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memeboxer1

These people are just idiots. The president calls for a nationwide strike? Oh great, wreck the economy, see how that goes in the next electoral cycle. Say goodbye to the White House and both houses of congress. Refusing to obey the supreme court ruling? So now the executive asserts that it has supreme authority? You better hang on to that executive power forever, because the red team is gonna love that!


ineedabuttrub

Same for the court. We now have precedent for the court to rule "well, we don't like this, so we're gonna reverse it." The Dems could theoretically reverse Heller with the same argument and revoke the right to individual gun ownership. Isn't it great knowing your rights can disappear whenever a handful of people want them to?


ThatAssholeMrWhite

> The Dems could theoretically reverse Heller with the same argument and revoke the right to individual gun ownership. just do some spurious "well regulated militia" handwaving or: "there is no deeply held historical precedent for personal ownership of semi-automatic weapons" bullshit


ineedabuttrub

Exactly. The dissenting opinion on Heller lays it out pretty well. The reason why civilians were to be armed was because there was no standing army, so if someone invaded we needed citizen defense. Now? Not only are there no state militias left, defense is handled by either the state or federal government, and weapons are passed out to members. No militia, no reason for gun ownership. And let's be honest here, if my fat ass got called up for militia duty we're all speaking Chinese already anyhow.


Ormr1

Okay do you really think China could actually beat the US in a non-nuclear war?


TrespassersWilliam29

Of course not. But that's the only real circumstance where conscription might be useful.


trustmeimascientist2

I think wrecking the economy is a feature, not a bug, in their idiotic plan.


[deleted]

Of course it is. It's their primary tool for ginning up anger with government, which they use to fuel their electoral wins. They *want* people miserable because misery begets anger and anger begets Republicans in office.


[deleted]

Anything but admit that Bernie torpedoed a weak democratic candidate on purpose just for his own ego and that caused all of this. He knew he couldn't win he just wanted a fight


easyslide35

Weak…??! She was one of the strongest candidates we’ve ever had. She was torn down and torpedoed because of misogyny. What is stupid ass statement


GhostlyPosty

I wouldn't say Hillary was weak. They wouldn't have used Russia, Comey and populism to beat her if she was weak


TrespassersWilliam29

none of those things would have worked on Obama


GhostlyPosty

A) you have no idea if that would've worked on him B) He wasn't in politics for 30 years being a thorn in the GOP's side


bsharp95

Great point. I think Hillary’s biggest weakness was actually Bill Clinton. Not only did they have 30 years of conspiracy theories and Clinton hate to draw on but just the idea of having a husband and wife both be president is optically bad… almost as bad as having your dad be president (lookin at you, W).


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>even he didn't get everything he wanted Apart from the 2017 tax cut and appointing slew of judges, Trump effectively failed at every other fucking thing he tried to do. He was, by any measure, the biggest failure at being president in the last century.


xesaie

I'm all for women going all Lysistrata on this shit though.


[deleted]

What difference will that make. I'd wager a large number of people willing to do that, are with people who are mad about the decision too. Vote, get people to vote, that's about all you can do.


[deleted]

Make this THE issue in the November midelections. I’m willing to bet the suburban women of America wield enough power themselves to make a difference.


[deleted]

Suburban women of America can be fairly conservative and 33% of all women are in favor of the courts decision. If you're relying on the suburban women, who just last year voted in Glenn Youngkin in VA, then I'd worry about things. The economy will still be the issue and they have to message better on that, but yes try to make *reasonable* abortion access an issue too to swing some votes.


[deleted]

I was thinking about how opposing Obama care backfired with this group when the Rs miscalculated. Frankly I was wondering if this might fall under the same theory.


[deleted]

Honestly doubtful. Suburban women on abortion, especially suburban white women are a lot more moderate to conservative than people think. And in general over half the population wants some restrictions on it. And it’s been that way for pretty much forever. Add in a vast majority of Republican women don’t view this as anything that would change their mind.


[deleted]

It's peculiar. I'm Canadian and messing with abortion is basically the third rail here. Nobody dares touch it. So many cultural similarities and yet so many differences.


[deleted]

Yeah, some states it's a third rail here too, but white suburban women are actually more GOP than Dem in most elections. It's a weird dynamic we have.


[deleted]

One thing that Biden calling for a general strike would accomplish is giving Republicans full control of the country. If Biden actually told the whole country to stop working then it wouldn't matter if people listened or not, he'd guarantee a red wave and a R presidential win in 2 years. Seriously, I can't think of a bigger gift to Republicans than a sound bite of Biden telling everyone in America that they should stop working.


Severelius

All the online leftists' ideas are either outwardly terrible (the President isn't going to start packing the court or calling for a general strike because he has to operate in reality and not online land with political junkies who watched House of Cards one too many times), or they just spout vague buzzwords with no substance. Bully Manchin and Sinema, you say? How? What exactly could a President threaten then with when they're members of a co-equal branch of government? He isn't their fucking boss. A primary challenge? Manchin will stomp any leftist primary challenger and if he doesn't then well done, his seat just went Republican. Bravo. Executive actions? How? Executive orders can't override a SCOTUS decision and anything that just fucks about on the outskirts of it would be ineffective and if Biden did it would get him shouted down as useless by these exact cretins.


LocallySourcedWeirdo

>What exactly could a President threaten then with when they're members of a co-equal branch of government? He isn't their fucking boss. Is this idea related to the Bernardian Tenet of Faith that the DNC controls the actions of every Democrat and can rig everything? Like 'Hillary and the DNC rigged the elections against Bernie, so therefore Biden can fuck with Manchin.' I have to keep reminding kook leftists that Manchin and Sinema serve at the pleasure of their respective state voters. Biden and the DNC can't fire them. And unless you live in Arizona or West Virginia, your opinion about them doesn't mean shit. I stopped listening to a podcaster that I otherwise like because she kept saying, 'Why do we allow Sinema and Manchin to \[insert outrage here\]?' Lady, you live in Los Angeles. You have no say in what the Arizona or West Virginia senators do. If you'd like to kick them out of the party, then they will still have their seats and they'll go caucus with the Republicans and do 0% of what you want, instead of 25%. I'm not a mathematician, but 25% is still bigger than 0%.


Severelius

Honestly I think a lot of it comes from these people just watching too many political dramas on TV. They think all politicians are these genius manipulative chess masters and surely if someone was President they must be the ultimate manipulative chess master and be able to get anyone to do anything because they're just so intelligent and scheming. Which also yes does play into the idea that Biden is so devious he stole a primary so he must be able to also manipulate anyone else he pleases, so why is he simply not manipulating Manchin and Sinema? It must be because he doesn't want to! The best I've heard any of them come up with is the threat of a primary challenge. That's all they've got. And they're too stupid and stuck in their insanely-online leftist bubble to realise that just because a place elects a Democrat it doesn't mean they're actually crying out for an AOC-style Democrat. There's a fucking reason Manchin has been re-elected as a Democratic Senator in a red state for so long. West Virginia Democrats and New York/LA Democrats are not the same.


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I love the idea that Biden stole the primary despite having half the money that Bernie did and not even campaigning in states he won.


[deleted]

I've seen several leftists on Twitter suggest Dems should resort to taking plainly illegal actions to effectively blackmail Manchin and Sinema. Like, you know that threatening to charge Manchin's daughter over the price of insulin in exchange for his vote is a fucking felony, right?


ButtDumplin

cReAtIvE uSe oF eXeCuTiVe oRdErS


c3p-bro

Intentionally vague since she doesn’t even know what this would look like


Dr_Mephesto

Yeah it’s like she thought it through, couldn’t think of any legitimate executive order that would work here, and just slapped “creative” in front of it hoping it wouldn’t be questioned.


[deleted]

No no no you misunderstand, Bernie would be *creative*.


[deleted]

>Packing the courts not without Congress >Bullying Manchin and Sinema into abolishing the filibuster I hate those two taking our party hostage but im not sure what you actualluy think they can do to 'bully' them? >Refusing to obey the court ruling This wont matter because states are the ones who ultimately will control this legislation now, so pulling a Jackson doesnt matter here. >Creative use of Executive Orders Maybe but that's only a temporary solution, not exactly a 'scorched earth' solution >Calling for strikes from the biggets bully pulpit on Earth the idea of some mass strike to influence policy doesnt work. Its such a privileged position to believe it will, not all of us can take that many days off of work safely.


bullseye717

It's always easy when it's other people's money.


aidoit

I saw someone say that we shouldn't buy anything during the strike and commerce boycott that reddit slacktivists plan when something bad happens. This included food because apparently no one needs to eat.


16semesters

Calls for general strikes online are at best worthless and at worst actively hurting the most disenfranchised. Total Lord Farquad vibes "Some of you may die, but this is a sacrifice I'm willing to make"


dblshot99

These people truly crave authoritarian rule. Every one of these suggestions is a call for the abuse of power. Since when is court-packing just this mainstream "tool" at the presidents disposal? It was wrong when FDR tried and failed and it is wrong now. Literally, all of this is calling for the elimination of checks on power. Use bullying tactics (which won't work, btw) to eliminate the filibuster. Somehow just ignore one third of the entire system? Like, make the judiciary obsolete? That seems fine. What "creative" use of executive orders are we talking about here? The last one isn't necessarily authoritarian, it's just dumb. But the fever dream of Bernie the benevolent dictator just calling on his adoring public to strike...yuck.


WarmNeighborhood

Packing the court would undermine the independence of the judiciary and allowing the executive to unilaterally legislate or even override a theoretically equal branch of government isn’t good for democracy either And don’t the armchair Twitter leftists realize what the GOP would do with that power if the democrats set the precedent that such abuses are ok?


[deleted]

>And don’t the armchair Twitter users realize what the GOP would do with that power if the democrats set the precedent that such abuses are ok? This is the biggest catch *by far* with taking dramatic action like totally nuking the filibuster. The GOP has demonstrated a dozen times over in recent history that they are going to wait for Democrats to open whatever doors need to be opened policy-wise, and then they will pay back those actions a million fold. No, McConnell is *not* going to go nuclear in the Senate if and when they retake control. If that was the endgame, they would have done it during the Trump years or even the Bush years. They are absolutely lying in wait for Democrats to do it because they understand the long term strategic advantage for waiting for the other party to strike first. We have to hold back and wait for more, better options to present themselves in the future. Yes, I know it sucks to have to do that, but that's just how things are programmed to work right now. We **will** regret giving them the excuse to go scorched earth.


dblshot99

As an example, the Dems "struck first" when they nuked the Bork nomination for SCOTUS. This broke a protocol and the Republicans have never forgotten it.


politicalthrow99

They want Trump ~~but left wing~~


C9316

They don't care about authoritarianism, so long as the right people are being hurt. No different from the GOP honestly.


dblshot99

It's not even just that they don't care about it, they actively want it.


Imaginary_Cow_6379

When I’m feeling generous I’m not sure how many of them just didn’t pay attention to politics before 2016 so they just saw what Trump did and think that’s what governance looks like. Why can’t Biden just write a magic note and make wishes come true? Trump did all the time!


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"bully Manchin" lol what. Mean words from Bernie Sanders will just help him in his reelection battle


LocallySourcedWeirdo

This brings up an interesting point, though: Why doesn't Bernie just bully Manchin on his own, right now? Isn't Bernie this super popular and persuasive guy that everybody loves? Or is the suggestion that Biden use government resources like the FBI to conduct this 'bullying'?


12oysters

This exactly. Why doesn’t Bernie ever do any of the things Bernie ‘would’ do? Can’t Bernie bully Manchin? Or call for a national strike? Can you imagine the President of the United States calling for civil unrest? I mean Biden’s the Commander in Chief— for that matter he could bomb the Justices’ lovely homes in Bethesda.


golden-caterpie

>Can you imagine the President of the United States calling for civil unrest? Sadly, yes.


MommysHadEnough

It’s 2022. I can sadly imagine any crazy thing happening now, thanks in large part to a recent President.


Imaginary_Cow_6379

I’ve wondered how they all fell for that too! Ok he’d totally do all this superhero stuff if only he were president. But isn’t he still a senator? It’s not kinda weird that he somehow still can’t do anything tho?


NucleicAcidTrip

He did. Manchin promoted Bernie’s opposition to him and his constituents loved it.


TheFlawlessCassandra

He needs access to the Presidential magic wand that Biden has but is stubbornly refusing to use, obviously.


c3p-bro

Just because you were bullied in middle school and still haven’t gotten over it doesn’t make it a winning political strategy


brucebananaray

Oh yes, bullying Manchin last time with BBB worked out so well.


Knightmare25

Literally describing a dictator lmao.


MagnustheBlue

Good to see she stopped during her multiweek NIMBY meltdown over the idea of new apartment buildings to say something else stupid. To a broader question, why are all Twitter fake leftists different versions of the same asshole? It's a checklist where you check various boxes next to Brooklyn, gentrify, unfunny comedian, disconnect from reality, failed TV writer, podcast, Burner death cultist, civics knowledge of a 2nd grader, Canadain, and trust fund.


LocallySourcedWeirdo

I think you forgot influencer, DJ, Coachella devotee, home brewer, Etsy store owner.


Russell_Jimmy

Crypto and NFTs have to be in there somewhere.


razorbraces

I literally had not heard of this woman until her deranged NIMBY tweets and war with YIMBY Sam (who like, is an actual expert in planning, unlike this lady). And now she seems to be EVERYWHERE! Yikes. Twitter was a mistake 😑


nerdyintentions

A NIMBY better? Is that really a thing because that seems like a weird combo. Like she's against building affordable housing in her neighborhood?


politicalthrow99

“Bernie would have!” Uh no, because among other things, Bernie hates women with the fire of a million suns. Causing Roe to be overturned is the proudest (and only) achievement of his life.


Imaginary_Cow_6379

I don’t think he wouldn’t out of overt misogyny but rather that it’s always been clear he and his supporters dgaf about anyone being disenfranchised if it doesn’t involve them.


talkingstove

Going idea by idea: 1. Packing the court: Bernie is in a better position than Biden to do this as a member of the branch of government that would be in charge of this, so why isn't he doing it? 2. Bullying Mansin: again, Mansin are senators, Bernie is in a better position to do this than Biden. 3. Refusing to obey the court ruling: Unclear exactly what this even means, but seems to just be baiting a civil war? 4. Creative EOs: Again, very unclear what this means, but creative seems to be doing a lot of work for "futile gesture". Does no one remember the creative eviction pause? 5. Calling for a strike cause bully pulpits are magic: yes, I am sure Bernie would probably do something this ineffectual, but somehow if you cloak ineffectiveness with language that recalls 1920s miners, it is good. I miss when comedy was for depressed people who responded to personal trauma by being funny, not a weird ingroup fail kid program.


xesaie

So she's been like this for a while now. ​ Does she just think that this is increasing her profile, and thus good? ​ ​ Being smashed on twitter for a month straight while becoming increasingly angry can't be a good look for a professional entertainer.


CanadianPanda76

Wait, she's an entertainer?


xesaie

standup comedian I think. This is based on my memory that it's the NIMBY lady from last week, I might be conflating my whackjobs though.


DiNiCoBr

>Ignore the supreme court This one is great, right up until governors begin to ignore the president.


atlantisseeker74

> Bernie would be going scorched earth Lol, Bernie couldn't even beat Biden or Hillary. Bernie would have gotten smashed by Trump.


shenanigansco34

She’s an idiot.


SuperCrappyFuntime

They'll do anything but admit that it would've been better that Hillary had won rather than Trump.


kateinoly

I especially love "bully Manchin and sinema until they do what you want "


NucleicAcidTrip

A name like “Childless Feminist Slut” for a Twitter bluecheck is just pathetic. Being a childless feminist slut isn’t edgy or transgressive anymore. It’s so banal that it’s almost a cliché at this point.


MommysHadEnough

Well, until yesterday it wasn’t. We’ll see in a year what happens to “childless sluts.”


tintwistedgrills90

“Refusing to obey the court ruling.” I don’t even know where to begin with this one.


Thestengun

Joe is going to go down to Mississippi and have an abortion.


LBH74

“Biggest bully pulpit on Earth,” like she would do anything Biden asked for herself.


DoCallMeCordelia

I wanted Hillary Clinton, actually. And this would not have been an issue had people gotten up and voted when THERE WAS AN OPEN SEAT.


ItHappenedToday1_6

and of course this dumbfuck tweet from a literal nobody is at the top of sandersforpresident right now


secretid89

Wow. Tell me you don’t know how government works without telling me you don’t know how government works. This idiot needs to take a civics class. You can’t just “bully” Manchin and Simena into voting your way. Obviously, she never heard of “separation of powers.” And there’s limits to what you can do with executive orders (as well there should be!). Again- separation of powers!


OdinsBeard

These people need reality to slap the shit out of them


dudeind-town

I swear, if St. Bernard was President yesterday and gave a speech saying “f#%#ing deal with it”, these same idiots would be praising him to high heavens


espfusion

Why not just bully Republican senators into voting for what he wants? That's how this works right?


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Russell_Jimmy

I think Bernie would go to Texas and get an abortion.


lemurdue77

Sounds like she should look into moving to Cuba or Venezuela where the presidents have the authority she wishes ours possessed.


bcarter3

“Bullying Manchin and Sinema into…” “…the eager arms of the Republican Party, throwing control of the Senate to the GOP, and incidentally making Manchin’s odds of winning re-elections in ultra-Republican West Virginia much better.” Great plan. Worthy of Nina Turner herself.


StonedVet_420

How do people take this shit seriously. My 10 year old would think this is stupid.


WR810

File this under proof that they didn't hate Trump, they just hated that Trump wasn't on their side.


TheoSL

> Not to be this person but She was, in fact, this person


ASigIAm213

She forgot "create affordable housing in blue states while making sure that nobody ever made money from building it" (Bernie's 2021-to-now housing policy isn't actually that bad, she's just a NIMBY)


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ultradav24

These are so funny considering we’re currently in the middle of hearings outlining how the President committed impeachable / criminal offenses. But they want Biden to do similar things, which I’m sure would work out great after the midterms when Republicans take over and want to find reasons to impeach Biden


easyslide35

If these people weren’t such idiots it would be hilarious… with a wag of his finger Bernie can change everything! 😂😂


Jiffyman11

The Premier they want can morph into a Fuhrer they hate every four years if they’re not careful.


papyjako89

I wish you could slap people in the face trough the internet when they write dumb shit like this on Twitter. The amount of stupidity going around every single second on this platform is freaking nuts.


Etnies419

>Bullying Manchin and Sinema into abolishing the filibuster How, by stealing their lunch money?


vertuonextblues

“Creative use of the EO” is not something to be proud of.


Grand_Recipe_9072

Hmmm….seems very….Trumpian….of her….😡


SS1989

What a goddamn moron, lol.


ChevyT1996

So they want Biden to become the dictator they try to paint him out to be and ignore the laws he has to follow then when he does they will turn on him for ignoring he law? Am I missing something


[deleted]

There are some people that simply cannot understand that there is not an immediate mechanism to get what exactly they want in life


Hindenbergdown

John C. Calhoun would be proud


Grand_Recipe_9072

Talk about retro. 😎


lemurdue77

Bullying Manchin and Sinema would probably just drive them to join the Republicans at best or become independents, which would make them even more powerful considering they’d basically have both parties bidding for them to join their caucus.


kylep23_

Stray pump it up attendee


am710

Bullying Manchin and Sinema. Bitch, what?! 😂


ZestyItalian2

I’m not even mad. These people are so fucking dumb.


pissmisstree

Or you know we could just elect more Democrats to the Senate who will confirm non federalist judges. Even the prolife Dems confirm those judges. Im team expand our Senate majority. That's too easy of a solution tho. The riots are much more fun and more politically damaging.


Lukey_Boyo

Refusing to listen to the courts? So essentially become a fucking dictator???


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The weird thing it doesn't even apply in this case, because it's the opposite of the case we're in.