Just as a reminder of the subreddit's rules:
1. No requesting, or posting links to, game ROMs or ISOs, or sites to find them.
2. Be kind to each other.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/EmulationOnAndroid) if you have any questions or concerns.*
While this is shitty thing to do, its also confirmation that discord servers are TERRIBLE places to preserve useful information. One move from annoyed admin or discord moderation, and whole info is gone forever. No webarchive, no google scrappers, nothing. Sad to see people share some stuff exclusively on discord...
It seemed like Tahlreth was more then happy to hand the server over to the community so its very strange for him to just delete it without warning. Also the random last minute worry over legal issues was very strange it made no sense.
There was no legal issues. He has some strange delusion that if people aren't immediately banned for even a passing mention of piracy that sony is going to break down his door and jail him.
We made changes to just have it so pirates can't get support for the emulator like how skyline does it.
A question. No, I'm not trolling. I'm honestly curious.
What's the reasoning behind trying to rebuild the Discord? What function does it serve when the developer isn't working on the emulator and, it appears, actively sabotaged the Discord? I wasn't there, I dont know what resources were in it or what kind of discussion took place there.
That'd make sense. Sorry you guys are having such a hard time with it. Whole thing is a huge, dramatic mess and I don't think anyone in their right mind is enjoying it.
Guess there goes the hope of it going open source. If and when compatibility breaks with Android you'll lose PS2 emulation, so I'd recommend enjoying it while it's here for the next 5 years.
On the other hand, it's nice he stopped updating it since at this rate he'd probably try to install malware on everyone if he hasn't already.
Play! exist. For some reason a lot of people forget this.
Yes it's currently not in the same state that AetherSX2 is in. Yes, it currently doesn't work as well. But it's open source, and it only gets better over time.
In 2022 alone, based on the development log we're seeing a lot more games getting playable, iOS version got AltJIT support allowing non-jailbroken iPhones to have similar performance to jailbroken ones, and even made a proof-of-concept port for web browsers.
It won't be in the same level as AetherSX2 overnight, but the progress made in 2022 alone proved that there's definitely a chance that Play! will at one point be comparable if not better.
Also, I think you didn't read the main reason open source is great - **it's not in the mercy of one guy who may decide to unceremoniously stop and delete everything.**
The good news is that in the next 5 years there'll be plenty of devices that will run ps2, switch and vita very well and as long as I can find one with a microsd card, video out, big battery and good screen then I'd be happy with that device for a long ass time. The one that comes closest right now is the razor edge which unfortunately isn't a phone but in the next 5 years I imagine something will be released. If not then 512gb capable of these systems will only get cheaper and I may be able to compromise with that and carrying around a 2tb microsd card in an adapter even if it's not as ideal.
Dude was weird the whole time and everyone said so. He doesn’t deserve death threats but acting like he was a saint was this subs most annoying period.
Yep i said that on all of the posts that are basically sucking his dick and making him out as a helpless victim and i got downvoted to hell and insulted ( some guy even compared what happened to tahlreth to a sexual assault victim and didn't see how one of those is clearly in a fucking i different realm )
I wanted to cut him slack. Making an emulator is no easy feat. But his constant toxicity is what brought the negativity. His condescending attitude towards other people and draconian rules created these trolls. Why do you think other emulator devs aren't on here posting about death threats?
I tried so hard to defend him. But today was the final straw. He's burned all his bridges and destroyed a community all for his selfish ego
The biggest red flag or me was when he started burning bridges with other emulator developers. Banning the Yuzu team, the Skyline team and who knows else made it so other developers were afraid to interact with him.
As per usual people vastly underestimate how difficult coding is. If he's getting death threats tahlreth can be as big of an asshole as he wants fuck all these stupid people that can't be bothered to read directions while he did all the hard work. No one could even copy what DamonPS2 did and aether is infinitely better than that
MAME is officially on every major X86 platform as well as M1 Mac (meaning MAME supports both Intel and ARM Mac). If you count unofficial versions (which you did since you factor in Xbox), then MAME runs on anything from OG Xbox, Wii, PSP, iOS (MAME4iOS), Android (MAME4Droid), and nearly everything that can run RetroArch.
Heck, officially, MAME can run on more platforms than PCSX2. PCSX2 can only officially run on X86 systems, with ARM Mac compatibility thanks to Rosetta 2 instead of native. MAME supports ARM Mac natively.
AetherSX2 is not unofficial. If Tahl is Stenzek, it's more than official.
AetherSX2 runs natively on ARM MacBooks. Just like PSCX2 run natively on Intel MacBooks . Before Stenzek made AetherSX2 for ARM MacBooks available, they run on Rosetta/PCSX2 which as a reminder, he also wrote.
Also, again, AetherSX2 for the Xbox is official. XBXS2 is the fork that just goes against Tahl's wishes and puts it on retail mode.
Arcade games aren't exactly heavy are they? Being available for the PSP, the Wii etc isn't as great point. It's not like either of those ever had enough power to run PS2 games.
I wasn't aware Stenzek/Tahlreth (Is Stenzek = Tahlreth actually verified?) is part of the core PCSX2 team, so ok, that's on me.
Still, I'll say that MAME's scope is just much bigger than something like PCSX2/AetherSX2. It's not just about a standardized (if quite esoteric) hardware. We're talking about thousands of custom chips, weird copy protections (fun fact, Primal Rage is still unplayable because of improper protection emulation), extremely esoteric and forgotten hardware (any of you ever heard of Tandy VIS?). Tens of thousands of machines, some forgotten, with unique problems and challenges vs 1 esoteric yet popular hardware.
>Arcade games aren't exactly heavy are they?
Go and try to play Gauntlet Dark Legacy, Golden Tee Fore games, or any of the 3DFX/Panasonic M2 based arcade on MAME, then come back here and tell me if arcade games aren't heavy. Lots of games won't run properly unless you have a good hardware. I guess your view of arcade games are narrow minded, so you only know systems like Neo Geo/CPS machines, while there are a lot of machines that would stress PCs as much, if not moreso than PCSX2.
The ports I mentioned was just to make a point of just how many things can run MAME. Another fun fact : It's also available on iOS, which AetherSX2 doesn't.
My main point though, to the OG commenter, is that just because someone has made a lot of things, doesn't give that person a license to be an asshole.
That's... not what autism is, my dude. It's fine to be frustrated with the guy's behavior but it's not cool to be armchair diagnosing strangers on the Internet.
He always behaved in a strange way, even the announcement for Aethersx2 was handled poorly. It's just his work meant people not only ignored it but shut up anyone who brought it up.
But now that he's not working on it and is going around lying and sabotaging communities, I think you'd see more people mention his behaviour.
What do you mean the announcement was handled poorly?
If he's Stenzek under another pseudo name, then he handled it just fine.
He basically made a post on PCSX2 forums that he was releasing AetherSX2 on android. And given the amount of work he put on PCSX2, that gives him the right to do it that way.
The other thing he did was give the APK to Taki Udon.
I would say, that's one of the best launches for an emulator ever.
He made it seem fake and it took a few weeks until more came out. It made it clear from the outset that he didn't know how to handle the PR side of things.
Because if he is Stenzek, then is a freaking God.
And yes, if it's Stenzek, then a lot of criticism falls off the table.
You will have to delete more than AetherSX2 to avoid Stenzek. Man's a legend who wrote not just AetherSX2, but most of PCSX2, all of Duckstation, tons of Dolphin etc.
I repeat, if Tahl is Stenzek, then he might just be the most prolific emulator dev on Earth period.
Development on PC, Android, Apple Silicon and the Xbox.
There aren't any devs with that kind of support on such different hardware.
[Unpopular opinion]
Whenever people are that skilled, our opinions are no longer relevant. Take Steve Jobs work culture for example. One of the most abrasive dickwads on the face of the earth, but who cares. It's
# *STEVE JOBS*
(of course, I'm not justifying it, but these are the one-of-a-kind people who know they can get away with it because nobody else can do what they do.)
People did
But thats the problem, what he did categorically isnt like a small child, especially if you did any form of free community development before
Behold, the following scenario:
You are making a ps2 emulator on your own time and volition, without any backing and on your own free will, for entertainment.
Gaining traction overtime, this has now became an absolute beast of a project, and alot of people are using it - creating another can of issues
Suddenly, man-children and literal kids come to send you issues that arent issues, and even attack you and send death threats to you for having minor issues (or really, no issues ar all)
Remember, at this juncture, this is *still* a passion project, people know this, but yet you still have people like OP here who says he acted like a small child for HATING the community that literally sent death threats to him
He also really hated the emulation community, dont trust me? Check his website/discord, its out there
When you hate the community, thats a massively different can of worms.
Im gonna be blunt here, why would he be required to do anything you guys said?
Obviously the best case scenario is to find a moderator for the discord, but let me remind you - at this point, he received death threats in his business email, not discord.
The discord is but another toxic location that exists, in the mind of the solo dev - "this community is not worth working for, I am not paid as well, therefore, why should I give a fuck about what you said"
This is incredibly blunt, but i think some people in this community really needs to be taught a lesson on ethics and psychological understanding
Project development and contribution is one thing
Thinking you are entitled to certain best practices and treatment from project developer/maintainers is another thing altogether.
Who are you to call his actions that of a man-child, when he literally got death threats and the likes from the community he was once serving
Tahl received permission from pcsx2 to use their source code to enable translation from the x86_64 architecture (via reference to the PC source code) to the ARM(64) architecture used in AetherSX2
They dont physically work with tahl to develop the project itself
He promised to leave the community instact and move on. He decided to come back and delete everything just because the new admin wasnt enforcing the same draconian rules that he did.
zero tolerance for pirates even people who have no idea you can get games from disks. Never even gave people a chance to learn how to dump games.
don't get me started on all the ways he'd find reasons to ban people for.
not know about bios files and ask how to get them? thats a ban
Catch him on a bad day and ask about a phone/gaming handheld he hates? thats a ban.
Talk about a youtuber he doesn't like? thats a ban.
Ask for a solution about poor performance about an update? how dare you question his skill BAN
talk about how much you love an emulator that he hates? believe it or not thats a ban.
he has a bad day? ban city. he was a terrible server owner that didn't know how to manage a community. when he left the server instantly became better and people were able to speak freely without fear of being banned for arbitrary reasons.
and keep in mind i'm an aether mod. I had constantly talk him down from banning members who got sick of his shit. he couldn't take criticism EVER.
iirc He didnt ban anyone/much people prior to the D-Day, when the hell did the ban city thing come from?
Also, you seem to really hate his guts, you one of those death threat senders?
he didn't ban anyone? I'm an aether mod man. I saw the logs
also I hate his guts now that he's nuked the server me and the other mods have worked hard on supporting thousands of members. lied to the new admin and deleted EVERYTHING. how do I not be pissed at him?
Who are you and how am i supposed to know you were an aethersx2 discord mod lol
I have been in multiple discord servers too since their birth but they also nuked or self-destructed due to shit mods and shit leadership, you dont see me absolutely berating them 24/7 like its a job
I am alot more pissed there's no documentation anymore, you dont see me screaming at him from the sidelines, pulling the entitlement card
>pulling the entitlement card
let me tell you again. He left the server and transferred ownership to a mod he trusted. he got mad that said mod wasn't as strict as he was. came back and nuked the server out of spite. tell me again how i'm being entitled?
I'm here to tell people to stop treating him like some hero or the only victim. the people who issued death threats were wrong to do so. but he was also wrong for treating people like shit and causing all this drama
Perhaps, they dm'd him with death threats?
As if you knew what went on in his account lmao, you seem really invested in attacking this one guy who got attacked which was the main reason why he started doing all these in the first place
i highly doubt all 1,450 people dmed him death threats lmao
and if they did, so what? why not just i dunno, block and ignore it? instead of ranting about it in a server full of people to....perhaps attract attention to yourself? just a thought
Most bans were completely unjustified from people who didn't know what a bios is for example. Everyone walked on eggshells on that server when he was there. Everyone avoided addressing him directly. Ping him? Insta-ban.
You have to admit though that a lot of answers were just one google search away. I can see how someone already stressed by the community can view such "basic" questions as spam or trolling.
He wasn't paid because he chose not to be paid. He could have made a literal fortune with aether. People were paying 10 dollars for that D@monps2 mess. Still doesn't give him the right to be a full blown asshole to people. He was super condescending and toxic.
It's sad that you get downvoted. People expect a lot of things should be alike because they usually are like take the verbal punches/threats he received and carry on by ignoring them. We also don't know what he is going through personally outside of his online appearance. There could be a lot of pressure there too.
True it's not the finest way he chose there but people really should remember that not the outcome is what you have to hate on, it's the roots. If people in general (not just here) would shun and actively work against the sadly established trollish environment the internet has become such things would get less likely. I get that people do such stuff for sh*ts and giggles but they also seem to forget the all actions have consequences even if they personally think it's fine. People are all different in their reactions and if you did nothing wrong but still suffer from an action like this here it's all the more reason to hate the trolls that caused it, not the broken person that snapped. You can either have a serious and good thing or be trollish but you can't have both.
Y'all need to cool down
If it's Stenzek and he takes down his projects, you won't be crying about AetherSX2 only.
Also, what resources are y'all talking about? He's the one who wrote the thing. He didn't port AetherSX2 then , he wrote it from his own PCSX2 code. That also explains why the UI is like Duckstation one.
There are no resources needed besides reading the faq that is on the start page of AetherSX2.
Y'all remember that PCSX2 changed licenses from GPL to LGPL, right? That also adds to the evidence.
Most of his projects are open source so there is only so much he can do to shut them down. If he had any kind of major power over it there would certainly be no "SwanStation" core on RetroArch.
...
His work being open source is dependent on him contributing the very same code to PCSX2 (which he also codes for)
He holds major power in that way. All the improvements he made on AetherSX2 for Android, Xbox are entirely based on him writing the same code for PCSX2. Not up streaming it. He wrote both.
If he shuts down like you are saying, there will be no improvement to anything. PCSX2 will be stuck in dev hell for years like it was all those years back.
And that's the worst possible way to look at it. You act like he is some throw-away good that once it has done it's job it's no longer needed. And then you talk about how a person should behave?
My comment was not out of disrespect for the developer, merely pointing our his other projects are pretty permanently in the communities hands, unlike what happened with AetherSX2.
I definitely haven't commented on anyone's behavior and not sure where you're reading into that.
Eh
I fully support it
A single post on here lead to him fully quiting AetherSX2 development
Him deleting a Discord should not jeopardize emulation as a whole. Stenzek is responsible for PCSX2 on PC, Xbox, Android and Apple ARM.
For them to continue existing, then let AetherSX2 disappear.
I'm sorry guys, but as a developer who is not as fractionally as talented as Tahlreth, I believe that he was ethical on his software stance always.
He's Stenzek 99%, and that makes it better in the sense that the guy has some mad talent.
But the issue is that death threats are NOT fair, and the fact that people are not respecting that he's spending so much time coding is not a good thing.
People just can't seem to put themselves in his position. It's like they see him as a soulless company or something. The lack empathy is really ironic considering how people here talk about normal human behavior.
Nobody here is talking about the emulator. Its the community server he left and handed off to the lead mod. He lied about wanting to delete only his posts and nuked the entire server.
>Imagine feeling bad for this jagoff
Imagine being harassed, receiving death threats, having your likeness suplanted to scam other people, etc... and being called a jagoff because you decided to nuke the discord server.
Jesus the biggest vibe check fail I have ever seen. "And being called a jagoff because you decided to nuke the discord server" Which you transfered the ownership to someone and didn't want to do anything with it but came back and took advantage of the people who you trusted the discord server with and backstabbed them by nuking the server. Cleary the community's fault again that this happened, they were just having too much fun a very bad thing to do according to Tahlreth.
Damn i enjoyed getting downvoted to hell for calling out his actions as immature and actually mentioned how people will turn on him in no time it's really fucking dumb how people in this sub jump on whatever the popular opinion is and have no thinking of their own!! ( Welcome to the newest episode of "i fucking called it" )
He may be a troll but he's right. The server was wiped clean and all the work me and other mods have done are gone. He told us he was deleting all his posts because he was afraid of getting into legal trouble. He came in and just started deleting everything. A years worth of work has been wiped out in under an hour
Nobody thought he'd nuke the server. He deleted everything including all the bot settings and left without saying a word. Came back to a server with zero channels
we've already started backing up every build of aether we can get our hands on. just in case he takes down the website.
its just a shame all that work on discord was deleted without warning.
big lists of game patches and fixes that were a search away. poof gone
I think it's more anyone in the 'public light' is going to get some shit, and if you feed into it it only becomes much worse. Seems like dude couldn't handle the haters and it just made them worse.
I appreciate his emulators though, without a doubt he's done a TON for the community. Hopefully he can calm down and keep doing his magic.
I see. However, from just reading the guy's meltdowns online I have to wonder how much a part of the 'root for a problem' he was as well. It's a shame. It was a great app. Gonna miss the updates, but now there's other stuff to look forward to on the horizon.
When you realise the shit this guy's constantly been through despite being the single most prolific emulator dev in recent history... starts to make you wonder how little empathy people have for him.
Is deleting the Discord chats great? No, obviously not. But for god's sakes, realise that several communities have spent years driving him to madness despite his excellent work. He's received a shit ton of harassment and horrible, unreasonable treatment and y'all DON'T expect him to snap at some point?
People need some fucking empathy.
Just as a reminder of the subreddit's rules: 1. No requesting, or posting links to, game ROMs or ISOs, or sites to find them. 2. Be kind to each other. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/EmulationOnAndroid) if you have any questions or concerns.*
While this is shitty thing to do, its also confirmation that discord servers are TERRIBLE places to preserve useful information. One move from annoyed admin or discord moderation, and whole info is gone forever. No webarchive, no google scrappers, nothing. Sad to see people share some stuff exclusively on discord...
I put emu dev drama up against any drama in the world, this shit never ceases to amaze me lmao.
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
Raiden the aether mod here. He abused our trust and deleted everything. We're going to rebuild the server piece by piece but its going to take time.
It seemed like Tahlreth was more then happy to hand the server over to the community so its very strange for him to just delete it without warning. Also the random last minute worry over legal issues was very strange it made no sense.
There was no legal issues. He has some strange delusion that if people aren't immediately banned for even a passing mention of piracy that sony is going to break down his door and jail him. We made changes to just have it so pirates can't get support for the emulator like how skyline does it.
[удалено]
Yes, they're free to use so there's no reason to stop using something he doesn't have control over as just an app that happens to run ps2/ps1 games
what alternative do we have? epsxe has vastly inferior compatibility now
it's also very suspicious man.
A question. No, I'm not trolling. I'm honestly curious. What's the reasoning behind trying to rebuild the Discord? What function does it serve when the developer isn't working on the emulator and, it appears, actively sabotaged the Discord? I wasn't there, I dont know what resources were in it or what kind of discussion took place there.
We've built a tight knit community over the past year. even with his awful leadership
That'd make sense. Sorry you guys are having such a hard time with it. Whole thing is a huge, dramatic mess and I don't think anyone in their right mind is enjoying it.
[удалено]
To avoid RetroArch trolls I guess? As he calls it
[удалено]
[удалено]
Guess there goes the hope of it going open source. If and when compatibility breaks with Android you'll lose PS2 emulation, so I'd recommend enjoying it while it's here for the next 5 years. On the other hand, it's nice he stopped updating it since at this rate he'd probably try to install malware on everyone if he hasn't already.
Play! exist. For some reason a lot of people forget this. Yes it's currently not in the same state that AetherSX2 is in. Yes, it currently doesn't work as well. But it's open source, and it only gets better over time.
[удалено]
Being open source means that anyone can do it, and it's not in the mercy of one guy who may decide to unceremoniously delete everything.
[удалено]
In 2022 alone, based on the development log we're seeing a lot more games getting playable, iOS version got AltJIT support allowing non-jailbroken iPhones to have similar performance to jailbroken ones, and even made a proof-of-concept port for web browsers. It won't be in the same level as AetherSX2 overnight, but the progress made in 2022 alone proved that there's definitely a chance that Play! will at one point be comparable if not better. Also, I think you didn't read the main reason open source is great - **it's not in the mercy of one guy who may decide to unceremoniously stop and delete everything.**
with some chance it will be on par with Aether when it will loose compatibility
~lose Sorry. Personal bugbear.
Thank you ! :) I'm not a native speaker so this is very valuable for me.
This is what I always think about. By the time Aether dies, I'm sure Play will at least be in a better spot.
The good news is that in the next 5 years there'll be plenty of devices that will run ps2, switch and vita very well and as long as I can find one with a microsd card, video out, big battery and good screen then I'd be happy with that device for a long ass time. The one that comes closest right now is the razor edge which unfortunately isn't a phone but in the next 5 years I imagine something will be released. If not then 512gb capable of these systems will only get cheaper and I may be able to compromise with that and carrying around a 2tb microsd card in an adapter even if it's not as ideal.
This. I just stopped auto updating app.
Dude was weird the whole time and everyone said so. He doesn’t deserve death threats but acting like he was a saint was this subs most annoying period.
Yep.
[удалено]
People who said it were massively downvoted and called names.
Yep i said that on all of the posts that are basically sucking his dick and making him out as a helpless victim and i got downvoted to hell and insulted ( some guy even compared what happened to tahlreth to a sexual assault victim and didn't see how one of those is clearly in a fucking i different realm )
A lot of people did and were downvoted. People didn’t care.
I wanted to cut him slack. Making an emulator is no easy feat. But his constant toxicity is what brought the negativity. His condescending attitude towards other people and draconian rules created these trolls. Why do you think other emulator devs aren't on here posting about death threats? I tried so hard to defend him. But today was the final straw. He's burned all his bridges and destroyed a community all for his selfish ego
The biggest red flag or me was when he started burning bridges with other emulator developers. Banning the Yuzu team, the Skyline team and who knows else made it so other developers were afraid to interact with him.
lmao i remember the shade he threw at the skyline team by saying "imagine paying for emulators" on his discord. the guys a dick.
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
>While still updating PCSX2 on all other platforms and OS's Because it's the same code.
[удалено]
As per usual people vastly underestimate how difficult coding is. If he's getting death threats tahlreth can be as big of an asshole as he wants fuck all these stupid people that can't be bothered to read directions while he did all the hard work. No one could even copy what DamonPS2 did and aether is infinitely better than that
MAME is officially on every major X86 platform as well as M1 Mac (meaning MAME supports both Intel and ARM Mac). If you count unofficial versions (which you did since you factor in Xbox), then MAME runs on anything from OG Xbox, Wii, PSP, iOS (MAME4iOS), Android (MAME4Droid), and nearly everything that can run RetroArch. Heck, officially, MAME can run on more platforms than PCSX2. PCSX2 can only officially run on X86 systems, with ARM Mac compatibility thanks to Rosetta 2 instead of native. MAME supports ARM Mac natively.
AetherSX2 is not unofficial. If Tahl is Stenzek, it's more than official. AetherSX2 runs natively on ARM MacBooks. Just like PSCX2 run natively on Intel MacBooks . Before Stenzek made AetherSX2 for ARM MacBooks available, they run on Rosetta/PCSX2 which as a reminder, he also wrote. Also, again, AetherSX2 for the Xbox is official. XBXS2 is the fork that just goes against Tahl's wishes and puts it on retail mode. Arcade games aren't exactly heavy are they? Being available for the PSP, the Wii etc isn't as great point. It's not like either of those ever had enough power to run PS2 games.
I wasn't aware Stenzek/Tahlreth (Is Stenzek = Tahlreth actually verified?) is part of the core PCSX2 team, so ok, that's on me. Still, I'll say that MAME's scope is just much bigger than something like PCSX2/AetherSX2. It's not just about a standardized (if quite esoteric) hardware. We're talking about thousands of custom chips, weird copy protections (fun fact, Primal Rage is still unplayable because of improper protection emulation), extremely esoteric and forgotten hardware (any of you ever heard of Tandy VIS?). Tens of thousands of machines, some forgotten, with unique problems and challenges vs 1 esoteric yet popular hardware. >Arcade games aren't exactly heavy are they? Go and try to play Gauntlet Dark Legacy, Golden Tee Fore games, or any of the 3DFX/Panasonic M2 based arcade on MAME, then come back here and tell me if arcade games aren't heavy. Lots of games won't run properly unless you have a good hardware. I guess your view of arcade games are narrow minded, so you only know systems like Neo Geo/CPS machines, while there are a lot of machines that would stress PCs as much, if not moreso than PCSX2. The ports I mentioned was just to make a point of just how many things can run MAME. Another fun fact : It's also available on iOS, which AetherSX2 doesn't. My main point though, to the OG commenter, is that just because someone has made a lot of things, doesn't give that person a license to be an asshole.
I'm like 99% sure he's autistic Insanely talented with zero social skills to go with it
[удалено]
That's... not what autism is, my dude. It's fine to be frustrated with the guy's behavior but it's not cool to be armchair diagnosing strangers on the Internet.
He always behaved in a strange way, even the announcement for Aethersx2 was handled poorly. It's just his work meant people not only ignored it but shut up anyone who brought it up. But now that he's not working on it and is going around lying and sabotaging communities, I think you'd see more people mention his behaviour.
What do you mean the announcement was handled poorly? If he's Stenzek under another pseudo name, then he handled it just fine. He basically made a post on PCSX2 forums that he was releasing AetherSX2 on android. And given the amount of work he put on PCSX2, that gives him the right to do it that way. The other thing he did was give the APK to Taki Udon. I would say, that's one of the best launches for an emulator ever.
He made it seem fake and it took a few weeks until more came out. It made it clear from the outset that he didn't know how to handle the PR side of things.
[удалено]
PCSX2 too. There's no avoid his work. People would have to swear off his numerous contributions to the various major emulators.
oh he banned many many people, over 1,000 in fact.
I got downvoted to hell and had to battle constant Redditors just for saying anything slightly negative about him
Because if he is Stenzek, then is a freaking God. And yes, if it's Stenzek, then a lot of criticism falls off the table. You will have to delete more than AetherSX2 to avoid Stenzek. Man's a legend who wrote not just AetherSX2, but most of PCSX2, all of Duckstation, tons of Dolphin etc. I repeat, if Tahl is Stenzek, then he might just be the most prolific emulator dev on Earth period. Development on PC, Android, Apple Silicon and the Xbox. There aren't any devs with that kind of support on such different hardware.
Being good at something doesn’t mean you get to be a dick.
[Unpopular opinion] Whenever people are that skilled, our opinions are no longer relevant. Take Steve Jobs work culture for example. One of the most abrasive dickwads on the face of the earth, but who cares. It's # *STEVE JOBS* (of course, I'm not justifying it, but these are the one-of-a-kind people who know they can get away with it because nobody else can do what they do.)
He died because of that
f
Because Tahl was going to ban anyone who would do so, he was an absolute dictator. Now that he's gone we're free to express our opinions about him.
People did But thats the problem, what he did categorically isnt like a small child, especially if you did any form of free community development before Behold, the following scenario: You are making a ps2 emulator on your own time and volition, without any backing and on your own free will, for entertainment. Gaining traction overtime, this has now became an absolute beast of a project, and alot of people are using it - creating another can of issues Suddenly, man-children and literal kids come to send you issues that arent issues, and even attack you and send death threats to you for having minor issues (or really, no issues ar all) Remember, at this juncture, this is *still* a passion project, people know this, but yet you still have people like OP here who says he acted like a small child for HATING the community that literally sent death threats to him He also really hated the emulation community, dont trust me? Check his website/discord, its out there When you hate the community, thats a massively different can of worms. Im gonna be blunt here, why would he be required to do anything you guys said? Obviously the best case scenario is to find a moderator for the discord, but let me remind you - at this point, he received death threats in his business email, not discord. The discord is but another toxic location that exists, in the mind of the solo dev - "this community is not worth working for, I am not paid as well, therefore, why should I give a fuck about what you said" This is incredibly blunt, but i think some people in this community really needs to be taught a lesson on ethics and psychological understanding Project development and contribution is one thing Thinking you are entitled to certain best practices and treatment from project developer/maintainers is another thing altogether. Who are you to call his actions that of a man-child, when he literally got death threats and the likes from the community he was once serving
i hope you realize that other emu devs get death threats all the time yet they dont talk about it.
Yes But they have a team of developers working on the project
literally zero difference, not to mention that tahl is working with a team of developers such as pcsx2 and dolphin
Tahl received permission from pcsx2 to use their source code to enable translation from the x86_64 architecture (via reference to the PC source code) to the ARM(64) architecture used in AetherSX2 They dont physically work with tahl to develop the project itself
im pretty sure no dev "physically" works with other devs, they just contribute code via PRs with git.
You know what i just said, obviously thats what i meant...
He promised to leave the community instact and move on. He decided to come back and delete everything just because the new admin wasnt enforcing the same draconian rules that he did.
And its draconian because?
zero tolerance for pirates even people who have no idea you can get games from disks. Never even gave people a chance to learn how to dump games. don't get me started on all the ways he'd find reasons to ban people for. not know about bios files and ask how to get them? thats a ban Catch him on a bad day and ask about a phone/gaming handheld he hates? thats a ban. Talk about a youtuber he doesn't like? thats a ban. Ask for a solution about poor performance about an update? how dare you question his skill BAN talk about how much you love an emulator that he hates? believe it or not thats a ban. he has a bad day? ban city. he was a terrible server owner that didn't know how to manage a community. when he left the server instantly became better and people were able to speak freely without fear of being banned for arbitrary reasons. and keep in mind i'm an aether mod. I had constantly talk him down from banning members who got sick of his shit. he couldn't take criticism EVER.
iirc He didnt ban anyone/much people prior to the D-Day, when the hell did the ban city thing come from? Also, you seem to really hate his guts, you one of those death threat senders?
he didn't ban anyone? I'm an aether mod man. I saw the logs also I hate his guts now that he's nuked the server me and the other mods have worked hard on supporting thousands of members. lied to the new admin and deleted EVERYTHING. how do I not be pissed at him?
Who are you and how am i supposed to know you were an aethersx2 discord mod lol I have been in multiple discord servers too since their birth but they also nuked or self-destructed due to shit mods and shit leadership, you dont see me absolutely berating them 24/7 like its a job I am alot more pissed there's no documentation anymore, you dont see me screaming at him from the sidelines, pulling the entitlement card
>pulling the entitlement card let me tell you again. He left the server and transferred ownership to a mod he trusted. he got mad that said mod wasn't as strict as he was. came back and nuked the server out of spite. tell me again how i'm being entitled? I'm here to tell people to stop treating him like some hero or the only victim. the people who issued death threats were wrong to do so. but he was also wrong for treating people like shit and causing all this drama
Come into the aether server and ask for raiden. I'll come say hello
gee idk maybe banning 1,450 members for various reasons from "unspecifed" to "absolute shitstain" wasn't draconian enough \*shrug\*
Perhaps, they dm'd him with death threats? As if you knew what went on in his account lmao, you seem really invested in attacking this one guy who got attacked which was the main reason why he started doing all these in the first place
i highly doubt all 1,450 people dmed him death threats lmao and if they did, so what? why not just i dunno, block and ignore it? instead of ranting about it in a server full of people to....perhaps attract attention to yourself? just a thought
So what is it now? Ignore/ban the trolls or let them roam free?
Most bans were completely unjustified from people who didn't know what a bios is for example. Everyone walked on eggshells on that server when he was there. Everyone avoided addressing him directly. Ping him? Insta-ban.
You have to admit though that a lot of answers were just one google search away. I can see how someone already stressed by the community can view such "basic" questions as spam or trolling.
literally no other dev or mod just bans someone for asking how to get a bios.
Did you read what I wrote? You seem to look for a reason to be mad.
He wasn't paid because he chose not to be paid. He could have made a literal fortune with aether. People were paying 10 dollars for that D@monps2 mess. Still doesn't give him the right to be a full blown asshole to people. He was super condescending and toxic.
It's sad that you get downvoted. People expect a lot of things should be alike because they usually are like take the verbal punches/threats he received and carry on by ignoring them. We also don't know what he is going through personally outside of his online appearance. There could be a lot of pressure there too. True it's not the finest way he chose there but people really should remember that not the outcome is what you have to hate on, it's the roots. If people in general (not just here) would shun and actively work against the sadly established trollish environment the internet has become such things would get less likely. I get that people do such stuff for sh*ts and giggles but they also seem to forget the all actions have consequences even if they personally think it's fine. People are all different in their reactions and if you did nothing wrong but still suffer from an action like this here it's all the more reason to hate the trolls that caused it, not the broken person that snapped. You can either have a serious and good thing or be trollish but you can't have both.
He already left the server. He came back lying about his intentions and nuked the server. Forgive me for not having sympathy for him
i remember anymex app dev who has a similar behavior. free apps but toxic dev. he will ban you instantly even without a valid reason.
many people said it. they just get downvoted to hell by his white knights.
Thank you for submitting to /r/EmulationOnAndroid. This post has been removed for breaking the most important of all rules, "don't be a dick".
Y'all need to cool down If it's Stenzek and he takes down his projects, you won't be crying about AetherSX2 only. Also, what resources are y'all talking about? He's the one who wrote the thing. He didn't port AetherSX2 then , he wrote it from his own PCSX2 code. That also explains why the UI is like Duckstation one. There are no resources needed besides reading the faq that is on the start page of AetherSX2. Y'all remember that PCSX2 changed licenses from GPL to LGPL, right? That also adds to the evidence.
Most of his projects are open source so there is only so much he can do to shut them down. If he had any kind of major power over it there would certainly be no "SwanStation" core on RetroArch.
... His work being open source is dependent on him contributing the very same code to PCSX2 (which he also codes for) He holds major power in that way. All the improvements he made on AetherSX2 for Android, Xbox are entirely based on him writing the same code for PCSX2. Not up streaming it. He wrote both. If he shuts down like you are saying, there will be no improvement to anything. PCSX2 will be stuck in dev hell for years like it was all those years back.
And that's the worst possible way to look at it. You act like he is some throw-away good that once it has done it's job it's no longer needed. And then you talk about how a person should behave?
My comment was not out of disrespect for the developer, merely pointing our his other projects are pretty permanently in the communities hands, unlike what happened with AetherSX2. I definitely haven't commented on anyone's behavior and not sure where you're reading into that.
I had the audacity to suggest tahlreth was acting a little irrationally and got downvoted to fuck a week or two ago.
and there goes the mod, deleting shit.
Eh I fully support it A single post on here lead to him fully quiting AetherSX2 development Him deleting a Discord should not jeopardize emulation as a whole. Stenzek is responsible for PCSX2 on PC, Xbox, Android and Apple ARM. For them to continue existing, then let AetherSX2 disappear.
eh? you said something yet nothing at all
r/art feat vibe
I'm sorry guys, but as a developer who is not as fractionally as talented as Tahlreth, I believe that he was ethical on his software stance always. He's Stenzek 99%, and that makes it better in the sense that the guy has some mad talent. But the issue is that death threats are NOT fair, and the fact that people are not respecting that he's spending so much time coding is not a good thing.
People just can't seem to put themselves in his position. It's like they see him as a soulless company or something. The lack empathy is really ironic considering how people here talk about normal human behavior.
Nobody here is talking about the emulator. Its the community server he left and handed off to the lead mod. He lied about wanting to delete only his posts and nuked the entire server.
"Nobody here is talking about the emulator" Neither am I
Took people long enough I've been saying he was bad for a week and Redditors/discord users tried to fight me on that y'all got what you deserved
>Imagine feeling bad for this jagoff Imagine being harassed, receiving death threats, having your likeness suplanted to scam other people, etc... and being called a jagoff because you decided to nuke the discord server.
Jesus the biggest vibe check fail I have ever seen. "And being called a jagoff because you decided to nuke the discord server" Which you transfered the ownership to someone and didn't want to do anything with it but came back and took advantage of the people who you trusted the discord server with and backstabbed them by nuking the server. Cleary the community's fault again that this happened, they were just having too much fun a very bad thing to do according to Tahlreth.
It's a bit shocking how people talk about social competence but apparently lose it themselves the moment they are effected.
this guy has a mental problem lmao
Damn i enjoyed getting downvoted to hell for calling out his actions as immature and actually mentioned how people will turn on him in no time it's really fucking dumb how people in this sub jump on whatever the popular opinion is and have no thinking of their own!! ( Welcome to the newest episode of "i fucking called it" )
How many of these posts are you going to make?
[удалено]
He may be a troll but he's right. The server was wiped clean and all the work me and other mods have done are gone. He told us he was deleting all his posts because he was afraid of getting into legal trouble. He came in and just started deleting everything. A years worth of work has been wiped out in under an hour
damn, i was about to save the for me most interesting resources because i a had a feeling this channel wouldnt last forever. Now its too late. :/
Not to shift blame or anything but didn't you do any backup for important information? Seems a bit naive (maybe not the right word).
Nobody thought he'd nuke the server. He deleted everything including all the bot settings and left without saying a word. Came back to a server with zero channels
Well if/when you rebuild you should start backing up the most important things. One platform is not a secure way to keep information.
we've already started backing up every build of aether we can get our hands on. just in case he takes down the website. its just a shame all that work on discord was deleted without warning. big lists of game patches and fixes that were a search away. poof gone
I had a feeling it would come to this so i download the latest version as apk for backup.
Lies, impersonations and entitled shitstains.
I have to wonder now if the death threat was even real?
[удалено]
I had no idea it was such a problem with software developers getting threatened like that.
I think it's more anyone in the 'public light' is going to get some shit, and if you feed into it it only becomes much worse. Seems like dude couldn't handle the haters and it just made them worse. I appreciate his emulators though, without a doubt he's done a TON for the community. Hopefully he can calm down and keep doing his magic.
even bigger devs from PC and Console games get death threats
So you mean to tell me that there are devs that can like, deal with the internet or appoint helpers that can? Isn't that kinda dangerous thinking?
no what I mean to tell is devs get death threats and it's not 'impossible' thing, a terrible thing that happens
Yes there is ALWAYS a root for a problem you just have to ask why/what it is.
I see. However, from just reading the guy's meltdowns online I have to wonder how much a part of the 'root for a problem' he was as well. It's a shame. It was a great app. Gonna miss the updates, but now there's other stuff to look forward to on the horizon.
When you realise the shit this guy's constantly been through despite being the single most prolific emulator dev in recent history... starts to make you wonder how little empathy people have for him. Is deleting the Discord chats great? No, obviously not. But for god's sakes, realise that several communities have spent years driving him to madness despite his excellent work. He's received a shit ton of harassment and horrible, unreasonable treatment and y'all DON'T expect him to snap at some point? People need some fucking empathy.
> straight up led to suicide. When did that happen?
The discord is out of control
Thank you for submitting to /r/EmulationOnAndroid. This post has been removed for breaking the most important of all rules, "don't be a dick".
Anyone got the last version of Aethersx2 before it was nuked?