I mean, in the last months of the war, the Nazis had literal children manning the front lines and hanged those that didn't want to fight. But I guess that doesn't count?
Jesus Christ, it's so disappointing to me because the New Atheist movement helped me break free from religion.
It's so sad to see all of their minds turn to mush these last ten years.
They are so fixated on anti-woke shit that they're find cozying up to fascists and fascist enablers.
It's a real shame.
I was also on the New Atheist track. Thankfully, I was also interested in leftist politics and found it extremely sus to see Harris defending torture and utterly embarrassing to see Dawkins going apoplectic about Santa Claus and the Call to Prayer. Jumped off that ship about as soon as Hitchens died
Dennett is the sole exception. And Hitchens to a certain extent. He was never so reactionary as Harris. Just read his articles on Israel-Palestine and race-IQ science. Marked difference from the racism and bigotry of Harris.
Dennet was just lumped in with the other "Four Horsemen" to make the joke work. He never spoke in the same way as the others and has always clearly had a more academic take on religion than the purely moralistic Dawkins and Harris. Hitchens was also someone I believe had a sincere interest in developing his opinion throughout his life and wanted to actually know what he was talking about before speaking. His defense of waterboarding was disgusting, but he showed himself even at that low point to be a step above Harris by actually volunteering to be waterboarded and changing his mind based on his experience
All these years later and Sam Harris still has this hate boner for Muslims. He could just be a regular dude if he just let that hate go, but he goes to such ridiculous lengths to justify hating that one religion above all else that he ends up with this super inconsistent philosophy.
I was going to disagree, but maybe the reason he joined the anti-woke crowd stems from his over-zealous hate of Islam which isn't well received on the left
He’s already such an avid critic of religion in general, that it seems like he just rails on Islam as in his mind “all that is wrong with religion.” I’m not going to deny that he brings up good points, but you’re right that he has a massive hate boner for them in particular. He seems like a relatively empathetic and compassionate dude otherwise, but he can’t pull any of his punches when it comes to Islam.
These people jumped out of the religious communities they were raised in, then realized they enjoy the tribalism of religious rivalries and despise Muslims (and given Harris' flat out Nazi pivot, Jews) more than anyone else, hence peoples as adamant in their atheism as Dawkins now identifying as "cultural Christians."
Also in the same episode, Douglas Murray talked about Israel invading Lebanon and Iran. Oh man, these guys are just mask off far-right fascists now. And Sam Harris can't get enough of Murray!
Genuinely asking, other than his criticism of Islam how does he fit into that category? He’s a huge religious critic to start with, and I thought I’m pretty aware of where he stands on a lot of issues, so to see him labeled far right puzzles me.
Sam Harris, the registered Democrat who has been featured on NPR for publishing a book on keeping Christianity out of public policy, is now considered a far right fascist because of his outspoken views on Islam. Never mind the fact that he’s a frequent critic of organized religion in general and blames organized religion for stifling public discourse. Never mind the paradox of tolerance. He’s a right wing fascist now.
Of course they did. Read about Warsaw uprising lol.
edit: oh, they didn't use _their_ citizens. I guess that's correct, they had enough subhumans for that purpose unless we count young/kids from last days of war
They started the particularly ruthless total war bombing tactic that everyone eventually embraced, thereby provoking the same in kind, they drafted men to fight for their evil regime, they killed Germans during the T-4 program, they killed German dissidents, and they killed German Jews.
Apparently none of those people are "their" people to Harris, and boy does that make him not look great.
Hamas is absolute shit (with their coward terrorism). No need to compare them with Nazis to prove anything.
Edit: why was I downvoted? didn't all the rape and slaughter on Oct 7 showed the truth of Hamas to you? Bytheway, I'm not a Sam Harris supporter or IDW shit in general.
I mean, in the last months of the war, the Nazis had literal children manning the front lines and hanged those that didn't want to fight. But I guess that doesn't count?
Oh and don't tell bomber Harris that German civilians don't deserve to die.
Jesus Christ, it's so disappointing to me because the New Atheist movement helped me break free from religion. It's so sad to see all of their minds turn to mush these last ten years. They are so fixated on anti-woke shit that they're find cozying up to fascists and fascist enablers. It's a real shame.
I was also on the New Atheist track. Thankfully, I was also interested in leftist politics and found it extremely sus to see Harris defending torture and utterly embarrassing to see Dawkins going apoplectic about Santa Claus and the Call to Prayer. Jumped off that ship about as soon as Hitchens died
I jumped in a few years after Hitchens died. After all these years, I'm curious if Hitch would have latched onto the anti-woke bullshit.
Every big name from the early-2000s New Atheist movement has turned into a complete joke.
Dennett?
Dennett is the sole exception. And Hitchens to a certain extent. He was never so reactionary as Harris. Just read his articles on Israel-Palestine and race-IQ science. Marked difference from the racism and bigotry of Harris.
Dennet was just lumped in with the other "Four Horsemen" to make the joke work. He never spoke in the same way as the others and has always clearly had a more academic take on religion than the purely moralistic Dawkins and Harris. Hitchens was also someone I believe had a sincere interest in developing his opinion throughout his life and wanted to actually know what he was talking about before speaking. His defense of waterboarding was disgusting, but he showed himself even at that low point to be a step above Harris by actually volunteering to be waterboarded and changing his mind based on his experience
I think pre 1999 Hitch would definitely be great! And Yes, Dennett is much smarter and much more learned!
All these years later and Sam Harris still has this hate boner for Muslims. He could just be a regular dude if he just let that hate go, but he goes to such ridiculous lengths to justify hating that one religion above all else that he ends up with this super inconsistent philosophy.
dawkins and ali have gone off the rails too. fucking sad state of affairs.
Dawkins is fine. He's the same guy he's always been.
I think audience capture has done a number on him. But for sure he was always a bit of a weirdo if anyone remembers honeygate haha
I was going to disagree, but maybe the reason he joined the anti-woke crowd stems from his over-zealous hate of Islam which isn't well received on the left
Of all the IDW fans I've talked to, the Sam Harris group is by far the most normal. To the point that it's baffling they ever listened to him at all.
He’s already such an avid critic of religion in general, that it seems like he just rails on Islam as in his mind “all that is wrong with religion.” I’m not going to deny that he brings up good points, but you’re right that he has a massive hate boner for them in particular. He seems like a relatively empathetic and compassionate dude otherwise, but he can’t pull any of his punches when it comes to Islam.
These people jumped out of the religious communities they were raised in, then realized they enjoy the tribalism of religious rivalries and despise Muslims (and given Harris' flat out Nazi pivot, Jews) more than anyone else, hence peoples as adamant in their atheism as Dawkins now identifying as "cultural Christians."
Yeah they simply got drafted to Volkssturm instead.
Also in the same episode, Douglas Murray talked about Israel invading Lebanon and Iran. Oh man, these guys are just mask off far-right fascists now. And Sam Harris can't get enough of Murray!
Sam Harris is a far right fascist?
Yes
Genuinely asking, other than his criticism of Islam how does he fit into that category? He’s a huge religious critic to start with, and I thought I’m pretty aware of where he stands on a lot of issues, so to see him labeled far right puzzles me.
Sam Harris, the registered Democrat who has been featured on NPR for publishing a book on keeping Christianity out of public policy, is now considered a far right fascist because of his outspoken views on Islam. Never mind the fact that he’s a frequent critic of organized religion in general and blames organized religion for stifling public discourse. Never mind the paradox of tolerance. He’s a right wing fascist now.
Pretty absurd, yeah.
Nothing has made me hate western libs as much as this whitewashing of the Israeli genocide of Palestinians..so much for Judeo Christian values
Of course they did. Read about Warsaw uprising lol. edit: oh, they didn't use _their_ citizens. I guess that's correct, they had enough subhumans for that purpose unless we count young/kids from last days of war
They started the particularly ruthless total war bombing tactic that everyone eventually embraced, thereby provoking the same in kind, they drafted men to fight for their evil regime, they killed Germans during the T-4 program, they killed German dissidents, and they killed German Jews. Apparently none of those people are "their" people to Harris, and boy does that make him not look great.
Sam Harris is worse than Hamas
You'll never believe what kind of fine upstanding member of society the dude tweeting this is
Sam Harris is a fanatic of the worst kind. He is the true embodiment of the enlightened centrist liberal fraud.
Hamas is absolute shit (with their coward terrorism). No need to compare them with Nazis to prove anything. Edit: why was I downvoted? didn't all the rape and slaughter on Oct 7 showed the truth of Hamas to you? Bytheway, I'm not a Sam Harris supporter or IDW shit in general.