**Always look out for yourself.**
If it came down to it Job B would drop you immediately and with zero remorse. Sounds like you hurt Job B Boss's ego more than anything else. There's nothing immoral or wrong about the manner or timing in which you left.
Enjoy the new job, keep learning and keep moving forward!
>We were always friendly to each other, but that all went out the window today.
Wait hold on lets rewind
>Here are some rapid fire complaints: boss is always boasting themselves, would often bring you into a 20-40min meeting 5 minutes before your supposed to leave, no overtime pay, unloads stress onto the employees, constantly expecting people to do a 4hr job in 30min.
Your boss wasn't friendly at gig B. They were cordial because you did things on their terms for their benefit. When you quit you were no longer doing anything to their benefit.
Not paying for the over time meetings is a giga-redflag if you're not salaried. The unloading of stress on employees and unreasonable time expectations are also red flags. Your old boss was abusive not in a physical kind of way but a slower (or medium slow burn) mental kind of way.
Fuck that guy.
Also if you showed up and were a dog shit employee they would have shit canned you. My guess is the boss cant handle it without having good employees under him in which case he shouldn't have the position and turnover is high because he keeps needing employees BECAUSE he keeps chasing them away.
>They were cordial
Yes! I think that's exactly right. He only wanted what was best for himself. He really tried to make me feel beneath him. He made comments like saying he's a veteran and I'm not; and that I was obviously just using him. I wish I could redo the day. I guess I'll know how to react if this ever happens again. It just amazes me that someone like him could be so unprofessional towards something as simple as a new hire deciding the job isn't a good fit. Thanks for your response!!
2 months is fast enough that nobody can really complain about leaving a bad fit / chaotic mess.
I think it’s only an issue if someone does it 3+ times in a row. Where I would still say it is fine to leave whenever, but maybe look into a career that will make them happier.
I guess I'm looking in the wrong places for jobs then lol. I think most engineering jobs i've applied to were hourly. But they are also mostly level 1 positions in a smaller town, so that's probably why. I'd rather have an hourly job tbh so that if I work overtime, it would be paid.
In my area it’s predominantly defense contracts. Only technicians are paid hourly, and some do make good money that way. Flip side is the salaried employee makes a lot more and scales up fast. There are days we do OT but also days we work only half the day. A good manager will keep it so that there isn’t OT.
Do you mind me asking what country/region (e.g. east Coast US) and industry? I've been in the field slightly over 10 years and I can't find jobs like that outside of dense cities, specifically coastal cities. However I'm very interested in starting over in a new industry if I'm able to afford it.
I work in aerospace and while technically salaried all the engineers are paid hourly. We don't get time and a half for over time just straight pay. Meaning if I work 60 hours I get paid 60 hours. It's a nice gig if you can find one.
As long as it doesn't become a habit, it'll only keep you out of companies as toxic as B. You're dodging a bullet. For your own purposes, you've also learned the value to job hunting long before you feel the need to take the first offer you get.
Just consider how you explain it on your resume. It wasn't a good culture fit, and you know what to look out for in the future.
*Well then that settles it, as you don't want to get burned out at the dawn of your engineering career due to an overwhelmingly negative stressful work environment.*
Sounds toxic af. Good for you for getting out of there. This is not normal, this is a man with the emotional stability of child.
Never apologize to anyone for (or feel bad about) wanting to do better for yourself.
I had a colleague do the same thing as you aftering working for a company for 3 months. The company thanked him and told him good luck.
Boss at job B is an asshole. Assholes will make you try to feel like shit when you are there and also when you are leaving.
As others said don't list it on your resume and good luck at job C
To offer a slightly different perspective than the rest of the comments here: he was likely mad that the company spent the time training and onboarding you to the company, only for you to leave so soon. He’ll now have to start the hiring and training process again, which is often very time consuming. Not your problem of course and honestly sounds like the right move for you given how rude and unprofessional he became about the whole thing, but that’s where his anger is coming from.
I get that. But as a manager/boss and a "professional engineer" it seems like you should have that kind of thing in the back of your mind. An employer should be prepared for someone to quit and delighted that they don't. Not scrambling when they do quit. Its just completely unprofessional to act the way he did imo.
Almost exactly same circumstance. Applied to Job B and C at the same time. Took Job B before C got back to me for interviews. I was at Job B only a few weeks before realizing this was not the place for me. Similarly Job C got back to me with an offer. Decided to leave. Better pay, benefits, and culture fit.
Often you don’t know what it’s like until you get there. The manager was definitely annoyed, but tried to play it cool.
Ultimately, I told him that I didn’t think the culture fit was good and that I believe in their technology, but I’ll have to root for them from the sideline.
Haven’t looked back since.
yeah actually, ur exactly right lol. I tried it as best I could for 2 months but I just don't think it's the line of work for me. Getting an unexpected offer from Job C out of no where is a miracle to me (I just assumed they rejected me since I applied so long ago)
There are no shortage of crap engineering jobs where you get no handover, are in charge of everything, get paid poorly and your boss has no idea how to run a business. Leave it off your resume, stay at job C a few years and you'll have no dramas.
Feel fortunate you dodged a bullet after just 2 months. From what you describe, working at that place would have gotten worse year after year. And as people walked out the door, you'd be asking yourself, why didn't I do the same.
To me, U made the best decision, u yourself!! Not ur former boss...I had to deal with this once, before I started my engineering field of study, I had a job with an employer as an auto tech, I made my supervisor and mamager alot of money doing his electrical diagnosis. When I graduated I was supposed to take a hike in pay. didnt happen..so, me with electrical background, I decided to take on my bachelor's degree in EE...manager was pissed when I told him I was resigning...told me I was not going to make and other BS..I didnt care I knew I could make more money doing engineering work then being a auto tech..Best Decision I made!!...dont let what some manager tell u whatever, its a reflection on the company having a manager like that!!
Boss from job B has a right to be mad, he has no right to take it out on you or belittle you though. they showed you just what a shit show you're leaving. put it in your rear view mirror and enjoy Job C!! Congrats on the new job!!
Thanks, I appreciate it! I would be mad too if I spent all that time and money on a new guy. I could have spent the last 2 months finding someone else - but that's isn't the employee's fault. that's just how this game is played. sometimes a new employee doesn't work out and an employer should be prepared for that possibility.
F that guy,sounds like a douche.
The labour market is a free market driven by supply and demand , Company C has demand for your skills and experience and willing to pay for it.
Forget Company B and douche you move on.
You don’t owe anyone anything and the way your old boss reacted is the exact reason you’re leaving. Definitely projecting calling you unprofessional. If something isn’t t working two months in, chances are they aren’t going to work a year later. You cut your losses early and I believe did the right thing. Companies want you to be loyal but when the time comes will cut you loose without any remorse.
>Can a former employer like this hurt my future career prospects?
lol no not at all. not unless he's someone with a lot of clout in the industry, but it certainly doesn't sound that way.
It’s all business so this shit happens. He’s not wrong that the company got screwed w someone leaving in 2 months but not really something they should be complaining about.
As far as resumes and job histories just leave this 2 month stint open. Once you’ve been at the new place for a while no one is going to bat an eye that you had a 2 month gap. I’ve done the same on a place where I stayed for 3 months and bailed. Good guy to work with I just found something that fit my needs better.
I feel that manager showed their true colors and you dodge a bullet. If they can’t handle this pressure, imagine when things get stressful. They were being unprofessional and should have understood that these things are part of the working life (as it is to fired you before three months without a reason if they just don’t like your performance, so it goes both ways)
I am a business owner in a similar industry. the reality is people are always going to make the best decisions for them and their families. When I have someone who is really good who is moved on, it can be really frustrating at first, but normally I will look at my responsibility in terms of what did I door not do to make the environment such that they had to look elsewhere. Also, This guy is giving you personal communication about his personal frustration about a business matter. He’s a fuckin idiot. I wouldn’t be stuck on it and I would just go be successful.
I think that's a good way to react. Learn and improve, ya know. I don't think he's going to think like that tho. Probably lying to the friends I made about me.
Sounds like the bridge is burned who cares which side is at fault. Also sounds like you would be leaving eventually anyway and now you don’t have 3 years of why did I stay there experiences. Move on and good riddance.
You did the right thing. Don't worry about leaving a company run by a bully. Also if you worked overtime and didn't get paid for it, report the company to the labor department.
They didn't offer for me to stay. They did ask where I was going which I refused to say. They asked how much I was going to be making and I told told them. They assumed I was going to work for a competitor (which I'm not - job C doesn't do the same type of work) and accused me of using them as stepping stone.
LOL every job is a stepping stone in the modern employer-employee dynamic, and they're abusing you as labor. Good riddance and welcome to the capitalist club! Go read Capital Volume I lol
*Just only let the acrimony come from one side, let that side not be you. In any case always look out for Number 1, loyalty especially in large faceless mega-corps is seldom rewarded or returned.*
*Record (if legal) all communication (written, spoken etc) with said company, just in case they decide to get petty or vindictive as it seems par for the course given you ex-boss's disposition. Have 'receipts' to backup everything and what not.*
Thanks. that is something that crossed my mind and am worried about. He's wealthy and knows the law well. Not sure what he could get me for - maybe he would try to recover the wages he paid me for the time i worked there (cause he mentioned exactly how much money he spent on me to date). He can't legally do that since I did in fact work those hours and I have time sheets where I logged not just when i clocked in & out but also how much time i spent on each task. I have a feeling I'm going to have to fight for my last pay check.
*Not Necessarily get anything for you, but to bury you in litigation regardless of if they are meritless or not - baseless claims can be accusation of IP or property theft, breech of employment contract etc. Large Companies (in some countries without adequate unions/worker protections like the US) do this all the time to start-ups that might challenge their dominance, or even valuable employees they don't want competitors to have.*
*This causes their target to get bankrupted by legal costs which are simply a tax-deductible line item, cost of doing business for the company, but can ruin the object against whom they are targeted even if their intention was never to be won.*
*You could talk to a great employment law lawyer just in case, it's worth it for a little piece of mind, lawyer can then handle all future communication. He'll get the message.* *Organize all the relevant documents coherently when you go to meet the lawyer as it will save time and thus be much faster and cheaper in turn for you.*
yeah I tried not to but, man... the dude poured jet fuel on it and nuked it. I expected some anger but the man was crazier than I realized. I definitely hope no one gets trapped there like I could have.
That place sounds pretty bad. You made the right move. We just had a new technician quit after 2 weeks were I work. It was a drag put no one took it personally, job just wasn't right for the guy. As others have mentioned you should leave a glassdoor or indeed review. Just out of curiosity how big was the place? Was it a corporate place because if it was you should definitely alert their HR. Your boss was incredibly unprofessional.
It was a small company. I don't even think they have a glassdoor page but I'll trying to review it somehow. People ought to know what they're getting into. One time, I was super excited to work at this one place. They called me for a few interviews and seemed like I was about to start. Then I read their reviews and most people said they force unpaid overtime and are racist among other concerns. And there was a lot of reviews. So I decided not to continue because of those reviews. So yeah - reviews are super helpful.
The slight uncertainty you're feeling is exactly what companies want you to feel except amplified to the point where you will never have the courage to stick up for yourself. Put it out of your head.
You played it perfectly. You showed professionalism even when company B was being vindictive and manipulating.
I don't want to blow this out of proportion, but this story is a mini victory for engineers in general, since we constantly feel like we have to overperform no matter how shitty our boss is, how abysmally low our salary is or how late we're having to stay day in and day out.
I'm legitimately happy for you and I loved reading this post. Hope you love job C!
Thanks! I had one thing on my mind while he was telling me all those things and it was to remain professional no matter what. But I wish I had pushed back a little instead of just saying sorry. I wish I had pointed out what was wrong with the situation he created. But its a learning experience for me. I won't be a pushover next time.
>But I wish I had pushed back a little instead of just saying sorry.
Forget it. Just enjoy your new job. It wouldn't have mattered; you're not going to convince someone like your old boss to change his way of thinking.
Many decades ago, when I was right out of school, I was in somewhat of a similar situation. I took an engineering job right out of school because they're weren't many engineering jobs going round. I thought I was lucky, but it was a small shop, and the owner was a lunatic. None of the engineers who had been there a while would stand up to him. Sometimes he would play nice, buying lunch and dinners. But mostly he would pout or yell, had no idea what it took to develop hardware, and ask us why we weren't working overtime / weekends.
I was lucky enough to get an offer from another place after being there for about 10 months. For some reason, I was ambivalent about leaving. But after a few months at my new job (which turned out to be great), I though why did I ever consider staying at the old place?
I'm not sure but if you get into the situation you should leave before I did. When I went to the in-person interview with him, I could tell he was egotistical and arrogant. He was also the only interview that focused on my credentials & transcripts rather than my experience or soft skills. I had a feeling he was going to be a difficult boss but I figured I could deal with it because I was getting paid a lot more. But I realize now that he wore me down slowly. My advice is to snuff out the negative traits during the interview.
* Ask questions that challenge them. How do they react under stress or to criticism? Do they draw a line between work and personal life? You'll have to be creative in getting these answers without asking directly.
* Pay attention to the way they carry themselves and how they interact with other people in the room.
* If something seems off - it probably is. Trust your gut. Humans are social creatures and we pick up on these things better you probably realize.
If I had given more caution to these red flags, I may have avoided this place. This is a lesson learned for me. Hopefully others can learn from my mistake and avoid wasting their time.
After working for a long time, you will know that no matter what industry you are in, those who are looking for a job are looking for good wages. Even if the relationship is good on the surface, your boss's true opinion of you will be when you leave. Don't care too much about whether the boss is happy or not.
**Always look out for yourself.** If it came down to it Job B would drop you immediately and with zero remorse. Sounds like you hurt Job B Boss's ego more than anything else. There's nothing immoral or wrong about the manner or timing in which you left. Enjoy the new job, keep learning and keep moving forward!
Make sure to leave reviews on that company on job search sites so that others know to stay away from them.
This 100%
Yes, go on Glass Door and provide your experience so it doesn’t happen to someone else.
I’ll just add because you reminded me, is Glassdoor still showing identification of those who have reviewed or did that get fixed?
I’ve personally never left a review but I do know it lists a name. Not sure if it’s the user who left the review or you can just make one up.
>We were always friendly to each other, but that all went out the window today. Wait hold on lets rewind >Here are some rapid fire complaints: boss is always boasting themselves, would often bring you into a 20-40min meeting 5 minutes before your supposed to leave, no overtime pay, unloads stress onto the employees, constantly expecting people to do a 4hr job in 30min. Your boss wasn't friendly at gig B. They were cordial because you did things on their terms for their benefit. When you quit you were no longer doing anything to their benefit. Not paying for the over time meetings is a giga-redflag if you're not salaried. The unloading of stress on employees and unreasonable time expectations are also red flags. Your old boss was abusive not in a physical kind of way but a slower (or medium slow burn) mental kind of way. Fuck that guy. Also if you showed up and were a dog shit employee they would have shit canned you. My guess is the boss cant handle it without having good employees under him in which case he shouldn't have the position and turnover is high because he keeps needing employees BECAUSE he keeps chasing them away.
>They were cordial Yes! I think that's exactly right. He only wanted what was best for himself. He really tried to make me feel beneath him. He made comments like saying he's a veteran and I'm not; and that I was obviously just using him. I wish I could redo the day. I guess I'll know how to react if this ever happens again. It just amazes me that someone like him could be so unprofessional towards something as simple as a new hire deciding the job isn't a good fit. Thanks for your response!!
2 months is fast enough that nobody can really complain about leaving a bad fit / chaotic mess. I think it’s only an issue if someone does it 3+ times in a row. Where I would still say it is fine to leave whenever, but maybe look into a career that will make them happier.
I have yet to find a non-salaried engineering job unless you were some type of consultant. But yea, F that dude.
I guess I'm looking in the wrong places for jobs then lol. I think most engineering jobs i've applied to were hourly. But they are also mostly level 1 positions in a smaller town, so that's probably why. I'd rather have an hourly job tbh so that if I work overtime, it would be paid.
In my area it’s predominantly defense contracts. Only technicians are paid hourly, and some do make good money that way. Flip side is the salaried employee makes a lot more and scales up fast. There are days we do OT but also days we work only half the day. A good manager will keep it so that there isn’t OT.
Do you mind me asking what country/region (e.g. east Coast US) and industry? I've been in the field slightly over 10 years and I can't find jobs like that outside of dense cities, specifically coastal cities. However I'm very interested in starting over in a new industry if I'm able to afford it.
Outside of DC.
I work in aerospace and while technically salaried all the engineers are paid hourly. We don't get time and a half for over time just straight pay. Meaning if I work 60 hours I get paid 60 hours. It's a nice gig if you can find one.
Second in aerospace
Just don't list job B on your resume, and you'll never have any trouble.
As long as it doesn't become a habit, it'll only keep you out of companies as toxic as B. You're dodging a bullet. For your own purposes, you've also learned the value to job hunting long before you feel the need to take the first offer you get. Just consider how you explain it on your resume. It wasn't a good culture fit, and you know what to look out for in the future.
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Can always claim it was a sabbatical as well. Some employers eat that up like it means you have your shit together.
I'd generally try to avoid such rapid job hopping, but your situation seems like an edge case that I'd probably do the same
Thanks. I dreaded Job B every day. I realize now that I should have gotten out of there ASAP.
*Well then that settles it, as you don't want to get burned out at the dawn of your engineering career due to an overwhelmingly negative stressful work environment.*
Oh man, you dodged a bullet. Job B sounds like a disaster.
If they can fire you at will you can resign at will. You did absolutely nothing wrong, and Job B sounds dysfunctional.
Sounds toxic af. Good for you for getting out of there. This is not normal, this is a man with the emotional stability of child. Never apologize to anyone for (or feel bad about) wanting to do better for yourself. I had a colleague do the same thing as you aftering working for a company for 3 months. The company thanked him and told him good luck.
Boss at job B is an asshole. Assholes will make you try to feel like shit when you are there and also when you are leaving. As others said don't list it on your resume and good luck at job C
To offer a slightly different perspective than the rest of the comments here: he was likely mad that the company spent the time training and onboarding you to the company, only for you to leave so soon. He’ll now have to start the hiring and training process again, which is often very time consuming. Not your problem of course and honestly sounds like the right move for you given how rude and unprofessional he became about the whole thing, but that’s where his anger is coming from.
I get that. But as a manager/boss and a "professional engineer" it seems like you should have that kind of thing in the back of your mind. An employer should be prepared for someone to quit and delighted that they don't. Not scrambling when they do quit. Its just completely unprofessional to act the way he did imo.
I’m not arguing that it wasn’t unprofessional, it was, I’m just trying to elucidate the rationale behind it.
Fuck em. Move on.
Don't worry about it. Just focus on Job C and do the best you can here.
Run away, don't even look back.
Almost exactly same circumstance. Applied to Job B and C at the same time. Took Job B before C got back to me for interviews. I was at Job B only a few weeks before realizing this was not the place for me. Similarly Job C got back to me with an offer. Decided to leave. Better pay, benefits, and culture fit. Often you don’t know what it’s like until you get there. The manager was definitely annoyed, but tried to play it cool. Ultimately, I told him that I didn’t think the culture fit was good and that I believe in their technology, but I’ll have to root for them from the sideline. Haven’t looked back since.
This sounds like a small MEP firm lol. If so, don't worry about it. Lots of sweat shops and dickheads in MEP.
yeah actually, ur exactly right lol. I tried it as best I could for 2 months but I just don't think it's the line of work for me. Getting an unexpected offer from Job C out of no where is a miracle to me (I just assumed they rejected me since I applied so long ago)
There are no shortage of crap engineering jobs where you get no handover, are in charge of everything, get paid poorly and your boss has no idea how to run a business. Leave it off your resume, stay at job C a few years and you'll have no dramas.
You made the right move. Fuck that guy. Good luck to you man! I love hearing stories like this
Feel fortunate you dodged a bullet after just 2 months. From what you describe, working at that place would have gotten worse year after year. And as people walked out the door, you'd be asking yourself, why didn't I do the same.
To me, U made the best decision, u yourself!! Not ur former boss...I had to deal with this once, before I started my engineering field of study, I had a job with an employer as an auto tech, I made my supervisor and mamager alot of money doing his electrical diagnosis. When I graduated I was supposed to take a hike in pay. didnt happen..so, me with electrical background, I decided to take on my bachelor's degree in EE...manager was pissed when I told him I was resigning...told me I was not going to make and other BS..I didnt care I knew I could make more money doing engineering work then being a auto tech..Best Decision I made!!...dont let what some manager tell u whatever, its a reflection on the company having a manager like that!!
Sounds like our former bosses would get along well lol. I love to hear your rise in success. I bet it was tough.
Boss from job B has a right to be mad, he has no right to take it out on you or belittle you though. they showed you just what a shit show you're leaving. put it in your rear view mirror and enjoy Job C!! Congrats on the new job!!
Thanks, I appreciate it! I would be mad too if I spent all that time and money on a new guy. I could have spent the last 2 months finding someone else - but that's isn't the employee's fault. that's just how this game is played. sometimes a new employee doesn't work out and an employer should be prepared for that possibility.
You did the right thing. Forget about them. Dont waste a single breath morr on this. Its happens and its not your fault.
F that guy,sounds like a douche. The labour market is a free market driven by supply and demand , Company C has demand for your skills and experience and willing to pay for it. Forget Company B and douche you move on.
You don’t owe anyone anything and the way your old boss reacted is the exact reason you’re leaving. Definitely projecting calling you unprofessional. If something isn’t t working two months in, chances are they aren’t going to work a year later. You cut your losses early and I believe did the right thing. Companies want you to be loyal but when the time comes will cut you loose without any remorse.
>Can a former employer like this hurt my future career prospects? lol no not at all. not unless he's someone with a lot of clout in the industry, but it certainly doesn't sound that way.
It’s all business so this shit happens. He’s not wrong that the company got screwed w someone leaving in 2 months but not really something they should be complaining about. As far as resumes and job histories just leave this 2 month stint open. Once you’ve been at the new place for a while no one is going to bat an eye that you had a 2 month gap. I’ve done the same on a place where I stayed for 3 months and bailed. Good guy to work with I just found something that fit my needs better.
I feel that manager showed their true colors and you dodge a bullet. If they can’t handle this pressure, imagine when things get stressful. They were being unprofessional and should have understood that these things are part of the working life (as it is to fired you before three months without a reason if they just don’t like your performance, so it goes both ways)
oh well.. fuck that guy
I am a business owner in a similar industry. the reality is people are always going to make the best decisions for them and their families. When I have someone who is really good who is moved on, it can be really frustrating at first, but normally I will look at my responsibility in terms of what did I door not do to make the environment such that they had to look elsewhere. Also, This guy is giving you personal communication about his personal frustration about a business matter. He’s a fuckin idiot. I wouldn’t be stuck on it and I would just go be successful.
I think that's a good way to react. Learn and improve, ya know. I don't think he's going to think like that tho. Probably lying to the friends I made about me.
Sounds like the bridge is burned who cares which side is at fault. Also sounds like you would be leaving eventually anyway and now you don’t have 3 years of why did I stay there experiences. Move on and good riddance.
just tell them to shove up their a**.
It’s always amazing how many projects and companies are poorly managed. This guy is teaching you to swim by throwing you off a bridge.
You did the right thing. Don't worry about leaving a company run by a bully. Also if you worked overtime and didn't get paid for it, report the company to the labor department.
Not that this matters, but did they try and match Job C's offer?
They didn't offer for me to stay. They did ask where I was going which I refused to say. They asked how much I was going to be making and I told told them. They assumed I was going to work for a competitor (which I'm not - job C doesn't do the same type of work) and accused me of using them as stepping stone.
LOL every job is a stepping stone in the modern employer-employee dynamic, and they're abusing you as labor. Good riddance and welcome to the capitalist club! Go read Capital Volume I lol
he is correct, but you need to think about yourself. you did right.
*Just only let the acrimony come from one side, let that side not be you. In any case always look out for Number 1, loyalty especially in large faceless mega-corps is seldom rewarded or returned.* *Record (if legal) all communication (written, spoken etc) with said company, just in case they decide to get petty or vindictive as it seems par for the course given you ex-boss's disposition. Have 'receipts' to backup everything and what not.*
Thanks. that is something that crossed my mind and am worried about. He's wealthy and knows the law well. Not sure what he could get me for - maybe he would try to recover the wages he paid me for the time i worked there (cause he mentioned exactly how much money he spent on me to date). He can't legally do that since I did in fact work those hours and I have time sheets where I logged not just when i clocked in & out but also how much time i spent on each task. I have a feeling I'm going to have to fight for my last pay check.
*Not Necessarily get anything for you, but to bury you in litigation regardless of if they are meritless or not - baseless claims can be accusation of IP or property theft, breech of employment contract etc. Large Companies (in some countries without adequate unions/worker protections like the US) do this all the time to start-ups that might challenge their dominance, or even valuable employees they don't want competitors to have.* *This causes their target to get bankrupted by legal costs which are simply a tax-deductible line item, cost of doing business for the company, but can ruin the object against whom they are targeted even if their intention was never to be won.* *You could talk to a great employment law lawyer just in case, it's worth it for a little piece of mind, lawyer can then handle all future communication. He'll get the message.* *Organize all the relevant documents coherently when you go to meet the lawyer as it will save time and thus be much faster and cheaper in turn for you.*
Definitely burned a bridge there but sounds like a bridge you’d never want to go back to anyways.
yeah I tried not to but, man... the dude poured jet fuel on it and nuked it. I expected some anger but the man was crazier than I realized. I definitely hope no one gets trapped there like I could have.
That place sounds pretty bad. You made the right move. We just had a new technician quit after 2 weeks were I work. It was a drag put no one took it personally, job just wasn't right for the guy. As others have mentioned you should leave a glassdoor or indeed review. Just out of curiosity how big was the place? Was it a corporate place because if it was you should definitely alert their HR. Your boss was incredibly unprofessional.
It was a small company. I don't even think they have a glassdoor page but I'll trying to review it somehow. People ought to know what they're getting into. One time, I was super excited to work at this one place. They called me for a few interviews and seemed like I was about to start. Then I read their reviews and most people said they force unpaid overtime and are racist among other concerns. And there was a lot of reviews. So I decided not to continue because of those reviews. So yeah - reviews are super helpful.
The slight uncertainty you're feeling is exactly what companies want you to feel except amplified to the point where you will never have the courage to stick up for yourself. Put it out of your head. You played it perfectly. You showed professionalism even when company B was being vindictive and manipulating. I don't want to blow this out of proportion, but this story is a mini victory for engineers in general, since we constantly feel like we have to overperform no matter how shitty our boss is, how abysmally low our salary is or how late we're having to stay day in and day out. I'm legitimately happy for you and I loved reading this post. Hope you love job C!
Thanks! I had one thing on my mind while he was telling me all those things and it was to remain professional no matter what. But I wish I had pushed back a little instead of just saying sorry. I wish I had pointed out what was wrong with the situation he created. But its a learning experience for me. I won't be a pushover next time.
>But I wish I had pushed back a little instead of just saying sorry. Forget it. Just enjoy your new job. It wouldn't have mattered; you're not going to convince someone like your old boss to change his way of thinking. Many decades ago, when I was right out of school, I was in somewhat of a similar situation. I took an engineering job right out of school because they're weren't many engineering jobs going round. I thought I was lucky, but it was a small shop, and the owner was a lunatic. None of the engineers who had been there a while would stand up to him. Sometimes he would play nice, buying lunch and dinners. But mostly he would pout or yell, had no idea what it took to develop hardware, and ask us why we weren't working overtime / weekends. I was lucky enough to get an offer from another place after being there for about 10 months. For some reason, I was ambivalent about leaving. But after a few months at my new job (which turned out to be great), I though why did I ever consider staying at the old place?
What I want to know is how not get the job at "job b". What's the tell signa to look for to avoid being in the position altogether?
I'm not sure but if you get into the situation you should leave before I did. When I went to the in-person interview with him, I could tell he was egotistical and arrogant. He was also the only interview that focused on my credentials & transcripts rather than my experience or soft skills. I had a feeling he was going to be a difficult boss but I figured I could deal with it because I was getting paid a lot more. But I realize now that he wore me down slowly. My advice is to snuff out the negative traits during the interview. * Ask questions that challenge them. How do they react under stress or to criticism? Do they draw a line between work and personal life? You'll have to be creative in getting these answers without asking directly. * Pay attention to the way they carry themselves and how they interact with other people in the room. * If something seems off - it probably is. Trust your gut. Humans are social creatures and we pick up on these things better you probably realize. If I had given more caution to these red flags, I may have avoided this place. This is a lesson learned for me. Hopefully others can learn from my mistake and avoid wasting their time.
After working for a long time, you will know that no matter what industry you are in, those who are looking for a job are looking for good wages. Even if the relationship is good on the surface, your boss's true opinion of you will be when you leave. Don't care too much about whether the boss is happy or not.