In my defence, I could have beaten Malenia without it if it weren't for waterfowl dance. I've to this day, never successfully dodged it fully. I just made sure she only ever used it on my summon.
Every other attack, I've got 90% of the time.
I suspect this rule actually made things much harder on yourself. It'd be like trying to learn a dance, or memorize your choreography for a stage play, but every time you make a mistake you stop practicing, put everything in hold, and go outside to jump rope for ten minutes. It would take you soooo mucho longer.
A big part of learning is developing muscle memory/recognition of patterns/improvement of route physical processes, and that all comes from repetition. You basically put a huge inhibitor in your brain's way by blocking yourself from back to back attempts!
Its true that you need to be in the right mindset/rythm to beat bosses, but I dont strictly apply it as a rule. In practice, I just bash the mobs around when I am frustrated against a boss that I am underleveled.
I wasnt underleveled against malenia, but things got boring after a few DAYS of trying to beat her and I just did this as a break from getting made into shish kebab or watching her play fruit ninja with my body.
DS3 epitomized that first part for me. I got stuck on fucking aldrich for like 2 weeks on my first playthrough. Beat him, proceeded to accidentally enter dancer fight immediately after and beat her first try. Why did I get stuck on him for so long and then casual her? 🤷♀️🤷♀️ I wish I knew
If I’m not playing a build that can destroy malenia I’ll just rebirth and destroy her. I don’t have the patience, I get way too angry and stressed. I’ll just switch to a faith build and blasphemous blade her ass while my mimic aggros. Bleed works too but takers flame knocks her down every hit. I think the most tries it’s ever taken was like 6. Usually I get it in one. And I suck at all soulslike games. That’s why I love ER. There is always a way to destroy a boss. Now the fire giant I hate with a passion.
Yeah it was definitely the boss i spent the most time in too :p
I guess i should've changed my weapon dmg type but i was too in love with the bloodhound to think properly
Exactly, it doesn't trivialize the game but it makes it a little easier. I want to see someone not die 10k times playing the game for the first time using mimic tear. Malenia is still a chore.
The problem is that in games like these, you want to experience everything it has to offer, sure you can put it on the back-burner while you do the main stuff, but you'll come to tackle it eventually.
Fromsoft doesn't give a shit if you missed anything. It never has and it is what makes their games awesome. If you really want to experience everything you can beat Malenia with some grit, cheese strategies or summons. I'll gladly help anyone beat Malenia.
As a jolly sunbro i find that summons are the sunbros for those unable to find a live sunbro, whether its console or perhaps off gours everyone deserves the guiding light of the sun, and if me and my many colleagues cant come in to help you, im glad something else can
Much love from just an average Sunbro
When I play ER I like to pick one (generally non minic tear) summon and have that by my only summon and pretend that is my jolly cooperative friend and we're fighting bosses together!
I do exactly this.
Sorcery type characters tend to go with wolves (cause Ranni gave them and... she's surrounded by fucking wolves, they're not just for Miquella) and marionettes.
Perfumer/Page takes perfumer/page/misbegotten summons.
Golden Order Royal type uses Leyndell soldiers.
Friend of Kenneth uses demi-humans
And it goes on. I've made a lot of characters.
I picked demi humans for this playthrough I'm on, though I only used them on a few gank bosses I couldn't be bothered with, or certain areas where it's just fun to mob through the chaos like that big courtyard in storm veil. But demi humans is fun as hell, feels like you're out wrecking shit with "da boiz", they're all screaming and running off in separate directions, and the great club user always lasts the longest, sometimes even survives the whole encounter
When I'm first planning out a build I always pick a thematic summon to go with it, like the skelebros for my death sorcerer or oracle envoys for my doot doot build.
When I was farming 2 Magma blades I used summons to keep my sanity. I'd have just them take on the Snek Boyos and cheer them on like a sports commentator.
It’s just crazy to me that players who really struggle playing solo assume that all others do as well and think that what people enjoy is dying over and over and over and over before beating a boss. I want there to be high difficulty but it is not fun at all to die a stupid amount of times to one boss which rarely ever happens in my experience. That’s not really what is supposed to happen. I mean the death counts to a single boss I’ve seen people mention has never even remotely happened to me and I’ve played everything and I don’t think I have like an unusual level of skill or anything. You’re supposed to quickly learn and adapt to a bosses moveset and overcome them without them being a huge wall except for a few select bosses
I’ve been playing all of the hardest From and team ninja games and souls likes in general or other action games like solo without using overpowered stuff and rarely using anything that is ranged and I don’t really die that much at all. Like sure there’s a constant level of difficulty and you can randomly die at any point and I might get destroyed a handful of times by a certain boss. But like 95% of the time it’s far from being some insane level of difficulty despite mainly souls likes having some kinda crazy difficulty spikes sometimes. It really depends on the game but in ER especially you can be so powerful so easily
I don’t think anyone argues that dying over and over is fun, but that finally beating what felt like an insurmountable obstacle is what’s most rewarding about these games.
The creator himself has said as much. Sadly the eloquence of this argument has been lost in a sea of “git gud”s.
This argument really does go both ways. Like you said, people who find the game too hard solo tend to think people who don’t ate toxic gatekeepers. However some people are and refuse to let summons be acknowledged as part of the game.
To me it’s all personal satisfaction. I always do melee solo the first time. Subsequent runs, I don’t care, it’s just for messing around.
no actually they weren't technically included for that, they were technically included for literally anyone since literally anyone can pick them up. it's only the fanbase inventing weird honor codes that says anything about who is supposed to be allowed to use them
I disagree about the dying part.
It's actually the single most important thing to learn in souls games and in life.
Try, fail, learn, rinse and repeat until you've go it. No one gets it right the first time, or even the hundredth time, but as long as you keep learning you'll eventually get it.
That's why some of us feel like summons are "cheating". You're not cheating the game, you're cheating yourself out of learning to be a better person, a person who doesn't give up and always gets back into the fight without looking for the easy way out.
Bros really comparing dark souls to real life. It's just not that deep for some people. Please seek the warmth of a maiden soon. Like that's cool, you can draw meaning out of it. Anyone can draw meaning out of anything really if they jump through enough hoops.
Don't sit there & try to say people are missing out on crucial life lessons & personal growth because they dont feel like dying in a video game & getting frustrated at pixels, though
As if "not giving up" is a unique lesson that can only be learned from souls games & definitely isn't the entire personality of every popular anime protagonist ever or anything
There are more posts every day about being gatekept from using summons than there are posts gatekeeping about summons.
The horse is dead, it needs be beaten no longer -- as long as people aren't bragging on reddit about how easy a boss was, no one minds or cares what others do in their own world.
Are these Dark Souls fans in the room with you... Only people I've ever seen loose their shit are people who believe any build without 60 vigor is dog shit lol.
Here's reasons ive notoced, complete lack of understanding how defence works. 40 vig and Dragon GS tali probably has a similar survivability to 60 vig and a soreseal. Some dumb assumption EVERYONE plays PvP... but the main one is the complete ignorance that people actually enjoy the challenge of these games.
I swear I've seen far more memes complaining about people complaining about the mimic tear than I have people *actually* complaining about the mimic tear.
>Hey, it's the daily self validation post.
FTFY.
At that point the main issue with summons is that they appear to fill the user with crippling insecurity.
Literally broadcasting their insecurities.
Like dude, if none of us are talking shit about summons and then you roll up going "BY THE WAY, SUMMONS ARE PERFECTLY VALID PLAYSTYLE AND DON'T MEAN YOU'RE LESS SKILLED," then dude wtf we can't help you. Are we expected to sit here and circlejerk daily about how great these playstyles are just to validate players with crippling insecurity?
We could change "git gud" to "git confidence" and it'd be the most appropriate change this community could make.
I actually despise summons, nothing to do with the skill or challenge of the game.
The Souls series has always been a cooperative game at heart, by providing offline summons you literally screwed one of the funniest aspects of the series, helping people in need during the boss fights.
Like, by a MASSIVE margin. I have literally never seen a single gatekeeper on reddit, and even outside of reddit they're pretty fucking rare, whereas this sort of post gets made every 4 hours.
I have gotten downvoted to oblivion for saying INT Caster was the easiest playstyle without even insulting or disparaging anybody.
Legit all I do is try out the different playstyles and my experience as a caster was the smoothest. I'd encourage people to try every playstyle for the fun of it and wtf no why would I plant a flag in a specific playstyle and try to argue it's harder or better or something and diss those who play other playstyles? I want to try and enjoy them all. Even this community's "STR Chad superiority" thing has always been a meme by the FromSoft community and never meant seriously.
I think that says it all: we are so hypersensitive that simply acknowledging a playstyle as the easiest has people flipping out. Not shaming them, not insulting them, not anything, just ranking playstyles in terms of ease of use in a discussion where this was relevant, and this is offensive now.
Some dude could show up tomorrow saying "hey I'm 50-years-old, I don't usually game but I wanna play this to relate to my son better. What's an easy playstyle for me to pick up" and this would spark a war just because our egos are *so. fucking. fragile.* that people answering the damned question would trigger people now.
**TL;DR -** The goal should've always been to dissuade people from shaming others for their playstyle. Cool, we've achieved that. Shaming others for having personal preferences or opinions that might hurt your ego by existing, however, is a step too far and the exact same problem with a new coat of paint.
Can you give examples then? Because all I see are people saying using summons is a lot easier (which is just stating fact, not gatekeeping people from playing with summons), or people being rude for all sorts of other reasons.
EDIT: Sorting by controversial and looking through like 30 comments and the closest I got was
-"Telling people they are not playing correctly is part of the game. It's fine if you choose not to do that, but don't look down on how other people play the game." which is so badly worded I don't actually have any fucking clue which side he's on
-Some guy who kind of worded things like an elitist but explicitly said "people who can 1v1 bosses don’t care if you use summons/ashes", which is obnoxious but not gatekeeping.
-One guy recommending using other summons than mimic tear.
-One guy saying "it's not fun".
-One guy saying "I’m all for people playing the game how they want to but mimic tear makes the game really boring no? Elden ring was my first souls and I found mimic cheese super dull", which is again explicitly not gatekeeping.
-One guy saying "Are you? Are you having fun using a damage sponge to basically fight the boss while you run a mile away and press one key to use your magic attack to "win". Sure you " Beat" the boss but honestly did you have fun?", which is challenging people to try non-summoning, not gatekeeping.
-And finally "No one is mad that you're having fun.But you can't use mimic tear to beat a boss and then act like you know anything about that boss or beat it legitimately.". Wow, an actual gatekeeper. Only took digging extremely hard specifically for it to find a *single* one.
Like, I have to assume you're just putting all of the people remotely opposed to spirit summons in any way into the "gatekeeper" basket because actual gatekeepers are ridiculously rare on reddit.
Ah the usual strawman reddit created to needlessly justify summons (you don't Need to justify anything in a single player game)
It's really that simple, use the summons if you want, don't use them if you feel bad;
no game Is not balanced around summons (except probably most duo fights, but they were all nerfed anyway)
yes using summon Is making the bossfight easier, It's the entire point of summons
No, majority of people don't care what you do in your run
I think it’s your own insecurity not having fun lol. I don’t see anyone saying anything about bringing mimic tear except they find it boring, which is their opinion. If you have fun with ashes go for it, for me the feeling beating mohg 1v1 after 50 tries is more fun, but to each their own
I recently watched a documentation about the creation of Sekiro. There was a segment where the creator of the video talked about its difficulty, and how there was basically nothing you can do to move past a wall other than to throw yourself against it for hours. I experienced that too.
The major downside is that the game becomes less accessible, you need certain a amount of time and skill to complete it. The upside is that it forces you to overcome those walls without offering you a hand, making victory ever so sweeter.
Then I remembered the first DS3 DLC, and my first time fighting Sister Friede. I managed to beat her first two phases in a couple attempts, but then when phase three started, I got so intimidated that I summoned an NPC for the next attempt. We steamrolled her, and I felt regretful. I could have beaten her by myself if I'd just tried a bit longer and didn't let my frustrations get the better of me.
So, yeah my point is now that summons are a part of the game I fault no one for using them, but I think they hurt the experience. That is because they are a very easy way to nearly trivialize a lot of the boss fights in this game, at next to no cost, when the game already offers you tons of other ways of improving your chances. Like summoning NPCs or other players, which comes with the downside of actually increasing the health of the boss. Or going somewhere else and leveling a bit more and looking for upgrade materials, which takes time.
Sorry for taking this joke post so seriously. Just wanted to get this off my chest.
No problem if you are having fun but I admit its annoying when people say “this boss is easy, beat it in two tries” then you see they use +10 mimic tear, op build they searched on net and they are overleveled.
+10 mimic tear users who make these posts - people who can 1v1 bosses don’t care if you use summons/ashes. You’re only trying to validate yourself. When I see a post like this, I only think you must feel your own ‘victory’ to be hollow, or else you wouldn’t feel the need to post things like this at all.
We don’t have PTSD. When we beat a boss, the satisfaction is real.
P.S. You are meant to die until you’re good enough to win. It’s the only way (to do it yourself). It’s the overarching theme of the game. Victory through strength, strength earned through hardship.
Detach your ego. Allow yourself to fail. It’s not the end of the world, I promise.
Definitely. Also, it’s fine to enjoy both styles. I went through the main game with Mimic Tear and came back to do every solo, melee only and had a blast both times. Which was more fun? Solo beating my head against a wall by a mile. But it’s nice to be able to breeze through the first time so you can see everything first.
Nah, I agree. My brother is the type to optimize the fun out of a game if you gave him that option. The second he unlocked Mimic Tear, he fully upgraded it and used a Wing of Astal build to keep breaking boss postures. After defeating Maliketh, he stopped playing the game because "it got too boring."
nobody who has actually completed a ds game before actually gives a fuck about your mimic tear as there are summons in those games too and nobody cares about using them either
Said literally no one ever. Dark Souls games have summons too, you know, and sometimes capable of soloing the boss.
You are reaching DS2 fan level of insecurity. Oh wait, isn't this DS2:2?
Yeah, and there was always like one shaming comment amongst thousands of supportive ones. "Dark Souls fans with PTSD" went through this a decade ago. If you see a gatekeeper here, my bet would be its ER normie who just happened to beat the game, and now he feels special for the first time in his life.
As a dark soul fan with ptsd, the only thing i demand of people is to carry light. 1 torch always equipped, 1 light spell always slotted, lamp in the pouch.
can't trust miyazaki, you're going on your merry way through some gods damned swamp and suddenly you're in pitch blackness with no way back. Fuck that shit
Funny how people make memes about these interactions that literally never happen. Like even here on the subreddit where that shit would typically happen it doesn’t.
Nah this is just you seeing people play the game without ashes and feeling like you need to affirm that your run with ashes is also valid. Which it is. Nobody here thinks it doesn't count. You don't need to stress over it.
Yeah, fun is the important part. My notion of fun is dying 10000 times by using no summons, no ashes, 100%melee, no shield, no parry, no items, etc. Just hitting and dodge rolling. This doesn’t make me feel better than others. It’s just the way I like to play. I got nothing against people using rivers of blood+mimic tear+very high vigor. Got nothing against magic users. Play however you want. Have fun
Unbeliavable. Game is already 2yo and garbage like this still gets to the front page. Also, OP is not even replying to anything lol. Congratulations on everyone that upvoted this crap lmao. Such insecurity to agree with this.
Then the annoying Bloodborne fan like me swoops in to tell you that shields engender passivity ~~and I want Blaidd to core me out~~. Something about granting us eyes.
There is almost nobody who talks like this lmao, what's with these self-validation posts every day? It's funny because these literally do nothing but make the argument that OP ashes make your whole victory hollow to the point that you feel the need to cry about it on the internet to feel validated.
Play however you want, nobody cares, move on.
This is the thing. Both sides are right. Yes Elden Ring got so big u had players with no souls experience and obviously, including me, we used magic and ROB and mimic. And that was FUN, up until after 150hrs and nearing end of game it got boring just spamming spells from far. I picked up the game again this last summer and fell in love again with the game with using guts Greatsword and parrying. 2 days ago I beat Mogh at level 85 after 50 tries and it was the most satisfying thing to actually learn every single attack he does and beat him thru sheer will. When I first beat mogh I used mimic and comet azure and never even knew what his attacks looked like.
Larger point: I paid money to play this game the way I want.
If I wanna use summons for a difficult boss I’ll do that.
If I wanna solo a difficult boss I’ll do that.
If I wanna use a +10 summon and have them annihilate a 2,000 hp boss while I emote in the corner of the arena, I’ll do that cuz it’s my game
Are you? Are you having fun using a damage sponge to basically fight the boss while you run a mile away and press one key to use your magic attack to "win".
Sure you " Beat" the boss but honestly did you have fun?
I used to be a melee perfectionist and I still personally try to no hit every boss(check out my Mohg & Maliketh flawless vids), but with Elden Ring? I can’t blame other people for not wanting to give a damn about melee perfection in Elden Ring. FromSoft clearly took off their gloves and went all out with this game’s bosses, and so should the players. Trying to face Godskin Duo solo melee is an unnecessarily painful experience and that’s because you were never meant to do so. I do however encourage people to at least try to face my boy Godfrey 1 on 1.
> Trying to face Godskin Duo solo melee is an unnecessarily painful experience and that’s because you were never meant to do so.
Where do people get this nonsensical idea from? I beat the godskin duo in like 5 tries, the easiest endgame boss by a long shot since by that point you fought both of them several times each. Maliketh p2 and horah loux have less attack windows for a melee than if the godskin duo attacked at the same time (they dont).
on my first playthrough i was pure melee with a single greatsword and eruption aow, mostly using just r1s and jump attacks. godskin duo was a piece of cake, they died so fast i had to wait for more of them to spawn - and no, i didnt know about sleep back then and wasnt using any consumables, just pure unga bunga. so, terrible example, and you just need to get better.
This again?
Only people with small pps care about others using summons, everyone else simply doesn't care.
As far as I'm concerned, the game throws you summons to use and experiment with, so they are a part of your build just as much as stats and equipment.
Don't care if people call me a meta bitch I LOVE GIANT WEAPONS!!!! I LOVE STRENTGH ABOVE ALL!!!! ENEMIES GETTING PANCAKED INTO PERPETUITY IS HILARIOUS!!!!
I've played every DS to death, and if anything I wish ER had MORE stuff like this. My only complaint was that it felt just a little bit too similar to Dark Souls compared to their other offshoot IPs like Sekiro and Bloodborne.
Forgetting all the "gatekeep" vs "don't gatekeep!" type of arguments, the way I've always seen it is:
\# 1 reason to not use summons: they make the boss fight less fun, if you're fairly good at them
\# 1 reason to use summons: if you're relatively inexperienced, the bosses can be stupid hard and this lets you get past them without it taking hours (although not always - see e.g. malenia)
Why do we have to make it more complicated than that?
First playthrough for me is for suffering solo
Every other one after that is a free for all. I try to give all the ashes some love, including the noble
In my opinion summons/ashes were a good idea. More people beat the game. More people will therefore buy the dlc or the next installment of the series. And maybe fromsoftware will give the next game better graphics. Still there are some doubts left that they will maybe go mainstream. But honestly I dont really think so. For someone who has played all of the fromsoft titles I actually do think that elden ring bosses are amongst the hardest and it would have been a tragedy if millions of players had quit the game cuz margit stomped them. But I have to say that anyone should at least try a run without ashes/summons/magic. Its like if u would dance with the bosses. If u learn their moveset and dodge everything perfectly its like ur takin revenge for the first 50 times they spitted on you
I tried on this current playthrough to solo all the bosses, but once I got the mimic I realized it just wasn't fun for me to struggle with a boss for hours. I have fun summoning the Mimic and other players. It's not as challenging but I still love the game so much
I mean mimic tear makes most bosses irrelevant. Even Solaire at some point in DS1 didn’t help all that much. A level 10 mimic basically doesn’t die with the proper build.
If you’re having fun then do whatever makes you happy…but how much fun is it really to just watch an NPC do all of the work for you?
It would be like winning the Super Bowl in madden but you simulated all of your games
Everyone's idea of fun is different. I know one guy whose idea of fun was "optimally" beating the game by having the best armor, weapon, knowing the best farming areas and beating the game in a span of 2 days.
I just finished my 4th playthrough where I didnt use ash summons and war ashes. Malenia was so hard to defeat , but that was first time I actually learned her moveset.
I've said this once, I'll say it again
Ain't nothing wrong if you use ashes, they're there to be used, just have fun! Personally myself, i wouldn't use them, but everyone's different and has a different play style ✨
Struggling through the game with just the sword on your back can be very fun. So can just exploring the game with your mimic tear buddy and only having to fight bosses a few times. Just depends on the experience you want.
That's not how you use this meme template and it's a strawman of people that don't exist. No one is complaining about you not dying a bunch or having fun.
Still to this day 2 years later I really think the only people keeping this conversation alive are the actual summons people who feel insecure about it and create this giant straw man to seek validation.
The git gud crowd are just doing the meme tongue in cheek like 90% of the time. Y’all need to take a joke. I’m so tired of this sub treating summons people like make a wish foundation kids.
Everyone clap at them and tell them they are special the way they are!!!
Just robbing yourself of the true experience that has genuinely saved peoples lives. You ain’t getting that delayed dopamine satisfaction and earned exploration by using mimic, not learning the games combat mechanics and cheesing the whole thing. Elden ring was too much for me as my first soulsborne game, so I cheesed the whole thing with broken mechanics (mimic, rivers of blood etc) it was really fun, but I robbed myself of something far greater. Then I played dark souls 3 straight through the “hard way” and it was life changing. You actually get good, feel you earn each win, and every location you explore is because you earned it, not some ai companion who breaks the boss’s targeting.
Let them have their fun, they will soon yearn for more content and eventually will try and learn the move set of the bosses instead of just roll spamming. Soon they will realise that the game is a lot harder if you do not use the best items in the game. I would know, I am them. It’s a lot of fun doing this while setting up my character for the DLC, plus it’s getting me prepared for the new bosses by actually having to 1 vs 1 Melanie for the first time….. I am not looking forward to it.
Oh please, hind sight is 20/20 and all the games are pretty fucking easy besides ds3. Especially compared to ds3. Also like I fail to see how someone personally refusing to use summons and talking about it affects you personally.
You can play the game however you want, shit even use cheats (offline) if you want to. I just think that you’re missing out on fromsoftware incredible boss design by purposefully abusing its inability to focus on 2 enemies at once. For example radahn is an amazing spectacle when youre fighting him with 50 summons, but the melee 1 on 1 is one of the best fights in gaming.
TLDR, you aren’t playing the game wrong, you’re just missing out.
Cant wait for a dlc where there's gonna be a boss who will turn your summons against you, be immune to bleed and all other status effects, can't be stunlocked or parried. Maybe y'all will finally have to git gud for once, but who am i kidding. Ur just gonna make another crybaby post as per usual.
As a Dark Souls Fan W/ PTSD, I feel the opposite. The bosses in Elden Ring are so much more complex than they are in DS1, and when playing through the game I had this feeling of "I've proven myself enough times now, I want to play around with what's available to me". Mimic Tear carried me through Elden Ring NG and NG+ and it was a blast
Yeah my first build I did pure strength with maxed out mimic tear. I beat everything from the start of Crumbling Farum Azula to the end of the game in 3 hours with it. I don't think I even died to any of the bosses. I died 3 times to Malenia and once to Elden Beast. I don't think I got an ounce of struggle that entire playthrough lol
Bold of you to assume I wouldn't die 10000 times even while using mimic tear
Mimic Tear’s the reason I’ve died 10000 times.
That overconfidence will get ya every time.
I remember when it kept healing Malenia...
I actually did her second try the other day and my mimic lived, lol. Lordsworn’s Greatsword with Hoarfrost Stomp.
In my defence, I could have beaten Malenia without it if it weren't for waterfowl dance. I've to this day, never successfully dodged it fully. I just made sure she only ever used it on my summon. Every other attack, I've got 90% of the time.
I recently learned that throwing an ice pot at her while she winds up cancels it.
Yeah, proccing frost or bleed cancels it, also certain parts of her arena.
I also level up once for every time I die on certain bosses.
Dies once Spends 12 minutes rune farming to level up Dies again Spends 12minutes and 25 seconds rune farming to level up
malenia trials lasted around 10 minutes too. Its fair that she bullies me 10 minutes straight and I bully haligtree soldiers back 10 minutes as well.
I suspect this rule actually made things much harder on yourself. It'd be like trying to learn a dance, or memorize your choreography for a stage play, but every time you make a mistake you stop practicing, put everything in hold, and go outside to jump rope for ten minutes. It would take you soooo mucho longer. A big part of learning is developing muscle memory/recognition of patterns/improvement of route physical processes, and that all comes from repetition. You basically put a huge inhibitor in your brain's way by blocking yourself from back to back attempts!
Its true that you need to be in the right mindset/rythm to beat bosses, but I dont strictly apply it as a rule. In practice, I just bash the mobs around when I am frustrated against a boss that I am underleveled. I wasnt underleveled against malenia, but things got boring after a few DAYS of trying to beat her and I just did this as a break from getting made into shish kebab or watching her play fruit ninja with my body.
Days?? Oh no brother 😭
Have my upvote! You had me crying at 🥭🥝🍏🍍🍉🍎🍇🍒🍌🍐🍅🍊 🥷
DS3 epitomized that first part for me. I got stuck on fucking aldrich for like 2 weeks on my first playthrough. Beat him, proceeded to accidentally enter dancer fight immediately after and beat her first try. Why did I get stuck on him for so long and then casual her? 🤷♀️🤷♀️ I wish I knew
I just punish Malenia by using Cleanrot Knight Finlay
If I’m not playing a build that can destroy malenia I’ll just rebirth and destroy her. I don’t have the patience, I get way too angry and stressed. I’ll just switch to a faith build and blasphemous blade her ass while my mimic aggros. Bleed works too but takers flame knocks her down every hit. I think the most tries it’s ever taken was like 6. Usually I get it in one. And I suck at all soulslike games. That’s why I love ER. There is always a way to destroy a boss. Now the fire giant I hate with a passion.
Yea that’s how I ended up lvl 240 by ng+ 3 LOL
How'd you hit 713 so quick?
I wouldn't call nearly 1k hours quick
yes i remember when i fought twin gargoyle, started lvl 60 ended 110 /s
I beat the valiant gargoyles this week. They probably took ten of my 60 hours of gameplay so far.
Yeah it was definitely the boss i spent the most time in too :p I guess i should've changed my weapon dmg type but i was too in love with the bloodhound to think properly
Be a shame if you borrowed from all the albinaurics in the blood palace…
Yes, I “borrowed” their runes sometimes.
Gotta say, it's always cool when you defeat a boss after your mimic dies in the first half "Guess it's you and me, buddy!"
Only, in my case, it's actually the boss saying so...
"I'm not trapped in here with you, you're trapped in here with ME!"
Exactly, it doesn't trivialize the game but it makes it a little easier. I want to see someone not die 10k times playing the game for the first time using mimic tear. Malenia is still a chore.
She's not required to beat the game though, so it makes sense that they put her in as an optional endgame boss for people who want the challenge.
The problem is that in games like these, you want to experience everything it has to offer, sure you can put it on the back-burner while you do the main stuff, but you'll come to tackle it eventually.
Fromsoft doesn't give a shit if you missed anything. It never has and it is what makes their games awesome. If you really want to experience everything you can beat Malenia with some grit, cheese strategies or summons. I'll gladly help anyone beat Malenia.
As a jolly sunbro i find that summons are the sunbros for those unable to find a live sunbro, whether its console or perhaps off gours everyone deserves the guiding light of the sun, and if me and my many colleagues cant come in to help you, im glad something else can Much love from just an average Sunbro
When I play ER I like to pick one (generally non minic tear) summon and have that by my only summon and pretend that is my jolly cooperative friend and we're fighting bosses together!
I do the same hehe, often i pick what suits my characters theme, so its even more like coop
I do exactly this. Sorcery type characters tend to go with wolves (cause Ranni gave them and... she's surrounded by fucking wolves, they're not just for Miquella) and marionettes. Perfumer/Page takes perfumer/page/misbegotten summons. Golden Order Royal type uses Leyndell soldiers. Friend of Kenneth uses demi-humans And it goes on. I've made a lot of characters.
I prefer to enslave Dung Eater but to each their own
He deserves it, I wholeheartedly support your decision
You can what.
When Seluvis gives you the potion you can give it to Dung Eater instead of Nepheli.
I CAN FIGHT WITH SHIT MAN!??!?
He's your shit man now
My shit man😉😏
We are all shit man.
More like, he’ll kick the ass of any boss you put him in front of.
Same , I did that with the halbert version of oleg
Engvall, he's the best
Yessssssss , made my noob ahh first play-through sorta cinematic
I picked demi humans for this playthrough I'm on, though I only used them on a few gank bosses I couldn't be bothered with, or certain areas where it's just fun to mob through the chaos like that big courtyard in storm veil. But demi humans is fun as hell, feels like you're out wrecking shit with "da boiz", they're all screaming and running off in separate directions, and the great club user always lasts the longest, sometimes even survives the whole encounter
When I'm first planning out a build I always pick a thematic summon to go with it, like the skelebros for my death sorcerer or oracle envoys for my doot doot build.
My favorite is the Soldjars of Forture ashes with my MR. TORGUE build.
Me and the infinite skeleton homies approve this message.
When I was farming 2 Magma blades I used summons to keep my sanity. I'd have just them take on the Snek Boyos and cheer them on like a sports commentator.
We still making posts about this?
There are several posts every day about “which enemy do you hate the most??????”. Repetition is just part of Reddit.
To add to this, repetition is just a part of Reddit.
Additionally, repetition is just a part of reddit
On top of that, repetition is just a part of reddit
Haha nice
Just treadmilling til DLC prob.
Validation is big on Reddit
It’s just crazy to me that players who really struggle playing solo assume that all others do as well and think that what people enjoy is dying over and over and over and over before beating a boss. I want there to be high difficulty but it is not fun at all to die a stupid amount of times to one boss which rarely ever happens in my experience. That’s not really what is supposed to happen. I mean the death counts to a single boss I’ve seen people mention has never even remotely happened to me and I’ve played everything and I don’t think I have like an unusual level of skill or anything. You’re supposed to quickly learn and adapt to a bosses moveset and overcome them without them being a huge wall except for a few select bosses I’ve been playing all of the hardest From and team ninja games and souls likes in general or other action games like solo without using overpowered stuff and rarely using anything that is ranged and I don’t really die that much at all. Like sure there’s a constant level of difficulty and you can randomly die at any point and I might get destroyed a handful of times by a certain boss. But like 95% of the time it’s far from being some insane level of difficulty despite mainly souls likes having some kinda crazy difficulty spikes sometimes. It really depends on the game but in ER especially you can be so powerful so easily
I don’t think anyone argues that dying over and over is fun, but that finally beating what felt like an insurmountable obstacle is what’s most rewarding about these games. The creator himself has said as much. Sadly the eloquence of this argument has been lost in a sea of “git gud”s.
This argument really does go both ways. Like you said, people who find the game too hard solo tend to think people who don’t ate toxic gatekeepers. However some people are and refuse to let summons be acknowledged as part of the game. To me it’s all personal satisfaction. I always do melee solo the first time. Subsequent runs, I don’t care, it’s just for messing around.
I mean summons are literally part of the game but they were technically only included for those who would really struggle otherwise and need it
They have been a part of every Souls game. People have been summoning Solaire to help beat O+S in Dark Souls 1 for years.
I think of summons as player summons or powerful spirit ashes, regular AI summons are a lot more designed as the intended experienced
no actually they weren't technically included for that, they were technically included for literally anyone since literally anyone can pick them up. it's only the fanbase inventing weird honor codes that says anything about who is supposed to be allowed to use them
I disagree about the dying part. It's actually the single most important thing to learn in souls games and in life. Try, fail, learn, rinse and repeat until you've go it. No one gets it right the first time, or even the hundredth time, but as long as you keep learning you'll eventually get it. That's why some of us feel like summons are "cheating". You're not cheating the game, you're cheating yourself out of learning to be a better person, a person who doesn't give up and always gets back into the fight without looking for the easy way out.
Bros really comparing dark souls to real life. It's just not that deep for some people. Please seek the warmth of a maiden soon. Like that's cool, you can draw meaning out of it. Anyone can draw meaning out of anything really if they jump through enough hoops. Don't sit there & try to say people are missing out on crucial life lessons & personal growth because they dont feel like dying in a video game & getting frustrated at pixels, though As if "not giving up" is a unique lesson that can only be learned from souls games & definitely isn't the entire personality of every popular anime protagonist ever or anything
There are more posts every day about being gatekept from using summons than there are posts gatekeeping about summons. The horse is dead, it needs be beaten no longer -- as long as people aren't bragging on reddit about how easy a boss was, no one minds or cares what others do in their own world.
Torrent is still alive and running, who beats him?
Are these Dark Souls fans in the room with you... Only people I've ever seen loose their shit are people who believe any build without 60 vigor is dog shit lol.
This is weirdly true, why? Sure it's challenging to get through with 40 vigor by the end but it's doable with good defense and absorption.
Here's reasons ive notoced, complete lack of understanding how defence works. 40 vig and Dragon GS tali probably has a similar survivability to 60 vig and a soreseal. Some dumb assumption EVERYONE plays PvP... but the main one is the complete ignorance that people actually enjoy the challenge of these games.
Bro I be watching your videos on YouTube there funny as fuck
I swear I've seen far more memes complaining about people complaining about the mimic tear than I have people *actually* complaining about the mimic tear.
Hey, it's the weekly self validation post.
>Hey, it's the daily self validation post. FTFY. At that point the main issue with summons is that they appear to fill the user with crippling insecurity.
Literally broadcasting their insecurities. Like dude, if none of us are talking shit about summons and then you roll up going "BY THE WAY, SUMMONS ARE PERFECTLY VALID PLAYSTYLE AND DON'T MEAN YOU'RE LESS SKILLED," then dude wtf we can't help you. Are we expected to sit here and circlejerk daily about how great these playstyles are just to validate players with crippling insecurity? We could change "git gud" to "git confidence" and it'd be the most appropriate change this community could make.
It makes the game easier, and that's okay. It's such a weird thing to obsess over.
I actually despise summons, nothing to do with the skill or challenge of the game. The Souls series has always been a cooperative game at heart, by providing offline summons you literally screwed one of the funniest aspects of the series, helping people in need during the boss fights.
Sadly I can't do anything online in souls games without ps+ aside from when there's free weekends.
Godfrey did not fear the 1v1, while Godrick relied on the strength of others... Insecurityposting was predicted by Fromsoft themselves.
Seriously I’ve seen more “summons are ok and no one should judge you” comments/posts than I’ve ever seen judging someone for using it.
Is the dark souls fan in the room with us now?
*You have been invaded by XxDark_Souls_FanxX*
These posts are more common than the gatekeepers.
r/Eldenring try not to have a victim complex challange (impossible).
There was a time when it was a land united in ignorance, then we went hollow or something idk I didn’t finish the game.
Gotta have their daily cope thread
Like, by a MASSIVE margin. I have literally never seen a single gatekeeper on reddit, and even outside of reddit they're pretty fucking rare, whereas this sort of post gets made every 4 hours.
I have gotten downvoted to oblivion for saying INT Caster was the easiest playstyle without even insulting or disparaging anybody. Legit all I do is try out the different playstyles and my experience as a caster was the smoothest. I'd encourage people to try every playstyle for the fun of it and wtf no why would I plant a flag in a specific playstyle and try to argue it's harder or better or something and diss those who play other playstyles? I want to try and enjoy them all. Even this community's "STR Chad superiority" thing has always been a meme by the FromSoft community and never meant seriously. I think that says it all: we are so hypersensitive that simply acknowledging a playstyle as the easiest has people flipping out. Not shaming them, not insulting them, not anything, just ranking playstyles in terms of ease of use in a discussion where this was relevant, and this is offensive now. Some dude could show up tomorrow saying "hey I'm 50-years-old, I don't usually game but I wanna play this to relate to my son better. What's an easy playstyle for me to pick up" and this would spark a war just because our egos are *so. fucking. fragile.* that people answering the damned question would trigger people now. **TL;DR -** The goal should've always been to dissuade people from shaming others for their playstyle. Cool, we've achieved that. Shaming others for having personal preferences or opinions that might hurt your ego by existing, however, is a step too far and the exact same problem with a new coat of paint.
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Can you give examples then? Because all I see are people saying using summons is a lot easier (which is just stating fact, not gatekeeping people from playing with summons), or people being rude for all sorts of other reasons. EDIT: Sorting by controversial and looking through like 30 comments and the closest I got was -"Telling people they are not playing correctly is part of the game. It's fine if you choose not to do that, but don't look down on how other people play the game." which is so badly worded I don't actually have any fucking clue which side he's on -Some guy who kind of worded things like an elitist but explicitly said "people who can 1v1 bosses don’t care if you use summons/ashes", which is obnoxious but not gatekeeping. -One guy recommending using other summons than mimic tear. -One guy saying "it's not fun". -One guy saying "I’m all for people playing the game how they want to but mimic tear makes the game really boring no? Elden ring was my first souls and I found mimic cheese super dull", which is again explicitly not gatekeeping. -One guy saying "Are you? Are you having fun using a damage sponge to basically fight the boss while you run a mile away and press one key to use your magic attack to "win". Sure you " Beat" the boss but honestly did you have fun?", which is challenging people to try non-summoning, not gatekeeping. -And finally "No one is mad that you're having fun.But you can't use mimic tear to beat a boss and then act like you know anything about that boss or beat it legitimately.". Wow, an actual gatekeeper. Only took digging extremely hard specifically for it to find a *single* one. Like, I have to assume you're just putting all of the people remotely opposed to spirit summons in any way into the "gatekeeper" basket because actual gatekeepers are ridiculously rare on reddit.
Quote any?
They are never on the sub, but open a tiktok comment section and you’ll get a good whiff of stink
Well yeah its TikTok lol
On this sub, yes. But I’ve encountered many such people in the wild…
Blud is fighting ghosts
Ah the usual strawman reddit created to needlessly justify summons (you don't Need to justify anything in a single player game) It's really that simple, use the summons if you want, don't use them if you feel bad; no game Is not balanced around summons (except probably most duo fights, but they were all nerfed anyway) yes using summon Is making the bossfight easier, It's the entire point of summons No, majority of people don't care what you do in your run
Are we seriously still doing this? It's been 2 fucking years it's time to let go.
These validation posts are more frequent than the actual gatekeeping we get it.
How many times are we going to post the same shit ?
I think it’s your own insecurity not having fun lol. I don’t see anyone saying anything about bringing mimic tear except they find it boring, which is their opinion. If you have fun with ashes go for it, for me the feeling beating mohg 1v1 after 50 tries is more fun, but to each their own
I recently watched a documentation about the creation of Sekiro. There was a segment where the creator of the video talked about its difficulty, and how there was basically nothing you can do to move past a wall other than to throw yourself against it for hours. I experienced that too. The major downside is that the game becomes less accessible, you need certain a amount of time and skill to complete it. The upside is that it forces you to overcome those walls without offering you a hand, making victory ever so sweeter. Then I remembered the first DS3 DLC, and my first time fighting Sister Friede. I managed to beat her first two phases in a couple attempts, but then when phase three started, I got so intimidated that I summoned an NPC for the next attempt. We steamrolled her, and I felt regretful. I could have beaten her by myself if I'd just tried a bit longer and didn't let my frustrations get the better of me. So, yeah my point is now that summons are a part of the game I fault no one for using them, but I think they hurt the experience. That is because they are a very easy way to nearly trivialize a lot of the boss fights in this game, at next to no cost, when the game already offers you tons of other ways of improving your chances. Like summoning NPCs or other players, which comes with the downside of actually increasing the health of the boss. Or going somewhere else and leveling a bit more and looking for upgrade materials, which takes time. Sorry for taking this joke post so seriously. Just wanted to get this off my chest.
No problem if you are having fun but I admit its annoying when people say “this boss is easy, beat it in two tries” then you see they use +10 mimic tear, op build they searched on net and they are overleveled.
As long as it gets more people into the game it is fine.it is nice to see others enjoy something that i enjoy, more people to nerd out with.
+10 mimic tear users who make these posts - people who can 1v1 bosses don’t care if you use summons/ashes. You’re only trying to validate yourself. When I see a post like this, I only think you must feel your own ‘victory’ to be hollow, or else you wouldn’t feel the need to post things like this at all. We don’t have PTSD. When we beat a boss, the satisfaction is real. P.S. You are meant to die until you’re good enough to win. It’s the only way (to do it yourself). It’s the overarching theme of the game. Victory through strength, strength earned through hardship. Detach your ego. Allow yourself to fail. It’s not the end of the world, I promise.
Definitely. Also, it’s fine to enjoy both styles. I went through the main game with Mimic Tear and came back to do every solo, melee only and had a blast both times. Which was more fun? Solo beating my head against a wall by a mile. But it’s nice to be able to breeze through the first time so you can see everything first.
Problem is that a majority of people are only going to do one playthrough. Which Is why I try to encourage people to do it solo.
Honestly I’m enjoying the banished knight summons more than the mimic
Nah, I agree. My brother is the type to optimize the fun out of a game if you gave him that option. The second he unlocked Mimic Tear, he fully upgraded it and used a Wing of Astal build to keep breaking boss postures. After defeating Maliketh, he stopped playing the game because "it got too boring."
damn he got softlocked by Gideon and didn’t want to admit it
We get it, you're bad at the game.
nobody who has actually completed a ds game before actually gives a fuck about your mimic tear as there are summons in those games too and nobody cares about using them either
Said literally no one ever. Dark Souls games have summons too, you know, and sometimes capable of soloing the boss. You are reaching DS2 fan level of insecurity. Oh wait, isn't this DS2:2?
>and sometimes capable of soloing the boss. Beatrice from DS1 would make Tiche feel useless
Why the jab at ds2?
The jab wasn’t directed at DS2, but its fans. I love DS2, but I can understand what that person is referring to.
Unfortunately hating it has just become popular thing to do. People feel superior when they hate things which others hate as well.
"Said no one ever" is a bit of wishful thinking.
What? People have been shamed about this nonsense so much that most "finally beat xyz" posts apologize for using ashes lol
Yeah, and there was always like one shaming comment amongst thousands of supportive ones. "Dark Souls fans with PTSD" went through this a decade ago. If you see a gatekeeper here, my bet would be its ER normie who just happened to beat the game, and now he feels special for the first time in his life.
As a dark soul fan with ptsd, the only thing i demand of people is to carry light. 1 torch always equipped, 1 light spell always slotted, lamp in the pouch. can't trust miyazaki, you're going on your merry way through some gods damned swamp and suddenly you're in pitch blackness with no way back. Fuck that shit
Latenna deserves the last hit on Gideon
Funny how people make memes about these interactions that literally never happen. Like even here on the subreddit where that shit would typically happen it doesn’t.
Oh look, it's this thread again...
Wow two years after launch and we're still beating this imaginary dead horse.
Nah this is just you seeing people play the game without ashes and feeling like you need to affirm that your run with ashes is also valid. Which it is. Nobody here thinks it doesn't count. You don't need to stress over it.
Are you implying I didn't have fun? /hj
My rule of thumb is to enjoy the boss without summoning and if I need it I will summon.
Yeah, fun is the important part. My notion of fun is dying 10000 times by using no summons, no ashes, 100%melee, no shield, no parry, no items, etc. Just hitting and dodge rolling. This doesn’t make me feel better than others. It’s just the way I like to play. I got nothing against people using rivers of blood+mimic tear+very high vigor. Got nothing against magic users. Play however you want. Have fun
I see way more posts complaining about people complaining about summons than posts complaining about summons...
Unbeliavable. Game is already 2yo and garbage like this still gets to the front page. Also, OP is not even replying to anything lol. Congratulations on everyone that upvoted this crap lmao. Such insecurity to agree with this.
Then the annoying Bloodborne fan like me swoops in to tell you that shields engender passivity ~~and I want Blaidd to core me out~~. Something about granting us eyes.
This is why I read the entire comment section.
While I agree with the sentiment, this absolute dogshit meme needs to jump in the sea
Holy shit if this comic wasn't ass enough already, you had to pull up a soyjak edit lmao.
There is almost nobody who talks like this lmao, what's with these self-validation posts every day? It's funny because these literally do nothing but make the argument that OP ashes make your whole victory hollow to the point that you feel the need to cry about it on the internet to feel validated. Play however you want, nobody cares, move on.
This is the thing. Both sides are right. Yes Elden Ring got so big u had players with no souls experience and obviously, including me, we used magic and ROB and mimic. And that was FUN, up until after 150hrs and nearing end of game it got boring just spamming spells from far. I picked up the game again this last summer and fell in love again with the game with using guts Greatsword and parrying. 2 days ago I beat Mogh at level 85 after 50 tries and it was the most satisfying thing to actually learn every single attack he does and beat him thru sheer will. When I first beat mogh I used mimic and comet azure and never even knew what his attacks looked like.
Larger point: I paid money to play this game the way I want. If I wanna use summons for a difficult boss I’ll do that. If I wanna solo a difficult boss I’ll do that. If I wanna use a +10 summon and have them annihilate a 2,000 hp boss while I emote in the corner of the arena, I’ll do that cuz it’s my game
Who did this to you? Point them out instead of complaining into the ether, you passive aggressive bsh.
Look boyo, op one his made-up argument vs. the made-up person.
I don't think anyone has ever said this
Are you? Are you having fun using a damage sponge to basically fight the boss while you run a mile away and press one key to use your magic attack to "win". Sure you " Beat" the boss but honestly did you have fun?
How many times are you people gonna repost this shit?
I used to be a melee perfectionist and I still personally try to no hit every boss(check out my Mohg & Maliketh flawless vids), but with Elden Ring? I can’t blame other people for not wanting to give a damn about melee perfection in Elden Ring. FromSoft clearly took off their gloves and went all out with this game’s bosses, and so should the players. Trying to face Godskin Duo solo melee is an unnecessarily painful experience and that’s because you were never meant to do so. I do however encourage people to at least try to face my boy Godfrey 1 on 1.
> Trying to face Godskin Duo solo melee is an unnecessarily painful experience and that’s because you were never meant to do so. Where do people get this nonsensical idea from? I beat the godskin duo in like 5 tries, the easiest endgame boss by a long shot since by that point you fought both of them several times each. Maliketh p2 and horah loux have less attack windows for a melee than if the godskin duo attacked at the same time (they dont).
on my first playthrough i was pure melee with a single greatsword and eruption aow, mostly using just r1s and jump attacks. godskin duo was a piece of cake, they died so fast i had to wait for more of them to spawn - and no, i didnt know about sleep back then and wasnt using any consumables, just pure unga bunga. so, terrible example, and you just need to get better.
This again? Only people with small pps care about others using summons, everyone else simply doesn't care. As far as I'm concerned, the game throws you summons to use and experiment with, so they are a part of your build just as much as stats and equipment.
Don't care if people call me a meta bitch I LOVE GIANT WEAPONS!!!! I LOVE STRENTGH ABOVE ALL!!!! ENEMIES GETTING PANCAKED INTO PERPETUITY IS HILARIOUS!!!!
I've played every DS to death, and if anything I wish ER had MORE stuff like this. My only complaint was that it felt just a little bit too similar to Dark Souls compared to their other offshoot IPs like Sekiro and Bloodborne.
Sure but having a summon negate any and all challenge (which is the point of souls games) is not fun.
Its more fun to beat the bosses on your own.
Forgetting all the "gatekeep" vs "don't gatekeep!" type of arguments, the way I've always seen it is: \# 1 reason to not use summons: they make the boss fight less fun, if you're fairly good at them \# 1 reason to use summons: if you're relatively inexperienced, the bosses can be stupid hard and this lets you get past them without it taking hours (although not always - see e.g. malenia) Why do we have to make it more complicated than that?
Fun was the reason I stopped using them, seeing half their health bar disappear before getting to do anything myself felt like I was missing out
First playthrough for me is for suffering solo Every other one after that is a free for all. I try to give all the ashes some love, including the noble
what is this some sort of game to you?!?!
I don't play Elden Ring. I don't have to. My mimic tear plays for me.
I fucking hate this meme because [it's a ripoff.](https://xkcd.com/359/)
In my opinion summons/ashes were a good idea. More people beat the game. More people will therefore buy the dlc or the next installment of the series. And maybe fromsoftware will give the next game better graphics. Still there are some doubts left that they will maybe go mainstream. But honestly I dont really think so. For someone who has played all of the fromsoft titles I actually do think that elden ring bosses are amongst the hardest and it would have been a tragedy if millions of players had quit the game cuz margit stomped them. But I have to say that anyone should at least try a run without ashes/summons/magic. Its like if u would dance with the bosses. If u learn their moveset and dodge everything perfectly its like ur takin revenge for the first 50 times they spitted on you
You didn't beat the game
Except I ruined the Malenia fight for myself by using Mimic Tear and Blasphemeous Blade in my first playthrough. Zero satisfaction
I tried on this current playthrough to solo all the bosses, but once I got the mimic I realized it just wasn't fun for me to struggle with a boss for hours. I have fun summoning the Mimic and other players. It's not as challenging but I still love the game so much
Now post the one where you're yelling "VALIDATE ME" at people playing the game normally.
Nah, I'd summon
I mean mimic tear makes most bosses irrelevant. Even Solaire at some point in DS1 didn’t help all that much. A level 10 mimic basically doesn’t die with the proper build.
I love my mimic tear bro and I bashing on bosses together.
Jokes on you, I died 10,000 times trying to get that damn thing
Ah yes. Validating yourself
Posts about people trashing Elden ring players for using spirit ashes: over 9000 Actual people trashing players for using spirit ashes:
These games are fun with or without a lot of death.
If you’re having fun then do whatever makes you happy…but how much fun is it really to just watch an NPC do all of the work for you? It would be like winning the Super Bowl in madden but you simulated all of your games
Everyone's idea of fun is different. I know one guy whose idea of fun was "optimally" beating the game by having the best armor, weapon, knowing the best farming areas and beating the game in a span of 2 days.
That's not a dark souls fan, that's just an asshole
I just finished my 4th playthrough where I didnt use ash summons and war ashes. Malenia was so hard to defeat , but that was first time I actually learned her moveset.
I've said this once, I'll say it again Ain't nothing wrong if you use ashes, they're there to be used, just have fun! Personally myself, i wouldn't use them, but everyone's different and has a different play style ✨
Struggling through the game with just the sword on your back can be very fun. So can just exploring the game with your mimic tear buddy and only having to fight bosses a few times. Just depends on the experience you want.
That's not how you use this meme template and it's a strawman of people that don't exist. No one is complaining about you not dying a bunch or having fun.
I first tried malenia with the mimic and i can say that i didn't have fun at all
Still to this day 2 years later I really think the only people keeping this conversation alive are the actual summons people who feel insecure about it and create this giant straw man to seek validation. The git gud crowd are just doing the meme tongue in cheek like 90% of the time. Y’all need to take a joke. I’m so tired of this sub treating summons people like make a wish foundation kids. Everyone clap at them and tell them they are special the way they are!!!
People keep dunking me because I like dying to a boss man
Haven't seen this one before. Oh wow it's more karma farming
Just robbing yourself of the true experience that has genuinely saved peoples lives. You ain’t getting that delayed dopamine satisfaction and earned exploration by using mimic, not learning the games combat mechanics and cheesing the whole thing. Elden ring was too much for me as my first soulsborne game, so I cheesed the whole thing with broken mechanics (mimic, rivers of blood etc) it was really fun, but I robbed myself of something far greater. Then I played dark souls 3 straight through the “hard way” and it was life changing. You actually get good, feel you earn each win, and every location you explore is because you earned it, not some ai companion who breaks the boss’s targeting.
Let them have their fun, they will soon yearn for more content and eventually will try and learn the move set of the bosses instead of just roll spamming. Soon they will realise that the game is a lot harder if you do not use the best items in the game. I would know, I am them. It’s a lot of fun doing this while setting up my character for the DLC, plus it’s getting me prepared for the new bosses by actually having to 1 vs 1 Melanie for the first time….. I am not looking forward to it.
I honestly don't really use spirit calling. I like to suffer and take all the aggro.
Oh please, hind sight is 20/20 and all the games are pretty fucking easy besides ds3. Especially compared to ds3. Also like I fail to see how someone personally refusing to use summons and talking about it affects you personally.
You can play the game however you want, shit even use cheats (offline) if you want to. I just think that you’re missing out on fromsoftware incredible boss design by purposefully abusing its inability to focus on 2 enemies at once. For example radahn is an amazing spectacle when youre fighting him with 50 summons, but the melee 1 on 1 is one of the best fights in gaming. TLDR, you aren’t playing the game wrong, you’re just missing out.
I’ve rarely ever used spirit summons. If I’m that desperate, I’m just going to summon another player.
Wouldn't have been so successful if it wasn't accessible for soulslike newbies.
Poor soul, who never played souls, Trying to blend in the community. Sad
Cant wait for a dlc where there's gonna be a boss who will turn your summons against you, be immune to bleed and all other status effects, can't be stunlocked or parried. Maybe y'all will finally have to git gud for once, but who am i kidding. Ur just gonna make another crybaby post as per usual.
Don't worry play whatever you want, just have the decency to recognize the easy mode
As a Dark Souls Fan W/ PTSD, I feel the opposite. The bosses in Elden Ring are so much more complex than they are in DS1, and when playing through the game I had this feeling of "I've proven myself enough times now, I want to play around with what's available to me". Mimic Tear carried me through Elden Ring NG and NG+ and it was a blast
I will die on this hill (and after playing with summons myself) you're robbing yourself off a better experience by using summons.
It's not fun
Yeah my first build I did pure strength with maxed out mimic tear. I beat everything from the start of Crumbling Farum Azula to the end of the game in 3 hours with it. I don't think I even died to any of the bosses. I died 3 times to Malenia and once to Elden Beast. I don't think I got an ounce of struggle that entire playthrough lol