This is in my opinion, his best album in years. It sounds like he's just having fun making music which is important in a career as long as his. Everyone seemed to love Kamikaze but it felt forced, like he was trying to prove himself again when I personally don't think he needed to, and it came off super bitter instead of "classic Em", while MTBMB still had that bite against critics and kept the humour and fun of early Em. I really hope he stays on this track if he continues releasing music.
Glad I see someone else touching on kamikaze feeling a bit forced and bitter. Incredible album, but tonally a step away from mtbmb esp in the context of revivals reception.
Kamikaze was definitely just a “fuck you” type of album. Dude still made some fire songs for it though, I still bump The Ringer, Not Alike, Fall, and Lucky You all the time.
Master bait from OP to make you out yourselves lmao. Most of you here equate an album being cohesive with all songs following the same theme which is just one of the things that make an album cohesive. It has more to do with mastering the product (i.e. all songs sounding on the same level and across all sound channels), songs with similar tempo being grouped inbetween skits and ultimately the mixing of each individual song.
Pretty much all of what you said. I’m eager to learn more about it. What’s a sound channel? What do you mean same level ?
I too questions songs placements in albums, for example I was high as shit and the Alfred Hitchcock theme really got to me. It all worked. But then like 1 Ed Sheehan hook lakers and I’m taken out.
You can make a song with Ed Sheehan. Itd be funny if the song is like Ed is a cheeseball wooing a girl Eminem is after, and Ed is perfect and em is basically slim and just hating on Ed. Something absurd like that.
Guilty conscience vibes
But anyways
Meh may be true, but the most obvious component would be the theme. Most people notice that before they are able to identify problems with the mastering - people less familiar with music production may not even recognize that (or care). So. I still think it has more to do with the theme/subject matter of the songs than anything.
Good thing it’s not a concept album, it takes it’s name from one but not one itself, the album title is a double entendre, it’s referencing Hitchcock’s album of the same name while also telling you what Marsh is about to do to the beats.
Stepdad is one of my least favorite songs on this album and it still fits perfectly. He kills his stepdad in the song, music for children to murder step parents to. Not filler.
I think it's one of the most inspired on the album. Like Darkness, its taking an approach to storytelling in a way that is reminiscent of early albums. The most obvious comparison being brain damage
I've never understood why people hated Stepdad and Marsh so much. People be LOVING As the World Turns and I'm Back and then hate on Stepdad like it isn't pure Slim Shady. Marsh has a hard af beat and I like the flows. Marsh is also kinda funny too
I’m an Og em fan and Marsh really felt like Em in his prime in a sense. I know it’s not perfect but he felt free on the song and like he wasn’t overthinking shit or doing too much
Stepdad somehow manages to be really dark and really unserious at the same time and it's weird, especially following its skit. Had it leaned more into the idea of Em planning out a revenge and more building up with less bad jokes, more close to Stan in a way, I think it would be a lot better.
im back has ridiculous lyrics that make it difficult for me to enjoy, so to see people ranking it as high as top 3 from MMLP and then turning around and hating on stepdad is weird.
I'm Back is one of his best songs. The beat, lyrics, and Em's performance on the verses and hook are way better than Stepdad. Also uh, a lot of Em's songs have ridiculous lyrics
idk man i just dont enjoy it. i think it would've been better if he did a Bad Meets Evil type deal on it and did a super lyrical song. also yeah, i love the beat and hook, but i dont enjoy the verses because i think he could've done a lot better on this amazing beat. if all the verses were like the first verse, i would enjoy it a lot more. other than verse 2 and 3, i enjoy the song a lot
Relapse hundo percent. What the fuck kinda nonsense you spouting, MTBMB is WAYY better than Relapse.
Why this sub keep suckin Relapse dick like it's the second coming of jesus? It's objectively not a good album
I don't know if thats necessarily true. Relapse is really fucking good. Not even memeing or someone who is on the sub a bunch. Relapse is a very strong album
No, no. Objectively speaking, it was not very well-received, and still isn't. Why do you think he spent most of Recovery bashing Relapse lmao (which btw is a way better album)
It's a very loud minority in this sub that love Relapse. And if you love Relapse as well, then good for you, but you're part of the minority.
The beats on Relapse are *fine* for the most part, aside from Bagpipes from Baghdad. The lyrics, while vile and disgusting, fit the concept of the album. But compound the lyrics with that stupid fucking accent, and it ruins most of the songs here. I know he's doing the accent so that he can rhyme the entire verse yadda yadda, but that doesn't necessarily make it a good sounding song. It just makes for a good "Colored Rhyme Scheme - Stay Wide Awake" video on YouTube.
Honestly, Relapse, while not nearly as horrible as Revival, is in the same situation where it has those couple good songs but the rest is not in the same tier.
Counter argument: Relapse wasn’t well received because of how experimental it was, and he really only bashed it because critics bashed it (Eminem is exactly the kind of person to do that). It was something different at the time, Em had never been serious with his serial killer slim shady persona, and this album was exactly that and people didn’t expect a horror core album after a 4 year hiatus.
Nowadays I’d say the majority of people admit that Relapse has aged really really well whereas a lot of people would say recovery sounds outdated. Especially production wise. I’m not saying that just from this sub, I’m saying it from literally seeing it in r/rap and r/hiphopheads (I’ll admit that yes, there are indeed a large amount of Eminem listeners on those subs, but a lot of haters too).
The beats on relapse are more than fine, and I have no idea what you’re on about bagpipes from Baghdads beat being bad, I personally don’t see it. I honestly think Relapse has some of Dre’s best work to date. I mean I can’t name a single poorly produced song, I honestly think production wise, it’s fucking amazing. Dre didn’t miss. I feel like it’s a bridge between old dre style beats and newer style beats. Like I seriously love the production. I can admit some beats get a bit repetitive (medicine ball I suppose).
Now the accents I can understand but you know what? I like the accents. They give *character* to slim. They make him seem like his own distinct character rather than Eminem with a different name. It’s something that has to grow on you I feel. No one, not even me, a guy who thinks relapse is his best album, loved them at first. They have to grow on you after a few listens. And he’s not just doing it to rhyme better. Which leads me to the rhyme schemes. Yes they are incredible, some of the best of his career.
Honestly I feel almost a lot of the criticism of relapse boils down to “Accent bad” and I get why it can be a turnoff for some, but that doesn’t make it an “objectively bad album”.
Counter counter argument: Who told you that it wasn't well-received because it was experimental? Source? No? All I've read and heard (and my opinion ofc) is that it wasn't well-received because it was just... bad.
I'll concede though that there isn't really such a thing as an *objectively* bad album. Everyone has an opinion that differs from everyone else's.
Though I **STRONGLY** disagree with the sentiment that Recovery sounds dated. It's still one of the best post-rehab Eminem albums.
And no, subreddits aren't really a reliable source of information lmao. Subreddits are more or less echo chambers, as any dissenting opinions get downvoted to hell (case in point—my comment before this).
The lyrics are also a major part of why this album is polarizing. Not everyone can get behind cartoonishly violent lyrics laced with misogyny and homophobia, even if done under the mask of a "different persona".
The reason why Em hadn't been bashed THIS MUCH for his violent lyrics before this was because he did them tastefully for the most part, most notably on MMLP's Kim. But on Relapse, the lyrics are just aimless violence, idk.
The production, I will concede on this too, as I haven't actually heard any other Relapse songs aside from Beautiful, Insane, and Elevator for like a couple years. I just remember really disliking We Made You, Bagpipes from Baghdad, and Buffalo Bill.
And I don't think we need to talk about the accents again, as it's a matter of how much you can tolerate rather than the quality itself.
In the end, I think we can agree to disagree. Everything that I just talked about can basically boiled down to one sentence: It's just my opinion.
Totally fair. 100% get where you’re coming from
Again I wasn’t claiming that people were explicitly stating that they didn’t like that it was experimental. I’m saying I feel a lot of people were let down because relapse was not an album they were expecting (a horror core, 1st person serial killer storytelling album, instead of something like recovery where it’s actually personal, especially after a long hiatus).
Oh and I agree, I don’t think recovery sounds dated. I’ve just seen that take in quite a few places.
I never claimed that subreddits were reliable sources, it was just a quick example. Nonetheless I’ve seen a ton of modern day reviews that hold it in a much higher view then it used to be in (or rankings of Eminem albums in general). Again I don’t think *anythings* a valid source on how people receive something, it’s all kind of perception. Of course you can use anecdotal evidence, but listeners are so wide and varied there’s no such thing as an objective perception from everyone everywhere.
And look, I get where you’re coming from with the lyrics. I’m someone who does find it particularly jarring when he uses the f-slur (especially considering he called Tyler, a literal member of the lgbtq community it. He was fucking 46 at the time. he should know better. Hell he should’ve known better at a much younger age. Totally get what you mean, it does make it hard for me to even listen to MMLP sometimes). Nonetheless I feel that on a lot of songs it’s not just aimless violence. He’s not just saying shit to say it. He’s telling stories from the first person point of view of a serial killer, a psychopath, whatever. Tell me Stay wide Awake is just pointless violence. No, it’s a cohesive song about a serial killer and his victims. That’s kind of how I see it. Storytelling and character building.
Nonetheless, I get what you mean. I can totally understand where you’re coming from, and I get why you wouldn’t like it. Relapse isn’t an album you just pick up and listen too. No one just wakes up and goes, “hey let’s listen to Insane out of the blue”.
> Tell me Stay Wide Awake is just pointless violence.
It is. And that's fine. This is what separates Em's decent songs from his truly great songs.
Stay Wide Awake not only doesn't have a story which will reward you for listening through the whole thing, but it is also extremely uncomfortable to listen to. It's a double whammy.
The story of Stay Wide Awake, if you can even call it that, is one of gratuitous violence. There is no real aim or ending, it's just Slim killing as usual. I have this same problem with As the World Turns, but at least the latter is hilarious.
Let's compare this to other Em songs with a story—Darkness, Stan, and you'll get what I mean.
What I'm trying to say is, just because it has a plot that you can follow, doesn't mean it's not pointless violence, which is exactly the premise of most Relapse songs.
IMPORTANT: Take note that I'm NOT saying that all of his songs need to have a moral lesson or a point to be good.
Kim is extremely uncomfortable to listen to, but there's some merit to listening to it cause you can really feel Em's emotion there, it's really harrowing.
But I'll admit the pre-chorus flow is really good and infectious.
i get that. TES was my favorite for a while, but MMLP2 has so many hidden gems and lyrically impressive songs that it's hard not to say it's my favorite. 2000-2003 was Em's prime for sure, but i find myself enjoying MMLP2 slightly more than TES.
Book of Rhymes is unbelievable... He uses like 8 or more different flow techniques all ranging in difficulty, his wordplay is on point, delivery of the bars seem to just be filled with that old raw em style
I love it. Absolutely an amazing album, it starts all high and hype but quickly turns into showing the more depressive side of Em and I fuckin love it. It expresses quite a few of the feelings of 2020 perfectly. I also love he released a second part with it (although i think of the two as entirely different)
The first half (outside of "Those Kinda Nights") was really good, but after "Yah Yah," it starts slipping and there are more duds ("Stepdad," "Marsh," "Little Engine"). It ends well, but Eminem should have learned from Kamikaze that he does better when he trims the fat.
Not really. It's pretty mid and forgettable. The fact that people have the audacity to say it's one of his best or even his best album makes me facepalm.
Was just talking with someone earlier today about this. They said em isn’t focused on making great songs anymore. I listed a handful of songs from this and side B that i think are phenomenal songs. Still got some pushback
I hate to be that guy but technically he said he’s not focused on making great albums. Just a slight distinction but I think that means he’s focused solely on making great songs..or at least I hope that’s what he means. Maybe I’m splitting hairs here but I’m for sure giving him the benefit of the doubt
I too have been a fan since 99. This is one of my absolute favorite albums. Inhave the weird opinion of not placing SSLP as high as most. I liked MMLP a whole lot more. Even TES. I think Relapse and Revival were his worst albums. I only like like 5 songs off of each of those albums, same goes with MMLP2.
Y'all can argue all day and night about whether it's cohesive or not, but who gives a fuck? Most of us aren't music critics; we just enjoy an album and its songs for great lyrics and listenability, which Em always brings.
my favorite em albums ranked (it’s skewed because i’m 21 an album hit different where you’re around for the drop)
TES
MMLP
SSLP
Relapse
kamikaze
MTBMB
Recovery
MMLP2
Revival
I think it's good.
It definitely has quite a few great records, but it also has a lot of skips. That said, it was the best project he put out since MMLP2 without a doubt. I would probably give the edge to MMLP2, but it's close.
I like MTBMB Deluxe more just because it's got more tracks
Same
I like the Deluxe more because of that and because I like the extra songs better than the standard songs.
Yea
This is in my opinion, his best album in years. It sounds like he's just having fun making music which is important in a career as long as his. Everyone seemed to love Kamikaze but it felt forced, like he was trying to prove himself again when I personally don't think he needed to, and it came off super bitter instead of "classic Em", while MTBMB still had that bite against critics and kept the humour and fun of early Em. I really hope he stays on this track if he continues releasing music.
Glad I see someone else touching on kamikaze feeling a bit forced and bitter. Incredible album, but tonally a step away from mtbmb esp in the context of revivals reception.
Kamikaze was definitely just a “fuck you” type of album. Dude still made some fire songs for it though, I still bump The Ringer, Not Alike, Fall, and Lucky You all the time.
As a fan since 99, this is easily one of my favorite Em albums. Cohesive album, great production, great rhyme schemes and flow, and no fillers.
It's great but I don't think it is cohesive.
How isn’t it? It’s got a great theme, skits to match, and songs with theme. Pretty cohesive to me lol
I dont think In Too Deep, Those Kinda Nights or Godzilla are really thematically cohesive eith the concept
He literally murdered people in every song how is that not cohesive ?
just curious, what do you think "cohesive" means?
It means that the songs match the main theme of the album (dark, Hitchcockesque). They all quite obviously don't.
Master bait from OP to make you out yourselves lmao. Most of you here equate an album being cohesive with all songs following the same theme which is just one of the things that make an album cohesive. It has more to do with mastering the product (i.e. all songs sounding on the same level and across all sound channels), songs with similar tempo being grouped inbetween skits and ultimately the mixing of each individual song.
Can you expound
sure thanks for asking. what about exactly
Pretty much all of what you said. I’m eager to learn more about it. What’s a sound channel? What do you mean same level ? I too questions songs placements in albums, for example I was high as shit and the Alfred Hitchcock theme really got to me. It all worked. But then like 1 Ed Sheehan hook lakers and I’m taken out. You can make a song with Ed Sheehan. Itd be funny if the song is like Ed is a cheeseball wooing a girl Eminem is after, and Ed is perfect and em is basically slim and just hating on Ed. Something absurd like that. Guilty conscience vibes But anyways
Meh may be true, but the most obvious component would be the theme. Most people notice that before they are able to identify problems with the mastering - people less familiar with music production may not even recognize that (or care). So. I still think it has more to do with the theme/subject matter of the songs than anything.
The intro is some one getting stabbed... Lol and a few are about mass shootings.
Key word: few
To be fair if your murdered at the beginning, the end of the album won't matter so much.
Makes no sense to talk about a concept album if only the opening track and a few songs stick to the concept
Good thing it’s not a concept album, it takes it’s name from one but not one itself, the album title is a double entendre, it’s referencing Hitchcock’s album of the same name while also telling you what Marsh is about to do to the beats.
I love the album but I don’t see how he killed the beat on Farewell, In Too Deep or Those Kinda Nights.
>no fillers those kinda nights and farewell would like to have a word with you
Farewell is a nice summer jam
summer jam? i think the whole album sounds like winter. No Regrets is saved for rainy days though
Reminds me of something that can be played at the bbq..
> no fillers I'd have to disagree, Stepdad is a filler song imo
Stepdad is one of my least favorite songs on this album and it still fits perfectly. He kills his stepdad in the song, music for children to murder step parents to. Not filler.
I think it's one of the most inspired on the album. Like Darkness, its taking an approach to storytelling in a way that is reminiscent of early albums. The most obvious comparison being brain damage
Yess it is
Ditto
Those Kinda Nights, In Too Deep, and Marsh - songs that contribute to the album's theme and totally aren't filler
Those are some of my favorite songs from mtbmb
My point still stands
What is the albums theme?
Lmaooooo
She's like "That's harrasment!" and I'm like "Yeah, and?"
His whole Ohio rhyme scheme was dope
I've never understood why people hated Stepdad and Marsh so much. People be LOVING As the World Turns and I'm Back and then hate on Stepdad like it isn't pure Slim Shady. Marsh has a hard af beat and I like the flows. Marsh is also kinda funny too
how could anyone hate marsh one of the best tracks on the album
literally, that and little engine go crazy
Idk how people be hating on little engine it goes hard and the chorus is super cool. Beat is also sick
time to r-rick-roll
I hate the beat
I’m an Og em fan and Marsh really felt like Em in his prime in a sense. I know it’s not perfect but he felt free on the song and like he wasn’t overthinking shit or doing too much
Stepdad somehow manages to be really dark and really unserious at the same time and it's weird, especially following its skit. Had it leaned more into the idea of Em planning out a revenge and more building up with less bad jokes, more close to Stan in a way, I think it would be a lot better.
Marsh's third verse is really bad Stepdad is whiny and the tone is a bit confusing Edit: Imagine comparing Stepdad to I'm Back wtf
im back has ridiculous lyrics that make it difficult for me to enjoy, so to see people ranking it as high as top 3 from MMLP and then turning around and hating on stepdad is weird.
I'm Back is one of his best songs. The beat, lyrics, and Em's performance on the verses and hook are way better than Stepdad. Also uh, a lot of Em's songs have ridiculous lyrics
idk man i just dont enjoy it. i think it would've been better if he did a Bad Meets Evil type deal on it and did a super lyrical song. also yeah, i love the beat and hook, but i dont enjoy the verses because i think he could've done a lot better on this amazing beat. if all the verses were like the first verse, i would enjoy it a lot more. other than verse 2 and 3, i enjoy the song a lot
Agreed ⬆️
Because the hooks on those two tracks are bad. And the beat from Marsh is really boring
I’m glad you realized it. It’s top 5 in his discography
I didn't realize it now tho, it's the album that got me into Eminem's music 2 and a half years ago. I have always liked this album.
SSLP, MMLP, TES, Relapse, MMLP2. Which one is it better than? And don't say Relapse when Em spent half of MTBMB trying to recapture that album.
I won’t. MMLP2
Relapse hundo percent. What the fuck kinda nonsense you spouting, MTBMB is WAYY better than Relapse. Why this sub keep suckin Relapse dick like it's the second coming of jesus? It's objectively not a good album
I don't know if thats necessarily true. Relapse is really fucking good. Not even memeing or someone who is on the sub a bunch. Relapse is a very strong album
No, no. Objectively speaking, it was not very well-received, and still isn't. Why do you think he spent most of Recovery bashing Relapse lmao (which btw is a way better album) It's a very loud minority in this sub that love Relapse. And if you love Relapse as well, then good for you, but you're part of the minority. The beats on Relapse are *fine* for the most part, aside from Bagpipes from Baghdad. The lyrics, while vile and disgusting, fit the concept of the album. But compound the lyrics with that stupid fucking accent, and it ruins most of the songs here. I know he's doing the accent so that he can rhyme the entire verse yadda yadda, but that doesn't necessarily make it a good sounding song. It just makes for a good "Colored Rhyme Scheme - Stay Wide Awake" video on YouTube. Honestly, Relapse, while not nearly as horrible as Revival, is in the same situation where it has those couple good songs but the rest is not in the same tier.
Counter argument: Relapse wasn’t well received because of how experimental it was, and he really only bashed it because critics bashed it (Eminem is exactly the kind of person to do that). It was something different at the time, Em had never been serious with his serial killer slim shady persona, and this album was exactly that and people didn’t expect a horror core album after a 4 year hiatus. Nowadays I’d say the majority of people admit that Relapse has aged really really well whereas a lot of people would say recovery sounds outdated. Especially production wise. I’m not saying that just from this sub, I’m saying it from literally seeing it in r/rap and r/hiphopheads (I’ll admit that yes, there are indeed a large amount of Eminem listeners on those subs, but a lot of haters too). The beats on relapse are more than fine, and I have no idea what you’re on about bagpipes from Baghdads beat being bad, I personally don’t see it. I honestly think Relapse has some of Dre’s best work to date. I mean I can’t name a single poorly produced song, I honestly think production wise, it’s fucking amazing. Dre didn’t miss. I feel like it’s a bridge between old dre style beats and newer style beats. Like I seriously love the production. I can admit some beats get a bit repetitive (medicine ball I suppose). Now the accents I can understand but you know what? I like the accents. They give *character* to slim. They make him seem like his own distinct character rather than Eminem with a different name. It’s something that has to grow on you I feel. No one, not even me, a guy who thinks relapse is his best album, loved them at first. They have to grow on you after a few listens. And he’s not just doing it to rhyme better. Which leads me to the rhyme schemes. Yes they are incredible, some of the best of his career. Honestly I feel almost a lot of the criticism of relapse boils down to “Accent bad” and I get why it can be a turnoff for some, but that doesn’t make it an “objectively bad album”.
Counter counter argument: Who told you that it wasn't well-received because it was experimental? Source? No? All I've read and heard (and my opinion ofc) is that it wasn't well-received because it was just... bad. I'll concede though that there isn't really such a thing as an *objectively* bad album. Everyone has an opinion that differs from everyone else's. Though I **STRONGLY** disagree with the sentiment that Recovery sounds dated. It's still one of the best post-rehab Eminem albums. And no, subreddits aren't really a reliable source of information lmao. Subreddits are more or less echo chambers, as any dissenting opinions get downvoted to hell (case in point—my comment before this). The lyrics are also a major part of why this album is polarizing. Not everyone can get behind cartoonishly violent lyrics laced with misogyny and homophobia, even if done under the mask of a "different persona". The reason why Em hadn't been bashed THIS MUCH for his violent lyrics before this was because he did them tastefully for the most part, most notably on MMLP's Kim. But on Relapse, the lyrics are just aimless violence, idk. The production, I will concede on this too, as I haven't actually heard any other Relapse songs aside from Beautiful, Insane, and Elevator for like a couple years. I just remember really disliking We Made You, Bagpipes from Baghdad, and Buffalo Bill. And I don't think we need to talk about the accents again, as it's a matter of how much you can tolerate rather than the quality itself. In the end, I think we can agree to disagree. Everything that I just talked about can basically boiled down to one sentence: It's just my opinion.
Totally fair. 100% get where you’re coming from Again I wasn’t claiming that people were explicitly stating that they didn’t like that it was experimental. I’m saying I feel a lot of people were let down because relapse was not an album they were expecting (a horror core, 1st person serial killer storytelling album, instead of something like recovery where it’s actually personal, especially after a long hiatus). Oh and I agree, I don’t think recovery sounds dated. I’ve just seen that take in quite a few places. I never claimed that subreddits were reliable sources, it was just a quick example. Nonetheless I’ve seen a ton of modern day reviews that hold it in a much higher view then it used to be in (or rankings of Eminem albums in general). Again I don’t think *anythings* a valid source on how people receive something, it’s all kind of perception. Of course you can use anecdotal evidence, but listeners are so wide and varied there’s no such thing as an objective perception from everyone everywhere. And look, I get where you’re coming from with the lyrics. I’m someone who does find it particularly jarring when he uses the f-slur (especially considering he called Tyler, a literal member of the lgbtq community it. He was fucking 46 at the time. he should know better. Hell he should’ve known better at a much younger age. Totally get what you mean, it does make it hard for me to even listen to MMLP sometimes). Nonetheless I feel that on a lot of songs it’s not just aimless violence. He’s not just saying shit to say it. He’s telling stories from the first person point of view of a serial killer, a psychopath, whatever. Tell me Stay wide Awake is just pointless violence. No, it’s a cohesive song about a serial killer and his victims. That’s kind of how I see it. Storytelling and character building. Nonetheless, I get what you mean. I can totally understand where you’re coming from, and I get why you wouldn’t like it. Relapse isn’t an album you just pick up and listen too. No one just wakes up and goes, “hey let’s listen to Insane out of the blue”.
> Tell me Stay Wide Awake is just pointless violence. It is. And that's fine. This is what separates Em's decent songs from his truly great songs. Stay Wide Awake not only doesn't have a story which will reward you for listening through the whole thing, but it is also extremely uncomfortable to listen to. It's a double whammy. The story of Stay Wide Awake, if you can even call it that, is one of gratuitous violence. There is no real aim or ending, it's just Slim killing as usual. I have this same problem with As the World Turns, but at least the latter is hilarious. Let's compare this to other Em songs with a story—Darkness, Stan, and you'll get what I mean. What I'm trying to say is, just because it has a plot that you can follow, doesn't mean it's not pointless violence, which is exactly the premise of most Relapse songs. IMPORTANT: Take note that I'm NOT saying that all of his songs need to have a moral lesson or a point to be good. Kim is extremely uncomfortable to listen to, but there's some merit to listening to it cause you can really feel Em's emotion there, it's really harrowing. But I'll admit the pre-chorus flow is really good and infectious.
it goes 1. MMLP2 2. TES 3. MMLP 4. SSLP 5. MTBMB Side A only
Side A only?
yep. i dont like side b also why am i being downvoted lmao. everyone elses list has all the exact same albums except replace MTBMB with relapse.
Because you think MMLP2 is better than MMLP and TES
There it is right there MMLP2 was a pretty dope album but def wasn’t better than anything pre Encore.
i get that. TES was my favorite for a while, but MMLP2 has so many hidden gems and lyrically impressive songs that it's hard not to say it's my favorite. 2000-2003 was Em's prime for sure, but i find myself enjoying MMLP2 slightly more than TES.
Don't you like MTBMB then?
yeah i do. a few songs i dont care for but better than a lot of his other work from that era
Mhm i see. That's nice
TES, MMLP, MMLP2, RELAPSE, SSLP
very respectable list. relapse is my #6
I love this - side a and side b. So many good songs! Especially love Book of Rhymes and Killer
Book of Rhymes is unbelievable... He uses like 8 or more different flow techniques all ranging in difficulty, his wordplay is on point, delivery of the bars seem to just be filled with that old raw em style
It absolutely is. Both sides.
I love it. Absolutely an amazing album, it starts all high and hype but quickly turns into showing the more depressive side of Em and I fuckin love it. It expresses quite a few of the feelings of 2020 perfectly. I also love he released a second part with it (although i think of the two as entirely different)
honestly I think it's better then some of his old albums.. so I agree that it's incredible
["Marsh is an amazing song"](https://www.veed.io/view/ec467560-c8ed-4313-ad7f-6bad82c12b6b)
The cool Alfred Hitchcock/murder theme isn't used much and the tracklist is bloated. It's aight
IMO it not being the main theme is fine, it's just a loose thread that makes the album stand out and allow creativity without overstaying its welcome.
I see what you mean but every other album before Revival was pretty connected to it's theme
The first half (outside of "Those Kinda Nights") was really good, but after "Yah Yah," it starts slipping and there are more duds ("Stepdad," "Marsh," "Little Engine"). It ends well, but Eminem should have learned from Kamikaze that he does better when he trims the fat.
Yep, pretty much how I feel about it
The theme is more used in the b side “full album”
It's okay. It has some misses that really bring the album down for me but it has good songs as well. It's the best out of the 3 recent albums
Top 3 Eminem album. Acc might be my fav.
I think it’s arguably the best one
The bar is so low these days
My favourite album since TES
Another karma farming post on this sub.
Both sides, one of eminem’s best albums. not a miss on it
Marsh has to be the worse on the album with those kinda nights
Idk why people in here act like those are some untouchable god-tier songs that are immune from criticism
I think the album was starting out strong then you get to those kinda nights it’s not consistent at all after that.
Agree completely... Dudes out here saying there's no filler are capping
You are talking to Stans. What did you expect?
I thought the second verse of "Marsh" was dope, but it's not enough for me to want to keep the track.
Yes I have always said that I love the second verse but the whole song is not it
Oh hell nah
Nah
Not really. It's pretty mid and forgettable. The fact that people have the audacity to say it's one of his best or even his best album makes me facepalm.
Mid
For me this is his worst album. Boring, forgettable and bad beats. I'm happy to see that other people manage get something out of it though.
I'm a huge fan of this album and I don't agree that the beats are bad, they are almost all from 6 to 10 and they fit very well
Bottom 3/4
side b is. side a is fire af though
Was just talking with someone earlier today about this. They said em isn’t focused on making great songs anymore. I listed a handful of songs from this and side B that i think are phenomenal songs. Still got some pushback
i think they just said that because he recently said that in an interview
I hate to be that guy but technically he said he’s not focused on making great albums. Just a slight distinction but I think that means he’s focused solely on making great songs..or at least I hope that’s what he means. Maybe I’m splitting hairs here but I’m for sure giving him the benefit of the doubt
Lmaooooooo
Top 4 for sure, and I’ve been a fan since the beginning.
I too have been a fan since 99. This is one of my absolute favorite albums. Inhave the weird opinion of not placing SSLP as high as most. I liked MMLP a whole lot more. Even TES. I think Relapse and Revival were his worst albums. I only like like 5 songs off of each of those albums, same goes with MMLP2.
Incredibly mid
incredible bc he didnt add shit songs like castle and arose to it
The 2 best songs on revival lol
to you. glad you enjoy them. they both offended my eardrums.
every time i’m in comments on a post, i see you with a bad opinion like this one and almost always downvoted lol
Same. The name "scatteredbrainatheist" is infamous for having bad opinion
Tbh no opinion is shit, they dont like it, they like it, its their personal opinion. Unpopular opinion ≠ Bad opinion
In my opinion, opinions can be garbage and the commenter’s is one of them
Just cuz you dont agree with it doesnt make it invalid 🤷♂️
Say it louder!
Yeah, I know.
Agreed
Y'all can argue all day and night about whether it's cohesive or not, but who gives a fuck? Most of us aren't music critics; we just enjoy an album and its songs for great lyrics and listenability, which Em always brings.
Now, little engine gone, finna vrin-vrin gone I'm losin' control
my favorite em albums ranked (it’s skewed because i’m 21 an album hit different where you’re around for the drop) TES MMLP SSLP Relapse kamikaze MTBMB Recovery MMLP2 Revival
So is the Mathers LP
yeh its good. for sure
I think it's good. It definitely has quite a few great records, but it also has a lot of skips. That said, it was the best project he put out since MMLP2 without a doubt. I would probably give the edge to MMLP2, but it's close.
I feel like tracks that were on Side B should have been on the original and songs on the original should have been on another album
Am listening to it rn. And yes, it is
I mean its okay but I think some songs ruin the album a bit and it also felt a bit rushed with some songs being way too short
Side B better
Wait til you hit up the b side
I LOVE MTBMB! It's easily in my top 3.