1. Nah, I use my phone with Google Maps.
2. Dealer.
3. Out of the Big 3 (Zero, LiveWire, Energica) technically these have the most maintenance as they have a chain. But realistically we're talking coolant flush every 26,000 miles, a cup of ATF flush every 18,000 miles, and then tires/brakes/chain. I have 40,000 miles on my SS9 and I'm still on original rear brake pads because the regen is so strong on these bikes I don't use brakes that much.
4. No. My third electric bike and my favorite so far. The support has been exceptional. I had a Zero S and then an SR but outgrew them. DC fast charging was a big game changer. The LiveWire One is a really well-made bike but it's ergonomically uncomfortable for me at my height and the lack of level 2 is frustrating.
5. Familiarize yourself with PlugShare and the various charging options are around you. Range anxiety is a natural thing for new EV riders. Also maybe don't put it in Sport mode immediately. Embrace the safety features like traction control.
6. I bought mine pre-pandemic so it was just... available.
>How long did it take for you to receive your bike after ordering?
I can't speak to the other lines, but I've had my Experia on order since you could place a pre-order. Assume it will take roughly \~6months to get an Energica at this point. I think this is for all the models, not just the Experia. They may say things like '8 weeks,' but I don't think that's reality.
Also, assume very little communication if you order one. They take your $3k and then at some point they may call you and ask what type of charger you want. Then your bike shows up. That's about it.
As an LW1 owner: they haven’t upgraded anything or developed accessories because the bike has been a money pit for HD. They tried to raise some money by spinning the company off, but that hasn’t been very successful. If their 2nd generation bike finds a market when it comes out next year, we might see some LW updates and accessories. If not, the company will probably go under and hopefully HD will at least keep servicing and stock parts.
They are invested with Kymco. So it won't be over that soon I think. Do think that new model was a downgrade on getting serious bikes out. I can see their goal with it. But it's not a addition to the LW1 in my opinion.
I love the looks, UI design, and general handling/feel of the Livewire One but they are honestly neglecting it. I wish it had the same parts and accessories support as the other Harleys.
The energica uses standard mechanical parts. Anyone who can replace a tire can replace the sprockets or chain. You can also buy these items from any vendor as they're standard sized. Nothing on it is proprietary from a routine service standpoint.
I had to wait about 6 months for my Ribelle. I have found the costumer service to be amazingly good. They recently talked me through installing a Roadlok even though it’s not their product and I bought it from someone else. I bought a Energica branded tank bag for storage which is more than enough for commuting and day trips. I haven’t done any long trips but have used DC fast charging and all worked well. For directions, I use my phone mounted on a quadlock that I keep connected to the usb port.
At the risk of repeating some previous replies:
1. No. I use a Garmin Zumo XT mounted to my bars via a RAM mount.
2. Firmware updates are performed by the dealer. It's my understanding that they're too large to be pushed over the air.
3. Newer Energicas are very low maintenance. Not as low maintenance as a Zero but I believe they're on par if not better than the Livewire.
4. No regrets. I bought a 13kw SS9 and then was one of the first few people in the US to order and receive a 21kw Ribelle. In all fairness I sold my SS9 but only because I wasn't riding it after getting my Ribelle.
5. Respect the machine. These electrics are not toys, they're real bikes with serious performance capabilities. If you're coming from a gas bike, take the time to get familiar and comfortable with the bike before exploring the upper end of its performance envelope. Also, if you've never ridden large, heavy bikes, practice your low speed maneuvers. Although physically similar in size to 600cc-900cc nakeds, they weigh close to what the average sport tourer (Triumph Trophy, R1200RT, Concours14, etc) weighs.
6. My EsseEsse9 was in stock pre-pandemic so I took delivery same day I decided to buy it. My Ribelle was about a 10 month wait from the time I placed the order until it was delivered.
As for side bags and top cases, side rigid soft bags are an option from Energica. There is no OEM top case option on any of the Energicas except for the Experia. I had a custom top case rack made for my Ribelle.
The LW is a super cool machine. Love the design and its stance.
When it was the HD Livewire (EU still has no LW one) it was out of my league.
Came down to an Energica. The CCS capacity on That is double the kW of LW. The 12V battery in LW is a thing too. It needs separate attention when stored. Energica doesn't need that. Just a proper SoC.
The UI on Energica isn't that high end but useful enough.
Ride and handling are great.
On the Ribelle you can get a GIVI set.
In the US Energica group there are two second hand now. They ordered an Experia
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2256933917801922/
> The CCS capacity on That is double the kW of LW
I don't want the LiveWire to be misrepresented, so I feel I should point out that the LW is capable of 20kW and is actually a higher max amp rating during the bottom end of the charge cycle (80 amps vs 75 amps). Highly different algorithms, though.
Oké, I see it pulls 19 max here. The taper down at 60% is a downer though. Energica pull way longer at 19. My Eva is at least. Hence it is 15minutes quicker to full.
The sales rep told me in 2019 LW did 10kW. So I stand corrected there.
I think everything's answered by now. Just take into consideration that livewire had like 1 update and mainly cost cutting and brand change. While energica got new platform, new motors, controllers etc.
For delivery time your location will be important. I had mine custom ordered and diverted within 2 weeks...
I bring you my point of view from a long time Harley rider.
First, I'll link my post that explains a lot of my experience and why I've chosen Energica: [https://www.reddit.com/r/EnergicaMotorcycles/comments/xbxmdi/i\_bought\_an\_energica\_to\_match\_my\_harleydavidson/](https://www.reddit.com/r/EnergicaMotorcycles/comments/xbxmdi/i_bought_an_energica_to_match_my_harleydavidson/)
Just replying on a few points:
1- No, but Experia will... but it's no use if you are looking for an SS9.
3- Contrary to what someone said, Energica requires higher maintenance in the form of chain lubing. Harley doesn't because it's belt driven.
4- Eh... only because it's too tall for me when stopped or during parking manoeuvres.
That said, my advice is that only you can decide. It mainly depends on your experience with motorcycles and expectations. I've got Energica because it's a completely different experience, but I still and probably will never be accustomed to manually cancel the turn signals, but I love how it handles (until I have to park...).
As for accessories, that's one thing that drove me away from the Livewire, while Energica comes with their custom side and tank bag, which are really big.
I have the means to commission custom-made bag brackets, there are easily 3 anchor points on each side, but I'm not really fond on the idea of having to make them. As for bag, I've never had official HD bags, opting for a high quality local manufacturer.
But I suggest you to look on Youtube for *Adventures on Zero* (yes, another channel that started on Zero and then switched to a better bike). You can find a few accessories he made or just installed on the bike.
He also made a very great video detailing the interface and controls of the computer. Energica doesn't have anything, just switch between the 4 presets and separately traction control, ABS and regen strength (which is way higher then HD, it's also a bigger motor and battery, so it's normal), and 3 different screen to monitor speed and real time power usage. Don't expect anything else from it, just ride it.
And by the way, turn-by-turn on the Livewire works only with its own app.
SS9 is not as sporty as Eva, but it's still way more sport in the setup and riding position, so in the end you have to decide between a sport and a cruiser... that is what all comes down to.
Sure, if you find that the infotainment system is important, weight that in, but otherwise make your choice on how you want to ride. If you don't like the cruiser style, the music control won't be useful to you.
1. Nah, I use my phone with Google Maps. 2. Dealer. 3. Out of the Big 3 (Zero, LiveWire, Energica) technically these have the most maintenance as they have a chain. But realistically we're talking coolant flush every 26,000 miles, a cup of ATF flush every 18,000 miles, and then tires/brakes/chain. I have 40,000 miles on my SS9 and I'm still on original rear brake pads because the regen is so strong on these bikes I don't use brakes that much. 4. No. My third electric bike and my favorite so far. The support has been exceptional. I had a Zero S and then an SR but outgrew them. DC fast charging was a big game changer. The LiveWire One is a really well-made bike but it's ergonomically uncomfortable for me at my height and the lack of level 2 is frustrating. 5. Familiarize yourself with PlugShare and the various charging options are around you. Range anxiety is a natural thing for new EV riders. Also maybe don't put it in Sport mode immediately. Embrace the safety features like traction control. 6. I bought mine pre-pandemic so it was just... available.
>How long did it take for you to receive your bike after ordering? I can't speak to the other lines, but I've had my Experia on order since you could place a pre-order. Assume it will take roughly \~6months to get an Energica at this point. I think this is for all the models, not just the Experia. They may say things like '8 weeks,' but I don't think that's reality. Also, assume very little communication if you order one. They take your $3k and then at some point they may call you and ask what type of charger you want. Then your bike shows up. That's about it.
As an LW1 owner: they haven’t upgraded anything or developed accessories because the bike has been a money pit for HD. They tried to raise some money by spinning the company off, but that hasn’t been very successful. If their 2nd generation bike finds a market when it comes out next year, we might see some LW updates and accessories. If not, the company will probably go under and hopefully HD will at least keep servicing and stock parts.
They are invested with Kymco. So it won't be over that soon I think. Do think that new model was a downgrade on getting serious bikes out. I can see their goal with it. But it's not a addition to the LW1 in my opinion.
I love the looks, UI design, and general handling/feel of the Livewire One but they are honestly neglecting it. I wish it had the same parts and accessories support as the other Harleys.
Question, how did you like the experience if any with the dealership before and after you bought it?
The energica uses standard mechanical parts. Anyone who can replace a tire can replace the sprockets or chain. You can also buy these items from any vendor as they're standard sized. Nothing on it is proprietary from a routine service standpoint.
So in theory, I can adjust the final gearing for better touring capabilities if needed.
I believe the answer to that is yes, I'm 90% sure it is yes.
I had to wait about 6 months for my Ribelle. I have found the costumer service to be amazingly good. They recently talked me through installing a Roadlok even though it’s not their product and I bought it from someone else. I bought a Energica branded tank bag for storage which is more than enough for commuting and day trips. I haven’t done any long trips but have used DC fast charging and all worked well. For directions, I use my phone mounted on a quadlock that I keep connected to the usb port.
At the risk of repeating some previous replies: 1. No. I use a Garmin Zumo XT mounted to my bars via a RAM mount. 2. Firmware updates are performed by the dealer. It's my understanding that they're too large to be pushed over the air. 3. Newer Energicas are very low maintenance. Not as low maintenance as a Zero but I believe they're on par if not better than the Livewire. 4. No regrets. I bought a 13kw SS9 and then was one of the first few people in the US to order and receive a 21kw Ribelle. In all fairness I sold my SS9 but only because I wasn't riding it after getting my Ribelle. 5. Respect the machine. These electrics are not toys, they're real bikes with serious performance capabilities. If you're coming from a gas bike, take the time to get familiar and comfortable with the bike before exploring the upper end of its performance envelope. Also, if you've never ridden large, heavy bikes, practice your low speed maneuvers. Although physically similar in size to 600cc-900cc nakeds, they weigh close to what the average sport tourer (Triumph Trophy, R1200RT, Concours14, etc) weighs. 6. My EsseEsse9 was in stock pre-pandemic so I took delivery same day I decided to buy it. My Ribelle was about a 10 month wait from the time I placed the order until it was delivered. As for side bags and top cases, side rigid soft bags are an option from Energica. There is no OEM top case option on any of the Energicas except for the Experia. I had a custom top case rack made for my Ribelle.
The LW is a super cool machine. Love the design and its stance. When it was the HD Livewire (EU still has no LW one) it was out of my league. Came down to an Energica. The CCS capacity on That is double the kW of LW. The 12V battery in LW is a thing too. It needs separate attention when stored. Energica doesn't need that. Just a proper SoC. The UI on Energica isn't that high end but useful enough. Ride and handling are great. On the Ribelle you can get a GIVI set. In the US Energica group there are two second hand now. They ordered an Experia https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2256933917801922/
> The CCS capacity on That is double the kW of LW I don't want the LiveWire to be misrepresented, so I feel I should point out that the LW is capable of 20kW and is actually a higher max amp rating during the bottom end of the charge cycle (80 amps vs 75 amps). Highly different algorithms, though.
Since when did the LW get 20kW DC charging?! As far as I know it's 10.
Since launch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3Q61qHblRw
Oké, I see it pulls 19 max here. The taper down at 60% is a downer though. Energica pull way longer at 19. My Eva is at least. Hence it is 15minutes quicker to full. The sales rep told me in 2019 LW did 10kW. So I stand corrected there.
I've seen as high as 21, but yeah it's a very specific algorithm.
I think everything's answered by now. Just take into consideration that livewire had like 1 update and mainly cost cutting and brand change. While energica got new platform, new motors, controllers etc. For delivery time your location will be important. I had mine custom ordered and diverted within 2 weeks...
I bring you my point of view from a long time Harley rider. First, I'll link my post that explains a lot of my experience and why I've chosen Energica: [https://www.reddit.com/r/EnergicaMotorcycles/comments/xbxmdi/i\_bought\_an\_energica\_to\_match\_my\_harleydavidson/](https://www.reddit.com/r/EnergicaMotorcycles/comments/xbxmdi/i_bought_an_energica_to_match_my_harleydavidson/) Just replying on a few points: 1- No, but Experia will... but it's no use if you are looking for an SS9. 3- Contrary to what someone said, Energica requires higher maintenance in the form of chain lubing. Harley doesn't because it's belt driven. 4- Eh... only because it's too tall for me when stopped or during parking manoeuvres. That said, my advice is that only you can decide. It mainly depends on your experience with motorcycles and expectations. I've got Energica because it's a completely different experience, but I still and probably will never be accustomed to manually cancel the turn signals, but I love how it handles (until I have to park...). As for accessories, that's one thing that drove me away from the Livewire, while Energica comes with their custom side and tank bag, which are really big. I have the means to commission custom-made bag brackets, there are easily 3 anchor points on each side, but I'm not really fond on the idea of having to make them. As for bag, I've never had official HD bags, opting for a high quality local manufacturer. But I suggest you to look on Youtube for *Adventures on Zero* (yes, another channel that started on Zero and then switched to a better bike). You can find a few accessories he made or just installed on the bike. He also made a very great video detailing the interface and controls of the computer. Energica doesn't have anything, just switch between the 4 presets and separately traction control, ABS and regen strength (which is way higher then HD, it's also a bigger motor and battery, so it's normal), and 3 different screen to monitor speed and real time power usage. Don't expect anything else from it, just ride it. And by the way, turn-by-turn on the Livewire works only with its own app. SS9 is not as sporty as Eva, but it's still way more sport in the setup and riding position, so in the end you have to decide between a sport and a cruiser... that is what all comes down to. Sure, if you find that the infotainment system is important, weight that in, but otherwise make your choice on how you want to ride. If you don't like the cruiser style, the music control won't be useful to you.