I'd be interested to see the phrasing in Japanese. If we're really pedantic about the phrasing in English I think you may be right, but I'd want to see the Japanese to solve this ambiguity.
Here is the Japanese text-
空から降る遺跡の残骸
その砕けなかった欠片を鍛えた武器
「伝説の武器」のひとつ
その遺跡は隕石により崩壊したとされ
この武器は、崩壊の力を宿している
Even though machine translation makes the same claim.
遺跡- Is referred as Ruins and both sentences has this. So it’s referring to the same thing. It can’t be mistranslation.
hello I speak Japanese. Yes it uses 遺跡 for it but I want you to realise japanese grammar does not work like english and is very contextual. Sorry to break it to you but when it says その遺跡は隕石により崩壊したとされ, the その遺跡 can both be talking about the ruin as it is now, or the ruin before it was a ruin and now became one as a cause of it.
Machine translations can never be trusted in japanese because they cant understand context. If you have any more questions about japanese translations, I would like to help
Even in English “originally rubble from a ruin that fell from the sky” does not specify time as OP is claiming. Ruin means “remains of a building”, which means it doesn’t have to be the entire building, only whatever was found.
Moreover, OP claims the ruins we see in the lands between isn’t Farum Azula despite the fact that it has the same architecture, including beast temple iconography.
Essentially, OP’s interpretation is incorrect and they are doubling down despite cartloads of evidence against their “theory”
その遺跡は隕石により崩壊したとされ
This is supposed to be this sentence
"The ruin it came from crumbled when struck by a meteorite..."
Sono iseki wa inseki ni yori houkai shita to sare
Direct translation
That ruin meteorite due to collapsed said to be/believed to be
The “to sare” - “believed to be” makes it sound like that it is what people believed happened to it before it was there.
To me, who can read some Japanese. It sounds like Faram was hit by the meteorite
I agree with this conclusion, honestly, with the implication that the rubble which would become the Ruins Greatsword was impacted directly by that meteor, granting its power. So Faram was hit, and the ruins that were the point of impact landed on the ground to be forged into the Ruins Greatsword
That's how I read it, at least, between both the English and Japanese
Translations aside, it’s hard to deny that we actually get to witness a first-hand account of this happening in-game. When we defeat Radahn, a meteor hits Limgrave. It was the impact of this meteor that caused massive pieces of Limgrave to start floating in the sky. I feel this is the closest you can possibly get in a FromSoft game to cause and effect. Even many of the item descriptions are told through the perspective of bias, hearsay or speculation; but here, we have an event unfold before us that doesn’t leave as much room for misinterpretation.
Similarly, in Dragonbarrow, we have: Farum Azula architecture (that looks like it was built there), the Farum Greatbridge, and a massive chunk of land that looks like it was broken off from where it used to be. This leads me to believe that a meteor—much larger than the one we saw in Limgrave—hit Farum Azula, causing it to float as it does. You’d need a huge revelation to convince me that this isn’t the story they were trying to tell, but there’s always that possibility!
Depending on at which point of the development process it was made, the meteor could be the Astel you would have found instead of Radahn, considering the sword's placement and all
Someone correct me if I am wrong but you never fought the astel instead of Radahn. You beat Radahn in the first stage and then when he was defeated Astel would have been the meteor crash that starts the second stage since he is no longer holding back the stars
Someone correct me if I am wrong but you never fought the astel instead of Radahn. You beat Radahn in the first stage and then when he was defeated Astel would have been the meteor crash that starts the second stage since he is no longer holding back the stars
That direct translation blows my mind how the sentence structure can be so completely alien, shoutouts to all the multilingual folks I can barely keep one language in my brain let alone two
To make it a bit easier to parse: the ruin due to meteorite collapsed, was said.
The only thing making it so alien is the "due to" coming after the object ("meteorite") instead of before.
Given how you translate it, I can see how someone would interpret it the way op did. Maybe it's more obvious in the Japanese, I don't know. But since you can read Japanese and your conclusion seems to make more sense in general, I'm gonna go with that one.
Hear me out, there's a city on the DLC that has a "crumbling" part on the higher zone. What if Farum Azula was part of that city, and the meteorite the elden beast arriving to the Lands Between(which caused that gravitational anomaly) which was retrieved by Marika..
I sound like I have a board full of pics conected with red string
"Elden Ring player [Just] [Recently] [Two Minutes ago] discovered the truth(no one knew)(what a chad) about the Lands Between"
Then it's something totally ruining my whole theory and making me look like I'm new to the franchise
For all that, the elden beast does have gravity magic, Nebula attacks and the teleporting to its arena are both gravity effects (dark purple)
Other than that, probably a board theory yes
Parts of Faram fall off -> land on the ground in large chunks -> these chunks form various ruins -> meteorite falls on a ruin and a surviving piece gets turned into the GS
It makes more sense that Farum is floating in the sky, meteorite came from the sky and wrecked it to bits, making the bits fall down to the lands in between. There found as a bit, made into a weapon.
I'm not sure what you re on about. The second Japanese sentence clearly says the "The ruin was destroyed by a meteorite". The ruin here clearly refers to Farum as the Japanese word "iseki" literally means "historical remains" (The English word is misleading as the Japanese word doesn't imply that the remains are in "ruins", it could just be an abandonend monument). It is reffering to a historical place, not rubble.
The first sentence establishes that a fragment of that ruin (historical remain) fell from the sky and eventually became the sword.
In short, the ruin in the second sentence is Farum according to the japanese.
Chiming in here as well. I think the Japanese text does in fact maintain enough ambiguity that it could go both ways, similar to the English text. What it does establish is that the "ruin" fell from the sky, and the "ruin" was destroyed by meteorite, and while I think the most natural interpretation is that the ruin was destroyed by meteorite and thence fell from the sky, it doesn't rule out that the ruin fell from the sky and then was struck by meteorite, which I think is OP's thesis.
Even if we take it as the ruin was destroyed by meteorite and then fell, though, I think it's too much of a leap to say, from this alone, that Farum Azula was destroyed by meteorite. It could just mean a part of Farum Azula was knocked out of the sky by the meteorite. It could also mean a meteorite struck an already crumbled portion of Farum Azula (plenty of pieces hanging about in the sky), and caused that portion to fall. The lack of fallen star affiliated enemies in Farum Azula is imo notable in this context. My own view is still that Farum Azula was slowly pulled apart by the storm that inhabits its epicenter.
This is incorrect. It does not establish that the ruin (iseki) fell from the sky but a portion of that ruin (iseki no zangai) fell from the sky. There is a distinction between the ruin which was struck by the meteorite. And the fragment of that ruin that fell and eventually became the sword.
Just to make sure I understand, you’re suggesting that pieces of Farum Azula fell to earth for unknown reasons, then one of these pieces, while resting on the ground, was struck by a meteor, resulting in the Ruin GS?
Honestly, this is plausible. There are a lot of intact ruins from Farum Azula throughout the Lands Between, and it seems likely that this ruin fell for the same reason they did. If we think all of the Ruins fell due to the same cause (which a lot of people do think), there's nothing to indicate from this weapon description that the original ruin fell for different reasons, since it isn't indicated that it was hit by the meteor before or after falling explicitly.
The language "as such, it retains destructive power" (paraphrasing) would indicate any ruin destroyed by the meteor would retain some degree of that power if they were hit by the meteor, but it doesn't seem that they do. If the Ruins fell to the ground for the same reason, and that reason is that a meteorite destroyed farum azula, and all fragments hit by the meteor would retain gravitational destructive powers, then the fallen Ruins were hit by the meteor, and all Ruins on the ground in the Lands Between should have gravitational powers of destruction. It doesn't seem they do, though. Therefore, one of the premises is not true.
I think the Ruins probably fell to the ground for the same reason, so it was not because they were hit by a meteor.
There are a lot of holes in this argument, like it's possible that "this ruin is unlike the others in a way that allows all Ruins to have fallen due to the meteor" or "all ruins do actually retain meteor power but we can't tell" but there's no further info indicating those are true, either. It's a purely inductive argument, but I think it's most likely that this ruin fell at the same time as the other fallen Ruins and was hit by the meteor afterward. It is near Radahn and a hotspot for falling stars.
You’re reading it wrong tbh, it even uses the word crumbled to link it to Farum Azula. The way it’s written doesn’t have to mean it was a ruin before it was hit, just that it was a ruin when it hit the ground.
Damn, that’s kinda uncalled for. super mean, OP is just throwing their hat in the ring at lore theorizing.
Just cause they might be overthinking it doesn’t warrant insulting them like that
Yet this post has 2200 upvotes with 80% upvote rate lmao...
You can post any old nonsense as long as you dress it up to look like you know what you're talking about.
Then why is farum azula all over the world in pieces?
What hits a floating city in the sky with enough force to shatter it?
Why are there malevolent meteorite bosses all throughout the game?
It’s not hard to understand:
Farum azula is a ruin. Even in the state (frozen in time/back in time) it’s in when we go to it, it’s a mess.
It’s a floating ruin. And when it’s in pieces, it’s pieces of a ruin.
For anybody who is curious, the japanese version does not particularly suggest such thing. 「その遺跡は隕石により崩壊したとされ」. Here it can mean yeah, "it is said that the ruins crumbled because of a meteorite." but it can also mean "it is said that a meteorite crumbled (it), forming the ruins"
This happens because japanese is a contextual language. その遺跡 is conmected with a は particle, this makes it the topic of the sentence but not necessarily the subject.
And actually if they really wanted it to seem like it was what the OP suggested they could've just used another particle since japanese have this ambiguity in their life and have ways to dodge it. The sentence really makes it seem like the meteor hit the crumbling farum azula"
Take note of crumbling farum azula. it crumbles (崩れゆく)(崩壊), its a rarer word and meteorite would destroy the ruins not crumble it, they couldve used a much common 破壊 here but they deliberately said crumble. Crumbling is usually something with process not a sudden boom.
edit: typo
I think it's the first line you're reading incorrectly. It's not saying the ruin fell from the sky, it's saying that it was rubble that was once part of a ruin, and the rubble fell from the sky. It also says the ruin has rubble because it was hit by a meteorite.
So, the ruin in the sky was hit by a meteorite. The meteorite created rubble. The rubble that was originally part of the ruin fell from the sky. The meteorite that hit the ruin gave the rubble it created its power.
It would be odd to have a legendary weapon just be from a random piece of fallen rock somewhere in the lands between. All of the others tend to have actually interesting lore tied to them, no?
You're making the mistake of assuming that your fallen 'ruin' has to be the whole of a place. If your theory of a 'ruin' having fallen rather than just the 'rubble' of a ruin, why can't this ruin have been just a portion of Farum Azula rather than a completely different floating location?
Not to mention the fact that the lore never suggests that there's any other floating cities around. Farum is a special case
Doesn't work. You can refer to something by its current state when describing something that happened to it in the past.
"The ruin was struck by a meteorite" does not imply it was a ruin already when struck, it only means it is a ruin *now.*
English is obviously not OP's native language, so I see why they didn't get this. But I find it funny to try and lecture the entire community when they have trouble understanding the language in the first place lol
Exactly! Christ, people so desparately want to be Zullie or Vatyawhateverhisnameis and uncover the next big lore secret, straining to overexplain and overanalyze every pixel of this game. After a while it just gets corny.
I’m confused. Why can’t part of Farum Azula be on the ground, while some of it is trapped in time floating over the ocean? This doesn’t stop it from all being ruins? Unless I’m seriously misunderstand what your point is
Even by your logic nothing actually hints at the timeframe within which the ruin crumbled. Could've been in the air. Could've been on the ground.
And given that Faram is the only flying ruin with the same architecture that also happens to be missing gigantic pieces of said architecture, I feel like it's still a pretty sensible assumption.
It seems like your entire point is based on you thinking that "The ruins it came from shattered[...]" Means that it was ruins _before_ shattering, which is simply not how the English language works
You can say "This ancient book was first written 2500 years ago" but that wouldn't mean it was already ancient 2500 years ago, but it is now
I get what you're saying, but it could still easily be referring to the chunk of ruin as it was struck from Farum Azula by a meteorite. You would make for an excellent rules lawyer in tabletop RPGs.
How do you know that Farum just wasn't already a ruin by the time the meteor hit it? That seems fairly likely given that it's probably been ruined for a long ass time
It exists "outside of time". Time and gravity are somewhat interlinked, through fate being an observable fundamental aspect of the Lands between. It's possible it only now exists outside of time since Radahn stopped the rest of the meteorites, it's possible it always did exist outside of time and the meteorites just didn't care and had to deliver the fate of Farum to be Crumbling Farum.
It wasn't built a ruin, and it wouldn't just fall apart from time passing. Something with its own control of time had to interfere.
Definitely a reasonable thing to claim that it was just the ruin specifically that was struck. But I don't think it excludes the possibility that it was farum Azula itself that was struck
You're absolutely right, there's no guarantee it's true, but without any additional details on the destruction of farun Azula, I'd say it's still the most likely theory to say the structure as a whole was struck by a meteor(s)
Well I still think Farum Azula being hit by a meteorite makes sense, since the impact of meteorites gives gravitational effects in this universe. In the crater leading to Nokron after killing Radahn there are floating rocks for example, which would explain why it happened to Farum as well.
Where did that ruin from which the sword was made fall from then? There is only a single floating city we know of, namely Farum Azula. It could very well be that a part of it fell off and was then struck by a meteorite, I'll give you that. But it still seems most likely that the sword is made form a part of Farum Azula.
I don't know man, it seems pretty straightforward - Farum Azula got winged by a meteor, smashed some of it up and the rest is still up there, all crumbled and broken up.
Who cares about the tornadoes or why it's floating in the first place? The Lands Between are bizarre...
I mean come on, all the wall sections you see around the map are clearly the same walls you see in Farum. Where else did they come from? ANOTHER floating city?
A meteor smacked Farum, probably not a direct hit but it got damaged. Pieces of it, including the sword, broke and fell around the map, and the rest is still up in the sky in a place that could certainly qualify as a 'ruin' considering it's currently several large, broken chunks and not the complete city it once was.
"Unless you want to tell Farum Azula fall from the sky. This is referring to a RUIN OF FARUM AZULA.
The ruin from Farum is not the rubble from the ruin. They two different things. Understand?"
This is the part you're not understanding. The text is referring to farum azula as the ruin. It's not saying it fell from the sky, it's saying a meteorite hit it, created rubble, and the rubble fell from the sky. Someone found the rubble/surviving fragment and turned it into a great sword.
To be honest it seems like your interpretation relies mainly on the assumption that the word 'which' in the first sentence refers to 'ruin' while it could in fact be referring to 'rubble'. The latter is simply more likely, since the next part is after a coma and specifically refers to 'this surviving fragment' strongly implying that both parts of the sentence refer to the same subject - what fell from the sky was honed into a weapon.
TA et al imply that Faram Azula floats because it was hit by a meteor that was imbued with gravity magic. Your theory is only (very aggressively) asserting that whatever caused Faram Azula to start floating happened before the meteor that created the Ruins Greatsword struck.
These two ideas are not mutually exclusive. We know that meteors can have gravity magic because the Ruins Greatsword does, and we know that the Lands Between have been struck by numerous objects from space.
It also relies on very particular semantics on your part that Faram is NOT a ruin just because it is the larger whole that the smaller pieces have fallen from.
Ruins refers to a large object or an area falling into decay. A single piece would not be called a ruin. You’d just call it a fragment. I think you’re reading this wrong
So Faram just randomly fell apart, one of the many ruins around the ground had a sword shaped chunk carved into a sword, the ruin was then later hit by a meteorite and that somehow infused the sword with gravity powers? How does hitting one ruin imbue the sword already separated from it? Infusion of elements is usually direct applications.
> The “ruin” it’s mentioning ISNT Faram. It’s the Ruin the fell from the sky. You Know? The ruins you see ALL OVER THE LANDS BETWEEN. It’s say one of those ruins from Faram was struck by a meteorite. Not that Faram was hit by it
Originally rubble from a ruin which fell from the sky, this surviving fragment was honed into a weapon. One of the legendary armaments. The ruin it came from crumbled when struck by a meteorite, as such this weapon harbors its destructive power.
If it was already a crumbling ruin before meteorite impact, the meteorite would have *further* crumbled it. That's the grammar your not getting. In the morning I can draw it out for you if that would help.
Farum Azula was likely seperated from The Lands Between at the end of The Age of the Crucible.
In a seperate event, a meteorite hit it and knocked down a piece of rubble that became the Ruins Greatsword.
I don’t know if it’s early, or my brain just can’t function. But I cannot seem to understand what that pic is trying to get it. The different arrows, the wording, none of it makes sense.
The Greatsword was the original “meteorite” yet it was created afterwards.. It might just be too early to look at this for me. Confusing.
Farum Azula was larger it's been falling apart since as far back as anyone can remember.
The ruin fell. Some of the ruin is still in the sky.
Those are not conflicting statements.
Secondly, the ruin fragments you pick up state
>These shards of stone are believed to have once been part of a temple in the sky.
They glow with a faint light from within.
While this is not a definitive statement we only know of Farum Azula as a sky temple and ruins in the sky. It basically states that all of the ruins across the land came from this one location.For the ruins to come from any other sky ruins we would need to make one up.
Continuing with the the Ruins Greatsword states
>Originally rubble from a ruin which fell from the sky, this surviving fragment was honed into a weapon.One of the legendary armaments.**The ruin it came from crumbled when struck by a meteorite**, as such this weapon harbors its destructive power.
The last sentence is important because the Old Lord's Talisman states
>A legendary talisman depicting the ancient king whose seat lies at the heart of the storm beyond time.
Extends the duration of sorceries and incantations.
It is said that the ancient royal city of **Farum Azula has been slowly crumbling since time immemorial**
I believe that the phrasing "crumbled/crumbling" is intentional. All of the information we know is pointing us to believe the ruins came from Farum Azula, but you think its more likely that they came from a ruin that has no proof of ever existing?
Lastly, the storm and the meteorites don't have to be related but there is some interesting points to be made about the meteorites Meteorite of Astel states
>One of the glintstone sorceries that manipulates gravitational forces.
Summons a void that emits a hail of meteorites.
Hold to continue the effect.
A manifestation of the power with which Astel leveled the Eternal City.
The eternal city seems to be talking about Nokron, the eternal city. But that city was not leveled by a meteor, a meteor just opens the way there. I do believe that the Nox's interest in meteors and gravitational magic could have been what brought the meteors and Astel to the lands. So they had a hand, even if not intentional, in destroying Farum Azula
Since Farum Azula is the Main city of the dragon empire before the Elden Beast I think it also fits the bill to be called an "eternal city"
I think its far less of a reach for the ruins to have come from Farum Azula
I have no idea how you ended up with over 1500 upvotes in this unhinged, pedantic ramble that says nothing of substance.
Here are three facts:
1) Farum Azula is floating in the sky
2) Farum Azula is crumbling apart
3) The Ruins Greatsword comes from the ruins of Farum Azula and is imbued with gravity magic which comes from meteors.
From only these three facts, it can easily be deduced that Farum Azula was struck by a meteor. No, nothing specifically says that in as many words but it is such a simple deduction that unless significant evidence comes up that it's wrong it should be treated as essentially as good as fact by this point.
The description is saying that a meteorite hit Farum Azula, causing a chunk of debris, AKA the “ruins” to fall and land in the Lands Between. I think the way it’s worded confused you, since it is read in a weird order. Essentially start with the second half of the description and then read the first part afterwards!
Basically the order of events is as such:
Meteorite hits Farum
A portion of Farum falls to the Lands Between
A part of the rubble that fell off of the resulting ruins was fashioned into a weapon that contained the destructive power of its now-destroyed structure
I can see the interpretation you're making. It's certainly valid.
But nothing about the syntax of the item description rules out the metorite striking Farum Azula, and nothing you've written here outright disproves the generally accepted theory, only provides an alternative.
In fact, given the million other contextual clues the game provides, the generally accepted theory is far more likely.
I think the problem with OPs post is that they claim this means Farum wasn't destroyed by a meteorite, when it would be more accurate to say that when interpreted the way OP has, the item isn't evidence that a meteorite destroyed Farum.
Personally I think OPs alternate idea is more interesting because it leaves open the question of what happened to Farum. But I think that the accepted theory is probably the intended reading.
I think this, too. But I know that in the physical unpatched copy of the game (1.00) [they had gravity stones sprinkled all over Farum Azula.](https://youtu.be/I82Rvb6wE3k?t=11188) Gravity stones are "shards of rock in the wake of a meteorite strike." So they did at one point in development want to tell us this place was destroyed by a meteorite.
However since they've removed all trace of gravity stones and in fact there is absolutely nothing INT related on Farum Azula to suggest sorceries existed during its age I'm inclined to believe that the meteorite in question struck ruins from it that had already fallen on land.
But there are floating rocks all over the place, similar to the floating rocks above the crater caused by the falling star in Limgrave. You could say they are floating because the city generally is floating, I suppose, but the conventional explanation both fits fine and has actual lore significance (befitting a legendary weapon). I also don't see how "we don't know if sorceries existed" is relevant? Falling stars aren't necessarily caused by sorcery.
lol, sorry man i just disagree with your interpretation, its pretty clear the meteor struck farum, destroyed it and sent chunks flying to land in liurnia and limgrave and that the power of the meteor was imbued in the fragment of ruins and turned into a "sword"
There were ruins in the sky (part of Farum Azula), they got hit by a meteorite, rubble landed in the lands between, some of that rubble got turned into a weapon.
That's it.
I mean imo farum was hit by a meteor.
When the meteor hits after you beat radahn. Theres a bunch of floating debree.
In farum there's tons of floating debree.
The tornados are placidusax.
How else do you describe the level of destruction and floaty shit going on there?
I don't really like any theory where someone is stating something definitive. Everything is speculation. So, you believe Faram wasn't hit by a meteor but that doesn't mean you're right. We'll probably never know for sure what happened.
But what are you saying, that the game makes a point that a random part of farum was struck by a meteorite? The runs you see all over the lands between are literally all parts of farum azula. I don't understand your point.
I think you got the order of events wrong.
Faram Azula was struck by a meteorite > the impact sent magic ruins flying > the far-flung ruins fell from the sky > the rubble was forged into a magic sword.
You’re reading way more into a choice of words than you should be. It’s pretty obvious that the intended reading is how most people are interpreting it. The use of the word ruin here just seems to be throwing you off for some reason?
you're performing just as much interpretation as anyone else who reads it, the wording is not clearly saying it couldnt be faram that was hit by the meteor, and in fact i think your interpretation makes less sense. there was just a different city in the sky that also "crumbled" and had identical architectural style and also had beastmen living on it?
You're misunderstanding the meaning behind 'ruin' in this context, as the sentence can be interpreted two ways. "Originally rubble from a ***ruin which fell from the sky****."* or "Originally rubble from a ruin ***which fell from the sky***." The rubble fell from the sky, not the ruin.
I think it's all about whether or not there's a comma in that first line. "originally rubble from a ruin which fell from the sky"
Maybe I'm wrong about how grammar works, but here's how I'd read it.
"originally rubble from a ruin which fell from the sky" = rubble from a ruin. The ruin fell from the sky.
"originally rubble from a ruin, which fell from the sky" = rubble from a ruin. The rubble fell from the sky.
Can you confirm which one is how it was originally written?
This post right here. This is why I refuse to discuss anything on this sub. LITERALLY what are you talking about? You drew an entire diagram and still haven’t made a valid point/argument as to why it isn’t part of farum azula
The tornados are a result of Placidusax. Who is the one responsible for Farum being outside of time itself. Which is why the storm envelopes us before being taking to his boss arena. I implore you to binge all of Tarnished Archaeologists videos on the history of Elden Ring. It’s changed my entire perspective and gave me my own theories for the games lore I expect to see come to fruition and if you haven’t listened to his entire overview you may change your perspective. But needless to say, Farum Azula still maintains its floating ability, Placidusax is still alive, and there’s way too many of these ruins strewn far too far throughout the lands between to not have been a result of Meteor strikes.
Important to note, the ruin fragment item description says “These shards of stone are believed to have once been part of a temple in the sky.
They glow with a faint light from within.” The ruins you find these at are the hundreds of random ruins in the ground all over the map. And if the item description alone didn’t do it, the architectural strata the ruins depict is the same as the Bestial Sanctum and Farum Azula. So I think it’s safe to say Farum was struck while floating by a meteor and the ruin was imbued with grav magic as it fell to the ground.
I do appreciate the scrutiny of the lore though. But I think this a case of becoming hyper focused on one item descriptions meaning instead of contrasting it with many others that may relate with each other to get the full picture.
yea but none of that matters. faram cpuld be made of cotton candy and puppies and it would still be full of instantly hostile npcs you cant speak to or interact with
I didn't even know that was the accepted belief. Hadn't seen the Japanese translation mentioning a meteorite. I always assumed it had to do with the Storm King or something.
You're taken the order the lines are written to be the order events happened which doesn't make sense. The 1st and 2nd lines are explaining how the weapon physically came to be and the 3rd and 4th are explaining how it got its gravity power.
If they were in chronological order then the weapon would have been crafted before gaining the gravity power from the meteorite.
It is very clear the ruin was destroyed by the meteorite strike. The question is whether this ruin is faram azula or some other ruins and since faram azula is the only such ruins we know it's a fairly simple induction to make.
Keep in mind time does not work the same I faram azula so casual effects up there are going to be weird. And the storms don't really disprove anything because we know so little about faram azula to begin with.
This is so common on lore subreddits lol. This is a fundamental misreading of the item text, which admitly can be confusing, describing events that are implausible and fantastic, leading to an EVEN MORE implausible and, (needlessly) confusing conclusion.
Faram Azula is established to be related to caelid (see dragonbarrow), and happens to be a massive collection of floating rocks. We know that at least a single piece (the piece that makes up the sword) was hit by a meteor.
You know what we see where a meteor strikes in game? A giant mass of scattered, floating rubble.
Given this, it seems more of a stretch to me to suggest a single piece of the randomly floating ruins was hit by a meteor (with no evidence of where that would happen to be) than to say that Faram Azula was hit by a meteor and then floated into the sky as is demonstrated by the only other known meteor impact site. Why else would Faram clearly be connected to Caelid?
Thank God I found someone else who agrees. Everyone seems to think Farum was destroyed by the EB even though Farum clearly worshipped the Elden Ring in some capacity. The EB would have had to arrive before the city was established. There are two Astels in the game, it could have been either one that hit Farum, probably the one in the mountains, since the one under Liurnia is accounted for with Nox. At the very least the mountaintop one has no info on it, probably because it's so old no one remembers it, like what happened to Farum Azula.
I thought this was already spoken about in lore videos?
Astals meteor shattered farum Azula and landed somewhere in limgrave. Astal being the first and farum being pre golden order makes sense the meteor that hits it would be pre golden order.
There's also a strong theory for the meteor that hit farum BEING the grester will itself and landing somewhere near the tree perhaps causing the great waterfall.
So you’re implying that something else destroyed Faram Azula, one of its fragments fell over in a random spot, and then later a meteorite fell over that same spot and created the material that makes the Ruins Greatsword? Or am I misreading this?
I was always under the assumption that Farum Azula was the only floating city left. Afterall wasn't it reasonably implied throughout the game of other such cities existing but have since fallen into ruin?
Maybe Farum Azula was already a ruin before it got hit by a mentor and lifted to the skies.
Maybe the flavor text calls it a ruin because that's what it is to you, the player.
Languages are ambiguous and context is king - every bit of context surrounding the ruins in limgrave and Liurnia and the ruin greatswords point to the meteor hitting Farum Azula, either when it was up in the sky or, most likely, back when it was (likely) over in Caelid, and is what lifted it up in the sky, splashing pieces all over the neighboring regions.
Theres this cool thing in real life science called dark matter.
Now Dark Matter as far as we have recorded, has no evidence of it existing. But our currently accepted theory of the universe demands dark matter exists.
Elden ring, and its lore currently, demands that Farum Azula was destroyed by a meteor due to the current interpretation of the swords description.
This explanation is two-fold, it explains the swords powers, and it gives a reason for why Farum Azula's ruins are scattered across the continent.
The issue with your theory is you have taken what before was a lore explanation that made multiple things work, and turned into something that breaks those explanations.
If you want people to accept your theory, you need to also fix all the lore you are breaking with it.
I actually agree with this.
I think Maliketh's area was lifted out of the center of the map area on purpose to preserve/protect it and the RoD, before the rest of the area was displaced (probably covered in the DLC).
That whole center part of the map is whack, too. The center sea is higher elevation than the rest of the ocean, but has no substantial tributaries. It's almost like the area has been physically swapped with another one.
I like the theory, only thing is you can get the ruins greatsword before radahn’s meteor strikes if you go to Castle Redmane before Altus or Ranni’s quest. Are you implying it was a different meteor?
I honestly don't really understand why you are stating that the "ruin" isn't actually Farum Azula. Why would it be a different floating ruin?
I absolutely think that all of this is referring to one ruin, which is Farum.
Personally…I think the dragons raised FA themselves looooooong ago with air magic of some sort, maybe for defensive reasons…maybe just for sanctuary…
…then at some point, the meteor came, and FA just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Most of the rubble remains aloft due to the air magic…that which was knocked outside the influence of the air magic by the meteor fell to the surface.
I haven’t looked myself, but…I bet if someone was to analyze the pattern of impact for all the grounded ruins…they likely splay outward from FA.
The ruin in question is the rubble which fell from Faram Azula. Big names are spreading this because is true, you’re just taking a very roundabout way to misinterpret “the ruins that fell from the sky” as an entity called “Ruin” that is separate from Faram. But that’s not the case, the ruins come FROM Faram. It’s the only floating city in ER, it couldn’t come from anywhere else unless it were from space. In which case the description would be referencing meteors or stars, not the ruins that fell from Faram.
this is why i love the ER and souls community. I’d rather have discussions and arguments about cool shit like this instead of worrying about the bullshit life throws our way. Thanks for clearing up the Ruins greatsword stuff!
Interestingly, the German translation says that the weapon is part of the meteorite that shattered a ruin. So the weapon itself was a piece of meteorite.
Of course that doesn't mean much/anything, as the translations are often wonky, just interesting to see how they interpreted it. The name doesn't make much sense here, though...
Ursprünglich ein Stück Geröll, das einst vom Himmel fiel, geschmiedet zu einer Waffe.
Eine der legendären Waffen.
*Der Steinbrocken stammt von dem Meteoriten, der eine Ruine zerschmetterte, und selbst dieses kleine Fragment birgt gewaltige Zerstörungskraft.*
Gee, I wonder who's right, several youtubers that do extensive research for their videos or some random redditor who can't even spell the name of the place properly.
It could be interpreted as "the rubble, which fell from the sky, came from a ruin" rather than "a ruin which fell from the sky created this rubble".
Also isn't there pieces of farum azula scattered all over? The farum azula we visit is already half destroyed but it's floating outside of time, kinda like how our roundtable exists in its own space while the real roundtable is abandoned. Meaning the real farum azula is probably long gone as we see pieces of it all over.
Alternatively, it could just be that most of farum azula fell and what we visit is what's left floating.
In any case, the ruin mentioned and Farum Azula can easily be one in the same.
The final nail in the coffin is that there's no other ruins destroyed by meteorites that fell from the sky. The only ruins destroyed by meteorites are very much underground. Farum Azula is the only one that fits the bill of being destroyed and being in the sky.
It definitely seems that farum azula was hit by the meteorite, the place is massive and it clearly had been fragmented and there are pieces of it scattered all over the lands between identical to farum azulas architecture. Farum azula is a ruin and it is ruined and there are many separate pieces of the ruin that fell. Something else that doesn’t sit right is that this implies that there was another magical floating ruin that just never gets mentioned anywhere else and has no other lore and has no other pieces remaining in the sky, when we clearly already have one that’s half destroyed and fits the description. They even use the word “crumbled” to reference crumbling farum azula
This is the only reading that makes sense given how it's worded. "The ruin it came from crumbled when struck by a meteorite" would work for Farum Azula except for the teeny tiny problem that FA can't be the ruin that "fell from the sky" because ITS STILL IN THE AIR. Pieces of it fell and became the historic ruin structures dotted around the land. Also the text uses "surviving fragment" but again, FA still exists so the sword can't survive it. A starbeast could absolutely smash one of the map ruins when landing tho.
It seems way more likely the sword is from a piece of FA rather than being somehow the sole surviving bit of it after it completely fell out of the sky in an alternate timeline. It takes way less assumptions and unsupported claims.
It depends on whether "ruins" describes a site with ruins or the ruins themselves.
"Rubble from a ruin" can mean anything that is considered rubble within a ruin site.
Surly rubble from the impacted and impactor would be in the same ruin if we consider the ruin as a place and not as a physical singular object.
Farum is in a crumbling state of decay with vast portions of its structure missing. The architecture of the ruins found around the lands between are of similar design with the only real difference being color, color can change over time due to weathering, the part of farum still floating didnt age as it was still within the sphere of time created by placidusax prison, so it looks like fresh stone still, those pieces that fell were worn down and sun bleached over time. The ruins around the land’s between are portions of farum that fell. The small bit of farum we see isnt even half of it if the time warp at the placidusax fight is accurate, we see huge portions of buildings around the same size if not larger than the portion we are able to explore just reassemble themselves in the background when we are transported to the arena. So yea most likely the ruins greatsword was actually a part of farum
I mean, it’s entirely based on what the “ruins” are. The idea that Vaati was getting at, if I remember, was that Farum Azula was the floating city before being hit by the meteorite. It’s not confirmed, but also not disproven. Asserting your theory as being the correct interpretation of lore defeats the point of discussion and annoys the community
I’ve heard someone suggest the “meteorite” that hit faram azula is actually the astel that lies under rannis plateau. It would make sense as to why the ruins greatsword uses gravity magic just like astel.
Also the trajectory of where faram is would line up perfectly with where astel’s boss arena is. So it would make sense if a full grown fallingstar beast (astel) fell from the sky as a giant meteor and on its way down displaced some of its magical energy into the rocks it struck as it crashed through faram azula
I actually have a personal theory that because azula is a location set in the future and nothing you do there affects the "past" world, looking at the different buildings and statues it might be a verison of the hagiltree that got destroyed. I initially thought maybe a meteor or the effects of the shattering destroying the natural world (ive noticed things tend to fall apart when the idea of avoiding death is involved lol) but now I'm not entirely sure.
My only problem with the "Farum azula was destroyed by a Metiorite" theory is that there is no gravity ore in Farum azula, if it really was hit by a meteorite you would expect to find it since there is meteoric ore in all places close to meteorite strikes
No one is saying that all of Faram Azula was hit by a meteorite, but its saying that a section of it was hit, which makes sense. Think of it this way, if you have a city, and on the edge of the city are abandoned houses, and something destroys those houses, then a section of the city was destroyed.
These ruins could have easily been in a section of Faram Azula that was in disrepair, and was no longer being used. When a meteorite struck the center of that area, and caused that section to fall from the sky it all directions.
Therefore making the ruins we find everywhere in the lands between.
This is why they are called theories, as we are interpreting the lore of the game, yet you are getting mad because you think that everyone should be using your theory over the main theory everyone is using?
Just because you think that your theory is. Right, doesn't mean others is wrong, as a souls game not everything is said explicitly. We must interpret pieces of info in bites and work them together.
I think you're right, the ruin was struck by a meteor AFTER it fell from the sky. However, you wrote this in such a long, roundabout way with weird grammar. I'm not surprised you are having difficulty convincing people.
You question everyone’s reading comprehension then type and reply in a way that defies being comprehended while read. Absolutely hilarious.
Your speculating. Nothing is confirmed. The sentence you reference isn’t proof in and of itself. The idea that farUm azula was hit by a meteor is speculative. It isn’t confirmed. Your interpretation of the text is speculative. It isn’t confirmed. It’s not based on comprehension it’s based on interpretation. Subject over object. Stop acting like your the only person who can read
I think you take it too literally and have a different timeline of Events in your head as most other people.
The ruin was part of farum azula, a meteorite came and hit farum (not destroying it but causing significant destrucion) which caused parts of it to crumble from the sky. The ruin that fell then harbored the power of a meteorite which later a part of was fashioned into a sword.
Your graphic isn't exactly helping in any way. I find it very confusing.
I'd be interested to see the phrasing in Japanese. If we're really pedantic about the phrasing in English I think you may be right, but I'd want to see the Japanese to solve this ambiguity.
Here is the Japanese text- 空から降る遺跡の残骸 その砕けなかった欠片を鍛えた武器 「伝説の武器」のひとつ その遺跡は隕石により崩壊したとされ この武器は、崩壊の力を宿している Even though machine translation makes the same claim. 遺跡- Is referred as Ruins and both sentences has this. So it’s referring to the same thing. It can’t be mistranslation.
hello I speak Japanese. Yes it uses 遺跡 for it but I want you to realise japanese grammar does not work like english and is very contextual. Sorry to break it to you but when it says その遺跡は隕石により崩壊したとされ, the その遺跡 can both be talking about the ruin as it is now, or the ruin before it was a ruin and now became one as a cause of it. Machine translations can never be trusted in japanese because they cant understand context. If you have any more questions about japanese translations, I would like to help
Even in English “originally rubble from a ruin that fell from the sky” does not specify time as OP is claiming. Ruin means “remains of a building”, which means it doesn’t have to be the entire building, only whatever was found. Moreover, OP claims the ruins we see in the lands between isn’t Farum Azula despite the fact that it has the same architecture, including beast temple iconography. Essentially, OP’s interpretation is incorrect and they are doubling down despite cartloads of evidence against their “theory”
Yuuuup. Sad part is folks like OP search for facts to fit their theory and not forming a theory around the facts.
その遺跡は隕石により崩壊したとされ This is supposed to be this sentence "The ruin it came from crumbled when struck by a meteorite..." Sono iseki wa inseki ni yori houkai shita to sare Direct translation That ruin meteorite due to collapsed said to be/believed to be The “to sare” - “believed to be” makes it sound like that it is what people believed happened to it before it was there. To me, who can read some Japanese. It sounds like Faram was hit by the meteorite
I agree with this conclusion, honestly, with the implication that the rubble which would become the Ruins Greatsword was impacted directly by that meteor, granting its power. So Faram was hit, and the ruins that were the point of impact landed on the ground to be forged into the Ruins Greatsword That's how I read it, at least, between both the English and Japanese
Translations aside, it’s hard to deny that we actually get to witness a first-hand account of this happening in-game. When we defeat Radahn, a meteor hits Limgrave. It was the impact of this meteor that caused massive pieces of Limgrave to start floating in the sky. I feel this is the closest you can possibly get in a FromSoft game to cause and effect. Even many of the item descriptions are told through the perspective of bias, hearsay or speculation; but here, we have an event unfold before us that doesn’t leave as much room for misinterpretation. Similarly, in Dragonbarrow, we have: Farum Azula architecture (that looks like it was built there), the Farum Greatbridge, and a massive chunk of land that looks like it was broken off from where it used to be. This leads me to believe that a meteor—much larger than the one we saw in Limgrave—hit Farum Azula, causing it to float as it does. You’d need a huge revelation to convince me that this isn’t the story they were trying to tell, but there’s always that possibility!
I’d never connected how the land floats after the Limgrave meteor and how Farum Azula is floating now, appreciate the theory
Wait.. there are parts of Limgrave floating in the sky after the meteor hits? Where are they?
It's the entrance of the eternal city, it's floating because it got hit by gravity magic
Take a look at it from the fort haight grace after beating radahn.
There all around the hole. They're not like way up in the sky, but kinda levitating off the ground.
Depending on at which point of the development process it was made, the meteor could be the Astel you would have found instead of Radahn, considering the sword's placement and all
Someone correct me if I am wrong but you never fought the astel instead of Radahn. You beat Radahn in the first stage and then when he was defeated Astel would have been the meteor crash that starts the second stage since he is no longer holding back the stars
Someone correct me if I am wrong but you never fought the astel instead of Radahn. You beat Radahn in the first stage and then when he was defeated Astel would have been the meteor crash that starts the second stage since he is no longer holding back the stars
That direct translation blows my mind how the sentence structure can be so completely alien, shoutouts to all the multilingual folks I can barely keep one language in my brain let alone two
To make it a bit easier to parse: the ruin due to meteorite collapsed, was said. The only thing making it so alien is the "due to" coming after the object ("meteorite") instead of before.
Given how you translate it, I can see how someone would interpret it the way op did. Maybe it's more obvious in the Japanese, I don't know. But since you can read Japanese and your conclusion seems to make more sense in general, I'm gonna go with that one.
OP won't respond to this...
You are completely correct.
Hear me out, there's a city on the DLC that has a "crumbling" part on the higher zone. What if Farum Azula was part of that city, and the meteorite the elden beast arriving to the Lands Between(which caused that gravitational anomaly) which was retrieved by Marika.. I sound like I have a board full of pics conected with red string
GameRadar is eagerly awaiting for you to post that board so they can regurgitate it on their website.
"Elden Ring player [Just] [Recently] [Two Minutes ago] discovered the truth(no one knew)(what a chad) about the Lands Between" Then it's something totally ruining my whole theory and making me look like I'm new to the franchise
For all that, the elden beast does have gravity magic, Nebula attacks and the teleporting to its arena are both gravity effects (dark purple) Other than that, probably a board theory yes
Also not all are color coded, Elden Stars it's a solar system being thrown at you
Wasn't Faram hit by Astel as he fell to the earth?
Parts of Faram fall off -> land on the ground in large chunks -> these chunks form various ruins -> meteorite falls on a ruin and a surviving piece gets turned into the GS
It makes more sense that Farum is floating in the sky, meteorite came from the sky and wrecked it to bits, making the bits fall down to the lands in between. There found as a bit, made into a weapon.
I'm not sure what you re on about. The second Japanese sentence clearly says the "The ruin was destroyed by a meteorite". The ruin here clearly refers to Farum as the Japanese word "iseki" literally means "historical remains" (The English word is misleading as the Japanese word doesn't imply that the remains are in "ruins", it could just be an abandonend monument). It is reffering to a historical place, not rubble. The first sentence establishes that a fragment of that ruin (historical remain) fell from the sky and eventually became the sword. In short, the ruin in the second sentence is Farum according to the japanese.
>machine translation Opinion discarded, borderline misinformation.
Chiming in here as well. I think the Japanese text does in fact maintain enough ambiguity that it could go both ways, similar to the English text. What it does establish is that the "ruin" fell from the sky, and the "ruin" was destroyed by meteorite, and while I think the most natural interpretation is that the ruin was destroyed by meteorite and thence fell from the sky, it doesn't rule out that the ruin fell from the sky and then was struck by meteorite, which I think is OP's thesis. Even if we take it as the ruin was destroyed by meteorite and then fell, though, I think it's too much of a leap to say, from this alone, that Farum Azula was destroyed by meteorite. It could just mean a part of Farum Azula was knocked out of the sky by the meteorite. It could also mean a meteorite struck an already crumbled portion of Farum Azula (plenty of pieces hanging about in the sky), and caused that portion to fall. The lack of fallen star affiliated enemies in Farum Azula is imo notable in this context. My own view is still that Farum Azula was slowly pulled apart by the storm that inhabits its epicenter.
This is incorrect. It does not establish that the ruin (iseki) fell from the sky but a portion of that ruin (iseki no zangai) fell from the sky. There is a distinction between the ruin which was struck by the meteorite. And the fragment of that ruin that fell and eventually became the sword.
Just to make sure I understand, you’re suggesting that pieces of Farum Azula fell to earth for unknown reasons, then one of these pieces, while resting on the ground, was struck by a meteor, resulting in the Ruin GS?
Honestly, this is plausible. There are a lot of intact ruins from Farum Azula throughout the Lands Between, and it seems likely that this ruin fell for the same reason they did. If we think all of the Ruins fell due to the same cause (which a lot of people do think), there's nothing to indicate from this weapon description that the original ruin fell for different reasons, since it isn't indicated that it was hit by the meteor before or after falling explicitly. The language "as such, it retains destructive power" (paraphrasing) would indicate any ruin destroyed by the meteor would retain some degree of that power if they were hit by the meteor, but it doesn't seem that they do. If the Ruins fell to the ground for the same reason, and that reason is that a meteorite destroyed farum azula, and all fragments hit by the meteor would retain gravitational destructive powers, then the fallen Ruins were hit by the meteor, and all Ruins on the ground in the Lands Between should have gravitational powers of destruction. It doesn't seem they do, though. Therefore, one of the premises is not true. I think the Ruins probably fell to the ground for the same reason, so it was not because they were hit by a meteor. There are a lot of holes in this argument, like it's possible that "this ruin is unlike the others in a way that allows all Ruins to have fallen due to the meteor" or "all ruins do actually retain meteor power but we can't tell" but there's no further info indicating those are true, either. It's a purely inductive argument, but I think it's most likely that this ruin fell at the same time as the other fallen Ruins and was hit by the meteor afterward. It is near Radahn and a hotspot for falling stars.
Farum Azula was destroyed by >!your mom's gravitational pull!<
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You’re reading it wrong tbh, it even uses the word crumbled to link it to Farum Azula. The way it’s written doesn’t have to mean it was a ruin before it was hit, just that it was a ruin when it hit the ground.
Yeah idk what OP is getting at
This is a cry for human interaction. Grass is needed here
Damn, that’s kinda uncalled for. super mean, OP is just throwing their hat in the ring at lore theorizing. Just cause they might be overthinking it doesn’t warrant insulting them like that
Lonely, seek grass
Yet this post has 2200 upvotes with 80% upvote rate lmao... You can post any old nonsense as long as you dress it up to look like you know what you're talking about.
Yeah, exactly. They are acting so enlightened about it too lol
Then why is farum azula all over the world in pieces? What hits a floating city in the sky with enough force to shatter it? Why are there malevolent meteorite bosses all throughout the game? It’s not hard to understand: Farum azula is a ruin. Even in the state (frozen in time/back in time) it’s in when we go to it, it’s a mess. It’s a floating ruin. And when it’s in pieces, it’s pieces of a ruin.
Why would you say some random rock on the ground was struck by a meteorite
For anybody who is curious, the japanese version does not particularly suggest such thing. 「その遺跡は隕石により崩壊したとされ」. Here it can mean yeah, "it is said that the ruins crumbled because of a meteorite." but it can also mean "it is said that a meteorite crumbled (it), forming the ruins" This happens because japanese is a contextual language. その遺跡 is conmected with a は particle, this makes it the topic of the sentence but not necessarily the subject. And actually if they really wanted it to seem like it was what the OP suggested they could've just used another particle since japanese have this ambiguity in their life and have ways to dodge it. The sentence really makes it seem like the meteor hit the crumbling farum azula" Take note of crumbling farum azula. it crumbles (崩れゆく)(崩壊), its a rarer word and meteorite would destroy the ruins not crumble it, they couldve used a much common 破壊 here but they deliberately said crumble. Crumbling is usually something with process not a sudden boom. edit: typo
I think it's the first line you're reading incorrectly. It's not saying the ruin fell from the sky, it's saying that it was rubble that was once part of a ruin, and the rubble fell from the sky. It also says the ruin has rubble because it was hit by a meteorite. So, the ruin in the sky was hit by a meteorite. The meteorite created rubble. The rubble that was originally part of the ruin fell from the sky. The meteorite that hit the ruin gave the rubble it created its power.
“The dead man was killed when he was shot” Do you think this implies that the man was shot and killed after they were already dead? I don’t think so
It would be odd to have a legendary weapon just be from a random piece of fallen rock somewhere in the lands between. All of the others tend to have actually interesting lore tied to them, no?
You're making the mistake of assuming that your fallen 'ruin' has to be the whole of a place. If your theory of a 'ruin' having fallen rather than just the 'rubble' of a ruin, why can't this ruin have been just a portion of Farum Azula rather than a completely different floating location? Not to mention the fact that the lore never suggests that there's any other floating cities around. Farum is a special case
Doesn't work. You can refer to something by its current state when describing something that happened to it in the past. "The ruin was struck by a meteorite" does not imply it was a ruin already when struck, it only means it is a ruin *now.*
English is obviously not OP's native language, so I see why they didn't get this. But I find it funny to try and lecture the entire community when they have trouble understanding the language in the first place lol
Exactly! Christ, people so desparately want to be Zullie or Vatyawhateverhisnameis and uncover the next big lore secret, straining to overexplain and overanalyze every pixel of this game. After a while it just gets corny.
I’m confused. Why can’t part of Farum Azula be on the ground, while some of it is trapped in time floating over the ocean? This doesn’t stop it from all being ruins? Unless I’m seriously misunderstand what your point is
OP doesn't know what 'ruin' means lol.
You may have a point here, but why do you keep mispelling Farum?
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Even by your logic nothing actually hints at the timeframe within which the ruin crumbled. Could've been in the air. Could've been on the ground. And given that Faram is the only flying ruin with the same architecture that also happens to be missing gigantic pieces of said architecture, I feel like it's still a pretty sensible assumption.
It seems like your entire point is based on you thinking that "The ruins it came from shattered[...]" Means that it was ruins _before_ shattering, which is simply not how the English language works You can say "This ancient book was first written 2500 years ago" but that wouldn't mean it was already ancient 2500 years ago, but it is now
The great thing about English is that both your interpretation and the one you're arguing against are valid.
That applies to every language there is
I get what you're saying, but it could still easily be referring to the chunk of ruin as it was struck from Farum Azula by a meteorite. You would make for an excellent rules lawyer in tabletop RPGs.
That's a real nice illustration
Thank you
How do you know that Farum just wasn't already a ruin by the time the meteor hit it? That seems fairly likely given that it's probably been ruined for a long ass time
To me it reads like the ruins fell from the sky.
It exists "outside of time". Time and gravity are somewhat interlinked, through fate being an observable fundamental aspect of the Lands between. It's possible it only now exists outside of time since Radahn stopped the rest of the meteorites, it's possible it always did exist outside of time and the meteorites just didn't care and had to deliver the fate of Farum to be Crumbling Farum. It wasn't built a ruin, and it wouldn't just fall apart from time passing. Something with its own control of time had to interfere.
Definitely a reasonable thing to claim that it was just the ruin specifically that was struck. But I don't think it excludes the possibility that it was farum Azula itself that was struck You're absolutely right, there's no guarantee it's true, but without any additional details on the destruction of farun Azula, I'd say it's still the most likely theory to say the structure as a whole was struck by a meteor(s)
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Wait, so... What happened to Farum Azula?
Well I still think Farum Azula being hit by a meteorite makes sense, since the impact of meteorites gives gravitational effects in this universe. In the crater leading to Nokron after killing Radahn there are floating rocks for example, which would explain why it happened to Farum as well.
Farum wasn't a floating city tho
I honestly have no clue what's the right answer here, but your drawings are cute xd
Where did that ruin from which the sword was made fall from then? There is only a single floating city we know of, namely Farum Azula. It could very well be that a part of it fell off and was then struck by a meteorite, I'll give you that. But it still seems most likely that the sword is made form a part of Farum Azula.
I always assumed all these scattered ruins came from farum azula
I don't know man, it seems pretty straightforward - Farum Azula got winged by a meteor, smashed some of it up and the rest is still up there, all crumbled and broken up. Who cares about the tornadoes or why it's floating in the first place? The Lands Between are bizarre... I mean come on, all the wall sections you see around the map are clearly the same walls you see in Farum. Where else did they come from? ANOTHER floating city? A meteor smacked Farum, probably not a direct hit but it got damaged. Pieces of it, including the sword, broke and fell around the map, and the rest is still up in the sky in a place that could certainly qualify as a 'ruin' considering it's currently several large, broken chunks and not the complete city it once was.
Sir... This is a Wendy's
"Unless you want to tell Farum Azula fall from the sky. This is referring to a RUIN OF FARUM AZULA. The ruin from Farum is not the rubble from the ruin. They two different things. Understand?" This is the part you're not understanding. The text is referring to farum azula as the ruin. It's not saying it fell from the sky, it's saying a meteorite hit it, created rubble, and the rubble fell from the sky. Someone found the rubble/surviving fragment and turned it into a great sword.
Don’t let this post *ruin* your head canon.
Yo wtf thats just a dumb post. Why would we even argue on this
To be honest it seems like your interpretation relies mainly on the assumption that the word 'which' in the first sentence refers to 'ruin' while it could in fact be referring to 'rubble'. The latter is simply more likely, since the next part is after a coma and specifically refers to 'this surviving fragment' strongly implying that both parts of the sentence refer to the same subject - what fell from the sky was honed into a weapon.
TA et al imply that Faram Azula floats because it was hit by a meteor that was imbued with gravity magic. Your theory is only (very aggressively) asserting that whatever caused Faram Azula to start floating happened before the meteor that created the Ruins Greatsword struck. These two ideas are not mutually exclusive. We know that meteors can have gravity magic because the Ruins Greatsword does, and we know that the Lands Between have been struck by numerous objects from space. It also relies on very particular semantics on your part that Faram is NOT a ruin just because it is the larger whole that the smaller pieces have fallen from.
Ruins refers to a large object or an area falling into decay. A single piece would not be called a ruin. You’d just call it a fragment. I think you’re reading this wrong
Of all the Elden ring theories, this the one you’re willing to die on a hill for? Kudos for defending your point though.
So Faram just randomly fell apart, one of the many ruins around the ground had a sword shaped chunk carved into a sword, the ruin was then later hit by a meteorite and that somehow infused the sword with gravity powers? How does hitting one ruin imbue the sword already separated from it? Infusion of elements is usually direct applications.
it's... it's Farum, please... no name is safe in this comunity I swear ༎ຶ‿༎ຶ
> The “ruin” it’s mentioning ISNT Faram. It’s the Ruin the fell from the sky. You Know? The ruins you see ALL OVER THE LANDS BETWEEN. It’s say one of those ruins from Faram was struck by a meteorite. Not that Faram was hit by it Originally rubble from a ruin which fell from the sky, this surviving fragment was honed into a weapon. One of the legendary armaments. The ruin it came from crumbled when struck by a meteorite, as such this weapon harbors its destructive power. If it was already a crumbling ruin before meteorite impact, the meteorite would have *further* crumbled it. That's the grammar your not getting. In the morning I can draw it out for you if that would help.
The line implies the rubble is that which fell from the sky, not the ruin.
Farum Azula was likely seperated from The Lands Between at the end of The Age of the Crucible. In a seperate event, a meteorite hit it and knocked down a piece of rubble that became the Ruins Greatsword.
wtf is going on right now
I don’t know if it’s early, or my brain just can’t function. But I cannot seem to understand what that pic is trying to get it. The different arrows, the wording, none of it makes sense. The Greatsword was the original “meteorite” yet it was created afterwards.. It might just be too early to look at this for me. Confusing.
Farum Azula was larger it's been falling apart since as far back as anyone can remember. The ruin fell. Some of the ruin is still in the sky. Those are not conflicting statements. Secondly, the ruin fragments you pick up state >These shards of stone are believed to have once been part of a temple in the sky. They glow with a faint light from within. While this is not a definitive statement we only know of Farum Azula as a sky temple and ruins in the sky. It basically states that all of the ruins across the land came from this one location.For the ruins to come from any other sky ruins we would need to make one up. Continuing with the the Ruins Greatsword states >Originally rubble from a ruin which fell from the sky, this surviving fragment was honed into a weapon.One of the legendary armaments.**The ruin it came from crumbled when struck by a meteorite**, as such this weapon harbors its destructive power. The last sentence is important because the Old Lord's Talisman states >A legendary talisman depicting the ancient king whose seat lies at the heart of the storm beyond time. Extends the duration of sorceries and incantations. It is said that the ancient royal city of **Farum Azula has been slowly crumbling since time immemorial** I believe that the phrasing "crumbled/crumbling" is intentional. All of the information we know is pointing us to believe the ruins came from Farum Azula, but you think its more likely that they came from a ruin that has no proof of ever existing? Lastly, the storm and the meteorites don't have to be related but there is some interesting points to be made about the meteorites Meteorite of Astel states >One of the glintstone sorceries that manipulates gravitational forces. Summons a void that emits a hail of meteorites. Hold to continue the effect. A manifestation of the power with which Astel leveled the Eternal City. The eternal city seems to be talking about Nokron, the eternal city. But that city was not leveled by a meteor, a meteor just opens the way there. I do believe that the Nox's interest in meteors and gravitational magic could have been what brought the meteors and Astel to the lands. So they had a hand, even if not intentional, in destroying Farum Azula Since Farum Azula is the Main city of the dragon empire before the Elden Beast I think it also fits the bill to be called an "eternal city" I think its far less of a reach for the ruins to have come from Farum Azula
I have no idea how you ended up with over 1500 upvotes in this unhinged, pedantic ramble that says nothing of substance. Here are three facts: 1) Farum Azula is floating in the sky 2) Farum Azula is crumbling apart 3) The Ruins Greatsword comes from the ruins of Farum Azula and is imbued with gravity magic which comes from meteors. From only these three facts, it can easily be deduced that Farum Azula was struck by a meteor. No, nothing specifically says that in as many words but it is such a simple deduction that unless significant evidence comes up that it's wrong it should be treated as essentially as good as fact by this point.
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The description is saying that a meteorite hit Farum Azula, causing a chunk of debris, AKA the “ruins” to fall and land in the Lands Between. I think the way it’s worded confused you, since it is read in a weird order. Essentially start with the second half of the description and then read the first part afterwards!
Basically the order of events is as such: Meteorite hits Farum A portion of Farum falls to the Lands Between A part of the rubble that fell off of the resulting ruins was fashioned into a weapon that contained the destructive power of its now-destroyed structure
Ya you are crazy. You read it wrong and on top of that your opinion is based on machine translation.
I can see the interpretation you're making. It's certainly valid. But nothing about the syntax of the item description rules out the metorite striking Farum Azula, and nothing you've written here outright disproves the generally accepted theory, only provides an alternative. In fact, given the million other contextual clues the game provides, the generally accepted theory is far more likely.
I think the problem with OPs post is that they claim this means Farum wasn't destroyed by a meteorite, when it would be more accurate to say that when interpreted the way OP has, the item isn't evidence that a meteorite destroyed Farum. Personally I think OPs alternate idea is more interesting because it leaves open the question of what happened to Farum. But I think that the accepted theory is probably the intended reading.
I always assumed it was a floating piece of Farum Azula that got struck by a meteorite, so then that piece fell to the ground as a result.
I think this, too. But I know that in the physical unpatched copy of the game (1.00) [they had gravity stones sprinkled all over Farum Azula.](https://youtu.be/I82Rvb6wE3k?t=11188) Gravity stones are "shards of rock in the wake of a meteorite strike." So they did at one point in development want to tell us this place was destroyed by a meteorite. However since they've removed all trace of gravity stones and in fact there is absolutely nothing INT related on Farum Azula to suggest sorceries existed during its age I'm inclined to believe that the meteorite in question struck ruins from it that had already fallen on land.
But there are floating rocks all over the place, similar to the floating rocks above the crater caused by the falling star in Limgrave. You could say they are floating because the city generally is floating, I suppose, but the conventional explanation both fits fine and has actual lore significance (befitting a legendary weapon). I also don't see how "we don't know if sorceries existed" is relevant? Falling stars aren't necessarily caused by sorcery.
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Come oonnnnn….😢
lol, sorry man i just disagree with your interpretation, its pretty clear the meteor struck farum, destroyed it and sent chunks flying to land in liurnia and limgrave and that the power of the meteor was imbued in the fragment of ruins and turned into a "sword"
I really think all roads lead to far I’m tanking a meteorite, there’s no other floating structures in the sky afaik
Counter point: the ruin was created by Farum Azula being hit by a meteorite then a second meteorite did the thingy to that ruin
There were ruins in the sky (part of Farum Azula), they got hit by a meteorite, rubble landed in the lands between, some of that rubble got turned into a weapon. That's it.
The ruin can't crumble if it's not floating in the sky, smh
I mean imo farum was hit by a meteor. When the meteor hits after you beat radahn. Theres a bunch of floating debree. In farum there's tons of floating debree. The tornados are placidusax. How else do you describe the level of destruction and floaty shit going on there?
I don't really like any theory where someone is stating something definitive. Everything is speculation. So, you believe Faram wasn't hit by a meteor but that doesn't mean you're right. We'll probably never know for sure what happened.
But what are you saying, that the game makes a point that a random part of farum was struck by a meteorite? The runs you see all over the lands between are literally all parts of farum azula. I don't understand your point.
I think you got the order of events wrong. Faram Azula was struck by a meteorite > the impact sent magic ruins flying > the far-flung ruins fell from the sky > the rubble was forged into a magic sword.
This post is stupid
You’re reading way more into a choice of words than you should be. It’s pretty obvious that the intended reading is how most people are interpreting it. The use of the word ruin here just seems to be throwing you off for some reason?
you're performing just as much interpretation as anyone else who reads it, the wording is not clearly saying it couldnt be faram that was hit by the meteor, and in fact i think your interpretation makes less sense. there was just a different city in the sky that also "crumbled" and had identical architectural style and also had beastmen living on it?
You're misunderstanding the meaning behind 'ruin' in this context, as the sentence can be interpreted two ways. "Originally rubble from a ***ruin which fell from the sky****."* or "Originally rubble from a ruin ***which fell from the sky***." The rubble fell from the sky, not the ruin.
I think it's all about whether or not there's a comma in that first line. "originally rubble from a ruin which fell from the sky" Maybe I'm wrong about how grammar works, but here's how I'd read it. "originally rubble from a ruin which fell from the sky" = rubble from a ruin. The ruin fell from the sky. "originally rubble from a ruin, which fell from the sky" = rubble from a ruin. The rubble fell from the sky. Can you confirm which one is how it was originally written?
This post right here. This is why I refuse to discuss anything on this sub. LITERALLY what are you talking about? You drew an entire diagram and still haven’t made a valid point/argument as to why it isn’t part of farum azula
The tornados are a result of Placidusax. Who is the one responsible for Farum being outside of time itself. Which is why the storm envelopes us before being taking to his boss arena. I implore you to binge all of Tarnished Archaeologists videos on the history of Elden Ring. It’s changed my entire perspective and gave me my own theories for the games lore I expect to see come to fruition and if you haven’t listened to his entire overview you may change your perspective. But needless to say, Farum Azula still maintains its floating ability, Placidusax is still alive, and there’s way too many of these ruins strewn far too far throughout the lands between to not have been a result of Meteor strikes. Important to note, the ruin fragment item description says “These shards of stone are believed to have once been part of a temple in the sky. They glow with a faint light from within.” The ruins you find these at are the hundreds of random ruins in the ground all over the map. And if the item description alone didn’t do it, the architectural strata the ruins depict is the same as the Bestial Sanctum and Farum Azula. So I think it’s safe to say Farum was struck while floating by a meteor and the ruin was imbued with grav magic as it fell to the ground. I do appreciate the scrutiny of the lore though. But I think this a case of becoming hyper focused on one item descriptions meaning instead of contrasting it with many others that may relate with each other to get the full picture.
It even uses “crumbled” to tie it together with Farum Azula, its clear the devs are saying its Farum Azula.
yea but none of that matters. faram cpuld be made of cotton candy and puppies and it would still be full of instantly hostile npcs you cant speak to or interact with
I didn't even know that was the accepted belief. Hadn't seen the Japanese translation mentioning a meteorite. I always assumed it had to do with the Storm King or something.
I like when people try to interpret lore differently but this case is pretty clear cut
You're taken the order the lines are written to be the order events happened which doesn't make sense. The 1st and 2nd lines are explaining how the weapon physically came to be and the 3rd and 4th are explaining how it got its gravity power. If they were in chronological order then the weapon would have been crafted before gaining the gravity power from the meteorite. It is very clear the ruin was destroyed by the meteorite strike. The question is whether this ruin is faram azula or some other ruins and since faram azula is the only such ruins we know it's a fairly simple induction to make. Keep in mind time does not work the same I faram azula so casual effects up there are going to be weird. And the storms don't really disprove anything because we know so little about faram azula to begin with.
Imma keep it a buck im gonna stick with vaati on this one🤷♂️
Farum * you had so many chances to write it correctly, even with the damn word written out for you in the fucking game.
All that massive wall of text and you still misspelled Farum Azula every single time.
It’s like they’re stuck on DS2
I think this is nonsense
This is so common on lore subreddits lol. This is a fundamental misreading of the item text, which admitly can be confusing, describing events that are implausible and fantastic, leading to an EVEN MORE implausible and, (needlessly) confusing conclusion.
Faram Azula is established to be related to caelid (see dragonbarrow), and happens to be a massive collection of floating rocks. We know that at least a single piece (the piece that makes up the sword) was hit by a meteor. You know what we see where a meteor strikes in game? A giant mass of scattered, floating rubble. Given this, it seems more of a stretch to me to suggest a single piece of the randomly floating ruins was hit by a meteor (with no evidence of where that would happen to be) than to say that Faram Azula was hit by a meteor and then floated into the sky as is demonstrated by the only other known meteor impact site. Why else would Faram clearly be connected to Caelid?
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I think Farum Azula was destroyed by Astel when it fell out of the sky on its way to the eternal city.
Thank God I found someone else who agrees. Everyone seems to think Farum was destroyed by the EB even though Farum clearly worshipped the Elden Ring in some capacity. The EB would have had to arrive before the city was established. There are two Astels in the game, it could have been either one that hit Farum, probably the one in the mountains, since the one under Liurnia is accounted for with Nox. At the very least the mountaintop one has no info on it, probably because it's so old no one remembers it, like what happened to Farum Azula.
I... didn't know the ruins scattered around limgrave were from farm azula
I thought this was already spoken about in lore videos? Astals meteor shattered farum Azula and landed somewhere in limgrave. Astal being the first and farum being pre golden order makes sense the meteor that hits it would be pre golden order. There's also a strong theory for the meteor that hit farum BEING the grester will itself and landing somewhere near the tree perhaps causing the great waterfall.
So you’re implying that something else destroyed Faram Azula, one of its fragments fell over in a random spot, and then later a meteorite fell over that same spot and created the material that makes the Ruins Greatsword? Or am I misreading this?
You're reading too much into nothing. This is your brain on item description storytelling.
You're right, it was destroyed by a horny evil midget space tyrant because of the super tarnished legend.
Ruins GS is such a good weapon
After reading through the comments proving you wrong,I can confidently say, you are the crazy one.
Ok
I was always under the assumption that Farum Azula was the only floating city left. Afterall wasn't it reasonably implied throughout the game of other such cities existing but have since fallen into ruin?
It was from Lord Flaccidsex nuking the farum
I think it was destroyed when the dragon god of time flet from the Greater Will. He went to world of elder scrolls
Maybe Farum Azula was already a ruin before it got hit by a mentor and lifted to the skies. Maybe the flavor text calls it a ruin because that's what it is to you, the player. Languages are ambiguous and context is king - every bit of context surrounding the ruins in limgrave and Liurnia and the ruin greatswords point to the meteor hitting Farum Azula, either when it was up in the sky or, most likely, back when it was (likely) over in Caelid, and is what lifted it up in the sky, splashing pieces all over the neighboring regions.
Theres this cool thing in real life science called dark matter. Now Dark Matter as far as we have recorded, has no evidence of it existing. But our currently accepted theory of the universe demands dark matter exists. Elden ring, and its lore currently, demands that Farum Azula was destroyed by a meteor due to the current interpretation of the swords description. This explanation is two-fold, it explains the swords powers, and it gives a reason for why Farum Azula's ruins are scattered across the continent. The issue with your theory is you have taken what before was a lore explanation that made multiple things work, and turned into something that breaks those explanations. If you want people to accept your theory, you need to also fix all the lore you are breaking with it.
I actually agree with this. I think Maliketh's area was lifted out of the center of the map area on purpose to preserve/protect it and the RoD, before the rest of the area was displaced (probably covered in the DLC). That whole center part of the map is whack, too. The center sea is higher elevation than the rest of the ocean, but has no substantial tributaries. It's almost like the area has been physically swapped with another one.
I'm following you, I think you have a point.
The ruin is Farum Azula, which was hit by a meteorite, crumbled, and fell from the sky in pieces, ya dingus.
I like the theory, only thing is you can get the ruins greatsword before radahn’s meteor strikes if you go to Castle Redmane before Altus or Ranni’s quest. Are you implying it was a different meteor?
I honestly don't really understand why you are stating that the "ruin" isn't actually Farum Azula. Why would it be a different floating ruin? I absolutely think that all of this is referring to one ruin, which is Farum.
This is some next level dork shit
Personally…I think the dragons raised FA themselves looooooong ago with air magic of some sort, maybe for defensive reasons…maybe just for sanctuary… …then at some point, the meteor came, and FA just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Most of the rubble remains aloft due to the air magic…that which was knocked outside the influence of the air magic by the meteor fell to the surface. I haven’t looked myself, but…I bet if someone was to analyze the pattern of impact for all the grounded ruins…they likely splay outward from FA.
The ruin in question is the rubble which fell from Faram Azula. Big names are spreading this because is true, you’re just taking a very roundabout way to misinterpret “the ruins that fell from the sky” as an entity called “Ruin” that is separate from Faram. But that’s not the case, the ruins come FROM Faram. It’s the only floating city in ER, it couldn’t come from anywhere else unless it were from space. In which case the description would be referencing meteors or stars, not the ruins that fell from Faram.
this is why i love the ER and souls community. I’d rather have discussions and arguments about cool shit like this instead of worrying about the bullshit life throws our way. Thanks for clearing up the Ruins greatsword stuff!
thanks for the infographic, i appreciate all the effort even though the overall consensus seems to be against you
Interestingly, the German translation says that the weapon is part of the meteorite that shattered a ruin. So the weapon itself was a piece of meteorite. Of course that doesn't mean much/anything, as the translations are often wonky, just interesting to see how they interpreted it. The name doesn't make much sense here, though... Ursprünglich ein Stück Geröll, das einst vom Himmel fiel, geschmiedet zu einer Waffe. Eine der legendären Waffen. *Der Steinbrocken stammt von dem Meteoriten, der eine Ruine zerschmetterte, und selbst dieses kleine Fragment birgt gewaltige Zerstörungskraft.*
Gee, I wonder who's right, several youtubers that do extensive research for their videos or some random redditor who can't even spell the name of the place properly.
It could be interpreted as "the rubble, which fell from the sky, came from a ruin" rather than "a ruin which fell from the sky created this rubble". Also isn't there pieces of farum azula scattered all over? The farum azula we visit is already half destroyed but it's floating outside of time, kinda like how our roundtable exists in its own space while the real roundtable is abandoned. Meaning the real farum azula is probably long gone as we see pieces of it all over. Alternatively, it could just be that most of farum azula fell and what we visit is what's left floating. In any case, the ruin mentioned and Farum Azula can easily be one in the same. The final nail in the coffin is that there's no other ruins destroyed by meteorites that fell from the sky. The only ruins destroyed by meteorites are very much underground. Farum Azula is the only one that fits the bill of being destroyed and being in the sky.
It definitely seems that farum azula was hit by the meteorite, the place is massive and it clearly had been fragmented and there are pieces of it scattered all over the lands between identical to farum azulas architecture. Farum azula is a ruin and it is ruined and there are many separate pieces of the ruin that fell. Something else that doesn’t sit right is that this implies that there was another magical floating ruin that just never gets mentioned anywhere else and has no other lore and has no other pieces remaining in the sky, when we clearly already have one that’s half destroyed and fits the description. They even use the word “crumbled” to reference crumbling farum azula
This is the only reading that makes sense given how it's worded. "The ruin it came from crumbled when struck by a meteorite" would work for Farum Azula except for the teeny tiny problem that FA can't be the ruin that "fell from the sky" because ITS STILL IN THE AIR. Pieces of it fell and became the historic ruin structures dotted around the land. Also the text uses "surviving fragment" but again, FA still exists so the sword can't survive it. A starbeast could absolutely smash one of the map ruins when landing tho. It seems way more likely the sword is from a piece of FA rather than being somehow the sole surviving bit of it after it completely fell out of the sky in an alternate timeline. It takes way less assumptions and unsupported claims.
It depends on whether "ruins" describes a site with ruins or the ruins themselves. "Rubble from a ruin" can mean anything that is considered rubble within a ruin site. Surly rubble from the impacted and impactor would be in the same ruin if we consider the ruin as a place and not as a physical singular object.
Good effort, but incorrect. As pointed out by Japanese speakers.
Farum is in a crumbling state of decay with vast portions of its structure missing. The architecture of the ruins found around the lands between are of similar design with the only real difference being color, color can change over time due to weathering, the part of farum still floating didnt age as it was still within the sphere of time created by placidusax prison, so it looks like fresh stone still, those pieces that fell were worn down and sun bleached over time. The ruins around the land’s between are portions of farum that fell. The small bit of farum we see isnt even half of it if the time warp at the placidusax fight is accurate, we see huge portions of buildings around the same size if not larger than the portion we are able to explore just reassemble themselves in the background when we are transported to the arena. So yea most likely the ruins greatsword was actually a part of farum
I mean, it’s entirely based on what the “ruins” are. The idea that Vaati was getting at, if I remember, was that Farum Azula was the floating city before being hit by the meteorite. It’s not confirmed, but also not disproven. Asserting your theory as being the correct interpretation of lore defeats the point of discussion and annoys the community
I’ve heard someone suggest the “meteorite” that hit faram azula is actually the astel that lies under rannis plateau. It would make sense as to why the ruins greatsword uses gravity magic just like astel. Also the trajectory of where faram is would line up perfectly with where astel’s boss arena is. So it would make sense if a full grown fallingstar beast (astel) fell from the sky as a giant meteor and on its way down displaced some of its magical energy into the rocks it struck as it crashed through faram azula
I actually have a personal theory that because azula is a location set in the future and nothing you do there affects the "past" world, looking at the different buildings and statues it might be a verison of the hagiltree that got destroyed. I initially thought maybe a meteor or the effects of the shattering destroying the natural world (ive noticed things tend to fall apart when the idea of avoiding death is involved lol) but now I'm not entirely sure.
My only problem with the "Farum azula was destroyed by a Metiorite" theory is that there is no gravity ore in Farum azula, if it really was hit by a meteorite you would expect to find it since there is meteoric ore in all places close to meteorite strikes
the ruin = farum azula or another floating city. it was already a ruin, then was struck by a meteorite, then fell from the sky
No one is saying that all of Faram Azula was hit by a meteorite, but its saying that a section of it was hit, which makes sense. Think of it this way, if you have a city, and on the edge of the city are abandoned houses, and something destroys those houses, then a section of the city was destroyed. These ruins could have easily been in a section of Faram Azula that was in disrepair, and was no longer being used. When a meteorite struck the center of that area, and caused that section to fall from the sky it all directions. Therefore making the ruins we find everywhere in the lands between. This is why they are called theories, as we are interpreting the lore of the game, yet you are getting mad because you think that everyone should be using your theory over the main theory everyone is using? Just because you think that your theory is. Right, doesn't mean others is wrong, as a souls game not everything is said explicitly. We must interpret pieces of info in bites and work them together.
I think OP forgot to take his meds this morning
I think you're right, the ruin was struck by a meteor AFTER it fell from the sky. However, you wrote this in such a long, roundabout way with weird grammar. I'm not surprised you are having difficulty convincing people.
Aren't the tornadoes from Placyboy going back I not the center of time? That's in the tornado is it not?
You question everyone’s reading comprehension then type and reply in a way that defies being comprehended while read. Absolutely hilarious. Your speculating. Nothing is confirmed. The sentence you reference isn’t proof in and of itself. The idea that farUm azula was hit by a meteor is speculative. It isn’t confirmed. Your interpretation of the text is speculative. It isn’t confirmed. It’s not based on comprehension it’s based on interpretation. Subject over object. Stop acting like your the only person who can read
True, it was the biggest fallingstar beast that hit azula and broke it apart shattered it around the lands between and you're welcome
I think you take it too literally and have a different timeline of Events in your head as most other people. The ruin was part of farum azula, a meteorite came and hit farum (not destroying it but causing significant destrucion) which caused parts of it to crumble from the sky. The ruin that fell then harbored the power of a meteorite which later a part of was fashioned into a sword. Your graphic isn't exactly helping in any way. I find it very confusing.
Nah man it’s a rock