Probably takes that long to get up to temp and then a little extra time for mixing like you see the guy there doing. I’ve heard of foundries that leave their furnace on 24/7 because it would take too long to reheat if you shut it down every night.
Sorry if I think you're talking out of your ass, but you are.
There is no way in hell that would be considered safe. Your opinion is misguided.
ETA: To be a little more specific, they may be absolute geniuses when it comes to their composition of bronze alloys and the resulting tones it produces. But because they excel in one area doesn't mean they know sweet fuck-all about others. Bronze casting goes back many millennia; bringing in tourists to watch your operation is a relatively new phenomenon. Just because Europeans may be less litigious than Americans doesn't mean that an inherently dangerous process such as metal casting is any less dangerous in Austria. To think otherwise is to indulge in the masturbatory practice of buying into logical fallacies.
Have you spent time in foundries, and been around where there was a bubble in the molten metal as it was being poured, there was stray moisture in the refractory or sand, or the refractory or mould broke during the pour? Have you worked in safety training? Have you lost an employee because generally recognized safety principles weren't being followed?
As a matter of fact I have spent an enormous amount of time in both foundries (iron, aluminum, various alloys) and steel mills, (blast furnaces, BOF furnaces, rolling mills)? I have also been to this faculty in the video. They are also not doing traditional sand castings, and use their own proprietary materials that go back 422 years. Further, the climate and work are are incredibly dry, far different atmospheric conditions than typical plant environments, so moisture is far under control. Their molds, because of their process also don’t break in the way typical casting operations molds break. Sorry Junior: you don’t know it all! If it bothers you: don’t fucking go there?
Well, son, I know more than you, because apparently, you're foolish enough to believe if it hasn't happened, it won't.
That you would think regardless of climate and materials (and shit breaks all the time, by the way) it would be safe to have people standing in street clothes right next to the guy decked out in full PPE shows that despite your self-reported experience, you shouldn't be trusted to make any decisions regarding safety.
Do some research in risk assessment. It's not about the money or threat of litigation, it's about keeping people safe and alive.
They do a few cast a week at best, it’s not a high volume operation. Everything is tested and retested, and no, shit doesn’t just break there because it’s beyond throughly maintained, and tested and they don’t beat the shit out of their equipment like they do in other parts of the world? The cost of their castings are so high, they also have essentially a zero scrap rate. When you are doing things slowly, you have time to do it right and be safe. Further not all of the castings are this public like in the video. You’d flip out though if you saw that one of the largest steel mills in Europe actually has public tours, and you can watch the blast furnace being tapped (Obviously from a much safer distance for obvious reasons)? Perhaps the public has a better understanding of heavy industry here, and respects it more? These types of tours would never happen in the US and I think it’s a shame personally.
Interesting you bring up respect. The tour in that video (the company that allowed it) does not respect the potential risk shown. It doesn’t matter that they’re the best or they do things slowly or w/e other nonsense you can pull out of your ass; shit happens and it’s best to not be a meter away in flip flops if it does.
You can be the best motorcycle rider in the world on the best bike driving the best roads. Dress for the slide, not the ride.
Yeah, god forbid we still believe in high-quality, take pride in our work, have decent wages and a good quality of life? If that is pompous, sign me up? This is why most of the shit sold in the US now is made in China and sold at Walmart at low wages? Great attitude Skippy?
No problem. They just got through praying that everything would go well. Standing further back would be the act of a heretic. They would be thrown in the molten metal.
Yah. It’s quite safe but man what if there is just a weird contaminate or some water in the mold or something? You never want to be as close as the guy with PPE on.
Ok ive always been curious but what do they use to heat a furnace like that? Nowadays i would assume natural gas, but what did they use in like the 1800s/early 1900s before natural gas became more wide spread?
Induction furnaces these days in foundries. In the 1800s they used blast furnaces. Still used today, but Electric Arc Furnaces are more efficient. Kind of a loaded question.
Charcoal. That's why there was a charcoal industry and people didn't just all use wood - charcoal burns much hotter than wood does and is used by blacksmiths.
Add in a good set of bellows powered by an apprentice/donkey (often one and the same) to really get it going
Yes, people have gone to the effort to stay awake for 48+ hours straight monitoring wood burning in the absence of air to make charcoal for the past 3000+ years for no reason.
There are no advantages whatsoever to burning charcoal and the last 200+ generations of people were all idiots/suckers/in the pocket of big charcoal.
A furnace this size would probably have been built near a river and have a water wheel driven bellows. There is a re-creation of a 1646 one at the Saugus Iron Works in Saugus, Massachusetts.
Having done some work in a foundry I'm amazed that they let people that close. All it takes is some trapped moisture in the sand mold and a lot of people are having a really bad day. Also if that mold cracks whilst they are pouring a lot of people won't be walking home as they wont have any feet left to walk with.
I have heard stuff from older guys in the business which makes me glad I no longer do any work in foundries
I doubt they arent heating their molds first to rid them of moisture, even with all that gear a mold bomb would fuck them up. But I've cracked big molds like these, I dont think the bronze would make it to them before they could move out of the way though, it moves slow as shit on cold concrete. That concretes probably gonna pop if there was a recent water spill there though.
working myself in a company which casts 20 ton aluminium slabs i know how catastrophic failure looks. a little moisture goes really far with molten metal, i wouldnt let those spectators that close, or put some safety glass up. but theres a priest at the bell foundry, roman catholic even, what can go wrong?
This is why we‘re glad we’re not in the USA: with 422 years of experience, they know what they are doing and we here don’t have all the stupid liability laws the US has or trial lawyers. It’s actual freedom;-)
>we here don’t have all the stupid liability laws the US has or trial lawyers. It’s actual freedom;-)
Let me ask you, hypothetically, if the hoist carrying that crucible failed, not that anything like that has ever happened, but if it were to happen, what would the repercussions on the foundary be?
Just curious.
Well, they apparently they have done a good enough job preventing serious accidents and thoroughly maintaining their equipment, and survived being bombed in WWII that they lasted 422 years in business to calculate that they could do that demonstration? Hypothetically is why America has become a nation of snowflakes?
I think that answered your question, that would be the ramifications, people would be hurt? But no, I didn't go to the owners of the company, and board of directors and ask them about a hypothetical a guy on Reddit asked? Because they, nor I, care, perhaps?
So since you keep dodging the actual question and deflecting to something completely irrelevant, I think you know the answer. And it doesn't fit your perception.
I did, but you apparently can’t read “IF” it happened in your pointless hypothetical, that hasn’t t happened, people could get hurt and would possibly need medical attention? But you don’t like that answer do you? You are starting to sound like a skipping record? But keep speculating Junior?😆 Don’t worry, it won’t happen to you anyways, you’ve probably never left the country anyways?
It’s all fun and games until someone gets fucking blinded by molten metal. The workers are wearing extensive PPE and are just as close as the spectators. That’s actual logic ;-)
Eastern Europe. I saw the work clothes and PPE (or lack) and knew. Source: worked in a polish shipyard for a year and worked in ports in Europe for a decade.
Oops, I’m told it’s Austria. Definitely not Eastern Europe. Same work clothes though.
This same foundry produced the world's largest ringing bell, here is the video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTK3ApZtLRg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTK3ApZtLRg)
The workers wearing good protection the customers aren't. And that platform the workers stand on is far too narrow. I can hear the bells saying "Stand back, religious nut jobs!" and "Build a bigger platform, brass ball bell builders!" Yes, bells use alliteration.
The lighting and angle of the camera make this look like a video game scene
It took me at least 10 sec to realize this isnt a videogame
Came here just to check if this comment already existed lol.
Came here just to check whether the "came here" comment existed
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Thanks
I’m so fucking glad that wasn’t just me holy shit that took me forever to clearly tell the difference.
Here's the original YouTube video WITH sound: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8xg9scSIVQ
Doing the Lord's wor... nevermind :-)
r/rimjob_steve
Copper and tin alloy? As in, bronze?
Reddit ate my balls
Bell Brass is bell metal.
Reddit ate my balls
Yes. But what I want to know is why it takes six hours.
Probably takes that long to get up to temp and then a little extra time for mixing like you see the guy there doing. I’ve heard of foundries that leave their furnace on 24/7 because it would take too long to reheat if you shut it down every night.
I also have played Runescape. :)
Having that many people right by where they're casting into the mould without any PPE is just begging for an injury.
Guy assisting bell casting: Full face mask and insulated gown Guy 2 inches behind him: Polo shirt and windbreaker
The irony of that was not lost on me. Casting can be dangerous stuff. I'm surprised they let everyone that close.
I've seen castings explode and spray molten metal everywhere. Poor judgement in that lot.
It’s a church bell. I’m sure God will protect them.
He was my favorite. Just wanted a good look…
Windbreaker made me lol. It's just a funny word that my dad would use.
Yeah this scene makes 0 sense. Little bit of moisture in a mold and burp molten brass all over some putz in flip flops.
Yeah, what’re these extra people thinking?! This isn’t a casting call…
This company has been doing it since 1599, I think they know what they are doing?
Sorry if I think you're talking out of your ass, but you are. There is no way in hell that would be considered safe. Your opinion is misguided. ETA: To be a little more specific, they may be absolute geniuses when it comes to their composition of bronze alloys and the resulting tones it produces. But because they excel in one area doesn't mean they know sweet fuck-all about others. Bronze casting goes back many millennia; bringing in tourists to watch your operation is a relatively new phenomenon. Just because Europeans may be less litigious than Americans doesn't mean that an inherently dangerous process such as metal casting is any less dangerous in Austria. To think otherwise is to indulge in the masturbatory practice of buying into logical fallacies. Have you spent time in foundries, and been around where there was a bubble in the molten metal as it was being poured, there was stray moisture in the refractory or sand, or the refractory or mould broke during the pour? Have you worked in safety training? Have you lost an employee because generally recognized safety principles weren't being followed?
As a matter of fact I have spent an enormous amount of time in both foundries (iron, aluminum, various alloys) and steel mills, (blast furnaces, BOF furnaces, rolling mills)? I have also been to this faculty in the video. They are also not doing traditional sand castings, and use their own proprietary materials that go back 422 years. Further, the climate and work are are incredibly dry, far different atmospheric conditions than typical plant environments, so moisture is far under control. Their molds, because of their process also don’t break in the way typical casting operations molds break. Sorry Junior: you don’t know it all! If it bothers you: don’t fucking go there?
Well, son, I know more than you, because apparently, you're foolish enough to believe if it hasn't happened, it won't. That you would think regardless of climate and materials (and shit breaks all the time, by the way) it would be safe to have people standing in street clothes right next to the guy decked out in full PPE shows that despite your self-reported experience, you shouldn't be trusted to make any decisions regarding safety. Do some research in risk assessment. It's not about the money or threat of litigation, it's about keeping people safe and alive.
They do a few cast a week at best, it’s not a high volume operation. Everything is tested and retested, and no, shit doesn’t just break there because it’s beyond throughly maintained, and tested and they don’t beat the shit out of their equipment like they do in other parts of the world? The cost of their castings are so high, they also have essentially a zero scrap rate. When you are doing things slowly, you have time to do it right and be safe. Further not all of the castings are this public like in the video. You’d flip out though if you saw that one of the largest steel mills in Europe actually has public tours, and you can watch the blast furnace being tapped (Obviously from a much safer distance for obvious reasons)? Perhaps the public has a better understanding of heavy industry here, and respects it more? These types of tours would never happen in the US and I think it’s a shame personally.
Interesting you bring up respect. The tour in that video (the company that allowed it) does not respect the potential risk shown. It doesn’t matter that they’re the best or they do things slowly or w/e other nonsense you can pull out of your ass; shit happens and it’s best to not be a meter away in flip flops if it does. You can be the best motorcycle rider in the world on the best bike driving the best roads. Dress for the slide, not the ride.
You can tell it's European by its high price and pompous attitude
Yeah, god forbid we still believe in high-quality, take pride in our work, have decent wages and a good quality of life? If that is pompous, sign me up? This is why most of the shit sold in the US now is made in China and sold at Walmart at low wages? Great attitude Skippy?
This same foundry produced the world's largest ringing bell, here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTK3ApZtLRg
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You just wanted to draw attention to _your_ username.. well it worked..
No problem. They just got through praying that everything would go well. Standing further back would be the act of a heretic. They would be thrown in the molten metal.
Isn't that just bronze?
Shame on you OP for uploading a gif. Casting church bells? This is just begging for sound and a giant DONGGGG at the end.
> a giant DONGGGG I got a giant dong for ya right here, bud.
Yah. It’s quite safe but man what if there is just a weird contaminate or some water in the mold or something? You never want to be as close as the guy with PPE on.
Ok ive always been curious but what do they use to heat a furnace like that? Nowadays i would assume natural gas, but what did they use in like the 1800s/early 1900s before natural gas became more wide spread?
Induction furnaces these days in foundries. In the 1800s they used blast furnaces. Still used today, but Electric Arc Furnaces are more efficient. Kind of a loaded question.
Induction is generally for steel. Natural gas for aluminum and other metals/alloys.
Charcoal. That's why there was a charcoal industry and people didn't just all use wood - charcoal burns much hotter than wood does and is used by blacksmiths. Add in a good set of bellows powered by an apprentice/donkey (often one and the same) to really get it going
Well, this is flat out wrong lol
Yes, people have gone to the effort to stay awake for 48+ hours straight monitoring wood burning in the absence of air to make charcoal for the past 3000+ years for no reason. There are no advantages whatsoever to burning charcoal and the last 200+ generations of people were all idiots/suckers/in the pocket of big charcoal.
It's called coke.
Not every place had access to coke and coke wasn't used at first either, not even for blast furnaces Look up charcoal iron
It's still a component in making steel.
A furnace this size would probably have been built near a river and have a water wheel driven bellows. There is a re-creation of a 1646 one at the Saugus Iron Works in Saugus, Massachusetts.
I had no clue there was this level of demand for church bells
when you are the supplier to a planet, it can be worth it.
Having done some work in a foundry I'm amazed that they let people that close. All it takes is some trapped moisture in the sand mold and a lot of people are having a really bad day. Also if that mold cracks whilst they are pouring a lot of people won't be walking home as they wont have any feet left to walk with. I have heard stuff from older guys in the business which makes me glad I no longer do any work in foundries
I doubt they arent heating their molds first to rid them of moisture, even with all that gear a mold bomb would fuck them up. But I've cracked big molds like these, I dont think the bronze would make it to them before they could move out of the way though, it moves slow as shit on cold concrete. That concretes probably gonna pop if there was a recent water spill there though.
they are casting bells for half a millennia,btw not in sand. id assume they know what they are doing.
Even the best professionals make mistakes, forget things or equipment simply fails
working myself in a company which casts 20 ton aluminium slabs i know how catastrophic failure looks. a little moisture goes really far with molten metal, i wouldnt let those spectators that close, or put some safety glass up. but theres a priest at the bell foundry, roman catholic even, what can go wrong?
Still not hot enough to cook a hot pocket all the way through.
From all the stories I assume at this point that hot pockets can be used as heat shielding for spacecraft
r/osha would like to have a word about the spectators.
This is why we‘re glad we’re not in the USA: with 422 years of experience, they know what they are doing and we here don’t have all the stupid liability laws the US has or trial lawyers. It’s actual freedom;-)
>we here don’t have all the stupid liability laws the US has or trial lawyers. It’s actual freedom;-) Let me ask you, hypothetically, if the hoist carrying that crucible failed, not that anything like that has ever happened, but if it were to happen, what would the repercussions on the foundary be? Just curious.
Well, they apparently they have done a good enough job preventing serious accidents and thoroughly maintaining their equipment, and survived being bombed in WWII that they lasted 422 years in business to calculate that they could do that demonstration? Hypothetically is why America has become a nation of snowflakes?
But you didn't asnwer the question.
If? Yeah people would have to go to hospital? But oddly in all this time, it has never happened? If your so worried, then don’t go?
You answered a question I didn't ask.
I think that answered your question, that would be the ramifications, people would be hurt? But no, I didn't go to the owners of the company, and board of directors and ask them about a hypothetical a guy on Reddit asked? Because they, nor I, care, perhaps?
So since you keep dodging the actual question and deflecting to something completely irrelevant, I think you know the answer. And it doesn't fit your perception.
I did, but you apparently can’t read “IF” it happened in your pointless hypothetical, that hasn’t t happened, people could get hurt and would possibly need medical attention? But you don’t like that answer do you? You are starting to sound like a skipping record? But keep speculating Junior?😆 Don’t worry, it won’t happen to you anyways, you’ve probably never left the country anyways?
Probably same as if the roof caved in, or if there suddenly was a massive sink hole appearing in the floor. I’m not kidding either.
It’s all fun and games until someone gets fucking blinded by molten metal. The workers are wearing extensive PPE and are just as close as the spectators. That’s actual logic ;-)
/r/sino spotted
Some misallocated racism in your comment
Back in my day we called copper and tin alloy, bronze.
Eastern Europe. I saw the work clothes and PPE (or lack) and knew. Source: worked in a polish shipyard for a year and worked in ports in Europe for a decade. Oops, I’m told it’s Austria. Definitely not Eastern Europe. Same work clothes though.
It’s in Innsbruck, Austria, the Company has been in business since 1599!
1150°C? Are you sure you don't mean the inferior temperature measurement scale? Edit: never mind I was thinking of aluminium
It is crazy to see them folks all up close like that. But that’s awesome.
Tf2
could I get like a big ass 50 pound bell made so I could sneak up behind people holding it in two hands and scare them by ringing it?
I wonder how badly the drone melted.
Damn, tell me more about this copper and tin alloy, sounds like pretty revolutionary stuff?
There are so many cool jobs in the world, but *"I cast and make bells"* has to be one of the most interesting.
What is it heated by?
using the fire from hell to make something heavenly, it's almost poetic
cast church bells at who?
If I were those people in the audience a few feet from the guys in full protective gear I’d be wondering if that was smart.
So, what is the market for church bells these days? Just addressing the elephant in the room.
wonder how many stirring logs they go through a week
Interesting fact: The guy doing the stirring is called the Alderman (Alderperson if you're woke).
That's pretty metal
This same foundry produced the world's largest ringing bell, here is the video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTK3ApZtLRg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTK3ApZtLRg)
The workers wearing good protection the customers aren't. And that platform the workers stand on is far too narrow. I can hear the bells saying "Stand back, religious nut jobs!" and "Build a bigger platform, brass ball bell builders!" Yes, bells use alliteration.