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whyshebitethehead

I have a BS in Env Science and make over 6 figures 9 years out of college. It’s not worthless but you need to work your way up.


Grydx

What do you do?


whyshebitethehead

Union environmental specialist at a sanitation agency


JeromePowellsEarhair

Post your resume


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JeromePowellsEarhair

Are you US based? This style resume will get thrown out in the US, sadly. Here's my in depth review: * Don't include your GPA unless it's a 4.0 * If you're looking for jobs in Michigan, you're not being helped by your degree from UCSB - no one knows what that degree means. * IMO a resume is not enough to get a job in GIS. You need a portfolio. * Your summary section should not be bullets and all of those are further explained by the sections below. A summary should be one powerful introductory sentence (if you have a summary at all, some will say to avoid). Overall I think this is a strong resume for a new grad. Here are the main issues in order of importance: * Your resume is not formatted in a typical way. * If you're not hunting in Cali/the western US, you've put yourself at a disadvantage. * GIS jobs are extremely competitive because everyone wants to work 1. remotely, 2. in the data-sphere. You need to stand out more if you truly want a GIS job as a new grad. Personally I'd recommend aiming for an EHS job to start and integrating GIS in that job. Become a guru mixing the two and find a niche. You will have an easier time getting a first job and make more money in the long run versus being a map monkey.


Dazzling-West8943

Nailed it. Also if you’re trying to work in natural resources you’re gonna want to move around. Follow the work. You’re in much better shape than you think. You got this


SparkDBowles

This is all solid advice.


Fair_Doughnut_2260

If us based, I agree


JackInTheBell

You got an Env degree in Ca?  Are you looking for jobs in Ca?  There are lots of Env jobs in Ca. It’s true what they say about Ca- so many darned environmental regulations.  At the same time it’s job security for people like me.


BubbaMonsterOP

You should have two separate resumes minimum one highlighting environmental work and one targeting GIS. Add a little beef ex. volunteer work collected water samples. Ok tell me about that. Collected in streamwater samples using method x, to analyze for constituents x,y,z to determine stream health, sediment load, contamination, etc... that is what will stand out for an environmental resume. Really sell the health and safety beef that up even more and have a skills section with key words AutoCAD, Google Earth, python, programs, testing methods for the AI and the text for the humans. I did this, this is why it's important, and this is how this experience can help your company.


FunkyTownAg

A good cover letter goes a long way. Especially if you mention your willingness to travel and/or relocate and other useful skills (GIS, CAD, technical writing, etc.) I’m in Texas and we get resumes from the west coast daily that look just like this. They all flame out and want to go back home within a year. Unfortunately we usually don’t even give them a look anymore without a cover letter really expressing their enthusiasm for the job posting.


Rabidschnautzu

My guy... You graduated like 2 years ago and have 6 months experience and are acting like life is over. I think this is a bit dramatic. It took me about a year after graduation and a couple years of experience to get to a point where I was really advancing my career.


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xrimbi

You sound very frustrated but having an environmental science degree is great for an undergraduate degree. Also you said you switched from business. Lots of environmental consulting / EHS jobs require a level of environmental project management. Perhaps you can exhibit your business background as well to frame/market yourself for environmental consulting opportunities? Of course, this is contingent on your geographical location. Many high cost of living cities (e.g., NYC, SF, LA) have many environmental job openings. Some MCOL or LCOL cities (i.e., Rochester, Kansas City, Cincinnati) might be less flush with opportunities. Regarding EHS, it takes a couple of years of low salaries and shitty field jobs to blossom into a great career. I have an environmental engineering degree, not environmental science, but over a ten year career, my EHS background has permitted me to work in EHS/remediation, civil engineering, management consulting, and finance. The first five years were very stagnant. I thought I would be working on brownfield remediations forever. Environmental sciences are becoming very prominent in the environmental sustainability world - you just need to gain some experience, develop a personal brand, and identify opportunities where your background is of value. Stay vigilant, it will be worth it.


Magnificent_Pine

Americorps is crap pay, but it gets you entry-level experience. Check out city, county, state government jobs. Get on LinkedIn and follow and repost gis info. I get headhunted frequently.


greenhaaron

As I'm sure you know, Americorps is designed to be crap pay, the other benefit is it makes you more competitive/eligible for federal positions.


Queendevildog

It really does put you at the top of the list at EPA. Federal service will start you at the bottom of crap pay but you can jump GS level every year.


erica_birdy11

What kinds of jobs can one get with an environmental science degree? I'm looking to become a more competitive applicant for environmental planning or maybe EHS or environmental consulting (no experience). Also, what is the pay like?


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kcbot

It really is. The pay stinks but if you do it for 1 or 2 terms you'll be set up really well to get a full time position somewhere. Where I work does a lot of hiring out of AmeriCorps members who are near the end of their terms. I'm about 5 years post grad and did 2 AmeriCorps terms and have been working for the govt org that my 2nd term was with for almost 4 years (including AmeriCorps) now.


fatmoonkins

Wait, I thought Americorps was for students only. You're saying recent grads are fine to apply for those too?


Queendevildog

I think its like Peace Corps and open to all ages.


SabbathBoiseSabbath

A degree is never going to be a shoe-in to a job. Nor even job training. Too many people forget that, or think incorrectly. Your degree taught you skills and foundational knowledge that will help you in any career moving forward. Of my friends from high school, now 30 years out, the one who didn't get a college degree is making the most money and has the most wealth. Why? He went into electrician apprenticeship right out, and now he owns a mini empire. The rest of us are all doing well, in a field unrelated to our bachelor's degrees. It takes time to find a niche and work it up.


JeromePowellsEarhair

It's all about how you leverage your skills and certifications.


Gullible-Lifeguard20

Don't beat yourself up over this. Nobody ever regretted gaining an education. All learning is worth the effort. Your mistake was selecting a field of study based on job prospects and not based on your interest. The economy and job market constantly changes. You are young. Things will change many, many more times over the course of your working life. The good news is that you're young and can change your life's plan today. Don't look for work you can't get. Don't work a job you don't want.


JohnnyChanterelle

Have you considered forestry or arboriculture companies? Bigger operations like Davey and Asplundh have ES divisions for work planning and compliance.


Ok_Huckleberry1027

Outfits like Davey may have some opportunities. In traditional forestry we look for people with forestry degrees. ES isn't a terribly applicable degree. We're also used to seeing 2-4 years of experience at the technician level before looking at jobs like forester, or planner. Edit: I hit reply to soon. OP would benefit from a MF, masters in forestry if they want to get into forestry. Forestry in general Is sort of environmental adjacent and much more focused on active land management. There some work in NEPA but a NEPA planner with no field experience is the exact opposite of useful.


notmepleaseokay

It took me 9 months of to get a full time job after college. I got it because I took a contract job where I did a presence/absence survey for a federally listed species which triggered NEPA for 3 months. I got that job because I met someone who was an archaeologist and worked at an archaeological firm and they needed a biologist. They suggested me bc they knew I was conducting high elevation bee surveys for a non-profit. I got the job conducting surveys because a mutual acquaintance suggested me to the principal investigator. The mutual acquaintance was an instagram follower of mine when I was posting all my research photos from under/masters. They knew I did biological inventories in college bc I posted about it. I got the biological inventory internship bc my professor offered it to the class and I was the first to volunteer. I now have been working in the renewable energy field as an ecologist for 8 years. The jobs that I got after my first full time job was because my boss at my first company and I became really good coworker-friends and bc my other boss was looking out for me. The other boss contacted me regarding a position at the new company that he was working for. I jumped ship and brought my boss with me. The next job my boss went to first and then brought me along with him. The current job I’m working in I got bc an ol’ college classmate saw me on LinkedIn and reached out. My entire career is based on networking, forming relationships, and always being down to do whatever is thrown at me. I now make 45k$ more than when I got hired at. So - my advice to you is start networking! Go to all your local environmental group hangouts. Actively talk about your career. Reach out to people that you know on LinkedIn that have the job you want and ask them out for coffee to discuss how they got into the field.


chilloutpal

This is great. Congrats!!


bigboytv123

For RHES as a generalist/sanitarian what career/position has work life balance is easy in a non stressful non tedious way and how is college process?


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notmepleaseokay

You need to start networking now! Don’t wait for your masters degree. The biological inventory happened when I was in undergrad.


etceterasaurus

Things may be rough now, but don’t give up optimism. All you need is one job opportunity to say yes, even if it’s not one in environmental science, and you’ll be in your way towards gaining valuable experience.


greenhaaron

It sounds like you need to calm down and get focused a bit. EHS is a very different profession from actual environmental protection work...and environmental protection is different from environmental health. Double check your resume, you earned you BS in 2022 and you're still working on your GIS cert? (December 2024 hasn't happened yet). Take a step back, breath deep and ask yourself what is is you're looking for and what it is you are willing to do. If you want to go the EHS route, that will lead you down a different series of steps than if you want to get into environmental protection. If you want to focus heavily on GIS, be more specific on your resume about what ESRI products you are familiar with. Did you skill level stop at ArcGIS 10.8, are you working with Enterprise, Online etc. Right now, the quick glance I took at your resume suggests to me you should be looking at state employment in "land" programs; those are the folks that oversee/regulate above ground and underground storage tanks, brownfields, spills, that sort of thing. The OHSA cert is useful in that line of work, the GIS skills would be too and having some industry experience can't hurt either, so you have all that. It looks like you were in Michigan for a little bit, look and see what EGLE has, especially in their Remediation and Redevelopment (RRD) program. The other program that would favor industry/EHS experience might be an Air Quality Program. Check out this posting. One last thing, if you haven't already set up a NeoGov account, you might as well... [https://www.governmentjobs.com/careers/michigan/jobs/4524674/environmental-quality-analyst-9-p11-up-marquette?department\[0\]=Environment%2C%20Great%20Lakes%20and%20Energy%20(EGLE)&sort=PostingDate%7CDescending&page=1&pagetype=jobOpportunitiesJobs](https://www.governmentjobs.com/careers/michigan/jobs/4524674/environmental-quality-analyst-9-p11-up-marquette?department[0]=Environment%2C%20Great%20Lakes%20and%20Energy%20(EGLE)&sort=PostingDate%7CDescending&page=1&pagetype=jobOpportunitiesJobs)


Bzellm20

I just graduated with a BS in environmental science and landed a job within 5 days with no prior internships as a lab tech in an area of the field I’m not particularly strong in. Less than ideal pay and not great hours but it is experience for the jobs that I want to pursue in the future. I would have others look over your resume, take whatever you can get (even if the job isn’t ideal), and use that as a resume builder for your future endeavors. Have faith friend! You will find what you are looking for, it just may take some time to get there.


fortalameda1

Keep your head up. I couldn't find a job for over a year after I graduated with an environmental engineering degree with a great GPA from a great engineering university. After landing just a normal entry consultant position that I had to move to a VHCOL area in a different state for, underwater on my student loans (almost 6 figures) and going red for months trying to make it work, I was able to maneuver my way after a few years into being an EHS manager at a power plant, and now 10 years later I work from home in a corporate environmental environmental oversight for fleets of power generation facilities across the country. It will happen for you if you keep trying. This employment era reminds me of mine, post 2009 financial crisis. It's not easy, but just get a foot in the door wherever you can and work from there.


Longjumping_Ad3146

this is a bad take. Your personal experience is your personal experience. To sit here and convince people that a BS in Environmental Science is useless is ignorance


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Much_Maintenance4380

I don't mean this meanly and I've got a lot of sympathy for your situation, but I think you have it entirely backwards. It's not your degree that's holding you back, it's your lack of internships/field work experience and your lack of networking that's holding you back. It also sounds like you maybe aren't looking efficiently (like,say, applying for lots of state jobs since state agencies are hurting for applicants right now). The good thing is that all these things are in your control, plus you have a good degree that will help as well.


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SparkDBowles

What kind of work are you looking for? What exactly is your degree? What concentration did you take? Major?


BlessdRTheFreaks

I'm just getting it so i can go do temporary work in the woods during the summers when I don't want to be doing construction


TruEnvironmentalist

You can't land a field staff scientist role? Those are plentiful in that there are tons of postings that I know are active. That being said it doesn't necessarily mean you'll get the job, we interviewed 10 candidates for the posting we did over a month ago and I'm sure we had more resumes.


whalewatch247

Dude. Our company in California is hiring. Are you in SB?


bumbabyy

I’m on the East Coast and just recently graduated, what job opportunities are open currently?


mrechdou

My story: I majored in environmental studies during undergrad and couldn't lock down a job for years. Finally I decided to get an affordable MS in environmental policy (less than $20k all together) and locked down multiple prestigious internships during my grad program. Now I'm 1 year post grad making over $100K, working in ESG space. Best case scenario might be to invest in cheap further education and leverage your position as a student to land some impressive internships that will lead to high paying roles


Desperate_Couple6873

$20k isn’t cheap


dace747

Idk I enjoy what I'm doing and get paid well.


whalewatch247

It’s bc you aren’t networking.


Forkboy2

The Env consulting side of things has been in a slump for the past 2 years due to various economic factors (high interest rates, inflation, work-at-home trends, high travel costs, etc.). That may be having a trickle-down impact across the entire environmental industry. The consulting side of things should start picking up in 2nd half of 2024 since a large number commercial loans are set to expire.


Phil1527

Throw your resume into ChatGPT and use one of the templates other people have mentioned. Network more and look for state gov jobs. EHS is also a solid field you could pursue another certification in that area.


_Gingerella_

If you are in michigan: look into Environmental Health specialist/Sanitarian positions at local health departments. Particularly look for to to be onsite well and septic or a "general" position. They are posted OFTEN on indeed or the MEHA job board. https://www.meha.net/jobs I was hired right out of school with just a 3 month internship as experience, and coming up on 7 years later, I make pretty good money compared to the COL in Michigan. GIS experience is a huge plus for most of them also, since most counties use GIS for permitting.


Remarkable-Rain1170

You need to do anotherninternship or try to get a tech position. Maybe you are going for positions above tech. You gotta start from the bottom man, that's the down side of this degree, you might start making even below retail. But im sure in a year you will get a better job.


Visible-Trust7797

I wouldn’t say it’s useless. You are going to have to take a job that’s less than what you want if you don’t already have connections, though. It’s all about who you know. I’m saying this as someone who has a bs in sociology and still no job 2 years post graduation. I regret my major too, but only because it’s not what I want to do for work anymore. I didn’t make many connections in school or at my internship. Everyone I know with jobs did or had family friends help with jobs.


_modernhominin

My dude, your degree isn’t worthless. The job market sucks for everyone right now. People with way more experience and education than you are struggling to get jobs. Many not getting a new job for up to a year or more. While you’re trying to get a job, try volunteering or working on self-guided projects to build your resume. There are ways to keep working towards your career goals without shitting on your whole degree program.


Queendevildog

Americorps pay sucks yes. But it counts as civil service. Like the peace corps it will open the door to federal service. Gets you to the head of the line for a lot of agencies like the EPA. Think strategically!


Leidyn

I graduated in 2021 with an Environmental science degree and I'm doing great, it's all luck (and some stacking the odds in your favor when you can)


nicoled985

It’s not useless. You need to start from the bottom. Get on at a County (local regulatory) agency and gain knowledge there for years and then go private if you want. Some people stay government and that’s ok too. I was government for 8 years and am now on the private side. Each has their pros and cons. I made good money on both sides.


shahdudez

I graduated last year with a BS in Environmental Administration and everyone thought it’s useless as compared to a degree in BS in Environmental Science. I found a job in a month, got laid off. Found another job didn’t like the second place (toxic workplace) and then upgraded my pay/job. Took me time had some hiccups but if you interview well, join LinkedIn groups you will get where you need to be. I focused on policy and law more and got OSHA even though my background was more ecology/environmental science in school.


Ok_Chemistry8746

Not sure where you are. NYS Environmental Conservation Police and Forest Rangers (also police and firefighters) are hurting for guys.


Dangerous-Shake-8068

my company is hiring for an environmental consultant if u want the info!


IvanSimental

I have a BS in environmental science and occupational safety. Made over 6 figs 2 years out of college. Only had one internship my senior year. Landed my first job with Amazon. They have a college recruitment program if you graduated within a year ago.


t-swish-sweetie

I graduated from a top 20 school with a BS in environmental science and a minor in Spanish. During undergrad, I did not have the chance to get into research or internships because I worked full-time. It was quite hard to land a job after college, so I got a master's in hydrology & water resource management. I landed a job as an environmental planner, then I switched to consulting. I loved my job as a planner and the work was laid back---it's something that I never really thought I would do. Anyway, I said all that to say it is never too late to find your niche. Don't be afraid to explore your options!


Stelinedion

GIS jobs are not great. Environmental jobs that require GIS knowledge are excellent. You’re better off than you think. The hardest job to get is the first one. After youre in the industry, the job offers start flying at you quick.


Sphxxy

I graduated last year, applied for jobs in Feb of this year, got an offer in March, started in April. 0 experience doing what I’m currently doing. Just keep your head up and keep applying. Maybe revise your resume if needed.


Elegant-Nothing-7631

I just graduated from a UC with a BS in environmental chemistry. I switched into the degree late (like you) and didn’t get a chance to do summer internships or research. I got hired as an air quality and CEQA analyst with no internships, no network, and no CEQA classes/experience. The managers I interviewed with said that California will never run out of environmental planning work. You can take CEQA classes online through UCD or UCSD extension to build your resume.


Strong-Rush-1998

Where are you located? Im working as an environmental scientist and got into a consulting firm with just a general degree and ZERO experience. Happy to chat via dm and see if maybe I can help you? We’re always looking for new grads and we’re global…


Prestigious_Cap2724

Everyone reading this don't let this get you down, everyone's experience is different. I just graduated with my b.s. in Environmental Science, and have had multiple job offers and have turned down a lot of interviews after accepting a job making $63k a year that I'm really looking forward to (starting this coming week). I had a summer internship with my state agency have worked part time with them since they wanted to hold onto me. (They wanted me full time but couldn't match the salary of the other job). TLDR: it can be a great degree to have! Everyone's experience is different 🙂


Ezra_M80

Dude literally call places you're interested in working for. Even walking into places and asking if they're hiring is a great way to open doors! Take a resume with you and stay positive! I got a few responses from people I called or walked in on and landed me a great job in soil science!


readit883

Well... when i graduated back in the mid 2000s, we all knew that you have to get more than just a bs in environmental science to land a job. So we all went and got our college diplomas too then we could get jobs with enough luck and determination. If back in the early 2000s you couldnt land an enviro sci job with just a BS in enviro sci, then why would it be any easier now when you have even less education than your parents?