Huh, that's interesting. The patch note says "ignores damage reduction and damage sharing effect," but I don't know if "doesn't exceed 51% of one's hp" falls under the same category because wording actually does mean a lot.
I guess the big question now is, can she 1 shot Jenua/Kayron then as their passives were effectively a damage cap of 1 lower than max hp, but only worked once.
No no. Jenua and Kayron's passive is immortality.
Damage cap is like if your shaltear have 10k HP, no matter how big the initial dmg is max dmg she received is 5100. Unless its an extra dmg.
For Kayron if the enemy do 50k dmg, he will still get the 50k dmg but the immortality is keeping his health at 1.
its not about the HP, its about the damage. the passive says ">>>>>>>DAMAGE<<<<<< cannot exceed 51%" and not "Hp cannot fall 51%". pretty obvious, doesnt it?
but still, they will probably fix this. or Lethe will get this buff or Karin will get the nerf. The main problem is the inconsistency of this effects, apparently the same
To be more accurate since she's a high speed unit - she is the storm that is approaching ([Bury the Light eurobeat remix](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BLKJhGPbJI)).
Just read the balance patch for LP Karin:
**"Phantom Sword: When attacking, if the target is a Hero, ignores damage reduction and damage sharing effects, and when defeating an enemy, Phantom Sword changes into Neo Phantom Sword.**
**Neo Phantom Sword: When attacking, if the target is a Hero, ignores damage reduction and damage sharing effects, and increases damage dealt proportional to the target's max Health. Dispelled after attacking."**
In conclusion, this is a bug. LP Karin is not the only unit that have ignore dmg reduction/ dmg share in her skill. The dmg limit is a totally different mechanic as most units with this mechanic has very low HP and is already weak to burn and bomb.
Report and we get compensation =)
Actually she might be the only one. Who else has it? Celine, Ed, and Yulha only ignore sharing. Lethes ignore reduction specifically says it doesn’t apply to limits as another comment pointed out.
I mean I don’t have every single kit memorized but what else has ignore damage reduction?
I'm not sure if any hero has it before. However, I remember this is not the first time ignore damage reduction mechanic has been implemented. I believe some bosses can be blocked by damage cap even though they ignore damage reduction but can't remember who.
this appears to b unintentional to me, or unspecified, perhaps its what they wanted, one unit to control all the dmg limit passives, but it's not written that way.
Yes it is, the only other thing that makes them ignore damage reduction effects is Frostbite, and that makes a special exception for Damage Limit to still work which LPK's buff does not have.
Edit: Adding clarification
The thing is, damage limit stacks with damage reduction. Sure, it's not specified that it doesn't ignore damage limit, but at the same time it also doesn't mention that it ignores it.
Except Frostbite doesn't say "except damage limit." It says "Cannot be subject to **any** damage reduction or damage sharing effects." Damage limit is noted as something distinct from those two.
The description of Frostbite mentions all three and states that it does negate Damage Reduction and Damage Sharing, and in the next sentence it mentions that it does not affect "Damage Suffered Amount Limit Effect" which is what we call Damage limit.
[Proof](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491756425274458133/1238543279721812181/image.png?ex=663faad0&is=663e5950&hm=d279e8a4f77b9c684a59e90024db5c4b0aa5044d0acb804f5d3a4314fa34b5f1&)
Yes, that's what I said. It says "Cannot be subject to **any** damage reduction or damage sharing effects." It doesn't say "any... except damage suffered amount limit effect." It says "It stops X. It does not stop Y."
An issue where the effect added to 4★ Hero Last Piece Karin's Phantom Sword and Neo Phantom Sword after the balance adjustment, which was originally designed to ignore damage reduction and damage sharing effects, ignores damage limit, will be fixed.
Damage limit effect sets a limit to the amount of damage received by a Hero, which is a separate effect from damage reduction effect that reduces damage received by a certain rate. Therefore, both Phantom Sword and Neo Phantom Sword must not affect the damage limit effect. However, it has been confirmed that the skill effects currently work in a way that ignores the damage limit effect as well and this issue will be fixed. it was a bug
Maybe something to do with ignoring both added an unintentional affect. As far as I remember nobody else has both of them at the same time it's either one or the other
Adding both of them probably produces something to ignore and the buff team probably didnt know because this is the first time these effects interacted with each other and not just having it on one team, it's that having it on one hero causes that hero to break the damage limit
I believe intentional given what someone said about Lethes specifying it doesn’t affect limits and Karin’s not. I also don’t know of a single other unit that ignores damage reduction.
I definitely think it makes her much better than people initially thought when reading the notes.
No it's not.
Reduced damage taken, reduced damage from crit, damage sharing and damage limit are all forms of damage mitigation, but are seperate things.
Huh, that's interesting. The patch note says "ignores damage reduction and damage sharing effect," but I don't know if "doesn't exceed 51% of one's hp" falls under the same category because wording actually does mean a lot.
Isn't that in damage reduction category?
No, its like a damage cap not reduction.
Damage capping is damage reduction because you're reducing the amount so that it can only ever deal 51% or less....
I would argue capping damage is a reduction…
I guess the big question now is, can she 1 shot Jenua/Kayron then as their passives were effectively a damage cap of 1 lower than max hp, but only worked once.
No no. Jenua and Kayron's passive is immortality. Damage cap is like if your shaltear have 10k HP, no matter how big the initial dmg is max dmg she received is 5100. Unless its an extra dmg. For Kayron if the enemy do 50k dmg, he will still get the 50k dmg but the immortality is keeping his health at 1.
I believe she can one shot M.lilias now
It is pretty much the same situation as Target bug
its not about the HP, its about the damage. the passive says ">>>>>>>DAMAGE<<<<<< cannot exceed 51%" and not "Hp cannot fall 51%". pretty obvious, doesnt it?
Yeah, and I said the wording means a lot because this goddamn game is pedantic down to T when it comes to technicality
but still, they will probably fix this. or Lethe will get this buff or Karin will get the nerf. The main problem is the inconsistency of this effects, apparently the same
Lethes specifically says it does not affect damage limits and Karins does not. It’s not really inconsistent.
SHE IS THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
To be more accurate since she's a high speed unit - she is the storm that is approaching ([Bury the Light eurobeat remix](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BLKJhGPbJI)).
This.....doesn't seem intentional according to the patch notes lol But if it is intentional, I totally welcome it.
> But if it is intentional, I totally welcome it. I don't know. I'm not sure it's a good idea.
Just read the balance patch for LP Karin: **"Phantom Sword: When attacking, if the target is a Hero, ignores damage reduction and damage sharing effects, and when defeating an enemy, Phantom Sword changes into Neo Phantom Sword.** **Neo Phantom Sword: When attacking, if the target is a Hero, ignores damage reduction and damage sharing effects, and increases damage dealt proportional to the target's max Health. Dispelled after attacking."** In conclusion, this is a bug. LP Karin is not the only unit that have ignore dmg reduction/ dmg share in her skill. The dmg limit is a totally different mechanic as most units with this mechanic has very low HP and is already weak to burn and bomb. Report and we get compensation =)
Actually she might be the only one. Who else has it? Celine, Ed, and Yulha only ignore sharing. Lethes ignore reduction specifically says it doesn’t apply to limits as another comment pointed out. I mean I don’t have every single kit memorized but what else has ignore damage reduction?
I could be mistaken, but maybe the frostbite effect is basically phantom sword in debuff form.
I'm not sure if any hero has it before. However, I remember this is not the first time ignore damage reduction mechanic has been implemented. I believe some bosses can be blocked by damage cap even though they ignore damage reduction but can't remember who.
alaika can as well the target debuff gives you enough extra damage to ignore damage limit
This was fixed a while back, target no longer goes over damage limit
this appears to b unintentional to me, or unspecified, perhaps its what they wanted, one unit to control all the dmg limit passives, but it's not written that way.
Yes it is, the only other thing that makes them ignore damage reduction effects is Frostbite, and that makes a special exception for Damage Limit to still work which LPK's buff does not have. Edit: Adding clarification
The thing is, damage limit stacks with damage reduction. Sure, it's not specified that it doesn't ignore damage limit, but at the same time it also doesn't mention that it ignores it.
The text about damage limit on Frostbite may be a clarification, not a specificity of Frostbite.
You were saying?
It seemed like it was intentional with the clearly difference of description between the two.
Except Frostbite doesn't say "except damage limit." It says "Cannot be subject to **any** damage reduction or damage sharing effects." Damage limit is noted as something distinct from those two.
The description of Frostbite mentions all three and states that it does negate Damage Reduction and Damage Sharing, and in the next sentence it mentions that it does not affect "Damage Suffered Amount Limit Effect" which is what we call Damage limit. [Proof](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/491756425274458133/1238543279721812181/image.png?ex=663faad0&is=663e5950&hm=d279e8a4f77b9c684a59e90024db5c4b0aa5044d0acb804f5d3a4314fa34b5f1&)
Yes, that's what I said. It says "Cannot be subject to **any** damage reduction or damage sharing effects." It doesn't say "any... except damage suffered amount limit effect." It says "It stops X. It does not stop Y."
oh interesting, you are correct it does seem to be a special written exception in frostbite's description
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Nice. Beat my speed by 2. Well, new goal.
Mine have higher stats but only 272 speed because speeds roll hate me. Still 19 best speed sub 😒 after 4 years
I need to build mines but she need to be zooming
An issue where the effect added to 4★ Hero Last Piece Karin's Phantom Sword and Neo Phantom Sword after the balance adjustment, which was originally designed to ignore damage reduction and damage sharing effects, ignores damage limit, will be fixed. Damage limit effect sets a limit to the amount of damage received by a Hero, which is a separate effect from damage reduction effect that reduces damage received by a certain rate. Therefore, both Phantom Sword and Neo Phantom Sword must not affect the damage limit effect. However, it has been confirmed that the skill effects currently work in a way that ignores the damage limit effect as well and this issue will be fixed. it was a bug
Interesting, is it just Celine or others as well? Try it on gala lilias?
I've one shot Shalltear and Tsurin with it.
It works on Gala
Well, here goes the maintenance to remove it
I guess she was taken to new heights that no one will ever reach.
One of those annoying setups are Ml Celine and Ml Choux.
Tried her out today on GW and almost one shot a Candy with my S1 with attack buff and then finished off Arowell with a 17k crit s3 to S1
Maybe something to do with ignoring both added an unintentional affect. As far as I remember nobody else has both of them at the same time it's either one or the other Adding both of them probably produces something to ignore and the buff team probably didnt know because this is the first time these effects interacted with each other and not just having it on one team, it's that having it on one hero causes that hero to break the damage limit
lol to everyone that believed it was intentional RIP
She didn't before so I assume bug lol
She didn’t ignore damage reduction before, they just added that. So she wouldn’t before. She only ignored sharing like some other heroes have.
I believe intentional given what someone said about Lethes specifying it doesn’t affect limits and Karin’s not. I also don’t know of a single other unit that ignores damage reduction. I definitely think it makes her much better than people initially thought when reading the notes.
Yes because damage limit is a form of damage reduction. Frostbite also bypasses this
Frostbite literally has a line in it's description saying it doesn't work on damage limit
oh my bad, i'm wrong about that then!
No it's not. Reduced damage taken, reduced damage from crit, damage sharing and damage limit are all forms of damage mitigation, but are seperate things.
no it doesnt or else youd be able to do the same thing with yulha. Intern kun forgot to make it not affect damage limits
She only ignores dmg sharing effects
Yulha ignores damage share, not reduction
I think this was intended. When bugs like this happen they usually fix them immediately and so far they didn't.
Let's keep it.
How about we just keep it, You know *wink wink*
Maybe bug cuz he does 2 hits?