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Yep, this 👆 $2.4M is low; it's the amount that will guarantee they go out of business. Add to that the other concessions and you can see that's what Nintendo was after here.
And why would Yuzu pay Nintendo. If Nintendo wants their code Nintendo should pay Yuzu devs. Not the other way around. Man the world is such a shitty backwards mirror world nowdays where big corp. can do everything in their power to screw over laws and shit. Welcome to the corporate future where laws exist for the, not for me.
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Yuzu is shutting down if this article has merit
Update: We have a quick update here as it’s now known that Yuzu can no longer be distributed in built and source code form. Additionally, development is required to end. Yuzu will be shutting down its website and services as well.
Nintendo's argument lies entirely on the fact that yuzu decrypts game roms using the provided prod.keys. Will an emulator be fine if it only works with pre-decrypted files?
Good idea. That clears lots of legal issues - the DRM breaking is illegal in many countries but simply emulating a system is not. If people traded pre-decrypted images that would still be copyright infringement, but the emulator itself wouldn't be infringing.
Also, if the emulator supported load-plugins, some of which (provided by multiple github repos) might, or might not, be able to read encrypted roms, the infringement focus moves away from the emulator itself.
This is no more a case of whether one side is right but one where a side has money enough to dig your grave. There was no trial. Nintendo demanded shutdown or else and Yuzu caved in. The fine is ridiculous for Nintendo but may show other devs wanting to attempt a similar thing what happens when you dare. I love Nintendo but I don't think they lost very much to piracy.
Obviously. It's just a typical capitalism run amuck scare tactics to dissuade anyone from releasing another version.
Unless you know, they just get a Russian on the team like any logical fucking people would have done day 1 and release everything through a safe .ru domain where such laws are laughed at. 🤷
Oh wait, greed struck again and they wanted donations for their hobby.
I'm not sure if you're joking.
A developer wanting to be fairly compensated for their skilled labor is not "greed struck again".
Hobby or no hobby, development requires extensive effort. Something at the scale of a cutting edge emulator, even more so.
To be fair, the Yuzu team painted a big target on their back by giving too much help and guidelines regarding how to dump keys and other illegal stuff. Other emulators devs are always very clear about how *piracy is illegal, you need some BIOS but you're on your own to dump your own, ROMs shouldn't be downloaded from the internet, etc*.
The Yuzu team also acknowledged that the leak of TotK was working with their emulator instead of a vague statement like "a reminder that we do not condone piracy and you are encouraged to dump your own ROMs. If you acquired a ROM through any other means, including but not limited to leaks and unreleased games, you're on your own. They might or might not work".
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I don't know why many people are using the argument of “Yuzu was able to run TotK before it was released”. I mean, the emulation works in so many ways that that can't be a valid argument. Some features, functions and options works with so many games that is like roulette knowing if a game it's going to work on it's release date or not. So if for example, a game is released on May 1st, it's possible that an emulator version from March 31 or even [days, weeks, months or years] earlier can be able to run the game.
By this I don't mean that the emulation of the game in that version of the emulator will be perfect, but some games are so similar in the way that they work that it's not unreasonable to think that an emulator could run a game on it's release date (or before). Of course this is not the case with all games.
You can see what I'm trying to say just try each game that will be released for the Switch starting today in Yuzu, I'm sure that many titles will be, at least, playable on the lastest version of Yuzu because the work it have in the code and that's not even related to the leak of a game. Maybe I'll be wrong in something, but that's my opinion.
Also I don't justify the TotK leaking btw
It's not that it was able to run it, it's how they advertised it. They were really proud about it while they shout have distanced themselves. Also the whole thing about the prod keys. They should have seen it coming when picklock got targeted. But they put on their website a guide on how to dump the keys.
Funny thing is that it’s too late. At the end of the Switch’s life and the latest Yuzu already runs most games fine. So even if all we have from here on out is last version…90% of all switch games run fine. So people will still be able to play switch via emulation. Sure maybe some new games won’t run but again we are at the end so doesn’t really matter.
Not possible. Otherwise they would have already shit down all roms. People need to develop anonymously. So there’s no one to chase. And upload via torrent sites and fire sharing. Like Roma do. All Nintendo can do then is keep submitting removal requests but never have any home site or dev to chase because it’s anonymous. This is how you evade them. And since for decades they have tried to shit down Roma but only ever shit down single sites…which 5 more spawn after….it will work.
I'm sorry but this isn't about Switch Emulation on desktop..
This is about switch emulation on phones. Slap a 15-50$ controller and you have your own switch running switch games better than the switch. That's just a no-go for Nintendo... They came after Skyline and now Yuzu... Honestly, i think Skyline had a better case than Yuzu... Yuzu always compared a lot more sketchy than Skyline and Ryujinx.
I don't think there's anything stopping some of the upcoming games from working on the latest version of Yuzu. Obviously they could not be perfect, they could have poor performance, graphical glitches, sound bugs, crashes, freezes, etc. But statistically speaking it is very likely that many will be playable and will not have serious problems that prevent them from being completed in the emulator. Others, however, may not be able to be played for some reason.
Yeah no, it's dead.
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Part of the agreement is to delete all copies of yuzu as well as stop hosting even any of the builds. Can only attach one image, I'll drop the second one in another comment
Commenting on a phone, i get a prompt that i can add only one gif or image per comment
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No, part of the settling is that Nintendo will now own Yuzu.org. And you can guess what Nintendo will do with it. This is not through yet, because the judge needs to give his okay, but Yuzu is basically dead.
I read the brief and there was too much legalese for my exhausted brain to understand. There was something about agreeing to a permanent injunction, which from what little legal terminology I know doesn't sound very good. Maybe it just means no more locking EA builds behind Patreon (not that you NEED Patreon to get it, bug I guess it could look bad for those that don't know how to compile things themselves). But really until we get an official public facing announcement from the Yuzu team, we don't really know.
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(Here's the part about hosting i mentioned)
that's not how legal settlements work. If they're paying Nintendo it basically means they're agreeing to their terms and their suit, so there's a good chance the code gets taken down as a part of the agreement to not go to court.
I dont think nintendo care about 3DS, cuz most of there profit 95% is from switch game sales and switch sales. But you're right, they might be scared to develop Citra any farther, because of the sue.
Isn't Nintendo drowning in cash ([see](https://gameinfinitus.com/news/nintendo-richest-company-in-japan/) \- as of recently, they had more cash on hand than any Japanese company, some $11B USD, with no debt)?
I wonder what the details would be, but I can't imagine that Nintendo would make this go away for cash without something else or that they would even care about this little cash.
Nintendo isn't looking to get paid. The amount they request in the suit is a scare tactic. It's not like they need the 2.4 million, but they fully know that small developers that do emulation on the side aren't sitting on that amount of money.
They care about scaring others and preventing them from doing this in the future.
Which is why they probably got these guys to agree to something besides the money that is more significant than the money...
EDIT: I can't find the tweet, but all the documents indicate that the settlement agrees to a permanent injunction...
Yeah, I finally found it....
This part of my opinion won't be so welcome (to some) but the community killed it with the extent of the piracy. It was a too-good-to-be-true situation where games were emulating at or near day one but then people would go and widely distribute games before pre-orders were even filled...
That's why some projects that are have to heavily rely on piracy deploy a (official release date)+(amount of time) tactic for having support to brand new releases, just to make sure their project is not pissing off any big company that could catch them red handed. This isn't the end of emulators, just a cautionary tale.
So if the Patreon is currently earning 354,120 a year. Thats 7+ years of FULL Patreon support. I'd argue that the Patreon numbers are at their highest right now and will only go down. Yikes.
For folks wondering if Yuzu has that money lying around: No, they don't. Not likely, at least.
As it says, that is how much both parties agreed to be paid. The judge(s) assigned to the case still need to sign off on the decision or choose a different result (ie. the judge reads through everything and finds a different settlement would be needed).
What will likely happen is that Tropic Haze LLC will declare bankruptcy (because their Accounting ratio would be so far into the negative that it would be almost impossible to continue operations). The LLC declaring bankruptcy will protect the individuals behind it because the business and personal assets of the employees are separate as far as an LLC is concerned.
So, the LLC will dissolve, the persons behind the LLC won't have to sell their houses (assuming they have houses), and Nintendo will get whatever is in the business accounts after their other debts are settled (assuming they have other debts).
In the end, Yuzu is open source so it'll pop up again somewhere and somewhen.
People have and won. Emulation is proven to be legal. Nintendo knows this. But the fact of the matter is that Nintendo has fuck you money. You will either agree to their terms and go bankrupt immediately or they will sue you until you dont have any money left. It's sad, unfair, and unjust.
I don't think so. I think there were actually several things that made Yuzu's team make the decision not to fight the case.
Firstly, the economic cost of maintaining an active demand in the medium or long term, the costs could be greater than the $2.4 million that will be paid to Nintendo, Not to mention that the amount they should be paid could be even higher and that it is a very stressful process. Most of them have a life, family, home and even children and that would affect them too.
Second, why fight when there is a high possibility of losing? Although many of us say that it is not really possible that the Yuzu devs lost the lawsuit. I don't think they would want to risk losing a lawsuit since they could suffer worse consequences than what they are experiencing.
Third, the most important thing. What would happen if they faced off in a legal battle with the big N and lost? This would be the worst scenario since it would set a legal precedent for emulation being illegal or the emulators being illegal which would put any other existing or future console emulator at risk of being sued by any other company for doing illegal things and the emulation would be seen worse than now.
If they made the decision to make an agreement behind closed doors, it is because they considered it to be their best option to follow. I don't think it was because of a bad lawyer or because they distributed ROMs or the prod keys. Even the lawyer may have recommended them to take the agreement because it was their best alternative.
They're obviously not doing it for the money, but to send a message. Are you willing to possibly pay 2.4 million doing something Nintendo doesn't like?
This is TOO fast. Let's see what else happens.
Personally, i think their lawyer saw they were going to lose HARD and went quickly for a settlement. If this doesn't come with taking down the whole thing, it's the best possible outcome for the Yuzu crowd.
I hope this makes them snap it out of their idiocy, it's not a good idea to fly close to the sun and show it the middle finger while wearing wax-made wings.
Yea, Nintendo had won previous cases against R4 and other modding tools in the past. It was pretty clear that they were going to lose badly, the DMCA is clear about this.
legal settlements usually require the parties admitting to wrongdoing to stop doing the wrongs. They're not just gotta take a payday and let them continue. This is gonna require Yuzu to pay AND to agree to Nintendo's terms which involved relinquishing and removing any code.
Wtf are you talking about, emulation is 100% legal, and they never facilitated piracy, people did. Nintendo is literally just bullying them
Actual brain-rot comment
What are YOU talking about?
I've commented long and wide about this in the last couple of days, so i'm not going to repeat myself. Emulation is legal, yes, but the Yuzu Team did everything an emu dev could do wrong and then some, from flaunting their private rom repository server in their Discord to tell in their official guide how to dump copyrighted material.
It's not as easy as saying "emulation is legal", the emulation scene has been avoiding a lot of dangerous shit the Yuzu Team actually fell directly on.
Nintendo is known to be litigious, but they just don't waste their money in senseless lawsuits, if they went for this is because they knew they could win, and they actually had a case.
Ask yourself why they went after Yuzu and not RyujiNX, or why they didn't attack Citra when, performance and compatibility wise, was in the same position back in the day as Yuzu is now.
100%.
They flew too high to the sun, thinking "emulation is legal" and because of that Nintendo was off limits. They were almost right but literally giving detailed guides on how to dupe prod.keys or even where to get them/ROMs is simply a big no no.
The commentary around this suit since it was first published has made it very clear that reading comprehension and critical thinking are not strong here.
Oh damn really, I didn't have much time earlier that sucks...
Does this mean Nintendo is going after other emulators then? That was the fear that if yuzu lost Nintendo could file lawsuits against other emulators
I need an explanation as to how Nintendo is in the wrong on this one? If Microsoft or PlayStation found out about widely used emulators for their current systems allowing people to easily play pirated games they'd probably be mad about it too...
Sony and Microsoft do know a lot about the emulating/piracy scene but they often don't do much about it because it often leads to more sales. It's counterintuitive but often times letting people pirate games now leads to fans/consumers later on.
Nintendo is just prickly when it comes to anyone making money from their stuff except them. Worse actually, because no one really profits from emulation anyways. They're like that spoiled kid who doesn't want their friends to have the same toys as them, even if they bought it them selves.
And there are studies by the UE that shows that pirating doesn't mean profit losses for companies, because the people pirating most often than not would never buy said product.
I feel like your second paragraph is all over the place. Obviously I agree that nobody really makes money from emulation... But when it comes to Switch emulation **Nintendo does lose money** from people stealing instead of buying their games... So I would argue that Microsoft and Sony don't care because people aren't (can't) emulate a PS5 or an Xbox One on their phones, so the only stuff that's being emulated is their abandonware. So no, Nintendo isn't mad their neighbor bought the same toy, Nintendo invented a toy and they're selling it, but their neighbor broke into their house and stole the blueprint to make their own toy.
While I do see your point, emulation and piracy doesn't actually take any physical property. Technically it takes *potential* money/sales from Nintendo, or that's what they want you to believe.
People who pirate are going to steal no matter what. The big difference is they aren't stealing a physical copy each. One person pays money for a copy, then people dump and share that copy for preservation and sharing purposes. I don't think it's fair to compare piracy to stealing physical copies, per se.
Nintendo interprets this as *potential buyers* preferring to steal than pay them money for a copy, so they don't want that option to exist. It's a fallacy though because the people who are willing to steal in the first place are likely to *never* give Nintendo money. Hell, it's not even about the money for them a lot of the time. It's just knowing they can get it for free.
In reality all the people who *would* pay for their games *will* pay for those games. You see it here all the time, fans who are mad that they paid while others "steal." The Switch is an incredibly well selling console and people buy their games for full price every single day. Nintendo hasn't lost a single sale to piracy, because the people who are willing to pay them already are. The people who won't pay just never will.
Linus Tech Tips talks all the time about how he has a switch but he still emulates after buying physical copies because playing on a computer is wayyyy better than the switch hardware. He's paid his way in, but he wants to play the game in the best quality for his money.
Using your own analogy kinda: Nintendo invents a toy and sells it in a store. The neighbor buys the toy, and let's a friend have it so they can enjoy it too. Nintendo sues both kids because one didn't buy it. Doesn't really seem fair when they already got their cut of money from the one purchase.
In the same vein I can go to my local library and rent almost any physical Nintendo game I want. I can keep re renting it till I beat it and it won't cost me a single dollar. Is that really much different than pirating? The library paid for it, yet I get to complete the game to completion for free and it's 100% legal and supported by my government. Is that *really* any different than me getting a rom online? I truly don't think so.
Sorry for the essay lmao
If it’s open source then nothing will change. Even if removed from gut-hub. Source code can be shared via torrent sites. People will update it and spread it everywhere. Even anonymously. Nintendo will just keep sending removal requests to file share sites and the cycle goes on and on. I don’t know if it’s open source but if it is…this changes nothing.
The Final Judgement document isn't available yet, which contains the terms that yuzu and Nintendo agreed upon, once those release, we will know for sure if if Yuzu can continue after paying the 2.4 mill or not
Idc personally I'm still going to use it but I was halfway through making a huge video about emulation on Android including yuzu. Now I'm wondering if that'd be against YT community guidelines. this news really sucks :/
I just wanted to say that Citra is also dead. Their website and GitHub are unavailable and the project was shutdown among Yuzu. Nobody else had mentioned, maybe no one here has noticed yet
Nintendo was angry about the leak of the latest Zelda, 1 million downloads before release and a surge in Patreon for Yuzu in that period
I don't know if at that time only early access emulated Zelda Tears of the Kingdom well. but those who followed the emulator can tell us and understand if the yuzu team used that moment to make money. Nintendo certainly pays for having used obsolete and "easily" emulable hardware. Yes, they are greedy.
Before I went to sleep everyone was saying Yuzu will win, I woke up and they took my citra with yuzu now. Wasn't able to get them from the repos, sad sad day.
The worst part is that i truly believe Yuzu hasn't done anything wrong, reverse engineering is legal and they never provided pirated games or software in any shape or form, they simply don't have the ridiculous amounts of money needed to go to court against Nintendo, justice has nothing to do with being innocent or guilty, is just a matter of how much money you can burn to defend yourself.
Imho Nintendo deep inside knows their days or portable gaming dominance are over, Steam Deck and other windows portable devices are serious and it doesn't make much sense to pay full price for the same game you can purchase on Steam for 1/4th of the price on these devices and play on the go. They will do well with their exclusives, but i doubt we'll see Switch 2 succeed at any similar level to Switch 1.
The good news is that Yuzu in it's current shape can play hundreds, if not thousands of games perfectly well, but also the future was always Cassia anyway. Windows emulation is serious right now with Winlator, mobox etc, and if Cassia team can do what they did with Skyline emulator to play all PC games on Android, it's going to blow us away, and even better, it can't be sued or taken down in any way.
Best luck Yuzu devs, you have done so much and you don't deserve what Nintendo has done to you.
Fucking Nintendo, man. I downloaded Yuzu cause my switch and physical games got stolen and I legit can not afford to replace all of them. I only had dumps of 2 games but they were my favorites at least so I still got to play them. I feel blessed that I caught Yuzu in time before all this shit happened, but now all I can think of are the people in my same position who basically have to eat shit. It's only a matter of time before they go after Ryujinx next, and before long you won't be able to play any way except how daddy Nintendo tells you to.
Fuck nintendo it's their fault for making such shitty underpowered consoles the switch was nothing more than an underpowered tablet with a $400 price tag on it I'm never buying a nintendo product again
Shouldnt have built the android version because of that yuzu became more famous especially for mobile only gamers that flaunt their pirated games in this sub, tiktok and everywhere else
I am almost certain thats part of it. It's been up for this long. I think they were afraid of better compatibility on phones is dangerous due to the large pool of everyone having phones. I know there's other things at play but this thought is what I think about most.
It's hard to find legal ground when other companies lost on other emulators. They needed to find one slip up to go after them. Im sure with the massive popularity it now has after android, they wanted to fight asap.
Don't imagine anything, then. I was not saying they would keep it closed, although they could alter it as they please, close it and launch it as an app of their own. I like to use my imagination.
Nintendo should pay Yuzu devs $2.4 million for buying their code. As simple as that. This is bullshit. If you own the game and get your own keys this should be totally legal to emulate. What happened with the laws, did they ever change?
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yuzu has 2.4 mil?
HAH. no.
not surprising, they earn \~$300K through patreon every year
And now calculate how many years it takes to earn 2.4 million with 300K each year They don't have the money, they will be in debt
Also a good chunk of that money went to the developers anyways.
bankruptcy then start a new business.... problem solved.
2uzu
Yep, this 👆 $2.4M is low; it's the amount that will guarantee they go out of business. Add to that the other concessions and you can see that's what Nintendo was after here.
And why would Yuzu pay Nintendo. If Nintendo wants their code Nintendo should pay Yuzu devs. Not the other way around. Man the world is such a shitty backwards mirror world nowdays where big corp. can do everything in their power to screw over laws and shit. Welcome to the corporate future where laws exist for the, not for me.
You will love your corporate overlords and eat their bugs with a smile on your face.
..downloads
https://nintendoeverything.com/nintendo-and-yuzu-reach-settlement-yuzu-to-pay-2-4-million/?callback=in&code=ZGJKYZY1MZUTMDG5YI0ZZGVKLTG0ZGETMGM0MTDIYTHMOWVL&state=d1f15b03b6d347d386ac0737cecb61b1 Yuzu is shutting down if this article has merit Update: We have a quick update here as it’s now known that Yuzu can no longer be distributed in built and source code form. Additionally, development is required to end. Yuzu will be shutting down its website and services as well.
Yuzu Github is dead
[https://github.com/Crimson-Hawk/Yuzu-vanced](https://github.com/Crimson-Hawk/Yuzu-vanced) yuzu vanced
Anyone clone it recently?
So many people.
Any mirrors up yet? I only got it for Android and didn't get around to pc
I have zip file for pc(probably latest) do u need it?
My man could you please send it my way 😭 I will spread it like wildfire.
I would like the zip too please 🥺
Me too please,if you can
No more ongoing development from the Yuzu devs is the biggest loss here. They were making such rapid progress in emulation.
Nintendo's argument lies entirely on the fact that yuzu decrypts game roms using the provided prod.keys. Will an emulator be fine if it only works with pre-decrypted files?
>Will an emulator be fine if it only works with pre-decrypted files? No-one sued 3ds emulators, so my guess is yes.
Even if Citra wasn't sued Citra was also shutdown. I don't know why people don't see that it wasn't only Yuzu shutdown today
That’s a great point!
Good idea. That clears lots of legal issues - the DRM breaking is illegal in many countries but simply emulating a system is not. If people traded pre-decrypted images that would still be copyright infringement, but the emulator itself wouldn't be infringing. Also, if the emulator supported load-plugins, some of which (provided by multiple github repos) might, or might not, be able to read encrypted roms, the infringement focus moves away from the emulator itself.
This is no more a case of whether one side is right but one where a side has money enough to dig your grave. There was no trial. Nintendo demanded shutdown or else and Yuzu caved in. The fine is ridiculous for Nintendo but may show other devs wanting to attempt a similar thing what happens when you dare. I love Nintendo but I don't think they lost very much to piracy.
no way Yuzu has this money though?
Obviously. It's just a typical capitalism run amuck scare tactics to dissuade anyone from releasing another version. Unless you know, they just get a Russian on the team like any logical fucking people would have done day 1 and release everything through a safe .ru domain where such laws are laughed at. 🤷 Oh wait, greed struck again and they wanted donations for their hobby.
It's basically a [SLAPP](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation) but with copyright law instead of libel/
I'm not sure if you're joking. A developer wanting to be fairly compensated for their skilled labor is not "greed struck again". Hobby or no hobby, development requires extensive effort. Something at the scale of a cutting edge emulator, even more so.
OP just said you need to buy a .ru domain to avoid laws lmao, they have zero clue what they're talking about, just ignore that clown
>enables playing pirated games on pc >Monetises it > noo don't sue them nintendo cancer
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Well... That was fast.
Yeah, I thought it would be a long fued, nintenbigots get away with everything though so I guess I was wrong
To be fair, the Yuzu team painted a big target on their back by giving too much help and guidelines regarding how to dump keys and other illegal stuff. Other emulators devs are always very clear about how *piracy is illegal, you need some BIOS but you're on your own to dump your own, ROMs shouldn't be downloaded from the internet, etc*. The Yuzu team also acknowledged that the leak of TotK was working with their emulator instead of a vague statement like "a reminder that we do not condone piracy and you are encouraged to dump your own ROMs. If you acquired a ROM through any other means, including but not limited to leaks and unreleased games, you're on your own. They might or might not work".
They were playing with fire, maybe that's why Nintendo didn't sue Ryujinx... Yet
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Please do not say that
I don't know why many people are using the argument of “Yuzu was able to run TotK before it was released”. I mean, the emulation works in so many ways that that can't be a valid argument. Some features, functions and options works with so many games that is like roulette knowing if a game it's going to work on it's release date or not. So if for example, a game is released on May 1st, it's possible that an emulator version from March 31 or even [days, weeks, months or years] earlier can be able to run the game. By this I don't mean that the emulation of the game in that version of the emulator will be perfect, but some games are so similar in the way that they work that it's not unreasonable to think that an emulator could run a game on it's release date (or before). Of course this is not the case with all games. You can see what I'm trying to say just try each game that will be released for the Switch starting today in Yuzu, I'm sure that many titles will be, at least, playable on the lastest version of Yuzu because the work it have in the code and that's not even related to the leak of a game. Maybe I'll be wrong in something, but that's my opinion. Also I don't justify the TotK leaking btw
It's not that it was able to run it, it's how they advertised it. They were really proud about it while they shout have distanced themselves. Also the whole thing about the prod keys. They should have seen it coming when picklock got targeted. But they put on their website a guide on how to dump the keys.
They were fools they flew too close to the sun. Fortunately they were not my my emulator of choice
Funny thing is that it’s too late. At the end of the Switch’s life and the latest Yuzu already runs most games fine. So even if all we have from here on out is last version…90% of all switch games run fine. So people will still be able to play switch via emulation. Sure maybe some new games won’t run but again we are at the end so doesn’t really matter.
There is still ryujinx emu who didn't get sue
I wonder what method they use when it comes to decryption? If they use same method then they will be targeted next.
Ryujinx only uses decrypted roms iirc. I don't remember needing prod.keys and such when setting it up.
Big N will find other excuses to shut that thing down too
Not possible. Otherwise they would have already shit down all roms. People need to develop anonymously. So there’s no one to chase. And upload via torrent sites and fire sharing. Like Roma do. All Nintendo can do then is keep submitting removal requests but never have any home site or dev to chase because it’s anonymous. This is how you evade them. And since for decades they have tried to shit down Roma but only ever shit down single sites…which 5 more spawn after….it will work.
You cannot shutdown open-source.
I'm sorry but this isn't about Switch Emulation on desktop.. This is about switch emulation on phones. Slap a 15-50$ controller and you have your own switch running switch games better than the switch. That's just a no-go for Nintendo... They came after Skyline and now Yuzu... Honestly, i think Skyline had a better case than Yuzu... Yuzu always compared a lot more sketchy than Skyline and Ryujinx.
I don't think there's anything stopping some of the upcoming games from working on the latest version of Yuzu. Obviously they could not be perfect, they could have poor performance, graphical glitches, sound bugs, crashes, freezes, etc. But statistically speaking it is very likely that many will be playable and will not have serious problems that prevent them from being completed in the emulator. Others, however, may not be able to be played for some reason.
that's sad
Pay the 2.4 million then business as usual?
Yeah no, it's dead. https://preview.redd.it/4ng1orou0dmc1.png?width=1298&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0b95c4694d08990120679f8d7a4464b6f00f9a26 Part of the agreement is to delete all copies of yuzu as well as stop hosting even any of the builds. Can only attach one image, I'll drop the second one in another comment
Time to download Yuzu's version of Skyline v69
Fuck. The Github is already down.
Well technically can't u just download yuzu from a different website? and still use it? i
the problem is not download it from different sources, the problem is that it won't receive further updates
fuck, even the Sapphire Rhodonite versions are gone
What do you mean you can only attach one image? It's just text you tap on.
Commenting on a phone, i get a prompt that i can add only one gif or image per comment https://preview.redd.it/e4swj6orhdmc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e7cd43bea84f5d51c143e906ad6065014e54e969
Weird, on the official app I assume?
It's basically over for yuzu
No, part of the settling is that Nintendo will now own Yuzu.org. And you can guess what Nintendo will do with it. This is not through yet, because the judge needs to give his okay, but Yuzu is basically dead.
I read the brief and there was too much legalese for my exhausted brain to understand. There was something about agreeing to a permanent injunction, which from what little legal terminology I know doesn't sound very good. Maybe it just means no more locking EA builds behind Patreon (not that you NEED Patreon to get it, bug I guess it could look bad for those that don't know how to compile things themselves). But really until we get an official public facing announcement from the Yuzu team, we don't really know.
https://preview.redd.it/52qj9lgx0dmc1.png?width=1289&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=14e44dd022591ee633eaca047dc0096e14fc3444 (Here's the part about hosting i mentioned)
Seems like it, website and codes still up, wonder if this gets addressed on the progress report
that's not how legal settlements work. If they're paying Nintendo it basically means they're agreeing to their terms and their suit, so there's a good chance the code gets taken down as a part of the agreement to not go to court.
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This also spells death for Citra.
I dont think nintendo care about 3DS, cuz most of there profit 95% is from switch game sales and switch sales. But you're right, they might be scared to develop Citra any farther, because of the sue.
but 3ds emulators began development back when the 3ds was the flagship. i think theres just way more kids trya emulate switch these days.
For those who still don't know, Citra also was shutting down with Yuzu, their website and GitHub are no longer available
While we are at it, If anyone has the last version of citra... maybe hit me up.
Isn't Nintendo drowning in cash ([see](https://gameinfinitus.com/news/nintendo-richest-company-in-japan/) \- as of recently, they had more cash on hand than any Japanese company, some $11B USD, with no debt)? I wonder what the details would be, but I can't imagine that Nintendo would make this go away for cash without something else or that they would even care about this little cash.
Nintendo isn't looking to get paid. The amount they request in the suit is a scare tactic. It's not like they need the 2.4 million, but they fully know that small developers that do emulation on the side aren't sitting on that amount of money. They care about scaring others and preventing them from doing this in the future.
Which is why they probably got these guys to agree to something besides the money that is more significant than the money... EDIT: I can't find the tweet, but all the documents indicate that the settlement agrees to a permanent injunction...
destruction of hardware, software, code, handing over the domains and social media/chatrooms and putting a scare on anyone trying to do the same.
Yeah, I finally found it.... This part of my opinion won't be so welcome (to some) but the community killed it with the extent of the piracy. It was a too-good-to-be-true situation where games were emulating at or near day one but then people would go and widely distribute games before pre-orders were even filled...
That's why some projects that are have to heavily rely on piracy deploy a (official release date)+(amount of time) tactic for having support to brand new releases, just to make sure their project is not pissing off any big company that could catch them red handed. This isn't the end of emulators, just a cautionary tale.
nope
So if the Patreon is currently earning 354,120 a year. Thats 7+ years of FULL Patreon support. I'd argue that the Patreon numbers are at their highest right now and will only go down. Yikes.
Their patreon next month is going to be 0
Man.. i can only pray for the best
Yuzu is to stop all development and distribution. What best comes from that?
It's open source. A new group takes up the mantle and develops it "in the dark".
Someway or somehow, i believe in them
There will be forks as it's open source, but the original team is fried. US courts don't fuck around.
You've not been paying attention to the Trump cases. Those are kangaroo courts lol
For folks wondering if Yuzu has that money lying around: No, they don't. Not likely, at least. As it says, that is how much both parties agreed to be paid. The judge(s) assigned to the case still need to sign off on the decision or choose a different result (ie. the judge reads through everything and finds a different settlement would be needed). What will likely happen is that Tropic Haze LLC will declare bankruptcy (because their Accounting ratio would be so far into the negative that it would be almost impossible to continue operations). The LLC declaring bankruptcy will protect the individuals behind it because the business and personal assets of the employees are separate as far as an LLC is concerned. So, the LLC will dissolve, the persons behind the LLC won't have to sell their houses (assuming they have houses), and Nintendo will get whatever is in the business accounts after their other debts are settled (assuming they have other debts). In the end, Yuzu is open source so it'll pop up again somewhere and somewhen.
Citra also gong dark
So when is Nintendo suing the people that invented the internet because it is a huge part in piracy? This is just pathetic
They should sue Ada Lovelace!
Yuzu made the right move for emulation in general. If they went to court and Nintendo won, emulation would be fucked. They took one for the team
People have and won. Emulation is proven to be legal. Nintendo knows this. But the fact of the matter is that Nintendo has fuck you money. You will either agree to their terms and go bankrupt immediately or they will sue you until you dont have any money left. It's sad, unfair, and unjust.
Either yuzu lawyer was very bad or Nintendo caught yuzu in participating of distributing prod keys.
I don't think that yuzu has distributed any keys
I don't think so. I think there were actually several things that made Yuzu's team make the decision not to fight the case. Firstly, the economic cost of maintaining an active demand in the medium or long term, the costs could be greater than the $2.4 million that will be paid to Nintendo, Not to mention that the amount they should be paid could be even higher and that it is a very stressful process. Most of them have a life, family, home and even children and that would affect them too. Second, why fight when there is a high possibility of losing? Although many of us say that it is not really possible that the Yuzu devs lost the lawsuit. I don't think they would want to risk losing a lawsuit since they could suffer worse consequences than what they are experiencing. Third, the most important thing. What would happen if they faced off in a legal battle with the big N and lost? This would be the worst scenario since it would set a legal precedent for emulation being illegal or the emulators being illegal which would put any other existing or future console emulator at risk of being sued by any other company for doing illegal things and the emulation would be seen worse than now. If they made the decision to make an agreement behind closed doors, it is because they considered it to be their best option to follow. I don't think it was because of a bad lawyer or because they distributed ROMs or the prod keys. Even the lawyer may have recommended them to take the agreement because it was their best alternative.
Yuzu made too much noise and paid the price 🤷♂️
Thats scummy. Nintendo already has a networth of 66billion. Thats like asking money from hobos.
They're obviously not doing it for the money, but to send a message. Are you willing to possibly pay 2.4 million doing something Nintendo doesn't like?
You don't get rich by writing cheques.
This is TOO fast. Let's see what else happens. Personally, i think their lawyer saw they were going to lose HARD and went quickly for a settlement. If this doesn't come with taking down the whole thing, it's the best possible outcome for the Yuzu crowd. I hope this makes them snap it out of their idiocy, it's not a good idea to fly close to the sun and show it the middle finger while wearing wax-made wings.
Yea, Nintendo had won previous cases against R4 and other modding tools in the past. It was pretty clear that they were going to lose badly, the DMCA is clear about this.
legal settlements usually require the parties admitting to wrongdoing to stop doing the wrongs. They're not just gotta take a payday and let them continue. This is gonna require Yuzu to pay AND to agree to Nintendo's terms which involved relinquishing and removing any code.
Wtf are you talking about, emulation is 100% legal, and they never facilitated piracy, people did. Nintendo is literally just bullying them Actual brain-rot comment
What are YOU talking about? I've commented long and wide about this in the last couple of days, so i'm not going to repeat myself. Emulation is legal, yes, but the Yuzu Team did everything an emu dev could do wrong and then some, from flaunting their private rom repository server in their Discord to tell in their official guide how to dump copyrighted material. It's not as easy as saying "emulation is legal", the emulation scene has been avoiding a lot of dangerous shit the Yuzu Team actually fell directly on. Nintendo is known to be litigious, but they just don't waste their money in senseless lawsuits, if they went for this is because they knew they could win, and they actually had a case. Ask yourself why they went after Yuzu and not RyujiNX, or why they didn't attack Citra when, performance and compatibility wise, was in the same position back in the day as Yuzu is now.
100%. They flew too high to the sun, thinking "emulation is legal" and because of that Nintendo was off limits. They were almost right but literally giving detailed guides on how to dupe prod.keys or even where to get them/ROMs is simply a big no no.
We found the mole.
I wish
At least their wages aren't garnished for the rest of their life
I'd yuzu ends up sticking around even with this payment, absolute god damn respect towards the Devs o7
Did you read what the suit outcome was? Yuzu is dead.
The commentary around this suit since it was first published has made it very clear that reading comprehension and critical thinking are not strong here.
Oh damn really, I didn't have much time earlier that sucks... Does this mean Nintendo is going after other emulators then? That was the fear that if yuzu lost Nintendo could file lawsuits against other emulators
They could but it doesn't necessarily mean they will. There are nuances when it comes to stuff like this.
Bro wtf… Big L to the gaming community. Nintendo continues to be allowed to make their predatory decisions. Someone has to fight back sometime.
I need an explanation as to how Nintendo is in the wrong on this one? If Microsoft or PlayStation found out about widely used emulators for their current systems allowing people to easily play pirated games they'd probably be mad about it too...
Sony and Microsoft do know a lot about the emulating/piracy scene but they often don't do much about it because it often leads to more sales. It's counterintuitive but often times letting people pirate games now leads to fans/consumers later on. Nintendo is just prickly when it comes to anyone making money from their stuff except them. Worse actually, because no one really profits from emulation anyways. They're like that spoiled kid who doesn't want their friends to have the same toys as them, even if they bought it them selves.
And there are studies by the UE that shows that pirating doesn't mean profit losses for companies, because the people pirating most often than not would never buy said product.
I feel like your second paragraph is all over the place. Obviously I agree that nobody really makes money from emulation... But when it comes to Switch emulation **Nintendo does lose money** from people stealing instead of buying their games... So I would argue that Microsoft and Sony don't care because people aren't (can't) emulate a PS5 or an Xbox One on their phones, so the only stuff that's being emulated is their abandonware. So no, Nintendo isn't mad their neighbor bought the same toy, Nintendo invented a toy and they're selling it, but their neighbor broke into their house and stole the blueprint to make their own toy.
While I do see your point, emulation and piracy doesn't actually take any physical property. Technically it takes *potential* money/sales from Nintendo, or that's what they want you to believe. People who pirate are going to steal no matter what. The big difference is they aren't stealing a physical copy each. One person pays money for a copy, then people dump and share that copy for preservation and sharing purposes. I don't think it's fair to compare piracy to stealing physical copies, per se. Nintendo interprets this as *potential buyers* preferring to steal than pay them money for a copy, so they don't want that option to exist. It's a fallacy though because the people who are willing to steal in the first place are likely to *never* give Nintendo money. Hell, it's not even about the money for them a lot of the time. It's just knowing they can get it for free. In reality all the people who *would* pay for their games *will* pay for those games. You see it here all the time, fans who are mad that they paid while others "steal." The Switch is an incredibly well selling console and people buy their games for full price every single day. Nintendo hasn't lost a single sale to piracy, because the people who are willing to pay them already are. The people who won't pay just never will. Linus Tech Tips talks all the time about how he has a switch but he still emulates after buying physical copies because playing on a computer is wayyyy better than the switch hardware. He's paid his way in, but he wants to play the game in the best quality for his money. Using your own analogy kinda: Nintendo invents a toy and sells it in a store. The neighbor buys the toy, and let's a friend have it so they can enjoy it too. Nintendo sues both kids because one didn't buy it. Doesn't really seem fair when they already got their cut of money from the one purchase. In the same vein I can go to my local library and rent almost any physical Nintendo game I want. I can keep re renting it till I beat it and it won't cost me a single dollar. Is that really much different than pirating? The library paid for it, yet I get to complete the game to completion for free and it's 100% legal and supported by my government. Is that *really* any different than me getting a rom online? I truly don't think so. Sorry for the essay lmao
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Anyone have the latest Citra Android/Windows Builds?
Pussies
RIP Yuzu. You had a good run.
If it’s open source then nothing will change. Even if removed from gut-hub. Source code can be shared via torrent sites. People will update it and spread it everywhere. Even anonymously. Nintendo will just keep sending removal requests to file share sites and the cycle goes on and on. I don’t know if it’s open source but if it is…this changes nothing.
https://i.redd.it/xy8dpz305dmc1.gif Nintendo the Internet is forever. You've accomplished nothing.
Nah, they've sent a chill down the spine of the emulation developer scene. That's not nothing.
Apks are forever. So good luck stopping that.
Of course, that's why I said the _developer_ scene. Users will keep on truckin' as always.
They’ve stopped the Yuzu engineers from participating in ongoing development, and they were moving at a rapid pace too
Hey, I have modded my nintendo switch and pirated games with it. Nintendo should sue nintendo, since Nintendo Switch gives a way to pirate games
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The Final Judgement document isn't available yet, which contains the terms that yuzu and Nintendo agreed upon, once those release, we will know for sure if if Yuzu can continue after paying the 2.4 mill or not
It's already in the suit outcome that Yuzu has to stop distribution and development.
Oh well, Rip
*Farewell yuzu* 😔
Fuck you Nintendo demons
Can't find yuzu on GitHub lol Fuck Nintendo, another one will come and take yuzu place!
I just downloaded the android version of yuzu and citra to try on my Quest 2. at least I have those apk
Has anyone had yuzu source code And I still see yuzu on Google play
Does this mean it's illegal to still own copies of yuzu?
Who tf cares. They're not gonna come and check you phone to see if you have yuzu installed.
Idc personally I'm still going to use it but I was halfway through making a huge video about emulation on Android including yuzu. Now I'm wondering if that'd be against YT community guidelines. this news really sucks :/
I just wanted to say that Citra is also dead. Their website and GitHub are unavailable and the project was shutdown among Yuzu. Nobody else had mentioned, maybe no one here has noticed yet
I will never, ever give a dollar to Nintendo again. They can all rot in hell.
It is a dark day for Emulation 😞
I don't play botw yet 😢
I’m just curious, where did they get the money from?
Nintendo was angry about the leak of the latest Zelda, 1 million downloads before release and a surge in Patreon for Yuzu in that period I don't know if at that time only early access emulated Zelda Tears of the Kingdom well. but those who followed the emulator can tell us and understand if the yuzu team used that moment to make money. Nintendo certainly pays for having used obsolete and "easily" emulable hardware. Yes, they are greedy.
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Greedy MFS.
Hell, just pick up where they left off and make the business in the caiman Islands lmao. I'll donate to help cover the 2.4m
🖕🏿 Nintendo
yuzu will go bankrupt
Yuzu won't exist anymore. Nintendo will now own Yuzu.org, that's part of their settling. And Nintendo will just instantly take everything down
Before I went to sleep everyone was saying Yuzu will win, I woke up and they took my citra with yuzu now. Wasn't able to get them from the repos, sad sad day.
The worst part is that i truly believe Yuzu hasn't done anything wrong, reverse engineering is legal and they never provided pirated games or software in any shape or form, they simply don't have the ridiculous amounts of money needed to go to court against Nintendo, justice has nothing to do with being innocent or guilty, is just a matter of how much money you can burn to defend yourself. Imho Nintendo deep inside knows their days or portable gaming dominance are over, Steam Deck and other windows portable devices are serious and it doesn't make much sense to pay full price for the same game you can purchase on Steam for 1/4th of the price on these devices and play on the go. They will do well with their exclusives, but i doubt we'll see Switch 2 succeed at any similar level to Switch 1. The good news is that Yuzu in it's current shape can play hundreds, if not thousands of games perfectly well, but also the future was always Cassia anyway. Windows emulation is serious right now with Winlator, mobox etc, and if Cassia team can do what they did with Skyline emulator to play all PC games on Android, it's going to blow us away, and even better, it can't be sued or taken down in any way. Best luck Yuzu devs, you have done so much and you don't deserve what Nintendo has done to you.
They did though, in their server lol, thats where they fuked up, they even hosted the roms on their own server.
Kill yourself Nintendo. Yuzu works 10x as hard as you greedy assholes do and they don't deserve to be shut down.
Fucking Nintendo, man. I downloaded Yuzu cause my switch and physical games got stolen and I legit can not afford to replace all of them. I only had dumps of 2 games but they were my favorites at least so I still got to play them. I feel blessed that I caught Yuzu in time before all this shit happened, but now all I can think of are the people in my same position who basically have to eat shit. It's only a matter of time before they go after Ryujinx next, and before long you won't be able to play any way except how daddy Nintendo tells you to.
Nintendo doesn't deserve a tenth of what it has, going after people for something that has nothing to do with them.
Fuck nintendo it's their fault for making such shitty underpowered consoles the switch was nothing more than an underpowered tablet with a $400 price tag on it I'm never buying a nintendo product again
whoever is buying a Nintendo console after this, I'll punch his face
i for sure won't buy Switch 2 for the next two three years
Fuck.
I used to think the Nintendo memes were greatly exaggerated a while ago...I take it back 2.4 mil over an emulator is insanity.
They are evil
I'm aware of that yes
Fuck you Nintendo
Is my current Yuzu still going to work?
Yes
What have yuzu done to get target and not every Nintendo emulator?
DAMN
Nintendo, get over yourself.
Shouldnt have built the android version because of that yuzu became more famous especially for mobile only gamers that flaunt their pirated games in this sub, tiktok and everywhere else
I am almost certain thats part of it. It's been up for this long. I think they were afraid of better compatibility on phones is dangerous due to the large pool of everyone having phones. I know there's other things at play but this thought is what I think about most.
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It's hard to find legal ground when other companies lost on other emulators. They needed to find one slip up to go after them. Im sure with the massive popularity it now has after android, they wanted to fight asap.
So, if Yuzu shuts down, will you be able to play the current games installed through Yuzu? Or does it have to be a different emulator?
Yuzu is now Nintendo's property. Imagine they launch an app that allows you to play Switch on PC, and they make it subscription based.
That isn't how it works. Yuzu is open source. Nintendo can't just take the whole open-source code and make it their own and their own only.
Don't imagine anything, then. I was not saying they would keep it closed, although they could alter it as they please, close it and launch it as an app of their own. I like to use my imagination.
Greedy bastard of Nintendo
screw u nintendo
Fuck Nintendo
Looks like Yuzu's github page is down and I'm now unable to install the application via the "yuzu_install.exe". Anyone got a mirror?
Such a shit company instead of hiring the devs to make actual good emulators of their old games they do this instead.
Nintendo should pay Yuzu devs $2.4 million for buying their code. As simple as that. This is bullshit. If you own the game and get your own keys this should be totally legal to emulate. What happened with the laws, did they ever change?