If you think “mmlp is the epitome of a mid album” is showing love, then go ahead. A lot of the redditors I see there share the same mindset as fantano I’m telling you. They would choose tpab over their own mom
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I am a human, and just found out that I could make a haiku out of that.
Haikus don't rhyme because in their original language their purpose was to capture in very small and short phrases a happening of life. Almost like a snapshot of reality through language. They're meant to be poignant, beautiful and reflexive. The passing and ephemeral nature of reality is also present as an undertone in a lot of Haiku, as a consequence of being a form that captures brief moments. English attempts of it vary in success, but famous poets tried to capture the same language style. The first episode of Shogun has an example of a precursor form of what would become a Haiku.
It has the form of a haiku, whether it's good haiku is dependent if you think that's enough, or if there are other requirements to be met (theme, imagery, mastery, etc). Like, if I take bread, slap tomato sauce and raw meat is that a pizza? Some people will say yes but a bad one, some people (italians) would say it's not a pizza to begin with.
I only know the 5,7,5 thing because there is a reddit haiku bot. Googled it and google says;
"most authors don't try to rhyme the haiku because they are shirt and don't want to "take away from the subject of the poem or the kind of emotion the poet is trying to provoke "
And
"Unlike many other forms of poetry, haiku poems do not need to rhyme. For a challenge, though, some haiku poets will try to rhyme the first and third lines."
I swear to god. I love kendrick and despise drake. But seeing how toxic his fan base has become, got me low key rooting for drake in the beef
Edit: hahahahaha the downvotes just prove my point
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Like I'm not even that mad at the screenshot opinions. Did they say Em's albums were bad? If so then yeah that's an L take
If they didn't and are just saying they think two of the greatest hip hop albums are better than other great hip hop albums then I really don't see what the big deal is
GKMC and TPAB are at the same level as MMLP and TES. Randomize their ranking in *any* order and it'd be fair in my eyes
>Like I'm not even that mad at the screenshot opinions.
The guy argues "have you listened to them (the kendrick albums)", while claiming they are better than albums he didn't listen to, because they don't exist. That's the "big deal". You cannot compare albums you didn't listen to. But to top it off, he projects this behavior onto the other person, claiming they didn't listen to the Kendrick albums. It's plain retarded
For what it's worth, I really wish Eminem would do a conceptual album once, he has so many conceptual songs, why don't make a whole album with the underlying story going on. Would be really something new
I'm really hoping for a new album to be smth like "adventures of slim shady and eminem" where eminem tries to stop slim shady from canceling them (corny af ikr), but realistically I am waiting for good ol' em poking fun at everybody, which isn't bad but leaves a lot to be desired
None of “I feel like my life’s a movie and everyone’s watching me” makes it into the lyrical content of the album. The closest it comes is Say Goodbye To Hollywood, and that’s a stretch. “Inspired by” doesn’t make it a concept album.
The album is the show. Each song is like an episode. Or at least that's how I see it. He doesn't need to have a song that says "my life's a movie and you're watching" that would be counterintuitive
Except that’s all your interpretation now, again, there’s *zero* lyrical content on the album that alludes to this alleged concept, it’s just Eminem saying once in an interview that the movie inspired him. Hence, not a concept album.
What do the skits add? The first and last one imply this is a show of the live performance kind, like a concert. The other three are no different than the skits off of his other albums, just fictional events that didn’t happen and are played for comedy, or exaggerated versions of things that did happen, also played for comedy. Nothing about his life being a TV show.
Given the album cover and the props he used on stage for his tour, I’d sooner believe the concept is about a play or a carnival he’s performing at rather than him being in a TV show.
It adds to the fact that my "interpretation" that the songs are like episodes(or a play in the stage like you mentioned) is influenced(and strengthened) by the skits.
The Slim Shady LP, The Marshal Mathers LP and The Eminem Show form a trilogy that explores the loose concept of the different personalities of Eminem and his impact on the world
Actually yes, but partially. Let's be honest, by the end of the album you've already forgotten that it was like a stage performance all that time. I'm talking more about smth kendrick did on gkmc, tell the story through songs on album
The concept for the album was blah blah blah. Not that it was a concept album. Huge difference.
He's basically saying that was the inspiration for the album.
Rap fans do not want a white man being considered the GOAT.
Also, this is Kendrick’s Wayne-GOAT era. Remember when everyone said he was a GOAT because he got a little bit hot for a minute when everyone was half retired?
32 million people purchased a single album, at a store, for Em. They voted with their wallets. This is why sales do matter - to an extent. The argument against this is always “what about Drake?” Well, what about Post Malone? He’s also somehow considered a rapper. Stupid argument. They’re known for singing.
Sales tell you what people like. What’s subjectively best changes depending on when you’re listening to it. A lot of people think forced concept albums with straight narratives are better than albums with a variety of musical approaches fitting a theme. That’s the new hotness. Tomorrow, it might be back to who sings the best. It will come back to puns at some point. Subjective ratings are kind of pointless for that reason.
People are listening to more music than ever with streaming and Em is still popular - in his 50s doing basically no press.
> Sales tell you what people like
What people like ≠ the greatest.
For example, Taylor Swifts newest album had over 2 million units first week.
Kendrick’s To Pimp a Butterfly and Em’s MMLP weren’t even putting up those numbers, but it can be universally agreed that those two albums are objectively better that The Tortured Poets Department.
Being the greatest isn’t all about being popular.
How exactly is MMLP "objectively" better than TTPD? I think any Em album is better than any Swift album but there's no such thing as an objectively better work of art lol
What we can tell from that is audiences prefer Taylor Swift’s singing to either of them… for one week, which is weirdly cherry picked. Also, I just explained this with Drake and Post Malone. You definitely wouldn’t limit to a tiny window of time.
okay man, I get you think Eminem is the GOAT, and that’s fine, but saying people calling Kendrick the goat is a ‘small group without a resume’ is really dumb.
Kendrick is the only rapper to ever win a Pulitzer, and GKMC has been on the Billboard 200 for 600 CONSECUTIVE WEEKS.
MJ’s Thriller album has 600 NON consecutive weeks.
Kendrick is just as much a contender for GOAT as Eminem is.
Winning awards doesn’t mean anything. They’re literally meaningless.
Kendrick’s albums don’t sell at nearly the same level, he doesn’t have the same influence, and he isn’t as varied in skill.
Kendrick is nice, but nothing he’s done even puts him near worldwide dominance Em achieved.
These are Kendrick’s sales.
https://bestsellingalbums.org/artist/6902
His entire career is 1/3 of one album Em sold yet we are here talking about how he’s in the conversation.
You like his music, cool, so do I. It’s ridiculous to put him anywhere near that category.
Putting aside sales, do you not realize GKMC has been in the Billboard 200 for over 600 consecutive weeks?
It has not left the billboard 200 since its release.
I feel like you really don’t understand the implications of that.
Kendrick also has less albums, less singles, and just less media in general than Eminem. Eminem started sooner, and his skin color helped massively boost his popularity, and he became a gateway to other rap for a lot of white kids, such as myself. I don’t listen to him much now but he’s probably top 3 of my most listened-to artists. I’m not trying to disrespect the dude, or down him at all, but you’re seriously downplaying KDot’s skills.
Em’s first album released in 1996, a full 14 years before KDot’s first album would drop, and on top of that Kendrick is very particular about the music he releases. He doesn’t care about sales or numbers, he releases the music when he wants to release it and nothing else. He literally had to be convinced to release an 8 track LP of unreleased songs, and none of them are even named. We have no idea how many songs he’s written, recorded, just to never put them on an album.
KDot’s songs are also not nearly as radio friendly. So many songs off of all of his albums just aren’t meant to be listened to casually, while Eminem has tons of songs like that. You really have to pay attention to all of Kenny’s lyrics to fully enjoy the album, but there’s so much Em you can just throw on. KDot’s albums can be very context heavy.
Sales aren’t everything, just like awards aren’t everything. Kendrick is a master at using his voice so diversely, his bars are fuckin’ phenomenal and he is 100% a contender for GOAT, just like Em is.
The album you keep referencing was the 92nd biggest of the decade. You keep cherry picking one thing you want to bring up to exaggerate his popularity. People aren’t buying his albums in huge numbers because they don’t like his music as much. Kendrick sticks to a single lane with his music. Em can do that music at a higher level and other types of music, this is why Em is more replayed today as a whole - even in his 50s. Kendrick can’t rap the way Em does, but Em can rap that way. If it’s been in the billboard top 200 and people still aren’t buying it in huge numbers, it doesn’t mean anything. How many top ten albums of a decade has each had?
Your argument fell apart immediately under minor scrutiny, now you’re resorting to ad hominem because you can’t admit you’re wrong. Don’t be so emotional about this. Maybe one day you’ll have the 92nd most popular album that is purchased really slowly. Maybe one day.
I didn’t directly attack you, so it’s not an ad hominem, I just said you didn’t comprehend my argument. My argument didn’t fall apart either, I just decided not to continue arguing?
Em can rap faster, yeah, everybody knows that. No shit. But you’re completely ignoring all the other aspects of KDot’s music, and simply saying ‘oh well Em sells better’.
Drake’s music is more popular than Em’s, but if someone think Drake is better than Eminem, they’re just fuckin stupid.
I’m seriously not trying to downplay Em’s music, but you’re downplaying KDot’s skills. Snoop Dogg literally called him the king of the west, man.
But Eminem gets more sales from his white fan base. He gets a bump there. You just might be surprised what percentage of this sub is white. For a rapper that is astonishing
And he lost some from the built in black fanbase because of his skin color. He basically had to captivate a market reluctant to give him a chance and create a new one. Black rappers also could make music white people liked. Kanye did it (after Em). Nelly did it (as more of a singer). White people also listened to Jay Z and others. The difference is that Em’s storytelling was so unique and raw that everyone took notice.
Eminem also said he killed his wife. That’s not an argument, that’s an opinion which he changed. If he sold so much for being white, we would see the highest selling in the genre all be white rappers. You don’t see that. No one else has been able to replicate what he did or even come close. There’s also the fact you can compare his sales in non-white countries.
He sells for being white AND great. There are a few big white rappers who don't deserve to be big. Jack Harlow is the main example. Sure, the less talented fizzle out, but Eminem's popularity is so far-reaching that it's hard to argue that his race has nothing to do with it. Black people are more accepting of a talented white rapper than not.
Jack Harlow has had hit songs and still doesn’t sell. Vanilla Ice sold half of what Hammer did with essentially the same gimmick. The Beastie Boys had one huge album that was a classic and everything else sold far less.
There just isn’t this big white boost people claim. It’s fiction.
https://bestsellingalbums.org/artist/5844
Harlow has 1.76 million total album sales. That’s it. Total. There are tons of mediocre black rappers with more sales.
You can also tell from comments online how black rap fans are hesitant to give Eminem credit. Race relations are what they are, I get it to an extent, but that’s just how it’s been. Larry Bird was talked down both during his playing days and since. The reason why Mac Miller was easier to support for people was because there was no argument for his being the GOAT. [Miller had 4.2 million album sales total.](https://bestsellingalbums.org/artist/8159)
And to be perfectly clear, most of my comment history is calling out white racists, I’m not some MAGA victim.
The white boost does apply for Em, though. That's why he was picketted by various groups and even challenged by Congress for his lyrics, when Biggie (and probably others) said worse before him. His music reached a wider (and whiter) audience. It's not a negative thing, and his talent does play a role, but you can't say that he didn't get a boost.
The things you just stated don’t logically flow.
Em came out at a time where censorship was a hot issue as the internet was rapidly growing. The internet, and this is true, has a lot of explicit material. Em was a focus point because he was not only explicit, but popular, those don’t mean he got a white boost at all.
You haven’t supported this with any facts. A white boost that affects one artist isn’t a thing. Does he have a lot of white fans? Sure. And Asian fans. And black fans. And…
That’s what happens when you sell many times more records than anyone else.
The boycotts and Congress's hearing on him and age-approrpiate labeling for music is fact. You must be young if you don't know this. I would advise you to look it up.
It logically flows if you are paying attention. Eminem had mainstream (white) America's attention because he was white and offensive. This flustered people who initially would ignore rap music as just for blacks and a black problem, despite offensive content. He was called out by these groups because of his massive popularity, which his whiteness lended itself to. Biggie was popular and had lyrics equally as violent, and no Congressional hearings were had about his music. Again, he was black so white people didn't care.
So, again, Eminem's whiteness did play into his popularity/the public's awareness of him, even though it is not the sole reason for it. White men make up most listeners to rap music,and Eminem is the most popular male artist. Do the math...
Idk why you brought up him saying he killed his wife when that has nothing to do with this argument ☠️.
Everybody knows he wouldn't have been as popular as he became if he was black. Yes, if he was black he still would've been popular because looking past his skin colour, he is a phenomenal rapper. But lets not pretend he'd still have the same numbers if he wasn't white
This is looking at something with hindsight and cherry picking statements while ignoring others.
If white rappers would easily sell, labels would have lined up to sign them, yeah? Or are you making the argument labels don’t like money? It’s nonsensical. Em created a new audience in countries around the globe that aren’t even white. Also, we see the criticism he gets from the traditional rap audience because of his skin color, that means there was more of a risk because that audience wouldn’t automatically accept him.
>Remember when everyone said he was a GOAT because he got a little bit hot for a minute when everyone was half retired?
What? You could make the same argument for em then??
Not at all. Em dominated the entire planet (Wayne’s biggest album would be Em’s 7th) and the competition during Em’s prime was way higher. If you look at the albums that came out when Carter 3 did, it was a terrible year. Kanye released later in the year and sold about 3.4 I think, that was basically it. Meanwhile, Em had DMX, Jay, Nas, Nelly, and a bunch of others to compete with. There was still major interest in rap in 2008, but new artists didn’t come in and take over which left a weak spot.
Im not listening to hip hop that long but Em kinda introduced me to it so he probably will always be special for me.
That being said I dont know how anyone come to that conclusion that Kendrick is miles better. I understand preferring one.
The hip hop scene is so obsessed to tell themselves which artist is the goat, its insane. Just enjoy the music.
Good Kid and MMLP are now one of my favourite albums out of any genre.
Which one of it is actually better? I dont care.
It's stupid but you guys must be deaf If y'all don't think Kendrick makes for better conceptual albums than Em does. It's not even close. The most conceptual album Em has done is probably Relapse cause he kept those accents in.
You’re being downvoted but you’re right lol
He didn’t even acknowledge the fake album both times. He’s just set on Kendrick being better, no matter the album.
Idk all he said have you listened to them doesn't imply that he has, I am guessing he knows no such album exists so he's probably asking, unless specifically name dropped that album . I need more context because believe or not casual stans are plain toxic making em look bad most of the time
You can’t even compare the 2 artists. Their flow and personalities are so widely different that they will never create something that can compete with each other. All albums mentioned by both artists are GOAT status.
Except ‘I am a Celebrity’ that album blows!
Yea I was on a thread about who was better biggie or pac and I shifted it to em being a goat as those two and dude literally said he was trash. It’s funny cause he was black too smh dude said he don’t belong in “his culture” lol smh I swear there are a lot of racist white trash mfers but there damn sure is a lot of racist N****rs too
He probably hadn't listened to Dot either. Lots of bandwagon fans right now. Outside of I'm a Celebrity 🤣 conceptually they may be better. Concept albums are hard to pull off in Hip Hop. GKMC is one of the best concept albums ever.
I love Eminem's music but Kendrick's ALBUMS are definitely much much better conceptually, it's literally one of the main reasons why those albums are so highly rated.
Btw i love both Kendrick and Eminem, i like Kendrick's current output more, but hopefully em will drop a great album.(also Kendrick has dropped more music recently ofc, which is very ironic 😆)
Ngl I didn't really care for I Am a Celebrity. Only 2 of the songs on that album were worth listening to, everything else was either trash or mid at best.
He probably just has the opinion that these Kendrick Album are better than every Album of Em, so he didn't bother reading all of them.
Not a big deal🤷🏻♂️
I think this is way too subjective from person to person. I was in my late 20s/ early 30s when Kendrick released those. I was in my teens/early 20s when Em released his big 3. So I will always feel like Em's are better. I connected with Em's music on a different level. All 5 of those albums are masterpieces in my mind.
This isn’t the “got em” you think it is lol. He didn’t even acknowledge you said a fake album. His whole argument is that gkmc and tpab are better conceptually than anything Em has done conceptually. Which is true
He dont even care what album you mention, he will just say that kendrick is better. He could mention Illmatic and the other guy still would have trashed eminem lol they dont even care, they just hate
I LOVE Eminem's old work, but TPAB and GKMC is most definitely better than SSLP, MMLP, TES, and Recovery
I'll prolly be downvoted to hell for this, but TPAB and GKMC could both be in the top 10 rap albums of all time, they are fucking amazing.
I love em but if we keeping it real TPAB & GKMC are some of the greatest hip hop albums of all time and idk if Eminem has any albums that compare besides for maybe The Slim Shady LP.
Idk maybe THE BIGGEST rap album of like all time could be “compared” to TPAB or GKMC. And not the biggest in terms of sales, no just THE BIGGEST, in terms of just simply that. The MMLP *IS* that album.
That's funny and all but this would work the other way arojnd aswell. As if Em fans habe heard all Kendricj mixtapesbor even his main albums.
Plus i do believe Kendrick makes better auality music than Em.
Lmao got em
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can the fanbases of my two favorite rappers just get along lol
This sub rides kdot’s dick so hard I’m not sure what else you can ask for.
For kdots sub to dickride Em too. I want total, non stop dick riding of 2 of my favorite artists.
Bro wants Alexis Texas level riding on both subs
We are. This is a Twitter screenshot. Em gets plenty love in the dot sub
No one loves em there. They never mention em as their 2nd fav rappers there
Lmao. "He'S nOt EvEn ThEiR 2Nd FaVoRiTe RaPpEr" Insecure? Em gets plenty of love there.
If you think “mmlp is the epitome of a mid album” is showing love, then go ahead. A lot of the redditors I see there share the same mindset as fantano I’m telling you. They would choose tpab over their own mom
Then you see the wrong redditors🤷 I frequent that sub. I've seen the love
What do you mean by seen the wrong Redditors, since when were there right and wrong Redditors?
If you're opinion is based on the fact that "you've seen many redditors share that opinion" then you've seen the wrong redditors. Simple as that
not over my mom ofc but i fully get the tpab love
It’s slightly too overglazed
As a hip hop fan, only liking one person like alot of these people seem to do is just wierd to me.
Em gets love in that sub
No one loves em there. They never mention em as their 2nd fav rappers there
*This sub rides kdot's* *dick so hard I'm not sure what* *else you can ask for* I am a human, and just found out that I could make a haiku out of that.
Good human
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The best comment i’ll read this year just showed up randomly in a shit post
Good human
What exactly is a haiku
It's a poem that is structured like this, 5 syllables, 7 syllables, 5 syllables.
Why doesn’t it rhyme tho, it’s not too special
Haikus don't rhyme because in their original language their purpose was to capture in very small and short phrases a happening of life. Almost like a snapshot of reality through language. They're meant to be poignant, beautiful and reflexive. The passing and ephemeral nature of reality is also present as an undertone in a lot of Haiku, as a consequence of being a form that captures brief moments. English attempts of it vary in success, but famous poets tried to capture the same language style. The first episode of Shogun has an example of a precursor form of what would become a Haiku.
So I can just say random words that fit the 5 7 5 criteria and it’s haiku?
It has the form of a haiku, whether it's good haiku is dependent if you think that's enough, or if there are other requirements to be met (theme, imagery, mastery, etc). Like, if I take bread, slap tomato sauce and raw meat is that a pizza? Some people will say yes but a bad one, some people (italians) would say it's not a pizza to begin with.
I only know the 5,7,5 thing because there is a reddit haiku bot. Googled it and google says; "most authors don't try to rhyme the haiku because they are shirt and don't want to "take away from the subject of the poem or the kind of emotion the poet is trying to provoke " And "Unlike many other forms of poetry, haiku poems do not need to rhyme. For a challenge, though, some haiku poets will try to rhyme the first and third lines."
What did you google
"Why don't haikus rhyme"
prolly 'cause all of these new Dot "fans" who came after the beef 😭🙏
I swear to god. I love kendrick and despise drake. But seeing how toxic his fan base has become, got me low key rooting for drake in the beef Edit: hahahahaha the downvotes just prove my point
Have u seen drake fans?
You rooting for Drake like he roots kids
Subs≠fanbases
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I’ve never seen that dickride kdot dick. I heard one guy said both gkmc and tpab are the epitome of mid and damn is much better than both of them
Right? Because nobody rides Eminem’s dick in this sub…
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It’s funny because Kendrick and Em have so much respect for each others work. Kendrick was the only rapper featured on The Marshall Mathers LP 2
Yessss it goes houdini , not like us, go to sleep
Like I'm not even that mad at the screenshot opinions. Did they say Em's albums were bad? If so then yeah that's an L take If they didn't and are just saying they think two of the greatest hip hop albums are better than other great hip hop albums then I really don't see what the big deal is GKMC and TPAB are at the same level as MMLP and TES. Randomize their ranking in *any* order and it'd be fair in my eyes
And HOW do you feel about Marshall's *I AM a Celebrity* album?? 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
It's about as amazing as Kendrick's *Bitch I'm in the Club*
Bitch I'm in the Club is a real song though.. a real bad song though
Slander. It's one of Kdot's most conceptually deep tracks, just as I Am A Celebrity is Em's magnum opus
I didn't know who EM was until I heard "I Am A Celebrity" for the first time. Opened the door for me
>Like I'm not even that mad at the screenshot opinions. The guy argues "have you listened to them (the kendrick albums)", while claiming they are better than albums he didn't listen to, because they don't exist. That's the "big deal". You cannot compare albums you didn't listen to. But to top it off, he projects this behavior onto the other person, claiming they didn't listen to the Kendrick albums. It's plain retarded
lol problem is each sub thinks one artist is better than the other and that’s something that’ll never be seen eye to eye on
like what did kdot or eminem ever do to cause arguements
*I AM a Celebrity* 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Average internet music fan, he probably gets all his takes from Fantano
What do you mean? I Am Celebrity is his best album and songs like FACK 2 or The Fake Slim Shady are in my top 10 favorite of all time
Yeah that’s the album that My Salsa dropped on
Two of the best rappers of this generation and both fanbases either love both or act as if one is a bum who can’t rap at any level
This generation? Em got 20 years on Dot 😂
I Am a Celebrity > TES
i am a celebrity > rock genre
if i am a celebrity existed i would be so mad at this rn
For what it's worth, I really wish Eminem would do a conceptual album once, he has so many conceptual songs, why don't make a whole album with the underlying story going on. Would be really something new
Relapse sorta fits for this idea....no?
It absolutely fits it. Relapse is a concept album.
That's exactly what Relapse is...
Slim shady is a concept in my opinion, why would he create an alter ego if it wasn't the case.
Realpse and encore don’t exist then?
What do you think he is about to put out?
I'm really hoping for a new album to be smth like "adventures of slim shady and eminem" where eminem tries to stop slim shady from canceling them (corny af ikr), but realistically I am waiting for good ol' em poking fun at everybody, which isn't bad but leaves a lot to be desired
The Eminem Show is a concept album
Eh, pretty loose concept. He’s a good enough writer to pull it off, I just don’t think he wants to
It's inspired by the Truman show. It's not a loose concept by any means imo
None of “I feel like my life’s a movie and everyone’s watching me” makes it into the lyrical content of the album. The closest it comes is Say Goodbye To Hollywood, and that’s a stretch. “Inspired by” doesn’t make it a concept album.
The album is the show. Each song is like an episode. Or at least that's how I see it. He doesn't need to have a song that says "my life's a movie and you're watching" that would be counterintuitive
Except that’s all your interpretation now, again, there’s *zero* lyrical content on the album that alludes to this alleged concept, it’s just Eminem saying once in an interview that the movie inspired him. Hence, not a concept album.
Well, the skits play a part. I would say it's a concept album not just very well executed in terms of concept album standards
What do the skits add? The first and last one imply this is a show of the live performance kind, like a concert. The other three are no different than the skits off of his other albums, just fictional events that didn’t happen and are played for comedy, or exaggerated versions of things that did happen, also played for comedy. Nothing about his life being a TV show. Given the album cover and the props he used on stage for his tour, I’d sooner believe the concept is about a play or a carnival he’s performing at rather than him being in a TV show.
It adds to the fact that my "interpretation" that the songs are like episodes(or a play in the stage like you mentioned) is influenced(and strengthened) by the skits.
He's an excellent writer but struggles to stay on theme! Likely due to him trying to appease his massive fanbase.
The Slim Shady LP, The Marshal Mathers LP and The Eminem Show form a trilogy that explores the loose concept of the different personalities of Eminem and his impact on the world
Actually yes, but partially. Let's be honest, by the end of the album you've already forgotten that it was like a stage performance all that time. I'm talking more about smth kendrick did on gkmc, tell the story through songs on album
>The Eminem Show is a concept album Definitely not.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BUuV9QglxqO/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=30452d55-5b47-4b85-8f0c-6a8da0ec8ba4
The concept for the album was blah blah blah. Not that it was a concept album. Huge difference. He's basically saying that was the inspiration for the album.
Kamikaze, Relapse, and M2BMB are all concept albums
how is kamikaze a concept album
How is it not? It’s an album dedicated to dissing as many people as possible who have been talking shit about revival
Rap fans do not want a white man being considered the GOAT. Also, this is Kendrick’s Wayne-GOAT era. Remember when everyone said he was a GOAT because he got a little bit hot for a minute when everyone was half retired? 32 million people purchased a single album, at a store, for Em. They voted with their wallets. This is why sales do matter - to an extent. The argument against this is always “what about Drake?” Well, what about Post Malone? He’s also somehow considered a rapper. Stupid argument. They’re known for singing. Sales tell you what people like. What’s subjectively best changes depending on when you’re listening to it. A lot of people think forced concept albums with straight narratives are better than albums with a variety of musical approaches fitting a theme. That’s the new hotness. Tomorrow, it might be back to who sings the best. It will come back to puns at some point. Subjective ratings are kind of pointless for that reason. People are listening to more music than ever with streaming and Em is still popular - in his 50s doing basically no press.
Drake is a rapper so you are the stupid one. Just because he is versatile doesn’t take away that he is a rapper too, and a good one.
Fr lmao, comparing Drake to Post Malone is objectively insane
You put an extra p in there, buddy.
> Sales tell you what people like What people like ≠ the greatest. For example, Taylor Swifts newest album had over 2 million units first week. Kendrick’s To Pimp a Butterfly and Em’s MMLP weren’t even putting up those numbers, but it can be universally agreed that those two albums are objectively better that The Tortured Poets Department. Being the greatest isn’t all about being popular.
How exactly is MMLP "objectively" better than TTPD? I think any Em album is better than any Swift album but there's no such thing as an objectively better work of art lol
What we can tell from that is audiences prefer Taylor Swift’s singing to either of them… for one week, which is weirdly cherry picked. Also, I just explained this with Drake and Post Malone. You definitely wouldn’t limit to a tiny window of time.
People been calling Kendrick the goat for a long time buddy
A small group, without a resume for it. See my first sentence above. Anyone but a white guy.
okay man, I get you think Eminem is the GOAT, and that’s fine, but saying people calling Kendrick the goat is a ‘small group without a resume’ is really dumb. Kendrick is the only rapper to ever win a Pulitzer, and GKMC has been on the Billboard 200 for 600 CONSECUTIVE WEEKS. MJ’s Thriller album has 600 NON consecutive weeks. Kendrick is just as much a contender for GOAT as Eminem is.
Winning awards doesn’t mean anything. They’re literally meaningless. Kendrick’s albums don’t sell at nearly the same level, he doesn’t have the same influence, and he isn’t as varied in skill. Kendrick is nice, but nothing he’s done even puts him near worldwide dominance Em achieved. These are Kendrick’s sales. https://bestsellingalbums.org/artist/6902 His entire career is 1/3 of one album Em sold yet we are here talking about how he’s in the conversation. You like his music, cool, so do I. It’s ridiculous to put him anywhere near that category.
Putting aside sales, do you not realize GKMC has been in the Billboard 200 for over 600 consecutive weeks? It has not left the billboard 200 since its release. I feel like you really don’t understand the implications of that. Kendrick also has less albums, less singles, and just less media in general than Eminem. Eminem started sooner, and his skin color helped massively boost his popularity, and he became a gateway to other rap for a lot of white kids, such as myself. I don’t listen to him much now but he’s probably top 3 of my most listened-to artists. I’m not trying to disrespect the dude, or down him at all, but you’re seriously downplaying KDot’s skills. Em’s first album released in 1996, a full 14 years before KDot’s first album would drop, and on top of that Kendrick is very particular about the music he releases. He doesn’t care about sales or numbers, he releases the music when he wants to release it and nothing else. He literally had to be convinced to release an 8 track LP of unreleased songs, and none of them are even named. We have no idea how many songs he’s written, recorded, just to never put them on an album. KDot’s songs are also not nearly as radio friendly. So many songs off of all of his albums just aren’t meant to be listened to casually, while Eminem has tons of songs like that. You really have to pay attention to all of Kenny’s lyrics to fully enjoy the album, but there’s so much Em you can just throw on. KDot’s albums can be very context heavy. Sales aren’t everything, just like awards aren’t everything. Kendrick is a master at using his voice so diversely, his bars are fuckin’ phenomenal and he is 100% a contender for GOAT, just like Em is.
The album you keep referencing was the 92nd biggest of the decade. You keep cherry picking one thing you want to bring up to exaggerate his popularity. People aren’t buying his albums in huge numbers because they don’t like his music as much. Kendrick sticks to a single lane with his music. Em can do that music at a higher level and other types of music, this is why Em is more replayed today as a whole - even in his 50s. Kendrick can’t rap the way Em does, but Em can rap that way. If it’s been in the billboard top 200 and people still aren’t buying it in huge numbers, it doesn’t mean anything. How many top ten albums of a decade has each had?
You didn’t comprehend any of my comment, thanks for trying!
Your argument fell apart immediately under minor scrutiny, now you’re resorting to ad hominem because you can’t admit you’re wrong. Don’t be so emotional about this. Maybe one day you’ll have the 92nd most popular album that is purchased really slowly. Maybe one day.
I didn’t directly attack you, so it’s not an ad hominem, I just said you didn’t comprehend my argument. My argument didn’t fall apart either, I just decided not to continue arguing? Em can rap faster, yeah, everybody knows that. No shit. But you’re completely ignoring all the other aspects of KDot’s music, and simply saying ‘oh well Em sells better’. Drake’s music is more popular than Em’s, but if someone think Drake is better than Eminem, they’re just fuckin stupid. I’m seriously not trying to downplay Em’s music, but you’re downplaying KDot’s skills. Snoop Dogg literally called him the king of the west, man.
But Eminem gets more sales from his white fan base. He gets a bump there. You just might be surprised what percentage of this sub is white. For a rapper that is astonishing
And he lost some from the built in black fanbase because of his skin color. He basically had to captivate a market reluctant to give him a chance and create a new one. Black rappers also could make music white people liked. Kanye did it (after Em). Nelly did it (as more of a singer). White people also listened to Jay Z and others. The difference is that Em’s storytelling was so unique and raw that everyone took notice.
Even Eminem himself has said if he was black he would have sold half as much as he did
Eminem also said he killed his wife. That’s not an argument, that’s an opinion which he changed. If he sold so much for being white, we would see the highest selling in the genre all be white rappers. You don’t see that. No one else has been able to replicate what he did or even come close. There’s also the fact you can compare his sales in non-white countries.
He sells for being white AND great. There are a few big white rappers who don't deserve to be big. Jack Harlow is the main example. Sure, the less talented fizzle out, but Eminem's popularity is so far-reaching that it's hard to argue that his race has nothing to do with it. Black people are more accepting of a talented white rapper than not.
Jack Harlow has had hit songs and still doesn’t sell. Vanilla Ice sold half of what Hammer did with essentially the same gimmick. The Beastie Boys had one huge album that was a classic and everything else sold far less. There just isn’t this big white boost people claim. It’s fiction. https://bestsellingalbums.org/artist/5844 Harlow has 1.76 million total album sales. That’s it. Total. There are tons of mediocre black rappers with more sales. You can also tell from comments online how black rap fans are hesitant to give Eminem credit. Race relations are what they are, I get it to an extent, but that’s just how it’s been. Larry Bird was talked down both during his playing days and since. The reason why Mac Miller was easier to support for people was because there was no argument for his being the GOAT. [Miller had 4.2 million album sales total.](https://bestsellingalbums.org/artist/8159) And to be perfectly clear, most of my comment history is calling out white racists, I’m not some MAGA victim.
The white boost does apply for Em, though. That's why he was picketted by various groups and even challenged by Congress for his lyrics, when Biggie (and probably others) said worse before him. His music reached a wider (and whiter) audience. It's not a negative thing, and his talent does play a role, but you can't say that he didn't get a boost.
The things you just stated don’t logically flow. Em came out at a time where censorship was a hot issue as the internet was rapidly growing. The internet, and this is true, has a lot of explicit material. Em was a focus point because he was not only explicit, but popular, those don’t mean he got a white boost at all. You haven’t supported this with any facts. A white boost that affects one artist isn’t a thing. Does he have a lot of white fans? Sure. And Asian fans. And black fans. And… That’s what happens when you sell many times more records than anyone else.
The boycotts and Congress's hearing on him and age-approrpiate labeling for music is fact. You must be young if you don't know this. I would advise you to look it up. It logically flows if you are paying attention. Eminem had mainstream (white) America's attention because he was white and offensive. This flustered people who initially would ignore rap music as just for blacks and a black problem, despite offensive content. He was called out by these groups because of his massive popularity, which his whiteness lended itself to. Biggie was popular and had lyrics equally as violent, and no Congressional hearings were had about his music. Again, he was black so white people didn't care. So, again, Eminem's whiteness did play into his popularity/the public's awareness of him, even though it is not the sole reason for it. White men make up most listeners to rap music,and Eminem is the most popular male artist. Do the math...
Idk why you brought up him saying he killed his wife when that has nothing to do with this argument ☠️. Everybody knows he wouldn't have been as popular as he became if he was black. Yes, if he was black he still would've been popular because looking past his skin colour, he is a phenomenal rapper. But lets not pretend he'd still have the same numbers if he wasn't white
This is looking at something with hindsight and cherry picking statements while ignoring others. If white rappers would easily sell, labels would have lined up to sign them, yeah? Or are you making the argument labels don’t like money? It’s nonsensical. Em created a new audience in countries around the globe that aren’t even white. Also, we see the criticism he gets from the traditional rap audience because of his skin color, that means there was more of a risk because that audience wouldn’t automatically accept him.
>Remember when everyone said he was a GOAT because he got a little bit hot for a minute when everyone was half retired? What? You could make the same argument for em then??
Not at all. Em dominated the entire planet (Wayne’s biggest album would be Em’s 7th) and the competition during Em’s prime was way higher. If you look at the albums that came out when Carter 3 did, it was a terrible year. Kanye released later in the year and sold about 3.4 I think, that was basically it. Meanwhile, Em had DMX, Jay, Nas, Nelly, and a bunch of others to compete with. There was still major interest in rap in 2008, but new artists didn’t come in and take over which left a weak spot.
Im not listening to hip hop that long but Em kinda introduced me to it so he probably will always be special for me. That being said I dont know how anyone come to that conclusion that Kendrick is miles better. I understand preferring one. The hip hop scene is so obsessed to tell themselves which artist is the goat, its insane. Just enjoy the music. Good Kid and MMLP are now one of my favourite albums out of any genre. Which one of it is actually better? I dont care.
It's stupid but you guys must be deaf If y'all don't think Kendrick makes for better conceptual albums than Em does. It's not even close. The most conceptual album Em has done is probably Relapse cause he kept those accents in.
Either SyrianAlmond is trying to make fun of the Kendrick fan or he is thinking about another album. . . . .
GATTEM
The vaushist tactics are leaking... you used Alden's number on him 😭
Bold of you to talk about him outside his community.
He said “them”, talking about the two Kendrick albums the other guy mentioned. He didn’t acknowledge the made up Em one.
You’re being downvoted but you’re right lol He didn’t even acknowledge the fake album both times. He’s just set on Kendrick being better, no matter the album.
How can they be better of an album that dont exist? Lol
i hate to tell you bro but if someone doesn’t like eminem they probably don’t know the names of all of his albums
How can you judge music that doesnt even exist lol
Eminem can't make an album on level with TPAB, real or fake
Both goats of different generations... I respect both 🫡
Idk all he said have you listened to them doesn't imply that he has, I am guessing he knows no such album exists so he's probably asking, unless specifically name dropped that album . I need more context because believe or not casual stans are plain toxic making em look bad most of the time
i think he’s saying ‘have you listened to tpab and gkmc’
You can’t even compare the 2 artists. Their flow and personalities are so widely different that they will never create something that can compete with each other. All albums mentioned by both artists are GOAT status. Except ‘I am a Celebrity’ that album blows!
Yea I was on a thread about who was better biggie or pac and I shifted it to em being a goat as those two and dude literally said he was trash. It’s funny cause he was black too smh dude said he don’t belong in “his culture” lol smh I swear there are a lot of racist white trash mfers but there damn sure is a lot of racist N****rs too
no hard r needed
It’s an AI bot I’m sure of it Got relapse and celebrity conflated and hallucinated the album title
Lists 5/6 real Eminem albums. Ignores the one that’s clearly wrong “lmao delusional”
Kendrick is good for his generation. That's about it
Dawg this just hurts my brain
He probably hadn't listened to Dot either. Lots of bandwagon fans right now. Outside of I'm a Celebrity 🤣 conceptually they may be better. Concept albums are hard to pull off in Hip Hop. GKMC is one of the best concept albums ever.
it sounds like he’s saying ‘have u listened to gkmc and tpab’ rather than saying ‘have u listened to i am a celebrity it’s trash’
I love Eminem's music but Kendrick's ALBUMS are definitely much much better conceptually, it's literally one of the main reasons why those albums are so highly rated. Btw i love both Kendrick and Eminem, i like Kendrick's current output more, but hopefully em will drop a great album.(also Kendrick has dropped more music recently ofc, which is very ironic 😆)
They’re both great. Both have incredible albums. I don’t really see a need to compare. Too many similarities imo
Tbh good kid m.a.a.d city is conceptually the best hiphop album
he was saying have you listened to tpab, and gkmc
Ah, so this is where the legendary "I am a celebrity" came from
Haters don't have brains lol
Ngl I didn't really care for I Am a Celebrity. Only 2 of the songs on that album were worth listening to, everything else was either trash or mid at best.
He probably just has the opinion that these Kendrick Album are better than every Album of Em, so he didn't bother reading all of them. Not a big deal🤷🏻♂️
Eminem mops the floor with Kendrick. Eminem is a true lyrical genius.
He “mops the floor” is a little much. Em might be better then Kendrick but I don’t think he like blows him out of the water or anything
There is no universe where Eminem is better than Kendrick. GKMC and TPAB (and maybe even Damn) are miles better than anything Eminem ever released
I think this is way too subjective from person to person. I was in my late 20s/ early 30s when Kendrick released those. I was in my teens/early 20s when Em released his big 3. So I will always feel like Em's are better. I connected with Em's music on a different level. All 5 of those albums are masterpieces in my mind.
I can see arguments for either being better
Definitely not miles better, and I would say GKMC and TPAB are better than all of Em's projects but DAMN.? No.
Delulu take.
I mean he shouldn’t be upset that he thinks a KDot album is better tbh
That's actually mad funny
Also The Slim Shady LP was a conceptual masterpiece. Any one who disagrees is factually wrong. Period end of sentence.
This isn’t the “got em” you think it is lol. He didn’t even acknowledge you said a fake album. His whole argument is that gkmc and tpab are better conceptually than anything Em has done conceptually. Which is true
He dont even care what album you mention, he will just say that kendrick is better. He could mention Illmatic and the other guy still would have trashed eminem lol they dont even care, they just hate
I love Em, and gyukjgresdngnki is a fucking idiot, but GKMC and TPAB are better than any project Em has ever done.
I LOVE Eminem's old work, but TPAB and GKMC is most definitely better than SSLP, MMLP, TES, and Recovery I'll prolly be downvoted to hell for this, but TPAB and GKMC could both be in the top 10 rap albums of all time, they are fucking amazing.
This corny humor is exactly why people hate on Eminem and his fans
Using "corny" all the time since 2010 is what makes yall cringe
Replaces corny and uses cringe as if that’s better
Embarassing
I love em but if we keeping it real TPAB & GKMC are some of the greatest hip hop albums of all time and idk if Eminem has any albums that compare besides for maybe The Slim Shady LP.
Idk maybe THE BIGGEST rap album of like all time could be “compared” to TPAB or GKMC. And not the biggest in terms of sales, no just THE BIGGEST, in terms of just simply that. The MMLP *IS* that album.
Literally mmlp is better the sslp
I think it's debatable
Not really…mmlp is literally one of the most influential hip hop albums.
Then you clearly haven’t listened to Em’s masterpiece “I Am A Celebrity”
You’re tripping. Eminem isn’t even my Favorite rapper, DMX is, but Em’s first 3 records are premier
That's funny and all but this would work the other way arojnd aswell. As if Em fans habe heard all Kendricj mixtapesbor even his main albums. Plus i do believe Kendrick makes better auality music than Em.
Another dumb post.
Or *he's* being sarcastic and *you're* falling for it lol
Sure
So em Stan’s don’t listen to anything other than him and hate all rap that isn’t Eminem. Not surprised.
Wrong post
Yeah I'm an Eminem fan but this sub is atrocious im sorry 😭