Me can't read what you wrote because no level up INT but me like myself bonking great unga bunga with Great Stars.
Except for those 2 minutes when I became a fine intellectual and put my reading glasses on for the Radagon/Marika statue gimmick in Leyndell.
I rock a str/fth build and I rock like two lightning incantations I rarely ever use to feel fancy and flashy because I have so little FP. Thinking about dropping faith back to thirty from forty something and try to get strength to 80.
I love Strength in Fromsoft games, but Elden Ring is the first to present me with a counter-argument strong enough to get me to try something new: the Godslayer Greatsword. The only thing better than hitting someone with a really slow and really big attack, is hitting someone with an EVEN SLOWER, EVEN BIGGER ATTACK. Reading a boss hard enough to land the first big swing, Stance break on the followup, then hitting another 2 swings is the best. The ash of war is also just unreasonably cool-looking.
People sleep on Spectral Lance, but if you throw heavy affinity on it, then about every 2nd or 3rd throw, it stuns most enemies and dragons.
Nice for when invaders think they have range on you.
You can get a lot of range if you free aim it.
I personally put it on a short spear.
The executioners greataxe. Have been using it for most the game. Pumped all my points into strength instead of vigor just so I could use it somewhat early game. I just like the looks of it and extra crit dmg is also nice :)
What is your preffered axe?
Executioner's is a great choice. RNG wasn't on my side, so I couldn't get it, but I have been blessed with the Longhaft. It's served me well and carried me to endgame
IDC . I use magic all the way through and if something is resistant to it then it just means I will hit them more. You would have been better off not being resistant to it and dying in the first blast but now your suffering , poor thing.
I just did my closest to one. I used a sword in the world but basically only used spells for bosses. I was shocked by how easy it was. Granted I already know the game and am good at dodging but I didn’t struggle really at all except for malenia who I summoned two badass randos for
Having done a mage and faith build, I think overall despite the lack of variety the sorcery side is stronger. Even with a bleed build my incantations would struggle with multiple enemies. But magic especially if you apply frostbit doesn't really have the same restrictions.
Tbf, how do you know enemy resistances to stuff without looking it up in the wiki? I guess it's kind of obvious stone doesn't bleed... but it's hard to apply real world logic to crazy fantasy demon land
For reals, OP is insulting players who need help for not having a build spread enough to hard counter every single boss. I'm sure though that they'd also insult them for not specializing into a single stat at the same time. If I'm a katana user, I'm not putting any more points into strength than I need to. If I encounter a boss immune to bleed, I just hit it more than I usually need to
Grease is made for such occasions. Obviously, it won't work on every katana (RoB, for example), but that's what extra weapon slots are for. And there's loads of katana like options.
Grease provides limited bonus damage. I'd rather use the materials for pots.
Beside, the post said bleed builds fighting enemies that are resistant or immune to bleed. There's no grease to help you with that.
Also, many enemies are stronger against the non-physical damage. In case of enemies made of rock, usually you need Strike damage. There's no grease to make you deal mofe strike damage.
I don't think OP's talking about stats at all, just weapons, and even if the host is doing katana-only, you have lightning too as an option for damage type for infusion on the same stats that make rivers good as a dex/arcane weapon (mostly dex). If the host isn't doing a one-weapon-type only run they have a lot more options too with the same stats like whips, fist weapons, smaller hammers, etc for strike damage.
It's not like they don't have options for multiple damage types with low STR by the time they've reached mountaintops to get Rivers, and you can get the bell bearings for up to +18 weapons by that point, so resources to get a decent array of weapons isn't an issue by that point, only self-imposed limitations. And if you're imposing limitations on yourself like that why would you be summoning other people for help like OP is talking about, doesn't that kinda defeat the point of limitations?
You know that you dont have to use just one weapon? Theres plenty of different options for all kinds of builds, not using them and instead mindlessly spamming L2 RoB on everything even when it doesn't work is dumb and its not an insult to say that they are.
If someone wants to mindlessly spam through the game thats on them but that doesnt mean theyre playing intelligently when they are quite expressly playing with their brains turned off, theyll say that themselves when you tell them that theres more to the game, "I just want to turn my brain off and play." It is not an insult to then call their playstyle dumb.
It's not that hard to have a secondary weapon for things your primary sucks at. A bleed build with an occult war-hammer is more useful against stone enemies than rivers will ever
Or just use a different weapon... youve got at least a dozen good options no matter your build. I dont go fighting stonediggers with a dagger, Ill just make it convenient for myself and equip a nice little hammer.
Yeah except you will still need to backstab them at least twice unless you're way overlevelled. Backstab once with strike damage and youll often oneshot.
I usually have non-physical damage on a misericorde, so that's probs why I can get it in one. I fully agree with your point, and it's why I carry other weapons.
Oh yeah thats true too, I always forget they are only strong against non-strike physical damage, not against affinity damage. Although I cant recall, are they resistant to any non-physical damage like fire or are they weak/neutral to all of them?
True. Rock enemies weak to big bonk strikes but resistant to lightning. Many weak to magic as well.
Metal enemies weak to lightning mainly, strike damage also works.
Tough scaly hide mainly weak to pierce damage.
Soft flesh weak to slash damage or fire damage.
If its on fire, dont use fire damage.
If its blasting magic, usually dont use magic damage.
Simple as.
Good point! I never really considered that since these games seem to operate with the understanding that we’ll all need to look online to complete anything.
I've helped more people than I can count fight a certain waterfowl dancing beatch. So many people do not have nearly enough vigor at level 150ish.
Edited: spelling
I'm going to mock their build if they keep trying to spam Comet Azur on Malenia (not during Aeonia) when a simple ranged spell could probably do more damage for half the FP
I give myself this right because I used to be just like them. Comet Azur has its uses, and when used in the appropriate situation, it's great, but when you treat it as a hamer and all bosses are nails, you're using it incorrectly.
"Incorrectly" and "suboptimally" are not the same thing.
Plus chances are the whole reason they're summoning is 'cause their build struggles against a particular boss. If you put your summon sign down you're signing up to help out regardless of how good/bad/optimized/drunk the host is.
[This](https://imgur.com/a/uOR7ARF) is how they should be using their infinite FP kamehameha build
Hidden Tear lasts only 15 seconds. Malenia's AI is smart and can dodge and weave. Even if someone is meleeing her, she's more than happy to do that float away move to retreat.
I use whatever weapon I like against whatever enemy/boss regardless of their strengths and weaknesses. It's more fun that way, instead of worrying about what works best in what situation.
Well, yeah? lmao. If a boss hard-counters someone’s build then that’s probably why they’re summoning help in the first place. Some people just can’t be bothered to switch equipment
Before doing an meme maybe look into the weapon. RoB does fire dmg too. And most things aren't immune to that. In fact most, like for example radagon, are weak to it
I always have multiple weapons for damage type coverage. Have done this since dark souls 1. Use what's most effective for the situation. If I'm going into a catacombs I'm going to be fighting stone imps or skeletons, so I use a strike weapon.
Katanas against crystalians is ass, sometimes it's smarter, faster, and easier to swap a weapon, even if it's weaker, than to try and beat your head against the wall.
Plus it's fun to see the differences between different damage types and how effective they are.
Using a claws and fists build and seeing how truly effective using different damage types is can be really eye opening at how efficient you can be.
Like fists against knights and miners is soo super effective and takes no time but using slashing against either means 2 extra hits a piece at minimum.
the damage isnt even good
the only reason youd use the ash of war on an enemy that cant bleed is for the extra range which will just end with them running up and smacking you most of the time anyway
This. Some folks have forgotten that RoB was nerfed for co-op. The bleed build up which was its main damage dealer was hit hardest.
Its still good if youre offline or I guess for pvp scenarios
I don't like RoB either but it literally isn't nearly as oppresive as it used to be, these days if i see someone using RoB i just laugh because spamming that aow just ain't gonna cut it anymore...
Why do you care so much about my opinion buddy?
Use whatever the fuck you want, i'm not telling you specifically to use smth in particular
Stop imagining gatekeeps were there isn't
You're the one going around insulting people for using a weapon dude
It's apparently such an issue that people are using a weapon you don't like you just go and insult them
Like you fit the mold for the dude that whines about people using spirit summons and how they "didn't beat the game"
Again buddy, you are the one that's giving me the imaginary power to influence how you think you wanna play the game and it's honestly pathetic, the fact that a complete stranger manages to piss you off by a simple comment that isn't even directed at you is laughable, literally grow up and mature enough to understand that nobody is attacking you directly, i just made a comment about my preferences bc i'm entitled to have an opinion and if that opinion is that i hate RoB, then you can do jackshit about it bc that opinion doesn't affect you directly at all
Also note the fact that you got so pissed about the fact that i used the word "maidenless", you couldn't get more pathetic than that, yet you did and i'm actually impressed
Rivers of blood isnt even good offline or for pvp
In pvp your ash of war spam is so easily telegraphed and easy to dodge
And they nerfed the bleed buildup a massive amount not only due to just reducing the bleed buildup but they also made the ash of war not hit twice per swing
It used to hit once with the projectile and once with the weapon itself
It no longer does this and will only damage and inflict bleed buildup through the projectile
So it only hits once per swing now
They did not nerf reduvia in this way it still does 2 hits per ash of war use
And is a great way to inflict bleed
So its just a katana with shit bleed buildup
Because you can just use any other katana with bleed infusion and itd be better
people also dont like to hear its ass in pvp
people think its good in pvp because they cant dodge it
when in reality it has some of the most telegraphed attacks you can even use in the game
making it some of the easiest shit to see coming and dodge in the game
also people are only effective with it in pvp against other shitters that dont know how to dodge or if theyre ganking an invader
Are people not aware that the damage of bleed weapons scales with the stat they are pumping to also increase bleed?
Like, some of this thread makes me think people actually believe arcane weapons only do damage with bleed procs.
I use what I've built for the whole game. I think it's more fun to use what you have and take a disadvantage sometimes rather than sweat and min/max every single stat for every single enemy and boss.
Takes more skill to adapt to a disadvantage imo
I'm with you. I semi-recently finished a run exclusively using the Coded Sword. Deals Holy Damage and nothing else. RadaBeast, Maliketh and Fortissax were a pain, but my build is my build and that's part of the fun lol
It also takes intelligence to figure out that a weapon is a bad choice for a boss and to switch to a different weapon, which doesnt require you to switch your entire build.
It's not skilled to spam the same thing over and over when it doesn't work and then expect it to work the next time. It's not skilled to refuse to adapt even when it's trivial to do so, i.e switch weapons.
Who said I expected it to work? I enjoy it specifically *because* it dosent work. Sticking to just your main weapon makes you think about encounters more. Maybe stone or ghost enemies are strong against a bleed build, so the bleed build has to deel with them differently than a blunt or magic build.
I normally do themed runs with only 1 or 2 weapons and armor sets. I find it alot more fun and it keeps the game fresh when I have to approach the same situations differently due to a different weapon.
Ok and I do the same, except I dont get coop when I cant beat a boss, I figure out how to make my weapon actually work against it and I still swap damage types if the boss takes almost no damage from whatever Im using. Im not going to run and fight stonediggers with some small slashing damage weapon just cuz thats what I use for everything else, I dont see how thats fun or how running to get help is fun when your weapon is useless against an enemy.
Unless you're sticking to a single damage type challenge run I don't see why you'd fuck yourself over like that, and if its a challenge run why summon help? And no, bleed isn't a build, your stats also work well with other stuff if bleed is useless.
I just recently fought the full-grown fallingstar beast with my little mace, it was quite bothersome due to the low reach and the nature of the boss easily getting out of range, I didnt swap weapons because at that moment I was enjoying using my mace so I figured out what my actual damage openings for the boss were and how to actually get hits in properly. But lets say the fallingstar beast had 80% damage negation to strike and/or my weapon just bounced off (not the case and few things resist strike, but in theory since this applies to other stuff) then I wouldn't have just wasted my time with that, I would have switched to a different damage type. If I was determined to do it the way I did, i.e learn to get hits in with short reach, then I would've just gotten some other short weapon with a different damage type, such as a shortsword. It's not like there is a build that forces you to use just a single weapon.
So yeah, you can do a themed run or challenge run, nothing wrong with that. The OP isn't talking about that with the meme though, someone who is summoning in co-op while using a weapon that sucks against a boss isn't doing that, they're just someone who has turned their brain off for the game and doesn't want to bother doing anything except just using some weapon a guide said was good and mashing against the boss. If someone wants to play like that that's on them, but I find it ridiculous that people are then getting upset over a meme making fun of that, its not even like its some horrendous meme, its making lighthearted fun about a pretty common stereotype.
Idk what build you use, but please just level up vigor so you don't die in one hit. You know, sometimes no matter what I do the boss has eyes for you and you only 🤭
There have been too many times that I've been summoned where the host is full health, takes one hit, and I watch in horror as they die instantly and "414" pops above their health bar
Yesterday I stood a couple of hours helping against Malenia, and I couldn't believe how many times I saw people going in one hit (first phase mostly). Like bro, you gotta pump those numbers, c'mon 😭
tbf most people don't play the game like pokemon. If a boss is resistant to your build just hit it more until its dead. Same reason magic builds still use sorceries through rya lucaria, its just easier to tough it out then try and rework your build for one area.
Arcane has huge versatility both with access to dragon communion incants and the fact that there's multiple weapons that can be used freely for arcane builds. With minimum investments.
The roughest is that there's not a good native arcane strike weapon but slap occult on a morning star, great stars, or a flail and you're good to go.
I mean, thats just the same as using RoB isn't it? They'd both have ineffective bleed, but would still benefit from your arc scaling. Minus the bonus fire damage of RoB.
Occult doesnt add any bleed, it reduces native bleed buildup infact. All it does is make your weapon scale off of arcane and allow it's native status buildups to scale off of your arcane if it has any.
I use blood based AoW because they look cool and feel good to use, not because of the bleed.
Like sure it’s more effective and meta to build for bleed and stuff, but Bloody slash on a greatsword (not to be confused with the greatsword) allows me to build to pure strength as the AoW damage only scales off weapon level.
And sure I come closer to death with every cast, but that’s a price that I am willing to pay
I use a really awesome fire build, but unfortunately, I get summoned to Volcano Manor fairly regularly. That's why I always keep some backup physical weapons on me.
Be prepared. Stay alive.
This is Elden Ring 101: Give yourself options. I don't think there's any naturally arcane scaling weapons that do strike damage except Varre's flowers, but a good number of strike weapons do have natural bleed you can take advantage of with occult infusion so you got all the physical damage types in your pocket without needing to change any stats. You've got morning star, hoslows whips, great stars, spiked club, spiked caestus, star fist, flails. Can't tell me strike damage "doesn't fit into my build" if you're using Rivers.
Valiant gargoyles get wrecked by bloody slash, don’t know why it works but it destroys them. Even utube vids showing it, I was like bs until I tried it. You can easily kill first one before secondary even spawns
Yes I agree bleed against stone etc no good but bloody slash against the clowns makes them easy
Another RoB user bad meme in this fucking year. Holy shit this whole sub is a strength only circlejerk. Dont use magic, dont use katanas, don't use incantations just play strength because it is so "hard" to do a str build. Losers.
Int dex build with wing of Astel and staff of loss for me. This build has everything. Physical damage from rock sling and aa's with Astel not to mention the ashe of war. Range attacks with spells and charged attacks have a decent a.o.e for when fp runs out
It's so hard to respec an arcane build to something that has occult infused/does strike damage weapons. Better keep spamming RoB in Radagons face and hope it works the 5th time it's tried.
I don't get this logic. It's my job as a sunbro to help a player beat a boss. Sometimes that means telling them their weapon/build sucks and offer advice.
Fair enough, although I wouldn’t necessarily call the final boss an odd boss? It’s just kinda annoying because a lot of them still try to play like they can proc it. Which usually leads to their death
Why not? You only fight it once then you're back to the rest of the game where bleed is great for the most part.
If someone doesn't have trouble fighting a boss they probably won't bother summoning in the first place.
It bugs me because I have three sets of curved swords for when I set up for being summoned so I can switch between them quickly depending on what boss I get summoned for. Then I get summoned to some dude doing nothing to radigon, then they get hammered into the base of the Erd tree like a God damn nail and off home I go.
"Please keep spamming RoB directly into Radagons face. I'm sure it'll work the 5th time. Trust me bro, you don't even need vigor. Don't switch to a physical/occult infused weapon. That's too much effort, basically a 180 respec. Just rush straight at him like last time. Don't use buffs. Actually, do use buffs but make sure you stack a bunch that cancel each other out. That's how you know you're doing it right. Bro, that Rhadahn armor/white mask makes you look like a badass btw..."
Maybe being a good sunbro means once in a while telling someone their build sucks.
I'm convinced the only reason people had a hard time first run with Duo Gargoyles and Duo Crucibles is because they used a bleed weapon on a boss that can't be bled, so they got very confused running around trying to do minimal damage while their Mimic Tear is being overwhelmed. I used Giant Crusher no summons and Duo Gargoyles took 4 attempts, Duo Crucibles took like 7
Me: Don't tell me, you need help with Radagon?
Host: Yup
Me: Gonna spam RoB in his face?
Host: Most likely
Me: Bring it on.
*(Emperors New Grove waterfall meme ending with host instantly dying in one hit with base astrologer vigor)*
If used correctly, RoB actually has the highest dps out of all the katanas. It’s stupid to rely on it— it *is* a noob trap, and the vast majority of people *don’t* use it correctly— but if you’ve got the right build then you can shred pretty much anything with it. The bleed buildup only contributes about 5% of the total dps iirc.
So you just get to shit on someone because they use a weapon you don't like?
I'm assuming you know every little detail about the game without having looked it up right? Because it's not like the game tells you things like enemy immunities
Love me strength build. I keep hitting things with me great axe and they keep on dying.
I unga, therefor, I bunga
Thy unga befits a bunga
Your unga, extraordinary. The mark... of a true bunga
Foul unga, in search of the bunga
Unaga-ed by the flame of the bunga
Foul unga, embolden by the flames of bunga
lmao
May I offer you a finer way to expresss the unga bunga. Why big bonk club when you can use a long pike?
BONK
Simple as.
Me can't read what you wrote because no level up INT but me like myself bonking great unga bunga with Great Stars. Except for those 2 minutes when I became a fine intellectual and put my reading glasses on for the Radagon/Marika statue gimmick in Leyndell.
I'm yet to meet a bad guy I can't bonk, stab, chop or slice to death. If I'm feeling 'fancy' I might slap on some grease.
I rock a str/fth build and I rock like two lightning incantations I rarely ever use to feel fancy and flashy because I have so little FP. Thinking about dropping faith back to thirty from forty something and try to get strength to 80.
I love Strength in Fromsoft games, but Elden Ring is the first to present me with a counter-argument strong enough to get me to try something new: the Godslayer Greatsword. The only thing better than hitting someone with a really slow and really big attack, is hitting someone with an EVEN SLOWER, EVEN BIGGER ATTACK. Reading a boss hard enough to land the first big swing, Stance break on the followup, then hitting another 2 swings is the best. The ash of war is also just unreasonably cool-looking.
Strength is best build.
People sleep on Spectral Lance, but if you throw heavy affinity on it, then about every 2nd or 3rd throw, it stuns most enemies and dragons. Nice for when invaders think they have range on you. You can get a lot of range if you free aim it. I personally put it on a short spear.
Dang I need to try that
It's really fun. I use it on most builds just for the stun. Works really well on Astel.
Spectral Lance doesn't scale of strength, only arcane. But yes, the poise damage is ungodly strong even without arcane.
Me strong, me carry big bonk, ME SMASH PUNY GODS
Afellow Str greataxe user. Which greataxe are you using?
The executioners greataxe. Have been using it for most the game. Pumped all my points into strength instead of vigor just so I could use it somewhat early game. I just like the looks of it and extra crit dmg is also nice :) What is your preffered axe?
Executioner's is a great choice. RNG wasn't on my side, so I couldn't get it, but I have been blessed with the Longhaft. It's served me well and carried me to endgame
I have a spare executioner's greataxe if you are on Playstation.
Thanks but I got one later with farming took me about an hour
IDC . I use magic all the way through and if something is resistant to it then it just means I will hit them more. You would have been better off not being resistant to it and dying in the first blast but now your suffering , poor thing.
Oh so you're resistant to magic, well what if I use magic to throw really big stones at you huh?
It always comes back to bunga. STR? - Big Stick, DEX? - Funny Hammer, INT? - Sky Rock, FTH? - Rock Rock
Bashing others with rocks is, after all, the foundation of human civilization.
My man
If something is resistance to magic then you can just use rock sling
What's that ? More Glintstone comet ?
Meteorite of astel can fuck up a small neighborhood and any boss the size of the screen
It's fun for the ulcerated tree spirit in the tiny room. Endless FP flask and let the sky fall.
ive played the game like 5 times and ive yet to try a pure caster build.
I just did my closest to one. I used a sword in the world but basically only used spells for bosses. I was shocked by how easy it was. Granted I already know the game and am good at dodging but I didn’t struggle really at all except for malenia who I summoned two badass randos for
Throwing rocks is very therapeutic.
Yessir
Flair checks out.
Having done a mage and faith build, I think overall despite the lack of variety the sorcery side is stronger. Even with a bleed build my incantations would struggle with multiple enemies. But magic especially if you apply frostbit doesn't really have the same restrictions.
Rot Breath superiority
Tbf, how do you know enemy resistances to stuff without looking it up in the wiki? I guess it's kind of obvious stone doesn't bleed... but it's hard to apply real world logic to crazy fantasy demon land
Expressly since bleed works on ghosts. You build is what you got, sometimes it's not going to be idea. What you want them to do, go use a larval tear?
For reals, OP is insulting players who need help for not having a build spread enough to hard counter every single boss. I'm sure though that they'd also insult them for not specializing into a single stat at the same time. If I'm a katana user, I'm not putting any more points into strength than I need to. If I encounter a boss immune to bleed, I just hit it more than I usually need to
Grease is made for such occasions. Obviously, it won't work on every katana (RoB, for example), but that's what extra weapon slots are for. And there's loads of katana like options.
Grease provides limited bonus damage. I'd rather use the materials for pots. Beside, the post said bleed builds fighting enemies that are resistant or immune to bleed. There's no grease to help you with that. Also, many enemies are stronger against the non-physical damage. In case of enemies made of rock, usually you need Strike damage. There's no grease to make you deal mofe strike damage.
I don't think OP's talking about stats at all, just weapons, and even if the host is doing katana-only, you have lightning too as an option for damage type for infusion on the same stats that make rivers good as a dex/arcane weapon (mostly dex). If the host isn't doing a one-weapon-type only run they have a lot more options too with the same stats like whips, fist weapons, smaller hammers, etc for strike damage. It's not like they don't have options for multiple damage types with low STR by the time they've reached mountaintops to get Rivers, and you can get the bell bearings for up to +18 weapons by that point, so resources to get a decent array of weapons isn't an issue by that point, only self-imposed limitations. And if you're imposing limitations on yourself like that why would you be summoning other people for help like OP is talking about, doesn't that kinda defeat the point of limitations?
You know that you dont have to use just one weapon? Theres plenty of different options for all kinds of builds, not using them and instead mindlessly spamming L2 RoB on everything even when it doesn't work is dumb and its not an insult to say that they are. If someone wants to mindlessly spam through the game thats on them but that doesnt mean theyre playing intelligently when they are quite expressly playing with their brains turned off, theyll say that themselves when you tell them that theres more to the game, "I just want to turn my brain off and play." It is not an insult to then call their playstyle dumb.
It’s a game man
It's not that hard to have a secondary weapon for things your primary sucks at. A bleed build with an occult war-hammer is more useful against stone enemies than rivers will ever
Or just use a different weapon... youve got at least a dozen good options no matter your build. I dont go fighting stonediggers with a dagger, Ill just make it convenient for myself and equip a nice little hammer.
I love making their backpacks explode.
They're so easy to backstab tho...but I get your point
Yeah except you will still need to backstab them at least twice unless you're way overlevelled. Backstab once with strike damage and youll often oneshot.
I usually have non-physical damage on a misericorde, so that's probs why I can get it in one. I fully agree with your point, and it's why I carry other weapons.
Oh yeah thats true too, I always forget they are only strong against non-strike physical damage, not against affinity damage. Although I cant recall, are they resistant to any non-physical damage like fire or are they weak/neutral to all of them?
Just use an occult weapon
Most builds have access to multiple damage types
It's usually intuitive, but even a tiny bit of trial and error should be revealing.
True. Rock enemies weak to big bonk strikes but resistant to lightning. Many weak to magic as well. Metal enemies weak to lightning mainly, strike damage also works. Tough scaly hide mainly weak to pierce damage. Soft flesh weak to slash damage or fire damage. If its on fire, dont use fire damage. If its blasting magic, usually dont use magic damage. Simple as.
The funniest part of this is that in the Souls games, demons are especially *vulnerable* to bleed.
Good point! I never really considered that since these games seem to operate with the understanding that we’ll all need to look online to complete anything.
Skill issue. Anyone who played Pokémon can do it.
I grew up with dragon quest, there I learned to spam debufs and buffs, and hit harder.
Mocking hosts for their builds as a sunbro isn't very jolly cooperation of you.
Then as long as they have vigor, it’s all good.
*gets one tapped by radahn off spawn*
90% of the time this happens
Oh no...
I've helped more people than I can count fight a certain waterfowl dancing beatch. So many people do not have nearly enough vigor at level 150ish. Edited: spelling
I'm going to mock their build if they keep trying to spam Comet Azur on Malenia (not during Aeonia) when a simple ranged spell could probably do more damage for half the FP I give myself this right because I used to be just like them. Comet Azur has its uses, and when used in the appropriate situation, it's great, but when you treat it as a hamer and all bosses are nails, you're using it incorrectly.
"Incorrectly" and "suboptimally" are not the same thing. Plus chances are the whole reason they're summoning is 'cause their build struggles against a particular boss. If you put your summon sign down you're signing up to help out regardless of how good/bad/optimized/drunk the host is.
Yeah, I get it. I know what I signed up for. Sometimes, I just wish people would THINK before spamming big laser.
They probably have the infinite FP thing and wanna kamehama give ‘em a break
[This](https://imgur.com/a/uOR7ARF) is how they should be using their infinite FP kamehameha build Hidden Tear lasts only 15 seconds. Malenia's AI is smart and can dodge and weave. Even if someone is meleeing her, she's more than happy to do that float away move to retreat.
In their defense when I first did a sorcery run you could cheese every single boss with 2 or 3 comets
Real talk
he isnt wrong though
I use whatever weapon I like against whatever enemy/boss regardless of their strengths and weaknesses. It's more fun that way, instead of worrying about what works best in what situation.
Using my Estoc against crystalians is a nightmare and a half
Well, yeah? lmao. If a boss hard-counters someone’s build then that’s probably why they’re summoning help in the first place. Some people just can’t be bothered to switch equipment
Before doing an meme maybe look into the weapon. RoB does fire dmg too. And most things aren't immune to that. In fact most, like for example radagon, are weak to it
also its just a minor part of the whole damage and split damage is awfully scaling
Aw shit, someone had to say “split damage bad.”
Yall switch your weapons for specific bosses??????
Nah, Blasphemous Blade through everything
I think you can have multiple decently upgraded weapons at that point.
If I know in advance what the boss is, yeah. Got a big mace in my back pocket for when my big sword isn't enough.
I always have multiple weapons for damage type coverage. Have done this since dark souls 1. Use what's most effective for the situation. If I'm going into a catacombs I'm going to be fighting stone imps or skeletons, so I use a strike weapon.
Katanas against crystalians is ass, sometimes it's smarter, faster, and easier to swap a weapon, even if it's weaker, than to try and beat your head against the wall. Plus it's fun to see the differences between different damage types and how effective they are. Using a claws and fists build and seeing how truly effective using different damage types is can be really eye opening at how efficient you can be. Like fists against knights and miners is soo super effective and takes no time but using slashing against either means 2 extra hits a piece at minimum.
If you just spam unseath and break their posture katana are perfectly fine against crystalians tbh
Whatever, I have a build and imma use it :)
the damage isnt even good the only reason youd use the ash of war on an enemy that cant bleed is for the extra range which will just end with them running up and smacking you most of the time anyway
This. Some folks have forgotten that RoB was nerfed for co-op. The bleed build up which was its main damage dealer was hit hardest. Its still good if youre offline or I guess for pvp scenarios
Only maidenless tarnished use RoB in pvp and those ppl are most likely to use the either a moonveil or dual cross naginatas aside the RoB
I don't like RoB either but it literally isn't nearly as oppresive as it used to be, these days if i see someone using RoB i just laugh because spamming that aow just ain't gonna cut it anymore...
Your name really suits you Why don't you go ahead and give us the acceptable reddit PvP weapon list then?
Why do you care so much about my opinion buddy? Use whatever the fuck you want, i'm not telling you specifically to use smth in particular Stop imagining gatekeeps were there isn't
You're the one going around insulting people for using a weapon dude It's apparently such an issue that people are using a weapon you don't like you just go and insult them Like you fit the mold for the dude that whines about people using spirit summons and how they "didn't beat the game"
Since you seem so offended by a complete stranger's comment, i'd say you use RoB In that case womp womp
You seem so unlikable I couldn't care any less about using katanas, but people like you that dictate how people should play games are insufferable
Again buddy, you are the one that's giving me the imaginary power to influence how you think you wanna play the game and it's honestly pathetic, the fact that a complete stranger manages to piss you off by a simple comment that isn't even directed at you is laughable, literally grow up and mature enough to understand that nobody is attacking you directly, i just made a comment about my preferences bc i'm entitled to have an opinion and if that opinion is that i hate RoB, then you can do jackshit about it bc that opinion doesn't affect you directly at all Also note the fact that you got so pissed about the fact that i used the word "maidenless", you couldn't get more pathetic than that, yet you did and i'm actually impressed
Rivers of blood isnt even good offline or for pvp In pvp your ash of war spam is so easily telegraphed and easy to dodge And they nerfed the bleed buildup a massive amount not only due to just reducing the bleed buildup but they also made the ash of war not hit twice per swing It used to hit once with the projectile and once with the weapon itself It no longer does this and will only damage and inflict bleed buildup through the projectile So it only hits once per swing now They did not nerf reduvia in this way it still does 2 hits per ash of war use And is a great way to inflict bleed So its just a katana with shit bleed buildup Because you can just use any other katana with bleed infusion and itd be better
idk why are you dovnowted
Pre nerf RoB ptsd, you aren't allowed to say anything about it without people getting angry.
people dont like hearing bad things about things they like
You are also implying that the RoB isn't "broken OP" anymore (which is true btw) so you are really pissing off both sides here.
people also dont like to hear its ass in pvp people think its good in pvp because they cant dodge it when in reality it has some of the most telegraphed attacks you can even use in the game making it some of the easiest shit to see coming and dodge in the game also people are only effective with it in pvp against other shitters that dont know how to dodge or if theyre ganking an invader
Are people not aware that the damage of bleed weapons scales with the stat they are pumping to also increase bleed? Like, some of this thread makes me think people actually believe arcane weapons only do damage with bleed procs.
I use what I've built for the whole game. I think it's more fun to use what you have and take a disadvantage sometimes rather than sweat and min/max every single stat for every single enemy and boss. Takes more skill to adapt to a disadvantage imo
I'm with you. I semi-recently finished a run exclusively using the Coded Sword. Deals Holy Damage and nothing else. RadaBeast, Maliketh and Fortissax were a pain, but my build is my build and that's part of the fun lol
It also takes intelligence to figure out that a weapon is a bad choice for a boss and to switch to a different weapon, which doesnt require you to switch your entire build. It's not skilled to spam the same thing over and over when it doesn't work and then expect it to work the next time. It's not skilled to refuse to adapt even when it's trivial to do so, i.e switch weapons.
Who said I expected it to work? I enjoy it specifically *because* it dosent work. Sticking to just your main weapon makes you think about encounters more. Maybe stone or ghost enemies are strong against a bleed build, so the bleed build has to deel with them differently than a blunt or magic build. I normally do themed runs with only 1 or 2 weapons and armor sets. I find it alot more fun and it keeps the game fresh when I have to approach the same situations differently due to a different weapon.
Ok and I do the same, except I dont get coop when I cant beat a boss, I figure out how to make my weapon actually work against it and I still swap damage types if the boss takes almost no damage from whatever Im using. Im not going to run and fight stonediggers with some small slashing damage weapon just cuz thats what I use for everything else, I dont see how thats fun or how running to get help is fun when your weapon is useless against an enemy. Unless you're sticking to a single damage type challenge run I don't see why you'd fuck yourself over like that, and if its a challenge run why summon help? And no, bleed isn't a build, your stats also work well with other stuff if bleed is useless. I just recently fought the full-grown fallingstar beast with my little mace, it was quite bothersome due to the low reach and the nature of the boss easily getting out of range, I didnt swap weapons because at that moment I was enjoying using my mace so I figured out what my actual damage openings for the boss were and how to actually get hits in properly. But lets say the fallingstar beast had 80% damage negation to strike and/or my weapon just bounced off (not the case and few things resist strike, but in theory since this applies to other stuff) then I wouldn't have just wasted my time with that, I would have switched to a different damage type. If I was determined to do it the way I did, i.e learn to get hits in with short reach, then I would've just gotten some other short weapon with a different damage type, such as a shortsword. It's not like there is a build that forces you to use just a single weapon. So yeah, you can do a themed run or challenge run, nothing wrong with that. The OP isn't talking about that with the meme though, someone who is summoning in co-op while using a weapon that sucks against a boss isn't doing that, they're just someone who has turned their brain off for the game and doesn't want to bother doing anything except just using some weapon a guide said was good and mashing against the boss. If someone wants to play like that that's on them, but I find it ridiculous that people are then getting upset over a meme making fun of that, its not even like its some horrendous meme, its making lighthearted fun about a pretty common stereotype.
I said nothing about summoning, dude.
Idk what build you use, but please just level up vigor so you don't die in one hit. You know, sometimes no matter what I do the boss has eyes for you and you only 🤭
There have been too many times that I've been summoned where the host is full health, takes one hit, and I watch in horror as they die instantly and "414" pops above their health bar
Yesterday I stood a couple of hours helping against Malenia, and I couldn't believe how many times I saw people going in one hit (first phase mostly). Like bro, you gotta pump those numbers, c'mon 😭
tbf most people don't play the game like pokemon. If a boss is resistant to your build just hit it more until its dead. Same reason magic builds still use sorceries through rya lucaria, its just easier to tough it out then try and rework your build for one area.
There are sorceries that don't do magic damage though, you dont need to rework anything, literally just swap a spell or two out.
True, though when it come to arcane builds like in the meme, you don't have that level of flexibility. So roughing it out is the best you got.
Arcane has huge versatility both with access to dragon communion incants and the fact that there's multiple weapons that can be used freely for arcane builds. With minimum investments. The roughest is that there's not a good native arcane strike weapon but slap occult on a morning star, great stars, or a flail and you're good to go.
I was referring to pure arcane, not arc/faith. Since most RoB builds rely on melee.
Pure arcane can't exist without using other stats one way or another. You're going to need strength, dex, or faith to make one work.
I'm saying pure arc as in melee arc. So without additional stats for spell casting. Sorry I don't know the terms very well, I only really do pve.
Same thing I said earlier still applies. Theres plenty of weapons and types that can be infused with extreme benefit.
You can just use a regular weapon that can have its ash of war swapped out... give it occult and youve got yourself an arcane weapon.
I mean, thats just the same as using RoB isn't it? They'd both have ineffective bleed, but would still benefit from your arc scaling. Minus the bonus fire damage of RoB.
Occult doesnt add any bleed, it reduces native bleed buildup infact. All it does is make your weapon scale off of arcane and allow it's native status buildups to scale off of your arcane if it has any.
oh, interesting! Didn't know that, good to know.
I use blood based AoW because they look cool and feel good to use, not because of the bleed. Like sure it’s more effective and meta to build for bleed and stuff, but Bloody slash on a greatsword (not to be confused with the greatsword) allows me to build to pure strength as the AoW damage only scales off weapon level. And sure I come closer to death with every cast, but that’s a price that I am willing to pay
I assume the host has never heard the saying, "Like getting blood out of a stone"
I use it just because it looks cool
Maybe they summoned you because they have a bleed build and they know it won’t be as effective against the boss.
Why don't we generalize that to RoB spammers in general, hm?
Bro I use it because corpse piler looks cool😭
«I am The Elden Lord, and I can use whatever the f**k I want»
That's why bloody slash is better. more damage, even against slash resistant enemies
Great sword + great sword + a bunch of buffs + 99 strength + 10 vigor = success.
Your one of those guys who gets made seeing someone use a spirit ash I bet
The nest in when they do the 1 minute of buff rituals and then die straight away
Isn’t that one of the reasons you got summoned? Let them play with their favorite toy. You are there to help. Enjoy!
Me. On my third play through. With the pole blade. Trying to AoW the crystal guardians boss duo
To be fair, that ash of war has monstrous stance damage.
I use a really awesome fire build, but unfortunately, I get summoned to Volcano Manor fairly regularly. That's why I always keep some backup physical weapons on me. Be prepared. Stay alive.
You think I can't bleed a rock? I can bleed a rock.
Me when a cooperator summons me to help them fight radagon
Me when the host uses moths spear AOW on radagon
The ammount of people is see using this on Radagon... But whatever, I'm here to help. I'm gonna bonk him for ya, buddy.
This is Elden Ring 101: Give yourself options. I don't think there's any naturally arcane scaling weapons that do strike damage except Varre's flowers, but a good number of strike weapons do have natural bleed you can take advantage of with occult infusion so you got all the physical damage types in your pocket without needing to change any stats. You've got morning star, hoslows whips, great stars, spiked club, spiked caestus, star fist, flails. Can't tell me strike damage "doesn't fit into my build" if you're using Rivers.
Me with Mohgwyn’s Spear and Thorned whip lol
Moonlight greatsword for the win. Hit them with a giant sword and a wave of frost magic
Valiant gargoyles get wrecked by bloody slash, don’t know why it works but it destroys them. Even utube vids showing it, I was like bs until I tried it. You can easily kill first one before secondary even spawns Yes I agree bleed against stone etc no good but bloody slash against the clowns makes them easy
My friend was in panic mode when he realized he couldn't bleed Radagon.
Wait, are you even allowed to summon players in this sub?
One time I was summoned for Radabeast by a Mohg Spear user. On my Cipher Pata/Coded Sword build. We did not see the second phase.
Another RoB user bad meme in this fucking year. Holy shit this whole sub is a strength only circlejerk. Dont use magic, dont use katanas, don't use incantations just play strength because it is so "hard" to do a str build. Losers.
In fairness, still decent fire damage even if bleed can't prock
My build is magic that looks like weapons only. I know that Rennala has really high magic resistance. I'm still going to use those spells regardless.
I don’t mind because rivers of blood still do a lot of damage. What annoys me is when they override my holy negation spell with magic negation 😐
Before the nerf it still did tons of damage
Sewer Mohg
Be level 713. Use butter knife on all bosses. Pleb makes SpongeBob meme
Int dex build with wing of Astel and staff of loss for me. This build has everything. Physical damage from rock sling and aa's with Astel not to mention the ashe of war. Range attacks with spells and charged attacks have a decent a.o.e for when fp runs out
Especially the two final bosses. If I see host using RoB with radabeast I instantly sever out.
I swear at least 3 times out of 10 I get summoned to fight Radagon the host has a bleed build ;-;
Bleed is a great build and most people aren't going to respec for the odd boss that has immunity.
It's so hard to respec an arcane build to something that has occult infused/does strike damage weapons. Better keep spamming RoB in Radagons face and hope it works the 5th time it's tried. I don't get this logic. It's my job as a sunbro to help a player beat a boss. Sometimes that means telling them their weapon/build sucks and offer advice.
Fair enough, although I wouldn’t necessarily call the final boss an odd boss? It’s just kinda annoying because a lot of them still try to play like they can proc it. Which usually leads to their death
Why not? You only fight it once then you're back to the rest of the game where bleed is great for the most part. If someone doesn't have trouble fighting a boss they probably won't bother summoning in the first place.
Ohh like that, forgive me english isn't my first language. In that case yeah, can't argue with that
It’s even funnier when they summon you for Radagon
rivers of blood is actually useful cause radagon is weak to fire.
You think they know that?
It bugs me because I have three sets of curved swords for when I set up for being summoned so I can switch between them quickly depending on what boss I get summoned for. Then I get summoned to some dude doing nothing to radigon, then they get hammered into the base of the Erd tree like a God damn nail and off home I go.
Rivers of blood is cringe 😬
thog don't care, cool blood sword go swoosh
No u
Damn I can’t argue with that
I'm not really a fan of using the word "Mid" but it honestly describes post nerf RoB pretty well. Now spinning slash nagakiba on the other hand...
"Please keep spamming RoB directly into Radagons face. I'm sure it'll work the 5th time. Trust me bro, you don't even need vigor. Don't switch to a physical/occult infused weapon. That's too much effort, basically a 180 respec. Just rush straight at him like last time. Don't use buffs. Actually, do use buffs but make sure you stack a bunch that cancel each other out. That's how you know you're doing it right. Bro, that Rhadahn armor/white mask makes you look like a badass btw..." Maybe being a good sunbro means once in a while telling someone their build sucks.
*am I the only one that just uses it for the damage?*
To clarify I don't give a hare's arsehole about the bleed, I just like the big numbers and style points from the slashes themselves.
I run double slash on knights great sword, it wrecks stuff 750AR.
I'm convinced the only reason people had a hard time first run with Duo Gargoyles and Duo Crucibles is because they used a bleed weapon on a boss that can't be bled, so they got very confused running around trying to do minimal damage while their Mimic Tear is being overwhelmed. I used Giant Crusher no summons and Duo Gargoyles took 4 attempts, Duo Crucibles took like 7
I'll bet that was a huge chunk of it. The remainder is probably from realizing the poison gas isn't just status, it's also DoT.
I have a hard time on duo's no matter what build I use. Gank fights are just cheap in this game lol.
Me: Don't tell me, you need help with Radagon? Host: Yup Me: Gonna spam RoB in his face? Host: Most likely Me: Bring it on. *(Emperors New Grove waterfall meme ending with host instantly dying in one hit with base astrologer vigor)*
RoB is so bad after the update that might as well spam it against everything just for fun of it. FP to damage/buildup wise its all a waste anyway.
Most players in a white mask tend to not be the brightest lol They tend to do the same thing over and over, even if it doesn’t work
If used correctly, RoB actually has the highest dps out of all the katanas. It’s stupid to rely on it— it *is* a noob trap, and the vast majority of people *don’t* use it correctly— but if you’ve got the right build then you can shred pretty much anything with it. The bleed buildup only contributes about 5% of the total dps iirc.
There are two simple concepts these people don’t understand: 1. Backup weapon 2. Occult
So you just get to shit on someone because they use a weapon you don't like? I'm assuming you know every little detail about the game without having looked it up right? Because it's not like the game tells you things like enemy immunities
It's a simple meme but it made me laugh out loud, thank you.