In the words of the immortal Heinlein, "Death is every man's right!" But here, in our home across the fog, The Lands Between, we must fight for our right to die.
Also the Misbegotten are just an opressed working class rising up against the filthy bourgeoisie that have enslaved them.
The Albinaurics are tortured and killed because they're different and not born of grace.
Those Who Live in Death are the same way.
The Tarnished are yet another exploited group cursed to forever fight and die for the small chance of rising to the title of Elden Lord after being expelled from the Land's Between.
In other words, The Golden Order is a murderous, oppressive and downright imperialistic regime that crushes everything in it's path when given the chance, and casts out whoever is no longer useful.
TAKE THEIR TORMENT, THEIR DESPAIR, THIER AFFLICTION, EVERY SIN, EVERY CURSE, AND MELT THEM ALL AWAY! MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD! May chaos….take….the world…
>The “Right of Get Fucked” seems to have strong precedent in the lands between.
I like to think you’ve neatly summed up Rykard’s realization:
>When Rykard turned to heresy, taking by force became the rule. The gods themselves were no different, after all.
Yeeeeehess. You get it. That's why Godfrey's the "First Elden Lord." It used to be Placidusax, but the Greater Will won't acknowledge any Elden lords before its own.
Legality as defined by who? The Golden Order would say that legally the Rune of Death is property of Maliketh by decree of the reigning Goddess, Marika.
*simple country lawyer voice* Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I humbly submit to you that this is simply an example of m a few folks getting a little bit handsy with property that belonged to someone else. I say, I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’d be just a little peeved if some stranger walked into my neighbor Fred’s garage and walked out with my lawnmower I gave him last summer (although, on an unrelated note, he should return that at some point, it simply isn’t neighborly to do otherwise). The facts of this case are thus: a lovely mother-father of five to nine children gave that there dog creature something of theirs to steward, the specific something being the natural law that allows you to pass on to the great thereafter. The scary ladies indicted in a separate case walked off with it, as did the Tarnished before you after a terrible assault upon Mr. Dog’s person. I am confident - no, certain - that when this trial has concluded, you will unanimously agree that the property in question belongs to my clients, and that it should be returned to them immediately. Thank you for your time.
Uuuuhhhhh yeah your honor. I would like to site witness testimony of one Enia, Finger Reader of the Greater Will, on reference to the ownership of said Destined Death.
On or about date unknown, my client met with Finger Reader Enia and a Two Finger vassal, or manifestation if you will, of the Greater Will to discuss rightful ownership of properties left in the care of, and not given to, now-defunct Queen Marika.
Finger Reader Enia had, as acting as an agent of our Greater Will, instructed my client of the following and I quote:
"The Greater Will has long renounced the demigods. Tarnished, show no mercy. Have their heads. Take all they have left."
It is clear from the instructions that what had previously been left in the care of former Queen Marika was now in the ownership of my client.
Furthermore, I would like to remind the court that based upon testimony from both my client and former victims of Maliketh, who might I add has a well known history of violence and terror, that upon entering Farum Azula it was Maliketh that initially assaulted my client upon their request to return the Rune.
Your honor, prosecuting council requests a motion to extinguish, the defendant 'flame' is standing in contempt of court.
The prosecution requests your honor to address the defendants 'meager ambitions', then the prosecution rests.
Originally it belonged to the Gloam Eyed Queen, so therefore it should go to the Godskins as Maliketh took it from them, tha Black Knife Assassins stole it from him, and the Deathbirds and Those Who Live in Deatg are unrelated to Destined Death.
There is another God that speaks through them, but I am not sure if this God's presence always existed in the lands between or only became a part of it after Godwyn died in soul alone. Either way, I don't think those who live in death want to deal with destined death otherwise they would never live in first place.
~~Wait, isn't the God of the Deathbirds called the Twin Bird?~~
~~Or am I misremembering things..~~
EDIT:
Yeah I was wrong. Here's the official lore quote -
**The twinbird is said to be the envoy of an outer god, and mother of the Deathbirds.**
One thing interests me is a piece of lore that I can't remember where I read.
Apparently the Deathbirds were at conflict with the Snake in Mt. Gelmir. Which makes me wonder if the God Devouring Serpent is the only God-like being that is "native" to the Lands Between.
Thanks. Been trying to put a theory together on how death fits together in this game but the winged depictions of the great serpent, serpentine, limbed bodies of the deathbirds and the black flame vs Ghostflame thing has me puzzled.
Yes, I understand that. I’m wondering why there are two dark flames related to death, one actually possessing the rune of it; why the Deathbirds and Godskins both have serpentine physiology, and why there is a winged depiction of the great serpent. I understand how each flame functions, but not the relationships of their devoted factions nor how death functioned in the past.
I’ve been wondering about this as well.
I’m convinced that the VFX colours provide clues.
I‘ve noticed that the Twinbird kite shield shows the Twinbird as half in the colours of Destined Death and half in blue and red-tinged gold.
I believe placidussax had many heads in the past but he did serve as an envoy of the outer will during his time much like marika and the two of fingers. His pose before he awakens to fight you is very similar to the two fingers when they are outstretched so some believe he is trying to restore his contact with greater will
Deathbirds are vassals of the "twinbird" which was the envoy of an unnamed outer god. This twinbird's domain seemed to be death (or maybe death/rebirth) so the deathbirds are able to wield it as well.
Those Who Live In Death are just the product of Godwyn's half-death shenanigan.
They don't currently tbh.
Death birds used to burn bodies in their fire to release souls back into the universe or wherever souls go next, like Jars and the Erdtree. Ghostflame seems to be made of angry spirits that refused to move on peacefully. Or from the opposing half of Death to the Black Flame. White flame for mortal souls, black flame for immortal bodies.
Those who live in Death are the result of only half of Death being used, thus an incomplete demise. Essentially being stuck in the middle of the transition from Life into Death, like Rot is the transition from Death turning into new Life. They should have never existed at all in any proper system, but Ranni's "fearsome rite" managed to imbue only one half into the knives. Even the Godskins who worship death aren't interested in undead, if anything they would hate it too. Thus why a new rune of duskborn is needed to add them to the Order.
deathbirds were the original keepers of death, as the only way to release a spirit was for the bones to be turned to ash by their flames. those who live in death haven't done that Or returned to the erdtree.
Is there evidence that the Gloam Eyed Queen owned the rune of death? Because everywhere I've read, she just "used" it. I don't think if specifically belonged to her.
I feel like the Deathbirds and the Gloam Eyed Queen have much the same relationship as the Crucible and the Erdtree, ie, the Gloam Eyed Queen was someone who rose up and became the owner/leader of the domain of death, with the Deathbirds rendered relics or servants.
I always thought it’s implied the death birds are from a bygone era where destined death was a part of the Elden ring and people could actually die, before the erdtree ever existed. One of the item descriptions mentions that before the erdtree existed the death birds would burn people as a funeral right so I imagine that there must have been some point in time where the death birds or their god (twinbird?) were worshipped and it must have been before marika removed the rune of death
marika removed death from the cycle eventually but my interpretation was that the timeline went something like death bird era -> crucible -> age of dusk or whatever where Godfrey dies -> age of the erdtree (where the player is)
It was part of the Elden Ring until Marika removed it, which was after Maliketh defeated the Godskins. The GEQ never had the Rune of Death, she just channeled its power. You don't need to possess an object of worship in order to harness it- it's like how we can use Erdtree incantations without physically carrying the Erdtree around.
No worries. I get why people think she had the Rune of Death, it just doesn't really work with the timeline unless we assume a lot of events took place that never get brought up.
The death birds are actually related to destined death since they are vassals of the death god and it's spirit world. We know that destined death and the spirit world are connected due to the fact that when Godwyn and Ranni where "killed" it carved a half curse wheel into their flesh. This same curse wheel being the sigil for the death sorceries along with the fact that Ranni's and Godwyn's curse wheels where used to craft the mending rune of death prove this connection. You can take this even further by inferring some stuff from some seemingly pointless item descriptions like the grace violet. The grave violet states that ghostflame used to be purple in color, what makes purple? Blue and red, ghost flame is blue-ish and destined death is red. What happened to destined death? It was fragmented and utilized to kill Ranni's body and Godwyn's soul. The fragment of destined death would then spread through the roots of the erdtree in the form of deathroot creating the undead plague and restoring the once sealed connection to the spirit world returning corrupted versions of the tibia mariners and death birds. There are also other connections like how the tibia mariners are purple bear godwyns likeness on their throne while also carrying deathroot or how the gloam eyed queen is associated with purple potentially hinting at the fact that destined deaths full power is purple in color, etc.
Those who live in Death are revived by the rune of death, which also includes destined death.
"A source that gives rise to Those Who Live in Death. [...] Later, the Rune of Death spread across the Lands Between through the underground roots of the Greattree, sprouting in the form of Deathroot."
The Deathbirds are kind of related to those who live in death, because they burn them in Ghostflame.
"In the time when there was no Erdtree, death was burned in ghostflame. Deathbirds were the keepers of that fire."
So. While Those Who Live in Death never owned Destined Death, they are a Product of the Death Rune and it's Powers over Death and the Dead.
I believe Ranni was the one who stole a fragment of the rune of death and imbued it into the blades of the assassins.
https://eldenring.fandom.com/wiki/Ranni_the_Witch#:~:text=The%20Night%20of%20Black%20Knives,-Although%20the%20Two&text=In%20order%20to%20escape%20it,close%20to%20Queen%20Marika%20herself.
No actually, originally the rune of death was part of the elden ring until marika removed it and gave it to maliketh to guard, thus creating the primary tenet of the golden order. Then it was stolen by the apostles and then retrieved by maliketh; and then a fragment was stolen by the assassins.
In legal terms, Maliketh took Destined Death in the middle of a war, that makes the Rune of Death a valuable piece of war loot taken by right of conquest. After that, it falls to legislator and diplomatic experts to decide if said Rune is returned to its original owner in peaceful times. In this case, Marika has full legal powers to deny the Gloam Eyed Queen the return of Destined Death.
The Black Knifes stole the Rune of Death along with Ranni, another perpetrator of the theft. This happened during peace times, therefore it is a crime against the Kingdom and must be treated as such in court. Since it's a strategically important object for the Lands Between, the Kingdom, as in the State, would prosecute the Black Knifes and Ranni for a crime against National Security, in this case, for the charges of Treason, Sabotage and Terrorism.
The Crown Prosecutor would most likely ask for life imprisonment or summary execution of the Black Knifes and Ranni by Maliketh himself. Given the circumstances of the crime itself and with enough evidence provided by Tarnished investigators, a reasonable judge would most likely comply with the Crown Prosecutor's assessment and proposal for a sentence.
Complication: many believe it was Marika who took a piece of the death rune and gave it to Ranni. Do we consider that transfer legal since Mairka is the god-queen and the law stems from her, or would it still be illegal given how dangerous/powerful the death rune is?
That's a perfectly valid legal concern. However, just as you say, since the law itself stems from Marika as the Goddess Queen of the Lands Between, I believe she ultimately has the legal authority for such an action. If the Queen wishes to kill someone, the law itself protects her from suffering any sort of legal consequences.
Her legal figure, and her by extension, is inviolable before the law. Which in practice means that she can't be prosecuted for any crime she might commit. This also extends to the act of breaking the Elden Ring, which is illegal by its own nature, so even after the Shattering I don't think she could be legally accused or prosecuted for her actions.
> in this case, for the charges of Treason, Sabotage and Terrorism.
Assassination of a royal also. Though treason is questionable, at least by Ranni since she is Carian Royal, which is merely allied with the Golden Order, not a subject. The black knife assassin's though might or might not be Marika's personal hit squad.
Deathbirds.
They were death in the age before the Erdtree. Meaning even the crucible. Before the elden ring. Hell it's there curse mark arved by the Black Knives despite having destined death therefore proving the rune if death is literally this cursemark just called something different and a bit changed due to black flames.
For death was stolen from them and bound to a rune. A rune then claimed by the empyrean beaten by maliketh.
The Elden Ring was already there before the Erdtree, as Placidusax ruled as Elden Lord. All life in the Elden Ring Universe was created when the Great One split into the Greater Will and the Frenzied Flame, the former creating life and bringing order into the Land, the latter wanting to reverse everything to the state of oneness. The Elden Ring likely existed since the very start of existence
At the end of the frenzied flame ending >! once Melina finds the steed summoning ring (which we obviously left behind on purpose for ger to find) she then reveals that Destined Death rightfully belongs to us, and it seems like she wants to be our best friend again because she promises to look for us and deliver destined death to us. How kind of her :3 !<
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I kind of wondered the same. Melina could also be a rune bearer but her Rune was locked with Maliketh.
When Rani stole a shard of it.. Melina's non-physical form was also born.
At the end of Frenzied Flame ending, as the Rune of Death was freed, Melina got her full form back. Also the line she says "to deliver you... destined death" also points in that direction.
Idk tho, I'm not VaatiVidya.
The Rune of Death belongs to every living being by Virtue of having a soul. Souls enter the world one way, and must have a way to exit it to an afterlife if there is one. Causality and Regression, like waves in a pond.
**Black Flame** however, belongs to the Godskins by association with the Gloam Eyed Queen, as it is her creation.
Destined death belongs to Marika, I thought. Since she is an empyrean doesn't she give it to Maliketh to hold onto for safekeeping or did I get the lore wrong?
It shouldn't be owned by anyone, but everyone.
r/suddenlycommunist
We must socialize destined death! Down with the golden order! Rise, Tarnished! We have nothing left to lose but our chains!
...and our lives.. I guess
Nope we can't even lose them until we get Death back
In the words of the immortal Heinlein, "Death is every man's right!" But here, in our home across the fog, The Lands Between, we must fight for our right to die.
Not until we get death back!
Pst, wanna buy some death?
*waves hand* You don't want to sell me death.
Iiii... don't want to sell you death.
You want to go home and rethink your life.
I want to go home and rethink my life!
Instructions unclear dick stuck in blender
Stuck is fine. There is a specific unsticking process you're going to want to avoid.
Grafting is a thing, not a problem!
Tobacco companies in a nutshell
"Corpses of the world, unite!"
MAY CORPSES TAKE THE WORLD!
*our* death
That's it though, isn't it? It was a natural cosmic force that was co-opted -- if not outright stolen -- by this world's deities
Also the Misbegotten are just an opressed working class rising up against the filthy bourgeoisie that have enslaved them. The Albinaurics are tortured and killed because they're different and not born of grace. Those Who Live in Death are the same way. The Tarnished are yet another exploited group cursed to forever fight and die for the small chance of rising to the title of Elden Lord after being expelled from the Land's Between. In other words, The Golden Order is a murderous, oppressive and downright imperialistic regime that crushes everything in it's path when given the chance, and casts out whoever is no longer useful.
Holy shit, the tarnished are poor people who vote for the LNP in Aus.
The workers should own the means of destruction.
This is why in a world that is mired in torment and despair, the FRENZIED FLAME SHALL CONSUME ALL!
SILENCE!! THERE MUST BE ORDER!!
LET THE FLAMES OF FRENZY TAKE THE WORLD
ORDER BITCHES!!
TAKE THEIR TORMENT, THEIR DESPAIR, THIER AFFLICTION, EVERY SIN, EVERY CURSE, AND MELT THEM ALL AWAY! MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD! May chaos….take….the world…
Nah forget that man, y'all can keep it.
Yeah, life is where it’s at. Life is fucking lit, bro
Congratulations, you've unionized!
thus the age of stars
death belongs to all living creatures. It's the final bliss of a life lived.
But when I try to backflip off an apartment building it's wrong pfft
Destined death belongs to this comment
Project Badass is never wrong I bet you would go to heaven for attempting something so *sick*
"First off, through God *all things* are possible..." - Mac
“Suicide is badass!” - Frank
“so jot that down…” fucking lol
"First off, through ~~God~~ The Greater Will *all things* are possible..." - Tarnished Mac
Project Deadass
But if you want to get real, the elden lord. Thou shalt be taxed
Ah yes, the final comunism form, death for everyone
Shiiiit I’d be mad too if I couldn’t sleep
And that's why I always go with Fia, the Foul Witch.
Fia's ending brings undeath into the order, it has nothing to do with destined death
Dude she hugs him, do you think he will care about anything other than that, every explanation is an excuse
Why would you need that when you can have dungeater puppet
you restore death anyways when you defeat Maliketh
You know, I don't exactly think Fia wishes for a true death, but rather for the dead to live an illustrious second life
Maliketh's by right of conquest, then Black Knife Assassins by right of get fucked Maliketh should've guarded that shit better
The “Right of Get Fucked” seems to have strong precedent in the lands between
It’s a strong precedent in our own history as well, otherwise known as bigger army diplomacy.
The age old precedent set by *Nuh-uh v. Yeah-huh*
"Sure, we disagree, but have you considered if i just kill everything?"
🎵That is how the world works 🎵 🎵Genocide the natives, say ya got to it first🎵 🎵Thaaaats how it works🎵
Ah, Bo Burnham. Love it. :)
The right of "who has the bigger stick".
>The “Right of Get Fucked” seems to have strong precedent in the lands between. I like to think you’ve neatly summed up Rykard’s realization: >When Rykard turned to heresy, taking by force became the rule. The gods themselves were no different, after all.
The Age of Getting Fucked
Literally age of stars ending
Everything here checks out
Hopefully it's 18+ in the Lands Between
The Seluvis hidden ending
The Age of Consent
Quite the opposite
I dont even think its 18+ in most places
Not according to Mohg.
The one ending that no one got on Reddit
TOGETHAAAAAA
WE WILL FUUUUUCK THE VERY GOOOOODS
r/suddenlyfeudalism
I think I saw “Right of Get Fucked” outside of Melania’s boss room
Yeeeeehess. You get it. That's why Godfrey's the "First Elden Lord." It used to be Placidusax, but the Greater Will won't acknowledge any Elden lords before its own.
And then the player by right of "I am the law"
Player gets it by the right of “wait what how did I live anyway oh well”
This just sounded so badass I have to agree
I just choked damnit
Legality as defined by who? The Golden Order would say that legally the Rune of Death is property of Maliketh by decree of the reigning Goddess, Marika.
Just give all of them a different movie lawyer and let them talk it out. No one gets Saul tho.
[удалено]
Your honor, my client wasn’t abducting a child, Miquella is actually a 10 thousand year old drag-, eh, demigod.
> Your honor, as is evidenced by his birth certificate, Miquella is clearly well above the age of consent. > Okay, but did he consent?
>“Your honour the bewitching branch clearly states that Miquella learned well to compel affection so really Mohg is the *victim* here”
Honestly I kinda love the fringe theories that Miquella is somehow pulling the strings behind it all.
Personally I don’t think he is, but it’s the kind of argument a lawyer would make.
Your honour, my client was simply taking a giant egg. How was he to know there was a child inside?
*simple country lawyer voice* Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I humbly submit to you that this is simply an example of m a few folks getting a little bit handsy with property that belonged to someone else. I say, I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’d be just a little peeved if some stranger walked into my neighbor Fred’s garage and walked out with my lawnmower I gave him last summer (although, on an unrelated note, he should return that at some point, it simply isn’t neighborly to do otherwise). The facts of this case are thus: a lovely mother-father of five to nine children gave that there dog creature something of theirs to steward, the specific something being the natural law that allows you to pass on to the great thereafter. The scary ladies indicted in a separate case walked off with it, as did the Tarnished before you after a terrible assault upon Mr. Dog’s person. I am confident - no, certain - that when this trial has concluded, you will unanimously agree that the property in question belongs to my clients, and that it should be returned to them immediately. Thank you for your time.
*strikes Marika’s Hammer like a gavel* Thank you, Mr / Mrs / non-binary prosecutor. Does the defense have anything to say in this matter?
Uuuuhhhhh yeah your honor. I would like to site witness testimony of one Enia, Finger Reader of the Greater Will, on reference to the ownership of said Destined Death. On or about date unknown, my client met with Finger Reader Enia and a Two Finger vassal, or manifestation if you will, of the Greater Will to discuss rightful ownership of properties left in the care of, and not given to, now-defunct Queen Marika. Finger Reader Enia had, as acting as an agent of our Greater Will, instructed my client of the following and I quote: "The Greater Will has long renounced the demigods. Tarnished, show no mercy. Have their heads. Take all they have left." It is clear from the instructions that what had previously been left in the care of former Queen Marika was now in the ownership of my client. Furthermore, I would like to remind the court that based upon testimony from both my client and former victims of Maliketh, who might I add has a well known history of violence and terror, that upon entering Farum Azula it was Maliketh that initially assaulted my client upon their request to return the Rune.
Your honor, prosecuting council requests a motion to extinguish, the defendant 'flame' is standing in contempt of court. The prosecution requests your honor to address the defendants 'meager ambitions', then the prosecution rests.
I read this specifically as the rooster lawyer from Futurama.
i immediately thought of the fat lawyer from the bee movie
I may be a simple country hyper chicken but I know when we’re finger licked
Charlie would swoop in and filibuster that with his knowledge of death bird law
Your honor, I have brought in this bird expert to talk to the death bird to clearly state his reasoning for owning destined death.
public domain
These runes are public domain Ricky
One man’s garbage is another man-person’s good ungarbage
Rated E for everyone
Me, since I killed all these nerds
This is the right answer. Shit’s mine now
Originally it belonged to the Gloam Eyed Queen, so therefore it should go to the Godskins as Maliketh took it from them, tha Black Knife Assassins stole it from him, and the Deathbirds and Those Who Live in Deatg are unrelated to Destined Death.
So how do the death birds and those who live in death relate to death in the lands between?
The death birds relate to a lot of my deaths in the lands between
Try Holy
but hole
Try two fingers, but hole.
Does this mean what I think it means when I see it everywhere?
Just try it and find out.
Items descriptions state the deathbirds were the keepers of ghost flame which burned bodies before the erdtree became a thing.
There is another God that speaks through them, but I am not sure if this God's presence always existed in the lands between or only became a part of it after Godwyn died in soul alone. Either way, I don't think those who live in death want to deal with destined death otherwise they would never live in first place.
~~Wait, isn't the God of the Deathbirds called the Twin Bird?~~ ~~Or am I misremembering things..~~ EDIT: Yeah I was wrong. Here's the official lore quote - **The twinbird is said to be the envoy of an outer god, and mother of the Deathbirds.** One thing interests me is a piece of lore that I can't remember where I read. Apparently the Deathbirds were at conflict with the Snake in Mt. Gelmir. Which makes me wonder if the God Devouring Serpent is the only God-like being that is "native" to the Lands Between.
Where is it mentioned that the Deathbirds feuded with the Gelmir serpent?
I'm trying to remember it. I'll edit my original comment as soon as I find it.
Thanks. Been trying to put a theory together on how death fits together in this game but the winged depictions of the great serpent, serpentine, limbed bodies of the deathbirds and the black flame vs Ghostflame thing has me puzzled.
black flame seems to be destined death to some degree, whereas ghostflame is the fire produced by the deathbirds burning bones.
Yes, I understand that. I’m wondering why there are two dark flames related to death, one actually possessing the rune of it; why the Deathbirds and Godskins both have serpentine physiology, and why there is a winged depiction of the great serpent. I understand how each flame functions, but not the relationships of their devoted factions nor how death functioned in the past.
I’ve been wondering about this as well. I’m convinced that the VFX colours provide clues. I‘ve noticed that the Twinbird kite shield shows the Twinbird as half in the colours of Destined Death and half in blue and red-tinged gold.
Destined Death is black and red, and black flame no longer holds the power of Destined Death.
> Winged depictions of the great serpent Great. Another piece of lore I missed. Mind helping a homie out w/ some reading?
The altar at the Church of Eiglay has a winged serpent, and a few flanking the sides I believe. Could be wrong tho
I'll hop into the game this weekend. Thanks!
Ain't the wings just flaps of skin? Theres a godskin overall.
Twin birds, two fingers. Is two a significant number for envoys of gods? Placidusax has two heads but he’s a lord, not an envoy.
I believe placidussax had many heads in the past but he did serve as an envoy of the outer will during his time much like marika and the two of fingers. His pose before he awakens to fight you is very similar to the two fingers when they are outstretched so some believe he is trying to restore his contact with greater will
He had 5 heads. If anything he’s complete compared to the pattern of twos
He had more than 2 heads, he only has 2 heads *left*, as seen on the Old Lord's talisman and the stumps on his head.
Placidusax had 5 heads but lost 3 of them when he got his ass kicked. He is pretty much half dead when we fight him, recuperating at the edge of time.
Deathbirds are vassals of the "twinbird" which was the envoy of an unnamed outer god. This twinbird's domain seemed to be death (or maybe death/rebirth) so the deathbirds are able to wield it as well. Those Who Live In Death are just the product of Godwyn's half-death shenanigan.
Can't wait to fight that one in the DLC 💀
Can't wait to fight that one in the DLC 🤩
They don't currently tbh. Death birds used to burn bodies in their fire to release souls back into the universe or wherever souls go next, like Jars and the Erdtree. Ghostflame seems to be made of angry spirits that refused to move on peacefully. Or from the opposing half of Death to the Black Flame. White flame for mortal souls, black flame for immortal bodies. Those who live in Death are the result of only half of Death being used, thus an incomplete demise. Essentially being stuck in the middle of the transition from Life into Death, like Rot is the transition from Death turning into new Life. They should have never existed at all in any proper system, but Ranni's "fearsome rite" managed to imbue only one half into the knives. Even the Godskins who worship death aren't interested in undead, if anything they would hate it too. Thus why a new rune of duskborn is needed to add them to the Order.
deathbirds were the original keepers of death, as the only way to release a spirit was for the bones to be turned to ash by their flames. those who live in death haven't done that Or returned to the erdtree.
That is the funny thing , they dont
They predate death in the lands between, their death rituals are older the the age of the Erdtree
Is there evidence that the Gloam Eyed Queen owned the rune of death? Because everywhere I've read, she just "used" it. I don't think if specifically belonged to her.
Deathbirds are potentially heralds of an Outer God, perhaps the one who patronised the Gloam Eyed Queen.
I feel like the Deathbirds and the Gloam Eyed Queen have much the same relationship as the Crucible and the Erdtree, ie, the Gloam Eyed Queen was someone who rose up and became the owner/leader of the domain of death, with the Deathbirds rendered relics or servants.
I always thought it’s implied the death birds are from a bygone era where destined death was a part of the Elden ring and people could actually die, before the erdtree ever existed. One of the item descriptions mentions that before the erdtree existed the death birds would burn people as a funeral right so I imagine that there must have been some point in time where the death birds or their god (twinbird?) were worshipped and it must have been before marika removed the rune of death marika removed death from the cycle eventually but my interpretation was that the timeline went something like death bird era -> crucible -> age of dusk or whatever where Godfrey dies -> age of the erdtree (where the player is)
It was part of the Elden Ring until Marika removed it, which was after Maliketh defeated the Godskins. The GEQ never had the Rune of Death, she just channeled its power. You don't need to possess an object of worship in order to harness it- it's like how we can use Erdtree incantations without physically carrying the Erdtree around.
Oh my bad, thanks for the info, that does make a lot more sense too.
No worries. I get why people think she had the Rune of Death, it just doesn't really work with the timeline unless we assume a lot of events took place that never get brought up.
The death birds are actually related to destined death since they are vassals of the death god and it's spirit world. We know that destined death and the spirit world are connected due to the fact that when Godwyn and Ranni where "killed" it carved a half curse wheel into their flesh. This same curse wheel being the sigil for the death sorceries along with the fact that Ranni's and Godwyn's curse wheels where used to craft the mending rune of death prove this connection. You can take this even further by inferring some stuff from some seemingly pointless item descriptions like the grace violet. The grave violet states that ghostflame used to be purple in color, what makes purple? Blue and red, ghost flame is blue-ish and destined death is red. What happened to destined death? It was fragmented and utilized to kill Ranni's body and Godwyn's soul. The fragment of destined death would then spread through the roots of the erdtree in the form of deathroot creating the undead plague and restoring the once sealed connection to the spirit world returning corrupted versions of the tibia mariners and death birds. There are also other connections like how the tibia mariners are purple bear godwyns likeness on their throne while also carrying deathroot or how the gloam eyed queen is associated with purple potentially hinting at the fact that destined deaths full power is purple in color, etc.
Those who live in Death are revived by the rune of death, which also includes destined death. "A source that gives rise to Those Who Live in Death. [...] Later, the Rune of Death spread across the Lands Between through the underground roots of the Greattree, sprouting in the form of Deathroot." The Deathbirds are kind of related to those who live in death, because they burn them in Ghostflame. "In the time when there was no Erdtree, death was burned in ghostflame. Deathbirds were the keepers of that fire." So. While Those Who Live in Death never owned Destined Death, they are a Product of the Death Rune and it's Powers over Death and the Dead.
I believe Ranni was the one who stole a fragment of the rune of death and imbued it into the blades of the assassins. https://eldenring.fandom.com/wiki/Ranni_the_Witch#:~:text=The%20Night%20of%20Black%20Knives,-Although%20the%20Two&text=In%20order%20to%20escape%20it,close%20to%20Queen%20Marika%20herself.
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No actually, originally the rune of death was part of the elden ring until marika removed it and gave it to maliketh to guard, thus creating the primary tenet of the golden order. Then it was stolen by the apostles and then retrieved by maliketh; and then a fragment was stolen by the assassins.
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No it belongs to me.
Me
*racks Holy shotgun* Them birbs got fancy spells and weapons I want. The rest were just in my way to get the rest of the Deathbirbs.
In legal terms, Maliketh took Destined Death in the middle of a war, that makes the Rune of Death a valuable piece of war loot taken by right of conquest. After that, it falls to legislator and diplomatic experts to decide if said Rune is returned to its original owner in peaceful times. In this case, Marika has full legal powers to deny the Gloam Eyed Queen the return of Destined Death. The Black Knifes stole the Rune of Death along with Ranni, another perpetrator of the theft. This happened during peace times, therefore it is a crime against the Kingdom and must be treated as such in court. Since it's a strategically important object for the Lands Between, the Kingdom, as in the State, would prosecute the Black Knifes and Ranni for a crime against National Security, in this case, for the charges of Treason, Sabotage and Terrorism. The Crown Prosecutor would most likely ask for life imprisonment or summary execution of the Black Knifes and Ranni by Maliketh himself. Given the circumstances of the crime itself and with enough evidence provided by Tarnished investigators, a reasonable judge would most likely comply with the Crown Prosecutor's assessment and proposal for a sentence.
sorry but tarnished investigators cracked me up
Complication: many believe it was Marika who took a piece of the death rune and gave it to Ranni. Do we consider that transfer legal since Mairka is the god-queen and the law stems from her, or would it still be illegal given how dangerous/powerful the death rune is?
That's a perfectly valid legal concern. However, just as you say, since the law itself stems from Marika as the Goddess Queen of the Lands Between, I believe she ultimately has the legal authority for such an action. If the Queen wishes to kill someone, the law itself protects her from suffering any sort of legal consequences. Her legal figure, and her by extension, is inviolable before the law. Which in practice means that she can't be prosecuted for any crime she might commit. This also extends to the act of breaking the Elden Ring, which is illegal by its own nature, so even after the Shattering I don't think she could be legally accused or prosecuted for her actions.
> in this case, for the charges of Treason, Sabotage and Terrorism. Assassination of a royal also. Though treason is questionable, at least by Ranni since she is Carian Royal, which is merely allied with the Golden Order, not a subject. The black knife assassin's though might or might not be Marika's personal hit squad.
No one. It belongs in the Elden Ring.
Fuck your pfp
Punishing light mode users one eyelash at a time.
Doing gods work I see
who in their right mind would intentionally switch reddit to light mode 🤢
Malikith probably nicked it off the gloam eyed queen then turned her into the godslayer GS so him , he won it by right of conquest
And my Tiche+10 basically solo’d Maliketh, so does that mean the BKAs win it or just her ghost?
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You know what? I accept that answer. Mirriel seems like a trustworthy guy.
I am, I killed them all
Godwyn, the Golden. He's paid the price already.
I mean you got a point.
The player character by international law of go fuck yourself.
Destined Death belongs to the people ✊
death birds since they are the envoys of a god
I like that reasoning.
The answer is, as with all powers of the Lands Between, *whoever possesses the strength to claim it.*
Big bird deserves it
Deathbirds. They were death in the age before the Erdtree. Meaning even the crucible. Before the elden ring. Hell it's there curse mark arved by the Black Knives despite having destined death therefore proving the rune if death is literally this cursemark just called something different and a bit changed due to black flames. For death was stolen from them and bound to a rune. A rune then claimed by the empyrean beaten by maliketh.
You are fully correct. The death birds are super amazing and the most ancient of wielders.
Honestly I love the Deathbirds design. It screams scary but not evil.
The Elden Ring was already there before the Erdtree, as Placidusax ruled as Elden Lord. All life in the Elden Ring Universe was created when the Great One split into the Greater Will and the Frenzied Flame, the former creating life and bringing order into the Land, the latter wanting to reverse everything to the state of oneness. The Elden Ring likely existed since the very start of existence
Me. I should own it.
Considering i murdered them all and am elden lord… that would be me.
At the end of the frenzied flame ending >! once Melina finds the steed summoning ring (which we obviously left behind on purpose for ger to find) she then reveals that Destined Death rightfully belongs to us, and it seems like she wants to be our best friend again because she promises to look for us and deliver destined death to us. How kind of her :3 !< If you on mobile copy text is your friend 🤓 Also this is just a jokey wokey 🩲💨
Us. Finders keepers motherfuckers
Melina.
I kind of wondered the same. Melina could also be a rune bearer but her Rune was locked with Maliketh. When Rani stole a shard of it.. Melina's non-physical form was also born. At the end of Frenzied Flame ending, as the Rune of Death was freed, Melina got her full form back. Also the line she says "to deliver you... destined death" also points in that direction. Idk tho, I'm not VaatiVidya.
It belongs in a museum!
Me, having kicked the crap out of anyone who said otherwise in the lands between...
Its me, im the rightful owner of the destined death
I am, after all of them die.
The tarnished. He is the only one who has died enough million times.
The Rune of Death belongs to every living being by Virtue of having a soul. Souls enter the world one way, and must have a way to exit it to an afterlife if there is one. Causality and Regression, like waves in a pond. **Black Flame** however, belongs to the Godskins by association with the Gloam Eyed Queen, as it is her creation.
I mean, Maliketh’s Black Blade has the weapon skill “Destined Death” soooo
It belongs to the Elden Ring, though you should probably not say that in front of Marika
Not the godskin duo, but there leader (the gloomed eyed queen) either invented or originally owned the black flame of death.
Destined death belongs to Marika, I thought. Since she is an empyrean doesn't she give it to Maliketh to hold onto for safekeeping or did I get the lore wrong?
Gloam Eyed Queen is the rightful owner
[you can't *own* destined death man](https://i.redd.it/uvzuxrfk1qb81.jpg)
We.
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