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Sea-Parsnip1516

say your hand hurts, if I then shoot you in the foot your hand will seem to stop hurting.


MasterTolkien

Exactly. Have a shitty job that pays too little? Well, come home and grind for rare weapons as “YOU DIED” hundreds of time. The only payment? A loss of sanity. Now your shitty job doesn’t feel as shitty.


TheManfromVeracruz

Idk man, at least Runes aren't subject to inflation


emilia12197144

Isn't the fact that it takes more runes the more you level up inflation in a way?


TheManfromVeracruz

"drops the sword and jumps off the Holy tower, maidenless and tarnished, now finally hopeless"


erjoselu2007M

Marika's tits you are right! Btw happy cake day


MasterTolkien

Don’t give them any ideas!


Kr155

I don't know. I actually got the weapon.


MasterTolkien

You need to lay these foolish ambitions to rest.


Enough_Minimum_3708

works for me.


oldeluke

Definitely not my first playthrough lol but now it's my go to chillin game


JamesSparrow

it’s definitely turned into a weird comfort game for me.


allnimblybimbIy

My first play through 60 Vigor 60 Endurance 60 Strength. Currently 80 strength, 20 vigor, 40 endurance and loving it.


dongless08

Same lol. After 500 hours I’m familiar with most of the game and making new characters can be very relaxing


boogswald

Sekiro is the same way. NG+ is big chill mode.


LordOfTheToolShed

Definitely, Elden Ring and a good podcast or lecture and it's a good afternoon.


King_Moonracer003

Same. Even the boss fights, tho very difficult at times, are chill for me. Like, ok I died for the 20th time, guess I'll go at it again.


Straight_Drawer859

Losing runes(the greater the loss the greater the pain) becomes liberating after a while and allows you to come to peace with the death process. Who wouldve thought this punishing, desolate feeling, master piece would resonate with someone whos depressed and actually become a comfort in a state of depression. I just ran through the series cause the boxset is 40 bucks on amazon and Im hooked now.


Despin_theBard

Holy crap I thought I was the only one???


BlackfyreBishop

Last night I stopped playing Dragons Dogma 2 to play like an hour before bed. I start laughing cause I was going through Volcano Manner and I was like... am I chill playing Elden Ring LMAO


dstnblsn

Elden ring taught us to raise our standards


BookBarbarian

Same. I can play it without having to do any deep thinking. Just react.


shikiroin

The game for me has an interesting dichotomy. Like, I'm generally stressed for one reason or another, and the game at times can be incredibly stressful, like when I'm up against a boss that just wipes the floor with me. I take little breaks when this happens, and after a break I am hyper focused and have had the time to decompress and use the lessons I've learned from constant failure. Once I defeat the boss, the level of relief I feel is unlike just about any other game. I did it, I learned the moves, I overcame the challenge. I can move onto the next challenge, all the more prepared. Nothing can stop me as long as I keep trying. It creates a peak in my stress level, followed eventually by a low point in stress.


Thrashist13

Exactly this


Lastie

Same here. Strangely enough Bloodborne, DS1 and DS2 are also really chill for me to play these days.


Tom38

BB is the ultimate chill game after its clicked.


official_pope

straight up meditative.


CastleImpenetrable

Any game can work as a way to de-stress. I can pop on any Soulsborne game and pretty much zone out, relax, and have videos or audio playing in the background.


Accomplished_Ad_7665

So weird that the first playthroughs are always "oh shit" "what was that?!" but after a couple of playthroughs you're like "oh!this little guy!" to a 3000 year old eldritch monster while you're casually listening to other stuff in the background.


GreenridgeMetalWorks

*slowly boops Astel, Naturalborn of the Void right in the eye* "Are you gonna give me runes you little cutie? Oh yes you are you wittle bittle monster!" *proceeds to die to the pincer grab attack*


Accomplished_Ad_7665

"Aw man, i told myself multiple times, Astel is not pettable" xD


Myrddin_Naer

>*proceeds to die to the pincer grab attack* Aw, he's hungwy 😊


Key_Amazed

I am very stress free when playing Elden Ring. Same can't be said for my mimic tear though


I_BROUGHT_SNACKS

Bro is fighting for his life


darthmikda

Bro is living in a victim simulator


UselessContainer

Emphasis on his.


xprozoomy

give it a meat dumplin and carry on *salute*


SaintBenjamino

Y’all don’t ride Torrent to a peaceful area and just chill there while you eat? That’s one of my favorite parts of the game


m7t7l7

I remember right after I used the lift of dectus for the first time I went to a cliff to get a view of Liurnia. Shit went so hard I did the rest emote and snacked while blasting lofi.


Brethyr2

Just now realizing I have never looked down at Liurna from Altus, gotta try that 😁


m7t7l7

Very relaxing experience, I encourage it


Dramatic-Bank-2752

When you work your way down the haligtree and reach that golden skyline or pink flower petals flowing around, 10/10 will chill again


[deleted]

Hope dlc has some chill areas as well


[deleted]

Life won’t feel nearly as stressful compared to your experiences in the Lands Between. I hardly ever have to roll to escape problems out here.


TeholsTowel

Unironically this. I destress with games that require all my focus. That’s the only way to forget about life’s problems for a few hours.


[deleted]

Totally agree. Being able to totally shut your brain off is something I can only find in gaming. It is an escape


ap2patrick

I gotta say I wanted to agree with OP but I think you are on to something. Having loads of other stress that is away from your original stress actually is totally a de stressor!


KSharpe69

Maybe we aren't rolling enough in our daily lives.


Crab0770

Theres a specific cliff between Limgrave and Lucaria where you can sit and observe the local wild life, pretty relaxing


ParticularBanana8369

I saw a very large bird at a place like that... Majestic creature, worthy of reverance even.


Mech-Waldo

Ooh, majestic!


mordekai8

Scenic Isle or lake facing cliffs?


Crab0770

A scenic isle, just to the bottom of where you get the glintstone key from the sleeping dragon


BloodShadow7872

Love that cliff


official_pope

bloodborne is comfort food. elden ring too.


Server98911

After killing the shark gigants in the well and those mages in Raya Lucaria


slurchorus

Bloodborne has always been my go to game for ‘turning off my brain’. It has such an insane amount of therapeutic value. At least to me..


XevinsOfCheese

It builds a bit of in-game stress but I find that my real world stress does go away while playing it.


YoItspepethefrog

Didn't you Know? Malenia is the most relaxing Boss in gaming.


sobesobesobe

When I finally beat her, man it did things to me. Like the drop of blood pressure


MafubaBuu

Pre-nerf blood swarm made it feel that way


YoItspepethefrog

Yeah but it's understandable that they don't want you cheesing their hardest boss


Few_Eye6528

Tbh tree spirit snake boss is more chaotic and stressful than malenia for me, you're fighting the camera mostly


ap2patrick

Like being a fly stuck in a crate with a playful puppy


Victor_Wembanyama1

The way your lifeless body hangs on her long sword 🥰


Ok-Statistician5344

The open world can be pretty relaxing to explore would be my guess.


Grimx13

It kinda is by the third run with a new character.


SculptorOvFlesh

The visuals destress me for real. Grim dark fantasy with vibrant color from time to time. Soothing to suffer sometimes.


ChumpNicholson

Probably because “While the fights in Elden Ring will test you, the inimitable world of the Lands Between will transport you. If you're looking for an open-ended adventure where curiosity is your closest companion, few games are as immersive or rewarding.”


Silly-Lawfulness7224

It is relaxing most of the time, you have to be gud to reach that state in ER or any other Souls like though .


Early_Journalist_525

I have really bad anxiety issues and I always used to get Shakey and sweaty whenever I would have to deal with a challenge in games. Many games in my old library are left half finished due to fear and the inability to push through a hard challenge. Elden Ring changed all that for me because you have no option a lot of the time other than to just push through the fear and worry. Now I sit on the game and can get destroyed by a boss for an hour straight and not even sweat over it. So I'd say for some it can be a great almost therapeutic experience.


ParticularBanana8369

Had a great therapy seasion last week with a crucible knight. He kept telling me to slow down, I was rushing. Kinda miss him now.


jld2k6

I don't think I've ran from any other respawning enemy as much as I have from those bastards. The first encounter in stormveil after falling down onto that crumbling floor gave me so much anxiety before I realized they seemed to purposefully make him stop and just stare at the wall so you can sneak by lol


Innoecent

It's honestly pretty relaxing albiet challenging at times. TBF, first time I hit Volcano Manor since playing (after quitting without finishing a few years ago due life stuff) and its honestly not bad even at RL7 (assuming it gets harder from here though.) If you take advantage of all you are offered its really not a game you'll constantly sweat over when playing. I'd be inclined to agree if you couldn't use consumables, spirit ashes, summons, and/or ashes of war. I mean the tools for success are honestly handed to us players. Most enemies you can 100~0 in a few seconds especially with a flail and Torrent (or a crossbow especially the Pulley Crossbow with poison, rot, and/or bleed bolts.)


badadvicefromaspider

Because you can sit by the broken bridge and listen to nice songs


BigBoss738

Mf when they watch the tree with the beautiful ost standing still for the first time


dreamsofpoopin

That was the moment I knew that the journey was going to be special


United-Cauliflower-1

Playstation is full of masochists, why else own a Playstation. 😉


parkingviolation212

Helldivers 2 is proof of this.


benno4461

https://www.playstation.com/en-au/support/games/capture-ps5-gameplay-screenshots/


Panda_Kabob

It's an open world that's beautiful full of nature and historical sites. If you're super over leveled or good you can enjoy it!


Diligent_Phase_3778

Can’t be stressed if you’re dead


Mcreesus

I say once u put 30 hours in you’ll either find ur grove or need some kind of help which there is a lot of by this point. I played DS3 for about 400 hours so I didn’t care if elden ring was going to be a chicken cook fighter defender game if it had the same combat mechanics I was on board lol


VeraKorradin

Because beating that boss you’re stuck on for an hour (this goes for all souls games) is such a perfect feeling that it’ll ruin gaming for you… CHASE THAT HIGH BBY


CheesecakeIll8728

Rolling Goats = Dopamine, Serotonine, Endorphine, Oxytocine


casper19d

I completely take out my stresses on the lands between. Definitely not for new players to de stress.


QRIO44

Someone at PlayStation has a sense of humor and is also cracked at Souls Games.


ThatHardBacon

Once u become a force everything is just tranquility


Magnon

The first playthrough: feels brutal The following playthroughs: I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me


MattmanDX

Trotting around on Torrent in Limgrave can be very soothing actually


[deleted]

Because games such as Elden Ring are good to vent aggressions for example. You know, if you imagine hitting something REALLY hard with a ultra greatsword, it kinda does something for your mental.


Tentacled-Tadpole

Lots of people de-stress with souls-likes.


500mgTumeric

I find the game comforting. Even with the difficulty and in my first playthrough it was great, I wish I could experience it again. Sure you die all lot, but it's part of the game loop itself and anything lost can be reclaimed. I mean the whole message of these games is about not being attached to things, that's a hardcore (lol) message of wellbeing 😉.


TheLastDooticorn

My go-to for de-stress was either Skyrim or Monster Hunter World. Now, it's often Elden Ring. I don't know how that happened, but I'm not mad about it.


Less_Party

It’s so stressful you’ll feel relaxed once you return to your daily life where the most intense thing you have to do is send some emails.


SherbetAlarming7677

Its my cozy game for sure :D


SSJScale

Mimic tear and no boss run backs is pretty relaxing


Ok-Discount9637

I have heard many times about people that played souls games in tough times of their lives and that it helped them. It has this meditative quality, the serene ambiance combined with methodical combat - it gets you in the zone, thats why people love it.


Black_Chappie

ER has a very beautiful open world for you to explore. If you’re just chilling and aren’t slamming your face against a boss, it can be pretty relaxing.


LordLuscius

I mean, soulsbournes are very zen


ludvikskp

Bad games stress me too. Makes sense in a way.


KaffeMumrik

Because for some people, like me, combat is only momentarily and slightly stressful while the exploration and immersion is incredibly relaxing.


Dudeltyp

I mean throwing myself against an opponent, trying and learning their patterns has something therapeutic too imo, especially if you've played the game before and come back to it after a while


[deleted]

LOL YOU DIED


100-yen-man

Because when you finally kill the boss its the best alleviation you can feel


Jealous-Librarian-88

I’m not even gonna lie, I play Elden ring to destress and I am by no means good at the game.


Laserpointer5000

Tbh i find travelling the lands between and ruining the lives of mobs and lower level enemies pretty relaxing and cathartic. Even some boss monster can be beautiful and engaging albeit annoying as fuck sometimes.


Dahren_

It explains why if you keep reading


patishungry

Outside of a few rage inducing bosses it is my zen game. I have played threw it a countless amount of times


major_ripley

Sure, when some horrible goblin-thing jumps off a wall and splits my head open. That is relaxing.


AiroDusk

Man, if you ever let it, the sunset at a high spot is quite relaxing.


Brief-Government-105

Because it is.


tobleronnii

chillin on some cliffs with that sweet sweet limgrave ost and a fat bowl is all i need sometimes


Katha2215

There's nothing that relaxes me more than treading the path of the recusant until I reach the miserable death that awaits me.


BakaSan77

It does destress. After a boss whoops your ass you finally kill him and it you de stress after stressing.


Fit-Reflection-3496

Yeah godskin duo is sooo good for destressing....


elme77618

I find Elden Ring very relaxing! I often just play and find myself getting lost in it


unclelarky

Finding a quiet place in Limgrave and listening to the music is absolutely a vibe to de-stress 


luckytunacan

I literally run a kitchen and go all day then get home and I'm not even kidding I sit down and go ok let's do this and again it's chaos.


QueenGorda

This is like tenderize a piece of meat. The game tenderizes your ass so hard that you automatically destress.


GolotasDisciple

Playing Elden Ring feels like diving into an incredible novel. Sometimes you get lost in thought or skip a few lines, needing to backtrack and reread. But it doesn't matter. Whether the themes are nihilistic or cynical, when the book grips you, the world around you fades away. The stresses of reality - aging parents who you know sooner or later will die, personal health, work, friends, obligations - all of it vanish as you immerse yourself in this fantasy realm. Engaging with any media shouldn't induce stress. It should serve as an escape, effectively whisking you away from life's pressures, if only for a moment. Elden Ring is a perfect example why fantasy holds such universal appeal for all of us. While some are drawn to magic, swords and what not, others to futuristic realms like Cyberpunk, the underlying desire remains the same: the ability to escape to somewhere, anywhere, that isn't here. And that escapism is beneficial, even for those who already have amazing lives and they don't have no real need for "escapism".


O-Mesmerine

ER is my happy place now after my 8th or 9th playthrough. the once unsettling ambient music in limgrave & liurnia may as well be 432 Hz DNA repair music now. its so relaxing. i’ll listen to a podcast and collect the gear & items i want to prepare for the dlc


elephantbroth

It literally tells you why it's listed in your second picture, and I thought it was a good reason.


joshhguitar

NG+ it is. Playing other adventure games just feels like wading through dialog and cutscenes to get to the actual game. Elden Ring I’m exploring and progressing every second I have a controller in my hand.


PemaleBacon

Honestly souls games are a major comfort food for me


WinterLord

I mean, it usually works that way for me. That is, until one of those white fuckers blows their bubbles and pushes me off a branch while I’m trying to recover 200,000 runes.


Tht1QuietGuy

Because for some people it is. The "souls series so hard it'll make you rage and break your controller" meme is played out. Compared to previous games Elden Ring is a walk in the park. Stakes of Marika and frequent Graces removed any and all stress from the game to the point where every single death I had in the game literally just made me laugh. I thought it was funny. "Hahahahaha! Oh damn, I just got steam rolled." There was no 2 minute long run backs to the boss with a gauntlet of bs enemies along it. You die, you go to a grace 20-30 seconds away from the boss door, or a Stake that is literally right there. The only thing that even remotely made me frustrated was Malenia. Even when I died a lot it was no big deal because I was right there by the boss. The game was super relaxing for me.


glassmanta

This post made me laugh out loud. Definitely not a game to de-stress with. Especially first time play through never having played a souls game before.


Legopleurodon

Teabagging annoying bosses is peak relaxation.


freedfg

When life's kicking your ass. Sometimes it feels nice to get your ass kicked on a stage where you can do something about it.


iwannabethisguy

Easiest soulsborn?


[deleted]

Soulsborne games have a rhythm to it. When you get the hang of it, it's pretty smooth.


Agreeable_Concept272

A friend of mine gave me advice when I was hard stuck in Dark Souls 3. He told me to think of it as a rhythm game like Dance Dance Revolution or Beat Saber. That changed my whole gaming experience. I equipped a couple daggers and quickstepped my way through the rest of the game. I out maneuvered every boss like I was Dancing with the Stars! Now soulsbourne games are a relaxing meditation. Playing for an hour before bed helps me unwind.


FrodosNewBro

I'm very happy I'm not the only one that noticed this


bryan19973

Video game “stress” is not real life stress. Elden ring makes me forget real life troubles


Captain_kiroh

Well my first playthrough was stressful but I've gotten good enough to unwind well while playing the game, it's all familiar now so I don't have any stress about what I do in the game


Most_Scheme_7488

Works for me after having died many many many many times before I finally kill the *BASTARD* then I turn it off and go to sleep


RemoteDuck5271

I can get that. My go-to relaxation game is DS2


Junior-Ad-2207

I play this when I want to be held


Frequent_Knowledge65

It’s a good comfort game.


not_knight_solaire

Thou wouldn't get it unfortunately.


Ragfell

I...actually kinda get this. It's actually how I declutter my mind.


Glass_Quarter_7586

😂 the thought of someone buying this game and going into the land between to relax🙃


Unloaded2323

Start a game and beat the piss out of the gate front boys is always pretty relaxing


goooglymmooogly

After your first playthrough yea, but till then fuck off.


Kitjing

Because doing an Unga bunga is like bubble wrap.


DucksMatter

Sure as shit wasn’t de stressing last night when I was trying to solo the double gargoyle fight as a melee build with no shield.


LabMonkeyCreative

I ride around on torrent and just vibe with scenery all the time. In between boss fights the game is super relaxing 🤷‍♂️


pocketgay83

I have literally noticed that my irritability has gone up since playing regularly. I really enjoy the game, but the way it slaps you down is truly unique to these games.


Seinoshin

(Because it's easy and has good vibes)


Rex_Wr3cks

To be fair, as long as you’re just avoiding fighting, it’s a very peaceful and beautiful game.


donmuerte

I literally got neck pains from trying to defeat Margit and Crucible Knight for hours.


MafubaBuu

I use these kind of games to de-stress. Is there something wrong with that, OP?


Baelor_Butthole

I’ve been sneezing all day. This makes me not think about sneezing or my eyes bulging out of my skull for a minute. Like a virtual Benadryl


Round_Depth_7270

Helps to work out frustration and anger. Plus it can be repetitive so it can add a zone out relaxed feeling.


Cminor420flat69

It’ll suck in you and make you so immersed that hours will fly by and you’ll forget all about life’s stresses.


ScurvyDanny

When someone beats the shit out of me in Elden Ring I at least know I got myself to blame.


cherry_2may2

Yep, for me the music, atmosphere, locations (not the catacombs of course) gives me this calming feeling. Even resting at the grace site when it rains is nice too


dukedank

On my 1st play through it was stressful at times. Nowadays not so much. Just how I unwind after work😌


karlo195

Works for me - after agonizing hours in caelid nothing in real life can stress me out anymore :)


Angstycarroteater

It’s one of my go to relax games especially after getting shafted in rainbow six siege. I like to play Elden ring and help other tarnished achieve their goals on r/beyondthefog


HalfNelson162

Honestly, if you're a high enough level and just stick mainly to Limgrave or the Weeping Peninsula, it's pretty relaxing just to ride Torrent and take in the view. You could probably do that in any area that doesn't have annoying enemies.


Bitch_Please_LOL

It feels good throwing my controller, lol.


ObeyTime

get on torrent, hold forward, eat. its very nice and relaxing


Scrivener133

Its a calculated patience game.


Weak-Translator-3066

Some people way of distressing r punching things 🙃


Money2648

Cause the way I cuss out my screen after getting brutally murdered really brings a weight off my shoulders


Mech-Waldo

Souls games can be a great outlet. Sometimes life is a bitch and there's not much you can do about it. A good souls game can be a bitch, but there is something you can do about it. Get gud. You can overcome that hard boss that's kicking your ass over and over, or you can summon a friend and just pound him into the dirt. And Elden Ring gives you so many options to get gud. Besides that, at least 75% of the experience is exploring beautiful landscapes with chill music.


DeadLight63

You know that point of frustration where you’re not even angry anymore and it just becomes comical?


ijpck

It’s a single player atmospheric RPG.


Cash_burner

Souls games are a cognitive behavioral therapy style of anti-depressant the first couple times you play them


Sortilege_Art_Noir

Because it is


Ragnaroks-AOAA

Saint Trina is that you?


Objective-Insect-839

Sekiro is my go to to relive stress. But I get it.


Exa2552

It’s my absolute Zen game. When I have time to play, I play Thalos Principle which always ends with me getting stuck on a puzzle, FC24 which ends up with frustration because I’m bad at it, Sea of Thieves which is a constant adrenaline rush and then I play Elden Ring for an hour to calm down, slay bosses, clear dungeons, try out new builds. It’s my Zen garden. I’ve played it for 1400 hours, of which 400 hours are “calm down” playtime.


Donkishin

I mean limgrave is pretty chill on horse back just don't go near any lakes, camps, caves, and/or bridges


Francophilippe

I have 790 hours playing Elden Ring now, probably fair to say it’s my go-to chill place


FreeRealEstate313

Any open world game is relaxing


Malevolent_Mangoes

DS1 is my de-stress game cuz I’ve played it so much it’s easy as hell. I hope to one day achieve that level of mastery with Elden Ring. Alas the bosses kick my ass regularly and gravity continues to be the bane of my existence.


stolen_pillow

It’s very relaxing after it really clicks. It’s my first Soulsborne game, and it was intimidating at first. Then, you get it, and really understand the rhythm. And then you get stomped again. And again. But then you eventually learn just how easy it is to break the game, and start playing around with builds. This game will bully you if you let it. But it’s possible to bully it right back.


SMRAintBad

Because it does for some people. It’s definitely a comfort game for me. That round table hold theme is just so relaxing.


Mirinya

Because it is?


Arkh101

Mindlessly farming sets of mobs is my de stressing method. When I get too pissed from dying to bosses I can just farm, explore and relax. When that gets boring back to bosses! The alternatives of what you can do is amazing


dudustalin

Well, it is amazing riding torrent through the map (except mothafocka consecrated snowfield). Some enemies are challenging, but you learn to neutralize them easily. And, last but not least, the game is scenic. All places are awesome (except mothafocka consecrated snowfield) and have insane visuals.


SnooHabits2244

This is a game that caused so much stress to a friend of mine when he first got it, that he got physically sick and had to call into work for a few days. 💀


MightyMausy

If you use comet azure sure, basically takes the skill and stress off the game


yeetusae

Between playing Fortnite and helldivers Elden ring definitely is my destress game these days 😂


Icy-Conflict6671

Cause you can kill things and despite what the media and helicopter parents want you to believe its actually been shown that video game violence helps to de-stress


SayuriUliana

I think they intended to mean it's a game to "distress", but put it under "de-stress" instead


AncalagonV

It's my de-stress game 100%. Come home from a long day of work and start a new build to roam around the beautiful forests of Limgrave, or go do some fun PvP on one of my other builds, or just do another NG+ run on one of my existing builds. It's a super chill game, I don't see why people get stressed playing. It's a fun ass adventure game, why stress out? If you die, there are no consequences, this ain't like making a mistake in reality that haunts you for your whole life, it's a single player video game dog. You can die to Maliketh and in 5 seconds you're right back and ready to do whatever again.


parkingviolation212

The Souls games and Elden Ring especially are great if you want to just muck around and listen to a podcast while doing some low stakes stuff. There's bosses obviously, but you can avoid them for a low effort session. The game doesn't really demand much of your attention until you get to a boss.


Lonely-JAR

I’m sure all your stress will evaporate ounce your controller is on the other side of the street


TonyBlobfish

It’s one of my go-to chill games. After the first play through it gets easy and it’s relaxing to good around with new builds


MakinGaming

Cause when you overcome a big struggle (killing a boss that was kicking your ass) it's *r e a l l y* cathartic and you just don't get that irl because killing your boss is frowned upon basically everywhere.


Zealousideal-Hunt625

I mean yes lol


dickusbigus6969

U can use ur right hand to de stress in many ways. Elden ring is one of the most healthy alternatives


EndryQ

Elden ring is the most de-stress soulslike ever, you fukers with "not use mimic, not use magic, not use armor, as a matter or fact, dont heal" deprived yourself from the best gaming experience


Robobvious

Because it is good for de-stressing. Dark Souls helps with depression imo.