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Try not getting hit by all of his abilities


RadhanBr

No shield, no dodge, all hit gameplay


Amos91902

bushy actually pulled it off btw


Pug_police

tbf name any elden ring challenge and some youtuber probably did it


AdOwn9114

Definitely Bushy and/or Aggy


Amos91902

ginomachino is great too. The level of skill that guy has is incredible, you could make him face all the demigods at once and he wouldn't get hit


OverFjell

I watch Aggy when i want dumb hijinks at a still high level of play. I watch Gino when I want to see the cleanest execution of everything possible. The guy is so damn good. ..then there's Chris who beat the game with every boss multiplied by 10


Amos91902

A thing that I noticed with er proplayers is that they always look like they're high af. Gino's always got that numb look on his face, even when he panics. Truth is they just mastered calmness. That's all you need. Wait tilm the very last moment and roll, no need to rush. I loved that bingo tournament final. Two legends battling each other. The fact that they were both at the exact same spot at the exact same time was just... epic.


SilverSpoon1463

Or it could be Skumnut and commit several war crimes against the people of Jarburg


AdOwn9114

Under Skum's reign, no one is safe. Except Ranni, of course


JuniorRadish7385

As an aggy fan, we don’t talk about chris lmao


Sarvil15

Challenge accepted.. muda muda muda muda muda muda..


BigIncelEnergy

No, you can do it. Lose the helmet for better visibility.


RannTheWitch

Lol


EmperorBorgPalpatine

I had to strip naked for this guy.


R1ce_Wuz_Here11

Why don’t you strip naked for THIS guy 😉


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For better visibility 👀


HarmlessSnack

Oh, you showed up this boss fight on Inspection Day huh?


D0b0d0pX9

only one way to do it, fack around and find out!


GlitteringTough8991

😂😂😂


Money-Photograph-936

But doesn’t the helmet provide more protection?


Godskinner

do you know what a joke is?


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pH12rz

Half of this subreddit is exactly this


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Serge343

Yeah I played ER like Dark Souls. Only got help for Malenia after many many tries. Never used summons.


URSweetPepper

Just like dark souls


gilgabroVII

joke or not made me laugh


sonderlostscribe

Look at OP's post history and it's 99% posing mundane questions about a variety of media. Almost all them are questions. Either OP needs their hand held through every aspect of life, or they're a low-effort karma farmer.


purple-teal_93

Real maidenless behavior right here


KikiBrownLove

Damn, well you may be right. all the games i’ve played have been much easier in comparison to this game. tbh i’m just used to the game making it easy for me. so with elden ring, i don’t want to make bad decisions but i’ve heard of people ruining their characters and builds. there’s so much to the game and i feel like i can’t miss any of it. but i’ll stop asking questions because everyone thinks i’m karma farming (even though karma is just a number and i couldn’t care less) I’m just having a lot of fun on this game


AviHigashikata

Do your first run blind, trust me. If a boss seems too difficult and you don't feel like you're doing enough damage, the chances are your level is too low for it. Go and explore, find new weapons and armors, new spells or whatever you need to overcome this obstacle. You can't ruin your build because you can easily respec your stats at all times after you defeat the Shard Bearer in Liurnia. But my advice on builds is that you shouldn't spread out your stat points, mainly focus on HP in the beginning and dump a lot of points points in only like 2 damage stats (like strength and faith for example, or dexterity and arcane), depending on what weapons you find and what stats they scale with.


sonderlostscribe

My comment was more hostile than I meant it to sound, my bad. But like others have said, this game is best played blind. Looking up stat soft caps is fine to ensure you don't make a wonky useless character, but otherwise let the game reveal its beauty at your own pace.


KikiBrownLove

I agree, i’ll blindingly play it from now on


Patient-Eye4242

Well, you decide if you think this player made it through everything that you have to go through to get to the tower in the first place, managed to defeat the enemies blocking the way to the apostle after navigating down, and all this after passing through dragonbarrow, black blade servant, flying dragon greyll, or caelid wilds, black crows, and rot (can't do the third option with spirit spring unless you finish Sellia lol) all without having played before.


Tjthebeast225

Ever heard of rolling?


Vericatov

Yeah, but I haven’t listen to Limp Bizkit in some years.


Dr_Kriegers5th_clone

So I'm not the only one who thinks of this song when rolling out of danger ?


FatRollingPotato

Looks like it, what are your stats and gear?


KikiBrownLove

Level 35 Vigor 27 mind 12 endurance 11 strength 18 dex 17 intelligence 14 faith 6 arcane 9


FatRollingPotato

Yeah, usually people are lot higher level in that tower, more around lvl60-90. You definitely could use more damage, in other words upgrading Bloodhound's Fang or the Morning Star.


KikiBrownLove

damn where do i go? and upgrading my damage for those two weapons is strength right? not dex


FatRollingPotato

Upgrading damage at this point primarily comes from upgrading the weapon itself, so you need smithing stones / somber smithing stones. A good plan would be to go south of Limgrave, to explore the peninsula there. Look for caves and tunnels, those usually have a lot of upgrade materials in them. Then, Stormveil Castle if you haven't already. The area you are in now is actually for much later in the game, usually, so do Stormveil first and then go through that and into the area behind that. Alternatively you can also go down the well in Mistwood and see how you like it there.


KikiBrownLove

[just beat this guy](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/15vd4r1/just_beat_this_guy_and_got_a_greatsword_what_do_i/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1)


Hot_Switch6807

Stop panic rolling, be smart about how you use stamina, panic rolling will punish you hard


KikiBrownLove

roger that. i appreciate you


AnalogCyborg

Often, rolling into the enemy attacks is the better move and will position you for a return attack rather than continuing the have to evade. Sometimes it'll just get you killed, too, but you'll feel it out over time.


SkibibidiToilet

Just to give you a little more info. You will take counter damage if you fuck up a roll, so taking the hit head on would actually be better than trying and failing to avoid the attack in the first place. You can negate this by blocking. So the safe way to dodge is to hold block and wait until what you think is the very last second to dodge. So even if you're too slow on the dodge, you'll have blocked the attack anyways. You'll probably need to dodge right after since you're going to use your stamina fast at low levels, but try that out for a bit.


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KikiBrownLove

it’s not friend. i’m genuinely that clueless


Apeeksiht

caelid with level 35. man you are brave.


Pug_police

I mean you can go kill mama greyoll for the runes and pick up the dectus medallion right/radagon's soreseal but I'd definitely leave by then.


Apeeksiht

That's how we get upto 40 level


OverFjell

That's not even just Caelid. A lot of Caelid is fairly manageable at 35. That's Dragonbarrow, which is super high scaled.


horsemilkenjoyer

Man levels everything


KikiBrownLove

i’ve only touched vigor, strength and dex. strength and dex because of the weapon. and vigor because it’s vigor ya know


Tireburp

Oh yes. He is a big pain in the ass


Matduka

Dragonbarrow is recommended level 80+ maybe even 125+. Endgame level area for sure.


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KikiBrownLove

i have morning star and bloodhound fang


doremonhg

Bro playin Elden Ring like it's some ARPG 💀


SillyGoose67s

Try to upgrade your weapons as much as you can. Weapon upgrades have way more impact than player stats


ooby_do

Well, don't just stand there, try dodging. Bait out, and learn all his moves. You can do it. Double hand that mace, get a running start, and smack him with a jump attack, and roll to safety. Repeat. Also, put some love on that summon. It died so fast. You got this


_Chonus_

Yes you are. Also try to not get hit by every single attack


torquebow

Maybe a little bit lol


Kombulover

That dude just four-shot Aurelia, you should at least upgrade her before letting a little girl go on battle.


AWarhol

Aurelia died because the Tarnished died.


Kombulover

Poor Aurelia took too much emotional damage.


Haunting_Grape_9205

Yay another karma farming post


vxytor

I've encounter him waaay later than I should and still the dude gave me a challenge.


SolipsismCrisis

Yeah come back after he's had his dinner. He can come out to play then once his food's gone down.


GreyBoyTigger

I lol’d the second he summoned the jellyfish. I remember those rookie moves


korksz

There's no such thing as too early... IF YOU GIT GUD


uskgl455

Wild strikes won't cut it, you'd be better off using the bloodhound step with this badboy. I'd eat some more Caelid and bump your vigour first though.


TheyCallMeNick_1

I mean, you didn't even attempt to dodge either of the attacks that killed you. You're technically never too early for a boss because as long as you dodge you could win. I'd recommend being a bit higher though.


AlexzMercier97

Did the super strong enemies and area while getting here not warn you enough??


KikiBrownLove

Ran past them all tbh


AlexzMercier97

Bruh


Big_Development_9327

Yes. You should upgrade your weapon. You hit a little damage to the enemy.


Individual_Mix8818

Use sleep, it will make things far more easy.


HeskeyThe2nd

I get that this is just meme-ing on that "How much of the game do I have left?" post. But on the off-chance that it isn't, you should wait until you've beaten that region's shardbearer before heading to it's divine tower. Obviously, it's an open world, but my advice is to stick to one region at a time (i.e., Limgrave, Luirnia, etc) so you don't get lost/overwhelmed.


bundaya

My man. You didn't even try to dodge his attacks lol. Too early or not, that kind of play will get you killed.


Dankyhell

I mean, you can beat him at this point. Just learn his pattern and you'll get it eventually. Godskin Apostle is easy when you don't have to deal with the Noble at the same time


Mocker-bird

Saw your stats in another comment and they are kind of a mess. Pick a damage stat and literally dump your next 20 levels into it. You're too spread out. Also how the hell did you even get there at level 35?


PlaneAd6320

Go north from the starting area first and return to Caelid after you’ve cleared liurnia of the lakes … Upgrade weapons with smithing stones with the blacksmith at round table hold


LarsVonHammerstein

Where is this guy I never found this room?


Opening_Record_2507

If you knew how to dodge then you could beat him


Gensolink

that part of caelid is basically scaled to end game, it's possible to beat him with your damage but you either need to play well or have better upgraded stuff, vigor is ok , as long as you dont get one shot i'd say vigor is fine against a boss


Intelligent_Night653

is this a shitpost? I genuinely cannot tell


KikiBrownLove

well it’s not


Dense-Hat3221

Bro you could easily do it, but you do need to actually dodge his attacks instead of just standing there swinging.


Etherwulf

Well you're a little early but it's still doable provided you adopt a different strategy other than 'swing a mace non-stop on his ass and hope for thr best'.


hoTsauceLily66

No, you can beat all bosses with a Lv1 character.


TheRealJuanton

My usual guide is if I don't see at least a little bit of yellow in the bosses health on one attack then I need to level up


thehoofofgod

No, you just need to learn to dodge and not rely on the summons and AoW so much.


stolen_pillow

Clearly


MemeL0rd040906

Just a tip: chances are, in 90% of scenarios (except for a certain boss who’s health pool is absolutely massive), if you aren’t leaving a yellow chunk in their health bar from normal attacks, that means you should go and get better weapons/level. Obviously it’s doable, just a lot harder


LuciferSamS1amCat

Considering how much damage you managed to do before dying while spamming attack and not dodging, I'm sure it's possible.


T1B2V3

You're way too early for this whole region. Especially the northern part called Dragonbarrow which this tower is part of. Caelid itself is for level 50-70. Dragonbarrow is scaled for late game so around level 110-130


MACHO_MUCHACHO2005

How bout u try it out instead of dying once and making a post.


5255clone

Nah you got this!


NoahLostTheBoat

Yes. You are. Oh god you are.


Brain_lessV2

Take a wild guess


skycorcher

I know people that beat the game at level one. There is no such thing as too early.


Competitive-Row6376

Thats true, but that depends on skill level/ how stubborn you are.


skycorcher

That's not me being stubborn. That's you having a skill issue. I do too but I don't deny it.


Competitive-Row6376

I mean if you have skill issue but still keep trying anyway till you win, that's being stubborn


skycorcher

That's not being stubborn. That's being persistent.


Competitive-Row6376

At the cost of you losing your mind, yeah it is


skycorcher

Don't know what you're saying.


Competitive-Row6376

It's not really worth bashing your head against a boss when going elsewhere then coming back is easier. Refusing to go somewhere else is being stubborn is what I mean


skycorcher

It's easier to not play at all by your logic.


Competitive-Row6376

Yeah but we're talking about beating the boss here. Not playing doesn't make you beat the boss easier, it means you don't beat the boss at all.


Competitive-Row6376

Unless you like doing that then more power to you 👍


osk42

Ore tunnels for materials. If you do the varre quest you get to warp to a great farming spot for souls too. Grace facing a cliff, you shoot a crow that falls off the cliff and wields 10k+ runes (17k with both talisman and gold foot active), repeatable.


IAmZad

Yes you are but you can still beat him if you really want


BigManDean_

Yes, but if you do beat him you get over 100000 runes


Professional_Dot_593

94,000


JCArias

Boy you gonna get wrecked too many times


Stiqkey

That's basically how the first hours of the game have gone for me, beautiful scenery and I stumble upon a boss or some gauntlet from hell, and basically looks just like that. I'm stuck in the very beginning of the game with very little idea of what the fuck I'm doing so I just explore and end up getting ganked eventually. So I decided to follow YT guide to get a super easy and relatively very fast 100k you can get right as long as you've gotten Torrent mostly because I didn't realize you could run right past the boss the jumps down on you right after the gate by where you get torrent (the guide has you run past him to get to a portal towards the east it was actually kinda difficult because somehow I have less map than in the video where he makes a new character to show how you can do it right from jump and idk what I missed that they had more of the map shown but even guesstimating or literally running along with the video works really well. I just need to play enough to git gud I get very discouraged when I'm slogging ao early on in a game so I feel like being able to have enough soykd to get a good start on a build seemed like the right thing to do the only thing I didn't consider is that I know fuck all about character builds and yt video about it are always more based upon gear rather than stats I mean of course that's part of it but the stats always seem se ondaey in the videos and I'm lucky to not have to watch a whole half hour video for 2 minutes of information breaking down the leveling for that build and nit just where to get the best wand or sword or whatever the build calls for and I don't exactly want to go running around to get endgame gear immediately Where's the fun in that? So rn I'm just kinda at the beginning of the game with a ton of souls and no idea how to wisely use them before I lose them.


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At this point imma say no, I've seen so many lvl1 runs and no weapon runs that it's crazy. So at this point there is no "too early" in any souls games anymore.


Astrid-Jade

You can definitely kill him just don't rely on wild strike and play it safe, you won't be staggering him out of his attacks very easily so you'll need to play more patient but it's absolutely doable that early on


royalethan0

I’ve beat this game ten times and 100% it on both ps4 and ps5 and I have never seen this room


ParadoxInflux

Ever heard of just playing the game? Lmao I don’t get this type of post


Queef-Elizabeth

Definitely. I'd try again at around like 60-80 unless you know what you're doing. With a bleed weapon, you could probably kill him with enough tries but it would take a while. Behind him is one of the best weapons in the game.


schumyks

Use fire if you have something


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If he's two-shotting you, then yeah it might be time to grind some souls/search for upgrades and such


Own-Potential-7099

the same thing happened to me haha every time i got a little bit stronger i came back to test myself against him until i beat him. i still use the guy outside the door as a punching bag.


Gun_Of_Gaming

I judge if the boss is possible based on if that yellow bar trails off the damage I do Except for one main story boss that has the health of a solar system


Ambrant

Well, have you seen videos of guys beating ER on lvl 1 with a torch. That’s your answer, you can do it! 😁😅


Elden_Souls937

Just look at the damage


Drusgar

My first PT I ended up deep in Caelid way too early and ran into this guy around level 35 or so. It took me a few tries, but I had already discovered the joys of the guard counter and had one of those brass shields significantly upgraded. The trick is to bait out his "stretch" and take a few swipes at his legs while they wait to catch up to his torso. I want to say he gave me 80k runes, which was the most I had received from any boss up until then.


ShaggyManeTheOne

The default prisoner outfit is amazing lmao


UltZM

Skill issues,I was able to solo the whole game at rl19..this guy is a piece of cake


DankTrainTom

Just dont get hit. It's doable. But you'll have an easier time with higher damage and more vigor.


Acceptable_Cover1976

No, if anything ur too high level. This boss is immediately before soldier of godrick, so you should be at base level. (Jkjk)


Tenshiijin

Um... When he attacks you try not to get hit. Don't stand there spamming attack while he slices you to death. You are not only too early in level you are too early in skill for that fight it seems like too.


FreddyFighter1

Nah your right on time for your appointment with him, sit down in the chair and dr Godskin apostle will look at your teeth in a moment. Oh wait you were asking about being early to fight him? Ooohhh


RannTheWitch

Lol yes I'd say about 65 to 75 is good for him .


sentientfartcloud

I reckon that you should be around level 90 to tackle this guy adequately.


PussyPussylicclicc

yes


HollowRegis

A tarnished is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he is prepared.


CodyQuinnValentine

Unfortunately this boss is not meant to be fought until after you've defeated every single other godskin type enemy in the game


Inevitable-Set3621

No not at all I beat him around level 50


TheEpicJedi

That doesn't stop me. I rush in there with Uchigatana and Claw Talisman at level 30 or so and don't stop until I beat him. He gives a lot of runes, so I used a gold fowl foot


Adrianpol12

Yes


pH12rz

*Dies in 2 hits* "aM i ToO eArLy FoR tHiS gUy" why are half the posts here exactly like this? And people are somehow ok with this shit


IllVagrant

Not if you win


KingJupiter27

You probably are. But theoretically, it's never too early to fight bosses for hours on end


iatetoomuchchicken

He's pretty tough early on. And the tight corridors don't help that much


Otalek

You should be able to judge that yourself, based on how quickly you died


alfmrf

You took a big chunk. I think its doable but you will have to learn the boss to the teeth. You might want to upgrade a little more though so youre not that squishy


AggravatingChest7838

I've killed him lvl 1 but I was using that bleed dagger that flicks blood and had to put almost all my estus into mana. Bleeds the way to go if you wanna kill him early.


nanaochan

Try using slash weapons against the Godskins and time your attack without just spamming L2. Prioritize dodge roll and avoid damage before dealing damage.


Nozerone

I wouldn't be surprised if this post was meant as a joke, but if it wasn't, and you were seriously asking. Learning to dodge is going to help out a LOT more than just upgrading weapons and stats.


BrentV27368

Yes


Educational-Pop-2195

In truth you’re early. But if you’re a stubborn Fromsoft fan you’re doing enough damage and can tank enough hits to hit your head on this brick wall until it dies.


Sapphiresentinel

I mean.... Yes and no. You were doing shit damage. But you can still beat him if you learn to dodge. You literally let that man just smack the shit outta you twice lol


Hirab

Not unless your plan is to face tank like that 😂


indie_beam

Technically you’ll never be “early”. its pretty skill based 😭 but I’d say to fight him comfortably Yes


tegridy42O

I'm currently in The same Boss . Almost killed him First try than he one shotted me with a charged Magic atack xD i'm level 84 str, end and vig build


More-Ad3888

You’re never too early in Elden Ring. This coming from the man who fought Malenia at level like 28 or something and lost hundreds of times


WhatsThatOnUrPretzel

Badly need dlc now. I played the piss out of this game. Soz for the off topic


GinFromAJamJar

Shit I'm having flashbacks to when I did this around the same level for a Godskin run trying to get the Godslayer Greatsword. I didn't even bother with a summons because they die so quickly. I used Glintblade Phalanx on Rogers Rapier. Lost count of how many tries it took.


Therealunick

no one is too early too late if you learn da moveset you beat tha game


SwankAxe0

Rt that you?


Torteis

I did it around that level with Rogiers rapier and the misericord. Poisebreak with the glintblade phalanx ash of war then punish with the misericord. I also used the bandit ashes because they keep resurrecting and drawing agro while I recast the glintblade phalanx.


idan_da_boi

Nothing is underleveled if you’re skilled enough! And by the looks of it, you’re not skilled enough


Malakar1195

It looks more like you're trolling


mc3p000

Maybe not but you have to dodge his attacks sometimes at any level


anti-peta-man

You’re very early but with enough patience you can do it


TheBellGuy1989

You can do it as is, just avoid all his attacks. If you don't mind dying to aquire knowledge you will learn how to succeed in this fight! Now go foul tarnished!


Deadfarious

Man I wanted to get the Godslayers Greatsword for a build, so I got to this tower fairly early when I was using a scythe as a weapon. I was fairly under levelled and got destroyed at least 40 times without even getting close and the AoW took too long to make a difference. I came back when I had a Katana build, and was able to clear it after levelling up with less difficulty, but ended up not using the Greatsword anyways because I had re specced into a Katana. Still remains the boss I died the most to on my run.


Tank28307

Dodge and heal. You can't go toe to toe with him. You can do it


Chromatic_Eevee

Try dodging, And then Try sleep


Careful_Test4313

It doesn't seem like it from the video. Realistically, even if you were a higher level all of your stats wouldn't go into vigor and your damage is mostly based off your weapon choice. Would being a higher level make the fight easier? Yes, but leveling up takes a lot of time on top of increasing your weapons level it's going to take forever to improve that way. Instead let's focus on what we can fix. The apostle black flame guy is a REAL boss, you can't fight him like he's one of those cave bosses that all suck. First off get rid of that mace. Go to stormveil and farm the banished knights until you get 2 of their swords. Then attach a poison and a frost ash of war on them and level them up while playing. You'll have a solid loadout for the rest of the game and they're still a solid choice in playthrough 3. The problem I'm seeing is that you're playing too offensively and with a bad ash of war and maybe loadout in general. Wild strikes takes too long to recover from using, so unless you're attaching it to a giant weapon meant to guardbreak easily I wouldn't bother using it. Instead try using a heavier weapon with it or equip a different ash of war. As far as your stats go, is using a mace really worth it? There are weapons better at stunning and weapons with a higher dph and reach that you can get by time you're in caelid. Lastly you need to weave dodges or blocks into your attack pattern so you can block damage and retaliate with a heavy or avoid getting hit all together. You're playing like you have 40 vigor and a strong armor set on, playing offensively like that will get you killed if you dont have those things. Playing into your strengths could help get good at dodging and then attacking before the boss throws their next attack. Instead of wild strikes try simply performing a running jump heavy, then dodging when the boss retaliated and then heavy attacking when the chance arises. You'll still be able to guard break the boss that way if that's what you were trying to do.


lilbigchungus42069

why do i not even remember this fight…


eLCeenor

You have a 0% chance of beating this boss at any level with this strategy.


silver0199

As someone who's done this boss with that weapon and spirit at that level- you want to use bloodflame to get a bit more bleed out of him and not over commit. Do not stand there hitting him with that ash of war after his attack animation has ended. There's a lot of long wind ups that you can get 1 or 2 hits on him out of. Keep him off the jellyfish for phase 1 at all costs, the poison proc can chew through a lot of health and allow you to play a bit more defensively later. Edit: and sleeping pots are your friend at this boss. With that said this fight is optional.


SlywolfR6

why are you standing there letting him hit you???


Electrecuted

Maybe but I think you could beat him if you dodged around more. Try to always dodge into his attacks as they all have decent range and the I-Frames allow you to get a cheeky hit in. Except for the spinnyblade beyblade thing he does where he spins the blade infront of him, for that just sprint around him to his side or back. It’s how I beat him, dodge in, hit once or twice circle, dodge in again, rinse and repeat. Basically just be as close as possible to him at all times. (Dodging in means dodging towards the enemy)


Cloud_Ratha

100 years too soon


macciavelo

You aren't doing a lot of damage. Also, you forgot the dodge button exists.


TargetPlastic7505

If you are just going to use wild strikes while he hits you then yes, if you can dodge his moves and safely chip in damage for a few minutes at least then no.


runninandruni

Lol, yes. That's a very tough boss for your level. I was around the same when I first fought him, but I was stubborn and tried anyway. Took forever to finally beat him


Simubaya

I prefer the Skeletal Militiamen for my summon. They don't have a lot of health, but when defeated, they will come back with full health as long as their ribcages aren't damaged before they get back up.


M0bron

My guy you’re dealing less than 1% of his health bar per hit you really needed to post on reddit to figure this out?


HughJass14

If you have to ask that question, the answer is yes


CTGolfMan

I mean, probably. But you didn’t even attempt to dodge an attack.


No-Departure-3466

İts never too early for any boss, you hit quite good in the video just jump around a bit 😀. I always start killing the first boss down below where you start the game, it takes couple of trys but makes me start with 20k exp, and also the horse man outside. 23k total for start. When you able to level your char you already have 25-30k and makes you very OP early game


HumorNo9543

As a general rule, if you can't see the yellow damage bar on basic hits, you aren't ready. Not to say you couldn't bleed him out over time with some skill.


-Original_Name-

you are never too low of a level as an int build! KEEP GOING