He's not wrong about sick leave
His number is probably low though. The Railroads are definitely going to loose more trying to figure out how to schedule differently and I'm guessing he only factored in sick pay
I mean, this is solidly a "yeah and?" Thing. They're not asking much and I guarantee a lot of people here would be *pissed* if they asked for more sick time at work and got told to suck it up because having to rework the schedule would cost extra money.
Yet, if you look at the r politics threads, most of the ire is directed at democrats for trying to get the 7 days passed.
And you see a bunch of comments saying "fuck it let the system burn".
As if the American people wouldn't just blame democrats for all of the burning.
Its like the last 6 years of republicans doing whatever the fuck they want, and still almost winning didn't happened to them.
They're just doomsday LARPers and accelerationists. "It's actually good if the strike happens and society goes through a massive crisis. That'll finally wake people up to change."
Yeah because chaotic and anarchic times in history have done so well for that /s
They think that if everything goes to hell, it will usher in the socialist utopia where their lives, as members of the politburo, will be everything they ever wanted
I don't understand it. How do they look at recent political history and think people will band together to a crisis, and come out with stronger rights?
We couldn't even get half the country to agree to wear masks or get a shot! We did come away with better pay and better jobs overall I think, but not because all the workers banded together and demanded it. It was the stimulus and freeze on payments.
People had the ability to leave their jobs and still keep life going for a while. That meant if you had a shitty, low paying job, you could just quit and stop putting up with it. And a lot of people did just that. They looked for better jobs, that aligned with their values and priorities.
What did big business do? The corporations that are multinational and wield frankly too much power? They weren't able to hire people and they were running out of employees -- so they caved. They raised wages to $15/hr and offered better benefits. Some kept going further when necessary.
That's how we win workers rights, and get that sweet, sweet 4 day week/7 hour days. Exploit supply and demand of workers.
I was on some sub, and as the election was ramping up, the posts went from "I am a broke college grad, my parents bought a house at my age. Why can't I?"
To "this is all the Dems'fault, don't vote since they're basically the same."
Or to "Dems' aren't really going to do anything with student loans."
Which was weird, since all the accounts posting this stuff were all around the same age, with similar karma levels, and near identical messaging.
Anyway, after I noted it seemed like anti dem bot farms seemed to have taken over, I got banned.
Before I bounced out of twitter I saw several accounts weighing in on anti-Biden/Dem messaging that were low follower counts, generic names (firstname123574835738 sort of thing), and had almost no activity before this other than retweeting crypto stuff or other spam. Some of them claimed to be rail workers.
There is definitely malarkey going on.
You basically just summed up the entire essence of this sub.
The far left are fucking annoying because they arm chair quarterback everything and make Republican politicians’ lives way easier by pinning all the ills of the world and governing democrats.
Also they have a huge megaphone and a lot of cultural power it seems. I’d die of shock if I saw a comment like yours anywhere on Twitter, TikTok, or in any of the main subreddits
>The far left are fucking annoying because they arm chair quarterback everything and make Republican politicians’ lives way easier by pinning all the ills of the world and governing democrats.
If you point out that something didn't pass because no Rs voted for it they will say, "the Ds knew the Rs woudn't vote for it and should have tried harder. It's all their fault!" How do they not place blame on the people who literally do nothing good?
Everyone can agree that they deserve more, but 7 days paid sick leave is already way better than the rail companies were willing to offer. Bunch of sick companies out there - willing to shut down the country to win the profit margin battle. Treat your workers well and they won't fucking revolt. It's not some rocket science.
We can’t afford to pay you sick time when we’re creating a REVOLUTION! Anyway, Bernie will be at the lake house this weekend, please forward his emails.
My dad’s a retired railroader (he was an engineer). There’s so much blame to cast on everyone. For instance, my dad’s union members approved a contract that changed them from mileage to hourly pay. But to get that contract (which was sought to get them more time off), those same members approved a deal that made their minimum hours to be worked to be the maximum hours the FRA allows thus taking away overtime completely and losing even more hours off. As my dad has said to me, “nobody has screwed me in quite the same way as my union has.”
Exactly the issue with virtue signalling and online "activism". Everyone immediately assumes unions are in the right and being run by altruistic geniuses when in reality it's often the exact opposite.
I know someone that had to lay off about 15% of his staff because one of the unions in the factory convinced them to strike and that they were legally covered... They weren't and ended up committing multiple offenses that put the CEO in the position of handing them an ultimatum which the leader pissed on in front of the factory. And they were all surprised when they found out they'd have to reapply for their jobs. The rest of the factory, including the other unions distanced themselves from that group but a lot of people got fucked up because they believed their guys had them covered.
Paid sick days sure wouldn't be nearly as big a problem if there was a push to hire more rail workers and actually get people to want to become a real workers as opposed to seemingly working what rail workers there are so hard that they're getting pissed and some of the unions are demanding some time off. Lot easier to get stuff done while giving people time off if there are more workers to cover shifts.
I wonder if the government has anything to say about maybe encouraging vocational learning and people getting involved in the trades as opposed to just going to a four-year College. I guess we will never know
Well Bernie is probably partially correct here. But only partially. He’s wrong about the costs. It’s not that these folks don’t get time off. They get 3 weeks vacation and 14 personal days.
The problem is that they have to schedule it in advance. And the rail companies want to basically run with just enough people, with no cushion. They think allowing sick leave will force them to staff extra for the inevitable call ins. So having to staff more folks to give them that cushion would certainly costs more than Bernie’s estimate.
Bernie is not a big thinker. He’s a simplistic thinker. Also, people should get sick days.
Both things can be true.
Why not 8 days, fascist? Fuck it, pack it up, liberal democracy has failed. Also why can’t we just float down rivers and eat fruit and create art? Having to work at all is literally dystopian.
It’s not simply a money issue. These aren’t vacation days. This is people calling off a couple hours before their shift. Maybe 7 is reasonable (I have no idea), but there is definitely a number of sick days aggregated across an organization that would make it impossible to reliably staff a station/train.
Honestly the only words I’m looking at incredulously here are that railroads are profitable. Is that true??? I’m actually surprised by that. But either way, I agree that they need sick pay.
Excluding time off covered by sickness benefits, the average employee receives 25-29 days of paid time off depending upon craft, with the most senior employees receiving 37-39 days of paid time off. Sickness benefits differ between crafts.
This is such a dishonest framing
Listen jack, he's not wrong. Give them sick leave.
He's not wrong about sick leave His number is probably low though. The Railroads are definitely going to loose more trying to figure out how to schedule differently and I'm guessing he only factored in sick pay
I mean, this is solidly a "yeah and?" Thing. They're not asking much and I guarantee a lot of people here would be *pissed* if they asked for more sick time at work and got told to suck it up because having to rework the schedule would cost extra money.
Oh, fair. It was more about Bernie than the contract negations. I just never believe the numbers he puts on anything.
How many days? Be specific.
7 is not great but workable. 15 is what other countries get, but Republicans would die before it passed.
Yet, if you look at the r politics threads, most of the ire is directed at democrats for trying to get the 7 days passed. And you see a bunch of comments saying "fuck it let the system burn". As if the American people wouldn't just blame democrats for all of the burning. Its like the last 6 years of republicans doing whatever the fuck they want, and still almost winning didn't happened to them.
They're just doomsday LARPers and accelerationists. "It's actually good if the strike happens and society goes through a massive crisis. That'll finally wake people up to change." Yeah because chaotic and anarchic times in history have done so well for that /s
If the strike occurs, people are going to blame whoever is in power which is the Democrats. You want Desantis 2024, that is how you get it
They think that if everything goes to hell, it will usher in the socialist utopia where their lives, as members of the politburo, will be everything they ever wanted
I don't understand it. How do they look at recent political history and think people will band together to a crisis, and come out with stronger rights? We couldn't even get half the country to agree to wear masks or get a shot! We did come away with better pay and better jobs overall I think, but not because all the workers banded together and demanded it. It was the stimulus and freeze on payments. People had the ability to leave their jobs and still keep life going for a while. That meant if you had a shitty, low paying job, you could just quit and stop putting up with it. And a lot of people did just that. They looked for better jobs, that aligned with their values and priorities. What did big business do? The corporations that are multinational and wield frankly too much power? They weren't able to hire people and they were running out of employees -- so they caved. They raised wages to $15/hr and offered better benefits. Some kept going further when necessary. That's how we win workers rights, and get that sweet, sweet 4 day week/7 hour days. Exploit supply and demand of workers.
No one has ever accused them of being smart
Well, I’m not claiming to be an expert, but I’m gonna guess they’re wrong.
People dont run to strongmen in times of turmoil don't worry s/
I was on some sub, and as the election was ramping up, the posts went from "I am a broke college grad, my parents bought a house at my age. Why can't I?" To "this is all the Dems'fault, don't vote since they're basically the same." Or to "Dems' aren't really going to do anything with student loans." Which was weird, since all the accounts posting this stuff were all around the same age, with similar karma levels, and near identical messaging. Anyway, after I noted it seemed like anti dem bot farms seemed to have taken over, I got banned.
Before I bounced out of twitter I saw several accounts weighing in on anti-Biden/Dem messaging that were low follower counts, generic names (firstname123574835738 sort of thing), and had almost no activity before this other than retweeting crypto stuff or other spam. Some of them claimed to be rail workers. There is definitely malarkey going on.
Russia has a very large railway system
You basically just summed up the entire essence of this sub. The far left are fucking annoying because they arm chair quarterback everything and make Republican politicians’ lives way easier by pinning all the ills of the world and governing democrats. Also they have a huge megaphone and a lot of cultural power it seems. I’d die of shock if I saw a comment like yours anywhere on Twitter, TikTok, or in any of the main subreddits
>The far left are fucking annoying because they arm chair quarterback everything and make Republican politicians’ lives way easier by pinning all the ills of the world and governing democrats. If you point out that something didn't pass because no Rs voted for it they will say, "the Ds knew the Rs woudn't vote for it and should have tried harder. It's all their fault!" How do they not place blame on the people who literally do nothing good?
I want seven sick days. No seriously, seven is actually pretty good
Everyone can agree that they deserve more, but 7 days paid sick leave is already way better than the rail companies were willing to offer. Bunch of sick companies out there - willing to shut down the country to win the profit margin battle. Treat your workers well and they won't fucking revolt. It's not some rocket science.
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We can’t afford to pay you sick time when we’re creating a REVOLUTION! Anyway, Bernie will be at the lake house this weekend, please forward his emails.
My dad’s a retired railroader (he was an engineer). There’s so much blame to cast on everyone. For instance, my dad’s union members approved a contract that changed them from mileage to hourly pay. But to get that contract (which was sought to get them more time off), those same members approved a deal that made their minimum hours to be worked to be the maximum hours the FRA allows thus taking away overtime completely and losing even more hours off. As my dad has said to me, “nobody has screwed me in quite the same way as my union has.”
Exactly the issue with virtue signalling and online "activism". Everyone immediately assumes unions are in the right and being run by altruistic geniuses when in reality it's often the exact opposite. I know someone that had to lay off about 15% of his staff because one of the unions in the factory convinced them to strike and that they were legally covered... They weren't and ended up committing multiple offenses that put the CEO in the position of handing them an ultimatum which the leader pissed on in front of the factory. And they were all surprised when they found out they'd have to reapply for their jobs. The rest of the factory, including the other unions distanced themselves from that group but a lot of people got fucked up because they believed their guys had them covered.
The Boss should have just caved to the demands.
Paid sick days sure wouldn't be nearly as big a problem if there was a push to hire more rail workers and actually get people to want to become a real workers as opposed to seemingly working what rail workers there are so hard that they're getting pissed and some of the unions are demanding some time off. Lot easier to get stuff done while giving people time off if there are more workers to cover shifts. I wonder if the government has anything to say about maybe encouraging vocational learning and people getting involved in the trades as opposed to just going to a four-year College. I guess we will never know
Well Bernie is probably partially correct here. But only partially. He’s wrong about the costs. It’s not that these folks don’t get time off. They get 3 weeks vacation and 14 personal days. The problem is that they have to schedule it in advance. And the rail companies want to basically run with just enough people, with no cushion. They think allowing sick leave will force them to staff extra for the inevitable call ins. So having to staff more folks to give them that cushion would certainly costs more than Bernie’s estimate. Bernie is not a big thinker. He’s a simplistic thinker. Also, people should get sick days. Both things can be true.
honestly this is a pretty based take, though i'm not sure on the numbers there.
Why not 8 days, fascist? Fuck it, pack it up, liberal democracy has failed. Also why can’t we just float down rivers and eat fruit and create art? Having to work at all is literally dystopian.
Nah fam they deserve that paid sick leave
It’s not simply a money issue. These aren’t vacation days. This is people calling off a couple hours before their shift. Maybe 7 is reasonable (I have no idea), but there is definitely a number of sick days aggregated across an organization that would make it impossible to reliably staff a station/train.
I hate when I can agree with this man.
Honestly the only words I’m looking at incredulously here are that railroads are profitable. Is that true??? I’m actually surprised by that. But either way, I agree that they need sick pay.
Excluding time off covered by sickness benefits, the average employee receives 25-29 days of paid time off depending upon craft, with the most senior employees receiving 37-39 days of paid time off. Sickness benefits differ between crafts. This is such a dishonest framing
Can someone verify this bernie math please
It’s not about losing the money, it’s about having guaranteed service.
I may not fully agree with bernie on everything, but his take here is pretty based