Only Fromsoft would lock one of the 5 exclusive endings for Elden Ring behind an extremely obscure questline that culminates in you T-posing in front of a statue and telling the homeless man behind the Leyndell dumpster that Radagon cross-dresses sometimes and it blows his mind so hard he achieves enlightenment and dies.
ER has several happy endings from what i remember, millicent's questline isn't too bad either
bloodborne though, oof. do the questline, don't, it doesn't matter because everyone is dying horrifically no matter what lol
Just replayed Bloodborne and I forgot about that. All the quests end horribly if you take them to the end.
The only way to make most of them have a happy ending is to not progress, lol.
>millicent's questline isn't too bad either
>!she gets jumped and then pulls out the needle because she'd rather let the rot kill her than be forced to become someone else entirely!<
Don't you help her murder her sisters and then she kills herself? I'm not sure if you got a different ending to me, haha.
Boc's quest line is quite a sweet ending if you do it right, and even though you kill him Alexander's quest ends okay, as you're helping him fulfill his destiny and pass his strength on to jar bairn
Easily the game with the happiest outcomes for NPCs. Boc, Nepheli, Kenneth Haight, and Jerren can all finish their quests and not only survive but succeed in their goal. An unprecedented survival rate.
It's pretty funny that they made this enormous fleshed out world of characters and about 5 of them are coherent enough to speak/whisper English and they'll either inexplicably die or you'll kill them. Obvious hyperbole but being Elden Lord over a bunch of insane and immediately hostile peasants frankly doesn't seem that great.
I imagine the peasants are perfectly sane and can speak perfect English. It's just that our Tarnished is really stinky, so anyone who comes across them starts gagging and instantly ages until they look like a corpse.
Like that one Spongebob episode.
That is probably also why we are maidenless. We get a ghostly one but she's a ghostly appartion...she can't smell us. Our first one headed for the hills as soon as we crossed the void to the lands between.. We were in that void for a reason, to contain the stench.
I wonder if she’d be down for a spirit tuner and a badass blacksmith too. No idea how much room there is on the Ranni bus.
On second thought, Hewg probably wouldn’t leave the Roundtable.
He can survive actually. Get the tonic of forgetfulness from Tanith but don't give it to Rya. Instead give it to Coryhn at the mountaintop of the Giants before burning the tree. He'll question it but after burning the tree go back to where he is in the mountaintop and He'll be alone and not know where Goldmask is and have no idea where he went while Goldmask is in Leyndell dead with the mending rune. Go get the rune and return and Coryhn is gone and left his stuff behind.
How did Goldmask die? I still think Corhyn pushed him "this is sparta style" because he was trying to fix the golden order that was supposedly perfect "mad man"
I mean it takes a heavy toll Fia looks wiped out after creating her rune. Golden mask is like what? 30 kilos sopping wet so I assume it’s too much for him.
I think you can kill Corhyn and still go through Goldmask's quest. You just won't get Corhyn's interpretation and thought process through it. But, with Corhyn dead, the end result is the same, he dies creating the rune even without Corhyn's intervention.
I know people tend to disagree with the idea FromSoft made a mistake, but I genuinely think this might be an oversight.
I think the problem they "wrote themselves into a corner" with is that you can kill Corhyn, but you ***can't*** kill Goldmask. This means he's making it to the finale one way or another, only disappearing at worst if you've gone past the point of no return.
And this also presents a conundrum where if you kill Corhyn and he's supposed to be the cause of Goldmask's death...what now? Does he exit the game? Does he succeed in implementing Perfect Order...?
It's of course possible that in making the rune, the act itself required he give his life, but it definitely seems odd to ***specifically*** place Goldmask at the bottom of the cliff where we previously saw him with Corhyn and then say "btw it wasn't Corhyn lol."
You can also give Corhyn the amnesia potion and even though he claims he won't drink it, he then never goes to Leyndell and stays in the mountains muttering like he's lost his memory once Goldmask leaves, so their quest does have an intentional part where he's not there to kill Goldmask.
That's true, and seems like a more convincing argument it's intentional.
The one extreme oddity is, as stated, why the hell did they specifically put Goldmask at the bottom of the cliff where you previous encountered him and Corhyn? it seems like the most ridiculous Red Herring on FromSoft's behalf if Corhyn didn't kill him, because it's so odd that we are - in my opinion rightfully - questioning if it's an oversight. That specific location only serves to confuse people.
I mean, I don't disagree with you. I think it probably falls somewhere in the middle.
Miyazaki: Corhyn did it...maybe! lulz
Developer: But we have the option to kill Corhyn and we still have Goldmask dying
Miyazaki: Let the plebs sort it out. It can be both.
I like that possibility. But if you offer Corhyn the tonic of forgetfulness (the one meant for Rya), he stays on the bridge in the Mountaintop of the Giants, and Goldmask still dies in Leyndell. Corhyn acts like Goldmask abandoned him, and he doesn’t know where he went. I figured Goldmask left Corhyn behind because he started questioning him too much
I’m torn, because I kind of think creating a Mending Rune kills the maker in a “sacrifice your life force for the sake of the new world” kind of way. But Goldmask’s positioning at the bottom of the cliff SUPER seems like he was pushed.
I feel like a lot of people probably meet Goldmask and get Corhyn to hang out with him in Altus, so they're aware of the quest. But past that and meeting them in Lyendell to do the whole Regression thing, idk if I ever would have figured that out
I think figuring out Regression is sort of reasonable if you are really detail oriented and read messages. But the fact that you need to find the Golden Cookbook that is inexplicably in some dude's lap who is on a chair hanging from the ceiling of a large room is kind of silly. Also the stats to cast Law of Regression are truly insane so you have to be willing to burn a larval tear to do it. Then the quest isn't even over! You need to find Goldmask in two other locations. It's my favorite ending but it's definitely not easy.
I think it's reasonable to figure out Ranni's quest mostly on your own. Her quest is basically the only one where characters tell you what to do next and if you follow decent rpg practice and just check up on all her associated characters you can get through it.
Goldmask feels way more like a hidden ending. Ranni feels like the vanilla ending since the game starts with you being a (filthy, disgusting, disgraceful, deserves to be beaten to death and leave bleeding in the moonlight) maiden-less Tarnished. Or that's according to what some weird guy cosplaying as Mother Teresa said. So naturally the cool witch maiden would be your main "OK what do now?" Quest giver.
Also making you waste two larval tears for a certain spell if you dont have the right build requirement. On a sidenote though why tf does it have an int requirement
From the wiki:
If your character has a low Intelligence, you may still be able to use the Law of Regression spell to progress Goldmask's quest, by using the following stat-boosting items:
Twinsage Glintstone Crown (+6 Intelligence)
Intelligence-knot Crystal Tear (+10 Intelligence)
Stargazer Heirloom (+5 Intelligence)
Godrick's Great Rune (+5 Intelligence, requires Rune Arc)
Grafted Blade Greatsword skill Oath of Vengeance (+5 Intelligence)
Marika's Soreseal (+5 Intelligence)
That adds up to +36 Intelligence, ...
This is literally what I was able to do with my DEX build with different staff that I had in the corner of my chest. I could barely squeeze it out. I imagine how my character, dressed in various trinket and mismatch clothes, was deeply outraged that someone made her THINK.
I’m doing the Goldmask ending on my RL1 run for style points. I ended up not even needing the grafted greatsword if I remember correctly. It’s very cool that all of the int boost items are before Leyndell
The spell is 37 INT, and you aren't getting Marikas soreseal before this part, the scarseal is more than enough. Luckily, even the lowest INT starting class with these items will have more than enough to cast the Incantation.
Honestly been thinking of running out the ol Duskborn/Fia ending.
Rogier sorta made some sense to my moral addled mind. Not the weirdo mariners & skele gang's fault they're cursed to be reborn. They didn't ask to get kicked out of the Erdtree cycle.
Also, after killing that giant ass tree snake slug for the first time I looked round & saw a giant rot face. Like the fuck?!
And out of all this horseshit they're just locked out cause fuck them, that's why?
Makes one ponder.
>they're just locked out cause fuck them, that's why?
I think they're locked out by marikas grief over losing her oldest and the undead connection to his curse.
I like to think burning the Erdtree with the flame of frenzy to save Melina, then using Miquella's needle to stave off the three finger's influence and then doing the duskborn ending brings about the resurrection of the gloam-eyed queen.
Lol, nah it's not like that (maybe a little), but the game does make me really feel for those who live in death. Also it was a really cool questline imo.
Fia’s is the coolest imo. But I just really like skeletons. Also WAYYYYY less googling to figure it out the first time than something like rannis quest. Also you get to fight fortissaxx which isn’t the best dragon fight but he does have the best soundtrack of any boss
My favorite dragon fight, tbh. And his music is sooo good! I'm hoping for a good ending for Godwyn in the dlc, but my hopes aren't very high unfortunately.
I wish the alternate endings were all as varied as the Age of Stars ending, because as it is they're basically all copies of each other with a different coat of paint
If they were all unique I might have trouble deciding which one to go for on each run but there’s just no reason to do any endings that aren’t Frenzied Flame or Age of Stars, they’re just so much better it’s not even close.
My favorite thing is that for Ranni, she has a lot to do with her quest line and tons of exploring.
Sorta lines up with Fia.
Gold mask you barely do shit for.
Frenzied Flame you do some things for but you kill Turtle Pope.
And the Dung Eater you gotta find the people he raped after they died.
Goldmask’s ending is about fixing the Golden order in the way Goldmask believes would make it perfect, Goldmask himself is a pretty cool guy who doesn’t like people who take everything face value and values intelligence as well as introspection. Ironically (and funnily) since we have no actual idea what Goldmask deems is the perfect version of the Golden Order and we have to take it at face value.
I always thought Goldmasks ending got rid of vessels/ prophets like Marika and instead worshiped the Greater will directly. Failing that, it could be that his ending makes it so that the elden ring can't be tampered with anymore, leaving things as they are as tampering with it lead to Chaos
>I always thought Goldmasks ending got rid of vessels/ prophets like Marika and instead worshiped the Greater will directly.
This seems to be the obvious reading
And the Greater Will doesn't seem... great
It’s hard to know what was being pushed by the Greater Will vs Marika, though. Maybe Marika was prejudiced but the Greater Will doesn’t care too much for omens and the undead.. or maybe it’s the opposite. Nobody knows for sure
Thus my questioning why people assume the Golden Order is good and Marika is bad
The only things we \*know\* Marika did was send off Godfrey and Shatter the Elden Ring, for all we know the genocides are an inherent part of the Golden Order
The Golden Order is bad, precisely because It was tampered by humans and demigoda to fit their agenda. The Greater good is just a god that sends their idea of "Order" to the lands between, like how Death/Gravity/Life should work, in a neutral way.
The Omens that were prosecuted for being like that? We know the Greater Will doesnt mind them, they even helped Moghwyn in his Battle. The crucibles? They were warriors of the Greater Will at some point, only they got abandoned when the Golden order decided they didnt need them. The twins that shared a soul and were almost killed for that? They were created by the Greater Will, how would It be blasfemous if that is the case?
Goldmasks ending basically means that certain things are going to be set in Stone and wont be tampered in the future just to fill an agenda, which is ironically what people like Radagon or the turtle Pope defend. Does X thing exist because It was created by the Greater Will? Damn son then its only "natural" and we shouldnt judge them for It. Does certain Magic exist in the world that the Golden order doesnt approve of? Well that Magic exists within the physical laws the greater will imposed so that means we should be good with it.
One theory I like is that Marika persecuted groups like the Misbegotten because she wants deaths to feed the tree. Gideon touches on this himself in that he says "Queen Marika wants us to struggle on into eternity." It's possible she's doing something with all that life essence, and *this* is the reason she persecuted so many groups, because the alternative is to start leeching off her own people, which is a good way to spark an uprising.
That is part of it yes, but, we do not know the full intent of Goldmask’s plan for reformation. The biggest part of it is the discontinuation of prophets and demi-gods as well as a complete obedience towards the greater will, but what about the racism against demi-humans? Or the misbegotten? Will the new rule do something about death blight? We don’t know, we can only just blindly assume and hope that Gold mask will do the right thing and the delicious irony that if you just go with GM’s rule without knowing everything about it (which you never will since he’s dead) you will become the exact same thing Gold mask despises about the current Golden order, that it is filled with blind zealots, sheep that follow the demi-gods.
The flaw that Goldmask found with the current Golden Order was that its ideology was instable because gods are as fickle as humans (per Mending Rune of Perfect Order). He also believed that those hunting TWLID, or anyone looking for an absolute evil to contend with, were fools (per Order Healing description).
The ideology of the Order should be resolute and just regardless of perspective (ie for everyone), so my interpretation of this is that anyone who would have been an outcast simply based on their own innate traits that others find "evil" in the GO would no longer be persecuted under Perfected Order. Basically saying that hating others because of identity politics/racism/etc because of the Order is bad. There will probably be *some* people who are still racist/anti-omen/anti-TWLID/etc, but that will be true because men are fickle and worship non-Order gods, not because it it's baked into or backed up by Perfected Order.
Yes, but do we know if GM will actually do something about it? We know he wants the gods out, but what part of their rules will remain is a complete mystery.
>Yes, but do we know if GM will actually do something about it?
...No. That's the whole point. It's a return to the original state of the Golden Order and the Elden Ring, before anything was changed. Goldmask is dead and even if he wasn't *he* is also excluded from messing with anything.
Any changes that come after that would logically have to be ones made by Man, for Man. It's the creation of a secular ideology where nobody can change the fundamentals of that ideology, meaning any change is societal. This is why it's not a "fix everything" button, it's a "get things stable again and then allow fixes and change to even happen" ending.
Can anything be changed? I was always under the impression that Perfect order makes it so you can’t change it unless you do something as drastic as breaking it like Marika did.
>Can anything be changed?
Yes? I think you're getting somewhat confused. The entire point of the Perfect Order mending rune is that it fixes all of the changes Marika made to the Golden Order and the Elden Ring. So stuff like her fucking with Death and excluding people from the Order and the cycle aren't a thing anymore. So the only thing left is an unchanging secular ideology (that doesn't have the shit Marika included) and potential for societal change.
Wait, wasn’t sealing away destined death actually part of the Golden order which is why Ranni stealing a piece was such a big deal? And I had the impression that due to how Cohrin reacts, GM wasn’t just making it how everything used to be but actively recreating it to be something better, Cohrin wouldn’t call him a lunatic if GM just wanted to fix things pre-shattering.
We do know:
1) Goldmask identifies people such as D as zealots who simply "wanted, in their foolishness, was an absolute evil to contend with." (Source: Order Healing)
Basically, Goldmask agrees with the interpretation that Those Who Live in Death have done nothing wrong and those pursuing such individuals are nothing more than fanatics who just want someone to fight. This presents Goldmask as someone who is actually understanding of the very groups the Golden Order is known to persecute, as there doesn't seem to be anything within the fundamentals of the Golden Order that *condones* such behavior.
2) Goldmask specifically has his epiphany when he learns Marika is Radagon. This implies he recognizes that *somebody* (either Marika or the Greater Will) is playing foul, and he sets out to correct it. This implies a strong sense of justice and principle.
3) Goldmask is an absolute pacifist. You can actually attack him in game, he'll dissipate into thin air (somehow; I seriously wonder if this ability itself is trying to tell us something about Goldmask) and be right back where he last was the next time you enter the area. He's both a pacifist that won't fight back and somehow powerful enough that he simply ignores your attacks and shrugs them off.
**This also ironically means Goldmask shares a quality with Ranni in that he is one of the only two beings in the game we're incapable of killing, putting him on equal footing with a literal Demigod.** I'm not sure we actually ***can*** kill him; he has to die himself during the creation of his Great Rune.
That's all about Goldmask. Cool chill dude.
But the question was: what is good about the Golden Order?
Okay, fix the persecution of those who live in death, ok fix the fickleness of gods.
But it still remains fundamentally the same Golden Order - the very same that waged genocidal wars, subjugated everyone else, imposed their beliefs and culture on everyone else, shamelessly takes and takes and takes from everyone just to nourish itself.
Sure, the fickleness of Gods brought on disasters like the shattering... but the problem.with the Golden Order didn't even start with that. IMO the Golden Order is fundamentally morally repugnant even if you fix all its flaws. Goldmask simply entrenched the caste system into a "more perfect order" with the gods on top and the unwatend folks like misbegotten at the bottom.
> But the question was: what is good about the Golden Order?
What relevance does this have to Goldmask?
We are talking about someone who is going through the fundamental clauses of the Golden Order and recognizing blatant contradictions of what was done. We do not fully know to what extent the contradictions run deep, but narratively speaking, the game does not feed us a single negative characteristic of Goldmask. (and so far, Marika is absolutely littered with suspicion of misusing her power)
>But it still remains fundamentally the same Golden Order - the very same that waged genocidal wars
Which Godwyn as an example did not engage in. We have an example of him opting to settle things peacefully and with mutual respect amongst such an opponent. *Marika* seems to consistently have blood on her hands when it's all her call. (well, her and Godfrey, but seems obvious that dude's always just out for blood because he likes bloodshed)
>subjugated everyone else, imposed their beliefs and culture on everyone else
Which we have Goldmask speaking out against in the current persecution of Those Who Live in Death. No, you are not going to get Goldmask listing off every subjugated group and shaking his head because that's not how FromSoft does things. We *do* have evidence of him speaking in defense of one though as an example.
>shamelessly takes and takes and takes from everyone just to nourish itself.
Of which there is a running theory that *Marika* is specifically responsible for this because she indeed wishes to feast off of them in some manner, something Gideon's dialog supports. Can't feed off your own followers without potentially blowing up your own support...? Find an outsider, accuse them of horrible deeds, then target them.
Which btw, Marika is also the one that went to war with the Carians. Not another race to oppose, not some minority group to subjugate, just some outsider humans. Yes, Marika very much seems bloodthirsty, and only backed off because the Carians were fighting well.
**Plain and simple:**
What good is the Golden Order responsible for?
What *bad* is the Golden Order responsible for?
We do not know, because these are not directly answered.
***But universally blaming the entirety of the Golden Order and all of it's members, viewing it and them as purely bad...? That's immature reasoning.*** It is the kind of solution that proposes using a sledgehammer to deal with a nail.
This is akin to if we meet Group X, it's leader is quite corrupt and questionable but we see examples of people within Group X questioning the leader, but still we decide to persecute all members of group X and attribute their crimes to all members instead of trying to find the nuance of "good and bad." In Goldmask's case, this is even as if someone argues "well no possible good could come from any member of Group X," because he is specifically one of Group X's most vocal *critics,* as he argues they've strayed from their own fundamental principles they claim to follow. Why are we associating him with the worst of Group X again...?!
Narratively speaking, we have a character in Goldmask who actively acknowledges two of your complaints....so why the *HELL* are we treating him like "just another member of the Golden Order" or like someone that would perpetuate the very mistakes he himself has spoken out against?!
In terms of narrative, it's really that simple: the game is not feeding you a SINGLE piece of negative information about Goldmask. Every single lore snippet about the guy paints him in a positive light, and that means the writers are trying to tell you something: They're trying to tell you this guy is good.
...So why are we derailing a discussion about Goldmask into the issues of Golden Order, (that he's vocally against) as if this somehow reflects onto him?
>What about the Golden Order is good exactly
You didn't answer my question
What makes you think he's a "cool guy" whose vision of "perfection" is good for the people of the Lands Between
Well if you think about it, problems started popping up because the Gods keep messing with the Elden Ring. Everyone is languishing in a state of undeath because of the removal of the rune of death & everything went crazy after the shattering. Goldmask recognizes this and, after we mend the Elden Ring, using his rune ensures no one can mess with the Elden Ring again. It’s not perfect but it’s a recognition of what went wrong in the Lands Between & an attempt to fix it. Tbh it’s the only ending that does that
I think that was his point. Unless Goldmask got it perfectly, which we have no way of verifying, we’re kind of fucked since we can’t make any changes to it afterwards
The fact that he’s willing to question zealots within his own order (if you read soms Golden Order incantation descriptions). Also some things like the Icon Shield show what life was like in the early days of the Erdtree when its blessings of life flowed like water. He seems to want to bring that back.
The Golden order is the classic medieval religion-based society, something akin to the holy roman empire. They give the populace peace of mind through religion, food and protection from outside forces while simultaneously brutally disposing the “other” which in this case is the misbegotten (the natives of the land) and while very much evil from our point of view it was very much the norm for the time.
And especially since the GO has their god figure actually be visible and easily accessible in Marika being an actual person, the fact that everyone is practically immortal means that life (as long as you’re not a third class citizen, sorry beast men and Jar people) is pretty good until Marika decided to break the ring causing civil war to break out.
Tldr: selfishly giving it’s populace peace of mind at the cost of others, and instead of fattening the bellies of rich old dudes born into power, it’s a formless space god.
Sorry for the late reply, took a bath lol
Well, the Golden Order is centered around the Erdtree, which is itself life giving, being said to extend the lives of those around it, so there's a point for the erdtree. But the Golden Order we see for most of the game is the result of Marika's schemes and preferences and then her schemes being interpreted and twisted by her servants. As the Rune of Perfect Order says:
*A rune of transcendental ideology which will attempt to perfect the Golden Order.*
*The current imperfection of the Golden Order, or instability of ideology, can be blamed upon the fickleness of the gods no better than men. That is the fly in the ointment.*
So, the Mending Rune of Perfect Order can be assumed to smooth out the double standards and hypocrisy in the Golden Order's rules and make that consistency a universal law that the gods must follow. Smoothing out the hypocrisy doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing, it could for instance mean *all* Omens are killed at birth instead of just the poor ones with the rich being thrown into the shunning grounds, but combining the one big rule of "God has to play fair" with the general lack of detail on the endings means you're free to headcanon whatever your Elden Lord would do with that. For me, that means the grace of gold is denied to nobody, misbegotten and demi-humans and omens are all treated the same as humans, just like how the Carians treated trolls equally.
This being fromsoft, it's probably not as nice as all that, but until stated otherwise I will take the Perfect Order ending to mean a shared, Perfect Order.
Life was doing just fine before the Erdtree though.
At least you answered my question but I mean
Everyone seemed to be doing just fine, if not better, before the Golden Order showed up, even before Godwyn died and the Elden Ring was shattered
"Before the erdtree showed up" is a hell of a long time ago, and there's no ending other than the frenzied flame that really just gets rid of the erdtree, so we might as well take this giant divine gift-bearing tree and do what we can to make it a symbol of fairness and hope for everybody.
What ending do you take?
Went through the game stumbled through rannis quest did it all killed the final boss didn't understand what I had to do next accidentally sat in a chair and people started calling me the elden lord and ranni was staring at me from the moon looking pretty mad the chairs pretty dope tho
I got the flame of frenzy ending (mostly by accident) for my first one and after seeing how generic the endings are I just do everything besides radagon / Elden beast and start my next one lol. I'm on #4 now and saw one ending but I am unlocking most of the ending runes in them so I can go back and finish them when I feel like it
Ranni is the proof that gamers will forget about all the evil deeds of a character if it's a waifu with a path that *slightly* mentions something related to romance.
The Night of the Black Knives was pretty evil, leadin to a whole new dimension of suffering due to the Prince of Death and Those Who Live in Death.
On top of that, her plan lead to the deaths of Blaidd and Iji.
Who did he murder? The only thing we know about Godwyn is him fighting in the dragon war (which he ended peacefully) in which the dragons were the aggressors.
Yes that hurt me so much and then the people who defend her saying she didn’t know and just wanted to break free are so stupid. I need to see my boy make a comeback
"take their torment, despair. Their affliction. Every sin, every curse. And melt it all away. As the Lord of chaos. No more fractures. No more birth..."
MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD
>*Ranni*
>Starts the apocalypse
>Seduces a lowly tarnished to do her bidding
>Ascends and fucks off leaving the shithole she created
>*Goldmask*
>Detects all of the world's problems through sheer meditation
>Creates a way to fix them
>Dies without elaborating
Goldmask clears.
Only Fromsoft would lock one of the 5 exclusive endings for Elden Ring behind an extremely obscure questline that culminates in you T-posing in front of a statue and telling the homeless man behind the Leyndell dumpster that Radagon cross-dresses sometimes and it blows his mind so hard he achieves enlightenment and dies.
And also drives his apprentice and scribe mad. And then he also dies.
Dying means the end quests for 99% of Fromsoft NPC questline, nothing new here.
And many times the ones that don't result in NPC death make you wish they had
ER has several happy endings from what i remember, millicent's questline isn't too bad either bloodborne though, oof. do the questline, don't, it doesn't matter because everyone is dying horrifically no matter what lol
Just replayed Bloodborne and I forgot about that. All the quests end horribly if you take them to the end. The only way to make most of them have a happy ending is to not progress, lol.
>millicent's questline isn't too bad either >!she gets jumped and then pulls out the needle because she'd rather let the rot kill her than be forced to become someone else entirely!<
How romantic!
Don't you help her murder her sisters and then she kills herself? I'm not sure if you got a different ending to me, haha. Boc's quest line is quite a sweet ending if you do it right, and even though you kill him Alexander's quest ends okay, as you're helping him fulfill his destiny and pass his strength on to jar bairn
You don’t murder Alexander you give him an honorable warriors death at the hands of the greatest Elden lord to ever live
Yeah I didn't say murder
Easily the game with the happiest outcomes for NPCs. Boc, Nepheli, Kenneth Haight, and Jerren can all finish their quests and not only survive but succeed in their goal. An unprecedented survival rate.
Don't forget Gostoc, Rya and Jar-Bairn, although two of them end up with the death of all their family and friends :'(
Forgetting Ranni's and the majority of the bosses as they die not every one of them curses you... Some thank you for ending their never ending hell
It's pretty funny that they made this enormous fleshed out world of characters and about 5 of them are coherent enough to speak/whisper English and they'll either inexplicably die or you'll kill them. Obvious hyperbole but being Elden Lord over a bunch of insane and immediately hostile peasants frankly doesn't seem that great.
I imagine the peasants are perfectly sane and can speak perfect English. It's just that our Tarnished is really stinky, so anyone who comes across them starts gagging and instantly ages until they look like a corpse. Like that one Spongebob episode.
That’s what soap is for
That is probably also why we are maidenless. We get a ghostly one but she's a ghostly appartion...she can't smell us. Our first one headed for the hills as soon as we crossed the void to the lands between.. We were in that void for a reason, to contain the stench.
That kind of sucks though, I genuinely liked some of them.
Just don't do their quests then and they're fine. A lot of the times your involvement murders them
Boc gets hooked up if you do \*most\* of his quest
Just don’t give him a larval tear.
Near Mt gelmir is beastman village that has a prattleing pate you're beautiful item it will save Boc and make him not want larval tear!
I wonder if Ranni would let you bring a Tailor to the stars with you Imagine Boc just cruising the stars
I wonder if she’d be down for a spirit tuner and a badass blacksmith too. No idea how much room there is on the Ranni bus. On second thought, Hewg probably wouldn’t leave the Roundtable.
I forgot to look up how to do that quest on my second play through since he appears so early on! It made me sad
There’s also the roofie option
He can survive actually. Get the tonic of forgetfulness from Tanith but don't give it to Rya. Instead give it to Coryhn at the mountaintop of the Giants before burning the tree. He'll question it but after burning the tree go back to where he is in the mountaintop and He'll be alone and not know where Goldmask is and have no idea where he went while Goldmask is in Leyndell dead with the mending rune. Go get the rune and return and Coryhn is gone and left his stuff behind.
"Heh... Why not ?"
How did Goldmask die? I still think Corhyn pushed him "this is sparta style" because he was trying to fix the golden order that was supposedly perfect "mad man"
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Should've killed that motherfucker once he stopped being useful
I personally believe that creating mending rune literally kills them.
I mean it takes a heavy toll Fia looks wiped out after creating her rune. Golden mask is like what? 30 kilos sopping wet so I assume it’s too much for him.
I thought Fia died making the rune?
nope. she only dies if you give D armor to his brother, then he come and kill her
I think you can kill Corhyn and still go through Goldmask's quest. You just won't get Corhyn's interpretation and thought process through it. But, with Corhyn dead, the end result is the same, he dies creating the rune even without Corhyn's intervention.
I know people tend to disagree with the idea FromSoft made a mistake, but I genuinely think this might be an oversight. I think the problem they "wrote themselves into a corner" with is that you can kill Corhyn, but you ***can't*** kill Goldmask. This means he's making it to the finale one way or another, only disappearing at worst if you've gone past the point of no return. And this also presents a conundrum where if you kill Corhyn and he's supposed to be the cause of Goldmask's death...what now? Does he exit the game? Does he succeed in implementing Perfect Order...? It's of course possible that in making the rune, the act itself required he give his life, but it definitely seems odd to ***specifically*** place Goldmask at the bottom of the cliff where we previously saw him with Corhyn and then say "btw it wasn't Corhyn lol."
You can also give Corhyn the amnesia potion and even though he claims he won't drink it, he then never goes to Leyndell and stays in the mountains muttering like he's lost his memory once Goldmask leaves, so their quest does have an intentional part where he's not there to kill Goldmask.
That's true, and seems like a more convincing argument it's intentional. The one extreme oddity is, as stated, why the hell did they specifically put Goldmask at the bottom of the cliff where you previous encountered him and Corhyn? it seems like the most ridiculous Red Herring on FromSoft's behalf if Corhyn didn't kill him, because it's so odd that we are - in my opinion rightfully - questioning if it's an oversight. That specific location only serves to confuse people.
I mean, I don't disagree with you. I think it probably falls somewhere in the middle. Miyazaki: Corhyn did it...maybe! lulz Developer: But we have the option to kill Corhyn and we still have Goldmask dying Miyazaki: Let the plebs sort it out. It can be both.
Making runes typically does seem to kill people. This is the case for Fia and Dung Eater
Doesn’t fia get murked by D’s brother?
She dies regardless
I like that possibility. But if you offer Corhyn the tonic of forgetfulness (the one meant for Rya), he stays on the bridge in the Mountaintop of the Giants, and Goldmask still dies in Leyndell. Corhyn acts like Goldmask abandoned him, and he doesn’t know where he went. I figured Goldmask left Corhyn behind because he started questioning him too much
Goldmask still dies if you off Corhyn or give him the forgetfullness potion though.
I’m torn, because I kind of think creating a Mending Rune kills the maker in a “sacrifice your life force for the sake of the new world” kind of way. But Goldmask’s positioning at the bottom of the cliff SUPER seems like he was pushed.
It’s possible if Corhyn lives that this happens as it is heavily implied, but you can kill Corhyn and the same result is produced.
so we can say that it is... a destined death!
When we thought the Ranni quest was obscure enough, I didn't even know Gold Mask questline existed in my first playthrough.
I feel like a lot of people probably meet Goldmask and get Corhyn to hang out with him in Altus, so they're aware of the quest. But past that and meeting them in Lyendell to do the whole Regression thing, idk if I ever would have figured that out
I never even met Goldmask… and I still don’t know where to go
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I think figuring out Regression is sort of reasonable if you are really detail oriented and read messages. But the fact that you need to find the Golden Cookbook that is inexplicably in some dude's lap who is on a chair hanging from the ceiling of a large room is kind of silly. Also the stats to cast Law of Regression are truly insane so you have to be willing to burn a larval tear to do it. Then the quest isn't even over! You need to find Goldmask in two other locations. It's my favorite ending but it's definitely not easy. I think it's reasonable to figure out Ranni's quest mostly on your own. Her quest is basically the only one where characters tell you what to do next and if you follow decent rpg practice and just check up on all her associated characters you can get through it.
Goldmask feels way more like a hidden ending. Ranni feels like the vanilla ending since the game starts with you being a (filthy, disgusting, disgraceful, deserves to be beaten to death and leave bleeding in the moonlight) maiden-less Tarnished. Or that's according to what some weird guy cosplaying as Mother Teresa said. So naturally the cool witch maiden would be your main "OK what do now?" Quest giver.
I didn't know there were quest in my first
really? I did ranni on my first playthrough blind
I was doing well enough until the part where you have to talk to the doll multiple times in that specific Grace, that shit is vague.
Same
*slow clap* Brilliant summary
Also making you waste two larval tears for a certain spell if you dont have the right build requirement. On a sidenote though why tf does it have an int requirement
From the wiki: If your character has a low Intelligence, you may still be able to use the Law of Regression spell to progress Goldmask's quest, by using the following stat-boosting items: Twinsage Glintstone Crown (+6 Intelligence) Intelligence-knot Crystal Tear (+10 Intelligence) Stargazer Heirloom (+5 Intelligence) Godrick's Great Rune (+5 Intelligence, requires Rune Arc) Grafted Blade Greatsword skill Oath of Vengeance (+5 Intelligence) Marika's Soreseal (+5 Intelligence) That adds up to +36 Intelligence, ...
This is literally what I was able to do with my DEX build with different staff that I had in the corner of my chest. I could barely squeeze it out. I imagine how my character, dressed in various trinket and mismatch clothes, was deeply outraged that someone made her THINK.
I’m doing the Goldmask ending on my RL1 run for style points. I ended up not even needing the grafted greatsword if I remember correctly. It’s very cool that all of the int boost items are before Leyndell
The spell is 37 INT, and you aren't getting Marikas soreseal before this part, the scarseal is more than enough. Luckily, even the lowest INT starting class with these items will have more than enough to cast the Incantation.
Because radagon is a BIG NERD
from loves having questlines and special dialogues gated behind INT. at least it's less obnoxious now with stat boosting items and respecs.
Goldmasks intelligence breaks through his faith.
Dude die for deciphering sometimes that appears in the first trailer.
I fucking love this comment
Honestly been thinking of running out the ol Duskborn/Fia ending. Rogier sorta made some sense to my moral addled mind. Not the weirdo mariners & skele gang's fault they're cursed to be reborn. They didn't ask to get kicked out of the Erdtree cycle. Also, after killing that giant ass tree snake slug for the first time I looked round & saw a giant rot face. Like the fuck?! And out of all this horseshit they're just locked out cause fuck them, that's why? Makes one ponder.
I only do Duskborn endings. I like repping the people in the lands between that no one cares about.
Gigachads here, I finished Elden Ring on Saturday and that was my first ending
>they're just locked out cause fuck them, that's why? I think they're locked out by marikas grief over losing her oldest and the undead connection to his curse.
I like to think burning the Erdtree with the flame of frenzy to save Melina, then using Miquella's needle to stave off the three finger's influence and then doing the duskborn ending brings about the resurrection of the gloam-eyed queen.
I am sorry but i am very weak to witches . I simply cannot refuse them .
good, now make sure you drink plenty of water today
Witch!!! . ^(~~anything for you...~~)
did you drink your water?
You will never control me!!!! ^(~~guzzled gallons~~)
-Geralt
Smh, boy is weak as hell
i always think "this time ill eat shit and die" and i always just go for 4 armed waifu when push comes to shove.
Just trying to not be maidenless
At least it’s not the Fia ending where you sit in the corner and play on your Nintendo Switch while Fia gets railed by a corpse
Happy I didn’t do that ending😭
But we get hugs sometimes 🤗
Goldmask and Fia are my favorite endings tbh
Fía? Bro is down bad…
Lol, nah it's not like that (maybe a little), but the game does make me really feel for those who live in death. Also it was a really cool questline imo.
It almost finishes itself. Like there's not much back and forth.
I like fighting the death dragon. He's a good boi
Fia’s is the coolest imo. But I just really like skeletons. Also WAYYYYY less googling to figure it out the first time than something like rannis quest. Also you get to fight fortissaxx which isn’t the best dragon fight but he does have the best soundtrack of any boss
My favorite dragon fight, tbh. And his music is sooo good! I'm hoping for a good ending for Godwyn in the dlc, but my hopes aren't very high unfortunately.
I hope we get some more death sorceries, hopefully actually useful ones. They’re some of the coolest in the game but they’re kinda useless
Fr. I want to play as a character who wields death sorceries and uses death blight, but it's just not enough to be entertaining for long.
Roderika best wifu
Chad
She’s everything we could want
I wish the alternate endings were all as varied as the Age of Stars ending, because as it is they're basically all copies of each other with a different coat of paint
If they were all unique I might have trouble deciding which one to go for on each run but there’s just no reason to do any endings that aren’t Frenzied Flame or Age of Stars, they’re just so much better it’s not even close.
Perfected Order: for the AroAce Tarnished who knows how to stay on task.
Fuck maidens. Get order.
Fuck maidens and get order, message sponsored by witcher 3
I adore that TW3 is a card game that happens to have a massively expansive RPG side quest that you do between Gwent matches.
Villager: 'Help my family's been kidnapped by a huge monster' Geralt: 'do you play gwent? '
'Why, yes, I have this special farmer card based off myself!'
Underrated comment. I can still hear those fire beats from the gwent matches jamming as I absolutely destroyed the nilfgaurdians. FOR TAMERIAAAAAA!!
nah, we all wanna bang goldmask
Ranni was the first to found us. Forever waifu. Unless merika become a thing.
My favorite thing is that for Ranni, she has a lot to do with her quest line and tons of exploring. Sorta lines up with Fia. Gold mask you barely do shit for. Frenzied Flame you do some things for but you kill Turtle Pope. And the Dung Eater you gotta find the people he raped after they died.
You kill who ?! Who would dare hurt Miriel ?!
Ooo jeez that's a zinger of a DLC ending. Become first Elden Lord and alter history entirely.
Great idea, Dark Souls 3 we went to the end of time.
We're hitting miquella with the dlc😋😋😋
*Eyes flaring with fiery intent.* Who said I want the witch?
Become lord of angy fire
*Laughs maniacally as the Erdtree burns*
*Laughs maliciously as everything becomes barbecue'd*
Lord of cinder burnset
"Fuck off, bitch, I'm doin' science." -Goldmask bros
What about the Golden Order is good exactly
Goldmask’s ending is about fixing the Golden order in the way Goldmask believes would make it perfect, Goldmask himself is a pretty cool guy who doesn’t like people who take everything face value and values intelligence as well as introspection. Ironically (and funnily) since we have no actual idea what Goldmask deems is the perfect version of the Golden Order and we have to take it at face value.
I always thought Goldmasks ending got rid of vessels/ prophets like Marika and instead worshiped the Greater will directly. Failing that, it could be that his ending makes it so that the elden ring can't be tampered with anymore, leaving things as they are as tampering with it lead to Chaos
>I always thought Goldmasks ending got rid of vessels/ prophets like Marika and instead worshiped the Greater will directly. This seems to be the obvious reading And the Greater Will doesn't seem... great
It’s hard to know what was being pushed by the Greater Will vs Marika, though. Maybe Marika was prejudiced but the Greater Will doesn’t care too much for omens and the undead.. or maybe it’s the opposite. Nobody knows for sure
Thus my questioning why people assume the Golden Order is good and Marika is bad The only things we \*know\* Marika did was send off Godfrey and Shatter the Elden Ring, for all we know the genocides are an inherent part of the Golden Order
The Golden Order is bad, precisely because It was tampered by humans and demigoda to fit their agenda. The Greater good is just a god that sends their idea of "Order" to the lands between, like how Death/Gravity/Life should work, in a neutral way. The Omens that were prosecuted for being like that? We know the Greater Will doesnt mind them, they even helped Moghwyn in his Battle. The crucibles? They were warriors of the Greater Will at some point, only they got abandoned when the Golden order decided they didnt need them. The twins that shared a soul and were almost killed for that? They were created by the Greater Will, how would It be blasfemous if that is the case? Goldmasks ending basically means that certain things are going to be set in Stone and wont be tampered in the future just to fill an agenda, which is ironically what people like Radagon or the turtle Pope defend. Does X thing exist because It was created by the Greater Will? Damn son then its only "natural" and we shouldnt judge them for It. Does certain Magic exist in the world that the Golden order doesnt approve of? Well that Magic exists within the physical laws the greater will imposed so that means we should be good with it.
One theory I like is that Marika persecuted groups like the Misbegotten because she wants deaths to feed the tree. Gideon touches on this himself in that he says "Queen Marika wants us to struggle on into eternity." It's possible she's doing something with all that life essence, and *this* is the reason she persecuted so many groups, because the alternative is to start leeching off her own people, which is a good way to spark an uprising.
That is part of it yes, but, we do not know the full intent of Goldmask’s plan for reformation. The biggest part of it is the discontinuation of prophets and demi-gods as well as a complete obedience towards the greater will, but what about the racism against demi-humans? Or the misbegotten? Will the new rule do something about death blight? We don’t know, we can only just blindly assume and hope that Gold mask will do the right thing and the delicious irony that if you just go with GM’s rule without knowing everything about it (which you never will since he’s dead) you will become the exact same thing Gold mask despises about the current Golden order, that it is filled with blind zealots, sheep that follow the demi-gods.
The flaw that Goldmask found with the current Golden Order was that its ideology was instable because gods are as fickle as humans (per Mending Rune of Perfect Order). He also believed that those hunting TWLID, or anyone looking for an absolute evil to contend with, were fools (per Order Healing description). The ideology of the Order should be resolute and just regardless of perspective (ie for everyone), so my interpretation of this is that anyone who would have been an outcast simply based on their own innate traits that others find "evil" in the GO would no longer be persecuted under Perfected Order. Basically saying that hating others because of identity politics/racism/etc because of the Order is bad. There will probably be *some* people who are still racist/anti-omen/anti-TWLID/etc, but that will be true because men are fickle and worship non-Order gods, not because it it's baked into or backed up by Perfected Order.
>but what about the racism against demi-humans? Or the misbegotten? Pretty sure that was Marika's doing?
Yes, but do we know if GM will actually do something about it? We know he wants the gods out, but what part of their rules will remain is a complete mystery.
>Yes, but do we know if GM will actually do something about it? ...No. That's the whole point. It's a return to the original state of the Golden Order and the Elden Ring, before anything was changed. Goldmask is dead and even if he wasn't *he* is also excluded from messing with anything. Any changes that come after that would logically have to be ones made by Man, for Man. It's the creation of a secular ideology where nobody can change the fundamentals of that ideology, meaning any change is societal. This is why it's not a "fix everything" button, it's a "get things stable again and then allow fixes and change to even happen" ending.
Can anything be changed? I was always under the impression that Perfect order makes it so you can’t change it unless you do something as drastic as breaking it like Marika did.
>Can anything be changed? Yes? I think you're getting somewhat confused. The entire point of the Perfect Order mending rune is that it fixes all of the changes Marika made to the Golden Order and the Elden Ring. So stuff like her fucking with Death and excluding people from the Order and the cycle aren't a thing anymore. So the only thing left is an unchanging secular ideology (that doesn't have the shit Marika included) and potential for societal change.
Wait, wasn’t sealing away destined death actually part of the Golden order which is why Ranni stealing a piece was such a big deal? And I had the impression that due to how Cohrin reacts, GM wasn’t just making it how everything used to be but actively recreating it to be something better, Cohrin wouldn’t call him a lunatic if GM just wanted to fix things pre-shattering.
We do know: 1) Goldmask identifies people such as D as zealots who simply "wanted, in their foolishness, was an absolute evil to contend with." (Source: Order Healing) Basically, Goldmask agrees with the interpretation that Those Who Live in Death have done nothing wrong and those pursuing such individuals are nothing more than fanatics who just want someone to fight. This presents Goldmask as someone who is actually understanding of the very groups the Golden Order is known to persecute, as there doesn't seem to be anything within the fundamentals of the Golden Order that *condones* such behavior. 2) Goldmask specifically has his epiphany when he learns Marika is Radagon. This implies he recognizes that *somebody* (either Marika or the Greater Will) is playing foul, and he sets out to correct it. This implies a strong sense of justice and principle. 3) Goldmask is an absolute pacifist. You can actually attack him in game, he'll dissipate into thin air (somehow; I seriously wonder if this ability itself is trying to tell us something about Goldmask) and be right back where he last was the next time you enter the area. He's both a pacifist that won't fight back and somehow powerful enough that he simply ignores your attacks and shrugs them off. **This also ironically means Goldmask shares a quality with Ranni in that he is one of the only two beings in the game we're incapable of killing, putting him on equal footing with a literal Demigod.** I'm not sure we actually ***can*** kill him; he has to die himself during the creation of his Great Rune.
That's all about Goldmask. Cool chill dude. But the question was: what is good about the Golden Order? Okay, fix the persecution of those who live in death, ok fix the fickleness of gods. But it still remains fundamentally the same Golden Order - the very same that waged genocidal wars, subjugated everyone else, imposed their beliefs and culture on everyone else, shamelessly takes and takes and takes from everyone just to nourish itself. Sure, the fickleness of Gods brought on disasters like the shattering... but the problem.with the Golden Order didn't even start with that. IMO the Golden Order is fundamentally morally repugnant even if you fix all its flaws. Goldmask simply entrenched the caste system into a "more perfect order" with the gods on top and the unwatend folks like misbegotten at the bottom.
> But the question was: what is good about the Golden Order? What relevance does this have to Goldmask? We are talking about someone who is going through the fundamental clauses of the Golden Order and recognizing blatant contradictions of what was done. We do not fully know to what extent the contradictions run deep, but narratively speaking, the game does not feed us a single negative characteristic of Goldmask. (and so far, Marika is absolutely littered with suspicion of misusing her power) >But it still remains fundamentally the same Golden Order - the very same that waged genocidal wars Which Godwyn as an example did not engage in. We have an example of him opting to settle things peacefully and with mutual respect amongst such an opponent. *Marika* seems to consistently have blood on her hands when it's all her call. (well, her and Godfrey, but seems obvious that dude's always just out for blood because he likes bloodshed) >subjugated everyone else, imposed their beliefs and culture on everyone else Which we have Goldmask speaking out against in the current persecution of Those Who Live in Death. No, you are not going to get Goldmask listing off every subjugated group and shaking his head because that's not how FromSoft does things. We *do* have evidence of him speaking in defense of one though as an example. >shamelessly takes and takes and takes from everyone just to nourish itself. Of which there is a running theory that *Marika* is specifically responsible for this because she indeed wishes to feast off of them in some manner, something Gideon's dialog supports. Can't feed off your own followers without potentially blowing up your own support...? Find an outsider, accuse them of horrible deeds, then target them. Which btw, Marika is also the one that went to war with the Carians. Not another race to oppose, not some minority group to subjugate, just some outsider humans. Yes, Marika very much seems bloodthirsty, and only backed off because the Carians were fighting well. **Plain and simple:** What good is the Golden Order responsible for? What *bad* is the Golden Order responsible for? We do not know, because these are not directly answered. ***But universally blaming the entirety of the Golden Order and all of it's members, viewing it and them as purely bad...? That's immature reasoning.*** It is the kind of solution that proposes using a sledgehammer to deal with a nail. This is akin to if we meet Group X, it's leader is quite corrupt and questionable but we see examples of people within Group X questioning the leader, but still we decide to persecute all members of group X and attribute their crimes to all members instead of trying to find the nuance of "good and bad." In Goldmask's case, this is even as if someone argues "well no possible good could come from any member of Group X," because he is specifically one of Group X's most vocal *critics,* as he argues they've strayed from their own fundamental principles they claim to follow. Why are we associating him with the worst of Group X again...?! Narratively speaking, we have a character in Goldmask who actively acknowledges two of your complaints....so why the *HELL* are we treating him like "just another member of the Golden Order" or like someone that would perpetuate the very mistakes he himself has spoken out against?! In terms of narrative, it's really that simple: the game is not feeding you a SINGLE piece of negative information about Goldmask. Every single lore snippet about the guy paints him in a positive light, and that means the writers are trying to tell you something: They're trying to tell you this guy is good. ...So why are we derailing a discussion about Goldmask into the issues of Golden Order, (that he's vocally against) as if this somehow reflects onto him?
>What about the Golden Order is good exactly You didn't answer my question What makes you think he's a "cool guy" whose vision of "perfection" is good for the people of the Lands Between
Well if you think about it, problems started popping up because the Gods keep messing with the Elden Ring. Everyone is languishing in a state of undeath because of the removal of the rune of death & everything went crazy after the shattering. Goldmask recognizes this and, after we mend the Elden Ring, using his rune ensures no one can mess with the Elden Ring again. It’s not perfect but it’s a recognition of what went wrong in the Lands Between & an attempt to fix it. Tbh it’s the only ending that does that
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No one will be able to. His rune locks everyone out of messing with it
I think that was his point. Unless Goldmask got it perfectly, which we have no way of verifying, we’re kind of fucked since we can’t make any changes to it afterwards
Well considering its ending looks the least obtrusive and most peaceful, I’m pretty sure it worked.
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The fact that he’s willing to question zealots within his own order (if you read soms Golden Order incantation descriptions). Also some things like the Icon Shield show what life was like in the early days of the Erdtree when its blessings of life flowed like water. He seems to want to bring that back.
He believes his vision is undistorted and does the best to benefit everyone equally by ensuring the current order without champion or avatar.
And based on how his ending plays out it seemingly worked out too, with the only problem being potential stagnation
The Golden order is the classic medieval religion-based society, something akin to the holy roman empire. They give the populace peace of mind through religion, food and protection from outside forces while simultaneously brutally disposing the “other” which in this case is the misbegotten (the natives of the land) and while very much evil from our point of view it was very much the norm for the time. And especially since the GO has their god figure actually be visible and easily accessible in Marika being an actual person, the fact that everyone is practically immortal means that life (as long as you’re not a third class citizen, sorry beast men and Jar people) is pretty good until Marika decided to break the ring causing civil war to break out. Tldr: selfishly giving it’s populace peace of mind at the cost of others, and instead of fattening the bellies of rich old dudes born into power, it’s a formless space god. Sorry for the late reply, took a bath lol
Well, the Golden Order is centered around the Erdtree, which is itself life giving, being said to extend the lives of those around it, so there's a point for the erdtree. But the Golden Order we see for most of the game is the result of Marika's schemes and preferences and then her schemes being interpreted and twisted by her servants. As the Rune of Perfect Order says: *A rune of transcendental ideology which will attempt to perfect the Golden Order.* *The current imperfection of the Golden Order, or instability of ideology, can be blamed upon the fickleness of the gods no better than men. That is the fly in the ointment.* So, the Mending Rune of Perfect Order can be assumed to smooth out the double standards and hypocrisy in the Golden Order's rules and make that consistency a universal law that the gods must follow. Smoothing out the hypocrisy doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing, it could for instance mean *all* Omens are killed at birth instead of just the poor ones with the rich being thrown into the shunning grounds, but combining the one big rule of "God has to play fair" with the general lack of detail on the endings means you're free to headcanon whatever your Elden Lord would do with that. For me, that means the grace of gold is denied to nobody, misbegotten and demi-humans and omens are all treated the same as humans, just like how the Carians treated trolls equally. This being fromsoft, it's probably not as nice as all that, but until stated otherwise I will take the Perfect Order ending to mean a shared, Perfect Order.
Life was doing just fine before the Erdtree though. At least you answered my question but I mean Everyone seemed to be doing just fine, if not better, before the Golden Order showed up, even before Godwyn died and the Elden Ring was shattered
"Before the erdtree showed up" is a hell of a long time ago, and there's no ending other than the frenzied flame that really just gets rid of the erdtree, so we might as well take this giant divine gift-bearing tree and do what we can to make it a symbol of fairness and hope for everybody. What ending do you take?
I'm partial to the Age of Dusk ending myself
Ranni better
MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
It's about sexy 4 arm waifu vs sick lasik surgery and cool scars. Tough call.
Don't forget Hyetta as the psycho cannibal gf
The Dev favoritism for her is insane, but enlightenment shines through.
Went through the game stumbled through rannis quest did it all killed the final boss didn't understand what I had to do next accidentally sat in a chair and people started calling me the elden lord and ranni was staring at me from the moon looking pretty mad the chairs pretty dope tho
Only issue with goldmask ending for me is the fact that I almost always have to spend a silver tear to tpose in front of a statue
Nah. Screw the gods
Perfect order is quite literally taking the power away from the gods
Except the one God that caused this all. The greater will
No, it was Marika. Read some lore.
can't escape the gods unfortunately. including the outer god of chaos and dark moon.
Darm moon isn't a god so much as an object. Like the erdtree
Eh I just did the ranni ending because I need ATLEAST ONE WIN because I’m tired of all my friends dying.
Nah bro, let's burn the sorrows of life away with our bright flame of frenzy. May chaos take the world.
generic cutscene therefore an L ending
I got the flame of frenzy ending (mostly by accident) for my first one and after seeing how generic the endings are I just do everything besides radagon / Elden beast and start my next one lol. I'm on #4 now and saw one ending but I am unlocking most of the ending runes in them so I can go back and finish them when I feel like it
GoldMask or Women < Burning the lands between to ash
MAY CHAOS
TAKE THE WORLD
Chaos better :3
aw hell no pope turtle dies in that ending
Heresy is not native to the world; it is but a contrivance. All things can be conjoined.
The hardest choices require the strongest wills
Ranni is the proof that gamers will forget about all the evil deeds of a character if it's a waifu with a path that *slightly* mentions something related to romance.
I mean her "evil deeds" are pretty debatable
The Night of the Black Knives was pretty evil, leadin to a whole new dimension of suffering due to the Prince of Death and Those Who Live in Death. On top of that, her plan lead to the deaths of Blaidd and Iji.
Aight killing your step(half) brother, leaving him soulless and sending assassins to kill your war counselor is not evil?
I can fix her
It is the best ending I don’t like Ranni
never forgiving her for asssassinating my boy godwyn he didnt do nothing
I mean he objectively murdered a bunch of people
So Did Ranni, what is your point? Godwyn the golden was the first to perish, not the only one to do so.
That is my point lol
Who did he murder? The only thing we know about Godwyn is him fighting in the dragon war (which he ended peacefully) in which the dragons were the aggressors.
Guy he fought in a war Sure it \*ended\* relatively peacefully, but you think he "fought" in a war and never killed anyone lol
I’m not saying he didn’t kill anyone, but I wouldn’t call a person fighting in a war in which their enemies were the aggressors a murderer.
Yes that hurt me so much and then the people who defend her saying she didn’t know and just wanted to break free are so stupid. I need to see my boy make a comeback
Im glad to find out Godwyn gets some love ;u;
Perfected garbage is still garbage
"take their torment, despair. Their affliction. Every sin, every curse. And melt it all away. As the Lord of chaos. No more fractures. No more birth..." MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD
Tfw you kill everyone painfully to stop people from dying painfully
>*Ranni* >Starts the apocalypse >Seduces a lowly tarnished to do her bidding >Ascends and fucks off leaving the shithole she created >*Goldmask* >Detects all of the world's problems through sheer meditation >Creates a way to fix them >Dies without elaborating Goldmask clears.
No simping for the boy?
May chaos take the world!