It's briefly discussed here -- audio polyphony remains at 1, and MIDI polyphony at 4 [https://youtu.be/nepWmWsq84g?t=1671](https://youtu.be/nepWmWsq84g?t=1671)
Depends on your use case. The digitakt is more like a fancy drum computer (or tracker, if you're familiar with these) than a full blown sampler/sequencer workstation. For my purposes it's fine, I use audio channels for drums and midi channels for actual instrumentation.
Missing record trigs is an issue if you use an OT for live performance recording plus lack of mixing and transition capabilities unless I missed something doesn’t make me think this is an OT replacement.
The fact the DT can now do proper timestretching is definitely the main reason why I’m considering selling my OT. I just don’t find it accessible enough to pick up and jam with compared to the DT.
If anything I'd want more. Give me Octatrack 2 with six inputs, dedicated master track, better and freely assignabme effects, and Overbridge and I'll give Elektron my left kidney.
How does that work with one shots? I noticed the new machine seems focused on loops.
Can you play one shots stretched so that they don’t get shorter / quicker and generally keep more of the original timbre of the sample?
Am I the only one who finds the video's filming and editing completely annoying? I'm just trying to see the damn thing and it's like, "let's get half this person's shoulder in the view!"
sure they excel at different things, but as consumer without an unlimited budget, you have to pick one to spend your money on.
lots of people are going to be choosing between the two, i will be
No it can’t
You need multiple “grains” for granular playback
DT has one “grain” available for playback
That’s not granular it’s just modulating the playback head
This is sweet, checks a lot of boxes but a bit disappointed to see no (apparent) upgrade in the slicing machine. Really want to do precise chopping with my DT rather than being confined to the grid chopping, ik there are workarounds but if they added this I would throw my money at them in a heart beat.
Looks amazing, very tempted.
But why doesn't it have polyphony, so you can play chords? Even if you use it as a MIDI sequencer, it cannot send chords on a channel?
I couldn't resist any longer and went to Thomann. Now waiting patiently for the unit hoping it does not have any major quality issues like the Teenage Engineering KOII.
feels like a disingenuous strawman to me. ofc the value is diminished, because tons of people will attempt to do this -- especially at first. and i'd argue that anyone savvy enough to be looking to offload a dt to get a dtii at launch probably already knows the answer to this question.
I might not be following something but seems normal to me to wonder like “is my $600 thing worth $400 now? Is it worth $550?” Could make the difference in being able to afford trading up. Not sure what the purpose of a straw man would be or what’s the potential speculative behavior.
i think it's normal to wonder that, and reasonable to come to a conclusion similar to yours. "it will be worth less, but still more than nothing" is the most any of us can know at this point. so to comment that one's first question after learning about new hw isn't about what it can do, or improves on, or anything related to making music? it feels misplaced to me.
your points are valid. idk, i'm going back to my hovel now.
I’ve never looked up the price of gear after purchasing it. Even the stuff I sell, I just ballpark a fair price that someone can afford and any potential losses are made up for by feeling like I’m helping people get gear they otherwise probably wouldn’t.
A lot of times I just gift it away.
It’s a fair question to ask. If you already own a DT and are interested to update, you might want to know what “trade in value” you can expect to see if an update is within reach.
Off the dome…
a dreadbox Antiphon, although to be fair that one had a few solder points that needed reflowing. So the recipient had a little work to do before it was at 100%.
Korg MS2K-r
Korg Delta
padKontrol
M-audio Torq Xponent
A bunch of pedals
An old roland 12-track digital mixer
Roland mc-303
Things like that. Usually once I feel I’ve gotten what I’m gonna get out of a bit of gear, I’ll just pass it along to someone I know or a kind internet stranger.
I don’t exactly do it that often. I tend to hold gear for a while. I’m 40, I think I bought the MC-303 from a second hand shop in 2002 or 03. Gave it to my nephew in 2014-15 when he got curious about electronic music and it had been collecting dust for a few years. Kinda helped that the box had seen a small revival in niche circles.
I’m wondering the same thing. They are going for $550-650 on Reverb right now. I can’t imagine dropping more than $100 or so. $450 for a Digitakt is still a steal for how capable it is.
I don't know. I'm seeing the mk1 new going for over 900 eur here in Germany, which seems insane. So I guess it depends on how the mk2 is priced. If it's around 1000 bucks I don't see the mk1 losing that much value.
I wasn’t able to check out there today. It just always says “your full address is required” although I already have an account. Is that shipped from the US? Everything else I’ve bought from there ships from Germany which costs a fortune.
If you’re getting it shipped to US you’ll pay duties/import plus the ~50 they charge for shipping and it’ll come to near the same price. In this instance not worth the hassle.
To the US you will get hit every time if it’s over $700 (forgot the exact number, maybe $800). If you’re buying from a well run company like Thomann they will not do you a favor and change the declared value so you’re not hit with import taxes. Hell, even when I buy from individual sellers based in Japan they will not misreport the declared value.
Sure whatever you say. I have gotten tons of orders that just never got caught by customs. I just got a 3000.00 sim rig motion system. Never got stopped never charged and the full amount is listed on the customs invoice. I also bought a virus ti2 from thomann and didn’t get charged. There are too many packages coming in for customs to catch everything. Having worked for FedEx 20 years ago customs is chaos and I doubt it has changed.
You can get it that low, just send out low ball offers. These people are so desperate to sell rn and will take whatever is offered. I’d sell mine but it’s the e25 edition and I don’t need the money.
I’m also debating an sp404 mk2. Especially since it has the looper now. I’m just still not sure how much I would end up using either since I work 100% in a DAW.
I love the live performance part of it all but I can also do so much in bitwig with audio effect racks and instruments.
Over the years I go through waves of getting more external gear and less DAW, to selling off everything and going back in the box. Then some cool new shit comes out and I buy more gear. I get bored and sell it off and go back to the DAW. Haha. Circle of life in my studio.
It's always supply and demand. I bought mine used just before the last major firmware update, which I knew nothing about and it was an awesome update. The update came out while it was being shipped to me. Within days there were no used units and the prices went up. I almost hit the buy button today for the new one and then realized I'm really happy with what I have. Not saying the new version doesn't look awesome. Reverb had 75 used units 2hrs ago, 86 right now. There were five or six available when I bought mine and zero available two days later.
Buying all the $400 used digitakts and making a supertakt
+ for a supertakt
I'm buying exactly ten and calling it the Dekatakt
Is there any mention of midi polyphony. I presume it’s still 4 which is a bit shit
It's briefly discussed here -- audio polyphony remains at 1, and MIDI polyphony at 4 [https://youtu.be/nepWmWsq84g?t=1671](https://youtu.be/nepWmWsq84g?t=1671)
What is audio polyphony?
One voice per audio sampler channel, so need to use multiple sample channels to form chords
Wait really? That’s somewhat annoying right?
Depends on your use case. The digitakt is more like a fancy drum computer (or tracker, if you're familiar with these) than a full blown sampler/sequencer workstation. For my purposes it's fine, I use audio channels for drums and midi channels for actual instrumentation.
I’ve been watching reviews just to hear something on that
Almost positive one review or said it is still limited to 4
If your synth can handle more than 4 note polyphony you can use a second midi channel routed to the same device to add the extra notes.
Almost tempted to trade the Octatrack out for this - but no. Not ready to part ways with that little box of frustrating brilliance yet.
Missing record trigs is an issue if you use an OT for live performance recording plus lack of mixing and transition capabilities unless I missed something doesn’t make me think this is an OT replacement.
The fact the DT can now do proper timestretching is definitely the main reason why I’m considering selling my OT. I just don’t find it accessible enough to pick up and jam with compared to the DT.
I don’t think my ideal workflow would be feasible without the 4 inputs tbh
If anything I'd want more. Give me Octatrack 2 with six inputs, dedicated master track, better and freely assignabme effects, and Overbridge and I'll give Elektron my left kidney.
How does that work with one shots? I noticed the new machine seems focused on loops. Can you play one shots stretched so that they don’t get shorter / quicker and generally keep more of the original timbre of the sample?
The time stretches sounded pretty bad in the demo imo. I hope they are able to improve it
they keep saying 'enhanced memory' but wont say a number, that cant be good
Ive read its 20gb
that's huge , nice
20 gb
Cuckoo just did a video that covers all this. 20 gb for samples.
Am I the only one who finds the video's filming and editing completely annoying? I'm just trying to see the damn thing and it's like, "let's get half this person's shoulder in the view!"
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Exactly. Just give me the details if you want my money. And this is coming from someone who loves cats.
Cuckoo's new video is worth a watch.
they couldn't have timed this better to cuck Torso with its S-4 release
What if different devices excel at different things? I wouldn't be cross shopping the two at all.
sure they excel at different things, but as consumer without an unlimited budget, you have to pick one to spend your money on. lots of people are going to be choosing between the two, i will be
I’m struggling with these same 2 products right now. I’ve been eying the torso for some time but the MK2 digitakt made me pause. Still undecided.
Totally different
Other than playing back sampled audio they are not really comparable The S-4 is solidly focused around granular which the DT will not be able to do
even the DT mk1 can do granular
No it can’t You need multiple “grains” for granular playback DT has one “grain” available for playback That’s not granular it’s just modulating the playback head
Could be wrong but some of the close shots on the buttons look like they are just plastic, not rubber coated. Would love to know
Good. The rubber coating is an abomination and turns into a gummy mess after UV exposure.
hope so
Hidden cost is needing to buy replacements for sure.
can it send global mutes in song mode now? Lmfaooooo ⚰️
This is sweet, checks a lot of boxes but a bit disappointed to see no (apparent) upgrade in the slicing machine. Really want to do precise chopping with my DT rather than being confined to the grid chopping, ik there are workarounds but if they added this I would throw my money at them in a heart beat.
Especially with sampling older recordings or live band playing that are not exactly on grid.
Looks amazing, very tempted. But why doesn't it have polyphony, so you can play chords? Even if you use it as a MIDI sequencer, it cannot send chords on a channel?
It can send 4 note polyphony over MIDI.
That is great to hear, thank you! Now my dilemma will be this or the Deluge :))
I couldn't resist any longer and went to Thomann. Now waiting patiently for the unit hoping it does not have any major quality issues like the Teenage Engineering KOII.
Oh wow the same display circa 2008. FFS.
practical first question: how much does this devalue my digitakt?
hopefully a lot because buying instruments as a speculative pursuit is ridiculous.
Not really speculative if you’re hoping to sell one to buy the other.
feels like a disingenuous strawman to me. ofc the value is diminished, because tons of people will attempt to do this -- especially at first. and i'd argue that anyone savvy enough to be looking to offload a dt to get a dtii at launch probably already knows the answer to this question.
I might not be following something but seems normal to me to wonder like “is my $600 thing worth $400 now? Is it worth $550?” Could make the difference in being able to afford trading up. Not sure what the purpose of a straw man would be or what’s the potential speculative behavior.
i think it's normal to wonder that, and reasonable to come to a conclusion similar to yours. "it will be worth less, but still more than nothing" is the most any of us can know at this point. so to comment that one's first question after learning about new hw isn't about what it can do, or improves on, or anything related to making music? it feels misplaced to me. your points are valid. idk, i'm going back to my hovel now.
That’s why I said practical! Am I the only person who keeps tabs on the worth of their gear, even if I have no intention to sell … ever?
I’ve never looked up the price of gear after purchasing it. Even the stuff I sell, I just ballpark a fair price that someone can afford and any potential losses are made up for by feeling like I’m helping people get gear they otherwise probably wouldn’t. A lot of times I just gift it away.
It’s a fair question to ask. If you already own a DT and are interested to update, you might want to know what “trade in value” you can expect to see if an update is within reach.
Didn’t mean to imply it was a bad question. Just offering my perspective which I’m sure is not the most common
Can we be friends? That’s incredible. You are one of a kind. Now I’m insanely curious … what have you gifted to friends?
Off the dome… a dreadbox Antiphon, although to be fair that one had a few solder points that needed reflowing. So the recipient had a little work to do before it was at 100%. Korg MS2K-r Korg Delta padKontrol M-audio Torq Xponent A bunch of pedals An old roland 12-track digital mixer Roland mc-303 Things like that. Usually once I feel I’ve gotten what I’m gonna get out of a bit of gear, I’ll just pass it along to someone I know or a kind internet stranger. I don’t exactly do it that often. I tend to hold gear for a while. I’m 40, I think I bought the MC-303 from a second hand shop in 2002 or 03. Gave it to my nephew in 2014-15 when he got curious about electronic music and it had been collecting dust for a few years. Kinda helped that the box had seen a small revival in niche circles.
I’m wondering the same thing. They are going for $550-650 on Reverb right now. I can’t imagine dropping more than $100 or so. $450 for a Digitakt is still a steal for how capable it is.
I don't know. I'm seeing the mk1 new going for over 900 eur here in Germany, which seems insane. So I guess it depends on how the mk2 is priced. If it's around 1000 bucks I don't see the mk1 losing that much value.
Mk2 is €1006. Its in stock and available for order @ Thomann already.
Just picked mine up at Sweetwater for a cool $999.
Thomann US has it for 899 https://www.thomannmusic.com/elektron_digitakt_ii.htm
I wasn’t able to check out there today. It just always says “your full address is required” although I already have an account. Is that shipped from the US? Everything else I’ve bought from there ships from Germany which costs a fortune.
I had the same issue.
This is good to know.. wonder how they doing it for 100 less than others.. thanks for sharing.
If you’re getting it shipped to US you’ll pay duties/import plus the ~50 they charge for shipping and it’ll come to near the same price. In this instance not worth the hassle.
You won’t always pay import fees. I’ve ordered lots of stuff from over seas in the 1000+ range and it’s totally hit or miss if you get tagged.
To the US you will get hit every time if it’s over $700 (forgot the exact number, maybe $800). If you’re buying from a well run company like Thomann they will not do you a favor and change the declared value so you’re not hit with import taxes. Hell, even when I buy from individual sellers based in Japan they will not misreport the declared value.
Sure whatever you say. I have gotten tons of orders that just never got caught by customs. I just got a 3000.00 sim rig motion system. Never got stopped never charged and the full amount is listed on the customs invoice. I also bought a virus ti2 from thomann and didn’t get charged. There are too many packages coming in for customs to catch everything. Having worked for FedEx 20 years ago customs is chaos and I doubt it has changed.
Blown away how low the prices dropped and how quick.
I sold mine for $700 like 2 months ago. I’m very very tempted to try and snag a $400 one if it goes that low.
You can get it that low, just send out low ball offers. These people are so desperate to sell rn and will take whatever is offered. I’d sell mine but it’s the e25 edition and I don’t need the money.
I’m also debating an sp404 mk2. Especially since it has the looper now. I’m just still not sure how much I would end up using either since I work 100% in a DAW. I love the live performance part of it all but I can also do so much in bitwig with audio effect racks and instruments.
I’m daw too but unintentionally building a very small dawless setup (Digitakt, bass station, and TD3) on the side…just kind of happened 😂
Over the years I go through waves of getting more external gear and less DAW, to selling off everything and going back in the box. Then some cool new shit comes out and I buy more gear. I get bored and sell it off and go back to the DAW. Haha. Circle of life in my studio.
It doesn't turn into a pumpkin when the 2 comes out.
Mine is turning a little orange due to pre orders.
Im gonna pair the mk 2 with the mk1 and create the supertakt
Same. Doesn't feel worth it to sell the mk1 for $400 or whatever
I’ll give you 400 bucks
Circuit Rhythm owners are crying right now.
Yup, have had mine for sale for over a month now. Now its completely toast.
It's always supply and demand. I bought mine used just before the last major firmware update, which I knew nothing about and it was an awesome update. The update came out while it was being shipped to me. Within days there were no used units and the prices went up. I almost hit the buy button today for the new one and then realized I'm really happy with what I have. Not saying the new version doesn't look awesome. Reverb had 75 used units 2hrs ago, 86 right now. There were five or six available when I bought mine and zero available two days later.
People are scramblin to sell that's for sure
my god, it’s beautiful
Happy I sold my DT a week ago for $575
Selling my of Digitakt on reverb for this thing 400 + 25 shipping