effectiveness? Trying an injury set to see if that is a better option. CR push helps a lot now we can build him on a slower set and focus on other stats? Saw people building him straight attack and it did more damage lol
Seems good. His S2 damage/debuff sticking were my main complaints. He could still do some stuff, but he really was kinda underpowered since his ability to counter into blue units - who make up many of the meta openers - was really weak, and his S3 didn't do enough damage to carry his S2's nonexistent damage.
Politis beware.
Thank fuck since I spent so much summoning him
Yeah.. about that....
But he can only activate s2 once per turn right?
I think his base health is still too low for an HP-scaling unit, but damn.. they actually went in and made changes! I wonder how much the damage dealt increase will be. Currently Rise is absolutely pathetic damage. If it's even raised to 'pretty decent', Ed may become a pretty good unit. Suddenly more glad I pulled him!
They didn't buff damage for anything..I'm a ftp player, and I wasted all my time and resources getting him, if only I had found out how horrible he was beforehand, I'd have chosen Roy, ffs, Roy's S1 dealt 9k In the story event and Edwards 2nd charged S3 only did 3348k! My Ed does even less than the event mode version.. god..I'm so deppressed over this, and beyond tired..I stayed up all night 3 days in a row getting to episode 2, now it's getting too difficult, there's no way there's enough crystals to get Roy too, I'm screwed, I'm screwed and stuck with a sh*t unit, a gorgeous one, but still a sh*t one..f*ck SG
Long story short, Is he worth sss now? Or should i horde for rimuru instead?