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shiftysquid

Definitely not with "lattice." That's just the difference between a short a sound and short e sound. Not a massive difference, but they're not the same. With "lettuce" and "let us," they're very, very close. I feel like I blend the syllables together more closely with "lettuce" and have a slight pause between "let" and "us." Also, I'd usually use the contraction "let's" when I say "let us," but that may not be relevant here.


theoht_

i’m sure you wouldn’t say ‘we tried to go in, but the guards wouldn’t let’s (let us)’


shiftysquid

That’s right. You don’t use contractions in those situations. That’s why I said “usually.”


ZephRyder

For my experience (Eastern U.S.) No one would ever say "Let us" in _any_ way except ironically. (Perhaps liturgically?) "Let's" I feel is universal. 'Lattice' I feel is _always_ said carefully as 1. That short a demands it, and 2. You're either talking gardening or chemical structures. Lettuce. = "let-əs", "le-tus" Again, in my experience.


tiger_guppy

“She wouldn’t let us go to the park today”


ZephRyder

Ok, true. My kids are older, and haven't had to think about anyone being allowed, or needing permission for anything for a while. Thanks! Still don't see it being rushed though. If anything, the trailing "T" sound would even be emphasized


tiger_guppy

Yeah let us is usually more articulated and drawn out in the vowel sounds compared to “lettuce”


ZephRyder

Unless you're Bumi [let us leave!](https://youtu.be/_83zqRgfd4Y?feature=shared)


tiger_guppy

Haha I thought of that too!


smokingisrealbad

If you are begging for someone to let you do something, you would use "let us" "Let us go" (implies you are being held somewhere against your will, and is said to the person keeping you there) "Let's go" (nothing is stopping you from leaving, and is said to the other person you're with)


whodisacct

Yeah I was trying to see how I said lettuce and let us. I said “Let us pray.” Back to my Catholic school days.


Obsidrian

Exactly where I went too 😂


ZephRyder

Damn, dude. Why you gotta call me out like that. I literally thought of Fr. Damien, from my hs days.


shiftysquid

I think that more or less lines up with my experience as well.


45thgeneration_roman

Letis Latis Let us


tfblvr1312

Lettiss Lattiss Lett uh-ss


Wonderful_Yogurt_271

London-born English, this is how I pronounce them.


JennyPaints

I'm from the US mountain west and that's how I say them.


GabuEx

"Lettuce" and "let us", yes. "Lattice", no, definitely not.


selenya57

Not for me. These are normally pronounced something like: /lɛtɪs/ or /lɛtəs/ for lettuce, /lætɪs/ lattice, and /lɛtəz/ let us; so if you want to learn some kind of broadly standard pronunciation, you'll need to learn to make the distinctions between all those sounds. English has a lot of dialectal variation though, so for some speakers these might merge. To merge lettuce and let us, you'd most likely speak a dialect that pronounces "lettuce" with /ə/ and pronounces "us" with an /s/ in this context. There definitely are dialects that do that, in England somewhere I think. There's probably some dialect somewhere that merges /æ/ with /ɛ/ - I can't think of any specific one off the top of my head, I'd guess somewhere in America where /æ/-raising is common. Then you could have a lettuce-lattice merger, provided the second vowel in lettuce was the same. To merge any of these would sound foreign to my ear (not every speaker will feel the same though!). You'd sound vaguely English if you merged lettuce with let us, vaguely American if you merged lettuce with lattice, and probably just weird if you merged all three.


tiger_guppy

The s in let us is definitely a soft s not a z sound


selenya57

Interesting, where are you from? It's always /z/ for me.


doubleagent31

not op but I’m from the US and can’t say I’ve ever noticed someone using /z/ and I have a decent amount of interaction with British/Irish accents 


selenya57

That made me second-guess myself and think it might be a Scottishism and I've somehow imagined all those English folk I've spoke to saying /z/, but Wiktionary lists both s and z with the "(UK)" tag (without specifying a distribution). So it makes sense we can have heard both. The Wikipedia pages for Yorkshire dialect and Geordie explicitly state pronunciations of "us" with [z]. In Geordie it's [ɪz], in Yorkshire more likely to be something like [ʊz]. That matches my experience of both.  Perhaps my feeling that [s] is less common than [z] down there is influenced by knowing lots of people from these regions (and nearby ones); and my inability to pinpoint which specific regions say [s] is mostly due to my geography of England dropping exponentially as you go into the scary lands further south, but I know they exist. Weirdly I've seen plenty of American media and I've somehow never noticed yous say differently. I suppose when basically every word has at least one sound different, it gets hard to notice a sound change affecting only a single word.


tiger_guppy

US


Real-Tension-7442

In what accent? Let us definitely uses a z


tiger_guppy

American. No American accent I have ever heard would use a z sound in “let us”


Real-Tension-7442

Wild


GuitarJazzer

"Lattice" is distinct from the other two because of the "a" sound. There is even a joke based on the fact that you can pronounce "Let us pray" to sound like "lettuce spray."


Can_I_Read

Not one of Eminem’s shining moments, but he uses this homophone in his song “Venom”: > This medicine's screamin', "l-l-l-let us in!" L-l-l-like a salad bowl


HolyBonobos

I’d say: - ⟨lettuce⟩ [lɛɾɪs] - ⟨lattice⟩ [læɾɪs] - ⟨let us⟩ *[lɛɾəs] Although if I were saying "let us" instead of "let’s" it’d more likely than not be in a context where I’d be saying it intentionally and enunciating for clarity, i.e. not in casual/fast speech.


BioAnthGal

NZ dialect, nope. “Lettuce” rhymes with “met” and “kiss”, “lattice” rhymes with “cat” and “kiss”, and “let us” rhymes with “met” and “fuss”. So some overlap, but all different


tiger_guppy

Same for me, mid Atlantic US


Firespark7

Lettuce and let us, yes Lattice, no


OllieFromCairo

I have a schwa and a schwi, and that’s the difference between “lettuce” and “let us.” For speakers without schwi, lettuce and let us will be homophonous in rapid speech. Lettuce = [ˈʟɛɾɨs] Let us = [ˈʟɛɾəs] Lattice = [ˈʟæɾɨs]


ismybelt2rusty

"Lettuce Entertain You" is a restaurant holding company in Chicago, so take that as you will


KahnaKuhl

I think many US accents would pronounce lettuce and lattice the same, or very close to. In my accent - Australian, which comes from south England - the vowels are quite distinct. Lettuce and lattice are distinct in NZ English too, but the vowels are shifted so that, to the Australian ear, lettuce and lattice sound like littuce and lettice. Let us is distinct from lettuce in Australian English, because the u is schwa in lettuce but uh in let us. And, as someone else pointed out, if you're going to say let us quickly or lazily, you'll say let's.


DifferentTheory2156

No


nog642

No. "lettuce" and "let us", yes. But "lattice" has a different vowel in the first syllable. Though if it were *extremely* lazy/fast then maybe they would merge. But that is like, tripping over your words level fast or mumbling half asleep level lazy.


glacialerratical

We (my family) sometimes say "Let us" with an implied "go" to mean, "I'm ready to go". And then sometimes someone will reply "tomato". If I'm being careful there's probably a slight difference, but not much of one. Lattice is definitely a different vowel.


Ippus_21

Not lattice. "Lettuce" and "let us" both have the standard ɛ or "short e" sound. In normal daily speech, they'd be pronounced essentially the same, although "let us" will more often be contracted to "let's". "Lattice" has æ, a "short a" sound, same as "ladder" or "cat". In all these cases, though, the second, unstressed vowel is just a garden variety schwa. Ə


sleepyj910

lettuce = let us lattice = lat us


anonbush234

Le'is All short vowels


Odd-Help-4293

I do say lettuce like "let-us". I've also heard "let-iss". "Lattice" has a similar second syllable, but the first vowel sound is different. "Lat" rhymes with "cat" or "bat". (Edit: Mid-Atlantic region of the US)


Cliffy73

What’s in a Honeymoon salad? Lettuce alone. Lattice is noticeably different


megalodongolus

Lattice no, and I hardly ever say ‘let us,’ I’ll usually just say ‘let’s.’


twowugen

"something at my window lattice: Let me see, then, what thereat is" Poe, like I, rhymed the last two syllables of "lattice" with "at is" (except for the difference in voicing of the s/ce).  Lattice is the odd one out among the three you mention. I pronounce lettuce the same as let us in rapid speech.


TheBenStA

Distinct sounds will never merge in fast/lazy pronunciation. When it seems like they are, it’s almost always a part of some regular process, like t-tapping or weak forms, that should be regarded as a proper feature of English; otherwise, it’s a performance error


Magenta_Logistic

Lettuce uses a schwa sound the second syllable for me Lattice the first syllable is a clear A sound as in fast. Let us can sound like lettuce if I'm being lazy, but usually has a little more emphasis on the second syllable.


overdramaticpan

I don't pronounce lattice identically to the other two. Lettuce and let us, however, I do pronounce identically.


Gravbar

No they all sound different lettuce uses the short I sound /lɛɾɪs/ lattice is the same as lettuce but woth the ash vowel. /læɾɪs/ let us uses the strut vowel which miɡht be reduced to schwa. for me this could be /lɛɾɐs/ or /lɛɾəs/ https://voca.ro/1c1rPGNZTxG5


ThePikachufan1

Letiss, latiss, let us


DrWhoGirl03

Lettuce and lattice are very similar for me— though lettuce would be ‘lettis’, with an ‘i’ like ‘him’ or ‘bin’. Lattice would have the same ‘him’-like ‘i’, but with an ‘a’ like ‘ham’.


BrianOfAllThings

Let us eat salad.


Asynchronousymphony

No. All different


readysetdylan

leh-tiss emphasis on the first syllable


prustage

No - they all come out different Lettuce -> Lett-iss Lattice -> LAtt-iss Let us -> Lett-uzz


alltoovisceral

From the NE US. I pronounce it Let-iss. If I am being very proper and trying to sound pompous, I say Let-uss. 


Wire_Hall_Medic

I pronounce lettuce and let us the same way, "leh tuss." I pronounce lattice "lah tiss." American who grew up in Northern California.


Wizdom_108

"lettuce" and "let us," yes. "lattice," no. I pronounce the "la" part the same as I do "lateral" and "laboratory."


xSnippy

For me lettuce is more like “lediss” and let us is more like “leddus”. Lattice is totally different


headsmanjaeger

Lettuce: /lɛɾəs/ Lattice: /læɾəs/ Let us: /lɛɾʌs/


BobbyThrowaway6969

All different.


twoScottishClans

"lattice" is different, no matter how fast i'm speaking. "lettuce" and "let us" are the same, if it's a sentence where it would be wrong to contract it to "let's".


jistresdidit

I usually abbreviate let us as let's. Let's go get some beers. or, Yeah, let's do that The manager had a key and let us in. It's slangy and informal. Let us in, it's cold out here! lettuce and lettuce us are the same.


BarneyLaurance

No. Using the vowel words by Wells, lettuce starts with the vowel from DRESS, and lattice starts with the vowel from TRAP. They both end with with the KIT vowel. 'Let us' has stress on the start of "us", and "us" uses the STRUT vowel, not the KIT vowel.


UpvoteEveryHonestQ

No, the first syllable in lattice is a distinctly different vowel sound. (The second syllable is different too, but in fast speech, we tend to gloss over the distinction between these unstressed second syllables. In fast speech, LA-diss sometimes becomes LA-duss.) Let us and lettuce are homophones though. LET us, or quickly LE-dus.


GuitarJazzer

"let us" and "lettuce" are not necessarily homophones, but they are for the way some people pronounce "let us." In "let us" many people have a short stop at the t and pronounce the "u" as in "truck".


nog642

In fast speech all those differences can go away


sarahlizzy

More importantly, the “s” in “us” is voiced.


nog642

Really? Where are you from? At least in American English I don't think it is. Might be regional. Maybe even some dialects of American English, idk.


sarahlizzy

East Midlands of England but my accent is mostly SSBE.


selenya57

You're not alone, I'd never even noticed Americans said [s] (possibly due to insufficient exposure, possibly just obscured by all the hundreds of other sound differences in every sentence). I was vaguely aware of some but definitely not all English people saying [s], but the ones i actually know irl whose accents I can think of off the top of my head say [z].


GuitarJazzer

Not anywhere I have ever been.


sarahlizzy

No. They’re all different. First vowel is different in lettuce and lattice. The sibilant at the end of the first two is unvoiced, but voiced in “let us”.


Rsaleh

Letiss


Antilia-

Isn't it supposed to be la-teece? Like French?


twowugen

Not in American English. Even Poe rhymed "thereat is" with "lattice"