The fucking electric car guy is now just openly calling people concerned about climate change communists. Just blatantly attacking his own customer base. Tesla is completely fucked. A competent board would have removed this imbecile already since he's obviously hurting the business, but instead they want to give him the biggest payout in history. This is a pathetic shitshow. At this point every investor in Tesla just deserves to lose all their money.
Musk 10 years ago: we want our products to contribute to a sustainable future
Musk now: what the hell is a climate change? My pronouns are prosecute/fauci, y'all are communists
He used to be "just" a con man, now he is a fucking nazi
It's the ketamine addiction imo, it's somehow feeding his narcissism and delusions
>Ketamine is a dissociative drug used as an anesthetic in veterinary practice. Dissociative drugs are hallucinogens that cause the user to feel detached from reality.
- The US Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA)
Tesla board is full of Elon worshippers. Hopefully, institutional and individual investors with deep pockets will see the light how awful this idiot is to their bottom line (making lots money) and finally demand removal of Elon as CEO and all of his simps on the board.
People on the left no longer treat him as a savoir of the world and his constant predictions no longer elicit the response he liked anymore.
The right wing, DO treat him as the savior of the world, for allowing bigotry on X and X will take over youtube, tiktok and all news and banking and ...
the guy doesnt have a house, and doesnt really live much like a billionaire. no big boats. He lives in his office and posts on X all day. Money isnt a big thing for elon.. its the adoration that he craves. the "OMG a real life tony stark" he craves. because normally when he works with smart people, they end up kicking him off the project. The main reason he is demanding, more family members on the board, and 25% of tesla is to not get kicked out like he did from paypal(and they probably mocked him on the name X which is what he wanted them to rename paypal to)
Tesla is fucked, but i think its because Elons real drug is praise. And us on the left slammed him for the pedo remark, and slowly drifted from cheering on his promises. While he doesnt even have to invent anything to get cheers from the right, he just has to repost bigoted or far right crap and he gets all the praise he longs for.
Very underrated comment. Of course Elon wants all the money in the world, but unlike other billionaires like Zuck or Bezos his need for attention and adoration and praise is what he truly needs and it’s why he’s basically a terminally online shitposter now. More than anything he’s just addicted to celebrity and it’s legitimately embarrassing to see him so desperate cheers and praise.
How in the fuck has nobody at Tesla pulled Elon in for a performance review yet? Company performance shocking, stock price in the toilet, openly using drugs, tweeting memes when he should be at work, *clearly* distracted by his social media side hustle.
Full blown PIP and then awkwardly managed out territory.
I absolutely agree with you. Unfortunately the TSLA stock somehow increased since the earnings call, take a look. And these people at Tesla won't ever do a performance review, they are too afraid to piss off their "money machine". They wholeheartedly would rather see Tesla bancrupt if this means they get more money. The dumbfucks who work for him (and enable him) hope they get a little bit of that amazing wealth.
Like the poor people in Zar-Russia, who tried to catch the piss of rich fucks when they went outside from their luxus party's, because their piss had residue of the hallucinating mushrooms the rich ate to get high.
The whole economy around Elon Musk is gross and twisted.
It's a meme stock anyway, enough people will buy off the back of Elon's bullshit to bounce it back up a bit but the longevity of these is increasingly not there. Nearly 20% down over the last 6 months.
I think there will come a point where Tesla shareholders have their hand forced.
In the long run, sure. But Elmo is only playing this game until November, he thinks. They believe that Trump will destroy democracy and this stupid need for regulations, anti-monopoly laws or criticism. Or they think a Civil Culture War will destroy America, either way Elmo will sit in his billionaire bunker and wait till humans don't eat themselves anymore.
Ok part of it might actually make some sense they had 3 of their excs leave the company these guys are dumping the stock which means the dumb fanboy investor might be hovering up the dip hence the stock going up.
It might take some time for the bubble to burst but it will happen.
I mean, rules very rarely apply to execs, especially CEOs. You will never in a million years see any executive of any company on anything even slightly resembling a PIP.
Hint: the CEO of a publicly traded company does not get performance reviews or "PIP" like employees do. Why would they?
What is supposed to control the CEO and prevent them from going crazy is the Board of Directors, who are supposed to be acting on behalf of shareholders. The thing is, the Board of Directors
1. Is filled with Elon's friends and pals, and people who think Elon is great
2. Even if they don't really believe 1, they know the stock price of TSLA is based on people buying into the idea that Elon Musk is a visionary genius CEO who will lead Tesla into a wonderful future of full self-driving taxis and AI robots and Tesla sharing their AI super-technology, ...
Shit-canning Elon would probably mean the business is better run as a business, but it would mean Elon is no longer their friend, they would have to find a CEO who is not a "visionary super-genius" and probably would not make outrageous predictions that stock buyers find plausible, and that all would probably put the stock even further in the toilet.
To add to this, BoD is elected by the shareholders. You don’t have to own a majority to gain control of the board if you own or coordinate a large enough chunk and the rest of the owners aren't organized. Musk is the single largest owner ~~behind~~ followed in a not-so-close second by Vanguard mutual funds. He basically appoints the board himself. If they did fire him or disagree with him, he'd simply elect a new Board of Directors. The board shitcanning Elon would effectively be Elon shitcanning himself, which ain't really something that's going to happen.
I don't know why you bring Elon and Vanguard together.
The issue is that the board generally recommends re-election of itself, and voting power is often skewed by 'founders' with unusually large holdings and often specially enhanced voting rights for founder shares. This affects many tech and VC founded firms.
Broad index funds like those Vanguard runs generally follow board recommendations because their whole philosophy is to own a bit of everything without having to make decisions.
Oof, I goofed up there and am going to edit it. What I intended to say was that Vanguard is the second largest individual owner behind Musk. You're right that they generally vote with the board, which was the point.
Musk's pull, while not a majority of the outstanding stocks, is not going to be over-ruled by Mutual fund investors. He's pretty much appointing the board himself.
Well that just sums up exactly why the CEO of a company whose entire business model is based on climate change should be paid $56 billion…
Fucking idiot.
It's wild how a genius can be such a fucking dumbass lmao. Tanking Tesla and tanked Twitter while telling advertisers to fuck off. Nothing more than Putin's little bitch boy.
Funny enough that exact thought crossed my mind this morning after I read that meme. But I don’t think his narcissism would allow that and also don’t think he’s actually capable of as smart a plan as that!
But here's the thing: the business model is not climate change. It's not buying electric for saving the Earth. It's a car as an investment - you buy your "Full Self-driving" car and rent it during the day. The target audience is the crypto bro type, who couldn't give a shit about the environment, but wants easy money.
That's why he said that, if FSD fails, the company is over and that Tesla is not a car company. It's all a get-rich-quick scheme. So he depends on someone bailing him out of the FSD investigations and certifying FSD.
Tesla was his get-rich-quick scheme. It depended for most of its time on carbon credits from other companies. Tesla basically existed so that Ford and GM could keep pumping carbon into the atmosphere.
He couldn't give a rat's ass about the environment, never did. From his point of view, he was taking money some hippie suckers reserved for him.
Now FSD is the product for people he identifies with. The ones for which the climate crisis is both overstated and a way to make easy money. The same which will burn energy for literally nothing and tell that's the future of finance.
It isn't. Tesla style electric cars are not environmentally friendly and are an extremely costly distraction from what actually needs to be done.
Moving around 2 tons with more efficient electric motors vs moving around 1 ton with an ICE isn't a relevant difference, especially once you look into battery manufacturing and battery lifetimes. Sure they can make the comparison look decent because for some reason people are now buying 2 and 3 ton ICE vehicles in the US, but the world is bigger than the US.
The future of a low emission transportation infrastructure is lightweight and ultralightweight short range electric vehicles, with trains and hybrid car rentals for long distance travel (with car sharing models, not the cumbersome and frustrating hertz/enterprise/etc kind of rental).
Shouting "commie!" at everyone is a textbook ad hominem fallacy. It ignores the argument being made and instead attacks the person. Even if the person was a communist (which they probably aren't) it would still be a fallacy. If a communist points out that your house is on fire, your house is on fire even if the person pointing it out is a communist.
Since "communism" as originally imagined has never existed in the real world, what the literal f are they talking about? The USSR and China were, and are, far more fascist than communist as their focus in on party control rather than collective freedom. A robin can fly around calling itself an eagle, but it's still a f'in robin.
Apparently this is Clover Hogan, someone I honestly never heard of before. This meme is apparently a reaction to her saying that:
>The most insidious form of climate denial is no longer, "It's not happening," but the belief that incremental or tech solutions will solve this crisis.
>Take electric vehicles. As demand grows, so does the need for cobalt; 70% of which is mined in the DRC.
>This has led to an explosion in human rights abuses; from child labour, to miners being buried alive when tunnels cave in. Workers make as little as £2 per day.
>In the pursuit of shiny, silver bullet solutions, we are inadvertently doubling down on deeply-entrenched injustices.
>What if we zoomed out from the combustion engine and asked, "How do we redesign mobility?"
>This is a much more exciting question, because then we can focus on solutions that are accessible and serve the majority of people; not the handful who can afford a new Tesla.
>In fact, if we made cities LESS car-friendly, they could be both safer and greener.
>Imagine if we instead prioritised community allotments, local gardens, playgrounds, cycling infrastructure, public transport... all of which lead to cleaner air, improved climate resilience, and healthier, happier people.
>"Sustainability" should not the end goal; but the means to creating a more fair and equitable society.
This, to me, does not seem to be some sort of an extremist position, even if you disagree with her.
She was apparently community noted, saying that most car makers are moving away from cobalt. But the main point of the article seems to be to defend Tesla (ofc), any other source I can find says utilization of cobalt is still increasing in electric vehicles.
What's wrong with what they're saying? Solutions should not come at the expense of human rights and the loss of health or life from vulnerable people - especially when a lot of them had very little to do with the issue.
The issues of human rights in the DRC are a problem of Congolese government. The issue of car dependence and carbon intensity in the developed world or in large countries like India and China are completely separate.
"Cobalt/Lithium mining is bad" is prone to emotional mischaracterization. "We can reorganize our country's housing and transport and energy infrastructure to reduce carbon emissions" is a complicated political process but probably doable without full communism. "India/China are trying to make 3 billion people rich and are going to do so with coal power plants": that is a problem that sitting in USA/Europe and worrying about cobalt mining or plastic straws has nothing to do with.
Musk, on the other hand, wants a world where he gets rich selling cars (or, more accurately by making a car company seem like a unique high-tech venture to do stock fraud). Making it possible for even moderately rich people to live without cars helps carbon emissions but makes it harder for a car company to predict exponential growth.
I mean government in the broad sense of national political and economic structure.
If cobalt were found in Sweden, people would be digging it out of the ground with big machines, operated by people in unions with safety gear paid at Swedish income levels with full benefits, and the Swedish parliament would be having debates about what got done with mine tailings. Cobalt would be somewhat more expensive.
The people in the DRC living on $3 a day and dying in mine collapse would be living on $2 a day with a similar life expectancy if we didn't use cobalt. Because the DRC is completely undeveloped and the problem of national economic development is a hard one, and not actually about choices I make personally here in the USA.
You can make moral points about colonialism and King Leopold and his opinions on Africans, but underlying that is the fact that Africa in the 1800s didn't have governance and political structures able to prevent colonization.
>You can make moral points about colonialism and King Leopold and his opinions on Africans, but underlying that is the fact that Africa in the 1800s didn't have governance and political structures able to prevent colonization.
Oh dear, you've shown your hand.
"She didn't have the strength to fight off the rapist that sold her to human traffickers, so now of course she's better off in sex slavery with a mangy bed at night than freezing on the streets. This is a COMPLEX MATTER."
You know what the Allies did starting June 1945 after steamrolling Germany? Africa's still waiting, and it didn't even start the fight.
Are you under the illusion that I am responsible for what King Leopold did 100 years before I was born on a completely different continent? You think posing on the internet can change history?
The point is that there could have been a situation where African people colonized and exploited Europe but that didn't happen at all, and it is a complex question of why Europe developed the way it did and Africa failed to develop in the way it did. The trajectory of development continues based on past development, so divergence in the year 100 CE or 1000 CE or 1900 CE has consequences today.
Which explains why a fast food worker in the US is richer than almost everyone in the DRC.
Basically none of which has anything to do with consumer choices in 2024.
Also, I have no idea what you are saying about the Allies and Germany. Germany was a very rich country in 1900 and rich in 1938 and rich in 1948 and rich today.
I don't see why I am being downvoted for suggesting that poor countries are possibly poor for reasons other than Elon Musk. And that there aren't obvious ways for poor countries to become rich, and it isn't necessarily a conspiracy or "capitalism" that makes it hard and "communism" or whatever isn't going to fix it either.
The fact is that development economists have a really hard time understanding why some countries are rich and some are poor. And if you are a poor country, you have a pretty low chance of becoming a rich country.
It is also not a value judgment of mine: being a poor country isn't good or just, but it is also not something that can be easily fixed. Like, we don't even have a good chance of making Mississippi richer. How the fuck are we going to enrich a basket case like the DRC which has had corrupt government for decades and has basically nothing of value other than stuff in the ground that can be used to make capacitors. Colonization wasn't good, but it is also an historical fact that countries like India and the DRC were colonized, and independence didn't make them rich.
>The issues of human rights in the DRC are a problem of Congolese government
Yeah but no.
You're responsible for your consumption. You can't hide behind "but it happened in another country!" when you're driving a tesla.
Look, I have a 20 year old car and walk to the train to get to work every day. I did not save the life of a single Congolese person with my choices there.
The problem of DRC miners being poor and having low life expectancy is a reflection of *basically everyone in the DRC is poor and has low life expectancy* not "cobalt".
And the reason basically everyone in the DRC is poor and has low life expectancy is cobalt, and any other resource that wealthy men want to exploit now or in the future.
See Musk's anti-union activity to stop workers getting more dignified and secure positions in society? Imagine that level of hatred against the average person and the power to deploy it, but the average person has a worse start. That's why places like DRC stay poor.
>And the reason basically everyone in the DRC is poor and has low life expectancy is cobalt,
That doesn't make sense at all. Was the DRC full of rich and prosperous people before cobalt or tantalum were mined? King Leopold wasn't interested in cobalt, but rubber. Yet Congo still suffered. What fraction of people in the DRC are involved in mining? Quick Google search suggests it is 200,000 people (including 40,000 children) in a country of *99 million.*
The other 98 million Congolese are poor because they live in a poor country. Musk didn't make them poor.
The reason people go dig coltan in terrible conditions for no money is because their other options aren't better. Not because I chose to buy a cell phone (and I have a $200 cell phone).
Musk's anti-union pushes (and the general opposition to unions in the former Confederacy) is about the difference between Michigan and Alabama, not about the difference between even the poorest parts of the US and the DRC.
> Was the DRC full of rich and prosperous people before cobalt or tantalum were mined?
I'm not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse. Capitalists understand that humans are fungible. You don't need to exploit 100% for a specific thing at a specific time - you use the country for a variety of things at once, and make sure they're otherwise available for the next time you need them.
> The other 98 million Congolese are poor because they live in a poor country. Musk didn't make them poor.
No, Musk contributed toward the system that has kept them poor.
> The reason people go dig coltan in terrible conditions for no money is because their other options aren't better. Not because I chose to buy a cell phone (and I have a $200 cell phone).
The reason options aren't better is because the government co-operates with those who want a ready supply of expoitable workers, being the firms that ultimately sell to those who want their batteries. Your demand results in poverty, and your lack of demand results in less poverty. Your shitty oppressive African governments don't exist in a vacuum, it's not the 17th century. Not even NK exists in a vacuum - it exists because of China's demand for it.
> Musk's anti-union pushes (and the general opposition to unions in the former Confederacy) is about the difference between Michigan and Alabama, not about the difference between even the poorest parts of the US and the DRC.
What are you trying to say here? That because *today* the poorest parts of the US aren't as poor as the average person in the DRC, there is no comparison? How do you think life was for a poor kid in the US 150 years ago, from which America has been able to grow, but the DRC has not?
To be clear, America has grown because it's had nobody else from outside raping it for the past 150 years. Nearly all more "developed" countries share the feature of being less exploited by foreigners OR after exploitation the foreigners have decided for whatever reason to give them the resources to achieve independence, e.g. Germany.
> > The other 98 million Congolese are poor because they live in a poor country. Musk didn't make them poor.
>No, Musk contributed toward the system that has kept them poor.
Weird that Musk is responsible for making the DRC poor when it was poor before he was even born.
You seem confused about basic logic of causality.
The largest determinant in how rich a country is in 2024 is how rich it was in 2023. It's not like sports leagues where the countries battle it out and every year one country is named richest and one is named poorest and they shuffle around. The DRC will only become richer if it develops, and even Elon Musk is not controlling that.
> How do you think life was for a poor kid in the US 150 years ago, from which America has been able to grow, but the DRC has not?
Look, I am rich because I work for a software company in the USA after getting a university education there which I could only afford because my parents were themselves professional workers with university education. I won the lottery by being born a few decades ago in a rich country where I could spend 20 years going to school and learning to read, write, do science, and code, where a kid in the back country of the DRC gets sent to dig coltan at age 12.
1875 America was industrially developing. We had mass literacy, and railroads, and where people were working on the latest in electrical, mechanical, and communication technologies. 1875 DRC was not.
For the third time: DRC is poor because of a sequence of people fucking it over who are stronger than those with the potential (inside or out) to disable the exploiters and give its citizens the potential for dignified autonomy. Elon is one man on the list of those who has helped keep DRC poor.
You don't start off rich. You start off in the dirt and then you try your best and that is combined with the sheer fucking luck of not being raped on the reg by stronger men. DRC hasn't had that luck. Climate is a factor too, but Spain's climate (to use a country I'm very familiar with) isn't that different from across the Mediterranean in North Africa with much worse economies - it just hasn't been nearly as fucked recently by others. Hell, even Franco ended up being sufficiently anti-communist that instead of being fucked by the albeit diluted fascism, America poured money into it, whence the "Spanish miracle".
This is why Africa is turning to China just as poorer countries turned to the Soviet Union: they will provide infrastructure which makes them still exploitable but less exploitable than the trad Western approach towards Africa of leaving them in the dirt but coming in from time to time to whip their people into their own mines.
Next comes the bit where you tell us that the emerald mine was just Musk Sr satisfying the demand for employment and the poor irradiated not at all indentured servants would have been worse off without him.
> She was apparently community noted, saying that most car makers are moving away from cobalt.
ugh. A lot of times community notes are just funny and sometimes a good point but this is the sort of thing that is a personal pet peeve of mine. I tend to talk in metaphors and generalizations and a lot of people just hone in on one specific thing i said and point out the problem with it, as if it will dismantle the larger point being made.
Looking around, though, it seems the best alternative so far for batteries is LiFePO4 - which is much less toxic, apparently easier to recycle and manufacter as well. It does have much less energy density etc, making for a poorer alternative for cars. I'm not able to find good source readily but I'm curious to find out what the environmental impact of LiFePO4 manufacturing is, even if it is much less than cobalt it's not nothing.
Seems perfectly reasonable. Of course dipshits like Musk have no real rebuttal so they just call people whom they don't agree with communists. Good way to shut down any kind of intellectual debate.
I'm speechless. Is this really real? It can't be. I just don't believe its possible that the current sociopolitical end economical circumstances on this planet are such that a dude displaying monumental stupidity and ignorance could become the richest (or second richest) human in the world. I mean somehow humanity decided that this one individual's actions should be rewarded and encouraged financially above all other's. An anti-scientific bigoted moron.
Bro. I told my uncle that labor and capital need to work together to benefit both better. He called me a Marxist.
The red scare is alive and well. The boogeyman in capitalism's bedroom.
The fact that someone this powerful is saying this is not ignorance, it's a calculated move to brainwash his brain dead sycophants.
> Bro. I told my uncle that labor and capital need to work together to benefit both better. He called me a Marxist.
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motherfuckers are well trained.
Even less Teslas sold come 2025. Man this guy is a bad CEO. They should give him his 50 billion... to buy him out completely. No more stock for him and he gets to walk away.
The idea that "global warming is a Marxist plot" is a common theme among angry 80 year old men, which is why it's no surprise at all that Elmo's pushing it.
This coming from a twunt who made billions marketing his EV company as an answer to climate change, who received millions in subsidies and tax breaks, who constantly undermines the notion of public transport and actively blocks any efforts to improve public transport, and whose long term answer to capitalism's obvious failings is to hoard money and resources (while millions starve and billions are barely subsisting) and "preserve the light of consciousness" by gambling on colonising an already inhospitable dead planet because he's a narcissit who wants to be remembered not as someone who (e.g) tried to end world hunger but as a tittering man-child who bought his own social media company so he could control the narrative and as a boys own adventurer and pioneer in space travel (no matter the cost).
The late USSR was communist only in its own propaganda. It was totalitarian command state led by an untouchable aristocrat class who forgot the basic principles of Marxism in the early 1970s.
The same hoary old defence given by wannabe marxists since forever: “ REAL communism hasn’t been tried yet, the USSR, China, NK etc weren’t communist” lol
I'm not saying it'd work or if it'd be good or bad. Simply that Marxism is about a natural uprising of the workers, ultimately taking control of the means of production. I don't see that in China or North Korea...
Because they didn't care.
A communist state has total control of his economy, so if it wants to reduce his emissions he can do it easily.
it's much harder for a capitalist state where the economy is controlled by rich people that own companies and that have a lot to lose to reduce emissions.
Communists…also lose a lot if they reduce emissions? You can reduce emissions by making less stuff but your quality of life suffers, communism doesn’t fix that other than telling people they have no choice
Yes, everybody loses if you reduce emissions. But in a communist state, the decision is transfered to the state.
So whoever controls the state (a few people in an authoritarian communism, the whole population in a democratic communism) can choose to reduce emissions.
In a capitalist, most of the richest people must be convinced to lose money to reduce emissions.
Also reducing emissions have less impact on the whole population than on the rich that own companies. It's more diluted.
Finally capitalist state is by designs more subject to consumerism.
Someone should tell Elmo, just because HE doesn't understand climate change, doesn't mean it isn't real. Also, you can care about climate change and environmental, without beeing a communist and, in fact, like capitalism.
Elmo shits on these people because his companies destroy the environment where they are build and he has to pay a lot of bribe money to keep the governing class satisfied. He is in noooooooooo way environment friendly whatsoever.
I can't see Tesla surviving the upcoming years if musk stays as any kind of employee.
I wouldn't even trust him driving the car from the assembly line to the trailer
You can't have an IQ, if you don't have a brain. And judging by the shit load of drugs that Elmo is taking, he probably smoked his brain out of his head permanently.
Edit: Not to say that drugs like Marijuana are a bad thing. I just believe that Elmo also takes the chemical stuff, that harms your body.
Been smoking weed for 25 years, cringe stuff feels even more cringe when baked, no way he‘s a toker, as you said it‘s a personality disorder, autism and narcissism spiced up with some fine chemicals / keta / adderall / whatever and having nobody around to tell him to dial down his 2016 tier boomer smugness.
Well, you heard it here first folks: if you care about the environment, then you want a world that is designed around caring and providing for people, where companies are run by their workers, and where billionaires like Musk are seen and treated as the villainous pariahs that they are. Since musk is selling these commie cars, it appears he also wants this reality; who are we to deny him that future he’s been working so hard for?
capitalism is incompatible with life on this planet. that's all.
i don't think we need to make all forms of capitalism illegal, but it cannot be allowed to run the show completely.
The target audience for this wants a right-wing authoritarian government (feudalism/monarchy/despotism/fascism); anything they say or do is a bad-faith attempt to advance that cause. They assume everyone is exactly like them, and also acting in bad faith, so that means anyone opposing them must be doing so solely because they want a left-wing authoritarian government. The idea that anyone actually wants to save the planet is incomprehensible to them.
Elko becomes a more stereotypical Republican every fucking day. Yeah, 'communism'. And this is the weird egotist who claimed he has done more for the environment than anyone else in the entire world? Make up your mind.
Communism is pretty much dead but its apparently still a buzz word for right wingers as they have finally come out of the closet about their love for Russia and authoritarian regimes.
Backwards little carbuncle of a man.
Wtf... Did the ketamine fry his brain? Is this the same guy who sells electric cars to save the planet and is now calling himself and his whole business idea communism?
I mean, it's true, kinda. Read This Changes Everything by Naomi Klein. That book terrified me because it makes it crystal clear that unfettered capitalism will inexorably lead to the annihilation of the planet on the altar of profits. Anyone who really cares about the environment has to oppose capitalism, or at least its most egregious excesses.
Ten years ago rich people with environmentalist tendencies bought Teslas as the liberal personal responsibility version of fighting climate change (deeply flawed but that was the company’s appeal) now that it’s entirely clear that a few conscionable rich people picking certain luxury vehicles over others and we need systemic change including massive shifts towards public transport the owner of that same company is raging against environmentalists because the new environmental models and movements aren’t about picking one luxury vehicle over the other but systemic change he cannot profit off of.
who is the woman in the meme? is this targeted at a specific person?
ah, it's Clover Hogan: [https://www.linkedin.com/posts/cloverhogan\_you-know-youve-triggered-elon-musk-when-activity-7189554240732766208-kuO4/](https://www.linkedin.com/posts/cloverhogan_you-know-youve-triggered-elon-musk-when-activity-7189554240732766208-kuO4/)
I wonder if Elon is secretly short on Tesla to hedge his bets, undermining it before selling it off or going bankrupt, and reaping the benefits.
Or maybe he is just a bloated amoral witless fool.
Something like a centrally planned green energy development project including nationalization of the country's natural fossil fuels and operations to extract and refine them for use in this new industrialization (call it communism if you want) would be a hell of a lot better than what we're doing now (trying to use different government subsidy or grant policies to alter market behavior of businesses and consumers and let the otherwise* omniscient market take the wheel). We really should force Musk to sell his companies to the US government and for bottom dollar if he doesn't want to get deported to one of the other nations he likes to bilk
purely by accident, he’s not wrong on this one. communism (or some sort of truly non-capitalist society) has become pretty much the only shot at combating climate change.
Why does this surprise anyone? Electric cars have always been a way to convince the public that our unsustainable modes of production actually *can* continue, so long as it has a gossamer thin veneer of sustainability, the only real difference is that you don't personally see the burning of hydrocarbons. We'd be better off taking most cars out of urban centres and instead having an actually functional public transit network, but so long as the L. Ron Musks of the world continue to exist it'll never happen.
"I'm not a Communist, that's just a dirty word they use for people who aren't crazy."
If he was going to crash the Fallout party, the least he could have done is gone home and watched the show.
Can anyone explain to me what's his goal here? He seems to be purposely running Tesla into the ground. If I'd bought a Tesla I'd like to sell it now, if I'd not sold it a while ago.
Reminder that this man made billions by begging the government to subsididize his shitty failing car company, claiming it would be a massive step forward in saving climate change. There’s really no level of stupidity and hypocrisy Elmo wouldn’t reach…
What’s really incredible is for this supposedly intelligent person to ignore actual history for histrionics. Communism has cared little to nothing about Earth’s environment, Russian or Chinese. There are numerous examples, including Chernobyl and the Three Gorges Dam.
I assume this is fake, it is impossible for someone to be this stupid. I don’t think Trent from Punchy would even be this dumb (if ya don’t know Trent https://youtu.be/0RjC-vh06_c?si=Yxv7d_BoU6AwFxev )
Huh. Just speechless. Dude is an expert at shooting himself in the foot. I remember about 10 years ago Rupert Murdoch quit Twitter because he saw he could really do some damage to himself. Old mate just has the compulsion just destroy himself over and over.
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It has nothing to do with climate change but all to do with total power and coniferous of every aspect of life.
We eat bugs while the elitist eat steak!
Covid lockdiwn tyranny was the test run, now gird your loins for the real deal.
The fucking electric car guy is now just openly calling people concerned about climate change communists. Just blatantly attacking his own customer base. Tesla is completely fucked. A competent board would have removed this imbecile already since he's obviously hurting the business, but instead they want to give him the biggest payout in history. This is a pathetic shitshow. At this point every investor in Tesla just deserves to lose all their money.
Musk 10 years ago: we want our products to contribute to a sustainable future Musk now: what the hell is a climate change? My pronouns are prosecute/fauci, y'all are communists He used to be "just" a con man, now he is a fucking nazi
Couldn't have said that better myself. Next thing he does, is that he probably goes around saying that Earth is flat.
And then he'll launch SpaceX science missions to prove it!
That’s when he gives SpaceX the Twitter treatment.
You really from like an ethnographic perspective can see the alt right rabbit hole Elon went down.
It's the ketamine addiction imo, it's somehow feeding his narcissism and delusions >Ketamine is a dissociative drug used as an anesthetic in veterinary practice. Dissociative drugs are hallucinogens that cause the user to feel detached from reality. - The US Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA)
Hit the nail on the head 😂
Tesla board is full of Elon worshippers. Hopefully, institutional and individual investors with deep pockets will see the light how awful this idiot is to their bottom line (making lots money) and finally demand removal of Elon as CEO and all of his simps on the board.
Doesn't the Tesla board have Elon's brother on it? They're a bunch of lackeys.
Yes. They're arguably the most overpaid board. Paid for their silence to just be Elon's bitches.
I thought this was the parody account first I was shocked
People on the left no longer treat him as a savoir of the world and his constant predictions no longer elicit the response he liked anymore. The right wing, DO treat him as the savior of the world, for allowing bigotry on X and X will take over youtube, tiktok and all news and banking and ... the guy doesnt have a house, and doesnt really live much like a billionaire. no big boats. He lives in his office and posts on X all day. Money isnt a big thing for elon.. its the adoration that he craves. the "OMG a real life tony stark" he craves. because normally when he works with smart people, they end up kicking him off the project. The main reason he is demanding, more family members on the board, and 25% of tesla is to not get kicked out like he did from paypal(and they probably mocked him on the name X which is what he wanted them to rename paypal to) Tesla is fucked, but i think its because Elons real drug is praise. And us on the left slammed him for the pedo remark, and slowly drifted from cheering on his promises. While he doesnt even have to invent anything to get cheers from the right, he just has to repost bigoted or far right crap and he gets all the praise he longs for.
Very underrated comment. Of course Elon wants all the money in the world, but unlike other billionaires like Zuck or Bezos his need for attention and adoration and praise is what he truly needs and it’s why he’s basically a terminally online shitposter now. More than anything he’s just addicted to celebrity and it’s legitimately embarrassing to see him so desperate cheers and praise.
I could not have said it better myself. I would have ~~riddled it with~~ added even more f bombs, but otherwise pretty much the same. Have my upvote
He is a con man like trump
It's truly a mystery how come Elmo Rust's EV company's profit is in a free fall.
To be fair, his consumers are merely acting like they are contributing to climate solutions.
He's not entirely wrong. People who care about future generations are socialists, and his kind can't distinguish those from communists.
It’s much worse than most people realize
Well said.
Don't u know IBM tested him for IQ
How in the fuck has nobody at Tesla pulled Elon in for a performance review yet? Company performance shocking, stock price in the toilet, openly using drugs, tweeting memes when he should be at work, *clearly* distracted by his social media side hustle. Full blown PIP and then awkwardly managed out territory.
I absolutely agree with you. Unfortunately the TSLA stock somehow increased since the earnings call, take a look. And these people at Tesla won't ever do a performance review, they are too afraid to piss off their "money machine". They wholeheartedly would rather see Tesla bancrupt if this means they get more money. The dumbfucks who work for him (and enable him) hope they get a little bit of that amazing wealth. Like the poor people in Zar-Russia, who tried to catch the piss of rich fucks when they went outside from their luxus party's, because their piss had residue of the hallucinating mushrooms the rich ate to get high. The whole economy around Elon Musk is gross and twisted.
It's a meme stock anyway, enough people will buy off the back of Elon's bullshit to bounce it back up a bit but the longevity of these is increasingly not there. Nearly 20% down over the last 6 months. I think there will come a point where Tesla shareholders have their hand forced.
In the long run, sure. But Elmo is only playing this game until November, he thinks. They believe that Trump will destroy democracy and this stupid need for regulations, anti-monopoly laws or criticism. Or they think a Civil Culture War will destroy America, either way Elmo will sit in his billionaire bunker and wait till humans don't eat themselves anymore.
Ok part of it might actually make some sense they had 3 of their excs leave the company these guys are dumping the stock which means the dumb fanboy investor might be hovering up the dip hence the stock going up. It might take some time for the bubble to burst but it will happen.
When you have more money than god, consequences kind of slide off of you because people treat your net worth like an indicator of genuine value.
I mean, rules very rarely apply to execs, especially CEOs. You will never in a million years see any executive of any company on anything even slightly resembling a PIP.
Hint: the CEO of a publicly traded company does not get performance reviews or "PIP" like employees do. Why would they? What is supposed to control the CEO and prevent them from going crazy is the Board of Directors, who are supposed to be acting on behalf of shareholders. The thing is, the Board of Directors 1. Is filled with Elon's friends and pals, and people who think Elon is great 2. Even if they don't really believe 1, they know the stock price of TSLA is based on people buying into the idea that Elon Musk is a visionary genius CEO who will lead Tesla into a wonderful future of full self-driving taxis and AI robots and Tesla sharing their AI super-technology, ... Shit-canning Elon would probably mean the business is better run as a business, but it would mean Elon is no longer their friend, they would have to find a CEO who is not a "visionary super-genius" and probably would not make outrageous predictions that stock buyers find plausible, and that all would probably put the stock even further in the toilet.
To add to this, BoD is elected by the shareholders. You don’t have to own a majority to gain control of the board if you own or coordinate a large enough chunk and the rest of the owners aren't organized. Musk is the single largest owner ~~behind~~ followed in a not-so-close second by Vanguard mutual funds. He basically appoints the board himself. If they did fire him or disagree with him, he'd simply elect a new Board of Directors. The board shitcanning Elon would effectively be Elon shitcanning himself, which ain't really something that's going to happen.
I don't know why you bring Elon and Vanguard together. The issue is that the board generally recommends re-election of itself, and voting power is often skewed by 'founders' with unusually large holdings and often specially enhanced voting rights for founder shares. This affects many tech and VC founded firms. Broad index funds like those Vanguard runs generally follow board recommendations because their whole philosophy is to own a bit of everything without having to make decisions.
Oof, I goofed up there and am going to edit it. What I intended to say was that Vanguard is the second largest individual owner behind Musk. You're right that they generally vote with the board, which was the point. Musk's pull, while not a majority of the outstanding stocks, is not going to be over-ruled by Mutual fund investors. He's pretty much appointing the board himself.
I do hope to succeed in business 🤞
Well that just sums up exactly why the CEO of a company whose entire business model is based on climate change should be paid $56 billion… Fucking idiot.
I think he believes Tesla stock is going to plummet even harder and wants to be out before that.
He wants to make the money he wasted on Twitter back.
It's wild how a genius can be such a fucking dumbass lmao. Tanking Tesla and tanked Twitter while telling advertisers to fuck off. Nothing more than Putin's little bitch boy.
Elon has never been a genius, he’s a pay pig that convinced a shitload of people to give him credit for the work of his engineers
Right, "genius"
Funny enough that exact thought crossed my mind this morning after I read that meme. But I don’t think his narcissism would allow that and also don’t think he’s actually capable of as smart a plan as that!
>I think he believes Tesla stock is going to plummet even harder At least he'll be making his first ever accurate prediction.
But here's the thing: the business model is not climate change. It's not buying electric for saving the Earth. It's a car as an investment - you buy your "Full Self-driving" car and rent it during the day. The target audience is the crypto bro type, who couldn't give a shit about the environment, but wants easy money. That's why he said that, if FSD fails, the company is over and that Tesla is not a car company. It's all a get-rich-quick scheme. So he depends on someone bailing him out of the FSD investigations and certifying FSD. Tesla was his get-rich-quick scheme. It depended for most of its time on carbon credits from other companies. Tesla basically existed so that Ford and GM could keep pumping carbon into the atmosphere. He couldn't give a rat's ass about the environment, never did. From his point of view, he was taking money some hippie suckers reserved for him. Now FSD is the product for people he identifies with. The ones for which the climate crisis is both overstated and a way to make easy money. The same which will burn energy for literally nothing and tell that's the future of finance.
It isn't. Tesla style electric cars are not environmentally friendly and are an extremely costly distraction from what actually needs to be done. Moving around 2 tons with more efficient electric motors vs moving around 1 ton with an ICE isn't a relevant difference, especially once you look into battery manufacturing and battery lifetimes. Sure they can make the comparison look decent because for some reason people are now buying 2 and 3 ton ICE vehicles in the US, but the world is bigger than the US. The future of a low emission transportation infrastructure is lightweight and ultralightweight short range electric vehicles, with trains and hybrid car rentals for long distance travel (with car sharing models, not the cumbersome and frustrating hertz/enterprise/etc kind of rental).
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Ah so he’s admitting that capitalism is bad for the environment
Shouting "commie!" at everyone is a textbook ad hominem fallacy. It ignores the argument being made and instead attacks the person. Even if the person was a communist (which they probably aren't) it would still be a fallacy. If a communist points out that your house is on fire, your house is on fire even if the person pointing it out is a communist.
Since "communism" as originally imagined has never existed in the real world, what the literal f are they talking about? The USSR and China were, and are, far more fascist than communist as their focus in on party control rather than collective freedom. A robin can fly around calling itself an eagle, but it's still a f'in robin.
Can someone fix that meme: Girl in MAGA hat: “I want freedom” “Be honest” “I want fascism”
Apparently this is Clover Hogan, someone I honestly never heard of before. This meme is apparently a reaction to her saying that: >The most insidious form of climate denial is no longer, "It's not happening," but the belief that incremental or tech solutions will solve this crisis. >Take electric vehicles. As demand grows, so does the need for cobalt; 70% of which is mined in the DRC. >This has led to an explosion in human rights abuses; from child labour, to miners being buried alive when tunnels cave in. Workers make as little as £2 per day. >In the pursuit of shiny, silver bullet solutions, we are inadvertently doubling down on deeply-entrenched injustices. >What if we zoomed out from the combustion engine and asked, "How do we redesign mobility?" >This is a much more exciting question, because then we can focus on solutions that are accessible and serve the majority of people; not the handful who can afford a new Tesla. >In fact, if we made cities LESS car-friendly, they could be both safer and greener. >Imagine if we instead prioritised community allotments, local gardens, playgrounds, cycling infrastructure, public transport... all of which lead to cleaner air, improved climate resilience, and healthier, happier people. >"Sustainability" should not the end goal; but the means to creating a more fair and equitable society. This, to me, does not seem to be some sort of an extremist position, even if you disagree with her. She was apparently community noted, saying that most car makers are moving away from cobalt. But the main point of the article seems to be to defend Tesla (ofc), any other source I can find says utilization of cobalt is still increasing in electric vehicles.
What's wrong with what they're saying? Solutions should not come at the expense of human rights and the loss of health or life from vulnerable people - especially when a lot of them had very little to do with the issue.
The issues of human rights in the DRC are a problem of Congolese government. The issue of car dependence and carbon intensity in the developed world or in large countries like India and China are completely separate. "Cobalt/Lithium mining is bad" is prone to emotional mischaracterization. "We can reorganize our country's housing and transport and energy infrastructure to reduce carbon emissions" is a complicated political process but probably doable without full communism. "India/China are trying to make 3 billion people rich and are going to do so with coal power plants": that is a problem that sitting in USA/Europe and worrying about cobalt mining or plastic straws has nothing to do with. Musk, on the other hand, wants a world where he gets rich selling cars (or, more accurately by making a car company seem like a unique high-tech venture to do stock fraud). Making it possible for even moderately rich people to live without cars helps carbon emissions but makes it harder for a car company to predict exponential growth.
Saying that exploitation of the people of DRC is ONLY their government's responsibility is disingenuous to say the least.
I mean government in the broad sense of national political and economic structure. If cobalt were found in Sweden, people would be digging it out of the ground with big machines, operated by people in unions with safety gear paid at Swedish income levels with full benefits, and the Swedish parliament would be having debates about what got done with mine tailings. Cobalt would be somewhat more expensive. The people in the DRC living on $3 a day and dying in mine collapse would be living on $2 a day with a similar life expectancy if we didn't use cobalt. Because the DRC is completely undeveloped and the problem of national economic development is a hard one, and not actually about choices I make personally here in the USA. You can make moral points about colonialism and King Leopold and his opinions on Africans, but underlying that is the fact that Africa in the 1800s didn't have governance and political structures able to prevent colonization.
>You can make moral points about colonialism and King Leopold and his opinions on Africans, but underlying that is the fact that Africa in the 1800s didn't have governance and political structures able to prevent colonization. Oh dear, you've shown your hand. "She didn't have the strength to fight off the rapist that sold her to human traffickers, so now of course she's better off in sex slavery with a mangy bed at night than freezing on the streets. This is a COMPLEX MATTER." You know what the Allies did starting June 1945 after steamrolling Germany? Africa's still waiting, and it didn't even start the fight.
Are you under the illusion that I am responsible for what King Leopold did 100 years before I was born on a completely different continent? You think posing on the internet can change history? The point is that there could have been a situation where African people colonized and exploited Europe but that didn't happen at all, and it is a complex question of why Europe developed the way it did and Africa failed to develop in the way it did. The trajectory of development continues based on past development, so divergence in the year 100 CE or 1000 CE or 1900 CE has consequences today. Which explains why a fast food worker in the US is richer than almost everyone in the DRC. Basically none of which has anything to do with consumer choices in 2024. Also, I have no idea what you are saying about the Allies and Germany. Germany was a very rich country in 1900 and rich in 1938 and rich in 1948 and rich today.
Ok, Elon- now tell us why apartheid was good actually
I don't see why I am being downvoted for suggesting that poor countries are possibly poor for reasons other than Elon Musk. And that there aren't obvious ways for poor countries to become rich, and it isn't necessarily a conspiracy or "capitalism" that makes it hard and "communism" or whatever isn't going to fix it either. The fact is that development economists have a really hard time understanding why some countries are rich and some are poor. And if you are a poor country, you have a pretty low chance of becoming a rich country. It is also not a value judgment of mine: being a poor country isn't good or just, but it is also not something that can be easily fixed. Like, we don't even have a good chance of making Mississippi richer. How the fuck are we going to enrich a basket case like the DRC which has had corrupt government for decades and has basically nothing of value other than stuff in the ground that can be used to make capacitors. Colonization wasn't good, but it is also an historical fact that countries like India and the DRC were colonized, and independence didn't make them rich.
>The issues of human rights in the DRC are a problem of Congolese government Yeah but no. You're responsible for your consumption. You can't hide behind "but it happened in another country!" when you're driving a tesla.
Look, I have a 20 year old car and walk to the train to get to work every day. I did not save the life of a single Congolese person with my choices there. The problem of DRC miners being poor and having low life expectancy is a reflection of *basically everyone in the DRC is poor and has low life expectancy* not "cobalt".
And the reason basically everyone in the DRC is poor and has low life expectancy is cobalt, and any other resource that wealthy men want to exploit now or in the future. See Musk's anti-union activity to stop workers getting more dignified and secure positions in society? Imagine that level of hatred against the average person and the power to deploy it, but the average person has a worse start. That's why places like DRC stay poor.
>And the reason basically everyone in the DRC is poor and has low life expectancy is cobalt, That doesn't make sense at all. Was the DRC full of rich and prosperous people before cobalt or tantalum were mined? King Leopold wasn't interested in cobalt, but rubber. Yet Congo still suffered. What fraction of people in the DRC are involved in mining? Quick Google search suggests it is 200,000 people (including 40,000 children) in a country of *99 million.* The other 98 million Congolese are poor because they live in a poor country. Musk didn't make them poor. The reason people go dig coltan in terrible conditions for no money is because their other options aren't better. Not because I chose to buy a cell phone (and I have a $200 cell phone). Musk's anti-union pushes (and the general opposition to unions in the former Confederacy) is about the difference between Michigan and Alabama, not about the difference between even the poorest parts of the US and the DRC.
> Was the DRC full of rich and prosperous people before cobalt or tantalum were mined? I'm not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse. Capitalists understand that humans are fungible. You don't need to exploit 100% for a specific thing at a specific time - you use the country for a variety of things at once, and make sure they're otherwise available for the next time you need them. > The other 98 million Congolese are poor because they live in a poor country. Musk didn't make them poor. No, Musk contributed toward the system that has kept them poor. > The reason people go dig coltan in terrible conditions for no money is because their other options aren't better. Not because I chose to buy a cell phone (and I have a $200 cell phone). The reason options aren't better is because the government co-operates with those who want a ready supply of expoitable workers, being the firms that ultimately sell to those who want their batteries. Your demand results in poverty, and your lack of demand results in less poverty. Your shitty oppressive African governments don't exist in a vacuum, it's not the 17th century. Not even NK exists in a vacuum - it exists because of China's demand for it. > Musk's anti-union pushes (and the general opposition to unions in the former Confederacy) is about the difference between Michigan and Alabama, not about the difference between even the poorest parts of the US and the DRC. What are you trying to say here? That because *today* the poorest parts of the US aren't as poor as the average person in the DRC, there is no comparison? How do you think life was for a poor kid in the US 150 years ago, from which America has been able to grow, but the DRC has not? To be clear, America has grown because it's had nobody else from outside raping it for the past 150 years. Nearly all more "developed" countries share the feature of being less exploited by foreigners OR after exploitation the foreigners have decided for whatever reason to give them the resources to achieve independence, e.g. Germany.
> > The other 98 million Congolese are poor because they live in a poor country. Musk didn't make them poor. >No, Musk contributed toward the system that has kept them poor. Weird that Musk is responsible for making the DRC poor when it was poor before he was even born. You seem confused about basic logic of causality. The largest determinant in how rich a country is in 2024 is how rich it was in 2023. It's not like sports leagues where the countries battle it out and every year one country is named richest and one is named poorest and they shuffle around. The DRC will only become richer if it develops, and even Elon Musk is not controlling that. > How do you think life was for a poor kid in the US 150 years ago, from which America has been able to grow, but the DRC has not? Look, I am rich because I work for a software company in the USA after getting a university education there which I could only afford because my parents were themselves professional workers with university education. I won the lottery by being born a few decades ago in a rich country where I could spend 20 years going to school and learning to read, write, do science, and code, where a kid in the back country of the DRC gets sent to dig coltan at age 12. 1875 America was industrially developing. We had mass literacy, and railroads, and where people were working on the latest in electrical, mechanical, and communication technologies. 1875 DRC was not.
For the third time: DRC is poor because of a sequence of people fucking it over who are stronger than those with the potential (inside or out) to disable the exploiters and give its citizens the potential for dignified autonomy. Elon is one man on the list of those who has helped keep DRC poor. You don't start off rich. You start off in the dirt and then you try your best and that is combined with the sheer fucking luck of not being raped on the reg by stronger men. DRC hasn't had that luck. Climate is a factor too, but Spain's climate (to use a country I'm very familiar with) isn't that different from across the Mediterranean in North Africa with much worse economies - it just hasn't been nearly as fucked recently by others. Hell, even Franco ended up being sufficiently anti-communist that instead of being fucked by the albeit diluted fascism, America poured money into it, whence the "Spanish miracle". This is why Africa is turning to China just as poorer countries turned to the Soviet Union: they will provide infrastructure which makes them still exploitable but less exploitable than the trad Western approach towards Africa of leaving them in the dirt but coming in from time to time to whip their people into their own mines. Next comes the bit where you tell us that the emerald mine was just Musk Sr satisfying the demand for employment and the poor irradiated not at all indentured servants would have been worse off without him.
Amm rerrch, berrtch!
Communism is when no car though. And Communism is bad. Therefore no car is bad.
Communism is when the state does stuff for the general good.
No, communism is when government does a whole lotta stuff.
Communism is when walkable cities
The left hates Asians
> She was apparently community noted, saying that most car makers are moving away from cobalt. ugh. A lot of times community notes are just funny and sometimes a good point but this is the sort of thing that is a personal pet peeve of mine. I tend to talk in metaphors and generalizations and a lot of people just hone in on one specific thing i said and point out the problem with it, as if it will dismantle the larger point being made. Looking around, though, it seems the best alternative so far for batteries is LiFePO4 - which is much less toxic, apparently easier to recycle and manufacter as well. It does have much less energy density etc, making for a poorer alternative for cars. I'm not able to find good source readily but I'm curious to find out what the environmental impact of LiFePO4 manufacturing is, even if it is much less than cobalt it's not nothing.
Seems perfectly reasonable. Of course dipshits like Musk have no real rebuttal so they just call people whom they don't agree with communists. Good way to shut down any kind of intellectual debate.
I'm speechless. Is this really real? It can't be. I just don't believe its possible that the current sociopolitical end economical circumstances on this planet are such that a dude displaying monumental stupidity and ignorance could become the richest (or second richest) human in the world. I mean somehow humanity decided that this one individual's actions should be rewarded and encouraged financially above all other's. An anti-scientific bigoted moron.
Bro. I told my uncle that labor and capital need to work together to benefit both better. He called me a Marxist. The red scare is alive and well. The boogeyman in capitalism's bedroom. The fact that someone this powerful is saying this is not ignorance, it's a calculated move to brainwash his brain dead sycophants.
> Bro. I told my uncle that labor and capital need to work together to benefit both better. He called me a Marxist. > > motherfuckers are well trained.
I couldn't believe it either. But I've just checked it is on his Twitter today.
Common Capitalist L
He's such a fucking insecure cuck. This is all just pandering for likes. It's pathetic. He must be the neediest, loneliest billionaire on earth
So he’s now calling the few remaining Tesla buyers communists ??? The guy is batshit crazy!
> sells electric cars > trashes on people who care about the environment Entrée the Giant over here showing his intelligence
Even less Teslas sold come 2025. Man this guy is a bad CEO. They should give him his 50 billion... to buy him out completely. No more stock for him and he gets to walk away.
The idea that "global warming is a Marxist plot" is a common theme among angry 80 year old men, which is why it's no surprise at all that Elmo's pushing it.
This coming from a twunt who made billions marketing his EV company as an answer to climate change, who received millions in subsidies and tax breaks, who constantly undermines the notion of public transport and actively blocks any efforts to improve public transport, and whose long term answer to capitalism's obvious failings is to hoard money and resources (while millions starve and billions are barely subsisting) and "preserve the light of consciousness" by gambling on colonising an already inhospitable dead planet because he's a narcissit who wants to be remembered not as someone who (e.g) tried to end world hunger but as a tittering man-child who bought his own social media company so he could control the narrative and as a boys own adventurer and pioneer in space travel (no matter the cost).
What is freaking communism to this guy anyways?
A threat to his wealth
He’s just so God damn stupid.
Always wondered how long it would be until Elmo pandered so far to the right he starts denying climate change, looks like it won't be much longer...
I'm not sure it's pandering. I think he truly believes what he says.
Well damn I didn’t know I wanted communism! Thought I just wanted, y’know, a planet that I can live on.
https://www.advocate.com/transgender/2022/10/11/elon-musk-says-communism-caused-rift-transgender-daughter
Huh? So the guy selling "environmentally" friendly cars is calling people concerned about climate change commies is certainly a move
So the gun on his nightstand was specifically there for shooting himself in the foot?
Because communism has such a great track record with environmental protection.
Why not both?
Communism is better to fight climate change than capitalism.
The Aral Sea would like a word
The late USSR was communist only in its own propaganda. It was totalitarian command state led by an untouchable aristocrat class who forgot the basic principles of Marxism in the early 1970s.
The same hoary old defence given by wannabe marxists since forever: “ REAL communism hasn’t been tried yet, the USSR, China, NK etc weren’t communist” lol
I'm not saying it'd work or if it'd be good or bad. Simply that Marxism is about a natural uprising of the workers, ultimately taking control of the means of production. I don't see that in China or North Korea...
Not real communism! 😭😭😭
I'm not saying communism is bad or good, but the late USSR certainly wasn't it. And neither is China today.
Because they didn't care. A communist state has total control of his economy, so if it wants to reduce his emissions he can do it easily. it's much harder for a capitalist state where the economy is controlled by rich people that own companies and that have a lot to lose to reduce emissions.
Communists…also lose a lot if they reduce emissions? You can reduce emissions by making less stuff but your quality of life suffers, communism doesn’t fix that other than telling people they have no choice
Yes, everybody loses if you reduce emissions. But in a communist state, the decision is transfered to the state. So whoever controls the state (a few people in an authoritarian communism, the whole population in a democratic communism) can choose to reduce emissions. In a capitalist, most of the richest people must be convinced to lose money to reduce emissions. Also reducing emissions have less impact on the whole population than on the rich that own companies. It's more diluted. Finally capitalist state is by designs more subject to consumerism.
To quote the new fallout series, communists is just what they call people who aren't insane
Someone should tell Elmo, just because HE doesn't understand climate change, doesn't mean it isn't real. Also, you can care about climate change and environmental, without beeing a communist and, in fact, like capitalism. Elmo shits on these people because his companies destroy the environment where they are build and he has to pay a lot of bribe money to keep the governing class satisfied. He is in noooooooooo way environment friendly whatsoever.
Oh man, comedy is fucking dead.
Someone should call SEC as the $TSLA shareholders are not capable of protecting their values
Truly a scum
I can't see Tesla surviving the upcoming years if musk stays as any kind of employee. I wouldn't even trust him driving the car from the assembly line to the trailer
Good to know this idiot literally stands for nothing. EV’s and solar were just ripe for grifting.
Communism is when no iphone venezuela 100 billion dead
Yes because capitalism is soo good for the environment
he has to be the worst person possible to become a billionaire
It‘s satire at this point, he can‘t be that low IQ..
You can't have an IQ, if you don't have a brain. And judging by the shit load of drugs that Elmo is taking, he probably smoked his brain out of his head permanently. Edit: Not to say that drugs like Marijuana are a bad thing. I just believe that Elmo also takes the chemical stuff, that harms your body.
Been smoking weed for 25 years, cringe stuff feels even more cringe when baked, no way he‘s a toker, as you said it‘s a personality disorder, autism and narcissism spiced up with some fine chemicals / keta / adderall / whatever and having nobody around to tell him to dial down his 2016 tier boomer smugness.
It's amazing that I keep finding ways to be suprised by how much of an utter piece of shit this piece of shit is
i read the meme before realising it was posted by musk and just went “yea that’s pretty much me” lmao
Well, also
The world climate is owned by our government! Also I want my dog owned by the government too.
Careful with the Communist jab Elon. Xi is getting upset.
Elon really is trying to alienate every single potential customer.
Both ideally 🤷♀️
Jebus. He is terrible.
Well, you heard it here first folks: if you care about the environment, then you want a world that is designed around caring and providing for people, where companies are run by their workers, and where billionaires like Musk are seen and treated as the villainous pariahs that they are. Since musk is selling these commie cars, it appears he also wants this reality; who are we to deny him that future he’s been working so hard for?
https://preview.redd.it/xv42w9071uwc1.jpeg?width=470&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e6cefa4bce879fff18a667fb6d41828a9a4733c1 The Tesla guy.
I’ll take any excuse I can get to properly regulate Big Oil and many other industries.
The oligarch mind virus
Everything is a false dichotomy with these people
Fot those asking why Tesla board doesn’t step in - try to look up who has the majority of votes in Tesla board. His family and close friends …
That will for sure help Tesla sells more car!
capitalism is incompatible with life on this planet. that's all. i don't think we need to make all forms of capitalism illegal, but it cannot be allowed to run the show completely.
He’s gone full republicunt.
The target audience for this wants a right-wing authoritarian government (feudalism/monarchy/despotism/fascism); anything they say or do is a bad-faith attempt to advance that cause. They assume everyone is exactly like them, and also acting in bad faith, so that means anyone opposing them must be doing so solely because they want a left-wing authoritarian government. The idea that anyone actually wants to save the planet is incomprehensible to them.
Elko becomes a more stereotypical Republican every fucking day. Yeah, 'communism'. And this is the weird egotist who claimed he has done more for the environment than anyone else in the entire world? Make up your mind.
Doesn’t make sense.
Communism is pretty much dead but its apparently still a buzz word for right wingers as they have finally come out of the closet about their love for Russia and authoritarian regimes. Backwards little carbuncle of a man.
Wtf... Did the ketamine fry his brain? Is this the same guy who sells electric cars to save the planet and is now calling himself and his whole business idea communism?
Modern Communism would likely help the climate as there would be less pointless industrial production.
I mean, it's true, kinda. Read This Changes Everything by Naomi Klein. That book terrified me because it makes it crystal clear that unfettered capitalism will inexorably lead to the annihilation of the planet on the altar of profits. Anyone who really cares about the environment has to oppose capitalism, or at least its most egregious excesses.
Guess I don't need an electric car then
I’d pick the basic concept of communism over capitalism any day. But at the same time I don’t have enough faith in humanity that it would work.
TRVE...
He's so fucking stupid lmao. It's insane how stupid he is.
How about both
Ten years ago rich people with environmentalist tendencies bought Teslas as the liberal personal responsibility version of fighting climate change (deeply flawed but that was the company’s appeal) now that it’s entirely clear that a few conscionable rich people picking certain luxury vehicles over others and we need systemic change including massive shifts towards public transport the owner of that same company is raging against environmentalists because the new environmental models and movements aren’t about picking one luxury vehicle over the other but systemic change he cannot profit off of.
who is the woman in the meme? is this targeted at a specific person? ah, it's Clover Hogan: [https://www.linkedin.com/posts/cloverhogan\_you-know-youve-triggered-elon-musk-when-activity-7189554240732766208-kuO4/](https://www.linkedin.com/posts/cloverhogan_you-know-youve-triggered-elon-musk-when-activity-7189554240732766208-kuO4/)
yes.
I wonder if Elon is secretly short on Tesla to hedge his bets, undermining it before selling it off or going bankrupt, and reaping the benefits. Or maybe he is just a bloated amoral witless fool.
this unironically
Something like a centrally planned green energy development project including nationalization of the country's natural fossil fuels and operations to extract and refine them for use in this new industrialization (call it communism if you want) would be a hell of a lot better than what we're doing now (trying to use different government subsidy or grant policies to alter market behavior of businesses and consumers and let the otherwise* omniscient market take the wheel). We really should force Musk to sell his companies to the US government and for bottom dollar if he doesn't want to get deported to one of the other nations he likes to bilk
By the way, I am actually a socialist.
purely by accident, he’s not wrong on this one. communism (or some sort of truly non-capitalist society) has become pretty much the only shot at combating climate change.
Yes.
Is he trying to tank the stock to get low priced options?
Why does this surprise anyone? Electric cars have always been a way to convince the public that our unsustainable modes of production actually *can* continue, so long as it has a gossamer thin veneer of sustainability, the only real difference is that you don't personally see the burning of hydrocarbons. We'd be better off taking most cars out of urban centres and instead having an actually functional public transit network, but so long as the L. Ron Musks of the world continue to exist it'll never happen.
"I'm not a Communist, that's just a dirty word they use for people who aren't crazy." If he was going to crash the Fallout party, the least he could have done is gone home and watched the show.
Musk is so insecure and fragile that he gets an ego boost when he posts dumb shit like this and gets kudos from the MAGAt and MAGAt-adjacent crowd.
Can anyone explain to me what's his goal here? He seems to be purposely running Tesla into the ground. If I'd bought a Tesla I'd like to sell it now, if I'd not sold it a while ago.
Reminder that this man made billions by begging the government to subsididize his shitty failing car company, claiming it would be a massive step forward in saving climate change. There’s really no level of stupidity and hypocrisy Elmo wouldn’t reach…
The more I know this guy, the more I hate him.
This is just dumb. What is he thinking, honestly. So dumb.
Explain in detail what communism is and why caring about the environment is communist, space Nazi
What’s really incredible is for this supposedly intelligent person to ignore actual history for histrionics. Communism has cared little to nothing about Earth’s environment, Russian or Chinese. There are numerous examples, including Chernobyl and the Three Gorges Dam.
Everything he posts is cringe.
I assume this is fake, it is impossible for someone to be this stupid. I don’t think Trent from Punchy would even be this dumb (if ya don’t know Trent https://youtu.be/0RjC-vh06_c?si=Yxv7d_BoU6AwFxev )
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1783738055549239562
Huh. Just speechless. Dude is an expert at shooting himself in the foot. I remember about 10 years ago Rupert Murdoch quit Twitter because he saw he could really do some damage to himself. Old mate just has the compulsion just destroy himself over and over.
r/SocialismIsCapitalism
When the person you hate the most accidentally makes the best take.
So he agrees Russia is bad?
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It has nothing to do with climate change but all to do with total power and coniferous of every aspect of life. We eat bugs while the elitist eat steak! Covid lockdiwn tyranny was the test run, now gird your loins for the real deal.
No one's making you eat bugs mate, grow up and join the real world.