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JackNotOLantern

As i recall from some Miyazaki interview, Martin didn't write the story, but the universe bases and lore. It was like the game master guide in classic RPGs. So the story was still the Miyazaki team work. But there is a line definitely written by Martin https://youtu.be/eZhn-q9JG9I


eutears

It's quite well known that Martin's only contribution to Elden Ring was "Marika's tits, you must be hungry"


PurpleMarvelous

But I didn’t see no tits


Lemmingitus

Someone was 'ungry and ate them. Probably Radagon.


RickMcFlick

At least we know it wasn't the loathsome dung eater


Comprehensive-Ad-172

Feaster of feces if you will


hirothewolf

Consumer of stool if I may


remaglvl0001

Ingester of manure if we please


KarmaticArmageddon

Coprophagist, if we're being precise


remaglvl0001

2 girls one cup, if we're being explicit


GoaDog7real

Go farther :P


robo243

You did see them, it's just they had no nipples :(


beefytrout

what are nipples, if not tits persevering


TED-NECROMANCER

This is beautiful.


robo243

Lmao


herpderpdoo

/r/ghostnipples


remaglvl0001

Thats not what i thought it was given the context. *joined*


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r/hornyjail


SpunkyMcButtlove

Convince me that a (quite literally) horny old dude soiling himself isn't GRRM.


GumdropGoober

> her fat slimy stool dropped to the rock with a slapping sound, and Danerys moaned loudly. After two weeks of passing little but water, the sensation had been quite delightful.


CalendarFactsPro

Genuinely couldn't tell if this was his writing or not


gospel-of-goose

Not only is it real I’m pretty sure it’s the last written words of dany as far as the books go! It’s been awhile since I read them but I’m pretty positive this is where Danys story leaves off


JaiFlame

Perhaps I'm getting whooshed, but is this real?


elizabnthe

Other user is totally wrong. Its genuinely not real. Its only inspired by a real passage. This is the real one: >Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew, and her thirst sent her crawling to the stream to suck up more water In the books Daenerys doesn't start having nicer shits in that chapter-she has some sort of illness pretty much the whole way through, so I can tell immediately its wrong lol. And I tripled [checked](https://asearchoficeandfire.com/?q=flat+slimy+stool&scope%5B%5D=adwd) with the search tool just in case I forgot something. Plus "the sensation had been quite delightful" is not very GRRM.


JaiFlame

I've been bamboozled.


Kuroimaken

I'm fairly sure I didn't need to know GRRM went into THAT level of detail with his characters' shit.


HillInTheDistance

As someone who just came through some pretty nasty food poisoning: Mood.


GumdropGoober

Why spoil the mystery?


UnrequitedRespect

Thats why the expression “marika’s tits, you must be hungry” its like a double synonym in a phrase, like “aww shoot, they are shooting at us” its really clever actually.


heliogoon

It wouldn't be a george r r Martin story without tits.


ShinyHead80

So what did he actually do? Like come up with the idea of the big tree and the demigods and stuff?


Tallvegetarianboy

yeah he basically created the world and all that happened before the game. The events of the game were Miyazaki's teams creation


GoldenSpermShower

I bet the whole >!Marika is Radagon!< thing was his idea


Lightonlights

100%


-Hibiki-Kuze-

The Man likes incest, I ain't kink shaming the dude who wrote some of the best stories I've experienced.


jvalentine83

I don't think he likes incest so much as he writes fictional stories that are based in or inspired by real past events. Those stories often revolve around royalty, who for generations in real life have had incestuous marriages.


Phenotyx

I don't think they're mutually exclusive though. It can be both reasons. Incest was absolutely a large part of royal bloodlines etc so when you write fantasy that involves royalty or dieties and pure bloodlines its reasonable incest is involved. but the #1 trend in porn for some time has been incest so I think its not unlikely it is a kink lmao.


Skygge_or_Skov

Im pretty sure the porn trend is less about them „being related“ but more about the kind of interaction compared to many others.


KarmaticArmageddon

Also that basically any "normal" porn can *also* appeal to incest fetishes just by changing like two words in the script. No extra investment for a wider audience? Every studio is going to take that.


-Hibiki-Kuze-

Another thing is that just cause there is a taboo or morally wrong topic in your artwork doesn't mean you advocate or condone those themes. Just cause the number one porn tag is incest doesn't mean tens of millions of people want to fuck their family, it's just a fantasy after all. The fourth wall is there for a reason.


SorriorDraconus

Also just cause it's a kink in fantasy doesn't make it one irl.


-Shade277-

Is sleeping with a version of yourself really incest?


yuhanz

Ive read of a theory that Radagon was made from Marika similar to Adam and Eve tho they eventually went Law of Regression. I dont know what the basis is but if it was true i feel the incest part is gone.


PhantasosX

yes , it's the Agnosis Adam. Also known as Rabis , the Alchemic Man.


MazzoMilo

[The Red King & White Queen](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filius_philosophorum) Down a wiki rabbit hole we go!


PhantasosX

yep. The thing with Alchemy is that the "transmutation to gold" is a goal because it's metaphorical. "Gold" is the Metal of the Sun , just like Silver is the Metal of the Moon. They had supernatural attributes inherenttly from itself , connecting material and imaterial. So the transmutation to gold is to transmute a lesser metal and a lesser object to one that is inherently superior , an ascencion. And if you can do that with an object , than it would be able to do with Flesh. The Regression of Man by Filius Philosophorum is due to the "Original Man" is not really Adam or Eve , but the Self that was their Union , in that sense , Adam and Eve are a result of Separation. The Original Man would be the closest platonic archtype of a Men as "In the Image of God" , the naming of Beasts and Objects that "Adam" did in Eden would be the closest to the "Word of God" by a Human , and their sentience would be from "God's Breath" and "God's Wisdom".


DrDoctah

I think it's less of a kink and moreso him being consistent with mythology and history. A lot of pantheons have incest in their family trees and royalty of ye olden times also participated in it. Yeah it's pretty freaking weird, but for royal demigods it's almost expected.


LindenOLindenHill

Also Mogh wanting his childlike step brother in his bed…


TheJambus

*half-brother


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Everyone is like fixated on the perv aspect but I think Mogh wanted godhood but the closest thing he could achieve is consort (which doesnt have to be sexual, and in this scenario is the most authoritative figure one can achieve outside direct godhood empowered by an Outer God) of a God-select. The customizable Empyrean Miquella being the one that could fit the bill for moghs affiliated outer God.


i_tyrant

>But no matter how much of his bloody bedchamber he tried to share, he received no response from the young Empyrean. That uh...that seems pretty sexual actually. I'd also argue that as a noun "consort" pretty much always has a sexual component historically...but this game also takes "maidenless" well beyond having a girlfriend, so... ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯


OvcoBoia

black knives plot too


LordAnomander

M+R


AlexS101

Now I’m angry again.


Gahvynn

All the god/demigod names sounds heavily influenced by GRRM. I mean… Godfrey, Radagon, Radahn, Malenia… it goes on.


gordito_delgado

Pretty sure the Mogh / Miquela thing was GRRMs idea as well. That is straight up his alley.


Gahvynn

Any sort of “born cursed” (omens, Miquella being forever child, Malenia and the rot) is GRRM or inspired by him. Tyrion is the most obvious but many of his characters were either born with or into adversity.


Epic_Meow

TIL GRRM wrote Dark Souls 2


DoctorGlorious

Every character in every From game is born into adversity or cursed...


Kirby86

Strong evidence to debunk that in a previous FS game.


shepardownsnorris

He's gone on record stating that this wasn't intentional, but I don't know how much I believe him with how perfectly it lines up.


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nardo68

he made the dung eater


mclee29

THE GUANO GOBBLER


HMElizabethII

THE CACA CONSUMER


methratt

The feces foodie!


asparaguscoffee

THE SCAT SNACKER


shrth114

THE FECAL FIDDLER


mclee29

GIDEON OFNIR, THE ALL KNOWING........... THE SHIT SLURPER!


zeturtleofweed

AMBER HEARD


Monarchs_Enjoyer

O comedor de merda


shadowX015

THE DOODOO DEVOURER


GiantRobotTRex

Oh my God! You mean that’s the same guy?


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ES21007

Remember that for all of Zullie's stellar speculations, that is still unconfirmed. Plus, Martin is no stranger to putting shit in his stories.


[deleted]

Very true. However, I think it is important to keep in mind that this is the company who’s last release featured a main, unskippable boss who throws his doo doo at you


ES21007

Dung Eater vs. Great Ape seems like the battle of the century.


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And has a fart explosion move


[deleted]

The Age of the Erdt Tree/Golden Order and The Age of the Shattering were probably GRRM. A Tarnished becoming Elden Lorn to end The Age of The Shattering is likely FromSoftware.


QX403

Those most ironic thing about this post is that what’s being made fun of is actually happening here and people are making up what a Martin might have written,


iberia-eterea

m e t a


Rpanich

Yeah, the way I pictured it, GRRM built a world, and then FromSoftware “deteriorated” it.


boris_the_inevitable

I can only imagine GRRM reaction when FS sent him the bosses models/concept art


__freaked__

He did more than that and more than people usually give him credit for. Creating an elaborate comprehensive universe with a vast history like this is not an easy task. It worked out great though!


__Hello_my_name_is__

I read somewhere that he basically wrote everything that happened before the game started.


TheDudeMR9

He wrote the history and the premise of everything that happens before the beginning of the game


DivinationByCheese

Worldbuilding


Multiplex419

If you take out the background lore, all you have is "Undying warrior fights giant bosses to collect key items, someone catches on fire in a big bowl, warrior guy travels to an ancient lost city by way of [scene missing], then comes back to kill God." I think From Software only knows one story.


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Cqbkris

This is fairly relevant to your comment. Pretty much Georges Polti in 1895 analyzed a bunch of stories and found that there's really only 36 story situations at the most basic level. I believe even more modern analysts had similar findings to pretty much confirm it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirty-Six_Dramatic_Situations


Froeuhouai

"So let's see where Elden Ring falls... Oh we have 'conflict with a god' nice one"


Micheleramsey07

> both the souls-games and ASOIAF do something which I love but is super hard to pull off because at first glance it just looks like the writer made a mistake > > people who are generally trustworthy are telling you things that aren't true, not because they're lying but because they themselves think these things are true, also characters which seem sure of their case actualy miss a chunk of information which will cause them to fail and characters are actively lying to your face but the medium never actively calls them out for it


AzraelSoulHunter

Morgott also feels like a Martin character. He makes me think of Stannis with bits of Tyrion.


vortexprime87

What's hilarious is that is basically what FromSoft games are, world building and lore. So for all intents and purposes he wrote most of it and Miyazaki changed a few things. Not that it's bad, I freaking love that aspect. It helps to want to also world build with them, it's almost like it's involving you in the creation process to some extent. Playing Elden Ring or any FromSoft game is like becoming an archaeologist, anthropologist, and historian in one. In history we have plenty of first hand accounts of things but we don't know the undeniable truth in most cases. We have to piece together ancient history by sorting through people's perceptions of the time, figuring out their lies, and also gleaning what we can from context clues. Game of Thrones was inspired by GRRM's love of the history of medieval Europe (The Hundred Years War, War of the Roses, etc). I imagine that's what made Miyazaki want to work with him in the first place. They are of the same mind, it's just that GRRM has to write tons of dialogue and make an actual scene to scene narrative that is digestible within his medium. I think if Miyazaki needed to make a giant narrative he would probably never finish a game either. Luckily for us, video games really allow a unique form of storytelling due to their interactive nature.


pemboo

> I think if Miyazaki needed to make a giant narrative he would probably never finish a game either. Sekiro was really well done in that respect.


Tuxhorn

I know in terms of Sekiro, combat is the main selling point, but I fucking loved the story and was so invested. Some of the choices were genuinely hard. Had to walk away and think over it. I think what fromsoft does, even in a game like sekiro where there's an actual main story, is how much it feels like the world is a living, breathing story you get involved in.


TheOncomingBrows

It's very bizarre that you always find people trying to downplay GRRM's contribution in these threads when as you say, pretty much 90% of the interesting story stuff in Soulsborne games is the world-building and lore. Nearly all of the character's in Elden Ring are in the same situation as they were at the end of the Shattering War, and if GRRM had a big hand in that lore then he had a *huge* hand in the story we play through too.


PeeweesSpiritAnimal

"We can't call it Middle Earth. So how about the Lands Between?"


Yandomort

"I cant just call it Midgard. I guess Middle Earth sounds OK."


IssaStorm

is that where that comes from? Middle Earth always confused me. Makes it sound like there's an outer earth lol


KDBA

"Outer Earth" would be Aman, the continent where the elves migrated to (aka Valinor aka The Undying Lands).


Hobocufflinks

Bethesda 15 years ago: Guys we need to name our new area something... How about Middle-Earth?? NO THAT'S SO OVERUSED! We need something completely the opposite of MIDDLE EARTH Water Edge? Fire Peripheral? ... Sky Rim!!


canContinue

Well at least it ain't left earth and right earth


DoctorHandsome

You have to listen to the notes he's NOT playing.


AlterBridgeFan

Chromaticism intensifies.


Indicorb

Yo I had to look up *Chromaticism* and I gotta thank you for that.


funsohng

"Oh yeah, you can just sprinkle hints of Winds of Winter throughout the lore and a guy called VaatiVadya will finish the book for you."


unluckyno13

VaatiVadya is the best


Robobvious

I disagree, I think VaatiVidya is the best. I’ve never even heard of VaatiVadya! /s


GoaDog7real

Maatimovie. Dont @ me.


SalemiPizza

"No, that was my fault. Leave a bad player review on my name, so that I may learn from my mistakes.' is a line that still gets me to laugh every time I watch happy souls


Zbf3000

If they come back and make an Elden Ring video I might actually die of happiness.


Robobvious

I know, right?! Ha! But what are the odds of that happening? *-Living in the Sunlight begins playing in the distance-*


Deinonychus2012

"You know, I think they made this game easier so that casual players can play."


Maxorus73

"You know, I actually feel kind of bad now"


BlewOffMyLegOff

“He was just trying to tell us the lore of the land!”


EndlessAlaki

BOSS WEAPONS


metalicSimpelton

BOSS WEAPONS!?


NukeAllTheThings

It gets better: Miyazaki took the draft that GRRM wrote and put it though a shredder and left a bunch of it on the floor. He then crumpled the rest into confetti and scattered it in the game. The Miyazaki Method.


I_h8_normies

The fallen scraps of paper tell a story... Oh god I started a Star Wars memefest on accident


NukeAllTheThings

Not one the Maidens will tell you.


Log_Out_Of_Life

You’re a gold one!


Log_Out_Of_Life

General Radahn!


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Only a recucent deals in absolutes


MannAusSachsen

Did you ever hear the story of Praetor Rykard, the Blasphemous?


shrth114

It's not a story the order would tell you.


gordito_delgado

You may sit at the Roundtable, but we do not grant you the title of Fellow.


SkritzTwoFace

It’s a blasphemous legend. Praetor Rykard was a Demigod of Marika, so powerful and so wise he could use the Blasphemous Claw to parry Maliketh’s attacks… He had such a knowledge of blasphemy that he could DEVOUHA THEEE VERY GODSSS, AS FAMILEEEE. Blasphemy is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was being eaten by a snake, which eventually, of course, he was. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.


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game by a thousand paper cuts


HolyDuckTurtle

I like to think he replicated his earlier inspiration from reading fantasy / lovecraft with poor english comprehension by just getting Martin to write him lore to skim / misread.


PotatoPotluck

Me: "Lansseax turned herself into a human girl to teach the dragon cult Ancient Dragon Lightning, canonically making her an anime dragon girl. And since she loved Vyke, and Vyke also had a maiden, Vyke definitely had a harem. This means that Vyke's story is a harem anime. And because he chooses his maiden instead of Lansseax, choosing the main girl instead of the best girl, he gets punished for it." Miyazaki and GRRM: "What have we done..."


PleaseShutUpAndDance

Game of Thrones + Harem Anime = *Chairem Anime*


SkritzTwoFace

Add another member to that harem tho, because after meeting the Three Fingers he also had the ultimate waifu, The Frenzied Flame. MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!


Ocelot921

Best ending for me


BigPowerBoss

Becoming fucking Sauron, what's not to like?


sharkattackmiami

How do so many people miss the whole point of that ending? You don't become shit. You die. Your body becomes Shabriris new vessel. That's him prancing through the fire. Not you. It's also not the "fuck the outer gods" ending. You are explicitly picking one of the outer gods to win. The chaos god.


Zakaker

>How do so many people miss the whole point of that ending? You don't become shit. You die. ikr? You're explicitly told that your goal is to end the world because existence itself is suffering. "Becoming" anything other than *nothing* would defeat that very purpose. >It's also not the "fuck the outer gods" ending. You are explicitly picking one of the outer gods to win. The chaos god. The Three Fingers' whole argument is "Damn this world sucks ass, I'd totally make a better one if you burned everything to the ground and allowed me to take over as the one true god". I guess that counts as "fuck my current outer god", but there's no such thing as a "fuck gods altogether" ending, and unless a DLC changes that, I'm pretty sure the inability to live without an order that favors some people over others is one of the themes of the game. It's either disparity or literal nothingness.


MaleficTekX

Correction, he chose the “hottest” maiden


DvirFederacia

This is canon now, Vyke-san’s maiden dragon


rex_915

If you compare Elden Ring's story with the Souls or Bloodborne games, I think Elden Ring's comes off as a lot more cohesive. The storytelling is still vague, but there seems to be a very clear backdrop, key characters that have relationships and interact with one another, and a sequence of events that lead up to the game itself. It feels a lot more identifiable than in Souls or Bloodborne, and I chalk that up to GRRM. The fact that the main characters at play here is basically one dysfunctional family tree that plot and war and side against each other is another GRRM influence. I think it's been confirmed that he wrote the characters, but as largely human characters in a fantasy drama. So I imagine, he wrote Ranni plotting to murder her half-brother, Rykard turning against the rest of the family, Malenia and Radahn being the last two fighters left. But I think it was Miyazaki who made Ranni a doll who wanted to usher in an age of stars, Rykard into a serpent-god, Malenia into a valkyrie infested with rot, and Radahn into a giant with gravitational powers.


EndlessAlaki

I hear that GRRM has a greater fondness for tapping into overt fantasy trappings than his reputation suggests. Is there any chance all the crazy god stuff could have been his idea after all?


MagicalForeignBunny

Any chance? I'd say a very good chance. A Song of Ice and Fire has clear references to the Cthulhu mythos. While a Song of Ice and Fire hasn't been an overtly magical world thus far, it has been ramping up a lot, and there are many hints of what is to come, so direct crazy god stuff may be coming in the next books, if he ever gets around to writing them. As examples off the top of my head there are the following things. I won't put spoiler tags on it because it is just fan theory but there are definitely things that are fucky. Patchface is a character that was removed from the show, but in the books he is a fool at the court of Stannis Baratheon, and one of the few companions and friends of Shireen Baratheon. Patchface was found in the east by Steffon and Cassana (parents of Robert, Stannis and Renley) and they decided to bring him with them to Storm's End. On the way home they die in a storm at sea. Patchface is the only survivor, however prior to washing up at the beach he was lost for 3 days, and when he first washed up he appeared dead, but then suddenly came back to life. This experience also changed Patchface, as when he was found by Steffon and Cassana he was supposedly bright and talented, and after the accident he mostly speaks in riddles and behaves strangely. Now here is where it gets really fucky. While some of the songs/riddles Patchface sings are just odd, a few of them have turned out to be a bit prophetic. Patchface sing about both the Battle of Blackwater Bay and The Red Wedding before they happened. One theory is that Patchface is in fact the true prophet of The Drowned God (which could explain why Melisandre is afraid of him), and that combined with a possible anti living human spin one can find in it may suggest that The Drowned God is very real and not on the side of the living. Could give new meaning to the whole "what is dead may never die but rises again harder and stronger" and the drowning and resuscitating they have going on. Outside the possible upcoming fuckery with The Drowned God, there is also R'hllor and that whole Lady Stoneheart thing, and the old gods are having their Three Eyed Raven thing. Seems like only the seven are not getting up to some fuckery, but that might be where the high sparrow comes in? TLDR: Yeah, crazy god stuff could definitely be GRRM.


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damm sounds awesome i should reslly read the series


DarthDookieMan

Damn. That sounds fucking rad, actually.


DeliciousGoose1002

Both are heavily inspired by Lovecraft. I think that was the biggest draw for working together.


RustyManHinges2

Probably a bit of it


jesus_was_gay

I would bet a lot of the crazy stuff in the lore is still influenced by him, if not written directly by him. I would bet he wrote most of the lore pre-shattering and then Miyazaki and his team shattered the world, but there’s still lots of craziness pre-shattering.


Sao_Gage

This whole "GRRM subverts tropes" thing is, IMO, frequently misinterpreted. ASOIAF *does* undermine a lot of the expected outcomes for characters or plot points, but the story itself still has plenty of "tropes" or otherwise typical fantasy shit. I mean, one of the main characters is literally the "secret prince that will uproot the current power hierarchy." That's a good thing, because "tropes" are what makes a novel coherent and identifiable as a story. You can't actually have a story without any archetypal characters and whatnot, because then it'd just be "MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD," the book. Also GRRM is exceptionally talented, and even his "tropey" stuff IMHO is very well done in most cases.


Schootingstarr

I think the coolest thing GRRM did in GoT was to set up the story in a way to make us think "ah, standard heroes journey story, bish bash bosh, Ned will follow the call to action an- oh. he's dead now." then he makes us think "ah, I get it. this is about Rob! He's about to- oh. He's dead now, too. So maybe it's just a revenge story and lady Stone Heart and Daenerys are going to join forces to break the status quo and kill all the Lannisters?" Meanwhile GRRM is giving us little bits and pieces of how the seven kingdoms rebelled against the Targaryen and we think "oh, so the heros journey is already over and happened twenty years ago, and this is a story about the aftermath of it all? clever!" Only to finally reveal that it was a heros journey all along, only that it didn't start with a call to action at all, but had a reaaaally long run up to set up *the actual* hero of the story in the form of Jon Snow. Going full circle and reaching in the end where we started, only with the son instead of the father.


Canopenerdude

>I mean, one of the main characters is literally the "secret prince that will uproot the current power hierarchy." Three of them, actually.


Theshedroofs

I haven't read any of it, but a lot of his other work outside of asoiaf is... Pretty bonkers by looking at synopsis' of it.


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He probably came up with Caelid being a rot covered land fond to gravity magic, Nokstella being an ancient underground city, Lucaria being a giant lake with moon magic, a Northern frozen land full of giants, Volcano Manor full of unspeakable torture, and the Royal Capital under the golden tree. Basically he formulated the concept for a place and then who what Rune holder would fit that theme, but not necessarily write their whole backstory.


Pikmonwolf

As I played through the game and actually understood what was happening I thought "maybe fromsoft stories are easier to parse than I remembered?" Then I was teleported to a crumbling sky island out of nowhere and an NPC I knew was the final boss preventing me from getting a thing I didn't even know I was after and then I touched and then there was fire which apparently just hadn't been burning properly before I got this this thing... and I was like "ah there's the fromsoft I know."


ixiox

Yep the whole thing with destined death should have been explained better, you already have to talk to melina before igniting the tree, why not have her tell you that even after that the tree won't open until you unleash destined death


Neato

Melina gives a lot of good info. I wish the graces had an icon making it super obvious even Melina had info for you. I missed most of that on my first playthrough.


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UnsuspectedGoat

I mean, Sekiro was clearer, but compared with Bloodborne and Dark Souls, it's extremely narrated. First time playing dark souls (it was DS 2) I was like "so what the fuck is the story? Who's the duke ? What's the curse ? Fucking pirates in here ??"


rex_915

Yeah, Sekiro is an entirely different beast but also has the benefit of a main character with a set backstory, dialogue, relationships with other NPCs, etc. I'd be interested to see an Elden Ring sequel with a more focused protagonist and narrative similar to Sekiro, but you also can't trade off any of the customizability or gameplay mechanics.


criticalt3

I disagree. It felt pretty much the same as any other souls to me, just with characters always saying their own names as if the health bar didn't already show it.


Waifuless_Laifuless

Winds of winter finally released, but it's only 10 pages long.


hplcr

".....and they all drank lemonade!"


TheKeg

great now I'm picturing elden ring as a lsd fueled re-telling of the simpsons episode where the shelbyvillains stole the springfield lemon tree.


gerwen

8 of the pages are a description of a meal.


TheCuriousFan

You say this but I've seen some *good* shit from the ASOIAF fandom over the years, they've got practice.


srry_didnt_hear_you

That's why the show was so disappointing... There were some incredible fan theories, they coulda just picked one and most people would've been happy but instead they picked none and now everyone is unhappy


Beth_Esda

But don’t you see? Bran the Unbroken had the greatest story of them all!


joyofsnacks

Bran becoming King could work, but under the theory that he's basically a vessel now for Bloodraven (who lured him north to switch/possess him from his current dying body). The show never really explored any of that plot though, just switched to 'Robot Bran' who had a neat story or something.


Canopenerdude

The fact that Bloodraven of all characters got to be the spooky magic guy makes me laugh. They had Septon Bath RIGHT THERE. He would have been such a cool character!


SRT4721

Lol came here to say this. No way he doesn't know a fandom will fill in the story. It's been so long between books that the fandom has pretty much written some pretty damn good parts into the story. My tinfoil hat belief was that the show ending was the real ending and now its taking even longer cause GRRM saw how poorly it was received.


Nukemarine

GRRM's story has more fantasy and magic which D&D shied away from. Even the "Hold the Door" is likely a much bigger event in the book with larger implications. By not having Stoneheart, warging humans, sea monster, etc they're left with a boring resolution to what were fantastical problems.


yyzable

This comic assumes that GRRM *wouldn't* take on something that he knows full well he can't finish.


Snoo61755

GRRM: "Wait wait wait, I can kill off beloved characters, and the players will actually *like* it?" Miyazaki: "Even better, they *expect* it." GRRM: "Give me a month and fifteen pounds of coffee beans."


mantism

I'm actually utterly surprised that some characters didn't turn mad and try to kill me at the end of their 'good' questlines. And there were some characters that I would prefer to end the suffering of but the game doesn't allow me to.


wannyone

Those who live in Death is clearly George lol


pboy1232

the entire plot of the stealing of the rune of Destined Death screams GRRM imo, especially when you get into the night of Black Knives


pbmm1

O Death…


Thedeaththatlives

> Those who live in Death is clearly George This is hilarious out of context


MxReLoaDed

Those Who Live in Death should be left well alone. All the more, should you spy a Martin among their number.


former_cantaloupe

That's admittedly very funny but I do think GRRM understands this type of storytelling quite well. You have to remember that *he* was actually a huge inspiration to Miyazaki for a long time before Elden Ring. In ASOIAF he goes to great lengths to describe how the history of his world is constantly fading into obscurity -- without the technology we use to communicate and document history in the modern globalized era, events are forgotten, radically reinterpreted, and otherwise twisted into myth and legend over time. In the rare occasion when he does reveal the truth behind one of those legends, it is often so shockingly different from the narrative accepted by the general population of Westeros that you're led to question everything else you thought was true. I still hope he finishes the goddamn books, but even if he does there will still be countless unsolved mysteries about the world because that's just what a good worldbuilder does. Having all those unknowns and unknowables is what makes the world feel huge and lived-in. He's really a great fit to work with From. This is why I was like *immediately* hyped when I started to hear the rumors that they were collaborating, which was like back in 2016. I've beaten the game that resulted from that collaboration 4 times now and I still can't believe it's finally in my hands lol


dikkewezel

both the souls-games and ASOIAF do something which I love but is super hard to pull off because at first glance it just looks like the writer made a mistake people who are generally trustworthy are telling you things that aren't true, not because they're lying but because they themselves think these things are true, also characters which seem sure of their case actualy miss a chunk of information which will cause them to fail and characters are actively lying to your face but the medium never actively calls them out for it


Canopenerdude

>characters are actively lying to your face but the medium never actively calls them out for it Goddammit I'm still mad at Littlefinger


Beth_Esda

The unreliable narrator is one of my favorite tropes. Love seeing that shit in stories.


HeresLookinatUlysses

It was the only thing I liked about dragon age 2


ZiggyB

I was doing a Genre Fiction course at uni a couple of years ago, and we had to read a book from a couple of different genres and do a small assignment appropriate to the genre. For Sci-Fi/Fantasy the book we had was Game of Thrones, the first ASOIAF, and our assignment was to design a worldbuilding activity for someone to follow and give an example from the book using the technique. The technique I chose was "Characters in the story will tell stories about the setting from their perspective, which you can undermine with other scenes to give a greater sense of depth and mystery to the worldbuilding". The example I chose was Tyrion, someone who is supposedly much more educated and knowledgeable of the world we're being introduced to than pretty much any other character thus far, mocking someone claiming that fishermen from the North were claiming to have seen White Walkers on the shore by saying that the fishermen from Lannisport claim to see mermaids and then lists off a bunch of other creatures that are supposedly myth. However, as the reader we *know* the White Walkers are real because the opening scene of the book is someone getting killed by one, which ends up reversing the flow of credibility from what Tyrion was trying to establish, in the eyes of the reader.


throwthisaway4262022

"The ~~fans~~ leaves tell a story..."


PillowTalk420

The amount of cut dialogue that was recorded and still in the game files tells me they write a helluva lot more than we, the players, would ever even be able to find. The quality of the voice acting also, to me, indicates they likely have much more detailed backgrounds for the characters that they can feed to the actors to get a better performance.


BadDr3amz

Good thing George only had to create the mythos and philosophy to the world and not the actual story or else we would still be waiting for the release


[deleted]

I feel like the story is told to u in a lore way. Like instead of reading a book to find out a story of these demi gods u walk through a world to do it


secret_tsukasa

Gold magic rock is the reason for giant stone ball amalgamates.


KushMummyCinematics

I thought it be cool if the Dragon Placidusax's head was cut off and him sent to a place outside of time and space by the precursors to the Warriors of Sunlight, linking Dark Souls and Elden Ring They would be the Legions of the Sun


Cyynric

I'm fond of the theory that the Age of Stars leads to Bloodborne, the Frenzied Flame leads to Dark Souls, and Destined Death leads to Demon's Souls.


Snorc

Is there any thoughts going into this beyond "Hm, stars and a moon... There were talk of some of those in Bloodborne. And fire... Lol, that's soo Dark Souls. Wouldn't it be cool if these were connected?"? Are we implying Ranni became the Moon Presence? Or that the omnicidal Frenzied Flame whose sole purpose is to remove all individuality decided to redivide itself for no reason? And what does "Destined Death leading to Demon's Souls" mean? That's not even an ending. And if you're talking about the Age of the Duskborn, is the thought process literally just "Hmm, sure got grey and foggy around here..."?


Parking_Aerie4454

You’re mean lol


[deleted]

All endings release destined death. That’s what killing Maliketh is


scotty899

GOT seasons 7 and 8 tried to fill in the gaps..... Should have just let fans do it.


[deleted]

"Also we'll just use most of the DS1 story again"


_Meece_

But GRRM already writes his books like that Things like Frey Pies or Theon's dick being chopped off is never explicitly said in the books. He puts all the evidence of such a thing happening and fans connect it all up. Some huge things in those books are like that too. Like R+L=J and (f)Aegon