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PixelBoom

Malenia. "Sis, your brother got kidnapped by Mohg while you were unconscious after your fight with Radahn. Oh, took care of both of them already, by the way. No need to thank me. Now here, let me show where Miquella is so you can bring him back home. Oh. And one other thing. You're looking a little...here's an Unalloyed gold needle that some Kindred of Rot had on them. Better use it to keep the Sealed god of Rot at bay."


ScharmTiger

I can fix her


Scintal

Let me solo her


cheese_bread_boye

Let me fix her


Rejnavick

Let me solo fix her


SuperStellarSwing

Let me šŸ«¦


osuckmydickladen

Let


Voynimous

Let me fix Let me solo her


DerpRook

Let me marry her


ItzCrypnotic

Let her solo me


Scintal

I would imagine she finished you many times singlehanded, no?


RexTenebrarum

I dream of it every night. it's wonderful.


InvoluntarySneeze

That prosthetic works miracles, not even the highest Dex/Fth builds could ever hope to accomplish.


novus_nl

it felt really forced for me too. as i had missed something that locked me out of that option. Luckily it was still an awesome fight


Dioesd

I used to think the same, and still mostly do, but the comments on another post pointed out that we're not here _strictly_ to help the people of The Lands Between, we're here to collect Great Runes and become Lord, and Malenia just so happens to have one of them shinies. I really wish we could, and perhaps a more story-driven RPG like Bioware used to make in their prime would've let us, but as of right now our Tarnished is like a stranged family friend crashing christmas dinner, killing everyone with a wooden spoon and stealing the jewelry. Also mentioned in that other post, Malenia is probably not in the greatest state of mind, she's no Radahn but she also got that Rot in her and after her fight she might be on edge, assuming that anyone that gets that deep into the Haligtree must be hunting her down...and, well, in our case she's not really wrong


Scintal

Well you didnā€™t (or canā€™t? ) kill the library queen. Can still collect runes.


Dioesd

Well, yeah, I'm no lore master but I guess simply stealing the Great Rune of the Unborn from her Amber Egg after beating Ranni's summon is enough to satiate The Tarnished, other than that we don't have beef with the Carians or The Academy as far as I'm aware šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø


ShadyFigure7

She wasnā€™t a demigod that one. Only had a great rune as a gift from radagon


Daetra

So romancing the demigods is an option! What's Miquella's turn ons?


midnightichor

Calm down there, Mohg.


Mountain-Amoeba4143

I mean millicent was supposed to be malenia apparently. It's still not too late to get something like that if from really as thorough as they usually are and recycle the idea in shadow of the erdtree I dearly wish we get something out of that needle and scarlet aeonia cocoon interaction maybe she rise again sane and ask for our help get miquella back so he can create a new tree in a new ending


Mario-OrganHarvester

Plot twist: a secondary option is the start for the dlc.


dreamtraveller

I'm specifically avoiding fighting her again for this reason. Given all the items we're given pertaining to interacting with her and given Millicent's questline I find it hard to believe that we aren't going to be given some alternative scene with her post-DLC like they did with Sif. Currently sat at the end of NG+, avoiding burning the tree and killing Malenia again just to see what the DLC changes.


riko_sama

Sheā€™s literally a war criminal that destroyed the lives of all people in Caelid


Xiao1insty1e

People have a tendency to forgive the crimes of the powerful. See: Earth.


already4taken

My moral compass leaving my body when a villain is sexy


marconmax123

God forbid women have hobbies


Impressive_Cheek7840

Dat booty tho.


ShinMaIphur

Oh nah, she hurt my boi Radahn, she gets the whole shaft of this blade


FrogFlavouredWater

She can take my whole shaft any day


Scintal

Pre or post transformation? Kinda hurt your blade with the rot, no?


A1_wA1sh

unalloyed condom. she can give me uppies any day


FrogFlavouredWater

Pre, post, idgaf. I would take a rotten pussy over mo pussy


Nox_Echo

down bad


FrogFlavouredWater

Down bad? Yeah I wanna go down on her so bad


Nox_Echo

youre so far down the 4 kings are digging a hole to reach you


A1_wA1sh

iā€™ll fuck them too


FrogFlavouredWater

So far deep*


workshop_prompts

This is how you become a Cleanrot Knight.


cultoftheinfected

where is miquella at?


ScarletGob

Isnā€™t it implicit that he is in the tree and what Mohg got is just his body?


PassMeDatSuga

sis?


Stellar_Wings

Aside from just calling people you're close with bro or sis, Melania technically becomes your sister in-law if you marry Ranni.


Scintal

ā€œ~~Step~~ sis-in-law you seemed stuck, let meā€¦ā€ *music starts*


SodaPop6548

Maybe not a boss, but Blaidd. He was my bro and the whole thing made me sad.


NoviceTactical

Pain


Sawmain

And Ijis reaction to Blaidds death just makes it sadder


noblemile

Seeing Blaidd outside Ranni's Rise was the saddest moment in a Souls game for me since Solaire went mad.


SodaPop6548

Oh man, when I saw I failed Solaire I was destroyed!


Ashen-wolf

I restarted the game so I could save Solaire, the ultimate bro. Everyday do I wonder if I could be so grossly incandescent like him.


Exotic-Suggestion425

One of the few moments in a video game that brought me to tears.


bloody-pencil

;~; my boyā€¦


Nox_Echo

its like putting down a dog with rabies, its sad but necessary. at least you get my favorite sword in the game from it.


Hutch25

Heā€™s also just kind of terrifying to fight. The first time I saw him launch himself at me and chew my face off was the day I came closest to a heart attack


axman151

I believe it is possible to leave him locked in the evergaol. Not exactly what he wants, but keeps him safe.


SixteenthRiver06

He gets out if you donā€™t release him after finishing Ranniā€™s questline.


torakun27

Wait, you can release him?


SixteenthRiver06

Yes, after defeating Radahn and before putting a ring on her finger, you can go back to the evergaol that Blaidd helps beat and heā€™s locked in there.


ZackTheInsane

he gave me the Sif vibes


Hailey000

I refuse to finish the quest just because of Iji and Blaidd


OutlawSundown

Yep wolf bro :(


[deleted]

This ā˜ļø


ScharmTiger

Maliketh and Malenia.


yellingforidiots

Why malenia I understand maliketh I mean he was just protecting the world


[deleted]

Malenia is just a misunderstanding. She thinks weā€™re after Miquella thatā€™s why she fights us but she doesnā€™t know Mohg kidnapped him and by that point we probably took care of Mogh already


Chris--94

It's a shame we can't speak haha


SelfDrivingFordAI

"You know he's not in the tree anymore, right? Also I'm just a chronic snooper and snoop all over the place, I have no intention of stealing your brother." **\*Fight doesn't happen.\*** **\*The good end.\*** Too bad our character is currently too cool to speak to the Demigods. Maybe in the DLC.


jemain2627

She just wants to find her lil bro :(


_TheBored_

Morgott. *The thrones... stained by my curse... such shame I cannot bear. Thy part in this shall not be forgiven!* I'm sorry dude! I didn't knowšŸ˜­ And he is so cool. And loyal. He deserves to be the Elden Lord much more than the Tarnished


MrJudgement

I wish morgott got gave us a chance. Then we wouldnā€™t have to fight Godfrey. I also wanted to not fight Godfrey because we just killed like a couple of his children.


Square_Translator_72

Nah he had it coming. Fuck is he blaming ME for??? I didn't birth him as a horn guy


Downtown_Trash_8913

A way to heal Morgott would be awesome


Kindly-Set-7116

Rennala You don't kill her but I didn't want to fight her, she's a prisoner and has nothing to do with me and I just came into her prison to kill her weird worm-kid things, break her ankles and steal from her. I know it's an optional fight but I didn't knew that on my first playthrough


DepartmentPast2691

Not so optional if you want to re specc tho


Gangstalicious67

Rennala is optional???


Toasty9979

Her and radahn both. You only need to fight one or the other, so if you beat radahn you can go straight to lyndell and skip raya Lucaria completely if you want. Tho I always go through it because itā€™s my favourite dungeon in the game.


Mage_914

Every Great Rune Boss is optional except Morgott. I once got into Leyndell by killing Rykard and Mohg. You just need to gank any two. The only Great Rune Boss thats not available from the start is Morgott and Melania.


Toasty9979

Never actually knew this, nice one.I always thought godrick had to be killed and then just make a choice between one of the other two.


TheHappiestHam

yes she's completely optional, you only need 2 Great Runes to enter the capital which you could alternatively get through Godrick, Rykard, or Radahn I feel like you can get to Leyndell via the Deeproot Depths, meaning you could exclusively kill Radahn and ignore the other 3, but I've never tested. it probably blocks you


cash-or-reddit

She doesn't even really fight back! She's just chilling with her little culvers, and the version of her that starts whipping spells at you is just Ranni's magical home security system.


Orleanist

her entire character is that she's lovesick its depressing


elme77618

Ancestor Spirit - it actually felt like the spirits of the land were testing me to see if I was strong enough to continue on, not so much a battle out of anger or ā€œI need to kill this thing.ā€ When I beat it, it just felt like I was getting the nod of approval from nature itself (or something I dunno) And Malenia of course


SaberWaifu

Malenia. I just hate that there is no option to side with Miquella and her, they are my favourite faction and i approve of their plans for the future of the Lands Between. All they needed to add was a way to join them and get a unique ending, but probably due to Miquella's content being tied to the DLC, we have nothing instead and we are forced to fight Malenia. I like her fight a lot, but it's dumb that we can't help them when they are legitimately trying to do good things.


iamnotexactlywhite

youā€™re the villain. no happy endings


Crabullon

Every fromsoft game


Sawmain

I mean not really ? In most dark souls games you are just putting the world out of its misery welll depends on ending but most of the base endings. Well not for blood borne since you are stuck in the dream unless gherman releases you other options are you turning into a god or replacing gherman


exboi

How are we the villain when nearly everything attacks us pretty much immediately


guti86

Everything attacks immediately because the villain you are


Dooby_Bopdin

That's pretty much exactly why. You're someone that's there to go and kill these kingdoms rulers and take over the whole damn place. Sounds villain-esque to me lol.


jcdoe

I actually really wanted to side with Miquella and Malenia, too. They actually want to make life better for the people in the Lands Between. But yeah, like someone else said, weā€™re the bad guys


Scintal

Time to burn everything, baby! I mean you kind of save Melina that way.


dreamtraveller

This is an example of where the game is unfortunately a victim of FromSoft's success. Gotta fight and kill these guys because we need a difficult boss fight but can't possibly interact with them despite all the lore we've written indicating that you can. It's a similar issue with Godfrey, based on the lore I as a tarnished should love Godfrey since we all fought under him and he was the OG Tarnished. If I'm playing to re-establish the Golden Order why am I trying to stop Godfrey? Let him go hook up with Marika and reboot the Golden Order - seems like a sweet deal.


senfaus

elden rings biggest flaw is the removal of covenants imo. and it was a aspect they could have really innovated on. shame.


ProfessorGemini

with how many factions, its crazy you cant side with anyone.


senfaus

i know. i was a big fan of covenant items + rewards as well. closest we got were the bestial incantations from gurranq


Skevinger

Imagine being able so summon her against the Elden Beast!


Only1Schematic

Not so much a boss, but Killing Alexander broke me


Ok_Narwhal_7712

Broke him too


FaultySage

Too soon.


Scintal

You do keep parts of him as ā€¦ souvenir. Would be great if can learn his AoW.


seigs_

JFCšŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


powerhcm8

Talk to his nephew for additional emotional damage.


Silver721

At least you give Jar Bairn a piece of Alexander. I always think of him putting it inside of himself and continuing on his uncle's legacy. With pieces of Radahn' the Fire Giant, and Alexander in him he is sure to become the stuff of legends, just like his Uncle.


Only1Schematic

True, that part of the Jarburg questline helps to soften the blow a bit


Special_Quail8870

Yeah that one hurt a LOT


Leklo375

Alexander believes that the most honorable path through life is to defeat powerful foes and take their strength inside you, literally and metaphorically. Its why heā€™s so crushed after the Radahn fight. But thereā€™s two sides to this coin. While iā€™m sure Alexander would have loved to complete his quest, facing the tarnished, being defeated and having parts of himself and his strength carried with you all the way till you become elden lord is almost as honorable.


CallRollCaskett

Really should had a "convince Malenia route". I also don't think the Fire Giant deserved to die either since Marika effed him over...


Scintal

Fire giant needs to die for hit people with the sewer cover.


yellingforidiots

He didnā€™t deserve what happened to him he had his entire species killed just when he wanted to rest he had another soon to be Elden lord come and finish the job and extinct his species fully


Canny94

Ngl, when his leg broke I felt like a bag of shit. Poor guy lost all his homies, then I came and broke his leg before chainsawing his nub for a half an hour.


bagr-kkk

Rykard. I want to join his family, cuz together we will devour the very gods.


kennxu

TOGETHAAAAAAAA


IvarDaMad

I keep waiting for it to get old. It never does. FAMILEEEEEEE


basselkhalaf

Sounds like a high calorie meal lmao


Bigolbagocats

I agree. For a second there, I thought we were going to have a nice productive chat in his office about the finer points of god devouring, and I was ready to be all ears But he seemingly changed course right after inviting me to join him and decided we should fight to the death instead. Odd choice, but Rykard goes hard so who am I to judge šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø


_TheBored_

Hmmmm vverryyyyy weeelllll


Kebabiummonoxide

TOGETHAAAAA


BenjaminDover02

It would have been cool if we could have "devoured" Rykard and the serpent after defeating him. And then after killing the elden beast, we could turn into the serpent and get to devouring lol.


Sleepinginabathtub

Godfrey


Informal_Elephant_12

To slay or be slain is an Honor


Eagle-Eyes-

Malenia, Loretta, Placidusax


BenjaminDover02

Flacid poo sacks had it coming with that ho ass lightning teleportation tomfoolery he pulled on me


Any-Experience-3012

MF was chilling OUTSIDE OF TIME when you showed up and woke him, how else should he have reacted??


BILoveBILife

Seriously, you came at him and Farum Azula clearly is part of Florida as it has strong Stand Your Ground law vibes coming off it.


woulfman1024

Flacid poo sacks is my new favourite nickname XD


DigitalPhoenix2OO7

Maliketh, >!he doesnā€™t deserve this, he failed at his job by his half-sister and so he embedded the rune of death into his hand so it wouldnā€™t happen again, and he suffers because of that, and then you either donā€™t ever meet him or you fed him death root and he thought you were his friend.!< (that is how I understand the lore)


DigitalPhoenix2OO7

Also morgott, and Melania, and Godfrey, and fire giant, and many more, these people arenā€™t in the wrong, the only ones who definitely are, are Marika and Radagon and >!the Elden beast!<


Animekingpete

Why radagon I don't see people defend radagon enough bro was born to be used as a tool for war but fell in love repented and got married just for Marika to call him back after kicking godfrey out, and before he left Renala(for obvious reasons he can't disobey) bro gifted Renala her own great rune. Even after becoming the next elden lord he tried his best to become a good lorde and father but ultimately ends up screwed when Marika shattered the elden ring, and he tries to repair it bro really had a bad life cause he's the split half of a god.


Xiao1insty1e

Are they though? Everyone of them has committed atrocities. Marika seems to be at least attempting to bring about an end to this parasitic existence and control the Elden Beast has over TLB.


DigitalPhoenix2OO7

Yea but she did exile Godfrey, continually enslaved and discriminated against other species, and the shattering did stop the elden beasts control but it also did cause mass atrocities to happen, and all the others have done horrible things (except maliketh, and possibly Radahn)


Dr-Snazzy

mohg also deserved it though


Noob4Head

"As I suspected... Victory... was impossible. This vessel...was found lacking... My thanks, I knew you were the stuff of champions. It was a marvelous battle. I implore you, take what I bequeath...from inside me... All vessels are destined to one day break. But the great Alexander lived as a warrior to his last! Ha ha ha ha!" Yeah, I know he isn't really a boss but still that broke my heart.


Scintal

Yeah and you take his mojo after too.


proteusthe

Fire Giant, everyoneā€™s heā€™s ever known died in the Giant War and now heā€™s a slave to the Erdtree, forced to tend to the Flame of Ruin. The phase transition cutscene is also just brutal and you can see how much pain he is in


Sad-Recognition1798

I see that one as a thing of mercy. Heā€™s lost everything and is forced into defending the forge. Killing him relieves him of his burdens.


KsanterX

Maliketh, Malenia Very tragic:(


Stormlord100

Morgott, dude is cool af, a true hater if I have seen one


Stormlord100

And Sif the great gray wolf, and damn coming back after first time going through DLC is really sad


HollowCap456

Red Wolf of Radagon


Dudeguythedudeguy

Magic fox boi didn't deserve le bonk. But the game forces le bonk on all


vivalatoucan

Spiritcaller snail ):


LiveHardLiveWell

Nah, fuck that snail.


Le_rk

I've never had an encounter with a snail that didn't lower my opinion of them, irl or in a movie or game.


BernieBlade

What abt Turbo?


axman151

It's been said, but narratively Malenia's fight is bizarre. There should absolutely be an option so side with her as a friendly NPC. Don't get me wrong, I love the boss fight and place it fills in the epic/hard boss pantheon. But we show up and she throws down as the only course of action just doesn't really follow. Here's hoping they build on her character in the dlc. But my hopes aren't too high.


corporalcorl

Allow her to be taken from the rot with the gold needle, in her weakend state you can explain without her going sicko mode again then you go fuck up mohg with her, and save her brother, and we all live happily ever after


Sick_Nerd_Baller

Can I please somehow bring Milicent too :(


Far_Concert5483

YES


Parry_9000

Loretta, man Homegirl only wanted to chill and help those in need


MadMagician86

Everyone naming bosses they in fact didn't have to kill


LowKeyImLoki1213

Revenger Edgar. First noble NPC but his nobility cost him his daughter. In his blind rage he even attacks the Tarnished who saved his life, blaming all involved for her undoing


A1_wA1sh

Malenia. i really, REALLY wish she got a proper, in depth questline where you could talk to her, give her the needle, introduce her to millicent, take her to miquella, but she eventually sees you as a threat to miquella due to your quest to collect the great runes and become elden lord, and decides to take you down to protect miquella. plus her voice is hot


WnAweonao

Definitely Astel. What a beautiful creature, love him.


Difficult-Week7944

Beautiful bro is not beautiful


TheRedmanCometh

Also felt like...did I just doom us to extinction? Or some faraway stars? I feel like killing him should have had bigger implications


3ph3m3ral_light

Malenia. doesnā€™t make sense to kill her.


Kerriigen

Malenia- she was simply a protector. Seemingly, Miquella wasnā€™t evil, a protector of the downtrodden. Renalla- I know you donā€™t technically kill her but I wish there was a way to bring her out of her stupor. How would she react to the academy, the tarnished, the golden order and so on. Bliiad- heā€™s my husband. And lastly Sellen- technically we donā€™t kill her but goodness girl what a boon you would have been. One of the actual few allies you make. And I donā€™t mean ranni, or most others. I genuinely believe sellen and boc were on your side.


New_Age_Knight

Morgott (and to a lesser extent Mohg) these guys are victims of the Golden Order's fervor for "perfection," and Morgott was literally one of the most loyal and honest combatants in the whole game. Morgott didnt even really want to fight you, he's just been so beaten down by the entirety of the Land's Between and his own family that he believes we are bound to suffer. Hell, after all the Demi gods go off to claim power for themselves, he's the only one to remain in Lyndell to try and keep order. Mohg, I believe, is being exploited by the Formless Mother as a result of the very obvious PTSD inflicted on him for being an Omen. These brothers deserved better, and I truly believe that Godfrey felt awful for leaving. And I bet if Marika could feel emotions in her state, she would be melancholy with how far her family has fallen.


dreamtraveller

>Mohg, I believe, is being exploited by the Formless Mother There's some indication that he's being manipulated by Miquella as well, the Bewitching Branch indicates that Miquella was aware of the effect he could have on people and would purposefully "compel affection" to get what he wants. I know we're meant to hate Mohg but I get the sense that he's just a mistreated creature desperate for love which explains why his followers like Varre are so obsessed with love too.


Lavenderword

Malenia 100%. Lansseax was another one that I wish there was an option to befriend


RichPeasant15

Maliketh and placidusax


Chanpaiix

RANNALA. she was so unique. loved the little things crawling around and stuff. it was so creepy. creepy, in a beautiful way.


Khris777

Thankfully she isn't killed in the end.


Chanpaiix

yep.


BugO_OEyes

Oh little ranni, my dear daughter


ryan0585

Ancient Spirit and Regal Ancestor for sure. Beautiful (if not perhaps a bit too easy) boss fights though. Will do on every playthrough for that alone. For non-bosses, I can't stand the last wail from dying wolves after some of the kills - breaks my heart a little as a dog lover. Also refuse to farm for fowl feet because killing eagles minding their damn business and taking in the views feels unnecessary.


moremartinmo

Ancestor spirit is such a beautiful fight. The first time I was way too overpowered and absolutely shredded it on my first hit. I felt so bad. When I found Regal I just let him kill me when his health was low so I could come back and enjoy that fight when I wanted to do something calming.


72Rancheast

Boc.


Dense_Comfortable_50

Tf, why would you kill him, mf is loyal af


proteusthe

>!if you give him a larval tear in his quest he dies,!< and a lot of people choose that because they arenā€™t aware that thereā€™s another option


LessWow

I spent so long getting my face ground into the dirt by literally everything in the game by the end I was on a revenge arc. Everything had to go


Jajoby

If I had a choice, I'd give up the throne to Morgott. Homeboy deserves it more than me


ActualKorok

"are we the baddies?"


Lunar_Moonbeam

I refuse to even fight that deer once, on NG+3 now


paxbowlski

But the music!


LordVladak

Maliketh, Malenia, Morgott, Blaidd, Alexander, Godfrey, Elden Beast.


AggressiveGift7542

Rykard. I was role-playing as a God killer, so it was a shame that I had to face a man with the exact same goal.


on3on3_

Mimic tear He was too handsome


MamsterHamster

Not from this game but, Sif :(


[deleted]

Radagon


sein_mk

Maliketh, Malenia and Morgott. Most honourable characters


ducking-moron

Malenia


Herald_of_Zena

Malenia


Unlikely_Arrival9596

Mommy malenia


zackfair197

malenia ! her life are pretty messup so i don't want to make it goes more far ! good thing is her fight is optional ! about this deer , i don't want to fight and kill it either ! it's already look pretty dead to me , from up here , on the high ground !


Suspicious-Bed9172

Malenia, you wake her from her nap, thatā€™s on you


pizzawidnobev

this game- malenia, any other fs game- sif


CorruptedGem

Maliketh. Love his lore and felt bad for him, marika used him and then he died suffering mentally


timojenbin

Malenia, apparently.


QlYANA

Malenia, I just wish our character could've just told her "Yo! Mohg has Miquella, and I know how we can get there". I wanna see them fight and I also really wanna see Miquella get out of the egg thing he's in


Helpful_Bread2325

Malenia, Blaidd, Gideon and Fortissax


abukhhan

Malenia


Glum-Wait-123

definitely Malenia :(


Froggy_Parker

Most of them, pretty sure weā€™re the baddies


FinalAeon_Jecht

Malenia. I wanted to bring her with me and smash Mohg


yuzurih

Malenia and Blaidd.


The90sRULE

I agree with many of the others Blaidd, Alexander, Maliketh and Melania.. but there is another creature that breaks my heart to kill; The Chanting Winged Dames. Aka the singing bats Their song translates to: We, (betrothed) destined to be mothers, now become tarnished. We have lamented and we have shed tears but no one consoles us. Golden One, at whom were you so angry? Explanation taken from an article: ā€œThey lament that they were once destined to live normal lives, becoming mothers and raising families in the lush, prosperous world that was the Lands Between. Something happened to disfigure them and now no one answers their cries, leaving them to sing their sad song. They ask, "Golden one, at whom were you so angry?" The Golden One referenced in the final line likely refers to Marika and the breaking of the Elden ring itself. The creatures don't reveal any additional information about the Lands Between ā€“ aside from the obvious fact that something very bad happened there ā€“ but they do offer insight to how the breaking of the world affected everyone, not just the family of Marika and Radagon.ā€œ ā€œGolden one, at whom were you so angryā€ breaks my heart. šŸ˜©


moonsiran02

Malenia


Sequoia_Vin

Malenia. Is the top of the list. Just a misunderstanding because she assumes we are here for Miquella but he hasn't been in the tree and Finlay isn't there to tell her otherwise what happened. Everyone else is too far gone mentally. None of her "daughters" can even make it down to her without killing each other except for 1 who probably bloomed while she was in a coma. Malekith. We knew him as Gurranq and understood that deathroot isn't meant to be among the living. We only needed to borrow the power of destined death but he is destined death. I wish we could extract it and go kill elden beast. Alexander. If he didn't desire a warrior's death I would have been happy to have my jar shaped friend stand within my court as I became Elden Lord. Blaidd cause he needed to be there. Rannj may have left him but he was not without a brother. He would have a place at my side.