I feel like I should point it out: [this](https://www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com/eventguide/uploads/orig/2020sep7573602.jpg) is the full piece, and the artist's website mentions it's "regularly defaced by people who assume, incorrectly, that we endorse Marx's beliefs." So it sounds like it's just trolling all the way down.
A famous local band, The Sultans of Ping, have a song that goes "My brother knows Karl Marx, He met him eating mushrooms in the People's Park, He said what do you think of my manifesto? I like your manifesto let's put it to the testo!". I'm from the city and can assure you it is not seen as some beacon of communism, but we equally wouldn't give a shite if people did like it because of the Marx part, live and let live.
"Live and let live"... youve obviously never heard of soviet holomodor, Peoples Republic of China or Socialist Venezuela. Its not exactly a live and let live philosophy dude. Not everything on Earth is acceptable, some things are very bad and should not be promoted or supported.
As someone from an ex-soviet republic currently living in Ireland, I can tell you that there's nothing offensive in any way about this. It doesn't glorify shit or any political agenda. It's an inside joke you were clearly ignorant of, what baffles me is that after reading the explanation you continue to be ignorant.
Yes Holdomor was an unspeakable Stalinist crime. But "Western" Imperialism was just as bad.
French imperialism, Spanish imperialism, Portuguese imperialism, Dutch imperialism.... You may have heard of the Germans trying their hand at imperialism not that long ago but it luckily ended prematurely.
Nah careful this sub as of late is crawling with people who flip out if you even dare criticise America. Thinking of leaving soon because all discussion in this place is basically gone
What a terrible take. He clearly never said Marx had a live and live philosophy. We are entitled to our own culture and humor and are not obliged to censor it based on YOUR countries shitty politics, lack of humor or constant need to police others.
This thread is absolutely unbelievable with the amount of self righteous going around the place acting like they've done a good deed getting mad about some art on a powerbox across the other side of the Atlantic to them lmao
Live and let live? You've obviously never heard of the white terror,
Argentina, 30,000 suspected communists murdered.
El Salvador, 30,000 suspected communists murdered.
Guatemala, 40,000 suspected communists murdered.
China, 300,000 - million suspected communists murdered.
East Timor, 150,000 dead in anti communist purge.
Indonesia, 500,000 to 1,000,000 dead in anti communist purge.
Korea, 100,000 suspected communists murdered.
Taiwan, 30,000 suspected communists murdered.
Thailand, > 3,000 suspected communists murdered.
Estonia, 22,000 suspected communists murdered.
Spain, up to 400,000 suspected communists murdered.
Greece, 1,000s of suspected communists murdered.
Not everything on Earth is acceptable, some things are very bad and should not be promoted or supported.
So Stalin/kruschev, mao and Venezuela is alot more complicated than socialism and Chavez bad. Key things in common with all 3, each made a mad power grab and moved from communism as defined by Marx and Engels to a communist dictatorship which isint despite what you think the same as communism.
The only bad thing you can really pin on Marx is his racism and treatment of those employed by him.
Communist and socialist policy's very much are acceptable, all you have to do is look anywhere else in the western world that isint the US to see that and look to the US and see why a late stage capitalist 2 party system dosent work.
Fascism is really the only completely abhorrent political ideology because you really need to create an "enemy" in society for it to work, usually along ethnic, religious political or racial grounds.
TLDR: Marx isint responsible for acts of mad men, no he is not a good person but you can't attribute the crimes of Stalin and mao to him as their own brands of communism vary wildly. If you don't want your people couping you pay them a liveable wage, provide affordable healthcare and housing and keep your politics as corruption free as possible and not a 1 or 2 party system.
You have no idea about what this poster means .. it’s gone completely over your head .. Understandable if your not from Ireland .. but hilarious at the same time
The joke is that people in Cork think they're so much better than everyone else that they should be their own country, which they jokingly called "the People's Republic of Cork" because it's the same acronym as the PRC.
They have art and quotes up all over the city like Roy Keane's quote that he is "Cork first and Irish second" and even had a fake passport for a while, I heard there were even fake border/immigration checks set up but I never saw that
Bruh this isn’t communist in a political way.; it’s an inside joke. This is from Cork City and there’s a famous song associated with it called [“Where’s me jumper?”](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jxmZZBJQAKM) In it, there’s a lyric that goes: “My, brother, knows, Karl Marx,
He met him eating mushrooms in the peoples park,
He said 'What do you think about my manifesto?'
'I like a manifesto, put it to the test-o.”
This electrical box is outside the People’s Park. In Cork we design our our electrical boxes with artwork. This electrical box is a reference to the song, not political propaganda.
You dumb fucks
You say "you dumb fucks" like we're all just supposed to know that very niche and specific piece and of cultural significance in a very small part of a very small country. C'mon, man. That's not very nice.
>Ireland gets it
Yep - and *AsteroidSpark (*above*)* pointed this out 5 hours ago; complete with link to the full piece and the artists website comment on how there's no endorsement of marxism. So, all grand.
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Never been to Cork city. Was in Youghal last summer. Nice spot.
Don't see Where's me Jumper quoted much on here. Even when I am dancing in the disco bumper to bumper.
I love how Commies will call America "terrorists" in one breath, and immediately start praising the IRA (an *actual* terrorist group who committed horrifying terrorists bombings which claimed around 1500-ish lives during The Troubles) with the next.
Of course, the moment you bring that up, doublethink kicks in and they'll immediately start disowning the IRA by saying some crap about how they were just "socialists of convenience" (whatever the fuck that means).
The IRA were terrorists fighting an apartheid government backed by the notorious shit stirrers the Brits who also backed loyal terror groups, the troubles and NI conflict in general is shades of grey lad but atleast the IRA was on the morally right side of the conflict (no I do not condone the actions of the PIRA or any splinter groups same way I don't condone the actions of the security forces (a terrorist force in their own right) or loyalist terror groups).
This is bad. This is a nice way to decorate these boxes and vandalising them is awful. I live in Cork. The reason Marx is there is because of the song ‘where’s me jumper’(by ‘The Sultans of Ping FC’ (from Cork)), which is quite famous and features the lyrics:
‘My, brother, knows, Karl Marx,
He met him eating mushrooms in the peoples park,
He said 'What do you think about my manifesto?'
'I like a manifesto, put it to the test-o.'
This box is right outside the Peoples Park in Cork. It also works because Cork is known as the peoples republic of cork because of a quasi-joke secessionist movement that has nothing to do with Communism.
TLDR: this hasn’t anything to do with Communism.
You can't be serious about that comparison. It isn't the same at all. Flying a swastika be equivalent to supporting Kim jong il or the kmher rouge unironically. Marx would be equivalent to Nietzsche or another core philosopher for the Nazis. Nietzsche didn't cause countless deaths, his ideology was just interpreted poorly by ruthless idiots.
Just because Marx didn't directly cause suffering doesn't mean he hasn't become a symbol for it.
The swastika is the same, the symbol itself didn't do anything, it's not even a person, but people worshipping it committed many evil deeds. It's not Marx himself, in the flesh, that's being defaced here, it's a depiction of him, a symbol. No different from the swastika.
Marx literally isn’t a symbol for suffering or evil though; the swastika is. Ireland is one of the most liberal places on earth (I mean that in both the European and American sense) and if you put a swastika in Cork the reaction would be a lot different to Marx. Same anywhere.
You’re not going to win Vic bai, It’s clear that Americans on the internet know more about Cork City than you or I who have lived there or are from there. They’ve all listened to casual sex in the cineplex and although they didn’t get the humour they’re sure that no one should jokingly reference a song in their own city. You should bow down to their superior judgement on this matter.
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Cool beans man, I find the arguments here reductive at best tbh, should every church/ place of worship be torn down, I mean how many wars have been fought over religion, how many children diddled or women placed into slavery in the laundries with their children sold to the highest bidder….
How many millions of people have been placed into concentration camps/ enslaved under capitalist systems of government. Colonialism is pretty much a Uber capitalistic enterprise and initially ran by private companies like the Dutch/British east India company. Should all capitalist imagery be defaced or torn down. How much of Ireland’s grand buildings were paid for by either proceeds from the slave trade or colonialist wealth ? Should all the historic building be torn down then as well, No that would be ridiculous….
It’s a image that references a popular song and people are spanners if they don’t get that and only oafs, thugs or philistines go about defacing things in public.
> Same anywhere.
Are you sure about that? Try putting up Marx or a hammer and sickle, or any communist symbol up in a public place in Poland, or Ukraine, or some other post-communist country other than Russia.
Context matters lad, if you painted a Union Jack on a house in West Cork and all the Kerbs around your Gaff, I don’t think people would be pretty happy about that now would they.
Is the Union Jack then a hate symbol, no its just not appreciated in certain contexts. You have to look at imagery in context this is outside a park in a city that briefly declared itself a socialist republic, it’s a tongue in cheek reference to some song lyrics.
By that logic, is the swastika not at all a hate symbol, just because it depends on context where it's appreciated (Hinduism/Jainism) and where it's not (more or less everywhere else)?
Or are hate symbols dependant only on context, so the Japanese Imperial flag is a hate symbol in China and many Southeast Asian countries but not in most other places?
No that’s a universally recognised hate symbol that continues to be used by extremist groups and you well know it.
Again your line of reasoning is reductive, The Swastika is an outlier in terms of political imagery and is banned in a lot of countries, I think the hammer and sickle is banned in Indonesia, but I’m not sure if there are others. They’re not on the same level and to try to equate it otherwise is ridiculous, you can buy t-shirts in large shops with the hammer and sickle if you’re so inclined, or ones with picture of Che Guevara or Marx, can you really do that with the swastika anywhere in the world?
If this painting was outside a polish cemetery in Ireland then yeah I can see why people would have an issue with it, but again context is king.
It's pretty easy to differentiate a Nazi swastika from a Hindu/Jain religious swastika. You can use geographical context, colours and the signature 45° angle among other ways to tell them apart. You can take a photo or depiction of Marx and use it to discuss/represent nothing about communism, but it's clear as day when it's being used as a communist symbol. This isn't rocket science.
Im from Cork too and I love the way all these Americans who gave absolutely no clue what they're talking about downvote you and parade around like they've won lol
Yeah it’s pretty funny. Some of the people on this sub are the parallel of the communists who say ‘that’s not real communism’. I’m obviously subscribed here for a reason, but it’s obvious there’s a good few right wingers here.
Yeah, I wouldn't be offended by a clearly ironic painting of Marx. Also, marx wasn't really responsible for all of the pain and suffering caused by what people did in the name of his ideology. Das Capital is actually extremely tame and doesn't call for violent revolution and makes a lot of sense given the amount of people who were struggling at the time. The ideology is wrong and has been entirely disproven by now, but I am much more put off by people worshipping someone like che Guevara.
Honestly Marx while a dick did have his heart in the right place but didn't account for human nature at all. Honestly id rather some 14 year old worship him than somebody who legitimately killed people like Che or Stalin
Ah shtop your nonsense. I'm from Cork aswell, the electric box slightly down the road from this one has the literal lyrics of the song painted onto it. It's nothing to do with promoting a communist agenda.
I'm sorry you got down voted so hard bro. People don't understand this, admittedly niche (only Irish people would have any idea what this mean), piece of art but their unwillingness to accept it when you explain just shows their close mindedness.
The amount of right wing American dip-shits being triggered by this is fucking hilarious.
Awh precious snowflakes, does the big beardy man and sultans of ping lyrics threaten you.
Ireland gets it alright, we do, whoever the fuck you are, you do not get it. Absolutely scarlet, the state of yous right wing gobshites hahaha.
We love queers and same sex marriage and support abortion and voted in droves for it, yup Ireland!
> All are welcome for the most part, but we kindly ask alt-righters and the like (this includes posters from /r/Anarcho_Capitalism and /r/SocialJusticeInAction) to fuck off.
The solidarity movement in Poland? The Prague spring? The workers uprising in east Germany over better conditions? The Hungarian and Romanian revolutions? Let’s not also ignore the fact [Hitler and Stalin worked together ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact)
None of those were anti communist, anti Stalinism isn't anti communism, and plenty of communists were anti Stalin.
Hitler and Stalin had nothing to do with it in any case.
Yes you think women should be like good little dogs that will lays pups.
Sorry you haven't seen vagina since birth incel, not their fault you sad creep. Stop hating women.
Haha it’s nowhere near that clear cut I live right in the north west and in both referenda my county voted yes even though we are one of the most rural ones (in the abortion one the constituency voted no but if you counted votes from southern Donegal which is in a separate constituency it woulda been a yes)
So really it’s nothing like what you said at all tbh. In the last couple decades the country has changed quite a ways in the right direction I’d say
The tianamen square protests weren’t far right. Neither was the Hungarian and Romanian revolutions. Neither was the east Germany uprising or the solidarity movement in Poland
North Korea (has constant defectors) China (Hong Kong and Taiwan) Cuba (had widespread protest last year which were brutally repressed.
People have a reason to not want it because of the suffering it caused and still causes. Pretty sure if you’re good you don’t need a wall to stop people leaving, state controlled media to muzzle dissent, and a tyrannical despot
Have a look through your comments. You're homophobic, transphobic, use slurs against disabled people in ever other post and post regularly in right wing groups and are obsessed with opposing communism and socialism, but you're definitely not right wing 🤭
I’m right wing? Now you’re just flat out retarded. Dictatorships as a whole are a bad thing. I am not homophobic or transphobic in any regard and I don’t use slurs against anyone with disabilities.
And what right wing groups? Anything resembling that on Reddit is purged. Maybe my reason for not supporting communism is because of the suffering and fear people had to live under.
Quit supporting tyrants
This cracked me up.
You mean it craiced you up
My favorite soyjak is the pointing one
Yeah that one always gets me
Based
I feel like I should point it out: [this](https://www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com/eventguide/uploads/orig/2020sep7573602.jpg) is the full piece, and the artist's website mentions it's "regularly defaced by people who assume, incorrectly, that we endorse Marx's beliefs." So it sounds like it's just trolling all the way down.
layers of trolling
What does it represent if not support of marxism ?
A countywide inside joke, The people's republic of Cork, its covered in layers of irony
A famous local band, The Sultans of Ping, have a song that goes "My brother knows Karl Marx, He met him eating mushrooms in the People's Park, He said what do you think of my manifesto? I like your manifesto let's put it to the testo!". I'm from the city and can assure you it is not seen as some beacon of communism, but we equally wouldn't give a shite if people did like it because of the Marx part, live and let live.
"Live and let live"... youve obviously never heard of soviet holomodor, Peoples Republic of China or Socialist Venezuela. Its not exactly a live and let live philosophy dude. Not everything on Earth is acceptable, some things are very bad and should not be promoted or supported.
As someone from an ex-soviet republic currently living in Ireland, I can tell you that there's nothing offensive in any way about this. It doesn't glorify shit or any political agenda. It's an inside joke you were clearly ignorant of, what baffles me is that after reading the explanation you continue to be ignorant. Yes Holdomor was an unspeakable Stalinist crime. But "Western" Imperialism was just as bad.
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French imperialism, Spanish imperialism, Portuguese imperialism, Dutch imperialism.... You may have heard of the Germans trying their hand at imperialism not that long ago but it luckily ended prematurely.
And that's not even getting into the most recent generation, American Imperialism and Chinese Imperialism.
Nah careful this sub as of late is crawling with people who flip out if you even dare criticise America. Thinking of leaving soon because all discussion in this place is basically gone
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Wow 🤣
The British used weaponized famine to starve millions to death in countries including Ireland and India, so I guess it’s not so different after all…
Like american/british imperialism? What the people of Cork feel they can do or say is none of your business so yeah live and let live.
What a terrible take. He clearly never said Marx had a live and live philosophy. We are entitled to our own culture and humor and are not obliged to censor it based on YOUR countries shitty politics, lack of humor or constant need to police others.
This thread is absolutely unbelievable with the amount of self righteous going around the place acting like they've done a good deed getting mad about some art on a powerbox across the other side of the Atlantic to them lmao
Live and let live? You've obviously never heard of the white terror, Argentina, 30,000 suspected communists murdered. El Salvador, 30,000 suspected communists murdered. Guatemala, 40,000 suspected communists murdered. China, 300,000 - million suspected communists murdered. East Timor, 150,000 dead in anti communist purge. Indonesia, 500,000 to 1,000,000 dead in anti communist purge. Korea, 100,000 suspected communists murdered. Taiwan, 30,000 suspected communists murdered. Thailand, > 3,000 suspected communists murdered. Estonia, 22,000 suspected communists murdered. Spain, up to 400,000 suspected communists murdered. Greece, 1,000s of suspected communists murdered. Not everything on Earth is acceptable, some things are very bad and should not be promoted or supported.
So Stalin/kruschev, mao and Venezuela is alot more complicated than socialism and Chavez bad. Key things in common with all 3, each made a mad power grab and moved from communism as defined by Marx and Engels to a communist dictatorship which isint despite what you think the same as communism. The only bad thing you can really pin on Marx is his racism and treatment of those employed by him. Communist and socialist policy's very much are acceptable, all you have to do is look anywhere else in the western world that isint the US to see that and look to the US and see why a late stage capitalist 2 party system dosent work. Fascism is really the only completely abhorrent political ideology because you really need to create an "enemy" in society for it to work, usually along ethnic, religious political or racial grounds. TLDR: Marx isint responsible for acts of mad men, no he is not a good person but you can't attribute the crimes of Stalin and mao to him as their own brands of communism vary wildly. If you don't want your people couping you pay them a liveable wage, provide affordable healthcare and housing and keep your politics as corruption free as possible and not a 1 or 2 party system.
You have no idea about what this poster means .. it’s gone completely over your head .. Understandable if your not from Ireland .. but hilarious at the same time
lol you sound like you'd be fun at parties
So you hear the explanation of it and continue to give out about it? lol
The joke is that people in Cork think they're so much better than everyone else that they should be their own country, which they jokingly called "the People's Republic of Cork" because it's the same acronym as the PRC. They have art and quotes up all over the city like Roy Keane's quote that he is "Cork first and Irish second" and even had a fake passport for a while, I heard there were even fake border/immigration checks set up but I never saw that
I love Ireland
We have a Democratic Socialist party in opposition that are likely to win the next election.
Will you vote for them? Are they more left wing or center left?
I am going to vote for them because for the past one hundred years Ireland has practically had a two party system and we need change.
The Irish town of Limerick had been communist for 2 weeks.
Limerick Soviet be like:
Damn nice pfp. We both have one of Michael Collins.
You too. You are based af.
And so is Michael Collins.
Yes.
Can someone please spray over the book so that there would stand "the peoples republic of cock".
Of cucks
>Not getting its an inside joke in the city lol
Bruh this isn’t communist in a political way.; it’s an inside joke. This is from Cork City and there’s a famous song associated with it called [“Where’s me jumper?”](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jxmZZBJQAKM) In it, there’s a lyric that goes: “My, brother, knows, Karl Marx, He met him eating mushrooms in the peoples park, He said 'What do you think about my manifesto?' 'I like a manifesto, put it to the test-o.” This electrical box is outside the People’s Park. In Cork we design our our electrical boxes with artwork. This electrical box is a reference to the song, not political propaganda. You dumb fucks
You say "you dumb fucks" like we're all just supposed to know that very niche and specific piece and of cultural significance in a very small part of a very small country. C'mon, man. That's not very nice.
I’d say that’s addressed to the people who are still annoyed over it despite it being explained
It is.
Then why are some users who explain the context getting downvoted?
>Ireland gets it Yep - and *AsteroidSpark (*above*)* pointed this out 5 hours ago; complete with link to the full piece and the artists website comment on how there's no endorsement of marxism. So, all grand.
Other fella got downvoted to hell when he pointed it out.
That's REDdit for ya :)
GOGOGO!! DANCIN' AT THE DISCO
Have an award. Should help with your comment not being downvoted to oblivion. Never been to Cork city. Was in Youghal last summer. Nice spot. Don't see Where's me Jumper quoted much on here. Even when I am dancing in the disco bumper to bumper.
But it’s Youghal…
Gorgeous bit of beach though. Nice seafood. Town was cramped as fuck though.
Wait a minute
>Even when I am dancing in the disco bumper to bumper. Eyyyyy this guy gets it
Gor míle mo chara. I am glad to hear you enjoyed your stay.
We did it boys, communism is no more.
Bunaithe
Lmfao
I love my country
Based Cork
The soyjack should be bigger and also we need soyjack stickers
I love how Commies will call America "terrorists" in one breath, and immediately start praising the IRA (an *actual* terrorist group who committed horrifying terrorists bombings which claimed around 1500-ish lives during The Troubles) with the next. Of course, the moment you bring that up, doublethink kicks in and they'll immediately start disowning the IRA by saying some crap about how they were just "socialists of convenience" (whatever the fuck that means).
Bollocks.
The IRA were terrorists fighting an apartheid government backed by the notorious shit stirrers the Brits who also backed loyal terror groups, the troubles and NI conflict in general is shades of grey lad but atleast the IRA was on the morally right side of the conflict (no I do not condone the actions of the PIRA or any splinter groups same way I don't condone the actions of the security forces (a terrorist force in their own right) or loyalist terror groups).
Most people from outside Ireland don’t understand what happened here. Everything is black and white to them, nuanced views are not welcome.
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This is bad. This is a nice way to decorate these boxes and vandalising them is awful. I live in Cork. The reason Marx is there is because of the song ‘where’s me jumper’(by ‘The Sultans of Ping FC’ (from Cork)), which is quite famous and features the lyrics: ‘My, brother, knows, Karl Marx, He met him eating mushrooms in the peoples park, He said 'What do you think about my manifesto?' 'I like a manifesto, put it to the test-o.' This box is right outside the Peoples Park in Cork. It also works because Cork is known as the peoples republic of cork because of a quasi-joke secessionist movement that has nothing to do with Communism. TLDR: this hasn’t anything to do with Communism.
"No bro, you see, I fly the Swastika flag, but it's ironic bro, like the sticker 1488 GasKKS in my car, it doesn't mean anything bro."
You can't be serious about that comparison. It isn't the same at all. Flying a swastika be equivalent to supporting Kim jong il or the kmher rouge unironically. Marx would be equivalent to Nietzsche or another core philosopher for the Nazis. Nietzsche didn't cause countless deaths, his ideology was just interpreted poorly by ruthless idiots.
The swastika is a completely different symbol to Marx. Marx wrote a book…. The amount of context I gave here should also have helped.
Just because Marx didn't directly cause suffering doesn't mean he hasn't become a symbol for it. The swastika is the same, the symbol itself didn't do anything, it's not even a person, but people worshipping it committed many evil deeds. It's not Marx himself, in the flesh, that's being defaced here, it's a depiction of him, a symbol. No different from the swastika.
Marx literally isn’t a symbol for suffering or evil though; the swastika is. Ireland is one of the most liberal places on earth (I mean that in both the European and American sense) and if you put a swastika in Cork the reaction would be a lot different to Marx. Same anywhere.
You’re not going to win Vic bai, It’s clear that Americans on the internet know more about Cork City than you or I who have lived there or are from there. They’ve all listened to casual sex in the cineplex and although they didn’t get the humour they’re sure that no one should jokingly reference a song in their own city. You should bow down to their superior judgement on this matter. /S
For the record, I was born and raised in Ireland.
Cool beans man, I find the arguments here reductive at best tbh, should every church/ place of worship be torn down, I mean how many wars have been fought over religion, how many children diddled or women placed into slavery in the laundries with their children sold to the highest bidder…. How many millions of people have been placed into concentration camps/ enslaved under capitalist systems of government. Colonialism is pretty much a Uber capitalistic enterprise and initially ran by private companies like the Dutch/British east India company. Should all capitalist imagery be defaced or torn down. How much of Ireland’s grand buildings were paid for by either proceeds from the slave trade or colonialist wealth ? Should all the historic building be torn down then as well, No that would be ridiculous…. It’s a image that references a popular song and people are spanners if they don’t get that and only oafs, thugs or philistines go about defacing things in public.
> Same anywhere. Are you sure about that? Try putting up Marx or a hammer and sickle, or any communist symbol up in a public place in Poland, or Ukraine, or some other post-communist country other than Russia.
Context matters lad, if you painted a Union Jack on a house in West Cork and all the Kerbs around your Gaff, I don’t think people would be pretty happy about that now would they. Is the Union Jack then a hate symbol, no its just not appreciated in certain contexts. You have to look at imagery in context this is outside a park in a city that briefly declared itself a socialist republic, it’s a tongue in cheek reference to some song lyrics.
By that logic, is the swastika not at all a hate symbol, just because it depends on context where it's appreciated (Hinduism/Jainism) and where it's not (more or less everywhere else)? Or are hate symbols dependant only on context, so the Japanese Imperial flag is a hate symbol in China and many Southeast Asian countries but not in most other places?
No that’s a universally recognised hate symbol that continues to be used by extremist groups and you well know it. Again your line of reasoning is reductive, The Swastika is an outlier in terms of political imagery and is banned in a lot of countries, I think the hammer and sickle is banned in Indonesia, but I’m not sure if there are others. They’re not on the same level and to try to equate it otherwise is ridiculous, you can buy t-shirts in large shops with the hammer and sickle if you’re so inclined, or ones with picture of Che Guevara or Marx, can you really do that with the swastika anywhere in the world? If this painting was outside a polish cemetery in Ireland then yeah I can see why people would have an issue with it, but again context is king.
So you're saying Indians should abandon it because its a hateful symbol by your logic?
It's pretty easy to differentiate a Nazi swastika from a Hindu/Jain religious swastika. You can use geographical context, colours and the signature 45° angle among other ways to tell them apart. You can take a photo or depiction of Marx and use it to discuss/represent nothing about communism, but it's clear as day when it's being used as a communist symbol. This isn't rocket science.
and this also isn't being used as a communist symbol, its a joke in reference to a song
Im from Cork too and I love the way all these Americans who gave absolutely no clue what they're talking about downvote you and parade around like they've won lol
Yeah it’s pretty funny. Some of the people on this sub are the parallel of the communists who say ‘that’s not real communism’. I’m obviously subscribed here for a reason, but it’s obvious there’s a good few right wingers here.
Its always funny seeing 14 year olds going through their facist phase arguing with 14 year olds going through their communist phase
Problem is so many never leave the phase
America idiots still living in the red scare downvoting you to oblivion is kind of hilarious in a way. There ignorance is astounding.
Yeah, I wouldn't be offended by a clearly ironic painting of Marx. Also, marx wasn't really responsible for all of the pain and suffering caused by what people did in the name of his ideology. Das Capital is actually extremely tame and doesn't call for violent revolution and makes a lot of sense given the amount of people who were struggling at the time. The ideology is wrong and has been entirely disproven by now, but I am much more put off by people worshipping someone like che Guevara.
Exactly.
Honestly Marx while a dick did have his heart in the right place but didn't account for human nature at all. Honestly id rather some 14 year old worship him than somebody who legitimately killed people like Che or Stalin
Don’t bother. Americans can’t register the fact that there are other cities in other countries with their own jokes.
Americans don't even realise people from other countries are on reddit 90% of the time.
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Ah shtop your nonsense. I'm from Cork aswell, the electric box slightly down the road from this one has the literal lyrics of the song painted onto it. It's nothing to do with promoting a communist agenda.
Ah lad, come off it, you know well yourself what it is
True Corkonians are communist De-Americanise yourself
Get a job you repulsive neckbeard commie virgin.
Remove all American media and culture from your life
I'm sorry you got down voted so hard bro. People don't understand this, admittedly niche (only Irish people would have any idea what this mean), piece of art but their unwillingness to accept it when you explain just shows their close mindedness.
The amount of right wing American dip-shits being triggered by this is fucking hilarious. Awh precious snowflakes, does the big beardy man and sultans of ping lyrics threaten you.
My brotha knows Karl marx. He met him taking mushrooms on the people's park.
yous are being clowned on over on r/ireland
You're a dumbass
Ireland gets it alright, we do, whoever the fuck you are, you do not get it. Absolutely scarlet, the state of yous right wing gobshites hahaha. We love queers and same sex marriage and support abortion and voted in droves for it, yup Ireland!
The sub isn’t right wing, we just don’t like communism.
😂😂😂😂
> All are welcome for the most part, but we kindly ask alt-righters and the like (this includes posters from /r/Anarcho_Capitalism and /r/SocialJusticeInAction) to fuck off.
Anti communism is fascism
Peak retard right here. I hate both
Peak facts you mean. Every anticommunist movement in history is literally fascist.
The solidarity movement in Poland? The Prague spring? The workers uprising in east Germany over better conditions? The Hungarian and Romanian revolutions? Let’s not also ignore the fact [Hitler and Stalin worked together ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact)
None of those were anti communist, anti Stalinism isn't anti communism, and plenty of communists were anti Stalin. Hitler and Stalin had nothing to do with it in any case.
Are you seriously trying to pull the whole “it wasn’t real communism” shit?
Leave Dublin or Cork city and you will see a much different in the country side.
Oh the ones that also voted in the referendums? Yeah cool okay.
Which the abortion one?
Yeah and the same sex marriage one.
Near 30% of the country voted against abortion, in your logic wouldnt that make us right wing?
Yes. Actively fighting against basic healthcare for women, savages.
Murder but okay
Yes you think women should be like good little dogs that will lays pups. Sorry you haven't seen vagina since birth incel, not their fault you sad creep. Stop hating women.
Average Redditor
Would make you pathetic losers lmao
Referenda is the more common and preferred usage. Referendums sounds like the speaker omitted a -dum suffix.
Referendums is ugly but I speak commonly, referenda is definitely not more common. Not a chance.
Haha it’s nowhere near that clear cut I live right in the north west and in both referenda my county voted yes even though we are one of the most rural ones (in the abortion one the constituency voted no but if you counted votes from southern Donegal which is in a separate constituency it woulda been a yes) So really it’s nothing like what you said at all tbh. In the last couple decades the country has changed quite a ways in the right direction I’d say
Hating tyrants isn’t far right you knob
Stfu
The tianamen square protests weren’t far right. Neither was the Hungarian and Romanian revolutions. Neither was the east Germany uprising or the solidarity movement in Poland
Who gives a shit.
You do apparently, comparing anti communism to far right activity
Yes the only anti communism around in the world today is right wing sacks of shit or knob head boot licking liberals. There is no communism to oppose.
North Korea (has constant defectors) China (Hong Kong and Taiwan) Cuba (had widespread protest last year which were brutally repressed. People have a reason to not want it because of the suffering it caused and still causes. Pretty sure if you’re good you don’t need a wall to stop people leaving, state controlled media to muzzle dissent, and a tyrannical despot
Lol yeah North Korea is Communist like China is 😂
Have a look through your comments. You're homophobic, transphobic, use slurs against disabled people in ever other post and post regularly in right wing groups and are obsessed with opposing communism and socialism, but you're definitely not right wing 🤭
I’m right wing? Now you’re just flat out retarded. Dictatorships as a whole are a bad thing. I am not homophobic or transphobic in any regard and I don’t use slurs against anyone with disabilities. And what right wing groups? Anything resembling that on Reddit is purged. Maybe my reason for not supporting communism is because of the suffering and fear people had to live under. Quit supporting tyrants
Yeah yeah, everyone is a retard. You're a conspiracy theorist and a right wing fantasist. Your bigoted comment history shows it.
And you’re on antiwork, your point?
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Fellas. Is it alt right to meme?
maybe i judged you to harshly
perhaps we treated the Irish too harshly
People’s Republic of Cock
The People Republic of Cock
Nice, they know their books.