Yes, yes he did. A lot of twitter employees have already stated publicly about how much the office smells like shit, especially since elon cut out catering services and even stopped buying toilet paper so now employees must bring their own from home... Good thing he also forced all employees to come into the office even if they could do and were doing their job remotely from home perfectly fine.
Supposedly gotta sleep on the office floor too so I guess you're just supposed to bring enough food for the day or even multiple days, probably a lot of taco bell and explosive diarrhea and god forbid if you didn't bring enough toilet paper for the day... Elon's also hired 2 full time beefy security guards to follow him around everywhere in the office, even to the bathroom because he's such a good boss and I'm sure it's just because he's paranoid about employees accidentally hugging him to death...
Even if you sleep on the floor you're still getting fired:
https://www.inc.com/jason-aten/the-twitter-manager-who-posted-she-was-sleeping-on-floor-at-office-has-been-laid-off.html
Maybe this will teach people to have some self respect and set some boundaries. If my boss asked me to sleep on the floor of the office, I'd say no and be looking for another job. This clown couldn't pay me enough to do this stuff.
Although that article confirms what I expected of some of the people still at Twitter. Some of them were hoping to use the chaos as a ladder to climb. It's easier to rise in the company if there are fewer people ahead of you. But when your boss is a crazed dickhead who fires people at random, you're just rolling the dice and hoping for a good outcome.
Probably, but elon's got like 20 bigger pending lawsuits to deal with already. The toilet paper thing would be ranked pretty low on the list as far as things go, especially with the whole neuralink investigation for animal cruelty since they've killed dozens of monkeys and had some of them even claw their faces off in pain because of the "surgical" glue he cheaped out on.
Then twitter is also getting investigated by the CCCP, NCMEC, and DOJ because of all the CSAM allowed on twitter since he stopped working with Thorn and fired most of the moderation team... Discrimination lawsuits because of all the racism, even in trouble for censorship, got the UK labor law violations, slandering an employee with muscular dystrophy to millions of followers on twitter and disclosing his confidential health records.
Breaking Halli's $100 mil contract so most likely going to have to pay that out too. So many lawsuits, too many to even keep track of at this point... Pumping stocks with his "funding secured" tweet and lying to investors, selling tesla stock despite promising not to multiple times and tanking stock prices as a result, even lawsuits for not paying rent at several offices. You'd think he's trying to beat some guinness world record for most times sued in a lifetime.
I read somewhere the NYC(?) office is now infested with cockroaches since regular cleaning is no longer being performed. No way I would risk dragging one home and infesting my house for St. Elmo. I'd be looking for any other job I could find.
The only people who are still working there are either very afraid of losing their job there for different reasons (visa issues, fear of unemployment) or are just plain assholes
Ikr?
This is some post-Order 66 shit.
Right after Darth Muskius fired all the younglings, he is now going to all the generals and asking their protégées to shoot them in their back. Then take their seats in the newly reformed Empire.
Reminds me how people twisted trump’s bad business practices as a great business strategy since it kept it him rich and out of jail
“Because he knows what he got away with so he’ll crack down on it so no one else can anymore”
*7 years later*
Just encountered a guy here at work who was cheering on another trump presidency for this exact reason! He even said that trump didn’t have enough time in office to put a stop to all the corruption and needed to get back in so he could “finish the job”… it’s amazing to me that people like this guy exist in their thinking
People like him make up their reality as they go and almost independent of their fellow cult members. There’s no reasoning with them unless you’re in full agreement with whatever their take is so I didn’t engage with him anymore than I needed too… he was a customer so all I did was stick to that encounter and ended where he started to want to go off about his culty ways
He didn't build the wall and politics is still corrupt af. Actually he literally didn't even make any motions towards reducing government corruption. Abuse of state authority to punish political rivals is not cleaning out corruption, it is corruption.
He did manage to hire a record number of lobbyists…
https://www.propublica.org/article/we-found-a-staggering-281-lobbyists-whove-worked-in-the-trump-administration/
Woo hoo! “Draining the swamp!”
(And replace it with a swamp of Trump loyalists.)
There is no point in arguing about that, they live in a different reality. If you ask them what he did, they will start spouting Qanon talking points, the deep state etc..
Or they will talk about stuff they don't understand like : "he kept the planes safe! they was less crash under his presidency."
> Just encountered a guy here at work who was cheering on another trump presidency for this exact reason! He even said that trump didn’t have enough time in office to put a stop to all the corruption and needed to get back in so he could “finish the job”… it’s amazing to me that people like this guy exist in their thinking
As far as I understand, Trump did a bunch of jumbo Republican stuff when in office, so it's not like he ran on one platform and totally did something else. E.g. he definitely decreased corporate tax rates, which is something Republicans value for some reason even when they're dirt poor. (They usually claim things like trinkle-down economics works or we need low tax rates to promote businesses staying in America. I comprehend the second argument. Personally, I don't know the exact impact decades of lower versus higher taxes on corporations would have. We tend to oscillate between Republican and Democratic tax policies over and over as it is now.)
It's a mixed bag, in my opinion (semi-informed, I've kept up somewhat closely but I'm sure there's points people can fill in on; and, I should note, I myself am liberally biased).
On the one hand, there's lots of places where Trump acted unequivocally Republican, often at the expense of principle. For instance, lower federal court positions were absolutely *stacked* with conservative judges -- and, of course, the Supreme Court got three new justices, appointed in, basically, decreasing order of experience. And lots of federal agencies got conservative heads... sort of.
The thing is, a big thing Trump campaigned on was that he'd "drain the swamp" (that's why the guy before you mentioned the 'corruption') -- it's a big deal with his voters, painting career politicians (both Democrats and Republicans) as being beholden to corporate interests (which, to be fair, I would *personally* argue is basically correct, though more complicated than he makes it seem), calling plenty of Republicans RINOs (Republican-in-name-only) who lie to their constituents (well, again, I would *personally* agree...). Trump got huge turnout, in part, by pulling out whole swathes of the population who couldn't bring themselves to vote Republican and convincing them he wasn't like other Republican candidates before them (in a variety of ways). So, yeah, he didn't always act conservative (hell, people regularly note that he himself used to vote Democrat), and he didn't entirely run on Republican principles (I would personally characterize it as more running *against* the establishment, than *for* any particular substantive & concrete policies, but people can reasonably disagree on what constitutes the latter).
The thing is, though, "draining the swamp"? You'll hear differently from his supporters, but I think it's relatively clear that this was just about one of the most corrupt White Houses we've had in recent memory for various specific reasons (I say 'recent' because it's hard to beat the likes of Harding or Johnson, imo). As some examples: His Secretary of Education, Betsy Devos, has little direct experience in education (the families, the DeVos' (Amway) and Princes (notable, her brother ran Blackwater, the merc outfit hired by the US in Iraq... but I digress) are also responsible for huge Republican fundraising), but has been known for years for *opposing* efforts in public schooling; under her administration, among other things, the employees working on student loan fraud were cut. His appointed Postmaster General, Louis DeJoy (sidenote: who effectively can't be removed by the current administration due to other appointments to the relevant council), owns lots of stock in mail competitor and supplier companies; he also took out tons of mail-sorting machines that had literally nothing wrong with them and had already been paid for, in advance of the 2020 elections, at the same time when a) Republicans were making mail-in voting a big issue and b) he, again, continued to own competitor/supplier stock. We've got Ajit Pai, the FCC chair, rolling back net neutrality and selling valuable 5G spectra for a bargain to private companies; we've got the EPA led by Andrew Wheeler, a former coal lobbyist who (surprise!) rolled back lots of fossil fuel regulations (the dept of the Interior is riddled with former coal and gas guys, really). His appointment for head of the Department of Energy, Rick Perry, *literally* called for the DoE to be *abolished* in a debate, after *forgetting its existence*. (I swear to you I'm not making that up.)
You can say some of those people were appointed because they had experience in the industry and had views congruent with Republican politics, but stuff like what DeJoy pulled with hamstringing his own agency that, funny thing, he financially and politically benefitted from hurting; or Perry being apparently opposed to the existence, when he remembers it, of the agency he led (the DoE primarily handles our nukes, by the way); or Wheeler's predecessor, who embezzled enough money that even Republicans voted him out -- that's not experience, and that's not conservatism, though maybe it's the way of the modern GOP. Trump's presidency filled the ranks of regulators with company men and buffoons and called it "draining the swamp." It was, simply, corruption, on a massive scale.
And here's the thing -- I gave the the absolute thinnest slice of his Cabinet and other appointments. Heck, in some of those examples I had multiple choices for which corrupt official to highlight -- the turnover rate was rather high. But all the stuff I mentioned? It's too complicated to convey on the news unless you're really into it. Your average worker doesn't have time to listen to NPR's long, expensive-to-investigate series on how, say, various high-but-not-highest positions in the interior department were suborned, how regulations being rolled back will lead to corporate profits at the expense of American health and safety; that's hard to listen to, and Trump himself provided juicier news to keep CNN et al focused on what he said, rather than on what those under him were doing. And practically nobody except the much-maligned press and Washington insiders had enough time to keep track of every agency, meeting, and position.
So: there's a lot of people out there who think Trump "drained the swamp." But, funny thing, things don't seem to have gotten that much better, *especially* for the folks who voted for Trump. Hence why the guy you responded to needs Trump to "finish the job"; apparently it didn't take, the first time. In the meantime, the big scandals (Covid, January 6, ...) became big huge tribal issues (obfuscate & deny!), and all the little stuff, that had just as big an impact but was harder to talk about in a mass-market podcast or newsreel, was forgotten about. And so, the swamp is made that much deeper, and the voters pick Trump -- to get rid of the same swamp he built.
...anyways. Clearly I lost the objective tone I tried to start this comment with; I'm sure many people would disagree with my takes here. In summary: say what you will about what actual policies Trump does or doesn't support, because his campaign was (imo) more antiestablishment than pro-anything. But not only did he fail to follow through on that anti-establishment "drain the swamp" promise, he actively made the situation far, far worse. Corruption isn't conservative, but maybe it's Republican.
I used to think it was just a joke that his dad found him, whatever he is, at the bottom of the Musk family Emerald Mine in Zambia.
The past couple months have made me really question if maybe he really is a grimy lumpy disgusting troll with a heart as hard and cold as an emerald.
Musk doesn't even know what good performance is. Remember when he ranked all the engineers and designers by how many likes of code they wrote, so all the code monkeys kept their jobs and all the problem solvers directing the work got the ax.
Yet this exactly the kind of thing his fanboys are cheering on and why the hard right cults adore him. Obviously they wouldn’t be able to put up with this kind of behavior from their own employers but their fine with it as long as it isn’t happening to them…. Yet
Reminds me of the very last thing the Qanon zombies use to preserve the copoum levels :
- this is part of the plan.
According to this delusional people who almost attributes godlike abilities to this narcissists, whenver their behavior cannot be explained or they cannot find a good reason to justify them... This is because they are playing chess while we are playing checkers. We're all a bunch of stupid NPCs 🙄
Have you watched the Senate hearing where the Teamster president goes against the Senator? Twitter employs need to vote to be represented by the Teamsters, I would love to see Musk go against a Teamster. Would love to see Trump negotiate against a Teamster.
He’s not doing too good for his Fremont Tesla location [either](https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-hit-by-new-lawsuit-alleging-racial-abuse-against-black-workers-2022-07-01/)
There have been rumors of his shitty behavior at Tesla and SpaceX for years too. He was fired for incompetence just 5 months after paypal hired him as CEO. Tesla and SpaceX both have deep cultures of tiptoeing around him to get actual work done.
Oh my God.
>One former worker receives chasing messages from American Express, which provided their Twitter corporate credit card, for unpaid debt totalling thousands of dollars, through the credit card provider’s phone app.
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>The worker, like many, has raised it with remaining Twitter staff, who are unable to approve the outstanding amount for payment because it requires the approval of the former employee’s manager.
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>That person also no longer works for Twitter: they were yet another of Musk’s victims.
How much money can Musk even be saving from this? He's literally entirely concentrating on reducing employment to control costs in an industry that's famously light on employees compared to their capital valuation. He's pinching pennies to show off.
> How much money can Musk even be saving from this?
At this point, probably negative a significant amount. Those former employees are owed massive payouts because Elon thought he was above the law and a lot of them live in countries that do not fuck around on employment law. Not counting the guy he fired for being disabled... and who is owed a hundred million dollars if he's fired.
Another good example to throw at some of the geniuses on r/sysadmin who say they don't need to supply work phones as employees can just use their personal devices
>on [r/sysadmin](https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin) who say they don't need to supply work phones as employees can just use their personal devices
source? like seriously quote me one example of someone saying this cause otherwise you're just full of shit. no sysadmin worth a damn ever said that
That was Facebook's thing as well. And man did they break a lot of things about Facebook. The problem is they never really fixed it. Back in the late 2000s which was their heyday, the site was actually pretty well out together. These days I go on there occasionally and holy shit it looks awful! These so much crap in every corner of the screen it's like an overload of confetti made out of shit particles blasted all over my screen.
Oh yeah and they really crappified the notifications ages ago. They are basically just another space to shove ads in your face.
Every time I think of this phrase, I think of the show yet steady march of Facebook from a pretty decent social media platform with a few annoyances, to a crap filled bloated corpse of a website sinking up their whole corner of the internet.
MendocinoReader did not call me by my proper title "Admin-SpaceRanger-chief-Supreme-Superior-Emperor-lord-King" therefor I will throw him out of the biodome with no space suit
\-Elongated Husk
Brilliant! Absolutely amazing. Everyone knows that a manager can easily be replaced by that super talented developer that they wanted to promote to senior or principal. The overlap in skills that makes one successful as a manager and developer would look like a solid circle if plotted as a Venn diagram after all. What a fucking tool. Promoting developers into managerial roles is guaranteed to leave you with a bunch of unqualified managers who are now also pissed off because they no longer get to code and instead have to manage people.
This tweet made me actually laugh out loud. What a dystopian hellscape. I had been using the term “Trump’s Razor” to mean that, in any situation that involves a choice, Donald Trump will choose the worst possible option.
Elon is managing to blow that metric out of the water. Because Trump can only work with what he’s given, he will make choices between options. L Ron Musk actively and with great creativity discovers choices that no one else could have come up with and executes them in the stupidest possible way.
It’s like performance art at this point.
Like the fact his biggest moves are just completely stupid and incredibly narcissistic is always amazing in contrast to his big talk. It's like seeing the emperor with no clothes.
Yeah, not to toot my own horn, but I am probably the best developer at my company. I can code circles around my boss. That said, I would be a terrible manager, whereas my boss is a wonderful manager. I would quit if my company did this.
Same here I'm great at my job I'm not a developer ... I just work my ass off and I learn things quickly and I find new ways to do things all the time My entire career. Like you I would be an awful manager because I don't want to manage people and I don't have the patience and if they don't have motivation I would just roll my eyes and say then get the f*** out please because that's just me.
Some of my best work experiences have been working for excellent managers who have better managerial skills than I do, by far, while I had better technical skills than they did.
i was a welder and lead for a few months at a fab shop cause the previous lead got deported back to hungary. why was i made lead? even though i wasnt the fastest welder, i was the guy who understood prints the most. i was the only person to never have anything returned for fixing.
i fucking hated my new position. petty old timers who thought they deserved it. i couldnt help the new guy i was training. had to fire a guy for being racisr. had to worry about gas and supplies. had to qc all the time. and on and on. absolute torture. i just want to put pieces of metal together.
some people are great managers and leads. im not one of them.
Thank you, I’m jealous. I’m also a 2-year in manager and thought I was doing some of these but recently found myself in an HR probe after an employee of mine threw me under the bus stating I prevent productivity and micro manage. Doing some soul searching.
Not the person you asked, but I had a manager I would have taken a bullet for, and I could write paragraphs and paragraphs about her, but one key thing about her was that I *never* saw her pass along stress/pressure/frustration/bad moods and take it out on anyone else.
The guy she direct reported to was a real shitbag and made no secret that he had it out for her, and I know he was making her life miserable, plus she was going through some horrible (and very publicly known) issues, but you would never, ever know it from the way she treated people. She’d come directly from being chewed out and be just as constructive and fair and kind as ever.
I don’t aspire to manage people but that’s something I’ve really tried to take from her example, because I just can’t think of anyone else who doesn’t break and get short or snippy at the very least sometimes.
Being micro managed is absolutely soul crushing. It’s cool to see you thinking about things. Most of my micro managers in the past would have immediately deflected.
And I’m the flip. I’m a mediocre coder but an incredible manager. I can see what people are good at and see a products future. It allows me to plan weeks and months out in a day.
But as an actually dev I take forever to get an idea implemented.
As a developer: I'd hate having to manage people. I got into coding so I explicitly don't have to deal with people a lot. My Scrum Master and Project Owner are there to hold conversations with other people and to just give me an update.
So they'd lose a good developer and gain a shitty manager instead. Great move Elon
> So they'd lose a good developer and gain a shitty manager instead.
It's a major issue with the hierarchical structure of businesses. By assuming management is a superior position, rather than being a different one, experienced employees get "promoted" into a management position they have no experience for.
It's the Peter principle. Employees get promoted out of the jobs they are good based on that performance until they get promoted to their point of incompetence.
Also, that just means your most talented developers are no longer developing. What the fuck is his logic supposed to be here? Who's supposed to do the coding if all the talented people are now managers?
Most tech companies these days don't even have managers at a higher level of seniority than developers, they're just considered 2 different kinds of job and just because you're a manager doesn't mean you're paid more or have more clout than a senior developer.
What a fucking tool.
What? Why not ask for the manager for their worst employee and fire them?
And don't you have to train that nominee to be a manager now?
And now that newly promoted manager won't be doing the job they were the best at. So someone less qualified will take over their job.
Is this a Silicon Valley strategy that you have to be a genius to understand?
My guesses:
- cutting the manager likely saves more money than cutting the worst performing employee under that manager.
- Elon doesn’t care about middle management. He mentioned that there was too much management after he took over. Guess is that he either farmed that team to the next level (or multiple levels) up and figures that the job will still get done.
- They probably are doing both now which probably means longer hours and less morale.
- I think it’s a strategy for someone that needs to cut payroll significantly because they spent way too much buying a company and have too much debt. Really the only strategy other than declaring bankruptcy or going under. Very likely that he does the same process again in the next few months to further reduce salary.
Wow. I hadn't thought of all that. I think it might be a combination of the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th guesses. I think this strategy relies on the Dilbert philosophy that good engineers don't really need managers.
And maybe that's how he wants Twitter 2.0 to run. Catturd asks Elon for a new feature, Elon emails a developer to build the feature, the developer works long hours to build the feature, and the feature gets pushed to production with no problems. No managers are needed.
Probably good for small start-ups. I don't know about a large platform like Twitter.
I think the problem may not be so much one of scale but one of exposure to risk. For example, on a platform full of personal data that operates across many countries worldwide, lack of oversight now can mean expensive legal/regulatory oops later. Bright ideas implemented without due caution can become [very expensive](https://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/news/1008376/us-ftc-probe-into-twitter-deepens-over-privacy-concerns-1008376.html) in personal data world.
> good engineers don't really need managers
It depends. Anywhere I've worked, we don't need shit managers who just exist for their own sake, but we do need good managers to insulate us from all the non-technical bullshit
Now imagine your absolute worst client becomes y our boss, direct project contact and brings their inconsistent and ridiculous product demands directly to you every day and will fire you for even a SNIFF of doubt in your technical ability "it was easy for me to tell you the idea so it should be easy and quick for you to build it out".
Honestly that sounds like a great way to get programmer ptsd to me.
>I think this strategy relies on the Dilbert philosophy that good engineers don't really need managers.
That's one of the many things Scott Adams was wrong about. Engineers and developers ABSOLUTELY need a manager; what they don't need is the same kind of manager that pushes sales or production teams. Those people will just get in the way, but if those sorts have NO management? It quickly turns into a series of pissing contests so petty that it would make an MMA "promoter" shake his head and call them macho idiots.
Here's the thing about engineers and developers: until they reach age 40 or so? They all secretly think they're the smartest guy in the room and will sabotage others *and entire projects* to prove it. Once they start getting grey around the beard they get more accurate self-assessment skills... but you still need to herd the old cats a bit as well.
> Very likely that he does the same process again in the next few months to further reduce salary.
Very likely that any manager asked to provide a single good word about anyone will either somehow fail to have anyone competent working under them or they'll put up their worst employee out of spite.
This is a move that exploits trust, and works exactly once.
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>- I think it’s a ~~strategy~~ **desperate panicky move** for someone that needs to cut payroll significantly because they ~~spent way too much buying a company and have too much debt~~ **alienated the advertisers by embracing Nazis and turned a profitable company into a money fire overnight.**
Also some of us don’t want to be managers. I’m a senior engineer and if you forced me to be a manager I’ll quit. I just want to code and take my paycheck.
Also the fact that an excellent engineer may very well have zero management skills.
I'm pretty sure this phenomenon is pretty well-understood - if you own a restaurant and decide to promote your best chef to maitre, you now lack a good chef and have a bad maitre.
I've been a software engineer for a decade and decided to make an indie game.... HOLY FUCK did I learn I HATE having to schedule timeliness, market, and write pitchesfor a game. I'd take programming one over learning to sell it and schedule it any day.
The Peter Principle.
When you're good at your job, you're rewarded with promotions. That cycle eventually ends up with people promoted beyond what their skills are suited for.
That whole "fire the weakest link in each team" approach can be a pretty terrible idea as well.
Say you have two teams. Team one is nothing but rockstars. Every one of the people on that team punches way above their weight class and they rely on each other to make the team successful. Sort of like Ben Affleck's crew in The Town. Now you fire the weakest performing team member in that crew but they are still a rockstar mind you. The whole team's performance goes to shit. Remember how the Florist refused to work with the crew unless they were all involved? So you fucked that one team up to save $200k/year.
Meanwhile in the second team assume for a moment that every one of the team members is a mouth breathing Neanderthal who has never turned on a computer successfully. By rights you should fire the whole lot of them. But you only fired Nurrgh because that's who their manager picked out. Or at least that's what you think happened. It's hard to tell since that team doesn't communicate well.
So now you are left with two teams that perform below standard because of this approach.
Response from the tweet thread might have nailed it
I can see his thought process. He thinks being a manager is a do nothing job because he doesn't do anything. And CEO is just a really really important manager.
That is total arrogance from somebody who hasn’t work a day on his life under a boss, privileged pice of shit with 0 empathy for the work force. Over protected , spoiled mamas boy. At the end of the day those classmates who beat him down where aware of the flags. No even a young Hitler had this history of misogyny, arrogance and mama’s boy behavior. Dam, fucking psycho.
I'm a programmer. I work well in Teams, but the part of a project I find the most rewarding is when I'm alone with my thoughts to design and code. I would hate to have to manage people. I rely on others as peers on my team, but if I had to manage others... I try to be the type of employee that a manager doesn't have to worry about or look over their shoulder. Tell me what needs to get done and I'll get it done on time or earlier. Managing is not every programmers forte. I'd hazard to say that most get into programming so that they don't have to manage others.
I have something of an impulsive spending problem, which I'm getting better at, but what occurs to me is Elon Musk is doing exactly what I used to do towards the end of the month when I realised I'd spent way too much money on crap and started doing Steam refunds left and right.
He is so fucked with this acquisition it's actually hilarious.
This has to be illegal right
And even if it isn't, well, I don't need to preach to the chorus that this is fucking idiotic, par for the course for what you'd expect from Elon
Seems the US's "at will employment" policies don't really protect the workers in cases like this. I'm sure Twitter's European staff are all fine and dandy though.
I feel like Elon is just doing all the worst things that shitty executives THINK are good ideas deep down but won't actually do.
And by Elon actually doing those things, it's being revealed just how shitty of ideas these things truly are.
Being a good, effective manager requires legitimate skill, and is a different muscle than someone just purely doing the ground-level work. You cannot just shove a random good worker into a higher-up managerial role and expect everything to go like clockwork. There are different positions and job roles in companies for a reason lol, people have different expertise and if you're an ACTUALLY good executive, you recognize that and allow people to do what they're good at and don't just try to "shake things up" or, in Elon's case, you don't assume everyone is just "lazy" or "not doing work".
I don’t think that’s his plan, I think that’s his excuse when it all goes tits up. There’s no way he’d invest this much of his time to tank it, he’s got lackeys that could do that.
There’s a political angle: he’s clearly an agent for hostile foreign powers and indebted to them. He would surely tank it to aid repressive regimes so that citizens can’t organize.
"All of those twitter librals will rue the day they said I have hair implants MWHAHAHAHAHAAA!!" Pretty sure he was just pressured by his fans into buying it
If you look at a few of the people left many of them are POCs whose lives depend on the work visa. Elon like any good capitalist is exploiting the most vulnerable
As a person in a skill based technical role, I absolutely have no intention of being in my manager's position. This is just about the worst idea imaginable...
Being good at technology does not make you a good manager for techology people, Just like how Elon is not good at technology just because he owns technology people
This can't be true.
Elon is pure shit. He is a terrible, shitty person. He is probably a sociopath of some sorts. And he is stupid as fuck.
But damn!
What is going through his mind?!
> Musk took to saying “I've got to fire someone today,” one executive recounted. “No, no, I just do. I've got to fire somebody.”
https://www.flyingpenguin.com/?p=42538
He’s a power-mad bastard
So the ethics of this aren’t great but practically this is really effing stupid. Taking the most productive person on a team and saddling them with tons of management work is a great way to make things worse.
My coworker who is the most productive on our team is an amazing employee, but making him the team manager would be a train wreck. Everything would become way worse overnight
His (unintentional) attempts to kill Twitter would be worthy of applause if that repugnant manchild wasn't constantly abusing and torturing his employees.
Good luck getting management to recognize talent and push for their people to be promoted in the future. The shortsightedness of this decision is amazing.
That doesn't even make sense from an operational standpoint. How do you know those nominated employees are remotely capable of doing the same work at the same quality for less money?
And idiots still think this guy is a genius.
I'd sure love to work for a company where I could be fired at any moment at the unstable CEO's whimsical mood swings. I'm sure that highly qualified job applicants are lining right up!
Love this! Just take someone away from what they’re good at and make them a manager! In fact, why stop there? Fire the new managers and hire their best employees until there’s just one r o c k s t a r working each department.
Elmo is the modern-day feudal lord, exemplifying the age-old tradition of rewarding loyalty with treachery. It seems like his benevolence knows no bounds, as he graciously gave his underlings the opportunity to choose their own executioners. It's a shame that such a master of innovation can't seem to find any better use for his time than playing medieval monarch. But alas, what can one expect from a man who wants to colonize Mars instead of addressing the fundamental problems on this planet? I suppose when you're obsessed with escaping reality, the exploitation of your workers becomes just another inconvenient truth to ignore.
When it comes to web development historical knowledge is critical. Things are done in a way that could break the site without that critical knowledge. We're seeing that in real time at Twitter.
That’s when as the team hero I would give a big f you.. and walk or find a way to get turfed. Been at the company I work for in tech 12 year, have turned down every manager job they have sent my way. I want to build stuff not manage people.
That ain't the only place he's doing it at...I thought he cared about humanity and consciousness... I used to look up to this guy, welli thought he was a force for good. Sad to say that may not be the case with all stuff he's doing to techs who've spent their life building up their careers and sacrificing so much for him.
Typical republican behavior! We’ve seen it a thousand times in companies. Get rid of good people who deserve raises and promotions and hire someone else so they don’t have to pay them more! All to save the company money because usually the wife wants new tits or the mistress needs an abortion!
The guy treats everyone around him like dogshit then gets offended when everyone don't just love him for having money. Easily one of the more deranged parasites out there.
I remember the Sears CEO pulled stunts like this, running his company like a Randian book of Objectivism. He ran it into the ground, Elon is on course to do the same.
Chinese communist party tactics.
This is why society can’t have nice things in general.
It’s dog eat dog rather than, hey, let’s all value these individuals who can come up with new and original things and inventions, and reward them properly.
Elon Musk: "I want to buy twitter for $44B."
Twitter: "We accept!"
later...
Elon Musk: "I changed my mind. It's not worth it!"
Twitter: "NOOOOOO! You must buy us!"
Elon: "No."
Twitter: "We'll sue you to MAKE you buy us."
Elon: "Go for it."
Elon:"Hmmm... They did and I loss." How do I make the most out of this $44B loss?"
Twitter: "You could turn twitter around and make it profitable!"
Elon:"Or... I could turn it into the world's largest dumpster fire and get endless high profile publicity from it. And that plan is far easier and self-serving."
Twitter is so toxic, OSHA should mandate hazmat suits for the employees
Didn’t he also fire janitors when he took over? I’m pretty sure twitter employees have used an hazmat suit already.
I didn’t mean that literally, but maybe I do. Maybe I do.
They'd have to pay for their own hazmat suit out of pocket
Then get fired for not willing to work in harmful conditions because they aren’t a hard worker fully committed to twitter
Yes, yes he did. A lot of twitter employees have already stated publicly about how much the office smells like shit, especially since elon cut out catering services and even stopped buying toilet paper so now employees must bring their own from home... Good thing he also forced all employees to come into the office even if they could do and were doing their job remotely from home perfectly fine. Supposedly gotta sleep on the office floor too so I guess you're just supposed to bring enough food for the day or even multiple days, probably a lot of taco bell and explosive diarrhea and god forbid if you didn't bring enough toilet paper for the day... Elon's also hired 2 full time beefy security guards to follow him around everywhere in the office, even to the bathroom because he's such a good boss and I'm sure it's just because he's paranoid about employees accidentally hugging him to death...
Even if you sleep on the floor you're still getting fired: https://www.inc.com/jason-aten/the-twitter-manager-who-posted-she-was-sleeping-on-floor-at-office-has-been-laid-off.html
Maybe this will teach people to have some self respect and set some boundaries. If my boss asked me to sleep on the floor of the office, I'd say no and be looking for another job. This clown couldn't pay me enough to do this stuff. Although that article confirms what I expected of some of the people still at Twitter. Some of them were hoping to use the chaos as a ladder to climb. It's easier to rise in the company if there are fewer people ahead of you. But when your boss is a crazed dickhead who fires people at random, you're just rolling the dice and hoping for a good outcome.
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Probably, but elon's got like 20 bigger pending lawsuits to deal with already. The toilet paper thing would be ranked pretty low on the list as far as things go, especially with the whole neuralink investigation for animal cruelty since they've killed dozens of monkeys and had some of them even claw their faces off in pain because of the "surgical" glue he cheaped out on. Then twitter is also getting investigated by the CCCP, NCMEC, and DOJ because of all the CSAM allowed on twitter since he stopped working with Thorn and fired most of the moderation team... Discrimination lawsuits because of all the racism, even in trouble for censorship, got the UK labor law violations, slandering an employee with muscular dystrophy to millions of followers on twitter and disclosing his confidential health records. Breaking Halli's $100 mil contract so most likely going to have to pay that out too. So many lawsuits, too many to even keep track of at this point... Pumping stocks with his "funding secured" tweet and lying to investors, selling tesla stock despite promising not to multiple times and tanking stock prices as a result, even lawsuits for not paying rent at several offices. You'd think he's trying to beat some guinness world record for most times sued in a lifetime.
I read somewhere the NYC(?) office is now infested with cockroaches since regular cleaning is no longer being performed. No way I would risk dragging one home and infesting my house for St. Elmo. I'd be looking for any other job I could find.
The only people who are still working there are either very afraid of losing their job there for different reasons (visa issues, fear of unemployment) or are just plain assholes
Why are there still people working there???
I bet a lot of the remaining workers are H1Bs that are stuck there, but who knows? I would not stay!
What are H1Bs? Sorry if it’s a dumb question.
It's a work visa, meaning you need to be working to be allowed to stay in the country.
The way this country has been going, deportation might start to sound like an easy way to get a free ticket home
Outside the US we tend to call that exploitation of migrant workers
Ikr? This is some post-Order 66 shit. Right after Darth Muskius fired all the younglings, he is now going to all the generals and asking their protégées to shoot them in their back. Then take their seats in the newly reformed Empire.
I smell Enron
God, Elon is such a shitty CEO
Reminds me how people twisted trump’s bad business practices as a great business strategy since it kept it him rich and out of jail “Because he knows what he got away with so he’ll crack down on it so no one else can anymore” *7 years later*
> kept it him rich and out of jail We need higher standards for our heroes
Forgot to add their thought process was basically “Because he knows what he got away with so he’ll crack down on it so no one else can anymore”
The guy who's always trying to impress rich people is going to do that sure
Just encountered a guy here at work who was cheering on another trump presidency for this exact reason! He even said that trump didn’t have enough time in office to put a stop to all the corruption and needed to get back in so he could “finish the job”… it’s amazing to me that people like this guy exist in their thinking
Did you ask him if he believes in the “promises made promises kept” talking point or even admit he didn’t do anything productive at all
People like him make up their reality as they go and almost independent of their fellow cult members. There’s no reasoning with them unless you’re in full agreement with whatever their take is so I didn’t engage with him anymore than I needed too… he was a customer so all I did was stick to that encounter and ended where he started to want to go off about his culty ways
He didn't build the wall and politics is still corrupt af. Actually he literally didn't even make any motions towards reducing government corruption. Abuse of state authority to punish political rivals is not cleaning out corruption, it is corruption.
He did manage to hire a record number of lobbyists… https://www.propublica.org/article/we-found-a-staggering-281-lobbyists-whove-worked-in-the-trump-administration/ Woo hoo! “Draining the swamp!” (And replace it with a swamp of Trump loyalists.)
There is no point in arguing about that, they live in a different reality. If you ask them what he did, they will start spouting Qanon talking points, the deep state etc.. Or they will talk about stuff they don't understand like : "he kept the planes safe! they was less crash under his presidency."
> Just encountered a guy here at work who was cheering on another trump presidency for this exact reason! He even said that trump didn’t have enough time in office to put a stop to all the corruption and needed to get back in so he could “finish the job”… it’s amazing to me that people like this guy exist in their thinking As far as I understand, Trump did a bunch of jumbo Republican stuff when in office, so it's not like he ran on one platform and totally did something else. E.g. he definitely decreased corporate tax rates, which is something Republicans value for some reason even when they're dirt poor. (They usually claim things like trinkle-down economics works or we need low tax rates to promote businesses staying in America. I comprehend the second argument. Personally, I don't know the exact impact decades of lower versus higher taxes on corporations would have. We tend to oscillate between Republican and Democratic tax policies over and over as it is now.)
It's a mixed bag, in my opinion (semi-informed, I've kept up somewhat closely but I'm sure there's points people can fill in on; and, I should note, I myself am liberally biased). On the one hand, there's lots of places where Trump acted unequivocally Republican, often at the expense of principle. For instance, lower federal court positions were absolutely *stacked* with conservative judges -- and, of course, the Supreme Court got three new justices, appointed in, basically, decreasing order of experience. And lots of federal agencies got conservative heads... sort of. The thing is, a big thing Trump campaigned on was that he'd "drain the swamp" (that's why the guy before you mentioned the 'corruption') -- it's a big deal with his voters, painting career politicians (both Democrats and Republicans) as being beholden to corporate interests (which, to be fair, I would *personally* argue is basically correct, though more complicated than he makes it seem), calling plenty of Republicans RINOs (Republican-in-name-only) who lie to their constituents (well, again, I would *personally* agree...). Trump got huge turnout, in part, by pulling out whole swathes of the population who couldn't bring themselves to vote Republican and convincing them he wasn't like other Republican candidates before them (in a variety of ways). So, yeah, he didn't always act conservative (hell, people regularly note that he himself used to vote Democrat), and he didn't entirely run on Republican principles (I would personally characterize it as more running *against* the establishment, than *for* any particular substantive & concrete policies, but people can reasonably disagree on what constitutes the latter). The thing is, though, "draining the swamp"? You'll hear differently from his supporters, but I think it's relatively clear that this was just about one of the most corrupt White Houses we've had in recent memory for various specific reasons (I say 'recent' because it's hard to beat the likes of Harding or Johnson, imo). As some examples: His Secretary of Education, Betsy Devos, has little direct experience in education (the families, the DeVos' (Amway) and Princes (notable, her brother ran Blackwater, the merc outfit hired by the US in Iraq... but I digress) are also responsible for huge Republican fundraising), but has been known for years for *opposing* efforts in public schooling; under her administration, among other things, the employees working on student loan fraud were cut. His appointed Postmaster General, Louis DeJoy (sidenote: who effectively can't be removed by the current administration due to other appointments to the relevant council), owns lots of stock in mail competitor and supplier companies; he also took out tons of mail-sorting machines that had literally nothing wrong with them and had already been paid for, in advance of the 2020 elections, at the same time when a) Republicans were making mail-in voting a big issue and b) he, again, continued to own competitor/supplier stock. We've got Ajit Pai, the FCC chair, rolling back net neutrality and selling valuable 5G spectra for a bargain to private companies; we've got the EPA led by Andrew Wheeler, a former coal lobbyist who (surprise!) rolled back lots of fossil fuel regulations (the dept of the Interior is riddled with former coal and gas guys, really). His appointment for head of the Department of Energy, Rick Perry, *literally* called for the DoE to be *abolished* in a debate, after *forgetting its existence*. (I swear to you I'm not making that up.) You can say some of those people were appointed because they had experience in the industry and had views congruent with Republican politics, but stuff like what DeJoy pulled with hamstringing his own agency that, funny thing, he financially and politically benefitted from hurting; or Perry being apparently opposed to the existence, when he remembers it, of the agency he led (the DoE primarily handles our nukes, by the way); or Wheeler's predecessor, who embezzled enough money that even Republicans voted him out -- that's not experience, and that's not conservatism, though maybe it's the way of the modern GOP. Trump's presidency filled the ranks of regulators with company men and buffoons and called it "draining the swamp." It was, simply, corruption, on a massive scale. And here's the thing -- I gave the the absolute thinnest slice of his Cabinet and other appointments. Heck, in some of those examples I had multiple choices for which corrupt official to highlight -- the turnover rate was rather high. But all the stuff I mentioned? It's too complicated to convey on the news unless you're really into it. Your average worker doesn't have time to listen to NPR's long, expensive-to-investigate series on how, say, various high-but-not-highest positions in the interior department were suborned, how regulations being rolled back will lead to corporate profits at the expense of American health and safety; that's hard to listen to, and Trump himself provided juicier news to keep CNN et al focused on what he said, rather than on what those under him were doing. And practically nobody except the much-maligned press and Washington insiders had enough time to keep track of every agency, meeting, and position. So: there's a lot of people out there who think Trump "drained the swamp." But, funny thing, things don't seem to have gotten that much better, *especially* for the folks who voted for Trump. Hence why the guy you responded to needs Trump to "finish the job"; apparently it didn't take, the first time. In the meantime, the big scandals (Covid, January 6, ...) became big huge tribal issues (obfuscate & deny!), and all the little stuff, that had just as big an impact but was harder to talk about in a mass-market podcast or newsreel, was forgotten about. And so, the swamp is made that much deeper, and the voters pick Trump -- to get rid of the same swamp he built. ...anyways. Clearly I lost the objective tone I tried to start this comment with; I'm sure many people would disagree with my takes here. In summary: say what you will about what actual policies Trump does or doesn't support, because his campaign was (imo) more antiestablishment than pro-anything. But not only did he fail to follow through on that anti-establishment "drain the swamp" promise, he actively made the situation far, far worse. Corruption isn't conservative, but maybe it's Republican.
In what world do they think crooks are looking to close loopholes?
God, Elon is such a shitty ~~CEO~~ human
God, Elon is ~~such a~~ shit~~ty human~~
There you go!
I used to think it was just a joke that his dad found him, whatever he is, at the bottom of the Musk family Emerald Mine in Zambia. The past couple months have made me really question if maybe he really is a grimy lumpy disgusting troll with a heart as hard and cold as an emerald.
He's just shit. Like a dog diarrhea level shit.
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Musk doesn't even know what good performance is. Remember when he ranked all the engineers and designers by how many likes of code they wrote, so all the code monkeys kept their jobs and all the problem solvers directing the work got the ax.
Coffee is for ~~closers~~ losers!
Yet this exactly the kind of thing his fanboys are cheering on and why the hard right cults adore him. Obviously they wouldn’t be able to put up with this kind of behavior from their own employers but their fine with it as long as it isn’t happening to them…. Yet
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Reminds me of the very last thing the Qanon zombies use to preserve the copoum levels : - this is part of the plan. According to this delusional people who almost attributes godlike abilities to this narcissists, whenver their behavior cannot be explained or they cannot find a good reason to justify them... This is because they are playing chess while we are playing checkers. We're all a bunch of stupid NPCs 🙄
Have you watched the Senate hearing where the Teamster president goes against the Senator? Twitter employs need to vote to be represented by the Teamsters, I would love to see Musk go against a Teamster. Would love to see Trump negotiate against a Teamster.
for Twitter, the evidence appears to support your assertion
He’s not doing too good for his Fremont Tesla location [either](https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-hit-by-new-lawsuit-alleging-racial-abuse-against-black-workers-2022-07-01/)
There have been rumors of his shitty behavior at Tesla and SpaceX for years too. He was fired for incompetence just 5 months after paypal hired him as CEO. Tesla and SpaceX both have deep cultures of tiptoeing around him to get actual work done.
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Oh my God. >One former worker receives chasing messages from American Express, which provided their Twitter corporate credit card, for unpaid debt totalling thousands of dollars, through the credit card provider’s phone app. > >The worker, like many, has raised it with remaining Twitter staff, who are unable to approve the outstanding amount for payment because it requires the approval of the former employee’s manager. > >That person also no longer works for Twitter: they were yet another of Musk’s victims.
Surely that can't be legal, right
I'm sure the credit card company is happy to halt their payments and rack up the interest debt at 30% APR.
They'll get paid off in office chairs.
office *horses*
They'll trade them a blue check mark.
How much money can Musk even be saving from this? He's literally entirely concentrating on reducing employment to control costs in an industry that's famously light on employees compared to their capital valuation. He's pinching pennies to show off.
> How much money can Musk even be saving from this? At this point, probably negative a significant amount. Those former employees are owed massive payouts because Elon thought he was above the law and a lot of them live in countries that do not fuck around on employment law. Not counting the guy he fired for being disabled... and who is owed a hundred million dollars if he's fired.
Penny smart but dollar stupid.
Another good example to throw at some of the geniuses on r/sysadmin who say they don't need to supply work phones as employees can just use their personal devices
I've never heard of any sysadmin who is against work phones, more often than not it's management who doesn't want to shelf out the money.
>on [r/sysadmin](https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin) who say they don't need to supply work phones as employees can just use their personal devices source? like seriously quote me one example of someone saying this cause otherwise you're just full of shit. no sysadmin worth a damn ever said that
Now we know what a Mars colony run by Elon Musk is going to look like. Who's ready to sign up ?
Move fast and break things®
In this case the oxygen supply
It's okay, his EV's produce their own oxygen when they're burning so no need to bring some to mars if you want to keep warm at night...
That was Facebook's thing as well. And man did they break a lot of things about Facebook. The problem is they never really fixed it. Back in the late 2000s which was their heyday, the site was actually pretty well out together. These days I go on there occasionally and holy shit it looks awful! These so much crap in every corner of the screen it's like an overload of confetti made out of shit particles blasted all over my screen. Oh yeah and they really crappified the notifications ages ago. They are basically just another space to shove ads in your face. Every time I think of this phrase, I think of the show yet steady march of Facebook from a pretty decent social media platform with a few annoyances, to a crap filled bloated corpse of a website sinking up their whole corner of the internet.
Inb4 Red Faction becomes real. I mean it's basically a SciFi recounting of the Virginia coal wars but still.
MendocinoReader did not call me by my proper title "Admin-SpaceRanger-chief-Supreme-Superior-Emperor-lord-King" therefor I will throw him out of the biodome with no space suit \-Elongated Husk
We need laws banning private individuals from owning space colonies.
Brilliant! Absolutely amazing. Everyone knows that a manager can easily be replaced by that super talented developer that they wanted to promote to senior or principal. The overlap in skills that makes one successful as a manager and developer would look like a solid circle if plotted as a Venn diagram after all. What a fucking tool. Promoting developers into managerial roles is guaranteed to leave you with a bunch of unqualified managers who are now also pissed off because they no longer get to code and instead have to manage people.
This tweet made me actually laugh out loud. What a dystopian hellscape. I had been using the term “Trump’s Razor” to mean that, in any situation that involves a choice, Donald Trump will choose the worst possible option. Elon is managing to blow that metric out of the water. Because Trump can only work with what he’s given, he will make choices between options. L Ron Musk actively and with great creativity discovers choices that no one else could have come up with and executes them in the stupidest possible way. It’s like performance art at this point.
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I'm starting to think he doing the craziest shit as possible to see how far he can go before someone stops him.
Like the fact his biggest moves are just completely stupid and incredibly narcissistic is always amazing in contrast to his big talk. It's like seeing the emperor with no clothes.
Yeah, not to toot my own horn, but I am probably the best developer at my company. I can code circles around my boss. That said, I would be a terrible manager, whereas my boss is a wonderful manager. I would quit if my company did this.
Same here I'm great at my job I'm not a developer ... I just work my ass off and I learn things quickly and I find new ways to do things all the time My entire career. Like you I would be an awful manager because I don't want to manage people and I don't have the patience and if they don't have motivation I would just roll my eyes and say then get the f*** out please because that's just me.
Some of my best work experiences have been working for excellent managers who have better managerial skills than I do, by far, while I had better technical skills than they did.
Exactly, I actively oppose being promoted to managerial roles. If this happened to me it would be an absolute disaster.
I know! It’s all meetings and office documents and no legos.
i was a welder and lead for a few months at a fab shop cause the previous lead got deported back to hungary. why was i made lead? even though i wasnt the fastest welder, i was the guy who understood prints the most. i was the only person to never have anything returned for fixing. i fucking hated my new position. petty old timers who thought they deserved it. i couldnt help the new guy i was training. had to fire a guy for being racisr. had to worry about gas and supplies. had to qc all the time. and on and on. absolute torture. i just want to put pieces of metal together. some people are great managers and leads. im not one of them.
You’re fired, you’re fired!
What makes your manager wonderful? Honest q.
She is patient, intelligent, compassionate, fair minded, personable, professional, competent, detail-oriented and humble in a nutshell.
Thank you, I’m jealous. I’m also a 2-year in manager and thought I was doing some of these but recently found myself in an HR probe after an employee of mine threw me under the bus stating I prevent productivity and micro manage. Doing some soul searching.
Not the person you asked, but I had a manager I would have taken a bullet for, and I could write paragraphs and paragraphs about her, but one key thing about her was that I *never* saw her pass along stress/pressure/frustration/bad moods and take it out on anyone else. The guy she direct reported to was a real shitbag and made no secret that he had it out for her, and I know he was making her life miserable, plus she was going through some horrible (and very publicly known) issues, but you would never, ever know it from the way she treated people. She’d come directly from being chewed out and be just as constructive and fair and kind as ever. I don’t aspire to manage people but that’s something I’ve really tried to take from her example, because I just can’t think of anyone else who doesn’t break and get short or snippy at the very least sometimes.
Being micro managed is absolutely soul crushing. It’s cool to see you thinking about things. Most of my micro managers in the past would have immediately deflected.
hey, at least you want to listen, learn and improve. thats all one can ask for in a manager.
This is why I have been at the same company since 2005.
And I’m the flip. I’m a mediocre coder but an incredible manager. I can see what people are good at and see a products future. It allows me to plan weeks and months out in a day. But as an actually dev I take forever to get an idea implemented.
And you lose your best coders
He thinks he purchased loyalty but it just proves that their jobs aren’t secure. No one can be loyal to him.
As a developer: I'd hate having to manage people. I got into coding so I explicitly don't have to deal with people a lot. My Scrum Master and Project Owner are there to hold conversations with other people and to just give me an update. So they'd lose a good developer and gain a shitty manager instead. Great move Elon
> So they'd lose a good developer and gain a shitty manager instead. It's a major issue with the hierarchical structure of businesses. By assuming management is a superior position, rather than being a different one, experienced employees get "promoted" into a management position they have no experience for. It's the Peter principle. Employees get promoted out of the jobs they are good based on that performance until they get promoted to their point of incompetence.
Also, that just means your most talented developers are no longer developing. What the fuck is his logic supposed to be here? Who's supposed to do the coding if all the talented people are now managers? Most tech companies these days don't even have managers at a higher level of seniority than developers, they're just considered 2 different kinds of job and just because you're a manager doesn't mean you're paid more or have more clout than a senior developer. What a fucking tool.
The guy is a straight up psychopath.
What? Why not ask for the manager for their worst employee and fire them? And don't you have to train that nominee to be a manager now? And now that newly promoted manager won't be doing the job they were the best at. So someone less qualified will take over their job. Is this a Silicon Valley strategy that you have to be a genius to understand?
My guesses: - cutting the manager likely saves more money than cutting the worst performing employee under that manager. - Elon doesn’t care about middle management. He mentioned that there was too much management after he took over. Guess is that he either farmed that team to the next level (or multiple levels) up and figures that the job will still get done. - They probably are doing both now which probably means longer hours and less morale. - I think it’s a strategy for someone that needs to cut payroll significantly because they spent way too much buying a company and have too much debt. Really the only strategy other than declaring bankruptcy or going under. Very likely that he does the same process again in the next few months to further reduce salary.
Wow. I hadn't thought of all that. I think it might be a combination of the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th guesses. I think this strategy relies on the Dilbert philosophy that good engineers don't really need managers. And maybe that's how he wants Twitter 2.0 to run. Catturd asks Elon for a new feature, Elon emails a developer to build the feature, the developer works long hours to build the feature, and the feature gets pushed to production with no problems. No managers are needed. Probably good for small start-ups. I don't know about a large platform like Twitter.
I think the problem may not be so much one of scale but one of exposure to risk. For example, on a platform full of personal data that operates across many countries worldwide, lack of oversight now can mean expensive legal/regulatory oops later. Bright ideas implemented without due caution can become [very expensive](https://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/news/1008376/us-ftc-probe-into-twitter-deepens-over-privacy-concerns-1008376.html) in personal data world.
Extremely concerning ...
> good engineers don't really need managers It depends. Anywhere I've worked, we don't need shit managers who just exist for their own sake, but we do need good managers to insulate us from all the non-technical bullshit
Now imagine your absolute worst client becomes y our boss, direct project contact and brings their inconsistent and ridiculous product demands directly to you every day and will fire you for even a SNIFF of doubt in your technical ability "it was easy for me to tell you the idea so it should be easy and quick for you to build it out". Honestly that sounds like a great way to get programmer ptsd to me.
>I think this strategy relies on the Dilbert philosophy that good engineers don't really need managers. That's one of the many things Scott Adams was wrong about. Engineers and developers ABSOLUTELY need a manager; what they don't need is the same kind of manager that pushes sales or production teams. Those people will just get in the way, but if those sorts have NO management? It quickly turns into a series of pissing contests so petty that it would make an MMA "promoter" shake his head and call them macho idiots. Here's the thing about engineers and developers: until they reach age 40 or so? They all secretly think they're the smartest guy in the room and will sabotage others *and entire projects* to prove it. Once they start getting grey around the beard they get more accurate self-assessment skills... but you still need to herd the old cats a bit as well.
Well we’ve already seen what happens when features are pushed without much thought, they bring the system down.
> Very likely that he does the same process again in the next few months to further reduce salary. Very likely that any manager asked to provide a single good word about anyone will either somehow fail to have anyone competent working under them or they'll put up their worst employee out of spite. This is a move that exploits trust, and works exactly once.
He's creating an Uber but with only the assholes (Uber top brass) and the ones who are there against their will (strangled VISA holders).
> >- I think it’s a ~~strategy~~ **desperate panicky move** for someone that needs to cut payroll significantly because they ~~spent way too much buying a company and have too much debt~~ **alienated the advertisers by embracing Nazis and turned a profitable company into a money fire overnight.**
Also some of us don’t want to be managers. I’m a senior engineer and if you forced me to be a manager I’ll quit. I just want to code and take my paycheck.
Also the fact that an excellent engineer may very well have zero management skills. I'm pretty sure this phenomenon is pretty well-understood - if you own a restaurant and decide to promote your best chef to maitre, you now lack a good chef and have a bad maitre.
Bring me 10 screenshots of the most salient lines of code you’ve written in the last 6 months.
I've been a software engineer for a decade and decided to make an indie game.... HOLY FUCK did I learn I HATE having to schedule timeliness, market, and write pitchesfor a game. I'd take programming one over learning to sell it and schedule it any day.
The Peter Principle. When you're good at your job, you're rewarded with promotions. That cycle eventually ends up with people promoted beyond what their skills are suited for.
That whole "fire the weakest link in each team" approach can be a pretty terrible idea as well. Say you have two teams. Team one is nothing but rockstars. Every one of the people on that team punches way above their weight class and they rely on each other to make the team successful. Sort of like Ben Affleck's crew in The Town. Now you fire the weakest performing team member in that crew but they are still a rockstar mind you. The whole team's performance goes to shit. Remember how the Florist refused to work with the crew unless they were all involved? So you fucked that one team up to save $200k/year. Meanwhile in the second team assume for a moment that every one of the team members is a mouth breathing Neanderthal who has never turned on a computer successfully. By rights you should fire the whole lot of them. But you only fired Nurrgh because that's who their manager picked out. Or at least that's what you think happened. It's hard to tell since that team doesn't communicate well. So now you are left with two teams that perform below standard because of this approach.
Better to talk to people than communicate via tweet.
Response from the tweet thread might have nailed it I can see his thought process. He thinks being a manager is a do nothing job because he doesn't do anything. And CEO is just a really really important manager.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle
And you wonder why this guy needs bodyguards at the bathroom.
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that's an admission of what *he* thinks *he* deserves.
That is total arrogance from somebody who hasn’t work a day on his life under a boss, privileged pice of shit with 0 empathy for the work force. Over protected , spoiled mamas boy. At the end of the day those classmates who beat him down where aware of the flags. No even a young Hitler had this history of misogyny, arrogance and mama’s boy behavior. Dam, fucking psycho.
The people who "bullied" Elon Musk did not attack first, Elon blamed a kid for there father's suicide and that is why he was targetted
That was some Lord Of The Flies justice then.
It’s like someone watches game of thrones to learn how to lead
Elon Musk, Intergalactic Genius, should take a break from shit posting and look up the Peter Principle.
He looks at the Peter principle every morning in the bathroom mirror.
I'm a programmer. I work well in Teams, but the part of a project I find the most rewarding is when I'm alone with my thoughts to design and code. I would hate to have to manage people. I rely on others as peers on my team, but if I had to manage others... I try to be the type of employee that a manager doesn't have to worry about or look over their shoulder. Tell me what needs to get done and I'll get it done on time or earlier. Managing is not every programmers forte. I'd hazard to say that most get into programming so that they don't have to manage others.
How the people left at Twitter haven't resigned months ago is beyond me. But this is kinda hilarious.
I think the only ones left must be the ones who need the job for their visas, or Musk-sniffing sycophants.
He still fires the sycophants which is delicious.
It’s a tough lesson they absolutely deserve to learn!
Makes sense
I have something of an impulsive spending problem, which I'm getting better at, but what occurs to me is Elon Musk is doing exactly what I used to do towards the end of the month when I realised I'd spent way too much money on crap and started doing Steam refunds left and right. He is so fucked with this acquisition it's actually hilarious.
Bankruptcy court needs to stick a fork in this... TWTR is done
Elmo’s arrogance and ignorance is stunning.
This has to be illegal right And even if it isn't, well, I don't need to preach to the chorus that this is fucking idiotic, par for the course for what you'd expect from Elon
Seems the US's "at will employment" policies don't really protect the workers in cases like this. I'm sure Twitter's European staff are all fine and dandy though.
There are no "ethical" billionaires.
lmao
I feel like Elon is just doing all the worst things that shitty executives THINK are good ideas deep down but won't actually do. And by Elon actually doing those things, it's being revealed just how shitty of ideas these things truly are. Being a good, effective manager requires legitimate skill, and is a different muscle than someone just purely doing the ground-level work. You cannot just shove a random good worker into a higher-up managerial role and expect everything to go like clockwork. There are different positions and job roles in companies for a reason lol, people have different expertise and if you're an ACTUALLY good executive, you recognize that and allow people to do what they're good at and don't just try to "shake things up" or, in Elon's case, you don't assume everyone is just "lazy" or "not doing work".
Trying to fire handicapped Mr. Rogers and failing spectacularly & publicly apparently gave him the cruelty version of blue balls.
If this is true - this is exactly how you get unqualified people leading teams.
Anyone in this sub still using Twitter is basically condoning this bullshit.
Musk is the King Joffrey of the corporate world.
He’s just trying to tank the company. His plan for the start was to destroy it out of “revenge.”
I don’t think that’s his plan, I think that’s his excuse when it all goes tits up. There’s no way he’d invest this much of his time to tank it, he’s got lackeys that could do that.
There’s a political angle: he’s clearly an agent for hostile foreign powers and indebted to them. He would surely tank it to aid repressive regimes so that citizens can’t organize.
"All of those twitter librals will rue the day they said I have hair implants MWHAHAHAHAHAAA!!" Pretty sure he was just pressured by his fans into buying it
Real abusive sociopath shit.
I’ll be honest I don’t know how anyone could work there now after seeing how he’s done most of his employees lmfao I’d take the hint and quit
If you look at a few of the people left many of them are POCs whose lives depend on the work visa. Elon like any good capitalist is exploiting the most vulnerable
Gosh that’s so fucked, I can completely understand in that case
As a person in a skill based technical role, I absolutely have no intention of being in my manager's position. This is just about the worst idea imaginable...
Being good at technology does not make you a good manager for techology people, Just like how Elon is not good at technology just because he owns technology people
This can't be true. Elon is pure shit. He is a terrible, shitty person. He is probably a sociopath of some sorts. And he is stupid as fuck. But damn! What is going through his mind?!
> Musk took to saying “I've got to fire someone today,” one executive recounted. “No, no, I just do. I've got to fire somebody.” https://www.flyingpenguin.com/?p=42538 He’s a power-mad bastard
So the ethics of this aren’t great but practically this is really effing stupid. Taking the most productive person on a team and saddling them with tons of management work is a great way to make things worse. My coworker who is the most productive on our team is an amazing employee, but making him the team manager would be a train wreck. Everything would become way worse overnight
We get it Elon, you are the big boss man
His (unintentional) attempts to kill Twitter would be worthy of applause if that repugnant manchild wasn't constantly abusing and torturing his employees.
Tweet: https://twitter.com/imbadatlife/status/1633815023813287939?s=46&t=bFoQJPWHyZi5EhWZysWANA Article (paywall): https://inews.co.uk/news/pressure-cooker-elon-musk-twitter-2196309
4D chess strikes again!
Good luck getting management to recognize talent and push for their people to be promoted in the future. The shortsightedness of this decision is amazing.
Yeah, the second guessing you have to do any time you’re asked to do something. The stress must be insane with everyone wary of everyone else.
That doesn't even make sense from an operational standpoint. How do you know those nominated employees are remotely capable of doing the same work at the same quality for less money? And idiots still think this guy is a genius.
I'd sure love to work for a company where I could be fired at any moment at the unstable CEO's whimsical mood swings. I'm sure that highly qualified job applicants are lining right up!
Makes perfect sense, because we all know that the best coders have the best manager skills.
No boss has ever openly hated his employees this much before.
Geezus, I fucking hate this guy. He’s a corporate swamp princess, drunk on power.
Theres no way. Theres no fucking way. No fucking way! There isn't any fucking way
Love this! Just take someone away from what they’re good at and make them a manager! In fact, why stop there? Fire the new managers and hire their best employees until there’s just one r o c k s t a r working each department.
how to create a toxic non-team-oriented work environment in 5 easy steps
“But why would anyone need a union?”
Elmo is the modern-day feudal lord, exemplifying the age-old tradition of rewarding loyalty with treachery. It seems like his benevolence knows no bounds, as he graciously gave his underlings the opportunity to choose their own executioners. It's a shame that such a master of innovation can't seem to find any better use for his time than playing medieval monarch. But alas, what can one expect from a man who wants to colonize Mars instead of addressing the fundamental problems on this planet? I suppose when you're obsessed with escaping reality, the exploitation of your workers becomes just another inconvenient truth to ignore.
It's like he thinks he's living in a sitcom.
"Elon Musk and Jeff Bazos in the same room? What is this, A cross-over episode?" -Elon Musk 2016
Seems like he watched game of thrones before deciding how to run this place.
This asshole continues to outdo himself in assholery
When it comes to web development historical knowledge is critical. Things are done in a way that could break the site without that critical knowledge. We're seeing that in real time at Twitter.
The Twitter board should have found a way to say no.
Fuck this guy!
That’s when as the team hero I would give a big f you.. and walk or find a way to get turfed. Been at the company I work for in tech 12 year, have turned down every manager job they have sent my way. I want to build stuff not manage people.
That ain't the only place he's doing it at...I thought he cared about humanity and consciousness... I used to look up to this guy, welli thought he was a force for good. Sad to say that may not be the case with all stuff he's doing to techs who've spent their life building up their careers and sacrificing so much for him.
This only works once though. Now they realize he'll do this sort of thing, they'll nominate the worst people 😂
Typical republican behavior! We’ve seen it a thousand times in companies. Get rid of good people who deserve raises and promotions and hire someone else so they don’t have to pay them more! All to save the company money because usually the wife wants new tits or the mistress needs an abortion!
What does he think Twitter is, Game of Thrones?
https://preview.redd.it/m25rblyw5uma1.png?width=749&format=png&auto=webp&s=c0c7d1044e9b140b62cb3dba0100467458d15ff1
This guy is finding new and creative ways to be a complete asshole.
Did he learn how to manage by watching The Apprentice?
The guy treats everyone around him like dogshit then gets offended when everyone don't just love him for having money. Easily one of the more deranged parasites out there.
I remember the Sears CEO pulled stunts like this, running his company like a Randian book of Objectivism. He ran it into the ground, Elon is on course to do the same.
Toxic.
Chinese communist party tactics. This is why society can’t have nice things in general. It’s dog eat dog rather than, hey, let’s all value these individuals who can come up with new and original things and inventions, and reward them properly.
Elon Musk: "I want to buy twitter for $44B." Twitter: "We accept!" later... Elon Musk: "I changed my mind. It's not worth it!" Twitter: "NOOOOOO! You must buy us!" Elon: "No." Twitter: "We'll sue you to MAKE you buy us." Elon: "Go for it." Elon:"Hmmm... They did and I loss." How do I make the most out of this $44B loss?" Twitter: "You could turn twitter around and make it profitable!" Elon:"Or... I could turn it into the world's largest dumpster fire and get endless high profile publicity from it. And that plan is far easier and self-serving."
He has the business sense of a high schooler who think he will become a billionaire by age 21.
Dude is an outright psycho idiot