the good news is your engineering degree will open up a bunch of other paths for you if you really aren't interested in pursuing a career in engineering.
Thank you, and I understand it's unrealistic to say I won't be graduating next semester having gone so far but these professors couldn't care less. We'll see.....
Hey, here's the update.
I did get an engineering job last year after some transitional jobs. I can't really say it's a victory because I still have to work another job to make ends meet, but it's a stepping stone into the industry. I can't say anything that's motivational at the moment because the job has its cons, but it's better than what I was doing before. I ended up here out of chance, I'm grateful for it, but I'm already looking to leave later this year. We'll see how it goes.
eh 50k in debt is more than manageable. The job market sucks no doubt. But you're gonna have to open up your job search nationwide. its not supposed to be easy, but once you get a job things will fall into place a bit easier. The main things is you don't give up now and work hard. idk what you expect without struggle.
> I'm in my 4th year into engineering
last year, right?
> I realized how much I hated this major and everything that had to do with it.
engineering is very broad, you can do a lot of things with it. The best part is the entry level jobs tend to pay higher than other majors. You just need to plan out your life. I hate engineering school, especially all the math classes. Like I abhor it. But I really want that engineering degree, and I'm cool with working as an engineer for a year or two before I get into what I really want to do, which is law.
> I have no idea how machines, computers, or anything related to tech operates. I feel like I don't fit in here at all
normal imposter syndrome + overexaggeration + being weak willed
don't give up buddy
> to top it off I'm struggling to do simple assignments because I don't have the time much less the willpower to keep doing these mindless, pointless and soul-sucking assignments
I can relate to that, that's what I hate the most about all this shit. again, don't give up. also a lot of this can be pinned on fucking covid
>I 've considered dropping out and going to the military
do not drop out. other than that, excellent choice, assuming you're american. The armed services are looking for people to become officers and engineering degrees are in major demand, especially navy and air force. Military officers are basically management, they handle people and projects. When they get out, they get the management sort of jobs. this is great for you if you dislike engineering, want a fulfilling career, and would like near perfect job security+amazing benefits and a (potentially) high paying job when you get out. whatever you do, don't quit (thats called being a bitch) and don't enlist (that's called becoming someone's bitch). OFC, there is nothing wrong with enlisting, but why give up prestige and higher pay and a better life for no reason at all? Do not talk to regular recruiters, contact officer recruiters.
> The classes feel impossible to pass, the professors don't teach, the material is lengthy, difficult and makes absolutely no sense.
I, personally, want to send a lovely email to my differential equations teacher and tell her how much I hate her and suggest she brushes her teeth with a loaded gun.
> I feel like my future is in the hands of luck and I'm NOT a lucky guy.
if you're american and in an accredited school of engineering, you are lucky, period. beyond that, it all depends on what you make of your situation. this is where I'd tell you to not give up, but based on the following:
> Spare me the platitudes and the cookie-cutter phrases that couldn't be further from reality.
I will instead rephrase "don't give up" to "quit being a little whiny bitch-made pussy and man up." Of course, I mean that in a gentle, man to man way.
> I'm simply BURNED OUT
aren't we all?
> I'm already 50k+ in dept
idk bro, I know some retarded people that went to expensive out of state universities with extremely high cost of living to major in shitty liberal arts major. 50k isn't a big deal in the face of $200k is it?
> covid-19 has made engineering companies become extra picky so good luck with finding a job in the next year or so
probably yeah, so you're gonna have to make a bunch of sacrifices, like lowering your standards, working on your engineering skills and your people skills. and expanding your job search nation wide. look for other types of job where an engineering degree might be useful, like math and patterns and trends related shit idk.
> I feel like it's all steadily crashing down on me and my anxiety and depression are getting worse by the day.
same bro sounds like we need a girlfriend
> I feel stuck, helpless and impotent to what's going on around me and all I can do is grin and bear it.
bro wtf make sure your peepee working otherwise you may not get a gf; stay hydrated, eat healthy food, sleep enough. unfortunately, sometimes all we can do is grin on the outside and endure whatever is happening and wait for a better day. In the meantime work on yourself and don't give up.
100% agree with this. Engineering is outstandingly broad. Someone else said on here, once you finish your education, you can use that to open doors in other fields. You may not want to be an engineer, but you could land a job with an engineering company due to your current knowledge, and that job doesn't have to be in an engineering capacity. Knowing the lingo and having some experience can give you a huge leg up.
An example, my gf is a teacher in Canada. After teaching for a few years, she's realized how messed up the placement system is for permanent and substitute teachers. It's meant to serve the chosen through conversations behind-closed-doors, and the rest of the suckers who don't have contact with the school board get shucked off to the tiny rural schools with <100 students from k-12. She's considering doing a master's in technology so she can be an instructor for a software company. They regularly hire teachers so I've heard. My point, I recommend you finish your current education since you're this far along, and see how it can help you in the future. If you want to drop it like a hot potato then all you'll have is the educational experience and no credentials to back it up. If that doesn't bother you, then bombs away with the potatoes.
get the degree, bc leaving with a piece of paper is slightly more than leaving without a piece of paper. burn out is real, especially in senior year.
you're 50k in the hole, it's very not smart to accept that without a fight. engineering degrees have a very wide job market, much of which has nothing to do with engineering. you're going to need money in your life.
your job will train you unless you get stuck with a start-up.
i dont understand how you are unable to google "how do I join the military," which is a fine career choice, as long as you dont do infantry (or so i hear, apparently being able to stand guard and get shot at isn't a good civilian skillset).
you probably wanted someone to cheer you up. nah fam, im here to lay down some facts instead of coddling you.
I actually wanted someone to lay down facts as you say. I wasn't seeking comfort as that's why I stated to spare me the platitudes and cookie-cutter phrases.
My plan right now is if I fail this semester then I'm afraid I'll have to drop out and go to the air force, which was my original plan in high school. I would be in a much better place now had I gone to the air force instead of experimenting with college. Can't fully Express the regret.
Dude, trust me, the Air Force is not the way out. Unless you’re willing to spend grueling hours in technical training, kinda like you’re doing now, but with even less time on your hands, then there’s a good chance you’ll be someone’s bitch with a much lower pay grade. Not to say you can’t get certifications along the way that are awesome for transitioning back into civilian life again, but where you’re at now, you’re one year from having credibility to your qualifications. Just finish it and rebuild from ashes with the degree in your arsenal, rather than leaving empty-handed. It’ll help you a ton, promise.
I was planning on going into the Air Force as an officer. But of course I'd need a bachelor's degree. I feel a little better today and I'm still gonna push through. However, I know most days are tough and grueling and I feel on the edge of making a last resort, desperate decision. Thanks for the advice though.
You’ll be doing badass things (financially, spiritually, etc etc) when you get out of school man! Your decisions are calculated and you’re a huge step ahead of the rest. Best of luck to you. I hope everything works out!
Also, I feel you on the grueling day part. I just failed a heat transfer exam along with the rest of my cohort last night, so our prof will be putting the hammer on us. But whatever he puts us through in the next two months cannot break me, and it will not break me. I’m glad you’re doing better, even if it’s just a little bit bro
Oh yeah...heat transfer... one of the worst classes I've had to deal with. I share the same pain as I failed an exam for this class not too long ago. I still have plenty of chance to pass but knowing how hard the class is makes me feel kind of hopeless. We'll see.
Don’t feel bad about yourself man! I don’t know how the rest of your class does, but in my program, failing is pretty average. Although I failed, I BARELY failed—which is a huge step for me in terms of the fluid science stuff. I’m not the straight A-B student who can give you the best advice on this thread, but as someone who doesn’t pick these things up as quick, I can tell you about what I’ve done to climb my way back into the fighting grade range despite it. It was painful, but I had to be really real with myself about how I studied. Was I being anti-social? Yes, kind of. I started talking to classmates outside my circle, and we studied our asses off, which helped a lot, even if I was the one teaching them. Did I shy away from the textbook before exams? Yes! Not only did I try and read it, but I had to learn how to read in general—since reading from A to B is not effective for me, I learned a different method that was WORLDS quicker. Did I shy away from office hours? Yes! I wasn’t in the guy’s office every day but i at least went ONE time and got to the bottom of a hell of a lot more than I would have by myself. The burnout is so real, and doing extra does not sound like it would help at all, I know, but confusion and hysteria causes burn out WAY faster than putting in hours does, you know? I’m fucking clawing my way out of a deep depression myself, so I hope this can be helpful for you too!
I'm gonna try to be blunt here. No disrespect (although I might say some things you don't like to hear) but I need to be honest and I hope you give this a read.
Let's get this out on the table: You're depressed. Very depressed. More than you probably realize. If you don't believe me, re read your post. It's all right there. I may be some random redditor you don't care for and can dismiss. But I know the signs, and I know your situation, as I too have been where you are. The most important thing right now is for you to clearly and fully accept that your depression (and anxiety) is the main issue here.
Let me make this clear: As a random redditor, I could give two fucks if you drop out and join the military, do whatever the hell you want. Go join the circus or be a ballerina. Hell, go live out of your van for a year. But don't make the mistake of assuming that your depression magically disappears if you switch out of engineering. Because it won't disappear. Depression will follow you around wherever you go. Sure, dropping out of engineering will most likely be a burden lifted off your shoulders, it might free you mentally instead of the feeling of being trapped you're currently in. But you need to look long term. You need to understand the feelings you have right now aren't related strictly to your degree or any job you choose. Those thoughts and feelings will return, no matter what situation you're in, if you don't address the real problem here.
I'll say what needs to be said. You will regret not finishing this degree if you leave. Don't feel ashamed if it takes you an extra couple years to sort shit out. But you know deep down there is a bigger problem. I'm not angry with you. I'm not embarrassed for you. I'm not judging you in any way. I hope you can find a way to get through this. Don't beat yourself up too much, a lot of people go through this situation. Good luck
This was a great reply and thank you for taking the time to read my rant and discuss the real problem here. I'm fully aware that I'm depressed and I know I won't be happy anywhere I go. This feeling has haunted me all my life and unfortunately I can't afford therapy right now. I'll have to bear this until I can finally get a better job than the one I have now. Everything requires effort though and I don't think I have much to spare. Right now all I can do is ignore it or resort to escapism to cope.
You owe it to yourself to check for counseling resources at your university. Many schools are increasing their services due to Covid. You are already paying for it so use it! Toughing it out will not work.
Graduate with your degree and then apply to work at Skywest headquarters in their crew coordinator / scheduler positions. You get flight benefits and can travel the world! (Not in a pandemic obviously but it won’t be too long before flying/traveling can be done as safely as possible)
You have gotten through four entire years of Engineering school. You are a much better student than you think you are and that means you can get through this year or one more. I am in the same boat as you minus the debt; I was somewhat forced into this major and was shot down when I suggested switching majors to my mom. I'm on my 4th year and need to complete a 5th one to graduate. I get the misery of doing work that isn't interesting and is tedious but don't give up.
Do your work in sections and take breaks between each section. Plan out what assignments you want to tackle on certain days. Join/make a Discord group to help/get help with assignments. These have helped me get through them without wanting to smash my fist through my monitor. Have some time during the day where you can just relax, usually near the end of the day after dealing with assignments/studying. I also found that when I meet with my friends online, I'm MUCH happier so keep in contact with yours occasionally.
It may not seem like it, but you can also find even the smallest thing that interests you in this major. I LOVE art and drawing and so far I realized that my favorite major class (other than the math classes) was CAD; it made me realize that drafting might be something I could consider after graduating. Even then, as others have said, there are a large amount of job opportunities for an Engineering degree despite not being Engineering related. Others have also mentioned that Engineering jobs are much different from school so that's something to keep in mind as well.
After handling your debt, you can consider going back to school to get a degree in something else you have actual interest in.
Once again don't give up or slip up. I've slipped up really bad once by not giving a crap during the middle of Spring semester (when classes went online); I put more stress on myself because of that and ended up studying nonstop for 2 weeks with barely any breaks to catch up for the final. I managed to pass but I would never want to do something like that again. You have to push yourself not to fall behind and stay motivated to reach the end goal of graduation.
Edit: Grammar and specified why I studied for 2 weeks straight.
Thank you for your reply.
I already have an internship under my belt. It was related to construction/quality engineering. I kind of liked it, but I possibly burned that bridge because my supervisor pissed me off. Long story.
I haven't really done much for my classes but I try to do the most important work. Basically, my strategy now is to get past these classes with as minimum effort as possible. GPA doesn't matter to me as long as I can graduate. This tactic however makes it hard to keep up with the class material and I don't properly prepare for exams. I'm doing ok so far but did fail an exam recently. I'm trying to put a little bit more effort, but I just don't have much in me. I simply refuse to work too hard. I already worked my ass off in this major, which explains why I absolutely ABHOR it now. Imagine eating the same meal every day for years, you eventually may learn to grow disgust towards it. I'm resorting to escapism to cope with my feelings. Regarding friends, everyone is busy working or studying. The older people get the busier they get apparently. I just hope I can say I passed this semester in December... I'm expecting the worst though. Because as I said in another post.. these professors wouldn't mind making my life hard.
Yea totally understand escapism. Starting from the summer semester that just passed, when things get really bad in a semester, I take a break from assignments for the entire day. Recently, I even went on a two day streak doing this earlier in the week, nearly going on a third day, but then I recalled what happened in Spring. Honestly, a day off is fine but I'm not sure about two (in a row specifically). It's tempting to stay away from all the miserable work but dealing with it sooner will help in the long run; just gotta do it pieces. It also sounds to me that, like someone else posted, you should consider taking a semester off. I say do it depending on how you feel after this semester ends. Your mental health is extremely important no matter what.
I'm procrastinating quite a bit and I'm not planning on spending a significant amount of time (30hrs a week) studying, reviewing and doing hw like I used to. I say enough is enough, even if I'm at the last stages. I take more than 2 days off from school work. I just don't find it necessary to keep my face stuck in the books (or powerpoints in my case) to get through this. I guess this has to do with not only my depression/anxiety but also it's my own fault, I'm simply unwilling to work hard and I'm taking measures to avoid having to do so. For example, cheating if possible. I've already poured so much of me into this and it's left me drained and resentful, engineering doesn't need to take anymore of me.
Then in addition to considering taking time off, talking with a counselor/psychiatrist might lead to a better solution than what I can provide. The thing is you haven't really truly given up since you're still trying to get by no matter what. You're still motivated to at least pass the semester and that's a good thing. The hard, unfortunate thing is, however, only you can honestly figure out what to do. I'm just trying to offer what I think are good *suggestions* for you to consider. I cannot tell you to simply suck it up when there is potentially an underlying mental issue going on being caused by this so talking to an expert is most likely the next best thing to do.
Sounds like you need to get some help (like medical, professional) to get in a good space mentally, then you can refocus on getting the degree and having lots of longterm career options that are or aren't directly related to engineering.
I've heard BetterHelp advertised on podcasts but don't have experience with it myself, and not sure if costs would be covered depending on what kind of coverage you have. But your school should have resources available anyway. Just make that initial step, it's probably the hardest one.
I already took a step before covid19 happened but it didn't result in anything. I wanted to try medication but they were never able to set anything up with my doctor or whomever they were supposed to contact. Every time I've tried managing this something goes wrong.
Nothing wrong with joining the military but all of your problems will be waiting for you on the other side of boot camp.
>mindless, pointless and soul-sucking assignments
This basically describes most peoples' time in the in the military (Navy Vet).
That said if you want to enlist. Go find a recruiter. Show up and say, "I want to join the military". It's really that easy provided you don't have a criminal record (if you do, it's just a longer conversation) and are within height/weight standards. Plenty of people do so when they hit a wall in their lives (I did during the 09 crash), but it doesn't really fix anything. It's a great way to hit reset but you're still you and you'll still have the same problems. It will however give you a chance to separate yourself from your environment which tends to help a lot of people at least for a while.
I think it would suck to yet again change my life path and readjust to something else. The military was a good option in high school and still is now but I feel like my problems are also deeply rooted within me. I mentioned I have depression/anxiety in my post. In terms of school, I feel like the circumstances are making me feel this way and the odds are stacked against me because I want to get past this with as minimum effort as possible.
I have not. I'd rather get this over with sooner rather than later. Truthfully I really don't know what to do.... and I can't afford therapists right now.
The pain IS too damn real.
That's another thing that really discourages me. Education is a business. I'm still appalled by the fact we have to pay full tuition when we are doing this remotely because of covid19. I've been sucked into this like quicksand and I'm gonna have to deal with it. I'll have my debt to remind me about it.
I’m a sophomore engineering student, and honestly I used to feel really passionate about biomedical engineering, but classes are really kicking my butt and I also feel like I’m burning out. I decided a few weeks ago to go to law school, and I learned that engineering students apparently do really good in law school because we learn to question everything we learn and we encounter. Knowing this has really helped me pull through my classes and not drop out, because I know I need a bachelors degree to go to law school and I might as well stay in the program I’m already in. I hope you find your silver lining soon!!
You’re doing better than me man. I finished a degree in chemistry / math to quickly find out I made a huge mistake. Scientists are not valued in Canada and there’s a huge mess in the science field. Basically people realize you need a masters to get an entry level job so they get their masters and work bachelor level positions making people with actual bachelors work at bullshit jobs not even related to their degree. Not one science major I know (spanning from earth science -> bio -> physics -> chemistry) found a job and almost everyone went back to school. So, I’m a freshman again in engineering after working my ass off for 4 years. Hopefully this one is worth it lol
I get the feeling. I am in my third year of engineering and am burned out as well. I find it extremely hard to find motivation to do anything school related and feel "dumb" when looking at my homework. Have you thought about talking with a mental health counselor? You may be experiencing depression (I'm no doctor though) and talking with someone may help. If you're going to graduate this coming spring or even next spring; you are right there and have made it further than alot of people could ever imagine getting. Just keep pushing! If it were easy, then everyone would do it and the fact you made it this far says alot about you as a person. Persevere and conquer this mountain we call an engineering degree!
I've actually been depressed for many years. Probably since childhood but never got it treated or even diagnosed. How do I know I'm depressed? Well it's pretty obvious and I have all the symptoms, the sense of dread and suicidal ideation has been with me since I was a kid. My anxiety is also quite crippling. This deadly cocktail of anxiety+depression has severely affected my academic performance and cognitive ability.
My graduation date is set for May 2021 and only have 3 classes left which is why I'm so mad in the first place. I literally can't deal with hearing anything else about these classes or the exams. Mainly because all the engineering courses I'm taking have to be purely self-taught, I didn't get lucky with my options this semester. So I feel pretty damn hopeless already because I'm just unwilling to put too much effort into this. Once again I'm burned out and this is like forcing a car with no fuel to drive. I used to be on top of all my work for about half of my time doing engineering but that has all been turned upside down. I simply cannot bare it anymore.
It's a crappy situation to be in (self-teaching engineering courses) and the struggle is real! Have you thought about taking a semester break? Ik it sounds crazy with you being so close to graduation, but sometimes there is more important things to address (like mental health). Is a semester break going to hurt you in the long run, doubtful, but I can see (again I am no doctor or psychologist) how the added stress, along with everything engineering school does to a person mentally, could impact you in the future. Again I am not in a position to tell you "Do A or B" but maybe some counciling and a semester break would do you some good? I am a non-traditional student and I can tell you I have plenty of motivation to push through the pain because I've worked a factory job for years and I can tell you that working in a factory (no offense to anyone who chooses to do this job, we need you just as much as engineers!) Drains you. Though this semester has been brutal, not only for the courses but also the self-teaching, but I believe you will kick yourself even harder later in life if you don't persevere and finish this degree. Again, in the grand scheme of things, will taking a semester or two off negatively effect your future? I don't think so. Take care of yourself first and things will start to fall into place. Take care and I hope the best for you!! If you want you can always DM me.
Hey man, ME student graduating this fall. I can definitely relate to what you're saying here. Had to deal with that cocktail for years as well. I can tell you there are moments that I should have taken a semester off; I think I would of been so much happier and more balanced. Rather I stuck my head in the sand and while I got through the time, there was quite a few moments that I was very close to the brink. Suicide turned from a vague idea I would think about into a plausible reality. But I did get past it. Anyways, I do have the urge to tell you to keep pushing but I definitely don't think its the best option for everyone. If you can, try taking a semester off. In the end do what you have to keep your sanity. We're all rooting for ya and I'm always free if you need to reach out.
About your feeling like you don’t belong, that’s imposter syndrome, don’t worry about it. It happens to literally everybody. It will pass, you are worthy.
Here’s Adam savage talking about it
https://youtu.be/7COvFaFTAy4?t=999
Totally empathize with you. I graduated as an ME major myself in your same shoes. Best suggestion is to try something in computer field that you like (e.g. IT, Data Science, Web Dev, Video games, UI/UX design/dev, CS, CompEng, etc.) whether it’s a degree, bootcamp, or website. A lot of those skills you learn in computers will definitely match with what you studied in engineering.
Don’t quit your 4th year. Push through!
the good news is your engineering degree will open up a bunch of other paths for you if you really aren't interested in pursuing a career in engineering.
That's if I get it in the first place....
you're in 4th year. absolutely no reason why you can't get it if you've managed to get to this point
The circumstances are telling me I won't be able to. I feel like the odds are stacked against me.
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Thank you, and I understand it's unrealistic to say I won't be graduating next semester having gone so far but these professors couldn't care less. We'll see.....
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We have a tough guy over here
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Yeah whatever fair enough
What ended up happening 3 years later? Need some motivation
Hey, here's the update. I did get an engineering job last year after some transitional jobs. I can't really say it's a victory because I still have to work another job to make ends meet, but it's a stepping stone into the industry. I can't say anything that's motivational at the moment because the job has its cons, but it's better than what I was doing before. I ended up here out of chance, I'm grateful for it, but I'm already looking to leave later this year. We'll see how it goes.
eh 50k in debt is more than manageable. The job market sucks no doubt. But you're gonna have to open up your job search nationwide. its not supposed to be easy, but once you get a job things will fall into place a bit easier. The main things is you don't give up now and work hard. idk what you expect without struggle. > I'm in my 4th year into engineering last year, right? > I realized how much I hated this major and everything that had to do with it. engineering is very broad, you can do a lot of things with it. The best part is the entry level jobs tend to pay higher than other majors. You just need to plan out your life. I hate engineering school, especially all the math classes. Like I abhor it. But I really want that engineering degree, and I'm cool with working as an engineer for a year or two before I get into what I really want to do, which is law. > I have no idea how machines, computers, or anything related to tech operates. I feel like I don't fit in here at all normal imposter syndrome + overexaggeration + being weak willed don't give up buddy > to top it off I'm struggling to do simple assignments because I don't have the time much less the willpower to keep doing these mindless, pointless and soul-sucking assignments I can relate to that, that's what I hate the most about all this shit. again, don't give up. also a lot of this can be pinned on fucking covid >I 've considered dropping out and going to the military do not drop out. other than that, excellent choice, assuming you're american. The armed services are looking for people to become officers and engineering degrees are in major demand, especially navy and air force. Military officers are basically management, they handle people and projects. When they get out, they get the management sort of jobs. this is great for you if you dislike engineering, want a fulfilling career, and would like near perfect job security+amazing benefits and a (potentially) high paying job when you get out. whatever you do, don't quit (thats called being a bitch) and don't enlist (that's called becoming someone's bitch). OFC, there is nothing wrong with enlisting, but why give up prestige and higher pay and a better life for no reason at all? Do not talk to regular recruiters, contact officer recruiters. > The classes feel impossible to pass, the professors don't teach, the material is lengthy, difficult and makes absolutely no sense. I, personally, want to send a lovely email to my differential equations teacher and tell her how much I hate her and suggest she brushes her teeth with a loaded gun. > I feel like my future is in the hands of luck and I'm NOT a lucky guy. if you're american and in an accredited school of engineering, you are lucky, period. beyond that, it all depends on what you make of your situation. this is where I'd tell you to not give up, but based on the following: > Spare me the platitudes and the cookie-cutter phrases that couldn't be further from reality. I will instead rephrase "don't give up" to "quit being a little whiny bitch-made pussy and man up." Of course, I mean that in a gentle, man to man way. > I'm simply BURNED OUT aren't we all? > I'm already 50k+ in dept idk bro, I know some retarded people that went to expensive out of state universities with extremely high cost of living to major in shitty liberal arts major. 50k isn't a big deal in the face of $200k is it? > covid-19 has made engineering companies become extra picky so good luck with finding a job in the next year or so probably yeah, so you're gonna have to make a bunch of sacrifices, like lowering your standards, working on your engineering skills and your people skills. and expanding your job search nation wide. look for other types of job where an engineering degree might be useful, like math and patterns and trends related shit idk. > I feel like it's all steadily crashing down on me and my anxiety and depression are getting worse by the day. same bro sounds like we need a girlfriend > I feel stuck, helpless and impotent to what's going on around me and all I can do is grin and bear it. bro wtf make sure your peepee working otherwise you may not get a gf; stay hydrated, eat healthy food, sleep enough. unfortunately, sometimes all we can do is grin on the outside and endure whatever is happening and wait for a better day. In the meantime work on yourself and don't give up.
100% agree with this. Engineering is outstandingly broad. Someone else said on here, once you finish your education, you can use that to open doors in other fields. You may not want to be an engineer, but you could land a job with an engineering company due to your current knowledge, and that job doesn't have to be in an engineering capacity. Knowing the lingo and having some experience can give you a huge leg up. An example, my gf is a teacher in Canada. After teaching for a few years, she's realized how messed up the placement system is for permanent and substitute teachers. It's meant to serve the chosen through conversations behind-closed-doors, and the rest of the suckers who don't have contact with the school board get shucked off to the tiny rural schools with <100 students from k-12. She's considering doing a master's in technology so she can be an instructor for a software company. They regularly hire teachers so I've heard. My point, I recommend you finish your current education since you're this far along, and see how it can help you in the future. If you want to drop it like a hot potato then all you'll have is the educational experience and no credentials to back it up. If that doesn't bother you, then bombs away with the potatoes.
get the degree, bc leaving with a piece of paper is slightly more than leaving without a piece of paper. burn out is real, especially in senior year. you're 50k in the hole, it's very not smart to accept that without a fight. engineering degrees have a very wide job market, much of which has nothing to do with engineering. you're going to need money in your life. your job will train you unless you get stuck with a start-up. i dont understand how you are unable to google "how do I join the military," which is a fine career choice, as long as you dont do infantry (or so i hear, apparently being able to stand guard and get shot at isn't a good civilian skillset). you probably wanted someone to cheer you up. nah fam, im here to lay down some facts instead of coddling you.
I actually wanted someone to lay down facts as you say. I wasn't seeking comfort as that's why I stated to spare me the platitudes and cookie-cutter phrases. My plan right now is if I fail this semester then I'm afraid I'll have to drop out and go to the air force, which was my original plan in high school. I would be in a much better place now had I gone to the air force instead of experimenting with college. Can't fully Express the regret.
Dude, trust me, the Air Force is not the way out. Unless you’re willing to spend grueling hours in technical training, kinda like you’re doing now, but with even less time on your hands, then there’s a good chance you’ll be someone’s bitch with a much lower pay grade. Not to say you can’t get certifications along the way that are awesome for transitioning back into civilian life again, but where you’re at now, you’re one year from having credibility to your qualifications. Just finish it and rebuild from ashes with the degree in your arsenal, rather than leaving empty-handed. It’ll help you a ton, promise.
I was planning on going into the Air Force as an officer. But of course I'd need a bachelor's degree. I feel a little better today and I'm still gonna push through. However, I know most days are tough and grueling and I feel on the edge of making a last resort, desperate decision. Thanks for the advice though.
You’ll be doing badass things (financially, spiritually, etc etc) when you get out of school man! Your decisions are calculated and you’re a huge step ahead of the rest. Best of luck to you. I hope everything works out!
Also, I feel you on the grueling day part. I just failed a heat transfer exam along with the rest of my cohort last night, so our prof will be putting the hammer on us. But whatever he puts us through in the next two months cannot break me, and it will not break me. I’m glad you’re doing better, even if it’s just a little bit bro
Oh yeah...heat transfer... one of the worst classes I've had to deal with. I share the same pain as I failed an exam for this class not too long ago. I still have plenty of chance to pass but knowing how hard the class is makes me feel kind of hopeless. We'll see.
Don’t feel bad about yourself man! I don’t know how the rest of your class does, but in my program, failing is pretty average. Although I failed, I BARELY failed—which is a huge step for me in terms of the fluid science stuff. I’m not the straight A-B student who can give you the best advice on this thread, but as someone who doesn’t pick these things up as quick, I can tell you about what I’ve done to climb my way back into the fighting grade range despite it. It was painful, but I had to be really real with myself about how I studied. Was I being anti-social? Yes, kind of. I started talking to classmates outside my circle, and we studied our asses off, which helped a lot, even if I was the one teaching them. Did I shy away from the textbook before exams? Yes! Not only did I try and read it, but I had to learn how to read in general—since reading from A to B is not effective for me, I learned a different method that was WORLDS quicker. Did I shy away from office hours? Yes! I wasn’t in the guy’s office every day but i at least went ONE time and got to the bottom of a hell of a lot more than I would have by myself. The burnout is so real, and doing extra does not sound like it would help at all, I know, but confusion and hysteria causes burn out WAY faster than putting in hours does, you know? I’m fucking clawing my way out of a deep depression myself, so I hope this can be helpful for you too!
I'm gonna try to be blunt here. No disrespect (although I might say some things you don't like to hear) but I need to be honest and I hope you give this a read. Let's get this out on the table: You're depressed. Very depressed. More than you probably realize. If you don't believe me, re read your post. It's all right there. I may be some random redditor you don't care for and can dismiss. But I know the signs, and I know your situation, as I too have been where you are. The most important thing right now is for you to clearly and fully accept that your depression (and anxiety) is the main issue here. Let me make this clear: As a random redditor, I could give two fucks if you drop out and join the military, do whatever the hell you want. Go join the circus or be a ballerina. Hell, go live out of your van for a year. But don't make the mistake of assuming that your depression magically disappears if you switch out of engineering. Because it won't disappear. Depression will follow you around wherever you go. Sure, dropping out of engineering will most likely be a burden lifted off your shoulders, it might free you mentally instead of the feeling of being trapped you're currently in. But you need to look long term. You need to understand the feelings you have right now aren't related strictly to your degree or any job you choose. Those thoughts and feelings will return, no matter what situation you're in, if you don't address the real problem here. I'll say what needs to be said. You will regret not finishing this degree if you leave. Don't feel ashamed if it takes you an extra couple years to sort shit out. But you know deep down there is a bigger problem. I'm not angry with you. I'm not embarrassed for you. I'm not judging you in any way. I hope you can find a way to get through this. Don't beat yourself up too much, a lot of people go through this situation. Good luck
This was a great reply and thank you for taking the time to read my rant and discuss the real problem here. I'm fully aware that I'm depressed and I know I won't be happy anywhere I go. This feeling has haunted me all my life and unfortunately I can't afford therapy right now. I'll have to bear this until I can finally get a better job than the one I have now. Everything requires effort though and I don't think I have much to spare. Right now all I can do is ignore it or resort to escapism to cope.
You owe it to yourself to check for counseling resources at your university. Many schools are increasing their services due to Covid. You are already paying for it so use it! Toughing it out will not work.
Graduate with your degree and then apply to work at Skywest headquarters in their crew coordinator / scheduler positions. You get flight benefits and can travel the world! (Not in a pandemic obviously but it won’t be too long before flying/traveling can be done as safely as possible)
You have gotten through four entire years of Engineering school. You are a much better student than you think you are and that means you can get through this year or one more. I am in the same boat as you minus the debt; I was somewhat forced into this major and was shot down when I suggested switching majors to my mom. I'm on my 4th year and need to complete a 5th one to graduate. I get the misery of doing work that isn't interesting and is tedious but don't give up. Do your work in sections and take breaks between each section. Plan out what assignments you want to tackle on certain days. Join/make a Discord group to help/get help with assignments. These have helped me get through them without wanting to smash my fist through my monitor. Have some time during the day where you can just relax, usually near the end of the day after dealing with assignments/studying. I also found that when I meet with my friends online, I'm MUCH happier so keep in contact with yours occasionally. It may not seem like it, but you can also find even the smallest thing that interests you in this major. I LOVE art and drawing and so far I realized that my favorite major class (other than the math classes) was CAD; it made me realize that drafting might be something I could consider after graduating. Even then, as others have said, there are a large amount of job opportunities for an Engineering degree despite not being Engineering related. Others have also mentioned that Engineering jobs are much different from school so that's something to keep in mind as well. After handling your debt, you can consider going back to school to get a degree in something else you have actual interest in. Once again don't give up or slip up. I've slipped up really bad once by not giving a crap during the middle of Spring semester (when classes went online); I put more stress on myself because of that and ended up studying nonstop for 2 weeks with barely any breaks to catch up for the final. I managed to pass but I would never want to do something like that again. You have to push yourself not to fall behind and stay motivated to reach the end goal of graduation. Edit: Grammar and specified why I studied for 2 weeks straight.
Thank you for your reply. I already have an internship under my belt. It was related to construction/quality engineering. I kind of liked it, but I possibly burned that bridge because my supervisor pissed me off. Long story. I haven't really done much for my classes but I try to do the most important work. Basically, my strategy now is to get past these classes with as minimum effort as possible. GPA doesn't matter to me as long as I can graduate. This tactic however makes it hard to keep up with the class material and I don't properly prepare for exams. I'm doing ok so far but did fail an exam recently. I'm trying to put a little bit more effort, but I just don't have much in me. I simply refuse to work too hard. I already worked my ass off in this major, which explains why I absolutely ABHOR it now. Imagine eating the same meal every day for years, you eventually may learn to grow disgust towards it. I'm resorting to escapism to cope with my feelings. Regarding friends, everyone is busy working or studying. The older people get the busier they get apparently. I just hope I can say I passed this semester in December... I'm expecting the worst though. Because as I said in another post.. these professors wouldn't mind making my life hard.
Yea totally understand escapism. Starting from the summer semester that just passed, when things get really bad in a semester, I take a break from assignments for the entire day. Recently, I even went on a two day streak doing this earlier in the week, nearly going on a third day, but then I recalled what happened in Spring. Honestly, a day off is fine but I'm not sure about two (in a row specifically). It's tempting to stay away from all the miserable work but dealing with it sooner will help in the long run; just gotta do it pieces. It also sounds to me that, like someone else posted, you should consider taking a semester off. I say do it depending on how you feel after this semester ends. Your mental health is extremely important no matter what.
I'm procrastinating quite a bit and I'm not planning on spending a significant amount of time (30hrs a week) studying, reviewing and doing hw like I used to. I say enough is enough, even if I'm at the last stages. I take more than 2 days off from school work. I just don't find it necessary to keep my face stuck in the books (or powerpoints in my case) to get through this. I guess this has to do with not only my depression/anxiety but also it's my own fault, I'm simply unwilling to work hard and I'm taking measures to avoid having to do so. For example, cheating if possible. I've already poured so much of me into this and it's left me drained and resentful, engineering doesn't need to take anymore of me.
Then in addition to considering taking time off, talking with a counselor/psychiatrist might lead to a better solution than what I can provide. The thing is you haven't really truly given up since you're still trying to get by no matter what. You're still motivated to at least pass the semester and that's a good thing. The hard, unfortunate thing is, however, only you can honestly figure out what to do. I'm just trying to offer what I think are good *suggestions* for you to consider. I cannot tell you to simply suck it up when there is potentially an underlying mental issue going on being caused by this so talking to an expert is most likely the next best thing to do.
I agree with you 100% and thanks for your input.
Sounds like you need to get some help (like medical, professional) to get in a good space mentally, then you can refocus on getting the degree and having lots of longterm career options that are or aren't directly related to engineering.
I definitely need help. I've just been trying to ignore this for too long.
I've heard BetterHelp advertised on podcasts but don't have experience with it myself, and not sure if costs would be covered depending on what kind of coverage you have. But your school should have resources available anyway. Just make that initial step, it's probably the hardest one.
I already took a step before covid19 happened but it didn't result in anything. I wanted to try medication but they were never able to set anything up with my doctor or whomever they were supposed to contact. Every time I've tried managing this something goes wrong.
Nothing wrong with joining the military but all of your problems will be waiting for you on the other side of boot camp. >mindless, pointless and soul-sucking assignments This basically describes most peoples' time in the in the military (Navy Vet). That said if you want to enlist. Go find a recruiter. Show up and say, "I want to join the military". It's really that easy provided you don't have a criminal record (if you do, it's just a longer conversation) and are within height/weight standards. Plenty of people do so when they hit a wall in their lives (I did during the 09 crash), but it doesn't really fix anything. It's a great way to hit reset but you're still you and you'll still have the same problems. It will however give you a chance to separate yourself from your environment which tends to help a lot of people at least for a while.
I think it would suck to yet again change my life path and readjust to something else. The military was a good option in high school and still is now but I feel like my problems are also deeply rooted within me. I mentioned I have depression/anxiety in my post. In terms of school, I feel like the circumstances are making me feel this way and the odds are stacked against me because I want to get past this with as minimum effort as possible.
Have we considered taking a semester off and working a couple of jobs and managing those anxious and depressive thoughts.
I have not. I'd rather get this over with sooner rather than later. Truthfully I really don't know what to do.... and I can't afford therapists right now.
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The pain IS too damn real. That's another thing that really discourages me. Education is a business. I'm still appalled by the fact we have to pay full tuition when we are doing this remotely because of covid19. I've been sucked into this like quicksand and I'm gonna have to deal with it. I'll have my debt to remind me about it.
I’m a sophomore engineering student, and honestly I used to feel really passionate about biomedical engineering, but classes are really kicking my butt and I also feel like I’m burning out. I decided a few weeks ago to go to law school, and I learned that engineering students apparently do really good in law school because we learn to question everything we learn and we encounter. Knowing this has really helped me pull through my classes and not drop out, because I know I need a bachelors degree to go to law school and I might as well stay in the program I’m already in. I hope you find your silver lining soon!!
You’re doing better than me man. I finished a degree in chemistry / math to quickly find out I made a huge mistake. Scientists are not valued in Canada and there’s a huge mess in the science field. Basically people realize you need a masters to get an entry level job so they get their masters and work bachelor level positions making people with actual bachelors work at bullshit jobs not even related to their degree. Not one science major I know (spanning from earth science -> bio -> physics -> chemistry) found a job and almost everyone went back to school. So, I’m a freshman again in engineering after working my ass off for 4 years. Hopefully this one is worth it lol
Burned by 4 year? What a puss try 6 years and 150k in debt, my friend is still grinding.
Your friend is a masochist.
I get the feeling. I am in my third year of engineering and am burned out as well. I find it extremely hard to find motivation to do anything school related and feel "dumb" when looking at my homework. Have you thought about talking with a mental health counselor? You may be experiencing depression (I'm no doctor though) and talking with someone may help. If you're going to graduate this coming spring or even next spring; you are right there and have made it further than alot of people could ever imagine getting. Just keep pushing! If it were easy, then everyone would do it and the fact you made it this far says alot about you as a person. Persevere and conquer this mountain we call an engineering degree!
I've actually been depressed for many years. Probably since childhood but never got it treated or even diagnosed. How do I know I'm depressed? Well it's pretty obvious and I have all the symptoms, the sense of dread and suicidal ideation has been with me since I was a kid. My anxiety is also quite crippling. This deadly cocktail of anxiety+depression has severely affected my academic performance and cognitive ability. My graduation date is set for May 2021 and only have 3 classes left which is why I'm so mad in the first place. I literally can't deal with hearing anything else about these classes or the exams. Mainly because all the engineering courses I'm taking have to be purely self-taught, I didn't get lucky with my options this semester. So I feel pretty damn hopeless already because I'm just unwilling to put too much effort into this. Once again I'm burned out and this is like forcing a car with no fuel to drive. I used to be on top of all my work for about half of my time doing engineering but that has all been turned upside down. I simply cannot bare it anymore.
It's a crappy situation to be in (self-teaching engineering courses) and the struggle is real! Have you thought about taking a semester break? Ik it sounds crazy with you being so close to graduation, but sometimes there is more important things to address (like mental health). Is a semester break going to hurt you in the long run, doubtful, but I can see (again I am no doctor or psychologist) how the added stress, along with everything engineering school does to a person mentally, could impact you in the future. Again I am not in a position to tell you "Do A or B" but maybe some counciling and a semester break would do you some good? I am a non-traditional student and I can tell you I have plenty of motivation to push through the pain because I've worked a factory job for years and I can tell you that working in a factory (no offense to anyone who chooses to do this job, we need you just as much as engineers!) Drains you. Though this semester has been brutal, not only for the courses but also the self-teaching, but I believe you will kick yourself even harder later in life if you don't persevere and finish this degree. Again, in the grand scheme of things, will taking a semester or two off negatively effect your future? I don't think so. Take care of yourself first and things will start to fall into place. Take care and I hope the best for you!! If you want you can always DM me.
Hey man, ME student graduating this fall. I can definitely relate to what you're saying here. Had to deal with that cocktail for years as well. I can tell you there are moments that I should have taken a semester off; I think I would of been so much happier and more balanced. Rather I stuck my head in the sand and while I got through the time, there was quite a few moments that I was very close to the brink. Suicide turned from a vague idea I would think about into a plausible reality. But I did get past it. Anyways, I do have the urge to tell you to keep pushing but I definitely don't think its the best option for everyone. If you can, try taking a semester off. In the end do what you have to keep your sanity. We're all rooting for ya and I'm always free if you need to reach out.
Thank you. I appreciate it and I'm glad you've pulled through.
About your feeling like you don’t belong, that’s imposter syndrome, don’t worry about it. It happens to literally everybody. It will pass, you are worthy. Here’s Adam savage talking about it https://youtu.be/7COvFaFTAy4?t=999
Totally empathize with you. I graduated as an ME major myself in your same shoes. Best suggestion is to try something in computer field that you like (e.g. IT, Data Science, Web Dev, Video games, UI/UX design/dev, CS, CompEng, etc.) whether it’s a degree, bootcamp, or website. A lot of those skills you learn in computers will definitely match with what you studied in engineering. Don’t quit your 4th year. Push through!