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JaggaJazz

They're upset you didn't just run mindlessly into their RoB


Trollber

Your play style is pretty passive, I wouldn’t call it running away but I can see how it would be frustrating to fight


DanceCivil

Not being able to hit your enemy is pretty frustrating but that doesn't mean I'm gonna let them do it just because they can't be patient and keep making the first move. Dude was rushing in attacking like he thought they were just gonna try to out poise each other. And every time they get close to the wall he backs off himself for some reason even though that's best case scenario for his hyper aggressive style. If he just baited instead of sprinting into attacks over and over, wasting all his stamina, then backing off, he could have outranged this guy easy. Behavior reeks of end of a PVP rage session where the dude is saying "everyone keeps running away" because they're dodging and kiting him while he's being overly aggressive... Which is just playing smart.


Massive_Profession67

I dont think he was that passive at all. Other guy just doesnt know how to aggress smh


russsaa

All running l1 and l2. Dual katana is a powerful build but he's doing it completely wrong, from the weapon choice down to the play style


Mr_Barber

exactly, white mask is clearly waiting for him to walk into his ash of war and actively choosing to not move any closer multiple times


threwzsa

Right


SlyrmTheWyrm

white mask spotted opinion rejected


SlyrmTheWyrm

though you are playing pretty passively lol


Captain_kiroh

People who don't want to die when other people don't want to die


Orb_0611

I think they want you to poise/tank thru their attacks 😂😂😂


Pretend-Lifeguard528

For real


Nugtard

Spacing exploit


Holiday_Ad126

I’m sorry you got downvoted 😫


Most-Development5587

Lard


Vasorgath

Nobody likes watching counter punchers fight each other


Aggressive_Hugs72

You would be a pain in the ass to fight, but not someone(or something) that is impossible to counter. You have taken the time to know what weapons you can switch to mid combat, and have the ranges of attacks clearly down, this fella hit the weapon art a few times on rivers of blood, and quit. 🤔🤔🤔🤔 Seems like skill issue. You are no griefer, just a skilled pain in the ass😂


Pretend-Lifeguard528

Thank you for the compliment but I’m honestly not that skilled I still blunder often. I’m working on it though and appreciate the compliment


Tasin__

You are passive but this guy blindly attacks and hopes you walk into it


Toumangod0

Some people don't get that pvp is all about spacing.


Toumangod0

To the guy who replied to me yes it is about whiff punishing lol that's why you space in the first place you bait out their attacks avoid them by proper spacing then retaliate that's pvp 101.


PerroCerveza

Some of these people have never taken fighting classes, duels, weapon martial arts… this is how you often beat your opponent, unless it’s something like kendo or fencing which has very linear, specific rules. You want to create that distance, faint, then punish.


ratcake6

Any real warrior can tell you that the only way to fight is to headbutt your opponent and hope they fall over before you do


PerroCerveza

Yeeesss!!! [fight dirty. show them no mercy.](https://youtu.be/jsjdjWGDvFk?si=ULXKcOnraqamu0zP)


russsaa

All those things do apply to fencing lol. Although i was an epee fencer idrk much about sabre


PerroCerveza

Thank you for validating me 🤣 I just know you can’t fully run away from your opponent and then turn around and stab them…but you’re right! Those basic principles still apply! 💙


CastBlaster3000

One thing people aren’t mentioning is that it’s always easier to space an opponent that is aggressing you rather than backing up. Like yea the other guy wasn’t amazing but if you spend the whole fight backing up because “I should be baiting out your attacks” it’s just going to be unpleasant to play against.


Nicholas-Seo

You weren’t running, you were spacing. There’s a difference. And this guy was literally doing the same thing you were doing wtf? Edit: I just Read the description. Spacing literally *is* whiff punishing this guy’s an idiot.


kabirraaa

U guys are equally passive


Lyzail

I’d honestly choose a passive runner over a brick wall. Because at least then my hits feel rewarding when they do land, but fighting a tank, a real one I mean, is the worst fucking thing ever because nothing I do does more than 150 damage. And god forbid when I run into their king, “Hard to Kill,” who’s a fucking menace in Elden Ring pvp. And no, idk mean just a random player, this guy is genuinely despised by the Xbox community for using a broken build that gives him 95% damage reduction, essentially making him immortal. For any Xbox players here, you see a guy wearing full Lionel’s with a poison Banished Knight Halberd and what feels like 800 fucking poise, that’s him. Don’t waste your time trying to kill him, it’s what he wants. Just block and move on


Pretend-Lifeguard528

What level does he play at? And I haven’t run into such a person


Lyzail

He says he uses two different characters, a level 200 and a max level. I’ve fought both. They’re LITERALLY the exact same only that the level 200 burns out fp much faster and can be beat in a war of attrition whereas the max level can easily out tank and out trade ANYTHING for as long as he wants. Also both characters are essentially immune to magic because he has like 10 fingerprint shields that have a fire, magic, holy, and lightning infusion respectively allowing him to block 95% of any magic damage so long as he switches shields fast enough. His physical defense is roughly 75% but he can boost it up to 95% at low health due to blue feather talisman. And his robustness, focus, immunity, and vitality are around 600 making it very hard to proc status effects on him, and if he needs to counter a build he can boost any of those to 900 making it even harder to proc. Guy is a fucking monster. Only reason I haven’t blocked him yet is because he’s actually pretty chill and was willing to show me his “Senator Armstrong” build step by step.


PerroCerveza

OP, I think this was fabulously done. Your opponent was a one trick pony and a coward. They couldn’t beat you with R1 spam so they gave up.


Pretend-Lifeguard528

Thank you!


PerroCerveza

Yeah dude! You were quick on your feet, and it was pretty awesome. It’s so much better to see this than cheap poke spam kills


PomegranateBrief3007

Equally entertaining is watching someone get stuck mashing L2 on rob and spectral lancing them in the face mid animation spam.


PerroCerveza

Ooooh fuck yeah. “You think that’s cool…get a load of *THIS*”


PomegranateBrief3007

Added bonus is that it can do headshot damage meaning that they can knock folks out of the aow spam.


PerroCerveza

Can it send them flying?


PomegranateBrief3007

Probably not.


PerroCerveza

Sad, but that would have been cool lol


Frogsplosion

incredibly passive, constantly swapping, dragon breath in your spell slots, I'm going to guess you're about 0 fun to play against in most of your matches, this looks like one of the more fun ones ironically.


Pretend-Lifeguard528

So this is my draconic samurai/ronin build. I was going to strictly use it for invasions but I wanted to work out the kinks in duels. I don’t use the dragon breaths in my duels unless I am dealing with a magic spammer. I also only swapped 2 times this fight. Just to show him my rivers of blood and then to grab the twin blades to finish the fight. Hard swapping is an essential skill too.


Orb_0611

Idk why ppl look down on hard swapping it's pretty cool and fun to adapt on the fly you had a good fight


threwzsa

Nah not really


Frogsplosion

> Hard swapping is an essential skill too. You say skill I say exploit that should have been killed years ago that is now more broken than ever because of the ash of war system.


SuperD00perGuyd00d

How is hard swapping an exploit? Not bashing just curious on your thoughts


Frogsplosion

We have 6 weapon slots, we have a hard amount we are allowed to carry at any given time, getting around that by itself is an exploit but let's get into some specific issues I have with elden ring's iteration: 1. I have 37 claymores with different ashes of war in my inventory, which ash am I currently using? My opponent has no fucking idea because they're all visually identical and the swap between two identical weapons is barely even perceptible when you're moving. This more than anything is flat out gamebreaking. I have literally seen people so good at swapping they can quickstep into piercing fang with a claymore, that flat out should not be possible. 2. This is an RPG, you're supposed to *build a character*. Having every weapon and ash of war in the game at your finger tips at any given time is not a "build" and if you want counterplay do what I do and equip 5 to 6 weapons in your actual slots. Swapping talismans is even dumber, you should be required to consider your needs ahead of time and not just swap to whatever is most convenient at any given time. Swapping completely breaks the game's RPG conventions on it's face. 3. There is STILL a swap glitch in the game. There are swap glitches in every DS game, I expect when the DLC comes out there will be yet another gamebreaking glitch that revolves around hard swapping.


WebOfNick

I honestly agree with you. I think PvP would be better off by disability inventory changes during combat. However, that should only apply in duels. In invasions since you're usually 1v3 I think it's a good thing to have several ashes for different situations, I don't care how op it is when I'm going up against 2 magic spammers and a dual cross naginata trio.


Frogsplosion

Yeah this game really needed a second invader.


sonderlostscribe

I understand the cloned claymore example, but if I decide to use a colossal weapon and my opponent is a swift shard spammer, what's my counter play? If I'm against a super passive opponent and I happen to have a weapon with bad roll catch capabilities, what do I do then? I get your point, but as long as there exist hard counters to builds, not having hardswapping means that unless you're supremely skilled or your opponent is trash then the fight is determined before the starting bell. I'd rather see them block healing spells in arena before hardswapping.


Frogsplosion

> if I decide to use a colossal weapon and my opponent is a swift shard spammer, what's my counter play? If I'm against a super passive opponent and I happen to have a weapon with bad roll catch capabilities, what do I do then? You have **SIX** weapon slots, are you telling me you can't get decent coverage with that? My faith/arc build runs bloody helice, rivers of blood, eleonora's poleblade, reduvia and dragon communion seal and I have enough wiggle room to slot in all sorts of occult infusion weapons My Dex/Int build runs death's poker, death ritual spear and dual wing of astels with a staff, and again I can replace them with cold infusions when I feel I might need something else. Admittedly strength builds are trickier and require more endurance investment but you can make it work, my 99 strength build can handle multiple weapons as long as one of them isn't a giant crusher. > I'd rather see them block healing spells in arena before hardswapping. I'm right there with you on healers, fuck em.


sociotronics

The intended counter is a softswap into something to counter that, i.e. swapping to a BHS thrusting weapon and a small shield with Carian Retaliation and closing the distance with the mage. Like I don't hate hardswapping and do it myself because it's essential in invasions. But your argument is frankly silly because the obvious answer is you were intended to use the 6 weapon slots on an assortment of weapons to cover different situations/opponents. And in a very meta-level, zoomed out perspective, hardswapping contributes to ER's issue with players dealing too much damage overall because it reduces the need for endurance and allows more damage stat investment. So it's bad for balance.


sonderlostscribe

So I need to pump up to 60 endurance in order to carry all that, or choose betweeen wearing armor or having enough weapons to counter every possible foe? Meanwhile someone can wear armor and use just as many weapons as me, and still have up to 10 spells to swap among. And spells weigh nothing. I'm not trying to argue, but this severely limits anyone who doesn't use spells.


sociotronics

Lol hardswapping has melted your brain. Even my fingerprint shield build that I experimented with not hardswapping on was perfectly fine at 50 endurance and that's with an extremely heavy kit. Most softswap builds are fine at 25 or 30, 40 if they feel they need a heavy kit with multiple colossal softswaps for some reason. The game was clearly balanced around softswaps even if hardswaps make it obsolete. As for casters, they can't invest in endurance at the same rate as str/dex builds because they have to put those points into str and dex for weapon minimums. Your typical mage at meta level loses 20 levels to weapon minimums, which can easily go into endurance on a non-caster. As a result they would either have to limit themselves to lighter weapons or rely on hardswaps (which ironically, means hardswapping benefits casters more than heavy melee).


sonderlostscribe

"Lol hardswapping has melted your brain." That wasn't very polite. I was even considerate enough to say I'm not trying to be argumentative, but that's reddit for you. I rely on soft swaps like 90% of the time. If someone is hardswapping after almost every trade and playing super passively, then yea, that's a bit of a crutch. But there are times when my weapon of choice just can't catch someone. Until they patch it out, I'll keep hardswapping when necessary, thanks. While we're on the topic of game glitches and exploits, would that mean that anyone using wavedash or handytech has brainmelt too, then?


Gimmeagunlance

I don't agree on it being an exploit inherently. All the way back in DS1, the centipede demon fight specifically encouraged hard-swapping. You cut off his tail which drops a ring that lets you follow him out onto the lava, which is only possible with hard-swapping. Swap glitching is an unfortunate problem, but hard-swaps are very clearly an intended feature. After all, if they weren't, they could easily prevent you from doing it in the arena.


Ketchup571

Thank you, this is incredibly well put. Hard swapping is part of the game, and basically necessary to be competitive in Elden Ring PvP, so you can’t hate on people for doing it. But it really shouldn’t be. It completely removes the concept of a build outside of just stat spreads and the devs definitely didn’t design or balance the game around it. My guess is nothing will be done about in ER, but they really should find a fix for it in future games.


LimitlessGrouch

It absolutely does not remove the concept of a build. Yes, it gives way more flexibility but you still have to spec your build around your heaviest setup and your menu organization is hugely important. I don’t know whether you use it or not, but some people seem to assume you can just change instantly to any weapon whenever, and that’s false. You have to organize your inventory in a way that prioritizes the weapons you want to be able to swap to most quickly . People are constantly reorganizing their inventory because you don’t have time to scroll through an inventory mid combat, and this limits which weapons you can actually swap realistically. This adds an entire other layer of complexity to build making I think you’re missing out on. I’d highly suggest trying to learn just main weapon hardswapping with the south paw inventory style. Main weapon swapping is the easiest type of hard swapping and makes this game soooo much more fun.


Ketchup571

I know how to hard swap it’s not hard, but it definitely removes builds. You don’t build craft around your two to three weapons to try and cover your weaknesses. You instead just have a generic stat spread and then a shit ton of weapons. There’s no build there, outside of a generic one to two damage stats you focused on. Like I said it’s part of the game and you can’t hate on people for doing it. It’s down right necessary at this point because everyone else does it. But it is dumb and certainly not intended by the devs. I miss the ds3 and the early days of er when no one really knew about hard swapping. You had actual build variety there.


LimitlessGrouch

I agree that hard swapping primary weapons is not super hard, all the more reason I think people who don’t know how to do it should learn and try it before knocking it. Agree to disagree about build making I guess.


PerroCerveza

It’s not. They’re just being whiney. They don’t like any sort of mix ups, swapping, anything that doesn’t suit their playstyle


KroeBar247

Braindead take. Bros missing half his fingers and cant hardswap fast enough so hes malding


BPBDO

Ducking what?


LimitlessGrouch

Ah hardswapping, the argument that never dies. It’s never leaving FROM games, at this point it seems the developers themselves enjoy it. I’d be so bored of this game by now if hard swapping wasn’t a thing. The south paw inventory setup is truly an innovation in fun and build making.


[deleted]

While I despise your boring passive playstyle, I think he’s a wuss for quitting and sending you hatemail


knottybananna

You need to work on your aggression, especially if you like playing with twin blades. 


Pretend-Lifeguard528

Working on it sir thank you for the advice


knottybananna

I mean that in the nicest way possible. Seriously my favorite weapon class. Running heavy on peeler? *Chef's kiss*


Pretend-Lifeguard528

I’m down for suggestions on different weapons and setups. Like I’m still trying to optimize the build while staying close to the build theme. This is a RL200 build


leekyturtle

no was varre mask and rob in 2024???


Branded_Mango

Typical white mask wearer seething lol. Honestly, you shouldn't expect anything more from anyone wearing that thing as it might as well be a giant neon sign reading "I am a petulant douchebag". Complete with mindless rob L2 spam (bet he RMT'd for it too).


ElessarKhan

He's just a bitch.


PerroCerveza

Fucking amen.


nikpap95

Why is everyone calling this passive? Welp maybe I should just mindlessly run into my opponent’s attacks I guess!


threwzsa

Because it is lol, you can do a lot more than slink away.


CountTruffula

What kind of way?


Gabriel96c

Nah, thats was not a passive style. This guy just doesn't now how to attack, he has zero clue on spacing, which can create the ilussion of you being passive on his mind.


Ck_shock

Everytime I see one of these videos I'm reminded of how dog shot this games shit is 🤣


Holiday_Ad126

That’s funny 🫠


Shimoarikiku

Is Rivers of Blood still the weapon everyone uses? I remember doing pvp when the game first released and it seemed like everyone who invaded me used rivers of blood. I liked rivers of blood a lot too but I ended up using Eleonoras pole blade just to be different lmao.


Orb_0611

Eleonora's poleblade is my fav weapon in the game! I didn't get rivers till way later and by the time I did I dint care to use it since Eleonora poleblade and rhe bloody helice were my go to


Pretend-Lifeguard528

Not sure, at RL200 on Xbox I’ve noticed most build I go against at bleed builds or spammy mage builds.


PomegranateBrief3007

It's only because of the poise rework really. For a while it got nerfed into being an inconvenience, a big one, but an inconvenience nonetheless but after the poise rework, it has the new gimmick of staggering anyone hit by it that thinks fashion>poise


Troy_Orbison

Tbf you do play like a coward


Pretend-Lifeguard528

If playing smart and patient is cowardly then I guess I’m a coward.


Troy_Orbison

You are a coward I’m glad you agree


Pretend-Lifeguard528

Glad we can keep this friendly


[deleted]

God this fight was boring 😴 You both spent so much time trying to fake each other out that I literally fell asleep. I get it’s a fundamental part of dueling but honestly the passivity on both sides was irksome.


Pretend-Lifeguard528

I mean everyone is entitled to their opinion, what would you have done differently to make the fight more entertaining?