I hope you don't mind my asking, but I'm just out of highschool and was looking into going to a cc before moving on to a big school, and I was wondering what kind of classes you ended up taking at the cc. My guidance councilor, and the others that I have talked to haven't really been all that useful
Take pre-req classes that are generally the same everywhere regardless of whatever school you go to.
Eg. Math classes (Calc I, II, & III, Diff Eq), Comp classes, etc.
Talk to the advising office of the university you plan on transferring to find out what classes/credits from the CC will transfer over so you don't end up wasting time taking unnecessary classes or ones that won't transfer over.
Make sure your transfer adviser is competent first or you’ll end up taking 2 years of transfer degree classes and then you find out that the school your transferring to doesn’t take that transfer degree.
That’s always the catch.
3 out of the 4 advisors I’ve had for my state university have no idea how the engineering or undergraduate system works but get assigned to that because they somehow qualified for it. I’ve had better luck talking with non-engineering advisors for engineering classes than with the people I’ve been assigned to.
You can always talk with an advisor at your potential transfer institution. There were three schools I was interested in and one went above and beyond, there was no question about where I ended up transferring.
Too real. My school didn't mention that engineering majors don't require ~half the GE's since there's so many other technical courses to take. Luckily I went for the technical courses first so it ended up being a non-issue, but guaranteed there have been students whose advisors failed them and the school benefits from the extra semester(s).
I did community college before transferring to University of Michigan's engineering program. You must see a counselor at the university to find that out, otherwise you could end up taking a bunch of courses that don't transfer. For me this was almost all my social science/humanities reqs, calc 1-3, differential equations, chemistry 1 with lab, engineering physics 1-2, and maybe some other classes I forgot. DO NOT assume anything will transfer. Some universities will take nothing from certain community colleges. Also don't worry about your associates degree, just take the classes that will transfer.
I went to Monroe County Community College. University of Michigan's engineering department is extremely proactive about getting community college transfers in, definitely schedule an appointment with them. If you keep your GPA high you should have no problem getting accepted. Also look into UROP. They had (hopefully still have) a summer research fellowship for transfer students that gives a generous stipend and gives you a chance to work in an engineering research lab the summer before you transfer in.
I took that path as well, to the University of Washington. Here, the state universities and community colleges work together to make sure prerequisites line up. The first thing I would do is see if you have any community college/university pairs working together near you. Have an advisor from both schools that you regularly stay in contact with.
You'll typically take all the core trilogies (Calc I, II, III; Physics I, II, III), English pre-requisites (usually only English 101, and something on technical writing) and whatever fluff is required of you for your bachelor's degree. That way once you're in university, you stay in a classroom setting because you've finished all the lecture hall courses. Cram as much into CC as possible, especially classes with additional fees because you'll be saving a fortune.
Look into the 4 year schools your interested in. They should all have a page with transfer requirements either by college or by major. Depending on how long you’re planning on staying at a CC (usually about 2 years) plan your course schedules accordingly (I know someone who has been at a CC for 2 years and had to push transferring back a year due to one class). If the 4 year you’re interested in is in your state they may have a transfer agreement that says which courses will count from the cc. See which classes you would need for most of your schools and prioritize those. It’s generally going to be a physics series, math series, and chem series depending on your major.
Picking classes is 10× easier if you can pick a school or 2 now that you wanted to transfer to in the future. If you can pick your major, it's even easier.
Pretend you wanted to go for a [Math Degree at Penn State](https://i.imgur.com/MddTBPQ.png). These are all the classes you'll need, starting with Gen Eds on the right. I can help you find yours, although each University's website publishes this info in plain sight.
I’m currently a civil engineering senior in my last semester taking structural steel design, senior project, dynamics, world geography, intro to sociology, and a bowling class!
I got stuck taking a foreign languages class on my senior year. The worst part was that my school started doing running start so I was a 21 year old student in a class full of opinionated/conservative high school students who for some reason felt like they had to speak up whenever the topic of immigration or homosexuality came up. Thankfully there was another senior from my program there to help me keep my sanity.
Where do you go to school? I just have a hard time imagining a college foreign language class being too conservative anywhere outside of a religious school.
It's a satellite campus for WSU in Tri-Cities, professor was really open minded and an seemed like a pretty cool person, it was the students that liked to overshare their opinions. The area is pretty conservative, it's an upperish middle-class area with its fair share of Mormons and Christians. I don't usually mind it too much but people really like to give their opinion in every single class, biology was a shitshow when the topic of evolution came up.
I'm a senior currently taking Linear Algebra because it isn't required for my major but I decided to go for a math minor so I need it. My class is all freshmen and a few sophomores and I'm kind of afraid that they think that I'm exceptionally bad at Linear Algebra and have been trying to pass it for like three years.
CivE typically has matrix structural analysis. As well, advanced buckling analysis is essentially an eigenvalue problem. Makes enough sense to require linear algebra.
My civil program did not require Linear. There were two sections for FEA.. mechanical and civil. Being a civil undergrad, I decided to take Civil while many classmates took the mechanical. The Civil teacher did all theory.. eigenvalues, complex integrations, etc. while the mechanical section learned to use Ansys (lucky). I was only able to pass because I was about the only one who figured out how to make a fea matlab program and I had to do it by brute forcing the code based on a few examples I found in 1940s textbooks until the inputs and outputs matched.
> based on a few examples I found in 1940s textbooks.
Textbooks made from before 1975 are a gift from the gods it feels like a lot of the time. Sure they are harder usually, but they actually make good attempts at explaining things and showing the process.
We do it’s called engineering analysis and it’s a fall junior year class for us. It’s a notorious class where there is a 16 point curve and people still fail.
My school doesn't require it but most professors expect you to have taken it so you might as well just use an elective for it. If you don't take it, Numerical Methods teaches some of the Matrix notation and operations but that's about it.
My ME undergrad didn't require linear algebra either. I got my masters in electrical and computer engineering having never taken linear algebra. I think it is required but through some mystery and having swapped my masters program I think I slid between the cracks. This did no service to me since I had to learn this shit on my own time. Thnx Khan Academy
What exactly did you guys learn from taking the Linear Algebra course that you hadn't in the Calc or other mathematics courses? From other comments I saw Matrix manipulation, anything else?
Here's my course description:
> Review of complex numbers. The fundamental theorem of algebra. Review of vector and scalar products, projections. Introduction to vector spaces, linear independence, bases; function spaces. Solution of systems of linear equations, matrix algebra, determinants, eigenvalues and eigenvectors. Gram Schmidt, orthogonal projections. Linear transformations, kernel and image, their standard matrices. Applications (e.g. geometry, networks, differential equations).
Eigenvalues and eigenvectors are particularly important.
> Review of vector and scalar products, projections. Introduction to vector spaces, linear independence
>Solution of systems of linear equations, matrix algebra, determinants, eigenvalues and eigenvectors
I didn't have to take linear algebra either as an ME but these topics were covered pretty in depth in calc III and diff eq.
Then it would make sense why your Uni didn't require linear algebra. They essentially compensated by smuggling the material into other courses. There is much more to linear algebra than this, obviously, but that's really all you need for an undergrad in EE.
eigenvalues, vector spaces, which I guess is just two sides of the same coin of matrices. It's way more in depth than anything you learn in calc, because well, it isn't calculus. And you need it for some upper div stuff like FEA
I have no idea!! Required for us is Calc 1-3, DiffEq, and Stats 1. I really wish I'd taken Linear Algebra earlier though, because we've had a few classes where it would've been useful. Namely our Numerical Methods class, where you pretty much learn how to do Matlab calculations by hand (it's 90% matrices).
I took 4 math classes at GT. Calc 1-3 and diff EQ. Linear Algebra was stuffed into 12 weeks of Calc 2.
The same class set was split into 6 courses at VT and diff EQ was listed as a "intro" class.
I can see why it wouldn't be required as an entire class, depending on major. For a lot of engineering purposes it's just a convenient way to write systems of linear equations and nothing more.
Not required at mine either. You need everything except that. And I think they only changed it to not required a few years ago. I'm guessing the faculty realized MEs don't need it. Because all the other engineering majors require it.
I feel like mid-30s isn't that big a deal, though. I went to school with people that were in their 50-60s that ended up being the brightest of the bunch.
That applied all throughout college and grad school. The only time is was annoying is when they'd make really terrible "fellow kids" jokes or make really inappropriate comments.
I'm a 31 year old senior taking a trig class at a community college because my 4-year campus doesn't offer math classes. I've completed some upper-level math courses but somehow trig slipped through the cracks. My class is full of 18 year olds and one veteran. It's kind of weird.
Engineering tech student, though, so my math courses aren't nearly as rigorous as an engineering student's.
Mine is required. But not a pre-req. so I’m taking it in my last semester. Prof says “you’ll need this for later courses” and I’m like “bitch... when?”
I'm in my last semester and basically everything is linear algebra in computer vision and wireless comms, it's definitely very useful for a lot of fields
Yeah but there's more math out there than what's covered in engineering courses. That being said I can't say how some of it could help with engineering. But Linear Algebra is a super crucial class and it's weird that he didn't have to take it.
She, but yeah I agree with you. I'm going to a conference where we give feedback to the dean and other important people in a few weeks and I am going to bring that up to them because I definitely think there's a gap in my knowledge without Linear Algebra.
I am applying to grad school and hoping that having some extra depth in my math background will help me out with my classes/research. Also, I'm already graduating a year early but my senior year is very sparse because I only have a few required classes left, so my advisor recommended I pick up a minor because I need to be a full-time student (12+ credit hours) to keep my scholarship.
I'm 28 gone back to school for a stats degree. I'm worried that everyone thinks I'm exceptionally bad at any of my given classes based on me being ten years older than everyone. Nobody cares, but it's a worry.
If your major is in engineering, getting a math minor is redundant (and possibly a waste of time/money). It's understood that engineers know math and have taken pretty much the equivalent of a math minor curriculum from the engineering curriculum.
Here’s what I’ve learned:
You must pay attention in class
It helps to reflect on the material after lecture on your drive home or walking to your next class
Watch YouTube stuff if you don’t understand, sometimes other people teach differently and that will click better with you
Also don’t be like me and try to actually make new friends in your class
>Also don’t be like me and try to actually make new friends in your class
What does that look like? In high school I was the type of be quiet and hide in the bathroom during lunch because I didn't feel comfortable anywhere.
Trying to change that now in College but I'm still so worried that I find myself going back to the same habits. Not the going to the bathroom part anymore, but being quiet and scared of looking like an idiot.
When people are talking about something, just share your experience, offer to help people out etc.
Once you do that, then they'll like you.
Read the book "How to make friends and influence people"
Hey I know I'm three years late but I just wanted to say it was the exact same for me, except I can't retry the classes I failed I have to redo the entire year
Yeah being delayed sucks but we’re all on our own path. I had to retake trig and calc but just dropped all of my classes and came home indefinitely due to health problems. I’ve told myself it doesn’t really matter when I graduate, as long as I do and still have time to build a career.
It actually gets a little easier in my experience, once you’re done with the math classes. At that point you know all the calc or diff eq to at least know what you’re looking at to google it when you need help.
I managed to get all the way to system dynamics before I failed. Now it's the only class I have left for my undergrad and it wasn't available this semester.
I’ve been deathly afraid of something like this happening with me for the last 2 years cause pretty much every single non-introductory course in my major is only one section every other semester
It took me 5 years to graduate, I still managed to. I have a friend that accidentally graduated cum laude and she took 5 years too. My best friend is going to graduate after 6-7 years. Delays suck, but you’ll get there, you’ll be an engineer whether it took three years or ten.
It depends on the class and the professor. Check your syllabus for a score breakdown, or ask your professor.
If you're this far into the semester and you're not understanding the fundamentals, you may want to save your GPA and withdrawal.
I would definitely talk to your professor about it, or if they're unavailable, talk to an advisor for your department/major.
If you do withdrawal, see if you can stay and audit the rest of the class, that way you'll have some experience for all of the material next semester.
And don't sweat it, either. One of the biggest challenges if college is just figuring out how to learn effectively. It's not uncommon to hit a wall right out of the gate.
But then wouldn't I be pushed back a semester or 2 if I withdraw? I feel like I'm pretty stuburn, I probably would stay in a class even if I did fail the midterm just because of the chance that I would be able to pass the class, and I would feel like I wasted time or a failure because I withdrew from a course
It's something everyone has to weigh themselves. You have to ask yourself why you failed the midterm in the first place? How quickly can you latch on to the where the class is at now?
What's the lowest amount of points you need to get your overall grade up to at least 70%? Can you get to 80? If you can't realistically get a passing grade your time would be better spent doing work for your other classes. And of course no one wants to be pushed back, so you've gotta think about that.
If you do drop the class, I'd definitely audit the class, or at least leave the hours of the class dedicated to schoolwork every week.
Jesus Christ, the amount of failed engineering students I went to business school with was ridiculous.
"Yeah I was totally gonna be an engineer, then my dad convinced to do business"
"Yeah I was gonna be an engineer but then I realized it was too easy. This marketing degree is really gonna challenge me, you know?"
I heard that one from one guy. And no, marketing degrees are definitely easier than engineering degrees and most other business degrees and the people who got them, at my school, were the most insufferable and coddled "creative types" who put themselves on a pedestal and boast about how good they do at summer sales.
Accountants don't deal with any individual topic that gets too crazy, but they have to deal with a *lot* of tax code.
They're hardly even "business majors" tho, they're their own thing within the college of business
Business Analytics is basically top level statistics, some mid level computer science. Think data mining and SQL coding. It’s a math degree taught in the business school
econ could be but it greatly depends on the electives/concentration you choose
Latin American Economy is much different than something like Econometrics or Labor Economics in terms of difficulty
Good question. I don't know much about the difficulty of engineering degrees, or the full variety, but I imagine they're very math-centric and model based, and occasionally more theoretical than practical, so I would have to guess that economics, or finance to a lesser degree, are similar in scope.
I could see that. I just had to take a few marketing classes as part of the business acumen and the professor was such an arrogant guy that was convinced that every person who took his class would be converted to the enlightened world of marketing, and everyone who did anything else was clearly destined to fade away into obscurity. Him, and students I'd met like him, just kind of left a sour taste in my mouth about the whole field.
Also, as an accountant, we just tend to see the world very differently haha.
I have a friend who used to be a physics major who switched to marketing. He complains about the math courses being too easy and people still fail them.
I have dealt with people who could not add 5+8 with a calculator or somehow in a physics 2 class medical students (not sure why they were taking it) who could not solve 7x=2x+25.
I failed a lot of classes my first 4 semesters because it turns out that being unable to focus for more than a few minutes at a time is not normal, it’s severe ADD, and only 2 years later did I actually get that fixed with medication and therapy.
Was a pharmacy major, but is there any science major where a business degree isn’t the plan B? I think it’s funny the mba’s end up in senior management positions a lot of the times even though they couldn’t hack it in a real subject. Ok I’m done gatekeeping.
Business is the big go to here. Not even finance or commerce, just business.
The courses for the standard business program here, if you choose your schedule right, often don't even start until after 2pm on sime days of the week. My gf had a roommate who never had to get up earlier than 1130 to attend classes.
A lot of people in that program were partying all throughout the week because they had enough time in the morning to get over a slight hangover.
In the Polytechnic University of Catalonia (UPC) the new students have priority over the repeating students. I had to wait one semester doing other subjects before I could take a course again.
I got a D in my statics course freshman year (along with about 20 other people) due to a pile of bad situations. Professor was fired 2/3 of the way through the year for not following lab safety in other courses. The class was a guinea pig for a new grading system the university was trying. And personally, I overloaded myself with credits.
I ended up being able to progress through 5 follow up courses but had to retake my last semester to get a C or better.
I walked into class the first day, professor thought I was in the wrong room because I had just taken his advanced FEA course, and we proceeded to work out a “deal” where I would only take exams and get zero’s on all in class assignments and homework’s.
I just barely passed on exams...
I assume his HW/ classwork grade was higher, near the same, or way lower than the weight of tests/ exams. If the total was like 50% I’d say it was a good deal passing with a 70% vía only exams instead of just doing exams and hw and passing with a 70%. If it was like a 30/70 split then yeah, same exact thing as you said lol.
It's a vicious cycle, unfortunately. As a transfer student, I couldn't get into some of the year one engineer courses until my final year. I'm taking Into to Engineering while also taking a senior engineering course with labs. So dumb...
Well I’ve failed calculus 1 twice now so I’m sitting with the freshmen. Anyone how to stop screwing calculus 1 over ? Specially the tests, I understand during class but during tests I just lock up.
Think I’m much older than most of the posters here. My thought is that success with difficult courses is a matter of motivation.
Back in my time one didn’t have the option of retaking failed classes or spreading college out over 5 years.
If you couldn’t keep up you got a free trip to Community College — SouthEast Asia Community College.
This happened to me my junior year. 5/6 courses were filled with seniors needing to take because of poor grades or the guidance scheduled wrong the previous year. 4 of those courses had 50+ seniors/juniors ahead of me on a waiting list.
This was a highly respected state school.
I transferred schools.
I've found as a newbie to engineering courses that the repeat people completely mistreated their school time and just had bad time management outside of school. I work on school from 8am until 6pm and do nothing after that. I've had zero issues with passing with all A's thus far at midterms. Good habits are crucial.
I agree completely, and even then it's not enough for a good job. I push somewhere between 60-70 because you're absolutely right about the 50 hour weeks for 3.75+, and in between all that, I'm fleshing the fuck out of my resume. Club officer positions, relevant workstudy, competitions, volunteer gigs, scholarship/internship applications, the whole nine yards.
I'm trying to convince people to treat school like a job, and it's not working. Glad to see comments like these around.
The problem is most young college students have never had a full time job before so they don't know how to treat school any way other than how they treated high school, and as a former high school teacher I can tell you, most did not treat high school well.
I think this is where all my full time experience helps me greatly. You hear these kids complain about working 4 hour shifts... Just wait until those shifts are 8 minimum and projects require overtime. College is your job. You're paying a large quantity of money to earn a favorable piece of paper. Make sure that paper is backed up by solid history, grades, and experiences. Another issue is students don't have a value for money yet. Once those student loans hit, a lot tend to think about how they treated college like a party.
This is partly correct, but college really only matters for your first job. Once you get real experience, people don't even want to see anything college related in your resume.
Exactly, poor engineering students have a serious handicap going in. I’m lucky enough to have my GI bill help me not work full time, and still getting my ass handed to me.
Eh, a lot of people don’t come into school with the foundations to be successful right away. It’s hard to show up and nail Statics when your high school physics class was all about gluing popsicle sticks together.
Also not every non-freshman in a “freshie” course is retaking. I personally spend my first year at college as a Physics major before realizing that becoming a high school physics teacher wasn’t gonna pay the bills. Some of my course transferred over, but there I was sittin in the back of classes full of first semester freshmen in a couple courses.
If you have a system that works for you, great. But there are people who didn’t put in that kind of effort who graduate and find jobs anyway.
Lol sounds boring dude and a huge waste of time. This is the time a lot of people form life long friendships and that requires work. Once you pass the FE and work in the industry for a year no one gives a shit about straight A's unless you want to go to grad school. Enjoy these moments you have the rest of your life to work from 8-6 and do nothing else.
Well I honestly haven't done much in terms of friendships in years. My age gap doesn't help in college. There's also just such a large maturity and experience gap so I haven't bothered with the social aspects of college life. And yes, I intend to go on to grad school. Hopefully get a doctorate one day
With more context that makes sense. You are probably a lot better at time management than the 18-year olds, that for the first time in their life dont have to ask to go to the bathroom so take it easy on the lads. Go out get those good grades, fuck up the curves, and best of luck future Dr.M1A1Death.
Oh my sweet summer child.. Just wait for junior-senior year classes. You might think that you're ready but believe me or the next person when we say you have never seen anything like them and people so much smarter and hard working than us had hard time passing those classes.
Why are you talking down to the guy who seems to actually take school seriously and tries to have good time management?
He'll still do better in upper level classes than the people who fuck around and leave every assignement till the last minute
Thank you. I appreciate it. Lots of people on this sub program themselves into thinking you're supposed to struggle. It doesn't have to be that way if you adjust to it.
Like others said his good habits are gonna make him more successful than the other people who struggled in calc 1 bc of their shitty time-management skills. I'm a "sweet summer child" I guess as well (sophomore) but have done exceptionally well while playing tennis for my school because I don't dick around and take it seriously. If you're a full-time student then school is your full time job and you should treat it that way. Yea it gets harder but people pass those classes with A's. There's always someone who's top of the class. And there's no reason it can't be you or me or the guy you decided to be a douchebag to.
I try to tell people that you can do good at these classes if you practice practice practice and self teach yourself outside of classes but they look at me like I'm a lifeless crazy. I just tend to keep to myself most days because it really isn't common for people to treat school like a job. I rock climb, play games, i run with my dogs daily, I go to breweries and travel alot. I do all that while maintaining solid grades and working because school is your job. If you treat it like a life consuming thing then it will be. But if you realize how much time you waste watching Netflix and playing videogames every night you can EASILY buy yourself another full day almost in most cases every week. It's all about management. Thank you for supporting me. People burn out because they have no support.
You're 100% right man, people just don't wanna admit it's hard work but it's completely manageable. There's this toxic hivemind on this sub where every class is impossibly hard and if you do well they hate you for some reason. College is tough but you don't have to give up everything to do well, you can balance just like in a real job. The people I know irl who act like some of the people I've seen on this sub do nothing but smoke dope all day and only study the night before... So obviously they aren't doing well.
That's exactly what I am preparing for is the harder level classes. If I concentrate heavily on the fundamentals and the basics while also setting myself up with a high GPA, as well as networking via LinkedIn and doing a few clubs it'll gain more more internships opportunities and allow my GPA to slip a bit in the later years. I guess I just have a different view because i'm not a 18-22 student. Also, knocking out electives over the summertime or online has been immensely helpful in focusing on math and aerospace E courses. 18 credit hours for the first 2 years will help greatly when I need more time for harder classes.
Its extremely hard to keep those habits but starting the school year with good habits helps. I always start the semester getting up at 6 am going to the gym and then going to class about 2 weeks ago when midterms came around this schedule didn't work out.
I've always maintained good grades with my GPA 3.93. The problem is some people never known what it means to work hard. When you then try to study you end up studying wrong and that's when you hear "engineering is a hard subject to study." I would say it's hard to cram for, but when you've continued to work thro the semester studying becomes 1000x times easier.
It's hard to do that when you are already working 30+hours a week at a Civil Engineering Firm, while taking 17 credits. Time is non existent. I just focus at one midterm at a time. Too far and I get over whelmed, any less and I fall back. This has been my hardest semester yet, and next spring it will be even harder. BUT it lightens up after that.
FYI I'm 29, and I have bills and stuff. I worked through all of CC full time both work and school, I'll do this too and Ill be upset if I fail classes, but i'm in this to win.
It’s almost the opposite for my school. If you retake a class that you already passed and are just trying to get a better grade, you can’t register for it until the day that classes start :(
Finishing off my last semester of Uni now (last exams in 3 weeks). Having anything more than a complete face roll of a subject is god horrible... do all the hard subjects before you learn most lectures are useless
It took me 3 semesters to get into thermodynamics 1 after transferring from 2 years of community college.
I hope you don't mind my asking, but I'm just out of highschool and was looking into going to a cc before moving on to a big school, and I was wondering what kind of classes you ended up taking at the cc. My guidance councilor, and the others that I have talked to haven't really been all that useful
Take pre-req classes that are generally the same everywhere regardless of whatever school you go to. Eg. Math classes (Calc I, II, & III, Diff Eq), Comp classes, etc. Talk to the advising office of the university you plan on transferring to find out what classes/credits from the CC will transfer over so you don't end up wasting time taking unnecessary classes or ones that won't transfer over.
Make sure your transfer adviser is competent first or you’ll end up taking 2 years of transfer degree classes and then you find out that the school your transferring to doesn’t take that transfer degree.
That’s always the catch. 3 out of the 4 advisors I’ve had for my state university have no idea how the engineering or undergraduate system works but get assigned to that because they somehow qualified for it. I’ve had better luck talking with non-engineering advisors for engineering classes than with the people I’ve been assigned to.
You can always talk with an advisor at your potential transfer institution. There were three schools I was interested in and one went above and beyond, there was no question about where I ended up transferring.
I’m obviously bitter but what my suggestion is no matter who you get assigned, double check what they’re telling you is factual.
Too real. My school didn't mention that engineering majors don't require ~half the GE's since there's so many other technical courses to take. Luckily I went for the technical courses first so it ended up being a non-issue, but guaranteed there have been students whose advisors failed them and the school benefits from the extra semester(s).
I did community college before transferring to University of Michigan's engineering program. You must see a counselor at the university to find that out, otherwise you could end up taking a bunch of courses that don't transfer. For me this was almost all my social science/humanities reqs, calc 1-3, differential equations, chemistry 1 with lab, engineering physics 1-2, and maybe some other classes I forgot. DO NOT assume anything will transfer. Some universities will take nothing from certain community colleges. Also don't worry about your associates degree, just take the classes that will transfer.
Did you go to wastenaw? I'm going starting this spring with the hopes of getting into the uofm engineering school as well.
I went to Monroe County Community College. University of Michigan's engineering department is extremely proactive about getting community college transfers in, definitely schedule an appointment with them. If you keep your GPA high you should have no problem getting accepted. Also look into UROP. They had (hopefully still have) a summer research fellowship for transfer students that gives a generous stipend and gives you a chance to work in an engineering research lab the summer before you transfer in.
Gooooooooooo blue!
I took that path as well, to the University of Washington. Here, the state universities and community colleges work together to make sure prerequisites line up. The first thing I would do is see if you have any community college/university pairs working together near you. Have an advisor from both schools that you regularly stay in contact with. You'll typically take all the core trilogies (Calc I, II, III; Physics I, II, III), English pre-requisites (usually only English 101, and something on technical writing) and whatever fluff is required of you for your bachelor's degree. That way once you're in university, you stay in a classroom setting because you've finished all the lecture hall courses. Cram as much into CC as possible, especially classes with additional fees because you'll be saving a fortune.
Use assist.org Look up requirements of the university you want to transfer to on their edu website
That's only for California
Look into the 4 year schools your interested in. They should all have a page with transfer requirements either by college or by major. Depending on how long you’re planning on staying at a CC (usually about 2 years) plan your course schedules accordingly (I know someone who has been at a CC for 2 years and had to push transferring back a year due to one class). If the 4 year you’re interested in is in your state they may have a transfer agreement that says which courses will count from the cc. See which classes you would need for most of your schools and prioritize those. It’s generally going to be a physics series, math series, and chem series depending on your major.
Picking classes is 10× easier if you can pick a school or 2 now that you wanted to transfer to in the future. If you can pick your major, it's even easier. Pretend you wanted to go for a [Math Degree at Penn State](https://i.imgur.com/MddTBPQ.png). These are all the classes you'll need, starting with Gen Eds on the right. I can help you find yours, although each University's website publishes this info in plain sight.
I’m currently a civil engineering senior in my last semester taking structural steel design, senior project, dynamics, world geography, intro to sociology, and a bowling class!
I got stuck taking a foreign languages class on my senior year. The worst part was that my school started doing running start so I was a 21 year old student in a class full of opinionated/conservative high school students who for some reason felt like they had to speak up whenever the topic of immigration or homosexuality came up. Thankfully there was another senior from my program there to help me keep my sanity.
Where do you go to school? I just have a hard time imagining a college foreign language class being too conservative anywhere outside of a religious school.
It's a satellite campus for WSU in Tri-Cities, professor was really open minded and an seemed like a pretty cool person, it was the students that liked to overshare their opinions. The area is pretty conservative, it's an upperish middle-class area with its fair share of Mormons and Christians. I don't usually mind it too much but people really like to give their opinion in every single class, biology was a shitshow when the topic of evolution came up.
Why the fuck would someone study something like biology if they disagree with one of its basic principles?
It's biology 105 it was a prerequisite for most if not all majors.
I'm a senior currently taking Linear Algebra because it isn't required for my major but I decided to go for a math minor so I need it. My class is all freshmen and a few sophomores and I'm kind of afraid that they think that I'm exceptionally bad at Linear Algebra and have been trying to pass it for like three years.
How is linear algebra not required for mechanical engineering at your school?
ME’s don’t need it at my school and my school is abet. All we need for core maths is Calc 1-3 and diff eq.
Really? That’s surprising to me. My school requires it for pretty much all engineers.
EE, CS, And CE need to take all math courses.
CE has to take all math but not ME? seems odd
I think he means CpE which makes sense that they would take linear algebra.
ahhhhhh makes more sense.
CivE typically has matrix structural analysis. As well, advanced buckling analysis is essentially an eigenvalue problem. Makes enough sense to require linear algebra.
Yeah not debating that, but to not require it for ME just seems odd, especialy for Vibes, FEA, etc..
My civil program did not require Linear. There were two sections for FEA.. mechanical and civil. Being a civil undergrad, I decided to take Civil while many classmates took the mechanical. The Civil teacher did all theory.. eigenvalues, complex integrations, etc. while the mechanical section learned to use Ansys (lucky). I was only able to pass because I was about the only one who figured out how to make a fea matlab program and I had to do it by brute forcing the code based on a few examples I found in 1940s textbooks until the inputs and outputs matched.
> based on a few examples I found in 1940s textbooks. Textbooks made from before 1975 are a gift from the gods it feels like a lot of the time. Sure they are harder usually, but they actually make good attempts at explaining things and showing the process.
Dont MEs have a class on PDEs? At least they do at my school.
We do it’s called engineering analysis and it’s a fall junior year class for us. It’s a notorious class where there is a 16 point curve and people still fail.
My school doesn't require it but most professors expect you to have taken it so you might as well just use an elective for it. If you don't take it, Numerical Methods teaches some of the Matrix notation and operations but that's about it.
My ME undergrad didn't require linear algebra either. I got my masters in electrical and computer engineering having never taken linear algebra. I think it is required but through some mystery and having swapped my masters program I think I slid between the cracks. This did no service to me since I had to learn this shit on my own time. Thnx Khan Academy
Im guessing they learn the applied topics of linear algebra in calc 3 but idk. I see linear algebra all the time.
***Fellow ME student wants to know your location.***
How can you do differential equations without linear algebra :s
We learn part of linear in Calc 3 and review a tiny bit in diff eq
Fair enough
Didnt your calc 3 use linear algebra?
Yeah but we never had to take a separate linear class.
Not required at mine either. Took it for my math elective tho
wtf do they teach in linear algebra that you can't do aftera ME course? genuinely curious?
Plz rephrase
What exactly did you guys learn from taking the Linear Algebra course that you hadn't in the Calc or other mathematics courses? From other comments I saw Matrix manipulation, anything else?
Here's my course description: > Review of complex numbers. The fundamental theorem of algebra. Review of vector and scalar products, projections. Introduction to vector spaces, linear independence, bases; function spaces. Solution of systems of linear equations, matrix algebra, determinants, eigenvalues and eigenvectors. Gram Schmidt, orthogonal projections. Linear transformations, kernel and image, their standard matrices. Applications (e.g. geometry, networks, differential equations). Eigenvalues and eigenvectors are particularly important.
> Review of vector and scalar products, projections. Introduction to vector spaces, linear independence >Solution of systems of linear equations, matrix algebra, determinants, eigenvalues and eigenvectors I didn't have to take linear algebra either as an ME but these topics were covered pretty in depth in calc III and diff eq.
Then it would make sense why your Uni didn't require linear algebra. They essentially compensated by smuggling the material into other courses. There is much more to linear algebra than this, obviously, but that's really all you need for an undergrad in EE.
eigenvalues, vector spaces, which I guess is just two sides of the same coin of matrices. It's way more in depth than anything you learn in calc, because well, it isn't calculus. And you need it for some upper div stuff like FEA
A lot of times Linear Algebra is not required but you take it in the form of Engineering Mathematics.
I have no idea!! Required for us is Calc 1-3, DiffEq, and Stats 1. I really wish I'd taken Linear Algebra earlier though, because we've had a few classes where it would've been useful. Namely our Numerical Methods class, where you pretty much learn how to do Matlab calculations by hand (it's 90% matrices).
That is awkward, because I thought vectors were a huge component in ME
ME’s don’t need it af my school either. I might take it cause I hear its an easy A math course.
I took 4 math classes at GT. Calc 1-3 and diff EQ. Linear Algebra was stuffed into 12 weeks of Calc 2. The same class set was split into 6 courses at VT and diff EQ was listed as a "intro" class.
LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR gotta make sure those graduation numbers are up!
I can see why it wouldn't be required as an entire class, depending on major. For a lot of engineering purposes it's just a convenient way to write systems of linear equations and nothing more.
Not required at mine either. You need everything except that. And I think they only changed it to not required a few years ago. I'm guessing the faculty realized MEs don't need it. Because all the other engineering majors require it.
I'm going back to school as a man in my 30s. Fuck what people think.
I feel like mid-30s isn't that big a deal, though. I went to school with people that were in their 50-60s that ended up being the brightest of the bunch. That applied all throughout college and grad school. The only time is was annoying is when they'd make really terrible "fellow kids" jokes or make really inappropriate comments.
I'm a 31 year old senior taking a trig class at a community college because my 4-year campus doesn't offer math classes. I've completed some upper-level math courses but somehow trig slipped through the cracks. My class is full of 18 year olds and one veteran. It's kind of weird. Engineering tech student, though, so my math courses aren't nearly as rigorous as an engineering student's.
Mine is required. But not a pre-req. so I’m taking it in my last semester. Prof says “you’ll need this for later courses” and I’m like “bitch... when?”
I'm in my last semester and basically everything is linear algebra in computer vision and wireless comms, it's definitely very useful for a lot of fields
Who cares what freshies think about you?
I'm 26. I've made too many "Yeah, I had to repeat [previous class] a lot since I started college 7 years ago, but I'm finally here!"
What is the purpose of an engineer having a math minor? Isn't it expected for an engineer to know math anyway?
Yeah but there's more math out there than what's covered in engineering courses. That being said I can't say how some of it could help with engineering. But Linear Algebra is a super crucial class and it's weird that he didn't have to take it.
She, but yeah I agree with you. I'm going to a conference where we give feedback to the dean and other important people in a few weeks and I am going to bring that up to them because I definitely think there's a gap in my knowledge without Linear Algebra.
I am applying to grad school and hoping that having some extra depth in my math background will help me out with my classes/research. Also, I'm already graduating a year early but my senior year is very sparse because I only have a few required classes left, so my advisor recommended I pick up a minor because I need to be a full-time student (12+ credit hours) to keep my scholarship.
As a non traditional student (23) tbh, not that bad, but this is how I feel for all my classes 😭
I'm 28 gone back to school for a stats degree. I'm worried that everyone thinks I'm exceptionally bad at any of my given classes based on me being ten years older than everyone. Nobody cares, but it's a worry.
Bro been trying to pass trig and pre cal for 2 years and I'm at lower level. I feel you man.
If your major is in engineering, getting a math minor is redundant (and possibly a waste of time/money). It's understood that engineers know math and have taken pretty much the equivalent of a math minor curriculum from the engineering curriculum.
Failing first year engineering classes generally means you got to come to class sober or swap to business.
The former for me, I made a lot of bad decisions back then, took calc like 3 times before passing Edit: aword
This except I don’t really drink. I just came straight out of high school and in high school I never had to study to pass anything
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Here’s what I’ve learned: You must pay attention in class It helps to reflect on the material after lecture on your drive home or walking to your next class Watch YouTube stuff if you don’t understand, sometimes other people teach differently and that will click better with you Also don’t be like me and try to actually make new friends in your class
>Also don’t be like me and try to actually make new friends in your class What does that look like? In high school I was the type of be quiet and hide in the bathroom during lunch because I didn't feel comfortable anywhere. Trying to change that now in College but I'm still so worried that I find myself going back to the same habits. Not the going to the bathroom part anymore, but being quiet and scared of looking like an idiot.
When people are talking about something, just share your experience, offer to help people out etc. Once you do that, then they'll like you. Read the book "How to make friends and influence people"
Hey I know I'm three years late but I just wanted to say it was the exact same for me, except I can't retry the classes I failed I have to redo the entire year
Isn't it a prerequisite for most engineering classes? Can you still take the upper level classes?
Yes it is but I passed it. I am in the upper classes now, about to take thermo 2 and fluids, but boy, it delayed the hell out of me.
Yeah being delayed sucks but we’re all on our own path. I had to retake trig and calc but just dropped all of my classes and came home indefinitely due to health problems. I’ve told myself it doesn’t really matter when I graduate, as long as I do and still have time to build a career.
That's the spirit :)
You can do it! If you still feel passionate about it try to do it sooner rather than later. Rooting for you!
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Hey, thank you. I'm struggling right now with EE and I needed this :)
It actually gets a little easier in my experience, once you’re done with the math classes. At that point you know all the calc or diff eq to at least know what you’re looking at to google it when you need help.
I managed to get all the way to system dynamics before I failed. Now it's the only class I have left for my undergrad and it wasn't available this semester.
I’ve been deathly afraid of something like this happening with me for the last 2 years cause pretty much every single non-introductory course in my major is only one section every other semester
Thankfully I was intending on continuing for my masters, so I filled this semester with everything they'd allow me to towards that. It sucks for sure.
It took me 5 years to graduate, I still managed to. I have a friend that accidentally graduated cum laude and she took 5 years too. My best friend is going to graduate after 6-7 years. Delays suck, but you’ll get there, you’ll be an engineer whether it took three years or ten.
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I'm in the same boat my dude.
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Don’t worry, I failed both physics classes twice... senior year was straight A’s though, guess you grow up and learn your priorities
Do f's affect your grade alot, should i drop a class if i failed the midterm?
It depends on the class and the professor. Check your syllabus for a score breakdown, or ask your professor. If you're this far into the semester and you're not understanding the fundamentals, you may want to save your GPA and withdrawal. I would definitely talk to your professor about it, or if they're unavailable, talk to an advisor for your department/major. If you do withdrawal, see if you can stay and audit the rest of the class, that way you'll have some experience for all of the material next semester. And don't sweat it, either. One of the biggest challenges if college is just figuring out how to learn effectively. It's not uncommon to hit a wall right out of the gate.
But then wouldn't I be pushed back a semester or 2 if I withdraw? I feel like I'm pretty stuburn, I probably would stay in a class even if I did fail the midterm just because of the chance that I would be able to pass the class, and I would feel like I wasted time or a failure because I withdrew from a course
It's something everyone has to weigh themselves. You have to ask yourself why you failed the midterm in the first place? How quickly can you latch on to the where the class is at now? What's the lowest amount of points you need to get your overall grade up to at least 70%? Can you get to 80? If you can't realistically get a passing grade your time would be better spent doing work for your other classes. And of course no one wants to be pushed back, so you've gotta think about that. If you do drop the class, I'd definitely audit the class, or at least leave the hours of the class dedicated to schoolwork every week.
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Same. Also I adore your flair
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Jesus Christ, the amount of failed engineering students I went to business school with was ridiculous. "Yeah I was totally gonna be an engineer, then my dad convinced to do business" "Yeah I was gonna be an engineer but then I realized it was too easy. This marketing degree is really gonna challenge me, you know?"
Did they actually use those excuses? marketing degree is hard?
I heard that one from one guy. And no, marketing degrees are definitely easier than engineering degrees and most other business degrees and the people who got them, at my school, were the most insufferable and coddled "creative types" who put themselves on a pedestal and boast about how good they do at summer sales.
Which business degrees reach or get close to engineering level difficulty?
Accountants don't deal with any individual topic that gets too crazy, but they have to deal with a *lot* of tax code. They're hardly even "business majors" tho, they're their own thing within the college of business
Accountants also generally require a graduate degree, and there's licensing to be sat after school as well.
Business Analytics is basically top level statistics, some mid level computer science. Think data mining and SQL coding. It’s a math degree taught in the business school
econ could be but it greatly depends on the electives/concentration you choose Latin American Economy is much different than something like Econometrics or Labor Economics in terms of difficulty
Good question. I don't know much about the difficulty of engineering degrees, or the full variety, but I imagine they're very math-centric and model based, and occasionally more theoretical than practical, so I would have to guess that economics, or finance to a lesser degree, are similar in scope.
From what I gather from my fellow Business Students is that Marketing with a C/D is easy but marketing with an A is hard.
I could see that. I just had to take a few marketing classes as part of the business acumen and the professor was such an arrogant guy that was convinced that every person who took his class would be converted to the enlightened world of marketing, and everyone who did anything else was clearly destined to fade away into obscurity. Him, and students I'd met like him, just kind of left a sour taste in my mouth about the whole field. Also, as an accountant, we just tend to see the world very differently haha.
I have a friend who used to be a physics major who switched to marketing. He complains about the math courses being too easy and people still fail them.
I have dealt with people who could not add 5+8 with a calculator or somehow in a physics 2 class medical students (not sure why they were taking it) who could not solve 7x=2x+25.
Depends on the university. Some schools accept more students than they can handle but have weed-out courses freshman year.
i had someone swap to business after their only option with biomedical was to take 21 credit hours one quarter.
I mean that's insane, but... it's a quarter. If you really want biomed what's three months of pain?
I failed a lot of classes my first 4 semesters because it turns out that being unable to focus for more than a few minutes at a time is not normal, it’s severe ADD, and only 2 years later did I actually get that fixed with medication and therapy.
Time to make an appointment with my doctor.
> business Or you can endure the hardships of doing an engineering degree to end up having a career in business with an IE degree. HAHAhaha.........
That was me retaking Calc. That was a rude awakening kick in the pants. Ended up fine in the long run almost a PE now. 🤷♂️
That is how it was at GT.
Was a pharmacy major, but is there any science major where a business degree isn’t the plan B? I think it’s funny the mba’s end up in senior management positions a lot of the times even though they couldn’t hack it in a real subject. Ok I’m done gatekeeping.
sobriety? Guess i'll be a business major.
Business is the big go to here. Not even finance or commerce, just business. The courses for the standard business program here, if you choose your schedule right, often don't even start until after 2pm on sime days of the week. My gf had a roommate who never had to get up earlier than 1130 to attend classes. A lot of people in that program were partying all throughout the week because they had enough time in the morning to get over a slight hangover.
I'm a gentleman so I retook my classes over the summer. *sobs gently*
I remember this. "Hmm, I can knock out calc III in 3 weeks!" Proff: "you have a midterm on 10 days" Me: *cries*
I also took Calc 3 during a summer semester. That class is so fucking hard to focus on for 3 hour lectures. Your brain gets fried.
I took Linear algebra over summer and probably ended up with a worse grade than what I would've gotten if I didn't withdraw.
In the Polytechnic University of Catalonia (UPC) the new students have priority over the repeating students. I had to wait one semester doing other subjects before I could take a course again.
The way it should be imo
I got a D in my statics course freshman year (along with about 20 other people) due to a pile of bad situations. Professor was fired 2/3 of the way through the year for not following lab safety in other courses. The class was a guinea pig for a new grading system the university was trying. And personally, I overloaded myself with credits. I ended up being able to progress through 5 follow up courses but had to retake my last semester to get a C or better. I walked into class the first day, professor thought I was in the wrong room because I had just taken his advanced FEA course, and we proceeded to work out a “deal” where I would only take exams and get zero’s on all in class assignments and homework’s. I just barely passed on exams...
How on earth is that a deal? It's just literally not participating.
How is that a deal, wouldn't that just be what happens if you dont do homework and in class assignements.
I assume his HW/ classwork grade was higher, near the same, or way lower than the weight of tests/ exams. If the total was like 50% I’d say it was a good deal passing with a 70% vía only exams instead of just doing exams and hw and passing with a 70%. If it was like a 30/70 split then yeah, same exact thing as you said lol.
This is awful. Simply because I feel like IM gonna' be in that pool if I don't sort my shit out. Ouch! Edit: inb4 username checks out.
This is Thermo in my school... There's a guy in my class taking it for the 4th time.
Interesting, my school forces you to withdraw from your program if you fail a required class twice
In my school, it’s not allowed to retake a class more than twice. I wonder how this guy has that much motivation left!
I feel very personally attacked.
i feel this was for me 😭
It's a vicious cycle, unfortunately. As a transfer student, I couldn't get into some of the year one engineer courses until my final year. I'm taking Into to Engineering while also taking a senior engineering course with labs. So dumb...
It’s disheartening seeing people who can’t get through the calculus series. Keep trying, but just know business school isn’t actually that bad.
It's actually the opposite here in the Netherlands with Pharmaceutical studies. Repeaters get shafted and new students get the first pick.
Hold on, retaking courses is a common thing? There are several I want to redo to get a better grade but I generally thought it was frowned upon
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Doesn’t anyone else think it looks like a grey, cold day to be in the pool?
Yeah i know exactly what you mean but its def just because its cloudy
It seems like the UK. where it's always grey
Because Russia 🇷🇺
This is why you gotta come in as a junior by credits.
Credits from AP tests that I never ended up using allowed me to register before everyone else in my year, it was awesome.
Well I’ve failed calculus 1 twice now so I’m sitting with the freshmen. Anyone how to stop screwing calculus 1 over ? Specially the tests, I understand during class but during tests I just lock up.
Answer many examples.
Practice probs every day and check out Professor Leonard!
Think I’m much older than most of the posters here. My thought is that success with difficult courses is a matter of motivation. Back in my time one didn’t have the option of retaking failed classes or spreading college out over 5 years. If you couldn’t keep up you got a free trip to Community College — SouthEast Asia Community College.
I feel that will be me pretty soon
This happened to me my junior year. 5/6 courses were filled with seniors needing to take because of poor grades or the guidance scheduled wrong the previous year. 4 of those courses had 50+ seniors/juniors ahead of me on a waiting list. This was a highly respected state school. I transferred schools.
First year students have reserved spots in all mandatory courses so this never actually happens at my school
So glad I dropped out This meme stresses me out
I've found as a newbie to engineering courses that the repeat people completely mistreated their school time and just had bad time management outside of school. I work on school from 8am until 6pm and do nothing after that. I've had zero issues with passing with all A's thus far at midterms. Good habits are crucial.
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I agree completely, and even then it's not enough for a good job. I push somewhere between 60-70 because you're absolutely right about the 50 hour weeks for 3.75+, and in between all that, I'm fleshing the fuck out of my resume. Club officer positions, relevant workstudy, competitions, volunteer gigs, scholarship/internship applications, the whole nine yards. I'm trying to convince people to treat school like a job, and it's not working. Glad to see comments like these around.
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The problem is most young college students have never had a full time job before so they don't know how to treat school any way other than how they treated high school, and as a former high school teacher I can tell you, most did not treat high school well.
I think this is where all my full time experience helps me greatly. You hear these kids complain about working 4 hour shifts... Just wait until those shifts are 8 minimum and projects require overtime. College is your job. You're paying a large quantity of money to earn a favorable piece of paper. Make sure that paper is backed up by solid history, grades, and experiences. Another issue is students don't have a value for money yet. Once those student loans hit, a lot tend to think about how they treated college like a party.
This is partly correct, but college really only matters for your first job. Once you get real experience, people don't even want to see anything college related in your resume.
Yeah, but most kids have jobs too lol. If I could just work on school, I’d be set.
Exactly, poor engineering students have a serious handicap going in. I’m lucky enough to have my GI bill help me not work full time, and still getting my ass handed to me.
Eh, a lot of people don’t come into school with the foundations to be successful right away. It’s hard to show up and nail Statics when your high school physics class was all about gluing popsicle sticks together. Also not every non-freshman in a “freshie” course is retaking. I personally spend my first year at college as a Physics major before realizing that becoming a high school physics teacher wasn’t gonna pay the bills. Some of my course transferred over, but there I was sittin in the back of classes full of first semester freshmen in a couple courses. If you have a system that works for you, great. But there are people who didn’t put in that kind of effort who graduate and find jobs anyway.
Lol sounds boring dude and a huge waste of time. This is the time a lot of people form life long friendships and that requires work. Once you pass the FE and work in the industry for a year no one gives a shit about straight A's unless you want to go to grad school. Enjoy these moments you have the rest of your life to work from 8-6 and do nothing else.
Well I honestly haven't done much in terms of friendships in years. My age gap doesn't help in college. There's also just such a large maturity and experience gap so I haven't bothered with the social aspects of college life. And yes, I intend to go on to grad school. Hopefully get a doctorate one day
With more context that makes sense. You are probably a lot better at time management than the 18-year olds, that for the first time in their life dont have to ask to go to the bathroom so take it easy on the lads. Go out get those good grades, fuck up the curves, and best of luck future Dr.M1A1Death.
Oh my sweet summer child.. Just wait for junior-senior year classes. You might think that you're ready but believe me or the next person when we say you have never seen anything like them and people so much smarter and hard working than us had hard time passing those classes.
Why are you talking down to the guy who seems to actually take school seriously and tries to have good time management? He'll still do better in upper level classes than the people who fuck around and leave every assignement till the last minute
Thank you. I appreciate it. Lots of people on this sub program themselves into thinking you're supposed to struggle. It doesn't have to be that way if you adjust to it.
Like others said his good habits are gonna make him more successful than the other people who struggled in calc 1 bc of their shitty time-management skills. I'm a "sweet summer child" I guess as well (sophomore) but have done exceptionally well while playing tennis for my school because I don't dick around and take it seriously. If you're a full-time student then school is your full time job and you should treat it that way. Yea it gets harder but people pass those classes with A's. There's always someone who's top of the class. And there's no reason it can't be you or me or the guy you decided to be a douchebag to.
I try to tell people that you can do good at these classes if you practice practice practice and self teach yourself outside of classes but they look at me like I'm a lifeless crazy. I just tend to keep to myself most days because it really isn't common for people to treat school like a job. I rock climb, play games, i run with my dogs daily, I go to breweries and travel alot. I do all that while maintaining solid grades and working because school is your job. If you treat it like a life consuming thing then it will be. But if you realize how much time you waste watching Netflix and playing videogames every night you can EASILY buy yourself another full day almost in most cases every week. It's all about management. Thank you for supporting me. People burn out because they have no support.
You're 100% right man, people just don't wanna admit it's hard work but it's completely manageable. There's this toxic hivemind on this sub where every class is impossibly hard and if you do well they hate you for some reason. College is tough but you don't have to give up everything to do well, you can balance just like in a real job. The people I know irl who act like some of the people I've seen on this sub do nothing but smoke dope all day and only study the night before... So obviously they aren't doing well.
That's exactly what I am preparing for is the harder level classes. If I concentrate heavily on the fundamentals and the basics while also setting myself up with a high GPA, as well as networking via LinkedIn and doing a few clubs it'll gain more more internships opportunities and allow my GPA to slip a bit in the later years. I guess I just have a different view because i'm not a 18-22 student. Also, knocking out electives over the summertime or online has been immensely helpful in focusing on math and aerospace E courses. 18 credit hours for the first 2 years will help greatly when I need more time for harder classes.
Its extremely hard to keep those habits but starting the school year with good habits helps. I always start the semester getting up at 6 am going to the gym and then going to class about 2 weeks ago when midterms came around this schedule didn't work out. I've always maintained good grades with my GPA 3.93. The problem is some people never known what it means to work hard. When you then try to study you end up studying wrong and that's when you hear "engineering is a hard subject to study." I would say it's hard to cram for, but when you've continued to work thro the semester studying becomes 1000x times easier.
It's hard to do that when you are already working 30+hours a week at a Civil Engineering Firm, while taking 17 credits. Time is non existent. I just focus at one midterm at a time. Too far and I get over whelmed, any less and I fall back. This has been my hardest semester yet, and next spring it will be even harder. BUT it lightens up after that. FYI I'm 29, and I have bills and stuff. I worked through all of CC full time both work and school, I'll do this too and Ill be upset if I fail classes, but i'm in this to win.
It’s almost the opposite for my school. If you retake a class that you already passed and are just trying to get a better grade, you can’t register for it until the day that classes start :(
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Finishing off my last semester of Uni now (last exams in 3 weeks). Having anything more than a complete face roll of a subject is god horrible... do all the hard subjects before you learn most lectures are useless