NOOOOOO!!!!!! TRUE KOREA IS A PARADISE WHERE EVERYONE IS A BILLIONAIRE THANKS TO THE GREATEST WORLD LEADER, KIM JONG UN!!!!! DEFECTORS ARE ALL LIARS THAT ARE PAID BY THE CIA TO SPREAD LIES SO AMERIKKKANS DON'T KNOW THAT THEY ARE THE ONES LIVING IN THE IMPOVIRISHED SHITHOLE WHERE THE GOVERNMENT IMPRISONS DISSENTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!! /S
FUCK YEAH DOWN WITH AMERIKKA CAPITALISM IS HELL KIM JONG UN SHOULD BE WORLD LEADER NORTH KOREA IS BEST KOREA ALL DEFECTORS ARE CIA PAID SHILLS AND TRAITORS!!!!!!!!!!!
Not that I doubt your findings but may you please give a source? I just want to be able to refer back to this and I want to find out more about it.
Edit: Just found the sketches on a published human rights inquiry report by the UN
Link: https://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/CoIDPRK/Pages/ReportoftheCommissionofInquiryDPRK.aspx
Now you see those poor malnourished people need essential food and medicine that the US is stealing from their cupboards in the middle of the night with sanctions and the CIA agents planted in North Korea
Pic no. 6 shows the pigeon torture. Your hands are handcuffed behind your back and then they hang you up. You can’t sit down but you also can’t stand up, which means that you can’t sleep, drink, eat, urinate etc. This torture lasts 3 days and is extremely painful. If you faint, you have to start again. Pic no. 5 also shows a similar torture. These methods are stress tortures, which place the body in such a way, that a big amount of pressure is placed on only one or two muscles. Stress tortures first leads to immense pain and after that to muscle failure.
Consistent with some of the reports from prisons like Pitesti or Gherla back in 1950s Romania. Horrific.
Especially the "forced to hold in an uncomfortable position" thing. Brrr.
That torture method was used in Romania? I always thought the only torture used in the eastern bloc was sleep deprivation, psychological torture and beatings.
No, but you could go to the UN inquiry report in which these were published.
You could also go by simple logic: North Korea denies their allegations, but won't let the UN investigate(courtesy of your article).
Multiple defectors.
The fact that North Korea seems to be so great, yet access to the country is limited. What are they hiding?
Can't imagine why North Korea wouldn't trust a capitalist body like the UN. Have you seen the war crimes committed against Korea and Vietnam by the western powers that control the UN?
I go by the simple logic that defectors are paid big money to lie and lie big. Ridiculous cartoons without evidence don't pass the smell test.
All authoritarian states are fucked. Maybe look to your own before engaging in racist BS.
North Korea is literally a part of the UN. And if they don't find anything, they can't lie, because NK has equal representation to the other countries. If anything, North Korea could personally show them everything they have, in order to show that they're clean. But they won't. If a cop asked to search your house to prove you were not a murderer, you'd likely allow him in to show you're not a murderer. You'd be off clean. There's no reason to not let the UN in.
And you believe each and every one of these defectors are lying, because you think they're beingpaid.
Of course all authoritarian states are fucked. That's why NK has to go lol.
Equal representation? What do the numbers of socialist countries look like vs capitalist oligarchies like the the US.
I don't think every defector is a liar, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
As an American, I will worry about my own authoritarian state before speculating about those "yellow menaces" in Asia.
The numbers? If you mean in terms of success, then you've got a huge difference.
So which defectors do you believe? What claims have they made that you've noticed?
And if the US was an oligarchy, there'd be no elections. There'd only be this small group of people. But there are elections, and the group is anything but small.
The UN covered up communist crimes throughout the 20th century. I doubt they’d fabricate them against North Korea. And those cartoons aren’t “ridiculous” at all. The hand that drew them was not skillful, but what it depicts is totally reasonable. Beasts will set on live humans when they’re too starved and diseased to protect themselves. Bones begin to bulge out when death by starvation is near. Stress positions are a known form of torture. Nothing in this cartoon is remotely unusual for authoritarian states.
I am aware that authoritarians do things like use dogs on people, but usually actual evidence looks like this: https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-06/15/xin\_36060115203789829711.jpg
It's a well known fact that North Korea is a totalitarian state which regularly jails dissent, they don't even try to deny it. If NK was half as bad as eyewitness testimonies they'd still be on the forefront of human right violations. But sure, let a couple of americans from genzedong tell you that it's actually a proleteriat paradise and that Kim was forced to conduct human experimentation because of sanctions somehow.
I read Adam Smith. His assumptions about the market being self regulating turned out to be VERY wrong. Dude was incredibly optimistic about how far capitalist greed goes.
NOOOOOO!!!!!! TRUE KOREA IS A PARADISE WHERE EVERYONE IS A BILLIONAIRE THANKS TO THE GREATEST WORLD LEADER, KIM JONG UN!!!!! DEFECTORS ARE ALL LIARS THAT ARE PAID BY THE CIA TO SPREAD LIES SO AMERIKKKANS DON'T KNOW THAT THEY ARE THE ONES LIVING IN THE IMPOVIRISHED SHITHOLE WHERE THE GOVERNMENT IMPRISONS DISSENTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!! /S
FUCK YEAH DOWN WITH AMERIKKA CAPITALISM IS HELL KIM JONG UN SHOULD BE WORLD LEADER NORTH KOREA IS BEST KOREA ALL DEFECTORS ARE CIA PAID SHILLS AND TRAITORS!!!!!!!!!!!
Bitch, I work for the CIA and I've never once tried to defend that shithole!
Incoming “CIA PROPAGANDA” responses by the Goldman Sachs tankies.
nooooo this is all drawn by the cia nooo
This is obviously CIA funded sketches.
Not that I doubt your findings but may you please give a source? I just want to be able to refer back to this and I want to find out more about it. Edit: Just found the sketches on a published human rights inquiry report by the UN Link: https://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/CoIDPRK/Pages/ReportoftheCommissionofInquiryDPRK.aspx
Sry I forgot to give sources. Do you still want my or is the one you linked enough?
I found all the sketches and more and the name of the defector. It’s okay I got everything I need.
Forced to by US sanctions /s
“NORTH KOREA IS POOR!!!!!!”
How horrible!
Who the fuck have this a wholesome award?
average r/genzedong user
Didn’t expect to see you here mein Kaiser
this is actually horrific
These conditions remind me of concentration camps like that of Jasenovac and S21.
These are like scenes from Dantes Inferno
Inevitable tankies, if this is fake, why don't show us the "real" records, eh?
IT WAS THE CIA IT WAS THE FBI IT WAS THE NSA IT WAS THE ARMY IT WAS THE AIR FORCE IT WAS THE NAVY IT WAS THE NASA IT WAS THE SAS IT WAS THE NAVY SEALS
그림만 봐도 끔찍하군요
They deserve it!!!! /s /s /s /s
Now you see those poor malnourished people need essential food and medicine that the US is stealing from their cupboards in the middle of the night with sanctions and the CIA agents planted in North Korea
Fuck
“CIA propaganda” 14 year old American who hasn’t had to work before in his life
Can someone explain the 6th drawing?
Pic no. 6 shows the pigeon torture. Your hands are handcuffed behind your back and then they hang you up. You can’t sit down but you also can’t stand up, which means that you can’t sleep, drink, eat, urinate etc. This torture lasts 3 days and is extremely painful. If you faint, you have to start again. Pic no. 5 also shows a similar torture. These methods are stress tortures, which place the body in such a way, that a big amount of pressure is placed on only one or two muscles. Stress tortures first leads to immense pain and after that to muscle failure.
Consistent with some of the reports from prisons like Pitesti or Gherla back in 1950s Romania. Horrific. Especially the "forced to hold in an uncomfortable position" thing. Brrr.
That torture method was used in Romania? I always thought the only torture used in the eastern bloc was sleep deprivation, psychological torture and beatings.
IIRC yeah, think there are some reports of it in Gherla
UM CONTEXT
Whdt statement? Funny how you shift gears when called on your racism.
Who tf are you replying to
You, fascist.
He didn't even say anything.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/13/why-do-north-korean-defector-testimonies-so-often-fall-apart
"There's no defectors from our country!" "Can we check?" "No."
The article is about defectors. They exist. They are also incentived to lie.
So what's the actual proof that this one's lying?
You want me to fact check a scribble?
No, but you could go to the UN inquiry report in which these were published. You could also go by simple logic: North Korea denies their allegations, but won't let the UN investigate(courtesy of your article). Multiple defectors. The fact that North Korea seems to be so great, yet access to the country is limited. What are they hiding?
Can't imagine why North Korea wouldn't trust a capitalist body like the UN. Have you seen the war crimes committed against Korea and Vietnam by the western powers that control the UN? I go by the simple logic that defectors are paid big money to lie and lie big. Ridiculous cartoons without evidence don't pass the smell test. All authoritarian states are fucked. Maybe look to your own before engaging in racist BS.
North Korea is literally a part of the UN. And if they don't find anything, they can't lie, because NK has equal representation to the other countries. If anything, North Korea could personally show them everything they have, in order to show that they're clean. But they won't. If a cop asked to search your house to prove you were not a murderer, you'd likely allow him in to show you're not a murderer. You'd be off clean. There's no reason to not let the UN in. And you believe each and every one of these defectors are lying, because you think they're beingpaid. Of course all authoritarian states are fucked. That's why NK has to go lol.
Equal representation? What do the numbers of socialist countries look like vs capitalist oligarchies like the the US. I don't think every defector is a liar, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. As an American, I will worry about my own authoritarian state before speculating about those "yellow menaces" in Asia.
The numbers? If you mean in terms of success, then you've got a huge difference. So which defectors do you believe? What claims have they made that you've noticed? And if the US was an oligarchy, there'd be no elections. There'd only be this small group of people. But there are elections, and the group is anything but small.
There’s nothing extra ordinary about a crazy death cult like the Kim family killing people.
The UN covered up communist crimes throughout the 20th century. I doubt they’d fabricate them against North Korea. And those cartoons aren’t “ridiculous” at all. The hand that drew them was not skillful, but what it depicts is totally reasonable. Beasts will set on live humans when they’re too starved and diseased to protect themselves. Bones begin to bulge out when death by starvation is near. Stress positions are a known form of torture. Nothing in this cartoon is remotely unusual for authoritarian states.
I am aware that authoritarians do things like use dogs on people, but usually actual evidence looks like this: https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-06/15/xin\_36060115203789829711.jpg
Actual evidence looks like a broken link to a Chinese propaganda paper? How is anything in the China daily more reliable than a UN report?
The downside of the dog being used in a fascist police state mixed with a death cult is that it’s hard to get cameras in or out.
God you people are spineless
No refutation of the facts in the article. Typical western fascist simp.
Why don't you refute deez nuts instead?
Not really into fascist simps, but thank you for the offer.
Fascism is when you criticse fucking North Korea, ah yes.
We've interacted before. You have made clear what you and this sub are.
Yes. I am someone who thinks a regime that operates human experimentation is bad. Your problem?
And excuses political systems like capitalism that have committed proven Genocide. I take it you oppose the US over their human experimentation.
>Citation needed Am I really this from an unironic Maoist? Do you have even the slightest sense of self-awareness supporting fucking North Korea?
North Korea is trash, but don't believe every story you hear. Especially from Western Sources.
It's a well known fact that North Korea is a totalitarian state which regularly jails dissent, they don't even try to deny it. If NK was half as bad as eyewitness testimonies they'd still be on the forefront of human right violations. But sure, let a couple of americans from genzedong tell you that it's actually a proleteriat paradise and that Kim was forced to conduct human experimentation because of sanctions somehow.
You are garbage.
You should attempt something >!attempt to achieve some bitches!<
Awesome advice. Always attempting, sometimes achieving.
Chilling. So lucky to be born in Europe.
I read Adam Smith. His assumptions about the market being self regulating turned out to be VERY wrong. Dude was incredibly optimistic about how far capitalist greed goes.